Interviewer:  How're we doing here.
533:  Hey test one two three four five six seven eight nine One two three four {X} It does that sometimes. I don't know why. But it some of these mics pick up a little
Interviewer:  Okay well we were you were distinguishing for me yesterday between
533:  Hold on a second. Yeah. {X} Month or two ago and he told me that whenever he was a kid in grammar school that word was difficulties {C: pronunciation}
Interviewer:  You mean difficulties?
533:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Difficulties.
533:  Mm-hmm Difficulties. {C: pronunciation} And instead of English they studied elocution.
Interviewer:  Ah.
533:  You know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  So you know a lot of times we we use words like it around here you know listen hey you having some kind of diff- difficulty {C: pronunciation} you know?
Interviewer:  Right. {NW} Well my grandmother says that you know severe pain down here you call that an attack of. If you have your appendix out you might have an attack of.
533:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Oh you know. Sure if somebody had their appendix out they might have had an attack of?
533:  Appendicitis.
Interviewer:  Sure.
533:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  My grandmother said it was used to be quite normal. Quite uh common to call it pronounce it appendicitis. #1 You ever heard of that? #
533:  #2 Mm. No. # Where was she from though?
Interviewer:  Alabama.
533:  Yeah?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Everything's different in Alabama though.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  It's a nice night for a {X} #1 You know? #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. Okay. #
533:  Anyway what what were we doing?
Interviewer:  You were distinguishing between overpass underpass and viaduct.
533:  Oh yeah. Well like I like I was saying. Around here you know you tell a guy if he says where's the uh Chevrolet dealership you say well you go down to the to the stoplight. Well they say red light. Go down to the red light.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Uh you know it's also green and yellow but everybody calls it a red light. You go to the red light. Intersection eight and fifteen and uh go under one more red light. Then you'll go past. You'll go under the underpass.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  And uh that's that's what it is around here. It's an underpass. Viaducts is not used that much.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  In news stories it might be but uh
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Uh kinda like a communique you know people wouldn't know what you were talking about You know if you's at a news conference uh it'd be different you know?
Interviewer:  Right. True.
533:  Press release.
Interviewer:  Okay. We're talking about driving and cars in general. Could you tell me about some different types of parking that you do with a car?
533:  Well uh basically just a {NW} parallel parking. You know and um and I don't even know what you would call the other regular parking. Pull in and park next to the curb you know?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  #1 Does that all. With the curb right. Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 So parking with the curb where you parked would be parallel. #
533:  Right.
Interviewer:  Say in a shopping center where the stripes are kind of set at an #1 angle? #
533:  #2 mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard any name for that kind of parking? Where you just have to swing it in.
533:  #1 No. #
Interviewer:  #2 Not straight on? #
533:  Yeah I know what you're talking about. Where they if you're driving this way they're pointing this way? No.
Interviewer:  Angle parking or
533:  No. Never had a name. Just just parking place.
Interviewer:  Mm. Okay.
533:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What about perpendicular with the curb? You just come right on in. Any particular name for
533:  No. I've I've never had the occasion to park that way. No.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay. Let's say uh a place maybe in a larger town where you could park your car uh for a fee. You usually have to go up several levels
533:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  leave it there.
533:  Uh just a parking lot.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Even though it's a building?
533:  Right.
Interviewer:  Multi-level.
533:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Ever heard parking deck or ramp or
533:  #1 No. Mm-mm. #
Interviewer:  #2 garage? #
533:  Other than when I read it on the sign you know. Deck three. This kind of thing.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Uh
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh what would you call a a a very large office building? In a city? Maybe like Jackson or Nashville. Some place like that. One extremely tall. Anything in general?
533:  Well there's not enough of of that type thing uh in this neck of the woods to use the word skyscraper so it's just generally you know an office building. The Sillers Building the the Jefferson building you know the Wilson building. This kind of thing.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Would you ever call a very large apartment building a skyscraper?
533:  No. I don't think so. I when I think of sky scrapers I think of New York you know.
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  Um Hollywood really doesn't have I mean uh Los Angeles doesn't have that many
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  sky scrapers. Now Dallas you know
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  But but still that {NW} that's uh
Interviewer:  Not common.
533:  Not not common. Not a common word.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Do you have any kind of general name for a very large apartment building?
533:  Well uh Condominium. Everybody I think pretty much knows what that is. Um. Condominium uh in a sense. But to give you an idea. I know these two old gentlemen and one of 'em had never been out of the c- one of them's really not that old I mean uh Maurice was. They live in Tallahatchie County, Mississippi. He's about sixty now. But for a long time he'd never been out of the county you know. And he and this guy named {B} who had a son named {B} but anyway
Interviewer:  Oh no.
533:  Uh yeah. And everybody just called him Hickey. Uh hey Hickey. Well anyway #1 they they were #
Interviewer:  #2 Thought they were girls. #
533:  Yeah right? No they were too tall and ugly. But uh they uh these two gentlemen were going to um going to Jackson Mississippi one time and I the best I remember it was to see a friend of theirs that was in the hospital or something you know and so they got on the road and took out you know driving about twenty-five miles an hour you know. Took 'em all day long and all this kind of thing and they'd never been anywhere and neither one of them had ever been there. And so they had you know rode and rode and rode. And finally one of them said by golly I think we done passed Jackson. You know well anyway so there was this little black kid on the road about fifteen years old you know. They pulled over and stopped and you know rolled down the window and said hey boy you tell us where Jackson's at. He said yes sir say it'd be about thirty-five mile back yonder way you done gone past it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  And he looked out he looked across the car and he said hell I told you we done went past Jackson I told you I saw the Empire State Building.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  #1 You know. And they were serious man just just serious as cancer. Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Oh that's great.
533:  But uh you know apartment building. Office building. You know parking lot uh we probably leave the I-N-G off parking lot. You know. Parking lot. But um basically that's it you know uh
Interviewer:  What about high rise?
533:  No.
Interviewer:  Don't use that.
533:  Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Yeah. A passageway between office buildings downtown you just call that
533:  Alley. An alley.
Interviewer:  And what about a place in town maybe where a building's been demolished or burned and nothing's uh replaced it?
533:  Uh just a vacant lot.
Interviewer:  Sure.
533:  Mm-hmm. Vacant lot.
Interviewer:  Could you have something like that in a residential area? maybe a place where nothing's ever been built?
533:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Where kids might play?
533:  Yeah. Still considered just a vacant lot. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Say if you were in a public building like the courthouse and you were thirsty. You wanted a drink of water?
533:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  You would get that where?
533:  The water fountain.
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Would you call it the same thing if it were out in the open? Like in a park?
533:  Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. Same thing.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh what about some different names in general for as many kinds of cars and trucks that you know about? Nothing specific like Ford or Chevrolet but
533:  You know like sizes?
Interviewer:  Yeah. or
533:  You know like flatbed. Half-tons. Mm-hmm. Uh Four-bys. Stuff like that? Um. Generally. Probably uh some areas of the state are are of this state are more influenced by uh national advertising. You know than than what you might think. Uh some of your older people would use words like you know uh four-bys and stuff like that. But you know it's four wheel drive. You know. Or well of course a four-by or a six-by is you know a big truck you know. Like a national guard thing.
Interviewer:  Four-by?
533:  Uh you know a four
Interviewer:  Four wheel drive? I'm not familiar with that term.
533:  Well uh it that has been used you know. In other words you know a four-by-four. You know some people call 'em that. But uh generally I think that term uh like a four-by or a six-by uh deals with you know like I said like an army vehicle. You know with uh front wheel drive you know six wheels you know to haul soldiers. Uh a flatbed would be um for instance a pickup or well a little bit bigger than a pickup like a ton-sized truck. What they call a ton truck. With just a flat bed. With just a plank bed that you would haul your potatoes or whatever on you know or your hay. You wouldn't have any side planks or frame on the on the back part you know? And uh Uh one with uh a beam bed on it you know uh uh a metal bed to haul your soy beans to the mill that'd just be called a bean truck. You know. If you say bean truck everybody knows what you're talking about. Uh a bob truck um is a is another thing. Uh a lot of people call a bob truck a like a tractor. You know a tractor trailer rig without the trailer. You know {X} driving a bob truck. Bobbed truck. Runaround bobtail. And uh I I guess that's about all you know of course there's jeeps and things like that but
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  You know?
Interviewer:  What about these uh little trucks that you see more of nowadays that the drugstore or some sort of they might use it
533:  Mm. Like a delivery truck. Yeah. This this'd be a delivery truck.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  You wouldn't call it a courier or anything like that I don't believe or a dray. Just a uh dray would actually be what it is you know in technical terms but uh in a sense. But um just a delivery truck. Delivery wagon.
Interviewer:  Sayings that are pretty popular {NS}
533:  Watch the chair. {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah. That uh. Well people have them customized. They
533:  Mm. Yeah. Like a van?
Interviewer:  Sure.
533:  Yeah. Just a van. You know. Bobby Lee got him a new van. No kidding. What's it look like? You know well it cost fourteen thousand dollars so you know it's pretty sharp you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah right.
533:  Ridiculous.
Interviewer:  Is there any difference between a van and a panel truck?
533:  Well panel truck was the old connotation. I used to call 'em panel trucks. But that was uh back when uh Chevrolet and G-M-C used to make well Ford made some too back in fifty-three and fifty-four you know. And um um it was the same idea as a van. You know of course it would the roof uh the ceiling had no uh headliner in it you know. It was just a big hot hole.
Interviewer:  Mm.
533:  It was hell to ride in too I tell ya. Uh my uncle had one. It was just his old panel wagon. You know. Panel truck. Panel wagon. And uh. No. I don't think uh anybody would call it a panel truck anymore. I think if you said panel truck now uh I doubt if anybody'd even know what you're talking about.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Now ten years ago they would have.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  But you know not now.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay. What about general types of cars? Like maybe according to the how many doors it has or
533:  Well uh it's I think now uh I mean just in my association out uh talking to people you know it's four door. You know uh not so much as who I believe my wife asked me what a sedan was
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  the other day. Uh somebody was advertising something like uh you know they put all these garbage advertisements you know buy a a Grenada Ford. You know sedan model of this that and the other for forty-two hundred dollars you know? You go to the Ford place down here and it's seventy-three hundred you know because they happen to put hubcaps wheels and wind shields on it you know? Wipers and seats. But anyway um she said uh and sh- my wife is very plain spoken she'll just come right out and say What the hell is a sedan anyway? You know she just uh she talks real soft you can't hardly hear her. And I got to trying to explain what a sedan was and I've realized that maybe I wasn't really sure that I knew. But uh it's a four door. It we don't talk about hard tops so much anymore. Um you know the hard top model. The no post in the window model you know?
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  It's um it's a four door Ford. Or a four door Chevy or uh you know an Olds or whatever. You know.
Interviewer:  Mm. Yeah.
533:  And uh
Interviewer:  You ever see the type of car that you could uh you know lift the top all the way back?
533:  Um yeah let me see what you're not talking about a convertible you're talking about like uh that Ford Crown Victoria they had in fifty-seven that had the hard top on it but you could take that hard top off. Is that what you're talking about?
Interviewer:  I was really talking about a convertible.
533:  Oh a convertible? Yeah.
Interviewer:  Sounds interesting.
533:  Oh. #1 Yeah you know uh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # convertible crown?
533:  Yeah it was it was a hard hard top convertible is what it was. It had a real um hard sh- hard shell top on it kinda like a Corvette but you could take that top off you know. And I believe it was a Ford Crown Victoria. Something and other. Funky color. It was a pea green and black you know. That kind of stuff.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  They made a couple in fifty-eight and a very few in fifty-nine. Um that had a name too but I can't remember. For the life of me I don't know what {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what about a car that's uh good for large families? #1 It has the tailgate. #
533:  #2 Mm. # Now wagon. Station wagon.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard any slang names? Or joking uh derogatory names for very large uh expensive maybe pretentious automobiles?
533:  Uh douche wagon. You mean something like that you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Yeah. Mm-hmm. Uh
Interviewer:  Why would it be called that?
533:  Be- well I think basically because it uh I heard that from a guy in Nebraska. Never heard that around here. I have a friend of mine. Nebraskan. And um you know it's got everything in it but a douche bag. You know? That was his you know
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
533:  #2 calling it the douche wagon. Uh #
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  Uh not really. You know just big shots. Big shot cars and things like that. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Anything that # maybe that had anything to do with the energy crisis the fact those things burn a lot of gas?
533:  Oh hog. Gas hog. You know. Sweat hog. Uh sweat hog though is when there's no air conditioner.
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  Uh but you know. Gas hog. Gas drinking. You know.
Interviewer:  Pimp mobile.
533:  Well you don't hear that too much. You might hear it in uh you know some circles but not too much. But that's uh there's a lot of pimp mobiles around when you get to talking about the caddies with the uh or the deuce and a quarters. Which is a Buick electric two twenty-five for all you dealers out there. uh You know with the extra heavy padded uh what do you call it vinyl top you know and uh coon tails hanging from it you know and
Interviewer:  White sidewalls.
533:  You know the yeah the fourteen inch white sidewall tires you can't see the hubcaps.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  And you know fourteen antennas hanging off of it you know and no radio whatsoever in it. #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
533:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Say if uh you were flying in to to Jackson. What about some transportation that you might get from the airport?
533:  You'd have to get a lease car. um Rent a car. Lease car. Probably probably rent a car.
Interviewer:  Any kind of transportation that the airport might provide?
533:  Well uh limousine service. Shuttle service. Uh which a lot of people call scuttle service {D: by the time they bounce there}
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  But uh but a limousine service. And uh the first time I ever used a limousine service I thought you know there's limousine service available to the uh Conrad Hilton you know? And I thought damn I'm not gonna ride a limousine. It costs fifty bucks. You know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
533:  But um no I'm sorry wasn't in {NW} Conrad Hilton it was in uh uh Hollywood Florida but that's where I thought you know because all these people getting off you know they had on forty-nine ninety-five neck ties you know? And there I was and uh course I was doing my best to look the part but um when I they said limousine I thought jeez you know. You know Aldo Moro is gonna come by and pick us up you know? Uh but it was a it was a panel wagon I mean you know it was a van and you know we got in there and {NW} sound
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  But uh limousine service. You know. Uh I thought you were talking about you know if if you had to land in Jackson and drive to Vicksburg or something like that you know.
Interviewer:  Mm.
533:  Be more or less of a rental car.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about kinds of uh. Do you have any public transportation here like that?
533:  No. Not here. Um they have gotten some in some parts. Tupelo and over there have the Lee county transit authority but uh uh Jackson is not even uh as heavy with it as places like Memphis you know. City bus lines and things like this you know. Just catch a bus. {C: thump}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. I have some parts of a car. What would you call the {NW} where you have all the instruments of your car like speedometer uh #1 Clock. Whatever else. #
533:  #2 Well # instrument panel's probably the right word. But it's a dashboard.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Dashboard. You got a dashboard and a floor board. Now a lot of this stuff uh you won't find out of a lot of people around here. More as much as you will me because like I said it uh lot of people you know grew up closer to town than I did but it's a dashboard and a floorboard.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Uh my dad used to tell me keep your feet off the dashboard.
Interviewer:  #1 Right. #
533:  #2 You know. # And if I say dashboard now my kids get to looking for a plank in the floor you know? uh
Interviewer:  What about the thing usually all the way up on the right that uh has a little latch or lock? Put things in it?
533:  Oh.
Interviewer:  Maps or #1 something #
533:  #2 car pocket. #
Interviewer:  Mm.
533:  Glove compartment.
Interviewer:  You ever keep gloves in it?
533:  No.
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  I never owned but one pair of gloves. And that's when I had a dune buggy you know?
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  Um {NS} car pocket.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  And uh the part that you put the spare tire in back there where it came from I don't know but a lot of people call that a turtle.
Interviewer:  A turtle?
533:  A turtle in the turtle of the car.
Interviewer:  Heard it called a cooter hole?
533:  No. Never heard it called a cooter hole. Heard of Cooter Brown.
Interviewer:  A what?
533:  Cooter Brown. You know Drunken Cooter Brown. It's just an old saying you know.
Interviewer:  Ah.
533:  I saw Jane Lee uptown and someone's drunker than Cooter Brown you know
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  Uh
Interviewer:  {X} get drunk?
533:  Yeah just slap-legged knee-slapping you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  Rubber-legged.
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  But uh yeah they call that a turtle.
Interviewer:  Alright.
533:  Man you know it's a trunk.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Uh li- what a what #1 what do the other people #
Interviewer:  #2 There's something going there because # cooter hole a lot of people use the word cooter to mean turtle.
533:  {X} I don't know. No I we called it a turtle until I was you know half-grown.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Yeah keep it in the turtle of the car. And everybody knew what you was talking about you know? And I got to thinking one day why why are you calling it a turtle? I guess because it's the part that's always behind. You know dragging along behind. But a trunk.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay.
533:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What about the thing that you press down to make the car go faster?
533:  Gas pedal. Accelerator. But gas pedal basically.
Interviewer:  And the thing up on the column that you use to change gears?
533:  Shift.
Interviewer:  Would it make any difference what you called it if it were say in the floor
533:  Mm not really. Just uh might change the connotation a little bit. Stick you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Move the stick to the D position. But um shift lever.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about these things. I don't know if you have any in town but sometimes around parking lots. These little elevated things that force you to slow down otherwise you'll shake
533:  Speed breakers.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Yeah we used to have a lot of fun taking those up.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
533:  Yeah you know.
Interviewer:  You mean for a prank?
533:  Uh well just because uh well this was back in the days when I was sixteen or seventeen. Paying for my own car. Paying the insurance. Trying to keep the wheels lined. You know and the tires on it that I spun off. People don't peel off like they used to and squeal off like they used to. You know? For good reason. I was looking at a brand new seventy-eight uh Ranchero the other day with a four barrel and a four hundred engine. Sucker was some kinda tough. Took it out on the road stomped it all the way to the floor and it ain't thrown up a rock yet.
Interviewer:  Well.
533:  And I went down to the used car place and they had a seventy-one Ranchero with a three-fifty-one uh Cleveland engine. And no it wasn't a Cleveland. It was a Windsor. Which ain't supposed to be as hot as the Cleveland. Took it out on the same road mashed it to the floor and it didn't quit spinning until it came out of gear and went into seventy miles an hour you know? So but you know people don't peel off like they used to but anyway I was I was um you know paying for my own car and you you go around uh the mug which is the local hangout you know like the A and W that Jesse Winchester sings about.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah right you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  And uh uh you hit a speed breaker.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  You know? Speed. And it {C: thump} just. It'll knock your wheels out of line. Especially you know in the days of mag wheels and
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  chrome reverses and baby moons. It'll knock your baby moons off.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  And it would uh if you hit it hard enough it'd knock your fender skirts off. Or drag your mud flaps off and this kind of thing you know? So yeah you know it's a just might as well go to the house.
Interviewer:  Sure.
533:  And uh so you know we'd arranged for a guy to have a flat and park across that thing and we jack his car up and take a sledgehammer and a and a chisel. And uh or a wedge really. And and knock it loose and load it up in the back of his car and take it home.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  You just and right break it up in pieces.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Public service.
533:  Yeah. Speed breakers though.
Interviewer:  Right okay. What about this thing uh that I had around here that I had wrapped around my microphone you know well this thing?
533:  #1 What? #
Interviewer:  #2 Right here? What would you call #
533:  Oh. Rubber band.
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  Uh.
Interviewer:  What about the little metal wire thing that you use to hold papers?
533:  Paper clip.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  {D: Mm-hmm.}
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called anything else?
533:  Mm. Possibly but I have
Interviewer:  Gem clip?
533:  No.
Interviewer:  {X} Okay. Alright uh Again talking about vehicles. What about some different kinds of vehicles used by the fire department and the police department?
533:  I just. It's a firetruck. Firetruck.
Interviewer:  That's just a general term
533:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  for any kind?
533:  It's a firetruck.
Interviewer:  Mm.
533:  Uh you know if you're out on a highway and you know you're telling somebody about it. It's an emergency vehicle. You know?
Interviewer:  Hmm. Yeah.
533:  A ten thirty-three you know but {X} It's it's a firetruck.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  The guy that calls on the fire line. That's. We have a volunteer fire department. And it's been cited to be the best in the south. Several times.
Interviewer:  Here is in {X}?
533:  Mm-hmm. And uh some beautiful equipment. Got uh about you know two of the newest best trucks you can buy. A couple of uh well one three quarter ton pickup and a small pickup and a volunteer fire department and the way that works is whenever the fire alarm sounds uh we have uh we have three men on duty at all times. Uh I mean not on duty but they alternate on shifts. Eight hour shifts you know.
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  And uh he's the fire marshal. Or whatever you wanna call it of the town. You know. The fire chief. And he'll answer the fire phone and he'll punch a little button and it'll make a recording and it says you know and this is the way he talks. There's a car on fire. Down there by the west end grocery store. And it it just repeats you know. It's a repeating tape. And everybody that's on the volunteer fire department their phone rings. Uh a real quick little {NW} And you answer it and this thing is constantly telling you in case you pick up in the middle of it or something you know. It's uh car on fire you know John Smith's house. And uh so everybody just hops in their vehicles. Turns on their red lights. And you know drives to John Smith's house. Hops in their you know their hot suit. Puts their boots on and goes in there and fights the fire. You know. Because by that time the trucks are already there. You know and they hook up. You know it's fantastic. It's amazing.
Interviewer:  Sounds like it.
533:  But uh it's a it's a firetruck. And a lot of people that's the way of saying it.
Interviewer:  So you don't make a distinction say if it's a truck that pumps water or
533:  #1 No. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. #
Interviewer:  #2 or one that has ladders? # You don't say pumper truck?
533:  No. It's a. If you see it coming it's a firetruck.
Interviewer:  Or hook and ladder?
533:  No.
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen the type that's designed to fight fires in uh
533:  In buildings? Yes. Right. Well well one of these one of these is you know you can you can hook the boom and bucket to it. Yeah. Well it's just a
Interviewer:  Just a firetruck.
533:  Just a firetruck you know?
Interviewer:  What about snorkels? Are you familiar?
533:  Nah. A snorkel to me is what you put on your {NS} face when you go in the water and wanna breathe you know?
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  Yeah? {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh what about this type of thing that uh you see going to {D: pump} in a cardiac case? Maybe a van that's wood-paneled?
533:  That's just a it's just an ambulance.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Mm-hmm. You know.
Interviewer:  You have anything like that?
533:  Uh we have 'em and uh you know they're they're equipped with everything now uh we have I can't think of the real name of it but it's some type of it's an ambulance service you know and people on duty at all times. And they have all of the C-P-R equipment and everything in there you know uh. But of course you don't need equipment for CPR except two people right? One in some cases. But I mean they have everything in there to to keep you in as good a shape as possible until they get you to the hospital.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  But around here it's just an ambulance. Uh colloquially it's a meat wagon. Bone wagon. You know. But it's it's an ambulance.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay. If the fire chief drove to the fire he'd probably drive up in what would you call that?
533:  Mm. Nothing in particular. He'd probably be in the firetruck.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
533:  #2 Yeah. {NW} # He's he's gonna be the first man there you know?
Interviewer:  Right. Wouldn't have the chief's car?
533:  No. Uh-uh. No. Mm-mm. We're we're not that aristocratic. You know whatever.
Interviewer:  Okay. Just in general what about the cars that the police drive? What would you call that?
533:  That's police car.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Mm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Anything like cruiser or
533:  Nah.
Interviewer:  Oh. That sort of thing.
533:  Nah. Paddy wagon no. It's just a just a police car.
Interviewer:  The paddy wagon. What is that?
533:  Uh well that would be the one you know that that if they had to pick a guy up you know and put him in the. You know you've seen 'em on the TVs you know where they the SWAT team has to bring in a a you know a local idiot you know and they put him in the paddy truck you know so he can't get out.
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  Uh Paddy wagon #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
533:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 What about this uh # flying uh vehicle with the rotary blade. What do you call that?
533:  Uh that's helicopter.
Interviewer:  Any other names? Besides
533:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 helicopter you might use? #
533:  Chopper. You know? But basically a helicopter. You know? Actually it's a gyro. Yeah if you wanna be technical. But anyway uh
Interviewer:  Is that the blade?
533:  That's uh you know there's gyrocopters {D: in on this that and the other but it's a} it's a helicopter. You know.
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  Hoppy clopter I mean everybody's got their own little thing you know but.
Interviewer:  Right. And you call the man who fights fires that's uh
533:  Uh it's fireman you know.
Interviewer:  Any joking or derogatory terms you've ever heard for firemen?
533:  Hmm. No.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about the man who enforces the law? That's
533:  Ah that's the fuzz. You know cop.
Interviewer:  And when you say fuzz how would you mean that? You mean that jokingly?
533:  Yeah that's you know you know you know here comes the fuzz. You know that's just kind of a well you know the old joke is one hippie asks the other you ever been picked up by the fuzz for doing that and he said no but I bet it hurt like hell you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  Uh
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  No that was just. That that that kind of went out with you know pig and fuzz you know and all of that but eh. Pig never did get too big around here because you'd somebody's slap you you know if you said watch out here's the pigs you know?
Interviewer:  So that was definitely an insulting term?
533:  Yeah it was you know. but I don't know. It shouldn't have been. Pig is one of the smartest animals in the world like we discussed about eating out of the slop bucket. You know. Yesterday. Uh but you know the fuzz. The cops. The you know the heat is not really used around here that much you know. But he's a cop. And I always probably figured that was derogatory. You know? Until I heard one say me and this other cop you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  He said it that way and I thought well you know. Not so bad. It's like saying me and another nigger. You know uh.
Interviewer:  {NW} If you're saying it yourself it's not derogatory you know and uh. Because around here uh There's a there's a good deal and I it's probably the same everywhere. I know in some parts of the country it varies. But there's a lot of uh you know your Anglo-Saxon four letter words you know. Get the damn car out the way you know. And you're just kidding. I mean you know you don't mean it seriously and uh now somebody else say that to you other than a friend you know you probably bop his brains out you know? Clobber him. But uh you know that's that's just part of {X}
533:  Yeah it's just a stand up where you know uh teachers used to tell us it's because you you don't have enough brain to think of the real word you wanna use so you substitute that you know. And I said well hell you're probably right.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
533:  #2 you know. # But uh
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  This
Interviewer:  Since you mentioned it uh used the word of nigger why
533:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  when you used it you said by yourself is it a completely neutral term?
533:  Well you know uh it's it's derogatory to a sense. Like uh you know somebody might say redneck. But no I've heard uh you know blacks when they you know fussing with each other. I mean I you can be uptown not often but now and then and you hear a mother say I I'm gonna whoop me some little nigger soon as I get him home. You know?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  And uh and I've heard 'em call each each other you know that.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  You know? But uh I think it's mostly just a consciousness. You know? And uh that you you wouldn't say nigger you know To a nigger. You know unless you know we're just real close friends but then he'd probably turn around and call you one too you know?
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  Uh and the word honky is not really that offensive you know. But uh
Interviewer:  For white?
533:  Yeah. You know. What the heck? You know? Proud to be an Okie from Muskogee that uh you know uh
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Uh blacks. You know I mean uh you know when some of them that works here you know we talk and I say {NW} and there's a lot of difference in um in some things like the way they do their funerals and stuff like that you know. A guy dies on Saturday you know they bury him the following Sunday. You know I mean not not this Sunday but I mean eight days away you know? And there's an always an old joke where they um they well they embalm him and put him in a freezer you know and let him lay there. Because the reason for that I guess is to let all the kinfolk that done moved up North rent a car and drive down here and look impressive. See? Uh they do that. You know?
Interviewer:  They do up these funerals pretty.
533:  Oh man yeah they well uh they you know they get together on Saturday night. Look at the body for an hour you know and then get drunk and have a party. {NW} Oh what the hell I mean you know and really you should it According to the Bible it should be a celebration you know? Going on to better things but you know us white folks we have to sit around and squall you know and all of that. And we talk about I'm I'm pretty open pretty realistic about stuff like that and I you know I I say something a lot of people go God don't talk like that I say look when I'm gone I don't care you know I mean put me in a pine box zip it up and chunk me off in a river. I mean I don't really care. I'm not gonna I mean you know I don't need that junk you're throwing away. If I did I'd take it with me. And uh you know my see it doesn't really matter. You know when you're gone you're gone and uh you know. Wherever you're going you're gonna be there. You know pretty fast and uh but you know they you know they tend to play on people's sympathies. Especially in this part of the country you don't have uh you seldom hear of a cremation. I think uh once in the last five years I've heard of somebody you know being cremated but they usually do that somewhere else and uh you know unless you know if you drown or burn or get mutilated bad in an accident they won't uh you know look at the body. But otherwise you know a guy just dies they you know glue him up and fix him up and he looks pretty and he lays there and everybody walks by and sheds a few tears and uh you know yeah that's P-U-R-D-Y. Pretty. {NW} But uh {NW} anyway that's I don't know I like I said I get off on some weird tangents. #1 {D: It's a problem.} #
Interviewer:  #2 You mentioned # honky. Are there any other joking or insulting terms that blacks might use in reference to the whites that you
533:  Well peckerwood used to be one. Uh you know I had a little black guy call me peckerwood one time I you know I just thought peckerwood. Well must be like nigger you know? Uh but not really.
Interviewer:  Cracker?
533:  Nah.
Interviewer:  Redneck?
533:  Yeah redneck. Whitey. I call some blacks redneck. You know? They do something silly you know and I say ah come on redneck.
Interviewer:  What exactly would you mean by redneck?
533:  Uh redneck is uh is a term strangely enough that came from in my in my best ascertainment the word came from somewhere like Virginia. Up in there. You know? Uh where you got you know some definite you know shifts you got some definite changes in population you got you got metro areas and uh and uh you've also got you know out in the country like Waynesboro and Staunton and Stuarts Draft and places like that you know. And uh redneck uh in a sense now is used as a proud you know a proud term like hillbilly you know people are proud to be hillbillies because they know what it's like to eat pork and beans and you know turnip greens and sowbelly and uh yeah I'm proud of the way that I grew up. And I guess everybody is. And uh well we still call people from the North Yankees. People that talk you know you know they have a little {D: brog} you know and they talk like this? Uh they're Yankees. You know they don't know what corn bread is. They think it's cake.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
533:  #2 You know # they pour molasses on it and uh and uh syrup or something weird. That's a Yankee.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  And uh I don't I don't think that they uh refer to us as rebels.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
533:  Uh necessarily but you know hell they're Yankees and they just can't help it you know?
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  And uh
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah. But I don't think uh I I can't think of a term that you know that a black would use
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  You know.
Interviewer:  What about whites that uh aren't too well off? Maybe haven't had much of a chance at education. But more importantly are kinda lazy.
533:  Don't care. Sorry. Yeah sorry. That's not sorry. Like you would be if you stepped on my foot. That's sorry.
Interviewer:  Sorry as in
533:  Yeah just sorry. And uh scum. But basically sorry.
Interviewer:  You ever hear of white trash around here? Poor white?
533:  Uh not so much. Uh because uh well there's a lot of white trash you know in your five story in your five story houses driving four Cadillacs and you know driving sixty miles to the daycare centers you know.
Interviewer:  So you mean
533:  It's a different
Interviewer:  something to do with it feels moral?
533:  Well it's a little bit more moral than it is uh uh you know the fact whether or not he takes a bath three times a day. You know? uh because uh you know that old saying anybody can afford water. You know and uh so the uh the dirty part is really not you know. Now uh nowadays the way I see this thing is uh I mean hell if anybody wants to be clean and look decent they can. And if they don't want to then they're sorry.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Uh it's not a matter of oh we just can't afford it because everybody can afford it I mean you know the people sitting at home doing nothing uh so what if they got ten kids that they have to feed? It's not coming out of their pocket. You know. Like it like it was at one time.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  You know. And even back in the fifties if people just wanted to they could have got commodities. They call 'em then. It was the same thing as welfare. They brought around dried cheese. Dried eggs. You know had peanut butter in a gallon bucket and this kind of thing. But um
Interviewer:  Is trash a white people's term or blacks be just as likely to use that?
533:  {NW} Uh yeah about the same. They they would use it about the same. You know because you know trash is trash. Black or white. Indian. Dago. Chicano. Spic.
Interviewer:  What's a dago?
533:  A dago? {NW} Well hard to say. A lot of people have different ideas of dago. Uh in my opinion it's something like uh uh that that that was created back uh that's what you see on T-V most of the time. Dagos. And we were talking the other day. I said I'm so damn tired of turning on the T-V and all you see is dagos and niggers. You know and I'm not being derogatory because I love basically all people. I don't trust anybody but you know I mean they all have their place in the world. And but what I mean is you know your your people like you know on your Kotter show you know. Yeah. Um Epstein you know. He's a half breed of some sort. Nobody really knows what. It's it's some {X} and maybe a little bit of a you know uh I don't know. Jew. You know he's got some Puerto Rican he's got some uh you know this kind of stuff. He's a dago. And I don't know what. Nece-
Interviewer:  Would that be a derogatory term for Italian?
533:  Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah now Charlie {D: Deshara} went to school uh went to college with me and uh he was a dago. {D: But Deshara} that's Italian right? I think so. And uh you know little bitty short stumpy black-haired guy you know? Dark skin big nose you know? And uh if you really wanted just to kill him {D: it's alright} dago shut the door you know. And it's derogatory. It is like calling you nigger. You know?
Interviewer:  Is a spic Italian or?
533:  Uh no a spic would be uh you know like a south of the border. You know. Jerry Ortega. Gerardo Ortega. Hernando uh Alvarez they were spics you know? A chink uh. You know. The Chinese type. It's a difference in the eye formation you know? {NW} Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  But anyway you know uh a a dago would be something like a don't ever let anybody hear these tapes I may be calling names they hear. No. Uh you know like {B} Um like a {B} and Charlie's a super guy. Love him. He's a good fellow. But I mean you know that's that's kinda what it is. Um and like you know these these Italians you know.
Interviewer:  What about uh people from the country? Sometimes when they come into town they might be made fun of.
533:  Eh hicks.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Yeah hicks.
Interviewer:  Do you ever hear anything instead of hick?
533:  Uh well it all would amount to about the same thing. Hicks. Hillbillies.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
533:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  Country hoosier Do you ever hear
533:  Nah country hoosier that's a that's an Oklahoman term I think I best I can figure.
Interviewer:  What about the word podock does that mean
533:  Yeah podock holler. You know that's kinda like plum nearly. You ask a guy where he lives and he don't know you and he say I live plum nearly. Say what do you mean? Well uh plum out of Chickasaw and down near out of Calhoun you #1 know. Something like that. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
533:  Uh yeah podock holler. {NW} That that that's kind of a reference to you know right out there where the Earth fixing to square off and if you go any further without making a U-turn you'll fall off into the {D: ether} you know?
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  Uh but uh yeah podock holler. Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What about a working class white man? What would he call the man who works for? That's his
533:  Hmm that's his boss. You know. My boss.
Interviewer:  Would it be any different for a working class black man?
533:  Well not so much is is what you would call a working class now. You know there's none of this master business you know? Mm.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard any terms of address blacks would use
533:  Oh yeah. Captain.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Yeah. Captain. Yes sir captain. Mm you know I mean I call some of them captain. You know? Um
Interviewer:  That wouldn't necessarily be some an employer though?
533:  Uh not especially. You know you just meet him on the street. You know how you doing Joe? Doing fine captain how are you? You know that's just uh uh I don't know respect joking uh just something to say you know it's like how you doing? You doing all right? Well yeah you know and of course they know you're lying. You're dying of cancer. But I mean you know. It's just something to say.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. What about a child that's born to racially mixed parents? What would you call him or any names you've heard?
533:  Well {NW} course bastard I guess would be the term because nobody'd claim him you know?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  But um. Half-breed. You know. Uh according to how white he was he might be an albino.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  Um high yeller.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  You know if he's real light colored. I don't know where they got high yellow. Uh I mean you're yellow low yellow and high yellow is yellow you know? But you know he's a high yeller. You know?
Interviewer:  Do you ever hear hear the the term bright used to describe a black that's uh especially light colored skin?
533:  Blacks? Yeah they would use that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  And he's kinda light. You know. You know him.
Interviewer:  Bright?
533:  No. Light more so than bright. You know. They might say he's got bright eyes you know. Bright hair. Instead of you know {NS} red hair but you know I get talking to them sometimes they say hey you know {B} and I say uh well I know Eddie and Joey. See that Steve but he's kind of a light one you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  And I almost want to say wonder where he got that light #1 you know? #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
533:  Do like a. Who is {D: Godfry.} {B} Yeah you know they took a bath in milk for a year you know and like they turned white.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  You know that? #1 You know? #
Interviewer:  #2 No. #
533:  Yeah he put himself in a cast and all that. Well anyway
Interviewer:  Whatever.
533:  But there's a lot of 'em around that that somehow are getting light. You know there there's some type of formula they're rubbing on. #1 You know? I don't know what it is #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
533:  but I mean it seriously you know that
Interviewer:  Oh that's weird.
533:  It's weird.
Interviewer:  Well what about
533:  Like I keep trying to tell them. Look you don't want to turn white. You're gonna have to start to work. You know.
Interviewer:  {NW} What about mulatto or quadroon {X} any of that?
533:  Nah. I mean I've heard it used in like a you know anthropology or sociology. You know. Discussions. Things like that. But
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  Yeah but you know {NS} my daddy still don't believe they went to the moon. You know what I mean? So you couldn't talk to him about a quadroon.
Interviewer:  See this movie that's out now. What's it called.
533:  Yeah I saw the uh the advertisement. I told Janie my wife I said I'm gonna have to get daddy to go see that because you know he said well whenever they first went he said son oh he was sitting there ah hell you know kept up letting him smoking his camel reading the paper and I said Daddy don't you believe that? He said son when I was twelve years old I could pay eleven cents and go see flash Gordon walk all over Mars. He said hell if they could do it then they can do it now you know?
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  So anyway uh
Interviewer:  Sure. You mentioned the the word bastard. Would you ever use that to mean an illegitimate child?
533:  Well uh yeah. You know I mean if I was in a serious discussion with somebody. You know if you get to talking and they say hey do you know about old you know Leroy? Uh and I'd say well I know he's a bastard if that's what you mean. You know that way. But I mean you know uh a guy you know throws a bottle out in your yard you know riding down a road you you hey you bastard you know it's a it's like son of a bitch you know?
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  Some of these others uh
Interviewer:  True.
533:  Uh your {NS} reverend professor is probably going to get you about this tape huh? But anyway uh you know that's that's a that's a term you know just like any term like that is.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard any other terms besides bastard to mean the same thing?
533:  No. I don't think so.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  #1 Nah. #
Interviewer:  #2 Nah. # {D: child}
533:  Nah.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Nigger in a woodpile.
Interviewer:  You're right.
533:  That kind of stuff. Yeah. Well that's that's get uh yeah I've heard that used before you know. I've used it myself. I have of course in some cases I use it white man in a woodpile you know just to kind of be funny.
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  Uh and I I'm bad about uh expressions you know. That I guess that I make up myself you know like uh well you about the cutest white girl I ever seen. You know stuff like this.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  And uh you know it's you just you just get in the habit of doing that kind of thing. You know just making a making a joke #1 and uh #
Interviewer:  #2 That's # awfully white of you.
533:  Yeah you know. Stuff like that you know. And uh we'll be sitting around here doing something and I'll say boy that's that's the best pot I've seen a white man ride all day you know well I hadn't seen a black man or a green man ride one either but it's just you know it's just an expression.
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  Or you know hey daddy how's that look? Well pretty good for a white boy.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  You know and {NW} and I really shouldn't. You know because I find myself doing it you know with three or four blacks sitting around you know and they look around and think {NW} What the hell he be talking about man? And I say hey. You know. Then uh
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Well what about say if a man had a little bit too much to drink and he got uh all binge and nobody would make bail for him. He's probably going to spend the night
533:  In a tank. You know.
Interviewer:  What is a tank?
533:  Uh well I think that the tank you know that a lot of people call it the D-T-s. You know. Hey well so and so boy he got to bed. He had the D-T-s. You know? He's in a drunk tank.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
533:  Uh the tank is just uh oh it just look like a tank. You're just in there by golly it ain't nothing in there. You just gonna have to sit and sweat off the booze you know? You know the tank. The clink. Slammer.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
533:  You know. He's in the tank.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What about #1 thing that #
533:  #2 used to be called a # the uh calaboose. Did you ever hear that?
Interviewer:  We talking about the drunk tank or the
533:  Uh well we're talking about the jail. You know? Used to be called a calaboose.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Uh the calaboose uh was a a little one cell jail in Vardaman you know? It was the it was the calaboose.
Interviewer:  What would the big house be?
533:  What? The big jail house?
Interviewer:  Or have you ever heard of #1 the big house? #
533:  #2 Oh the big house? # Eh Not the jail. No.
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  If I heard somebody say that I'd think they was talking about the pen. Uh the penitentiary you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  Parchman. Yeah. Cummings prison farm.
Interviewer:  Right.
533:  You know. What's that one in Atlanta that keeps all the women? Always wanted to break in there you know and die there.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  No I not really. I'm just kidding. You know.
Interviewer:  I don't remember.
533:  Get a hacksaw blade up your nose or something you know?
Interviewer:  No kidding. Yeah. Well what about things that a policeman would carry with him for protection?
533:  Billy club. Nigger stick. You know. Uh that the kind of thing you're looking for?
Interviewer:  Sure.
533:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 What about # uh
533:  Well that's pistol. Revolver. His gun. Basically.
Interviewer:  You ever heard it called his uh sidearm? Piece? #1 Circuit revolver? Any of that kind of stuff? #
533:  #2 Nah. Nah. # Nah if you ask a cop for a piece he'd think you's a homo and send you to {X} you know? {NW} Uh no it's it's his gun. Pistol. You know and people that have been to the national guard call it a weapon. Huh. Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about some different names for prostitutes?
533:  Uh whore. That's about it. You know. Lot of people don't know how to spell it. But you know. You hear women sitting around whispering about the H-O-R-E. #1 You know it's #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
533:  Uh
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  slut. You know that's a
Interviewer:  Street walker?
533:  Yeah street walker. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Would you distinguish between a a street walker and a call girl?
533:  Well I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Uh now uh realistically the term whore can be used in a lot of ways. Friend of mine. The w- guy I was talking about being from Nebraska you know. Talking about his you know uh the douche wagon. {NW} Uh he was I was talking to him {NW} I don't know. A few months ago. And he'd gotten out a radio. Running a ski resort in Colorado. And I ask him I said why? He said well I got tired of being a whore.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
533:  And to him that meant you know he felt like he's being used all of the time. You know. Hey man come work Sunday midnight to six you know? When he gets ready to leave work two to nine tonight you know? And uh he got tired of being a whore. And uh Uh yeah. I got another friend that uh he'll call you a whore you know. You do something. You say something funny. He'll say ah you silly whore. You know. Um he called a girl that one time. He you know just he let it slip you know kind of like saying hey you know like a white saying something about a white boy you know.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah and uh she was he was over at her house you know stopping there on the way home from work or something you know anyway and she said well let me fix you something to eat and uh she's a beautiful girl. And uh so she did something. He said ah you whore you. {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
533:  #2 You know and # And she wouldn't speak to him you know. He's he got up and left. Went back a couple of weeks and you know to apologize but Yeah whore yeah you know.
Interviewer:  What about a manager of prostitutes?
533:  Well uh course there's not much of it around here you know. Not not that. I know of one that you can go and buy. Uh two. One that you'd well neither one that you'd want. But anyway Uh the man you know. John. Pimp. If you say that people will know what you was talking about but there's you know none of it. Not enough.
Interviewer:  And you would use John to mean pimp or client?
533:  Uh yeah well sure. John's the client you know.
Interviewer:  Mm.
533:  Uh but I mean like I said. People would know what you were talking about. But it it's not a common #1 not a common thing. #
Interviewer:  #2 You said pimp. # You think of him what being black?
533:  Basically. Yeah a little squirrelly black guy with a pink hat on you know and goose feathers in his hat. You know and rings hanging off his thing. Probably an earring in his ear you know with a Christ symbol on it of all things.
Interviewer:  Mm.
533:  Uh high heel shoes like I wear. And uh {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Like the the rooster on Baretta?
533:  Yeah yeah yeah like a huggy bear. You know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
533:  {X} You know. Uh basically that. Yeah. You know he's got a white caddy with a padded roof you know and uh fuzz all around the mirror.
Interviewer:  What would you call a building where several prostitutes were?
533:  Well that's a whore house. You know.
Interviewer:  Anything besides that?
533:  Well you know blue light you know something like that but nah it's whore house.
Interviewer:  You ever hear cat house?
533:  Yeah. Cat house. You know. The cat house is you usually call that because all the men hang around there you know?
Interviewer:  Oh.
533:  That's probably just you know one or two of the ladies of the evening in there. Soldier of the streets I call. Well princess of the pavement. The man'd be the soldier of the street. Couple of songs I wrote one time. Nobody knows about now but me and you.
Interviewer:  Okay.
533:  But um yeah cat house. That'd be where all the guys go and cat around. You know what I mean? So
Interviewer:  What about a fellow who just hangs around the street
533:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Ah you mean you know like a bum.
Interviewer:  Sure.
533:  I don't know. {C: thumps} You know? Probably. Uh hobo. That's not around anymore. It's just a bum.
Interviewer:  Hobo. You mean one that travels
533:  #1 Yeah you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 a whole lot? #
533:  Uh the last of the great hobos was a guy named Marvin {B} Everybody always thought it was Marvin {B} something you know but that was his last name {B} and the gentleman. Matter of fact he was on route sixty-six one time with Todd and Buzz.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
533:  Uh they Ah well Yeah we wouldn't make it go Well anyway uh Back to that the uh the guy and he was he was just a bum. And uh his name anywhere just about anywhere in the state of Mississippi you went uh especially in the north part of the state you know everybody if you said Marvin {B} they knew you were talking about and uh he'd spend the night in somebody's barn. Spent the night in this old man's barn out close to our house one time. mr {B} barn and saw his boys were out there playing one day playing horses or cowboys or something and we found a bag full of nickels dimes and quarters. And uh had intentions really I guess of leaving it there 'til we made up our mind you know that it was okay if you stole it from him you know. You know if you got it because you found it in the barn even though you figured it was his. Well anyway we went back the day or two or something and it was gone. So he came back and got it that's how he made his living. You know just going around and you know and picking and {X} bumming nickels and dimes and quarters and eating out of garbage cans and Uh he had seems like maybe a sister and brother and you know and some relatives and left 'em a good deal of money. But um Yeah mm-hmm. That's that's where we were I believe you know you know. uh Anyway he would be a drunk you know. One who drinks would be a drunk you know. No winos no no distinction no distinction in particular about what kind of drunk I mean if he's a drunk he's a drunk. Ah well like you said it's not that not enough of those cheap hotels you know crash houses or anything like that around here to to to really know what you're talking about but a dog house you know. {NS} Uh you know flat. Oh yeah yeah right. Be sure to go by and go by the court hou- I mean the the county jail down there which is you know like a block and a half south east southeast of the square. Get a look at the {X} Uh you know it's it's it's a real sharp when it was you know modernized and the way they caught the guy he's been doing it for a long time. But and you know it's not the first still that they got around here. But um That they you know that they found but most of the time they'll find a still way back on the back of somebody's old old farm property you know and nobody's around they just find the still and they approach the farmer about it or whoever and he'll say man I don't know anything about it I haven't been back there in five years. So you see they get the still and nobody ever but this guy had bought like a truckload of sugar you know and it's used to make the stuff and they traced it you see and they just followed him you know and he went out there and when he took the sugar in they caught him. {X} So they probably get some federal time for that you know. Uh but anyway it's it's a dandy. You know.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  The stuff they make in the still? Uh you know of course uh moonshine. Moonshine whiskey and uh uh white lightning and as I said home brew. Home brew is basically uh would be the kind that you would make at home for your own personal consumption. Sometimes it is {NW} Mm tough. But it's not Mountain Dew. uh I've never been intoxicated in my life on anything except my own ignorance you know uh stupidity. Natural high I guess you'd call it but
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  But I've tasted you know a lot of this stuff and uh Matter of fact most of it made a little bit myself you know only just playing around you know muscadine wine and when it's made right it is excellent. Uh not that not that very intoxicating well just a little Japanese friend of mine he was half Jap uh Jimmy Jap. And uh we made some strawberry wine one time and uh we put too much yeast in it. And uh whenever we want we put in gallon jugs with tinfoil around the top you know rubber band {X} when we went back in a couple of weeks it had eaten the foil off. So we decided we didn't want none so we poured it out in the grass it was right in the middle of an old uh watershed house and uh and we poured it out in the grass and the grass went {NW} you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  So it would've probably burned our drawers off you know if we would've swallowed any of it so so we didn't. {NS} You know.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Oh yeah. Uh hurricane Camille that was just that would just be a hurricane you know just a a terrible storm. Most of the time it uh goes under uh the distinction of storm uh hurricane or um you know tornado. Uh some some people might call it a cyclone. But um yeah I was in Camille I was in New Orleans uh. And couldn't get out you know and the wind was doing about two hundred outside the window but eh you know I mean if you're there you're there you know if you're in the {D: towering in the front oh} you might as well make the best of the twenty-sixth floor 'til it falls you know. Cuz it's going. But we were lucky uh we didn't didn't get hurt. Uh couple of my friends that went to school with me down there you know one uh guy piano was pushed up against his sister you know in the house you know and cut her leg off and but uh yeah it was just uh just uh hellacious storm I mean you know it just terrible.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Not really. Mm not not that much um with uh of course when it's winter around here it's winter you know it gets cold and you may have some sleet and snow. Uh you know which would create slush on the highway but I mean uh nothing nothing like that. No. We had an ice storm one time uh back in seventy three I believe it was. But that's what it was it was an ice storm you know. Trees fell you know houses mashed in uh antennas knocked down you know simply due to the weight of ice. Power lines something like this but it was an ice storm. And sometimes we have a little dust storm believe it or not. You get a dust storm rolling out Oklahoma Texas and it'll blow dust in here you know. But not real heavy it's just a uh
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Well uh dope you know it {D: still makes you think well there's} a lot of it around here it's it's more than you would think and more than I'd like to think. Uh but you know course grass everybody knows what that is. And uh you know uh I've heard of speed. And I think I saw a guy one time after he'd been using some because he kept you his his top lip seemed like it was numb and he kept rubbing it. I always heard you know that that a spre- a speed freak you know uh {NS} messed up like that. Uh but you know not much coke or cocaine or whatever you want to call it around uh that I know of but it's around here it's mostly grass you know. Uh I heard somebody mention the word Quaaludes one time don't know what they are but to me it sounded like a horse pill. You know uh. Big plastic round thing or something I don't know what it's supposed to do. But uh you know dope is dope. You know this nicotine I'm smoking here is probably dope but at least uh the the effects are not immediate. You know not injuring anybody else you know or don't have the possibility of injuring anybody else just because I fire one up. You know. Yeah. Weeds you know they used to call a cigarette a weed you know give me a weed that was before though the the marijuana thing came along. Uh cancer sticks. You know. Coffin nails. That's C-O-F-F-I-N. Not C-A-U-G-H-I-N. Uh but you know that's about it. Ready roll yeah ready roll they used to call them that. Ready roll you know because Well yeah you know it was back in the days when a lot of people still rolled their cigarettes themselves you know and they'd say hey you know give me a ready roll. You know. You know and
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Mm well like I said not that I know of I'm not too hip on that stuff you know I uh I I guess was lucky enough to come up in the time uh like I said I graduated high school in uh in seventy. And uh very few of my friends at that time you know maybe one or two you know fiddled with that stuff a little bit. And uh we more or less embarrassed them you know or made uh made 'em feel awful bad about it. Now though I'd venture to say even though most of my friends are grown and married uh I'd venture to say that ninety percent of 'em have tried it. You know uh in some form or the other. And uh people don't believe when I say that I hadn't because even a cousin of mine one time well you listen to me on the air you know and you gotta sound you know happy bright lively and I do and like I said to me it's natural hell I just you know That's just the way I am. But you know people think you have to be zonked out on something you know in order to uh to have a good time or to uh sound pleasurable or to uh enjoy what you're doing you know and it's just really not true and I try to prove this to people you know. That you can uh You can do just fine without some kind of stimulus you know. {D: Uh I don't} But anyway that's that's one goal I have in life to try to maybe uh show people that you don't have to be out of your mind to uh you know to have a good time you know. And uh but anyway uh no I don't I don't think of anything else you know uh pills. You know uppers downers uh red devil stuff like that I've heard of a lot of it like I've said you know. I don't know I even heard of angel dust uh not long ago. Which is something like some kind of horse medicine I don't know. Yeah kinda {D: mighty} I cannot imagine y- people doing that. No you know I I don't mm-mm.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Green. Uh you know uh you know yeah you know I I'm a little bit short on green. Also the word jack you know it takes a lot of jack. {NW} um Bucks. You know. And uh you know corn. You know. You know I'd bet that cost you a hunk of gold you know {D: pot of gold.} And uh You know just stuff like that mm.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  {D: Worn.} Hmm. {D: Worn.} No I don't think so I might uh it might ring a bell you know if somebody said something I might know what they were talking about but I
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah not especially no.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  You know {D: rebel yeah} {D: Valley high} you know Uh yeah ripple you know everybody knows what that is you know ripple.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah pawn shop. {D: Now we got one} right here it's not it's not much there's one in Tupelo but around here people make a lot of money out of pawn shops I don't know how you know. Maybe they're {D: fencing} or something but you know they they uh maybe {D: fencing} really. But they they you know they got Cadillacs and you know uh Continentals and stuff like this you know. {NS} I don't know. I don't think too much of the place because I figure there's something crooked going on there. uh I bought my kid a watch there one time. Eight dollars I think I gave for it. uh
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah you wouldn't let your wife drive through it you know. Yeah. Well yeah no particular name. just uh you know you just don't go there it's not like you know the Bronx {D: or high up street} or you know {D: Watts Avenue} or anything like that you know you just you know.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  No. Mm-mm mm-mm. North side south side no. Me I'd go through there you know. Uh I'm just crazy enough to I mean I wouldn't if it was terribly bad if they were having a riot or something like that but I mean uh I wouldn't be scared to drive through a place. Matter of fact uh esp- if uh if I was by myself somebody told me one time said hey there's some guys out there you know that'll throw a bottle into you when you go past the sunflower food store and I said you know what I didn't much pay any attention to 'em after a while and I said yeah they will. And I said well I can give 'em a fresh clean windshield. Because if they blow my if they knock mine out it'll be the last one they knock down. And uh I said you know I'll just plead insanity. Self defense. Hell I'm a redneck I don't
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah well y- yeah right. But um I don't know it's somebody was just and somebody might've actually thrown uh a bottle into somebody's window but it was probably a personal fracas you know. Probably went out with his girlfriend or something and he went by and he threw a rock through the window or a bottle or whatever it was but Yeah you know. I don't know. {NS}
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Well that's just actually the theater. You know adult theater you know. Not many of those around here you know yeah. But I know what you're talking about like on uh what street is it maybe Peachtree in Atlanta you know. Yeah mm-hmm.
533:  {D: Uh skin flicks.} You know.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  That's a mailman.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  That's the garbage man. You know. Yeah yeah. Just garbage man.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Got a lot of pull. Got a lot of pull.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  My most of 'em yeah.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  He's a politician.
Interviewer:  #1 A politician. #
533:  #2 Yeah. # mm-hmm. uh Be a you know or a you know I don't know what term it is uh you know maybe a bum. Basically is what I'd call it.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  No.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  No.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  mm-mm.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Right mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  I'm going to the grocery store. You know. Which one? The warehouse you know. The grocery store.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah. Yeah part you know supermarket. Grocery store it all carries kinda the same connotation. Supermarket is a bigger place. It's a super huh market you know. But a grocery store and a supermarket could be you could be a grocery store and a supermarket but you wouldn't hardly be you know a supermarket {D: and a quote grocery store.}
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Like a deli. Mm-hmm deli {X} Food counter. You know.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah condo mm-hmm yeah. Lot of people around here though would get mixed up and think you were talking about {D: prophylactics} #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
533:  Hey man give me twelve condos you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  uh {D: You know it's what the kind you want {X} uh Yeah you know it's That's something that you read about. You know and people around here are basically are are fairly well read. They have opinions on every you know thing like that. And they watch a lot of tube David Frost uh Johnny Carson and uh and lot of 'em call him Bob Snyder Tom Snyder. Did you hear him the other night when he was talking about Dorothy Parton? Yeah he meant Dolly you know he said Dorothy Parton. He said well he said yeah. Good well he didn't apologize you know and that not then I didn't see him the next day he mighta come back and apolo- you know #1 Tom. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
533:  Yeah that was Snyder. I love Snyder.
Interviewer:  Did you
533:  #1 well he's from #
Interviewer:  #2 say that {X} #
533:  Georgia you know?
Interviewer:  I didn't know that.
533:  That's where he started out was in uh Savannah I believe in radio.
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen Danny Aykroyd's impression of him?
533:  {NW} Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Aykroyd. Yeah he's he's okay. Uh like I said when he was doing somebody else.
Interviewer:  What do you mean somebody else?
533:  When he's doing Jimmy Carter.
Interviewer:  Oh.
533:  You know. Tom Snyder. Uh {NS} Nah. His Nixon's not any good. Rich Rich Little's the only one that can do mm-hmm. Rich Rich Little's the only one that can do Nixon. You know he he really is. {NW} Uh And uh Rich Little does the best Johnny Carson too. He does that about as good as Carson himself.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Uh yeah. I'm gonna be in Memphis too. Not too long from now. Sure. Mm-hmm. He was also a radio man.
Interviewer:  Rich Little?
533:  Rich Little. In Canada. Yeah. And uh you know Dick Cavett Johnny Carson and um and the other guy. What's his name? Anyway. All those guys were from Nebraska. Which is weird.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah. Every one of 'em.
Interviewer:  {X}
533:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about a a small store that uh opens early? Stays open pretty late? Do you usually
533:  Mm like a seven eleven?
Interviewer:  Sure.
533:  Which wouldn't be early around here. It'd need to be at like five thirty to eleven you know? That {NW}
Interviewer:  Do pe- do people around here use that term in general? Instead of like if they're
533:  Well around here it's junior food mart.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You know. Right. It's a junior food mart. You know. Convenience store. Uh you know. Well you just. Around here you going to the store. You know I was in Atlanta one time. Spending a day or two with some friends and uh they said something about going to get something. I said well you know anyway I I I made mention of the fact that we were going to town. You know and they laughed. Ah ha ha ha ha. They lived out at you know Decatur out there on a uh off of Shallowford you know. Two eighty-five. You turn off there at Shallowford and go down uh uh there are some of those apartments you know? I said we was going to town. Well hell you know they live right in the middle of quote town end quote. You know? {NW}
533:  Town for a hundred and fifteen miles there you know?
Interviewer:  {NW}
533:  Uh But you know they they got a real big kick out of that. Yeah you know. Look hey ma I'm going to the store. You know. That kind of thing.
Interviewer:  What would you put some uh something we'll say food if you wanted to heat up some food something you could put it in if you didn't want to have to uh fire up the oven?
533:  A boiler. You know. Frying pan. You mean you know like if you're warming up the peas? You know. Frying pan. Boiler. Skillet.
Interviewer:  What about
533:  #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 something # that's uh electrically operated? Like a skillet? What would you call that?
533:  Uh. Electric skillet. You know. Uh. You know. Generally uh all the slow cookers and things like that you know they're uh uh what do you even call 'em? I forgot now. You know the crock pot you know.
Interviewer:  Sure. Yeah.
533:  And um
Interviewer:  what about these things that heat very quickly?
533:  Hot plates.
Interviewer:  Or. Well they're they're relatively new. And actually a little oven.
533:  Oh yeah well that's just you know uh they got a lot of different names but you know basically just a warmer. #1 You know? #
Interviewer:  #2 Same thing as # these T-V {X}
533:  Yeah. mm-hmm
Interviewer:  #1 Microwave? #
533:  #2 Microwaves. # Yeah. You know. It's all a microwave. 'Course there's only one company that makes