533: Yeah well you know it's like the deep freeze Deep freeze is a brand name. I don't really remember which company it is say again maybe G-E. It may be Frigidaire but it's one of the old line companies you know and they they had the patent on the deep freeze. And uh on the rest of them especially when you're advertising it has to be called like a whirlpool food freezer. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 533: You know You- you've heard 'em- the carefully selected words you know. Come get your whirlpool food freezers now on special {X} you know uh and the same thing with the word bush hog. But you know uh you think uh course a lot of people don't know what a bush hog is but you go out and you know clean up your whole pasture with a- with a mower behind the tractor and it's a bush hog. But there is a company there is a bush hog company. And you couldn't say uh for sale a John Deere bush hog because there's no such thing it's a John Deere rotary mower or rotary cutter or you know pasture clipper anything you know but it's but a bush hog is a bush hog, you know. Interviewer: Uh 533: Deep freeze is a deep freeze. Probably somebody somewhere had the patent on air conditioner. You know. Probably Lennox you know Dave Lennox I don't know but anyway. You know. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about a coin-operated laundry what would you call that? 533: Laundry mat. Laundry mat. or to the laundry you know I'm going to the laundry you know. Interviewer: You ever hear people actually say wash interior? 533: Uh well yeah if that's the name that's written on the outside. You know if it's shorty's wash interior then you go to the wash interior and if it's a laundry mat you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm okay. 533: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about a thing that you buy ahead in the basket until you put your dirty clothes? 533: What do you mean like a dirty clothes bucket? Dirty clothes pail? Interviewer: Sure. 533: Dirty clothes dirty clothes basket you know. Interviewer: You ever call it a hamper? 533: Well if it was a hamper. See some of them are shaped like garbage cans and it's a dirty clothes basket you know and if it's a hamper the type that's got the flip back top, well then it's a dirty clothes hamper. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: You know you're storing the dirty clothes you know that kind of thing. Interviewer: And the thing at you would use to uh clean your rug? 533: Vacuum cleaner. Interviewer: Sure. 533: That's a vacuum cleaner. Interviewer: What about the bag or whatever it is that catches the dust and dirt what would you call that? 533: That's just a bag vacuum cleaner bag. Interviewer: And if you had to mop this floor the container that you keep your detergent water what? 533: Bucket mop mop bucket like slop bucket you know. Interviewer: {NW} Okay and these things that some people have in their kitchen to reduce the bulk of the garbage? 533: Mm-hmm trash compactor. Mm-hmm Interviewer: Okay and the big container where you would put trash? 533: Garbage can trash can Interviewer: I don't recall seeing one around here but maybe uh at a shopping center on of these great bigger? 533: Oh yeah the county has those right yeah. Well it's just a garbage can. You know uh I don't really know what you would call that. They got a name you know. It's a- I think it's probably the nastiest thing America's ever done. They set those things out in the middle where people come out to throw their garbage in. They oughta leave those things for Goodwill industry. Paint 'em a different color and let you throw your old clothes in here you know because they're sit on the side of the road and they got two for like fourteen families you know. And hell, a thing would be full you know they just come by to pick 'em up third day garbage all over the road you know dogs cats breed there you know. God almighty Ah you know it's just beautiful. I didn't see anything wrong with it everybody taking it out in their back yard and dumping it you know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: I mean you know nobody had to look at it except them right. Yeah it's just garbage can. {X} Interviewer: The dogs {X} 533: No. We use to have junk piles you know kind of a community junk pile you know like over in the woods somewhere and everybody took their took their garbage you know that was the big thing used to hey mama let me drive the truck to the junk pile you know. Eh huh Interviewer: Okay. What would you call a man who is in charge of a funeral home? 533: {NW} Well undertaker you know. Funeral director I guess is kinda like being a disc jockey la la radio announcer you know or a you know air time personality or something like that. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Uh funeral director you know. Interviewer: Where do you {X} the same as managing and preparing the body? 533: Around here most cases you know not most cases you know theres kinda around here things are a little bit they're not so categorized you know. You don't have a a uh general manager, commercial manager, operations manager. There you don't have a director, subdirector, embalmer et cetera you know. Uh they all get together in there you know and they fix the guy and glue his lips together and paste his eyes down and you know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Yeah like said I'm realistic maybe I'm stupid about that stuff, huh? Interviewer: You ever call it a mortician? 533: Yeah mortician not really. You know I had a girl tell me one time I was like a mortician you know I just wanted a feel of her body, but Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 533: #2 she she was just kidding you know so I got her back though I got her back. # On air one day you know when I played take me home country road you know I said this sound like what so and so said to me the other night. Interviewer: {NW} 533: You know Interviewer: Wait while you in the room? #1 {NW} # 533: #2 Yeah. # Or in the mud Interviewer: It's whatever. 533: Why don't we do it in the dirt? Yeah. That was Beatles wasn't it? Why don't we do it in the road yeah Interviewer: What about the vehicle that takes the casket to the cemetery? 533: It's a hearse. You know? Interviewer: What about any names for a building where someone might be interred above ground? 533: Well not there's not a lot of that around here you know uh. What do they call them mausoleums you know excuse me call 'em mausoleums but uh. You know Elvis was buried in a mausoleum and everybody was thinking God I thought he was a Baptist. You know? {NW} Interviewer: #1 Whats that? # 533: #2 mausoleum # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 533: #2 # Uh Interviewer: {NW} 533: Mm-hmm yeah. You know it's a casket you know you're in a casket you know they put you in a graveyard. Uh There's West Point casket company you know I mean. {NW} Interviewer: You ever the other names for graveyard? 533: Yeah cemetery. Mm-hmm Um Interviewer: Skull orchard? 533: Uh skull orchard no. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Memorial Park you know that's when you you know that's when you live in town wear a tie they bury you in Memorial Park and if Interviewer: Perpetual care? 533: Yeah mm-hmm. Like John Denver you ever heard that song? uh Oh lay me down in Forest Lawn in silver casket {C: singing} Interviewer: {NW} 533: With golden flowers over my head in a chromium basket {C: singing} Interviewer: {NW} 533: You oughta listen to it's a it's on a ah it's one of his first albums Poems, Prayers, and Promises maybe. Beautiful he sung it on Johnny Carson one night you know after he guest hosted about the tenth time. You know I've been to Forest Lawn. It's a joke. But anyway the song was about you know uh uh this little uh you know have a little man standing in the grass who will tip his hat when mourners pass {C: singing} Oh won't you lay me down in Forest Lawn in a silver casket {C:singing} Uh said uh the army will come over in a parachute and jump out and do a twenty-one gun salute you know and all that stuff. Eh it's making fun of the rich people getting buried I mean like I said what the hell? Interviewer: That sounds like it has a little bit more age to it then what I usually associate with John Denver but I'm not every. 533: Well he was yeah that's what he said after he got- he- he'd been on there several times and he said well I've been on here enough that I'm familiar enough people that I you know know I am going to offend some folks but he said by golly I'm going to sing it anyway. You know how he is I love John Denver. He may be a little weird I don't know but I think he's fantastic. I was digging John Denver and Kris Kristofferson and people like that uh I was going around like uh in sixty-five, sixty-four singing uh you know stuff like uh Ruby don't take your love to town. Interviewer: Hmm 533: That Mel Tillis wrote and uh uh loving her was easier than anything I'll ever do again and me and Bobby McGee and this kind of stuff. Roger Miller was recording some Kris Kristofferson stuff more or less his fillers on his album Can't Roller Skate in A Buffalo Herd #1 you know and uh # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 533: Engine Engine Number Nine and I really loved it and that was back uh when Janis Joplin came out with me and Bobby McGee and my h- my feelings where hurt course she was dead already you know by the time. um I really was because I thought God you know she butchers it you know because it's such a beautiful song. Kenny Rogers does the best version that ever done. How did we get on music? Jesus. Oh yeah singing songs about #1 funerals yeah graveyards okay. Man, I can get off on some dealings. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # What funeral even Grace Slick likes John Denver that really surprised me. 533: Yeah well Grace Slick likes any man bout three times a week yeah mm-hmm Interviewer: #1 Alright # 533: #2 So she said. # Interviewer: Have you ever heard uh say a room in a house that is specially designed to receive a lot of sunlight can you name it now? 533: Oh you mean like the porch? You know. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Yeah the porch uh uh parlor you know a parlor we don't use that I don't know. It might use it jokingly you know take a girl by the arm and would you go with me to the parlor my dear? {C: impersonation} You know? But uh that was used you know on like especially like in the delta you know when they gotta house that's got you know eighteen rooms you know and downstairs reception area's the parlor you know. Uh Interviewer: I was thinking something like ah you ever heard of just a sun room or sun porch or 533: Yeah, there's sun porch but that's uh a little bit more modern now, you know. People will build a house with a sun porch and you think damn, he must be making twenty-two thousand a year you know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Uh nah It's a porch you know its a back porch. Interviewer: Florida room? 533: Nah. When I think of a Florida room its one for the big black lady that plays on J-J you know? Interviewer: Oh. 533: You know the Florida room? No. Interviewer: Okay. What about a informal room of the house where you can just sit around and relax? 533: That's a den. A little guy in school one time his teacher asked him said uh you was asking about do you have a den do you have a den and he said no I don't need a den said my daddy just growls all over the house. You know he was thinking about lion's den. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: But uh yeah a den. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: You know family room uh has a different connotation you know. That's uh where the pool table is you know and this kind of thing but it's a den. Interviewer: What about uh room or bathroom that just has a sink and a toilet? 533: That's a half-bath. Mm-hmm Interviewer: What about things well the equipment you would use to heat and cool your house what would you call that? 533: Hmm. That's a central system you know uh depending on what it is air conditioner. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: You know s- you know central. You know people would say has it got central you know air and heat you know. Course when I was little central meant you know fire place in the middle of the house. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: You know and like uh it's just central heat, air conditioner, heat pump you know that kind of thing. Interviewer: How would uh the cool air or the heat be circulated? 533: Uh by way of ducts with a T like quack quack or #1 see a bunch of little ducks out there flapping their wings # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Do you remember 533: Yea right. Interviewer: Were there? Okay. 533: Mm-mm. Interviewer: Uh Have you ever heard talking about different styles of houses uh a house may be with two big rooms that are completely separated from each other probably old-fashioned? #1 {X} # 533: #2 hmm # Interviewer: stay out in the country or something like that just uh completely separated by a 533: By hallway? Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah I know the kind of house you're talking about. I don't know if it had any particular names uh you know. But you know like there'd be you know a kitchen and a bedroom over here and a bedroom and a living room over there and a hallway in the middle you know. Well like I said yesterday with a cistern and you know a well in the middle of the floor or something like that you know. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a dog trot house? 533: No. Never have used that one. Mm-hmm Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a hall and parlor house or a flying L? 533: Nah uh Interviewer: Like the elongated 533: #1 yeah I know what you're talking about yeah it turns off yeah mm # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 533: Nah. Interviewer: Are there any other distinctive styles for- for houses that you- come to mind? 533: Well you know um Like I said there used to be you know and I- and I despise when people say you know Joe's got his home for sale. I think my God you know his wife and his kids. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: You know because to me home was an atmosphere a house is what you live in. Uh but a house you know used to there were shotgun you know and there was farm house and uh you know tenant house. Tenant house was a little bit less of breed you know it was a low breed. You know. They had absolutely no paint you know no screens no porch you know and dogs running in and out you know that was a tenant house shotgun house you know farm house. Outhouse {NW} Interviewer: Right. 533: Chicken house and smoke house was another one you know but that's where chickens lived and where you smoked the meat but no particular. Whenever you say house you know of course somebody's got a nice house you say a big house it's I- I don't believe I've seen any particular distinction here that you would be looking for. Interviewer: Have you ever referred to a apartment a house or a apartment building as a tenement? 533: No. Interviewer: Does that mean anything #1 to you at all? # 533: #2 No. # Uh not really because tenant house is someone who lives on your place and helps you work the farm you know. But a duplex you know would be you know what a duplex is? That's just a duplex. But no that's an apartment house mm-mm. Interviewer: Does flat mean anything to you? 533: Uh flat to me uh kinda refers to like what we were talking earlier where a guy can go any crash you know you can get a cheap place that you and the lady that works at the other office can meet at {D: loon noon} you know. No flats around here. Interviewer: Uh 533: Yeah. Interviewer: Does row house mean anything? 533: Nah. Mm-mm Interviewer: What about a man who works in an apartment building who does minor repair work maybe electrical? 533: Maintenance man. Interviewer: Mm-hmm what about what one who cleans up? 533: Uh clean up women you know. {NW} Maid whatever. Interviewer: And the man who collects the rent? 533: Uh landlord, landlady whatever the case might be. Interviewer: mm-hmm What about a few things that you have uh to take care of your garden and yard with? 533: You mean like a hoe? Interviewer: Sure. 533: Rake, shovel We're not too much on spade you know a spade is a spade you know a spade's a black man. Interviewer: Right. 533: Uh and you call a spade a spade I sound like that daddy on that show that comes on Sunday morning you know. You ever seen where you know the guy takes a word you know and he'll say you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah. 533: Well like row hoe. Row hoe is the name of a famous rooster you know but you can't hoe a row. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 533: #2 but you can't # hoe a row. I mean you can't row a hoe you know anyway uh yeah. But uh you know rakes, hoes, water hose uh and then you you moved to the other side of the street and mi- a man might call it a garden hose. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: You know and- and uh and spade, but it's a rake and it's a hoe and it's a water hose. Interviewer: Mm 533: a tiller you know um a plow. Interviewer: Mm-hmm mm-hmm. What about something you cut the grass with? 533: A mower. Interviewer: Would you distinguish between one that's #1 small? # 533: #2 Uh # a riding mower or a push mower. Mm-hmm Interviewer: Now a push mower can that be like gas operated or 533: #1 oh yea it's just a- It's # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 533: a mower you have to push you know man power you know. Interviewer: Right. 533: Um Interviewer: What about one that has no motor at all? 533: One of 'em {NW} things like that. Interviewer: It's actually a lawn mower but #1 it's really actually a twist # 533: #2 Yeah, yeah, I know that kind you're talking about. # Uh uh just a mower you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What about something that you get uh down have to get down on your knees to use something with a handle and maybe tapered down? 533: Clippers? Interviewer: #1 {X} # 533: #2 Yeah you know. # Oh you mean um a little shovel? Interviewer: Sure. 533: Yeah I don't know. Just a shovel. I think of a- of a sand box whenever you're speaking of that but you're talking about a little flower bed shovel. Eh it's just a little shovel. Interviewer: What if you've ever seen one that had maybe three little prongs on it? 533: Yeah. I don't know what they are. I've used 'em, but I don't know what you call 'em. Interviewer: #1 And what was that? # 533: #2 No. # I don't know. Interviewer: Okay. 533: You mean that little rake with the blue handle you know. Interviewer: #1 Right. # 533: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And if you had some hedges you wanted to uh shape up? 533: Eh you'd trim 'em, prune 'em. Interviewer: You would call the thing that you use? 533: Uh a hedge-trimmer mm-hmm or uh hedge clippers. Interviewer: Let's say if the tree had fallen down in your yard and you wanted to get it cut up there 533: #1 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 very quickly. # 533: I'd use a chainsaw pop saw. Interviewer: Pop saw? 533: Yeah a pop saw or a power saw. Pop saw and a chainsaw and a power saw yeah it's just you know {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 533: #2 You know? # Pop saw you know McCullough Homelite Interviewer: Yeah if it gets you crazy go for the chainsaw. 533: What's that? Interviewer: Well I'll tell it to you. 533: Okay. Interviewer: Ready for this? 533: Eh. Interviewer: Uh what about some different cuts of beef that come to mind? 533: Mm T-bone, sirloin uh You know. Chuck roast you know. Or shank when you get talking about you know shank portion, butt portion. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: Ham Shoulder Interviewer: Talking about pork now? 533: That was you know that was pork uh but you know like steak say you got you know porterhouse. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: You know uh T-bone, sirloin, rib eye so you know about it. Interviewer: Okay any other cuts of pork beside ham and shoulder? 533: Uh well not really like I said the butt. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: The shank. You know uh well there's hog jowls, hog brains people eat brains, ears, feet, hog tails, chitterlings. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: Uh but as far as you know distinguished cuts you know distinguished cuts uh let's go eat a t-bone. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Or bring me a sirloin. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: What about lamb? 533: Eh no lamb around here I've never eaten lamb in my life. Interviewer: Not anything? 533: Nah. {NS} Interviewer: Say if you were going to fry 533: Guy asked me once how I was I said I guess not bad. {C: pronunciation} #1 But anyway um # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Right if you were going to fry a chicken you'd tell me to go out in store and buy a? 533: Buy a chicken. Oh or a fryer. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: You know but a chicken. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: What are we gonna have for supper chicken? Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm are you buying # 533: #2 you know U-S-D-A # Grade A fryer's forty-five cents a pound but everybody says oh we'll get one of 'em chickens. Interviewer: Right. 533: You know. Interviewer: Anything different if you're going to broil it or roast it? 533: Eh not especially you know. Interviewer: Would you say broil or roast? 533: Well As I said technically they would if they were giving you the market reports you know broilers. You know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: Forty-five cents on an estimated slot of a million five hundred hit but you know- you know what that is but it's still a chicken. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: You know and if it's a turkey it's a turkey. Interviewer: Mm 533: You know. Now I don't know why because you don't go to the store and say hey give me that piece of cow over there you know. Interviewer: Right. 533: Or you don't say give me that you know that that uh cow roast. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: Which you would say chicken breast? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: {NS} I don't know weird. Interviewer: What about something that you would eat at a baseball game? 533: Hot dog Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: Apple pie and Chevrolet Interviewer: {NW} {X} 533: Mm #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 so # 533: Hot dog dogs you know um peanuts popcorn {NS} Interviewer: What about something that you would drink if you along with your hot dog? 533: Basically Coke. That's the general I think internationally accepted soft drink hey give me a Coke what kind you know. #1 Um # Interviewer: #2 Right. # So you use that term generally? 533: Yeah right you know. Interviewer: If I gave you a Pepsi then it 533: That don't make any difference you know you go to a place and say oh you know two hamburgers and two Cokes. All we have is Pepsi and I said hell give me a Pepsi I mean you know. It you know uh Interviewer: Give you an orange? 533: That ain't a Coke that's a orange yeah. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Not a lot of kids you know give me an orange Coke. You know my kid used to I say you want a Coke she said yeah daddy but I don't want no brown one. You know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Give me one of them green ones. Interviewer: Right. 533: Uh but if you want something specific you know do you have a Doctor Pepper that that type thing Mountain Dew. Um and usually um like in situations where you know like I'm heading up a- a refreshment stand at a ball game or a rodeo or something I say look I sell Cokes. You know maybe a Sprite maybe an orange for somebody that's allergic but I don't think anybody is this allergy business is like uh you know hysterectomies. Doctors do it because they know they make money out of it. You know. Uh But uh you know these people oh I can't eat that I'm allergic to flour. I say god darn. Allergic to flour then you're going to be allergic to candy you know and you know a lot of things you know bread, everything oh but all I need is wheat bread well that's got flour in it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: Wheat flour but anyway uh uh thats what I I say that because you know people are gonna come up say you know give me a hamburger and a Coke. Interviewer: Yep. 533: And if you have to stop and say we don't have Coke we have Pepsi, grape, Sprite, Tab and Mister Pibb you know that takes up you could already have it poured and sold and had 'em out of the way. Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 533: #2 so you know # Coke. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: You know. Interviewer: Mm 533: And for that reason I drink Coke the small six-and-a-half ounce thing is the only real Coke the other's are watered down you know it to me. Interviewer: For sure 533: Eh it tastes that way to me. I don't know. A real Coke isn't it's- I'd rather pay twenty-five cents for that little short Coke. The old original American Coke. Then I had to do uh you can pay the same price you know and get a twelve-ounce can but it's got too much carbonation in it and I I say good morning {NW} how you doing {NW} You know so uh yeah right. {NW} I got a tiger in my tank yeah. Interviewer: Can you explain tearing for beer you were? 533: So it's you know beer eh you know thats about it. Interviewer: What about a big sandwich with several different types of meat in it? 533: A dagwood. Yeah a dagwood. You talking about a po' boy you know and long you know with a po' boy to me uh carries the connotation of that big stupid bread you know. It takes you five minutes just to bite through the bread you know {C: music begins playing} one hunk of bologna in but yeah a po' boy. You know but eh a dagwood is kinda like when you make it at the house you know two slices, bacon, a piece of ham, mustard, peanut butter, jelly, cheese you know. Yeah you know just anything go on it that's a dagwood yeah. Interviewer: What about different things you could find at a bakery? 533: Eh donuts, cakes. Uh generally pastries you know uh these uh éclairs and all that kinda stuff I just say give me one of them you know. Interviewer: What about any special names for donuts made will jelly or something or some kind of thing? 533: Jelly donut I mean you know I don't know is there a special name? Interviewer: Oh well stuff like the long johns I think you say? 533: Nah. Interviewer: Bars? 533: Long johns is what I wear in the wintertime. Interviewer: Right. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah I know what they are yeah a cruller. You know they got the little you know funky swirls you know they come around look like a mickey twist used to a kinda chewing tobacco you could buy that was shaped like that you know twisted tobacco. Interviewer: Mm-hmm mm-hmm. What about the sweet stuff you might spread on a donut what would you call it? 533: Glaze. Interviewer: Yeah what about on a cake? 533: Frosting. Interviewer: {X} 533: Mm-hmm frosting's thick. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: A glaze would be like what you put on top of a uh- a say for instance a well I don't know like a fruit cocktail cake you know. You just put a little glaze across you know it's a sugar glaze. Brown sugar and cinnamon glaze or something like that. But a frosting would be you know like it reminds of you chocolate or coconut you big thick hunks of fattening stuff you know like I like. Interviewer: What about a hot frosting icing? 533: Well you know um I don't know it's about the same. I don't know. I guess it would be the same you know if I if somebody said hey you want to lick the frosting off or the icing off I don't know. Interviewer: What about these things you can get a McDonald's now they're a type of pastry? 533: Turnover. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah, apple turnover you know. Interviewer: What about a sweet 533: Or a danish. Yeah a danish. I says give me a danish and they usually say which kind do you want you know pecan or cinnamon. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: Apple or you know uh see and really I'm a guy oughta be hard to please really. I read an old philosopher said that one time said a guy that that that uh neither prefers neither red nor blue should therefore have neither. You know and uh you know and I guess that's been one of my problems. So somebody say you know you want a- what do you wanna drink I said hang on I don't know just you know pour me something you know Coke anything that's why- as long as it's not a Tab or a Diet-right oh almighty you know send the drink manure and sugar. But um Interviewer: Are you familiar with coffee cake? 533: Yeah but not so much you know its you know a coffee cake uh usually doesn't have a good taste to me cause I like coffee. You know I do not like sugar and cream in it I don't like that I like coffee after a meal. I go to a restaurant you know and I say you know the lady comes around and says do you care for anything else I say yeah coffee please. So if you don't mind waiting a couple of minutes we're making a fresh pot. I say no give me the old one. You know because I like it to taste like coffee um anyway. Interviewer: What would you call that ring you're wearing? 533: Wedding band wedding ring. Interviewer: Any of the names for different types of rings {X} 533: Uh well Uh you know like I have a shrine ring, class ring, you know father's ring you know. Some people have a ring in their nose. {D: Some people have a ring around their collar.} And uh I mean uh Interviewer: {X} 533: Huh? Interviewer: {X} has one in his ear. 533: In his ear? Yeah. Oh well Interviewer: What about uh shorts mens or womens shorts that come down right about to the knee. What would you call those? 533: Well if it's a women I would call 'em pedal pushers if it were a man I would call him a sissy you know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Pedal pushers that's what they used to call them you know. Uh Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah you know I don't know why you know they came down just a little bit below the knees and you know women rode bicycles in 'em. They were called pedal pushers. Weird term no body uses it I came in back with hula hoops you know and bobby socks and ponytails and you know high collars. But uh shorts, men cut-offs you know everybody calls 'em cut-offs now. Cut-offs goes from everything for blue jeans I wear cut-offs and when I get home I take off what I got on and I put on my cut-offs no shirt. You know I have to sometimes change drawers because the kind I got on now you know you just you know hang all out at the end of the- But uh Interviewer: Sure. 533: Eh which happened one day and I was mowing the yard you know I was on the riding mower had my little nephew there with me and uh you know had on a pair of cut-offs and some of those baggy drawers you know some people call 'em argos, baggies The kind your daddy wears you know. Interviewer: Right. 533: And he kept hollering wig, wig look and I remember looking and there I was you know half of me hanging out I put god what if you know somebody had stopped and was sitting there and talking to me you know I didn't know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: But anyway yeah cut-offs. {C: radio} Have moonie shorts I think that was in the days of uh well moonie shorts were kind of half-length. You know they came down covered up the wort you know on your thigh you know where the muscles overlap. But um I have some moonie shorts I know what you're talking about but that's the kind my daddy would've worn you know in nineteen fifty-eight you know not anymore. Interviewer: {X} 533: Short-shorts you know. Interviewer: {X} 533: Uh not really. You know not so much a question of you know women shouldn't wear 'em men shouldn't either you know that kind of thing but it's short-shorts. Interviewer: What about take uh clothes you have inherited from a older brother? 533: Hand-me-downs what I wore all my life you know. Interviewer: Would you call it any different say if you got it {C: radio} 533: Yeah its just one year older than you and all of that yeah hand me downs you know that makes sense. Interviewer: Ever heard of the {C: radio} 533: Yeah you know you know like stud clothes you know yeah uh yeah lot a lot a of terms high fashion. You know. You know uh I don't know it just depends on what you're talking about you know. Maude that used to be the word you know you were maude if you had {D: cannot find the word maude} a paisley print shirt and a funky little hat. Interviewer: Do people still say threads? 533: Yeah you know threads uh-huh. Interviewer: What about if you were going on a trip a type of bag that you might carry your clothes in? 533: Suitcase. Interviewer: What about one you know like you want to put a suit in it? 533: Uh fold over bag, hanging bag you know suit bag. Interviewer: Mm-hmm alright and a type of bag that you might store clothes in a closet you know during the winter? 533: Yeah uh storage bag you know. Interviewer: What about one that you get back to the laundry? 533: Well same thing its just a a laundry bag I mean you know on a coat hanger. Interviewer: Mm-hmm okay. What kind of a a what you're wearing on your feet what would you call those? 533: Just boots well they're dress boots I think, but they're just boots you know. Interviewer: Any other boots? 533: Zip-up boots you know. Interviewer: Distinctive styles for mens shoes? 533: Uh you know cowboy boots, insurance shoes you know what those are? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 533: You know the the old saddle Oxford or you know the old stable saddle Oxford for like your insurance man, your funeral man, your banker wears you know. You know they got the little holes punched in them you know. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 533: Insurance shoes you know you buy one pair when you're twenty-five and don't throw 'em away until you're forty-five you know insurance shoes. Yeah. Interviewer: What about womens shoes? 533: Oh yeah high heels you know. Claudes uh clogs and you know wedges and you know just anything straps, heels. Interviewer: What about mens and womens hair styles? 533: Ah not so much as it used to be back in the days bouffant and all that stuff but eh you know flattops. curlies, frizzies, uh afros you know. It's a big joke when a white guy gets an afro you know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Uh. Interviewer: Its like a blow-out. 533: Yeah right mm-hmm but a lot of people don't use blowout cause they afraid somebody will think it's a blow job and then you get all messed up you know. But uh yeah uh you know afros curly you know frizzy like Mac Davi- Mac Davis has got a curly but uh uh Gabe Ka- Gabe Kaplin I guess you would say has either an afro or a frizzy. I don't know. Interviewer: What about any names you've ever heard say uh a man who has womanish ways. What would you call him? 533: A puss you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Queer you know. Interviewer: Wouldn't that necessarily make him say queer. 533: Well you think homosexual is what you think someone who has you know tendencies to you know desire to be close to a man more so than a woman. But ah weird, weirdo you know. Uh. Interviewer: Any names 533: Sissy. Interviewer: for a male homosexual. 533: Uh just queer you know. Interviewer: Fag, fairy? 533: Yeah fag, fairy you know all of those you know. Interviewer: What about a female homosexual? 533: Well the the difference is I think that in- in ninety-nine cases out of a hundred and two they're harder to detect you know what I mean. Butch you know not a bitch but anyway. Eh you know. There's a lot of that around I said a lot, but you know there's equal amount I'm sure but everybody knows what a lesbian is but you know it's not as easy to spot one as it would be the guy in purple pants prissing down the road holding a cigarette high you know with his keys hanging out of his pocket you know. Anyway Interviewer: Yeah. Right. 533: A fairy. Interviewer: Would you ever say for a women nympho nymphomaniac? 533: Yeah. You know. That's uh in my opinion someone who never had a real man. Cause if she ever got a hold of one You'd stop that shit you know what I mean. This would be a- a woman who's a sexually overdriven or something like that life I said if she ever got ahold of a real man long enough she'd stop that stuff and say hey I believe I'll take you home with me. Uh you know but anyway. Interviewer: What about a man who like that uh sexually overactive? 533: Whoremonger you know. Uh I don't know. #1 not not as well # Interviewer: #2 Can you # names at all that that have anything to do with like somebody who is who thinks he's very uh 533: Oh yeah. Interviewer: Efficient. 533: Yeah who thinks he's good mm. Interviewer: He likes to sleep around. He doesn't care. 533: Cute-ass. No he's cute-ass. Thinks he's cute you know. Uh. Has uh No regard just so long as it's a woman you know. Like I told a guy one time I said well so-and-so had propositioned a snake you know. You'd hold it's head. But uh. And there's- there's- there's a lot of that around sure is you know I got absolutely no use for 'em. And uh. I don't know. My wife said something about somebody one time when I said well I just want to tell you that if he ever so much as looks at you you know he'll wish that he didn't. I just don't like a guy like that everybody he sees you know he's sizing 'em up as a sexual object you know. Uh. I mean because he's got a wife and three kids at home you know. How's he gonna like it when people do his uh daughter that way or his wife that way you know. {NW} But you know. He's a cute-ass. Actually everybody's got their own different names for it, you know. Interviewer: Any names for a woman who's kinda like that. Sleeps around? 533: Mm whore. You know. I mean you know. Kinda like being a nigger. I mean you know. You are who you are you know. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of any slang terms for very ugly boy or man? 533: Hmm. Nah. You know I mean you know I'm always saying something you know so- so-and-so looks like he caught in a fire and got beat out with a baseball shoe you know. Having reference probably to his terminal acne or something like that but um. Nah just ugly you know. Interviewer: No nouns though. 533: Nah, not- not especially you know. Interviewer: Well what about for a girl or a woman? 533: Hag. Snag-lightning. Uh. You know gag a maggot Stuff like that she gag a maggots you know. mm Interviewer: What about a dog? Is that still good? 533: Yeah dog, pig, hog. You know. That old saying a dog is a man's best friend say can be taken anyway you know. She ain't going to tell nobody she just proud to have a handsome rascal around you know. Uh Interviewer: Alright. What about a very attractive girl or woman? 533: She's a beaut you know. She's a real beauty. Fox. You know chick. Uh just everybody's got their own you know. Interviewer: Very handsome boy or man? 533: Um. I don't know. Just depends you know. {NW} Women you know what- what a man would comment Interviewer: It's either. 533: Eh a dude you know. The women would call him a fox you know and uh stud you know. That's what I'd call him you know. Interviewer: You ever heard of hunk? 533: Uh Yeah in in a sense of you know that's a mighty hunk of man there you know. But uh not so much as being a you know mister handsome as just being simply being a hunk you know. Well he's a hunk you know six, six-and-a-half and got a thirty-inch waist you know. He's a hunk. Probably also a meat head you know. Uh. Interviewer: What about the names for a very bookish person? 533: Book worm. Uh stuff like that you know nothing in particular. Interviewer: What about 533: Feel sorry for 'em you know. Interviewer: What about one who's always very anxious {X} teacher always thinking? 533: Brown-noser. No no no that's a different kind. Eh a brown-noser's the kind of guy who you know comes and say hey teach you looking good today. You know and he gets an A. Uh Or just happens to be sweet to the teacher so they happen to like him maybe he's handsome I don't know he would be a brown-noser. Uh I don't know. Teacher's pet. I mean you know that kind of thing. Mm-hmm Interviewer: Okay. What kind of fence would you say you usually find around {C: radio} 533: Chain link. Chain link fence. Interviewer: And the building around the school where you play basketball? 533: That's the gym. Interviewer: What about a place {C: radio} 533: Uh restroom basement. I think it got the connotation of basement cause back in the old days the bathroom was on the lower floor you know. And uh you know even like when I was in third fourth grade the they uh did a one floor structure that you went to the basement. You know. That was cleaner then saying I got to go to the toilet you know. Interviewer: You every hear it called {X} 533: Mm not so much. No. Now you know you get up where you going going to the john. The head. {C:radio} Interviewer: {C: radio} 533: Yeah. Interviewer: {C: radio} 533: Uh yeah in general you know half-breed or you know chink mm. You know Chinamen whatever the case was Jap you know Interviewer: Alright you ever heard of anything for Vietnamese? {C: radio} 533: Well yeah chinks and charlies you know course it's depending on where you are if you're directly associated with 'em or if you're talking about 'em from three thousand miles away you know. But that was- that was you a lot of that came from {X} You know a chink. You know gook and a gong you know. Mm-hmm. Right no that's kinda the Vietnamese you know they were gooks and Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. What about current {C: radio} 533: Yeah well You not talking about holy rollies are you? You know a holy roly is far from a Roman Catholic though Interviewer: Well I mean either. 533: Yeah. Oh yeah. I see what you mean. {C: radio} Uh. Roman Catholic uh you know {C: radio} You know. Not having much there. Holy roly like my grandmother you know. Uh You know dresses down below their- their knees. Uh Hair up on top you know this kind of stuff but if I said need for having a mustache you know that I've had all my life Uh but she hasn't cut her hair since my dad was two years old you know. Uh they'll they'll fuss about you know somebody wearing makeup but they have false teeth. You know and they'll fuss about a woman wearing pants but they have on pantyhose and high heels. And they'll you know whine about somebody wearing excessive jewelery but they dye their hair. You know so what they're gagging and {D: mat-swallowing} a camel you know- you know what I mean. At least that's what I tell 'em you know and uh they say something about this that or the other you know and whether is mall or whatever and I say well you know uh and they used to think that I was just trying to be a smart-ass but I was trying to make a point. You know that's- they- they pick out something that you do and I say well uh grandma, you had nine kids. You know. You were married to two different men. Uh you know I mean so I mean uh you know if we're going to hell you'll burn just as hot as I do and if you're going to heaven then you're going to be just as far back in the crowd as me. You know so uh you know like I said I everybody has different opinions on things uh you know basically if it's right, it's right and if it's wrong, it's wrong. You have to answer for yours and I have to answer for mine. Methodists uh I pick at 'em. You know and everybody's always talking about well I'm just like a Baptist I get on the back seat you know. But um basically ah you know they're all going to the same place and looking for the same man you know uh for the same reward. And uh if you get in a serious conversation I just challenge 'em I say okay Methodists show me in the Bible where you sprinkle you know and I say show me where they baptize and I'll sure do it you know. Oh yeah. And uh sure I know that the Bible says that women should not uh ordain their hair and all this stuff and men should cut their hair and look slick and all this uh You know But uh you know that's old testament stuff. And uh people get all carried away on uh what Paul told the Corinthians you know. He told them you know about not to marry and all this kinda stuff but if he was got to take into context that he was a telling a specific people a specific thing. UH you know which to deal just like Martin Luther King telling the blacks not to buy from you know the Jews or the you know the crazed department stores. This was a specific instruction to accomplish a specific purpose and it doesn't mean that everybody from now until the end of time is supposed to try and not to get married but it's better to marry than burn you know. You know if you get horny, get married you know that's about what a lot of people take it to mean. Uh {C: radio} and that was you know to a specific people that was having a specific problem I mean like I said a lot of people get all carried away so you have to I think take it and read your little footnotes and go back in Romans and read and see what it says there and then come back over to you know. Uh but anyway fundamentalists they're holy rollies. Dang I can get off on a subject you know. Interviewer: {C: radio} 533: None of the Jews you know. No there's not that many of 'em around here. Interviewer: What about ah Germans? {C: radio} 533: Krauts. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah. They're Krauts. Germans are Krauts. Or {X} You know. Uh. That's a Kraut. Interviewer: {C: radio} 533: Yeah. Mm-hmm. {C: radio} Mm {C: radio} Nah not really. Like I said it's just so occasional around here you know. Interviewer: {C: radio} 533: Yeah. Interviewer: {C: radio} 533: {D: Yeah a Polack} {D: Polack} {D: Polack and you know people make jokes about the Polacks.} Mostly because they don't know anything about 'em. That's the way you do you make jokes about people you or things you that you do know about or things that you absolutely know nothing about. {D: Uh not enough Polacks around here to worry about there's no} {D: Raseiniskis} around here or anything like that. You know {D: Deboradnie} is about as hard as it gets around here. Otherwise it's Smith, Jones, Huffman, Davis, Dindy, you know. Interviewer: What about Russians or uh Czechs? 533: Nah. I mean a Czech's a Czech you know. But um not particular distinction unless they talk funny. Interviewer: Mm-kay. 533: You know. Interviewer: Lithuanians? 533: Yeah I don't know. They they really are something you know eh. Interviewer: What about Englishmen or Irishmen? 533: Nah. I mean you know the Irish or English, you know. Interviewer: {X} 533: Nah. Mm. Mm. Interviewer: What about Scots or French? 533: No not particular. Interviewer: Louisiana French? 533: Well you know that's a- that's a Cajun but eh where that came from really it wasn't French it was uh the Arcadia Province and course I'm sure you know about that. And uh when I got mixed with a southern drawl you know the people from Arcadia {C: radio} they were Arcadians. {D: But it's like Injuns you know Indians and } {D: Injuns} You know and uh let's say he's a Cajun he's an Injun you know and people shorten it to be C-A-G-S-C-H-A-U-N. And a real French uh kid went to I mean a little Spanish kid to him and one time and said what the hell is a Cajun. {C: pronunciation} You know C-A-H-U-N. {D: I mean C-A-J-U-N you know like a got a little hagwares and drive like gel} And he wanted to know what a Cajun {C: pronunciation} was but Cajun. Interviewer: What about Coonass? 533: Yeah Coonass. That's what they call themselves that's you know that's a pride name like hey I'm a hillbilly hey I'm a redneck hey I'm a Coonass you know they got bumper stickers Coonasses do it better But they also got 'em you know uh rodeo-er rodeo-ers do it in the dirt you know uh you know coonhunters do it in the dark. Interviewer: Divers do it deeper. 533: Yeah mm-hmm right. Truck drivers do it better you know faster. Interviewer: What about uh uh French or Greeks? 533: Nah. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Cubans, Puerto Ricans? 533: Well you know that- that now started mixing it up with dago you know. You know. Interviewer: Which one or both? 533: Well just according to how they're mixed you know but a Cuban you know a spic Interviewer: Uh Mexicans? 533: Well spic uh has to do with anything that that speaks more or less Spanish you know and you know has a Spanish connotation spic somebody south of the border. Huh? Interviewer: Ever wetback? 533: Well wetback yeah but there's not that many you know. Not- not a big thing around here. A wetback around here would probably be a terrapin you know for a water turtle. You know beaver, mink or something like that. Interviewer: What about Scandinavians or Canadians? 533: Nah I mean a foreigner you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: You know a foreigner. {C: pronunciation} Interviewer: Right. 533: But um Interviewer: Eh what would you call somebody who comes into town nobody has ever seen him before? 533: Well stranger you know. Interviewer: Would you ever use that word foreigner to mean uh somebody not necessarily from a foreign country? 533: Uh not especially uh the foreigner would be used for somebody who you know would have a very strange ah dialectical you know form, that is something that's weird around here course you know we can handle the Yankees and you know and an occasional Chinese But uh you know somebody that was you know that's totally foreign to us you know. Which uh I don't think would involve you know you know um the Virginians talking about the outhouse. {C: pronunciation} And uh the Oklahomans saying I'm going to town for {C: pronunciation} breakfast you know. Uh but um I'm talking about someone really foreign you know. Yeah, super foreign Interviewer: We can get through and be done with the questions in a few minutes. Uh what would you call members of the two major political parties in this country? 533: Democrats and Republicans. Whigs and Tories. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 533: No. Interviewer: Joking, right? 533: Yeah, Democrats and you know Republicans you know. Interviewer: You mentioned in the conversation uh hippie um are there are there still such critters as hippies around? 533: Uh now and then you know uh Extremely long hair, greasy, dirty looking. Uh the only thing they've changed a little now they don't wear flowers anymore they wear earrings. Interviewer: Right. 533: You know. Look like they're spaced out you know it's not so much a hippie anymore you know. Interviewer: What about when you were growing up a- a friend of yours member of the same stakes you that you were very close to you'd say that's my? 533: Buddy. It's my friend, my pal. {NS} Interviewer: Have you ever heard any names for uh a surrogate parent? Like uh growing up who really who's spent a lot of time with the child although it's not his own? 533: Its like Uncle Tom you know I mean Interviewer: Do you just have a general word that you use 533: No I mean you know but ah you know just uh you know. Mm-hmm Interviewer: Well maybe not even a relative. 533: Mm-hmm. Well that's what I mean a guy that you know he maybe he wasn't married and he'd come over and he'd took you fishing and stuff like that you might get in a you know a habit to call him Uncle Rex or you know Uncle Bob. You know uh This is you know basically family orientation not you know and a lot of people you know their- their grandparents are Pa-paw Tom Pa-paw Neil, Papa John you know uh. That kind of stuff Granny Sybil you know. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of anything like a play-mama or play-daddy? 533: Uh you mean like nannies and stuff like that? Nah. Mm-mm Interviewer: Okay. What about maybe when you were growing up a group of fun that you associated with regularly and you considered yourself a group? 533: You mean like a gang being part of the gang no not really This is just me and my buddies you know what I mean? No we didn't have gangs uh now we might speak of a gang of boys meaning you know like eight or ten guys you know out doing something you know just a whole gang of 'em but we'd also use {D: passel} and slew. A whole slew of 'em. {D: Whole passel of 'em.} The whole kit and caboodle you know. Interviewer: Okay. Maybe in your neighborhood was there ever anything that a new kid who moved in had to go through before he was accepted into the group? 533: Uh maybe it was but it was no set of rules you know what I mean. Usually I took up with the new kid in a hurry because uh you know I'd been a new kid myself at one time and I had to you know take up with myself you know. {C: radio static} And like I said I just walked into the third grade class and started being you know part of the bunch you know. I got paddlings you know I told jokes. Uh I had the lead part in the two school plays that year you know. And so I knew how it was to be a new kid and so I just wanted them to feel comfortable you know. But there were no particular set of rules that they had to go through. Uh after a while you know they got to be friends with somebody you'd go spend the night with 'em. You know. Interviewer: But no kind of initiation? 533: Eh no initiation no. Uh-uh. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever heard of any kind of of a verbal game that involved one person kinda without insult and the other one be with insult and this one and this one comeback and try to top it. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: And that might have been a fight? 533: Mm-hmm. Just arguing. You know proving a point. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever heard of ranking the plays that doesn't? 533: No. Just hassling somebody. Black people calling it meddling. He's meddling with me. You know. Interviewer: What about kinds of games you play when you were a child. Maybe like hiding games or running games? 533: Eh. Hide-and-seek. Yeah hide-and-seek and of course we played war and we played cowboys and Indians you know and cops and robbers. We played hide-and-seek and chase. Chinese chase that's when somebody they touch you you've got to put your hands on the spot they touch and run until you catch the next guy you know. If they you know like a- you know they reach and get you from behind you know and just barely touch you on the tail you know and you got to put your hand on your hip and run around you know one-handed like. And the real fun part was you know to uh to have to jump and touch somebody on the ankle you know he'd have to run around holding his ankle that he caught. That was Chinese chase. Uh and we played tag and you know we had bases. And uh you know just stuff like that. Interviewer: Any kind of game that you ever played maybe when you had a line of kids? 533: Uh you mean like eh red rover red rover send Tommy right over yeah. You know we played Annie over which was you know one kid got on one side of the tin top house and one get on the over you know you hollered Annie over and then threw the ball over and I forget how it goes now if it went over it was something if it didn't go over it was something else. Interviewer: Any games with marbles? 533: Oh yeah we played marbles you know man all the time you know we couldn't they wouldn't let us play for keeps you know that was kinda like gambling you know if you if you play with a marble and a guy beat you you know you could keep that marble you know that the- the marble that you beat him with yeah you keep his marble. Uh but we played uh you know four-hole uh four-hole marbles you know five, ten and fifteen. Uh well the first hole didn't count cause you was there anyway and then it was a five-point hole, ten-point hole you know and fifteen-point hole was way over here and you made the first hole, the second hole, then the third hole {C: radio} then you had to come back without missing and then when you got the first hole again you legged for the hole that was way off and you got fifteen points you know. Interviewer: Any games with a knife? 533: Uh stretch we played stretch. Uh it's you know two guys standing face to face they pull out their pocket knives you know and you- you um you throw the knife out there away from his leg and he has to stretch to the point where the knife stuck up in the ground if the knife didn't stick then you didn't have to stretch. And then you'd get him you'd get him straight out like that see and as far as he could go if you throw it between his legs and it sticks up you have to turn around so he can throw the knife backwards. And uh you know that kind of thing. And you know you play chicken and if he was going to throw the knife into the guy's foot you know and also you you play chicken with you know cigarettes you put your arms together and you drop a lighted cigarette on your arm you know and the guy that chickened out first you know. Just crap games you know its stuff like that. Interviewer: Were there any particularly rough games that you'd play? 533: No you know just sports you know. Roughhouse was a kind of football when everybody was against everybody which uh more or less amounts to uh naked soccer I guess you would say everybody was against everybody you know they when they tackled you well then you uh everybody got behind you in a wad kinda like a huddle and you just threw the ball straight up over your head the man that got it- got it and everybody else went out to tackle him beat the hell out of him or whatever you know. And I enjoyed that one I- I still like the play roughhouse it's a lot of fun because you know it you're you know you and me against- you and the football against the world. If you got the ball son uh you know you're the target And uh But you know nothing in particularly rough uh you know we had you know our little wars you know with corn cobs and uh you know cow piles and stuff like that you know. But no particular you know real dangerous hellacious games or anything like that we you know. Interviewer: Any ring games you ever play? 533: Hmm? Interviewer: Ring games like black ring you know? 533: Uh no we used to play those at parties like you know uh spin the bottle you know boys and girls get in a circle you know and you put the bottle on the floor and you spin it and the one it landed on you you had to take 'em around the house you know Interviewer: {NW} 533: Uh-huh which wasn't even any fun until I got about seventeen Interviewer: {NW} 533: Uh you know. Yeah mm-hmm. Interviewer: What kind of parties do you have 533: Ah you like somebody's birthday party you know this kind of thing you know. And uh uh that was about it and then the occasional birthday party you didn't have birthday parties every year. I don't even know if I had one in my childhood but I don't believe I did. Might have my brother had one one time. That was kinda girl stuff you know- you know girl have a party. Interviewer: Any kind of party that you had when you were in college? 533: Uh I never was much of a party guy you know because uh I'm an individual in this because everybody's at parties yeah they used to have 'em you know eh graduation parties and now this one guy's daddy had a lake you know and a bunch of lake houses and we'd go down there and have a party and everybody got zonked out of their minds and I'd go in and I'd just didn't you know I didn't like to get drunk I mean you know I said well if I'm going to do something enjoy it or not I at least want to have my own mind about me so the more I can say damn I won't do that anymore or hey boy I like that I want to go back and do that again. Uh yeah but you know just parties beer partied you know whatever. Interviewer: Uh yeah did you call it a beer bus? 533: Nah just a- just a party. Yeah just a party. Interviewer: What kind of music do you listen to? 533: I like it all. Uh you know I- I can stand you know Chopin and stuff like that a little Mozart every now and then but um you know country and western uh some classical. Uh rock uh all different kinds of music I'm really I like it all you know there's certain parts of all of it that I don't like as well but you know I can- I can dig any of it. There's a degree of satisfaction in all of it. Uh I like good lyrics I really I'm a lyric nut I love lyrics and uh by that I find a lot in songs that other people don't ever find you know. I said oh that what that thing's saying? God almighty. You know uh but you know I like it all. I like I especially like to dig out the lyrics you know and and uh- and see what it means to me I don't try to guess what the guy was thinking necessarily but you know. Because uh a fellow can be super happy and look back on a time when he was not and write a song like uh you know Sunday Morning Coming Down. Kris Kristofferson wrote one one time that probably nobody amount to anything ever heard except close friends of mine I'd bring 'em around I'd say listen to this listen at the pain he remembers you know The song is uh it was wintertime in Nashville down on music row when I was looking for a place to get me out of the cold to warm the frozen feeling that was eating at my soul and keep the chilly winds off me and my guitar. You know? And uh you know So we stopped I can't remember now I'd have to go back and do the whole sequence over but Anyway Um with a pocket full of empty uh with a stomach full of empty and a pocket full of dreams I dropped my pride and stepped inside a bar. Actually I guess you'd call it a tavern cigarette smoke to the ceiling, sawdust on the floor and friendly shadows And actually the devil was- he met up with the devil there you know there was an old man sitting at the bar and in the mirror I could see him checking me and my guitar and he said come on up here boy and show us what you are and I said I'm dry so he bought me a beer. Anyway he goes on telling about you know the conversation they had and uh He says the old man was stranger but I'd heard his song before back when failure had me locked out on the wrong side of the door and no one stood behind me but my shadow on the floor and lonesome was more than just a state of mind So you could still hear me singing to people who don't listen to the things that I'm saying and praying someone gonna hear Uh you know like I said uh I- I know- I know where he was. You know he was he had finally come to the realization that that uh he had met up with one of his hardest times and and he beat it- the name of the story is beat to beat the devil. And he said well I ain't saying I beat the devil but I did drink this beer for nothing. And then I stole his song and then he goes back into the song that the devil So anyways like I said I'm- I'm a I'm a lyric writer {C: radio} Interviewer: Why don't you go ahead and mention a few of those those albums? {X} 533: Yeah well you know we were talking about shoes that You mentioned what do you call- you said what do you call those that you have on and I said boots you know which is a stupid thing to say I mean you knew they were boots, right? {NW} But then I got to thinking well there's a lot a you know different kinds of shoes you know slippers and loafers and you know sandals and things like this that everybody knows but we used to have plow shoes. Plow shoes. Excuse me I'm smoking a pipe I get that junk all over me. But um But a plow shoe was like a what you might call a- a A not-so-fancy brogan you know brogans what you call a little baby's white shoes or something you know that they wear comes up to to about the ankle and a plow shoes were uh kinda a rough hard leather Uh Flexible but you know sturdy and they had a the regular eyelets up to you know about six or eight of them and then on up uh to the toward the ankle they had uh these steel eyelets you know metal anyway and you didn't lace into them you just kind of- it was a wraparound thing Anyway you know everybody wore plow shoes they had a they were durable as the dickens you know and you could wear 'em and pass 'em down to your kid brother et cetera et cetera. So you know Course moccasins you know we had moccasins and tennis shoes T-E-N-N-Y {C: pronunciation} not tennis shoes you know tennis shoes. {pronunciation} Yeah well you know it was tennis shoes I {C: pronunciation} I never knew Why they called them tennis shoes. {C: pronunciation} until I realized at some ripe age probably twelve or fourteen that there was a game called tennis and it was tennis shoes you know. But anyway on to greater things. Interviewer: Alrighty. Have to do uh some things that have to do with greetings and uh. How would you greet somebody about {X} 533: Morning. Howdy. How are y'all something like that. Interviewer: If you said morning what would be the latest time of the day you would say that? 533: Uh just before twelve noon. You know After that it's uh afternoon course not a lot of people Uh just cause I do it that way doesn't mean everybody does but You know you ask somebody say you know what time does um the Beverly Hillbillies come on they say this evening. And this evening means you know something like three oh clock you know Uh Interviewer: So there's no clear distinction? 533: No there's no distinction between say this afternoon and saying this evening. We were talking about out here and in the office today and somebody said Said something about What do they mean this afternoon? In the summer time is at six oh clock because in the winter six oh clock is dark and that would be considered this evening. You know and he was writing an article he said should I say this afternoon at six or should I say this evening at six tonight at six today at six. And uh so it is you know and people around here you know they say hey won't y'all come over for dinner some day? And that means be there at twelve noon ready to eat. Uh Then some other areas someone says why don't we meet for dinner that means you know see you at seven. You know we'll eat at eight. Uh So it- it varies you just it's kinda it's colloquial to the point that you have to know who you're talking to I mean it's- it's not a confusing thing but you just uh you can perceive for the most part what they're- what they mean. You know when they say this evening or This evening. {C: pronunciation} This afternoon tonight you know. That's kinda the way we do it. Interviewer: What would you say if you were leaving somebody for a period of time? 533: I'd just simple stuff uh you know bye see you later. You know something like that uh. If you were being proper uh good afternoon Okay. You know something like that. Interviewer: Would you ever say good day? 533: Uh yeah. Possibly you know Good day Pull the old Paul Harvey trick you know? Good day. But um Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah right right {NW} Interviewer: What about {X} good night? 533: Uh probably just good night or goodbye. You know. See you tomorrow. You know. Uh no uh good evenings uh If I were doing a newscast you know come on with that you know the heavy stuff the loud Jeffery Hendricks approach you know. Uh I'm Jeffery Hendrick W-L-S news good evening it's nine fifty-nine. {C: impression} You know this kind of thing but otherwise Good night you know. Interviewer: Uh 533: Good night is kind of a sign off I mean you know if you say good night that's it and a good evening you know has a connotation either way you know either bye bye or hello you know. Interviewer: Right. 533: Good evening. Interviewer: That's where about what I want to get to. If a farmer went out to work very early then I say he went into the field before the sun? 533: Four A-M. Right before the sun came up Interviewer: {X} 533: Risen nah but If I was out there working before the sun come up you know. Interviewer: #1 Okay. I just # 533: #2 You know. # There's an old joke about golly you must've got up before breakfast you know. Interviewer: Sure. 533: Which of course you had to do but that having reference to say you know four three or four oh clock in the morning. Interviewer: {X} Or a man might say this morning I saw the sun 533: Come up Or rise yeah. Saw the sun rise. Now the sun rise is really the sun rise in other words a noun you know something that you are looking at it is a thing or a happening as the case is. If you see the sun rise uh around here it would be you see the sun come up. But if you're going to go out with some chick and lay on the beach until the sun till you see the sun rise you're waiting to see a particular object you know. Interviewer: Right. 533: So Interviewer: And yesterday I saw the sun 533: Set Mm-hmm Interviewer: Or yesterday at five oh clock the sun? 533: Yeah the sun rose. Mm-hmm right. Yeah yeah excuse me. I am you are he is essential. Interviewer: {X} 533: Conjugations Interviewer: What about this expression say if somebody came to see you not the past Sunday but the one before that you would say? 533: Sunday before last A week ago Sunday you know Interviewer: Okay. 533: Two Sundays ago Interviewer: Right. 533: If it was on If it was on Monday or Tuesday you know you would say two Sundays ago. Ah some people get it all You know they bundle themselves down with 'em they say ah around here they say you know a week ago this past Sunday. But it's confusing sometimes when they use that because they'll say a week ago Tuesday. And you don't know if they meant the Tuesday that has just passed you know like if its on Thursday or Friday. You don't know if it was the Tuesday that just passed or you know the be a week ago from the coming Tuesday so you know. You know. Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah. Interviewer: What if he is coming to see you like this coming {X} 533: That's Sunday after next. Yeah. Interviewer: Sunday week? 533: Uh yeah. Sunday week they still use that and a lot of people on Sunday. You ask 'em you know are- are you going to Jackson soon? They say yeah first of next week. Which means Monday morning bright and damn early but here it is Sunday afternoon and they're saying You know first of next week. uh You know my mother and daddy used to use that you know I'd say well you know next week we'll do so and so and you do it on Monday. You know and I thought well is Sunday the start of the week or is Monday the start of the week but You know That's next- next a week That's N-E-X-T-A-W-E-E-K Next a week Interviewer: Right 533: Like after a while. Interviewer: Right. Okay. Has somebody 533: Hey Doug. Nah he's got a program he's going to the other side. {NS} Interviewer: House from the first of the week you said he's stayed about 533: Couple of weeks A while really is what I'd say. Cause if anybody stayed at my house two weeks I would soon forget how close a friend he was probably you know. Interviewer: What kind of {X} 533: Uh right I'd say uh bye. Interviewer: {NW} 533: You know. Interviewer: Right. 533: We call that wearing out your welcome. Interviewer: Sure. {X} 533: Mm Interviewer: {X} 533: Mm Interviewer: Does anybody around here use fortnight? 533: Not really. The only place I've ever the use of the word fortnight is on channel two And I watch educational T-V you know I Interviewer: {X} 533: Ah well you know Barnabas Collins You know sucking blood out of some broad for a fortnight you know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: A fortnight I always thought to be an Indian term when you went to the forest and spent the night you know. Mm-hmm right. We're coming up on a fortnight. You know. Interviewer: Okay you say Wednesday is today you so Thursday is something 533: Tomorrow Interviewer: Alright and what would you say if you wanted to know the time {X} 533: Hey what time is it? Yeah. Interviewer: Say if it were fifteen minutes later than ten past ten what time is it? 533: Quarter to eleven Ten forty-five Interviewer: What if it were midway between seven and eight? 533: Eh. Seven thirty half past the hour is really not a a common thing around here but it's you know it happens uh Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: You know. Uh mostly seven thirty. Basically the simple approach I guess you know. Interviewer: Say that you've been doing something for a long time you say I'm been doing that for what? 533: Quite a while Quite some time um Yeah. Interviewer: And now the weather 533: Yeah. Interviewer: What if I go outside and I say well I don't like this cause it's dark? 533: Clouds. Interviewer: Okay. What if it's 533: Not everybody you know this you know s- According to who it is but they have different words for it you know- you know? Uh clouds you know the dark skies some people just call it the sky you know they don't distinguish between the clouds and the you know there is a cloudy sky. I don't like the cloudy sky. You know this kinda thing but uh basically it's just cloud you know. Billows yeah that stuff you sing about in church you know. Interviewer: Right. {NW} 533: But um it's just plain old clouds. Interviewer: Okay. Say if it's a day like today maybe a few clouds, sunshine the kind of day you like. You would say it's what kind of day? 533: You mean in reference to the sky? I mean you know like partly cloudy? Interviewer: No not even kind of weather. 533: #1 Well it's a nice day. Yeah mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a nice day. # Interviewer: #2 Sure. # 533: Now beautiful day is when there's no clouds. Interviewer: Okay. 533: You know. And a gloomy day is when there's all clouds you know. Interviewer: Alright. 533: Or nasty uh there's a certain kind of Indian summer you know an Indian summer is kind of uh the sky it's uh hazy you know hazy low hung clouds you know this kind of thing it's- it's maybe it's warm maybe it's humid but it's a it's an Indian summer day. And a dog day. It's one that's hotter than hell. You know I mean it's just hot son I mean it's hot. A few clouds hanging in there low and it's humid you go outside and you're sure suddenly it's not secret you know. And uh Interviewer: {X} 533: {NS} Right you know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Uh You wished everybody used dye on that.