533: Since Franklin Roosevelt in my opinion. {NS} {NW} No I'm I'm a Gerald Ford I'd vote for Richard Nixon if he'd run again. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: I think he was as far as being straightforward and and helping the American people I think he was the best. {D: He got called by} being too easy with the people that work for him. You know. But anyway I s- I like him. Interviewer: What would you say uh you were doing if you had a piece of land with some water on it to cultivate to to getting water off you'd say you were? 533: Trying to drain it. Yeah. Interviewer: And the thing that you would do to take the water off? 533: Drainage ditch. Interviewer: Okay. What about a little bit of fresh water flowing along. You call that a? 533: What now? Your spring? Interviewer: Okay. 533: You know. Interviewer: Anything besides that maybe? 533: Um creek. Interviewer: Sure. 533: Yeah you know. Interviewer: Creeks around here have names? 533: Sure every one of 'em. Even the smallest and the largest. Tell you a funny one. {X} Uh Chickasaw County has got two county seats which is weird. Uh Houston is a county seat Oklahoma's a county seat. There's twenty-five thirty miles separated. There's a couple other counties that's got that Tallahatchie has for one. Uh but the reason being basically the same. {NW} This {X} Creek separates the county you might say. It's cuts the county in half. It's not a giant creek it's just a creek you know. But back in the old old old old old days the creek would get out. {C: warped speech} You know. In other words stay flooded and you couldn't cross it with your wagon or with your horse you know for like two three months out of the year. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: And so they had to build a courthouse in Oklahoma in order to you know carry on business over there too. So uh {X} I have my own definition of where the name I mean my own idea where the name came from. The word {X} is a Chickasaw Indian word that means hog corn. And I just got a mental picture of Hernando de Soto and this man coming along you know and there's a Chief Thunder Cloud or whoever down there you know {X} which means red breasted bird or robin. Uh but anyway Standing down there you know when he stops the Spaniards and they go {X} you know what is that? And a chief looks down there and there's his hogs down there eating corn in the creek bed you know he says Eh {X} #1 And they you know # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 533: from that day forward call it {X} you know what I mean? Yeah. Uh because {X} means hog corn you know. So I just kind of figure that's where he got its name and there's a lot of dumb things like that around here you know. Like uh but anyway. Uh yeah Mud Creek Four Mile Creek uh you know {X} Creek. {D: Uh Golver} Uh Long Creek Cane Creek Gordan Creek Red Sand Creek Uh {X} Creek right up here. And uh Pettigrew Creek right you know hundred yards north of where we're sitting. Uh Let's see how about some famous creeks? Well I don't know you know just all kind of names. Interviewer: What about the rivers in the area? 533: Well Not a lot what you'd call rivers uh. They all start out as creeks. Um they're all named though. Tombigbee. Uh Pearl River you know. Just a slew of 'em. You know. {X} River Interviewer: What would you call a say a place that's been gradually eroded by falling water maybe till it's ten feet across ten feet deep. 533: A gully. Interviewer: Okay. 533: #1 Ravine. # Interviewer: #2 Do people around here # 533: A lot of 'em you know. Interviewer: Right. 533: But Interviewer: Right that's what I was gonna 533: No. Interviewer: Would a ravine be the same thing? 533: Well it'd be the same thing. I think of a ravine though as being at the edge. You know. A ravine is what you might see that your car would run off. of you know besides a road whereas a gully is what you might find out in a pasture you know. Interviewer: Right. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: Well what about around the ocean. What would you call a bit of water that flows in and out with the tide? 533: {NW} Huh I don't know I don't understand. Interviewer: A whole slew of water. 533: No. Interviewer: Any of that? 533: Nah not really. I mean you know if it just hung around in a- in a low lying area you know like say in grass and frogs and stuff like that. It's slew. You know. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Back water. Interviewer: Right. Okay. What if you were a slight elevation in the land? 533: Something {X} Go ahead. Interviewer: Um slight elevation in the land you would say you were on a little 533: Grade. Rise. Knoll. Hill. There's a difference in all of those. Interviewer: What? 533: Well a grade would be just a just a slight inclination. You know. Just a grade. Uh a knoll is when you're standing back here looking at a little knob of a hill over there that's a knoll. You know right over there on top of that knoll. A hill uh would be something that you have to gradually go up and it's a pretty good size. You know and uh that's Interviewer: You said a knob of a hill. Is a knob a part of a hill? 533: Uh well a knob is you know what you see sticking up you know like if you're over here and and you look out across there and there's trees and stuff you know but there's a little knob of a hill sticking up you know it look like a a bald head or something you know. A knob of a hill. A crest. You know. Point. Interviewer: Talking about here in the mountains what about the rocky side of a mountain that drops off sharp what would you call it? 533: Cliff. Interviewer: Yeah the plural too. 533: Yeah. Cliffs. With an F-S. Interviewer: Right. 533: Like a cliffhanger of a ballgame you know. Interviewer: Yeah. So you're the old gun firer so every time they've shot a person they would carve a? 533: A notch. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about a place where boats would stop on 533: That's a dock. Uh-huh yeah. Interviewer: They're called a wharf? 533: Well Uh the dock is where you tie the boat the wharf is what you walk on right? Going to the boat. Or going away from the boat. I don't know anyway that's the way I saw it. I can have {D: bass ackards} You know Who knows. Interviewer: Say a place in the mountains where water falls the longest that you 533: Waterfall. Interviewer: Huh okay. And uh what about the uh the road surfaces around here uh the stuff out there called uh whatever extension of Jackson what area what would you call that that surface? 533: What do you mean? Blacktop? Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah. The highway. It's just a highway. Interviewer: Okay. 533: The surface is you know asphalt. It's a blacktop road. Interviewer: And the sticky stuff is? 533: {NS} Uh tar really. Yeah. Interviewer: What about uh say something that the cows always walk down from the pasture but they're coming in from the 533: Path. Cow path. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever heard any word for a strip of grass between the street and the sidewalk? Maybe in residential areas? 533: Like a right of way? Is that what you mean? Interviewer: Uh you know you just got the street here 533: Or Interviewer: Sidewalk along it and it's just a strip of grass. back between the sidewalk. 533: Eh not especially no. Interviewer: Do you know where I'm talking about? 533: I know what you're talking about we don't have a lot of that around here because You know it's concrete roads and all and they just the sidewalk the street to side with side. What do they call that? Interviewer: {X} 533: Nah. Uh-uh Interviewer: Um Say if a dog jumped out that scared you you might pick up a 533: Stick. Interviewer: Or a 533: Rock. Interviewer: And 533: Chunk it at him. Throw it at him Interviewer: Right. 533: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Chunk it. 533: Well actually it probably should be chuck. You know. You upchuck. Right {NW} Me I vomit. Interviewer: Right. 533: But uh chunk Actually a chunk is- is a is a description of you know how big it is like a chunk of wood. But you can also chunk it at him you know. Or throw it at him. A lot of people say throw it. {C: pronunciation} T-H O Throw it at him. {C: pronunciation} So Interviewer: You vomit uh Is that a neutral term for you? Or is it does it have any kind of joking or derogatory connotation? 533: Well There's different classes of the word actually. {D: Uh I don't know if there's any claim to what it say you know.} I have an upset stomach well I don't know if that means you know. Uh have diarrhea or if they're throwing up. You know. Throwing up is probably the uh the clean slick way of saying but uh puke uh has a connotation of being putrid I think of Pepto-Bismol and you know yuck. Interviewer: #1 Alright {NW} # 533: #2 You know when I think of puke. # Uh something totally totally unacceptable you know I say ah I puke. You know. Uh vomit. Um Interviewer: What about barf? 533: Well I've heard that but you know. That's what people say after they've had college for two years you know. I thought I'd barf. You know like a barf being a dog {NW}. Interviewer: {NW} 533: You know. Interviewer: Did you say you upchuck is that? 533: Well no I heard that. You know. Time or two you know. Thought I'd upchuck. But I basically- I vomit. You know I throw up. Interviewer: Have you ever heard flash used like that? 533: Flash? Interviewer: During that you had to go flash. 533: No. If I had too much to drink and went to flash that means I showed my genitals to some lady in the hall you know what I mean. Yeah I flashed 'em {NW} you know. {X} You know. Interviewer: Toss your cookies? 533: Yeah no. Interviewer: Where's that? 533: No or get your cookies but that was what a woman was talking about one time you know. Interviewer: Okay. Uh. Alright. Uh if somebody if you're in the yard and someone comes um looking for uh she wants wants to talk to your wife and she's cooking say well she's 533: She's in the house. Interviewer: Specific? 533: Nah, she's cooking. Interviewer: What room she's 533: Uh she's in the kitchen. Interviewer: Okay. Uh {X} if you like your coffee uh with nothing in it say you? 533: I like it black. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: I don't Interviewer: Typically you like it milk? 533: Cream and sugar you mean? Interviewer: Just kind of 533: With milk? Interviewer: Just put a little Alright. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: No milk you'd #1 say I like it you know # 533: #2 Yeah mm-hmm # Interviewer: Just a 533: Without milk. Interviewer: #1 Sure okay. # 533: #2 Yeah # without. Interviewer: Any other terms for um I don't know if we talked about this or not for for uh coffee without anything in it? 533: No uh-uh we haven't Interviewer: Yeah what would you what would you call that? 533: Black coffee. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Anything else? 533: Uh straight. Interviewer: Sure. 533: Plain. Interviewer: Kay. 533: Just coffee. Interviewer: Ever heard barefooted? 533: No uh-uh. Interviewer: Uh if somebody is not going away from me you would say he's coming right? 533: Towards you. Interviewer: Okay. 533: T-O-R-J Towards. {C: pronunciation} Interviewer: Right. {NW} 533: #1 Coming at me. # Interviewer: #2 So sure. # 533: You know. Interviewer: Sure okay. Um somebody that you met. You weren't looking for 'em. You say I just sort of ran? 533: I run into him. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. And if uh? 533: Run across him maybe. Interviewer: Sure. If a girl is given a same name as her mother and you say that the parents named the child? 533: Named 'em after you know. Interviewer: Okay. If you wanted your dog to get after another dog what would you say? 533: Uh sic him on him. Sic him. Interviewer: What if you wanted him to cease hostility? You want him to stop. 533: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Come back to you. 533: {NW} I'd whistle at him I guess. {X} Bastard {NW} I mean you know just to get his attention you know. Interviewer: Say anything. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: Right. What about a dog that's not a pure breed. They sell different types? 533: Mongrel. What you're looking for we call 'em sooners. Interviewer: Sooners? 533: Yeah. {D: Russian sockers.} {D: A Russian socker.} It's kind of like a sooner you know or a see more. Well {X} rush up to something and sock her nose in it before she look you know and she didn't have sense to know you know. {D: A Russian socker.} A sooner eh just sooner you know sooner eat than hunt. And um you know see more you can see more of his tail and ears than anything. You know. Uh just a mutt. Really a mutt. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Mm-hmm. Half breed you know. Interviewer: {X} {X} 533: Oh {NW} Yeah That's kind of like sooner I guess. Interviewer: Yeah what about a little tiny noisy yapping dog that always gets to be a nuisance. Can you general word for a dog like that? 533: What you mean a derogatory term? Interviewer: Well it 533: You mean like a chihuahua feist? Yeah you know like a feist he's feisty. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah you know My- my I used to be feisty and still am I guess it's part of the you know. Interviewer: {NW} Okay. Uh you might say you better watch out for that dog it might? 533: He might bite you. Interviewer: Yesterday he? 533: He bit a man. Interviewer: He has? 533: {NW} Bitten a bunch of them before. Interviewer: Alright. And uh herded cattle what do you call them? 533: Bull. Interviewer: Can you remember a time when that wasn't polite usage in mixed company? 533: The bull? Well if you were talking about a you know a farm animal uh you could see some of the {NW} ladies you know turn their head a little bit. Uh but I don't know why. They wouldn't- it shouldn't bother them. unless they been out of the barn and looked at his nuts hanging down you know. Uh I mean he's a bull. I mean a bull yeah. Shouldn't bother them if I talk about it unless they look at mine hanging down. {NW} You know. I don't believe in all this you know uh uh what do you call it acquired innocence. I mean if you are you are. If you're not you're not. If you're black you're black. You're white your white. There's a few shades of gray but you know not many. But yeah I- I can remember that. Now bull when you said aw bull you know. Um Interviewer: Aw baloney. 533: Yeah baloney crap. You know. Interviewer: What about these animals big burly animals that would be plowing? 533: Ox? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What if you had two of 'em? 533: Mm we call 'em oxes but you know oxen I think is Interviewer: Would you call that a something of oxes? 533: Team. Mm-hmm. But you had a team of mules. Team of horses. You know team of dogs. Interviewer: Sure. What about if you have a cow that's expecting a calf you say that cow's going to? 533: She's springing. She's going to freshen in a few days. Is that what you mean? Interviewer: Yeah sure. 533: You know a horse you would say she's going to fold. Interviewer: The cow is springing? 533: Springing. Yeah I mean you know like we run an ad sometime for you know um uh eight hundred pure bred cows some springing some with calves inside When they're springing in others words uh you know put- put these three fingers in their ribs you know you tell if they're springers. You know it the the the calves inside springing up and down you know I don't know. She's fixing to freshen in a few days so. Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah. Uh well no just freshen Fixing to have a {D: calf I mean now} Interviewer: What about the male horse? 533: Uh stud. Well if it is a stud. Actually horse Well is it a horse or is a mare? You know. Right. You know. {D: Like a bull or a cow horse or a mare?} Interviewer: Were you going to say stallion? 533: Uh stallion would have the you know Like uh my friend that drug a stone some stallions you know he gives eight thousand and nine thousand dollars a piece for 'em gets a seven hundred fifty dollar stud fee. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: You know that's a stallion. Now a stud is just like me and you you know. He just hangs around a pasture and takes what he can get you know. {NW} Interviewer: Okay. {NW} What do you say you do on a horse you get on it? 533: You ride it. Interviewer: Yeah yesterday you? 533: He rode him. Interviewer: And you have? 533: You have ridden him you have rode him you know. Interviewer: Okay. If you can't stay on a horse you say you fell? 533: You fell off. He bucked you off. Interviewer: What about a kid who wakes up in the morning on the floor you can say my goodness? 533: Golly I fell off the bed. Not off from or off of. One of they- a lot of people say I fell off of the bed. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: You know. Double prepositions. Interviewer: What about the things you put on the bottom of the horse's feet to protect? 533: Shoes. Interviewer: You ever play a game with them? 533: Sure horseshoes. Interviewer: What about part of the horses foot they go on? 533: That's the hoof. Interviewer: More than one? 533: Well hooves. Hooves. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Should be hoof really I guess. Horse hoof. Like a house roof. Interviewer: Whatever you say. 533: Babe Ruth You know Interviewer: {NW} Babe Ruth. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: What about the male of a sheep what would you call them? 533: Well ram. You know. Interviewer: What about a big ram? 533: {NW} Third grade teacher might call him an ewe {C: pronunciation} one time. {NW} Interviewer: Really? 533: Yeah. {NW} I said and of course we don't have sheep around here you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: I said boy you are a dummy. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Heard about the sheep herder that went to take his driving test and the man and the patrol man ask him if he can take a U turn. Interviewer: {NW} 533: You know. {NW} Interviewer: Oh lord. {X} 533: I guess just for the hell of it I really never saw much use in it. No no kidding you know they got the wool. Uh you know of course it's I guess it's good meat I've never had a leg of lamb. You know. I had a little leg in my time. But no. Really I- I never had I- I wouldn't know. You know if it's any good. Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah. Yeah I've heard about that they saw the meat. Yeah. And {X} But anyway. Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah. Yeah. Well you know the you know the you seen the old movies the sheep herder come into town and the cowboys wouldn't sit close to him you know. {NW} {NW} Oh man yeah. Interviewer: Okay what would you call a male hog? 533: That's a boar. That's just a hog. You know they had it's a hog and a sow. You know. Interviewer: What about an unbred female? 533: Well shoat I mean you know. Interviewer: You ever heard of guilt? 533: Yeah. Guilt Farrows barrows and guilts you know right. Interviewer: You mean when you say barrow you mean? 533: Well uh a barrow would be the boar hog that has been {D: castracized.} Yeah he's a boar. I mean you know. and a barrow. Interviewer: Now that you mentioned what about a very a little one? 533: That's a pig. Piggy. Interviewer: And a little bigger than that but not quite adult size? 533: Uh still a pig. Interviewer: Would you ever use shoat? 533: Well you know shoat. Yeah shoat would be kind of the size you know. Piglet you know if you're got on your white shoes and your gloves. Interviewer: Right. 533: You know that'd be piglets. But a litter they come in litters you know. Interviewer: Yeah okay. What about these stiff hairs on hog's back? 533: Bristles. Like the brush the boar bristle brush? Interviewer: Right. What about their long teeth? 533: Tusks. Tusks {C: pronunciation} you know. Whatever tusks. Tusks {C: pronunciation} Interviewer: {NW} 533: big teeth. Interviewer: It's going to be a goody to transcribe. 533: Yeah. {NW} yeah. Interviewer: What about the thing that you pour feed in? 533: Trough. Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah troughs. Hog trough. Interviewer: What about a hog that's got {X}? 533: That's a wild hog. Interviewer: There's a razorback there? 533: No that's Arkansas. Yeah. They take a lot of pride in that. Not many of 'em either you know. It's kind of like rebels. There ain't many of them. Ain't have a lot of bulldogs either. {NW} Or Bengal tigers for that matter. Interviewer: Okay. What about the sound a calf makes maybe if it's hungry? 533: She's bawling Interviewer: What about a cow? 533: Huh she bawling too. You know. A mule brays. A horse neighs or sn- or nickers or snickers. {NW} You know. But um Interviewer: Okay. What about if you got 533: What- what do you call it that- that the donkey does? {NW} You know. Snort yeah. I guess yeah. Interviewer: {X} 533: No but you know have you ever heard 'em? You know a jack ass? {NW} Interviewer: You do that well. 533: A lot of practice. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Had to entertain yourself somehow you know. Interviewer: Sure. Uh what about animals like cows mules or horses you say got a lot of? 533: Well you know a lot of livestock. Huh farm animals. Interviewer: What about feathered animals ducks? 533: Fowl. Well they're fowls but it's just you know {NW} Birds. Interviewer: What about a hen on a nest egg trying to hatch out something? 533: {NW} Um setting hen. Yeah. Interviewer: And a place for a chicken to live? 533: Chicken house. And they stand on a you know uh we used to have 'em. The thing had a like poles you know like a tree you know a little bitty light tree and he bent it over and went up this way and he tacked it to the top of the chicken house. And then you tack these things on top. I think it's a roost you know. Chicken roost. Interviewer: {X} 533: A coop. A coop. Uh that's something that you know put two or three in usually to put two and you give up one at one end and one at the other you know and it was built you know from the middle out the little straps That's something you gotta take 'em over to grandma's house and yank their heads off and cook 'em for Sunday dinner you know chicken coop you know. Interviewer: What about a piece of the chicken say if you're frying it? The kids like to get something? 533: Pulley bone? Interviewer: Sure. Yeah. What's {X} to the story there? 533: Uh let me see now you put it under the table and make a wish and then you jerk it and the guy that gets the shortest part you know gets the wish. You know. There's variations on that. Some people say it's the longest part. Interviewer: Right. 533: I say hell eat the chicken and shut up. I don't care. I {NW} Interviewer: Okay um have you ever heard any general term or comprehensive term for the inside parts of a hog that are edible? You might not eat it but they are edible. 533: Chitterlings? Interviewer: Okay. 533: I mean you know. Chitterlings that's hog intestines yeah. And it Interviewer: Are these harder to taste? 533: Yeah but you know. Interviewer: Yeah. #1 Have you ever heard # 533: #2 Guts # Interviewer: {X} 533: No. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 533: #2 Uh-uh # Around here see especially well a lot of people then eat they eat the brains. They eat the ears. They eat pickled pigs feet. They eat pig tails. They eat chitterlings. Yeah you know knuckles man damn. {NS} Sausage about all I can handle and a little ham now and then. {NW} But uh #1 but here we go yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Hogs # 533: Whole hog sausage you know what that means? They even got the feet in there man. You know whole hog sausage ears eyes. Well you {NS} like that a lot when you're eating it too you know. {NW} And then the heart spots out you know. Interviewer: {X} What about uh this expression that farmers Say if it's getting a little late. you might say well like it's not so late it's right on the 533: Sundown. Interviewer: Or it will say these animals are carrying over because they're hungry. 533: Right. Feeding time? Interviewer: Sure. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: Hey you ever heard a farmer call his cattle {X}? 533: {NW} Mm-hmm Interviewer: That's the cow. 533: That's the cow. The hogs it's a {NW} Don't know why but it is. Interviewer: To get 'em to come to you? 533: Yeah. {NW} You know like that. They have a hog calling contest. Had a uncle a great uncle who one time won. I believe it's held in Missouri. They also have a bear calling contest. Interviewer: #1 It's called a bear # 533: #2 Uh # Interviewer: {X} 533: I don't know just bare necessity I guess. Interviewer: {NW} 533: But you call a horse like this {NW} That little soft whistle {NW} That way. You know. And uh you know. Interviewer: Would you call calves any different way than cows? 533: S- calf. You know just a bit lighter. You know you you call the word calf. Well I don't know I guess it's just what they get used to like teaching a kid language. A girl like said you said you- you whistle like a dog. {NW} But a horse {NW}. Interviewer: Hmm. 533: I don't know. But uh You try to go to the pasture and get one of my horses just come out there going {NW}. And they'll look at you like Hey fool I'm eating you know. They just won't do it. It's what they get used to. Interviewer: You got into this the other day uh when you were talking about making a turn in town but what you would say to the horse when you are turning your plow? 533: Well if you want to go right you say gee. If you want to go left you say ha. If you want to stop you say whoa. And uh your mule especially any of that you know you didn't have to Gee. {C: prolonged} {NW} gee you know. And they just eased to the right. Just a little bit you know to get off the top of the road. And uh you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah. What if you were riding a horse and you wanted to get him started? 533: {NW} Get up. You know. Interviewer: Mm-kay. 533: Or come up. Get up was when he was on and come up was when he was buying him driving him you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Come up Interviewer: You mentioned a call to get pigs to come to you. What if you want them to scatter? 533: Sooey. Sooey pig. You know. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Why I don't know? That's weird. Interviewer: {NW} Have you ever heard people kind of talk to their pigs when they're feeding 'em? 533: Sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Pigs are smart. Interviewer: Would they I mean you know something that might say uh 533: Bullshit {X} Interviewer: Do you do that kind of thing? 533: Here piggy piggy piggy what's going on you know and just you know. Interviewer: Would you only say that when you're feeding them? 533: Uh no you can get 'em to come to you that way you know. Here piggy piggy piggy piggy. You know. And uh Interviewer: What about chickens? 533: Uh What do you mean how to call 'em? Interviewer: Yeah. 533: You can just cluck. You know. Interviewer: Sure. 533: Cluck 'em. {NW} chick chick chick chick Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Course you know we we can do all of the sounds you know. {NW} {NW}. You know and uh you know. {NW} And you can call snakes. Yeah call snakes many of them. Interviewer: Call snakes? 533: You can call a snake. Interviewer: Oh. 533: Different ways. Interviewer: {X} 533: No there's a different way. {NW} I don't know. Snakes you know like chicken snakes and all you know they eat rats and they eat you know rabbits and all you gotta do is you know just {NW} Like that you got to be where you know the snakes are you know you gotta be in the barn down in the slew or out there where you used to throw the old rubber tires you know they're there anyway. It takes a while because snakes are pretty slick man. Well there are more ways than one. And you you know you can smell you can smell 'em. Interviewer: Right. 533: Yeah uh-huh. Interviewer: {NW} 533: For a guy with no ears they're pretty slick do you know what I mean. Interviewer: Okay {NW}. What about if you wanted to get your horse ready to go somewhere? Put on the bridle and uh the uh saddle and that and say you're going? 533: You're saddling him up. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh what about if you were going to get him ready to {X} 533: Well are you still hooking him up? Interviewer: Well the harness? 533: Well you harnessing him up. You know. Interviewer: For the buggy are you? 533: Yeah you know mm-hmm. Sure. Get him ready to plow you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: That kind of. Interviewer: What about the kinds of things you hold in your hands when you're riding the horse? 533: The reigns. Mm-hmm bridle reigns. And of course if you're plowing it's plow lines. Interviewer: Plow lines damn. What about what you put your feet in? 533: Stirrups. Which rhymes with syrup. You know which means you better stick to it you know? Interviewer: {NW} 533: Mm. Interviewer: {X} 533: Oh man You know there's uh this uh this old city lady went out to the farm one time and uh and this farmer asked her said you want a saddle with a horn without a horn? She said well hell it don't seem to be much traffic out here I'm guessing I can do without one. You know. {NW} Oh wow. Sorry about that I know you didn't come here for fun and games. Interviewer: Oh no {D: It's a treat} What about {X} If you had two horses hitched to a wagon anything in particular that you would call the horse on the right? 533: Call 'em you know like lead horse? I mean if if well but that would if you had like four horses you know. You know something like that you know your lead side. Interviewer: Or which one exactly is he the one? 533: Well usually you have your pick. Yeah he is where most people put them because right's the strong side. Right I mean it's the old genealogical theory of {X} ego I don't know. Crap on Freud I don't think he knew what he was doing. Sat around and played with hisself all the time. Interviewer: {NW} 533: But um Uh You know you had old red or old Jim or old Nig Nig was the black one. You know. You got that yeah. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Uh Interviewer: Okay. Say this expression if something is not right here or at hand you say it's just a little over? 533: Mm-hmm. It's a little far over. Interviewer: Okay. 533: What do you mean? Interviewer: Just a little way ways? 533: Yeah just a little ways over. Over yonder. Yonder is a big word. Interviewer: Say if you've been traveling and you're not yet finished where you going. Say you gotta go to- to Nashville and you stopped in Jackson so you still gotta? 533: If I was going to Nashville I'd stop in Jackson I went the wrong way you know. Yeah. Interviewer: {X} 533: But any way yeah I know what you mean uh. You know say I got a little piece to go you know. Interviewer: Sure. 533: It's the old joke of the guys. Wife hollers where you going say I'm going down the road for a little peace. Interviewer: {NW} 533: She didn't know right yeah. {NW} Pulled a gun and said you {D: said I bet you do you ain't going nowhere.} Interviewer: Okay something that something very common you don't have to look for it in spatial place you say you can find that just about? 533: Just about anywhere? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: Or anywheres. Interviewer: Alright. 533: {NW} Interviewer: If I fell down and fell that way, you'd say I'd fell? 533: Frontwards. {C: pronunciation} Forward. Interviewer: Okay and that way? 533: Backwards. {C: pronunciation} Or backwards. Fell back. Interviewer: Uh 533: They used to now they say you know uh were y'all going summers? {C: pronunciation} Which was short for somewheres. You know. Interviewer: Uh 533: Summers. Interviewer: Say if you been fishing just had miserable luck. And the first thing somebody asks you is say how do you do? What would you probably say? 533: Not too good. Had a bad day. Interviewer: You ever heard people around here say anything like {X} 533: Yeah mm-hmm. Nary a one. Mm-hmm. Well a lot of times now we use that kind of stuff kind of a joking like manner. You know what I mean. I say man I ain't seen {X} Well you know I would say that around anybody you know. But uh they know exactly what I mean. This is the funny thing about like I was talking about with my Spanish friend a while ago. We started talking about that uh to give you an idea of how many how we Americans use words you know we got forty nine dozen words that mean the same thing. And uh {D: Benny Peacock} came up in uh {X} who was from Honduras. And I wish I could see him he was a great guy. Um had a crush on Marsha she was cute. Man she was cute. Well Benny Peacock was the kind with his hair three inches over his ears that glasses looked like the bottom of a Coke bottle. You know I mean it would've looked alright is he had combed his hair different and wore a different kind of glasses I mean you know no shame he just needed a you know look at hisself and saw ah I'm going to turn this around a little bit. His pants were up to high over his ankles you know high waters and white socks and the funky shoes you know. {D: Clodhoppers} And he said you know they played cards they played spades and setback and all that crap. I never did have time for that you know. and chase abroad chase abroad going to work go to work you know. Hmm. But um So he asked Marsha. He said hey uh play a little cards do you have a deck? And {X} come unglued. And he started to jump on Benny Peacock and I grabbed him. {NW} And I pulled him back over and say what's wrong? He said but Rick that son of a bitch know I don't have no woman have no deck. Interviewer: {NW} 533: You know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Woman don't have no deck. {X} No deck. Interviewer: {NW} 533: And uh Interviewer: {NW} 533: So oh you know and he he missed it just a little bit. Interviewer: {X} 533: But I mean you know around here you know like I said we we have our words. You know and if I say I ain't seen high in hair that booger well you know uh they know that they that means I hadn't seen him. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: And they you know if the question is have you seen Bill man he said high in hair that booger. That means tan him out to uh-uh. No. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Kind of like David {X} and Johnny Carson you know in- in Philadelphia they say Uh gee no Jew you know. Interviewer: {NW} Sure. 533: Did you eat? No did you? No. Gee no Jew. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Uh we do that kind of kind of stuff. You know and they do everywhere. And I guess that's what makes it caused difficulties right? {NW} Interviewer: Right okay. {NS} What you call the trenches that are cut out by a plow? 533: Row. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: Some people call 'em furrows. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 533: Huh. Interviewer: Okay. If you have a big yield you say you raise big? 533: Good crop. Interviewer: And if you got some land with bushes and trees on it you wanna put it in cultivation. What do you say you do to it? 533: You gotta clear it. Interviewer: Okay. 533: You know push it off it depends um what it is you actually gotta do you know. Interviewer: Say if uh if a farmer just cut his hay off and when it comes back again a second time what do you call that? 533: What do you mean it comes back to do what? Interviewer: Well if it's just gonna just grows again? 533: Oh he's just gonna clip it. You know. Cut it. {NW} Interviewer: You call that a second crop? 533: Oh it's a second cutting. Yeah mm-hmm. Interviewer: What would you call something that uh comes up in a field even though you didn't plant it. 533: You mean like wild grass? Interviewer: No what say if gotta a field of beans a cob of corn comes up that you didn't plant. 533: Well. It's- it's still considered a wild just came up wild you know. Interviewer: Ever heard it call it volunteer crop? 533: Yeah. Volunteer tomatoes and stuff like that yeah. But you know volunteer is like you had a whole row or something. You know I mean Uh wild would be just an occasional you know and a forty acre patch you had one stalk of corn and counted three soybeans you know. Interviewer: Right. 533: That would mean some idiot down at the feed mill you know {NW} messed up on the shipment you know right. Interviewer: I don't know if you ever grew wheat around here. 533: No. Interviewer: Say you cut wheat. You would gather it and tie it up and cut up into a? 533: Uh a stack I guess. I think they call it something else when it's wheat. like a a sh- not a shook. Shank? Shack? Shock okay shock yeah. Shock around here reminds you of pancakes. {D: You know Shockleys.} Interviewer: {X} 533: Well I don't know like I said didn't have much wheat around here. Interviewer: Okay. Very roughly how much corn an acre did you say you could yield? 533: A good yield? Well depends uh you can get to seventy-five hundred bushel something like that. If you're sharp. Interviewer: What would you say you did to oats separating the grain from the {X}? 533: I what do you mean? Kind of like thinning out you know chopping cotton? I don't know. Interviewer: You say thrash? 533: Yeah you- you could trash it you can thrash wheat thrash oats yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Some pronouns I'm going to ask you about. Say we're not using names we gotta do a job together you would say that and have to do this. 533: Well it depends on if I was using the prepositional type you know subject uh you and me. You and I. Interviewer: Sure okay. 533: Him and I him and me. Interviewer: Alright what about a girl? 533: Me and her. Us and y'all. You know. Interviewer: Okay. Uh What if you say that job's not for one of us but it's for? 533: Both of us. My daddy would say both. Interviewer: Okay. Say if you were going to identify yourself. Again without using your name you knock on the door. 533: Hey it's me. Interviewer: #1 Sure. # 533: #2 Yeah. # Who is it it's me right. Hate that don't you? That's about as hello who is this? Who the hell you wanna talk to? You know you called my number you tell me who I am. Interviewer: Say if you were identifying another adult without using his name. You would say that? 533: I'd say Who him? Yeah. Yeah that's him. Interviewer: Okay what about? 533: Well actually that is he. That is she. But uh I'd say yeah that's her. Interviewer: What about several peoples' names. 533: Yeah that's them. Interviewer: Okay. 533: That's the Hatfields. You know. Interviewer: Right. Comparing how tall you are. You say he's not as tall as 533: He not as tall as me. Interviewer: Okay or the other way around I'm not as 533: I'm not as tall as him. Interviewer: Okay um 533: I realize that's improper but in casual conversation you know yeah that's yeah. Me and one of my asshole buddies that's how we talk. Interviewer: If something belongs to me you say that? 533: It's yours. Interviewer: Alright it belongs to both of us? 533: Yeah it's ours. And some people say {X} That's {X} There's an old man in the hospital one time he's about eighty. His old nurse come bouncing in you know and he'd been laying there three days just barely knew he was in the world. She come in good morning Mr. Jones. He said how you doing? She said I came in today I want some urine. He said man damn I been kind of wanting some of urine too but I scared to ask for it. You know {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 533: {NW} So you know it's uh different generations say different things you know what I mean? Interviewer: Uh 533: {NW} Interviewer: lord. {NW} 533: We're not getting much anywhere are we? Interviewer: Oh no we're doing fine. {X} Uh we've been talking about y'all. What about the possessive of that? 533: Y'all's. That's y'all's house. Interviewer: Sure. 533: That's y'all's car. Interviewer: Do people around here say y'all's? 533: Uh not so much. That's y'all's We don't say that any much. That's kind of like {X} You know. Interviewer: Okay. 533: {NW} Interviewer: Say this is a question if I had been to a party you didn't get to go and I was telling you about it afterwards and you wanted to know who's as the party what would you ask? 533: You know who was there? Was they there? Interviewer: Okay. 533: You know. Bill and Tom was they there? Interviewer: #1 Sure. # 533: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: Now if I if I had been to your speaker. And you didn't get to go out and I was telling you about it you know if you wanted to say what would you ask? 533: You know how'd he do? You know. Interviewer: Or? 533: Or what did he have to say? Was he okay? What about him? Interviewer: Sure do you ever hear people around here say who all was there and what all did they say? 533: Yeah uh-huh right. Right. Interviewer: Could you say that for me? 533: Yeah who all was there? You know. What all did he talk about? Interviewer: Uh 533: Was that wrong? {NW} Interviewer: No. 533: Oh okay. Interviewer: Oh that's a 533: Nothing is wrong. There's no wrongs and no right, right? It's just like I said if- if people know what you're talking about it's right you know. Interviewer: Okay. Um this reflexive if if no one else will do it for him you say he's gotta do it? 533: Hisself. Interviewer: Uh would you ever say anything different for him? 533: Uh by himself. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Alone. You know. I despise the use of the word myself. You know when people say uh uh you know myself and Bob. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 533: That ain't right. That ain't right. That's just like saying me and you. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: That's shit I don't like that. Interviewer: {NW} 533: You know I mean this is people like people Walter Cronkite and Tom Snyder you know it's a Well as for myself. Well sure it's for yourself. Idiot. I mean you know as for me for me. Myself uh Interviewer: What would you have 533: It does it just {D: gull tail} out if me I You know I mean I think people in that position uh there's some words that I don't like and like I said home you know hey he sold his home. How can you do that? You know you sell your wife and kids and. You know as for myself. Well what other self do you ask for? You know. Uh as for me I mean that's a proper use of the word it's prepositional. It's the object of the preposition. It joins the phrase ah you know. As for me I just don't like when you say that. Interviewer: We associate the black usage that uh irritates you. 533: What do you mean? Interviewer: What it is. 533: Oh yeah what it is T city. Yeah well you know that's just crap. You know that's just talk. Hey brother you know. You know and I you know I carry on with 'em I put up with it. But if they get serious and say uh listen brother I say look motherf- you ain't my brother. And don't be coming and giving me that shit. Uh yeah yeah what it is you know how y'all you know and hey I don't- I don't know. you know you see that stuff I think they just see that stuff on TV and they just all accept it right quick. I don't you know. It's alright. It's ignorance. Interviewer: You know something else. What about the different types of bread that come to mind? 533: Hmm loaf bread. Which a lot of people call light bread or white bread. Sliced bread. There's cornbread and loaf bread. Rolls buns biscuits and a roll and a biscuit's different. And you know and uh And a canned biscuit is different from a biscuit biscuit. Interviewer: {NW} 533: My mother made cat head biscuits. who which you know we just call biscuits but you know she just mixes out flour passes it out of her hand {NW}. Throws it in a bucket I mean throws it in the little flat thing you know. And you know and cooks it and whenever it finishes cooking it's got little knots on it you know little places where the flour overlapped you know. Looks like a cat's head you know it got little eyes there some shut some open some dark. Uh never had a green eye but anyway. Interviewer: Right okay. Something to say that they basically there's just two types of bread. There's type you made at home. That's homemade bread. 533: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: By the store that's? 533: Mm-hmm store bought bread I guess. Bought bread {NW} But then there's day old bread. I don't know. Interviewer: Okay. Talking about cornbread what would you call the stuff made with corn meal? In round spheroids with onions and particularly with fish? 533: Uh hush puppies. They're not necessarily round. They can be oblong square flat. Interviewer: Sure. 533: Ugly yeah right. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Hush puppies. Interviewer: Yeah. What about uh Does hoe cake mean anything to you? 533: Hoe cake? I tea cake is what I think of. We used to call 'em tea cakes. Uh It's just a sometimes you know made with a peanut butter and flour base. Sometimes it's just milk sugar flour. Interviewer: Right made with corn meal. 533: No well that's a fritter. Oh that kind of hoe cake. Oh I know what you're talking about now. You're talking about a muffin. You talking Yeah uh {NW} Alright the cornbread muffin. Looks like a blueberry muffin but it's made out of cornbread. Okay? Interviewer: That's a fritter? 533: No that's a corn that's a muffin. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Alright now fritter is cornbread like you might fry on the grill you know you you know you uh you can you fry fritters. You know it's just a little bitty thin- it's like a pancake but it's made out of cornbread. Okay? Uh hoe cake That could go under the same thing I always thought of a tea cake. Which is a sweet you know something for a kid you know. Tea cake uh cookie. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: You know. Homemade cookie. Interviewer: Do people around here talk about corn pone or a pone of corn? 533: No that's what Yankees call 'em when Do you have any corn pone? You know it's corn bread. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 533: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a corn dodger? 533: No. Interviewer: Never heard of that. 533: No. That sound like a a drunk baseball player. A corn dodger. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 533: #2 Right. Yeah. # {NS} Interviewer: What about {X}{NS}? 533: Well A Johnny cake I thought of you know tea cakes too. You know just like I said a little cookie homemade cookie. Actually the raw yellow dough is much better than the finished product. {NW} Interviewer: Alright okay. 533: {NW} Interviewer: We were talking about pancakes have you ever heard them called anything else? 533: Flap jacks. Mm pancakes a lot of people call 'em waffles which they ain't. But you know flap jacks pancakes. Interviewer: Hot cakes? 533: Yeah hot cakes. Short stack. Interviewer: {NW} right. 533: You know the stack. Interviewer: About how much garbage would you take out {X} 533: Mm {NW} five pounds. Interviewer: {NS} Okay. And two words for an egg there's? 533: The yolk and the white. I mean the yolk and the yellow. Or the white and the yellow. Interviewer: Okay. What about different ways to cook an egg? 533: Uh you can fry 'em. Basically I eat 'em scrambled on my lap but you can fry 'em over easy soft hard you can boil 'em poach 'em. You know. Interviewer: Okay what would call a piece of egg that you boil? 533: Streak of lean {D: Sow Billy} Fat back. Interviewer: {D: Sow Billy} fat back. 533: Well yeah you know. It's just a term you know it's the fat part under the sow you know with within the sow's belly where there's a lot of fat you know. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Fat back. Interviewer: Meat that you might slice thin to eat for breakfast? 533: Bacon. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about a man who sells meat? 533: Yeah butcher. You know basically. Interviewer: Okay. Thinking about a lot of bacon {NS} without having it sliced? 533: You mean a slab? Interviewer: Sure. 533: Yeah that's good too man. Most time though that's coming to the term of streak lean because it's got one of those streak lean down the middle of it you know. Streak lean. Interviewer: You ever heard that called middling? 533: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Same thing? 533: Mm-hmm. Yeah roughly. You know you would not uh not that much difference in 'em you know. Uh Interviewer: Could you say that for me? 533: What middling? Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah it's kind of like streak of lean. Interviewer: Uh what about if you slice some bacon off a slab? You'd probably want to cut that tough part off. 533: Yeah. Skin. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah rind. {NS} The hair in 'em {NS} Interviewer: Say if you kept meat for too long you'd say it's done what? {NS} 533: Got old. I mean {NS} old meat. {NS} And depends on what it is. Some of it can sour. Some of it can turn green. I mean I have a Interviewer: Little rank I suppose. 533: Yeah. Rank. You know it's rank. {D: Asphalt burnt} Interviewer: Okay. 533: You know. {X} ruins. It ain't no good if it don't ruin. Buttermilk has to ruin before it's buttermilk see. Interviewer: {NW} What about butter it's that way? It's gotten bad. 533: Hmm well uh butter you would just say you know uh ruined. Now milk that gets that way is blinky. Interviewer: Blinky? 533: Right blinky milk is the kind you had when you milk the old one cow and she ate bitter weeds. Or wild onions. The milk tasted blinky. I mean it's like having bad breath from eating lasagna right? {NW} Interviewer: Have you ever heard anybody say that butter's got a funky taste to it? It's got a funky? 533: Yeah funky but that's that's a new term. Interviewer: Yeah what does that mean? 533: Just anything that's away from the norm. Tastes funky. Uh My pipe has a funky smell. You know. So I guess I'm fixing to get funky because I'm fixing to fire that heifer up. Interviewer: Get down. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: What about what could you make with a meat from a hog's head? 533: Hmm I don't know. Interviewer: {X} 533: Oh well we don't fool with that kind of stuff. Yeah sow's I've heard of it. Sow's meat never knew what it was. Is that was it is? Hog brains? Interviewer: Well not exactly the brains but the 533: Ears eyes? Interviewer: All that. 533: The inlets and outlets. Interviewer: {NW} Sure. Anything that you could make by cooking and grinding up hog liver? {NS} 533: Cooking and grinding up hog liver? Yeah hash I guess I mean you know. Interviewer: What do you think like 533: Mix it up in with your turnip greens. You know what I mean. Interviewer: Liver sausage uh? 533: No liver cheese. #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 533: No. We wasn't that fancy. His liver hell is liver you know. Interviewer: You ever heard of anyone around here making a thing with the blood from a hog? Blue pudding white pudding? 533: No. I mean I've heard it but I mean you know just in talking but I've never known anyone to really do it. Knew a guy one time that drank duck's blood. Supposed to have some type of super effect and you know he still weighs about a hundred and four. Ugly. Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah. Uh then well his brain is what needed it. If he had poured it between his ears it would have been alright. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Fill up that hole you know. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of scrapple? 533: Yeah it's a game you play on a table. You know and you make up words. Interviewer: #1 Scrapple? # 533: #2 Oh. # Scrapple nah. No. Interviewer: What about fixed sour milk that women would keep on hand in the kitchen? 533: Buttermilk? Clabbered milk? Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah clabbered milk. Uh clabbered milk's good. Lot of times what we used to call buttermilk which is clabbered milk you know. There's a difference in the buttermilk and clabbered milk. Slightly but {NW} You know. Interviewer: What about that white stuff that people go on diets eat a lot? 533: Cottage cheese? Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: And say if you just milked your cow something you could do to the milk to get some of the impurities out? 533: Oh you could pasteurize it. Interviewer: Or? 533: Or you know boil it really. Interviewer: Or pouring it through a? 533: You could strain it oh like we used to. Yeah we used to strain it through an old shirt. {NW} strain it. The guy that came in and and uh wanted to take a milk bath and he said make sure it's pasteurized. You know. Damn that's a lot of milk. Interviewer: What about a 533: That's your eyes but anyway. Interviewer: A dessert you could make in a deep dish say with apple slices or peach slices and had a thick crust? 533: You mean like a pie? Apple pie? Interviewer: Not exactly a pie. 533: Maybe not a pudding? Uh you talking about a you know like Interviewer: It kind of goes all the way through. 533: It's It's more or less fried and real sugary like a cobbler? Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Yeah a cobbler okay. Interviewer: This expression someone that has a good appetite you say he really likes to put away his? 533: Grub. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: Ever hear vittles? 533: Yeah vittles uh Vittles is you know kind of like terms grazing fat back. Grub is just a anything that goes under {X} crosses table you know what I mean. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Right. {NW} Interviewer: What about a sweets uh liquor you might pour over a pudding? 533: Sauce. You know. Sweet sauce. Interviewer: Food that you eat between meals you call a? 533: Snack. Nibbling. Interviewer: Okay and at seven o clock in the morning you say you breakfast? 533: Ate. We don't say ate. Interviewer: {NW} You have? 533: I have eaten. Interviewer: And I will? 533: I'll eat again. By golly. Interviewer: Uh If you want your thirsty in the summer time you might just go in the kitchen and pour yourself a? 533: Glass of tea. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Uh 533: From the pitcher. Interviewer: Right and if you do like so with the glass it will probably? 533: Uh it'd break. Interviewer: Yeah okay. You did that and it 533: And it broke. Interviewer: You have? 533: Busted the sucker all over the floor right. {NW} Uh yeah you've broken it right uh-huh. Interviewer: And if you're very thirsty I might ask you how much would you? 533: Drink. Interviewer: Well yesterday I? 533: I drank a lot. Interviewer: {X} 533: Drinking all my life. Interviewer: Or you have? 533: Drank. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Uh I have drunk. Which I never did like yeah {NW} you know. Interviewer: Say if you had some friends over for a meal. Uh they're all standing around the table and you don't want them to continue standing so you go ahead? 533: Y'all have a seat. Interviewer: Or down. 533: Yeah sit down. Interviewer: So they went ahead. 533: And they sat down. Interviewer: They have? 533: They have sat there all day. The food ain't ready. {NW} Interviewer: And if uh You don't want to wait until something's passed to them 533: Y'all just reach and get it. Make yourself at home. You know. Interviewer: Or yourself? 533: You know I'll pass it to you. You know. What you mean? Interviewer: Go ahead yourself? 533: Go ahead and help yourself yeah. Right. Interviewer: So I went ahead and? 533: And they helped theirselves you know. They've been helping themselves all day. Right? Helped themselves. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: If somebody passed you something that you didn't like what would you say? 533: No thank you or don't believe I do. Pass it on. Interviewer: What should we say if you were among close friends or you were at a formal? 533: If it's at a formal or something like that I would go ahead and eat it. Interviewer: Oh okay. 533: Yeah. You know. Interviewer: Right. 533: There are very few things that I just simply can't stand. Uh but but then there's also an equal number of very few that I totally despise. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Among which would be dumplings and boiled okra. Interviewer: Did you say despised? 533: Yeah totally totally just can live without if they never make any more. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Boiled okra have you ever eaten boiled okra? You know I have to cross my legs man I start {NW} Right down you know. Interviewer: What about {X}? 533: Uh it's alright I ain't crazy about it. You know. Suits me. Interviewer: Alright. Just talking about food in general. {X} What do you call food that's been uh heated and served a second time? 533: Warmed up. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Warm up the peas. Interviewer: Yeah what do you call the food that {X} 533: Yeah supper dinner I mean whatever the meal is you mean peas butter beans? Interviewer: Well like leftovers. 533: Oh yeah leftovers yeah you're right. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. And you say you put the food into your mouth that you can give to? 533: Chew it up. Interviewer: What about something like cornmeal or boiled water if you add a little salt kind of soupy stuff. Anything done like that? 533: No like dumplings? Course that would dough it wouldn't be meal. Interviewer: Yeah not exactly dumplings. more like mush or cush. 533: Nah. Mm-mm. Mm. Interviewer: {X} 533: That's goulash. Interviewer: Goulash. 533: Yeah but I mean I never eat that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Uh thinking like peas beets carrots stuff like that they are all different kinds of? 533: They're vegetables. Interviewer: Okay. And particularly with southern food white ground up corn typically? 533: Mm what do you mean? Uh Interviewer: Well it's just ground up corn. It's white you have it usually it's just 533: Oh like oats? Interviewer: {X} 533: I mean oatmeal oh Grits. Interviewer: #1 Sure. # 533: #2 Yeah. # I was thinking quite ground up corn Interviewer: What about whole kernel? 533: {NW} Interviewer: You used to boil it and wash it. 533: Hominy. Interviewer: Sure. 533: Yeah. Don't like it. Interviewer: Don't like {X}? 533: {NW} Tastes like chewing Styrofoam you know? Interviewer: {NW} Okay. And the starchy food that's growing in flooded fields in Louisiana? 533: Oh rice. Yeah. {NS} Interviewer: Say sugar when it was sold straight out of a barrel before it sold packaged it. How would you say it was being sold? 533: Hmm that's Out of the sugar barrel. Mm-hmm. yeah. Interviewer: Would you ever say it's been sold in a B-U-L-K? 533: Bulk Interviewer: yeah 533: yeah. Bulk. My daddy would call it he said bulk. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 533: Uh yeah mm-hmm. But I think of bulk to mean uh you know like giant containers. Interviewer: #1 Right. # 533: #2 You know. # Which I guess uh {NS} you know that would be but I thinking of like a whole bin full you know. Interviewer: Okay. And uh condiments that everybody has shakers for. 533: Mm salt pepper. Interviewer: #1 Sure. Okay. # 533: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Say if I had a bowl of oranges and apples and uh offered it to you. You might say well I don't think I care for an orange but 533: Give me an apple. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. Um What would you say that the opposite of rich is? 533: Poor. Interviewer: Okay. And what would you call a lot of fruit trees growing together? 533: Orchard. Interviewer: Alright. {NS} What about the inside part of a cherry? The hardest part. 533: Uh the pit? Yeah. Kind of like an olive. Interviewer: What about a peach? 533: Oh that's a seed. Interviewer: Do you distinguish between peaches say the meat of the peach is tied against the seed. Do you have to get in there and cut it out? Whereas in some other peaches 533: Just snap it open. Interviewer: Yeah. 533: Nah. Interviewer: You don't 533: {NW} Interviewer: say use the term clear seed? {X} 533: Nah. Interviewer: No to any of that? 533: Well around here peach is just a peach you know what I mean? It's a {NW} just a no uh-uh. They all come from somewhere else except for the few that's grown on the delta you know? So a peach is a peach. You can have little peaches you know the dwarf looking things but good peach and a bad peach but it's a peach. Interviewer: Mm-hmm okay. Do you wanna stop? #1 What about the part of the apple that's # 533: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: left after you 533: It's a core. Interviewer: Okay. Uh do people around here ever slice up fruit like apples or peaches and let 'em sit out and dry? 533: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Interviewer: What did 533: It's just you know just dried apples. Well uh you can use 'em for a lot of different things uh some people you know make pies out of 'em you know and jellies and they squash 'em up. You know after they've dried a while. {NW} But um And some people uh not in large quantities but they just uh {NS} you know cut 'em up in a like that for perfuming reasons you know. You know you can put 'em in like a pantry or something like that you know. If you're gonna let 'em dry you know make the place smell good. Interviewer: Right. 533: Also draw flies and neighborhood kids. {NW} Interviewer: Have you ever heard of {X}? 533: Mm-mm. Interviewer: For dried fruit? 533: No. I thought you were talking about a disease like diarrhea. You know Interviewer: {NW} 533: It's got a little {X} Yeah. Interviewer: What about uh different kinds of nuts that grow around here. 533: Well A hicker nut is a nut that grows on a hickory tree. and you know us Southerners a hicker nut. We had to shorten it a little bit. People kept talking about a hickory nut. Uh yeah you have chestnuts uh also acorns. Course scaly bark uh really they call them scaly barks but it's a type of tree. It's a some breed of a the hickory and the bark is scaly. It's a scaly barked tree. And it has a nut on it just like a hickory nut but we call 'em scaly barks. Them suckers man they got a hard shell. You can take a sack of 'em and run over them with a car and they won't break and you just have to beat the devil out of them. But they're good you know. Just make scaly bark pies and all that stuff. Interviewer: What about nuts that grow on the ground? 533: Oh you mean peanuts? Oh goobers yeah. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard it called ground peas around here? 533: No. Ground peas? Man. Peanuts and goobers. You know? Interviewer: Any walnuts? 533: Uh well yeah yeah if you want it's not your English type you have the still black hard walnuts you know black walnuts and uh they're pretty good. If you can get all of the pieces of the whole out of them. Which you usually can't but uh you know. That kind of stuff. Interviewer: What about these nuts the squirrels are bad about eating in front of the trees. 533: Acorns? Interviewer: That or uh uh kind of a O shaped oblong You know they make pies out of 'em. Eat 'em salty. 533: Oh you mean pecans? Interviewer: Sure. 533: Yeah well squirrels and pecans around here it it mostly you know it- it's acorns you know. It's not- not really enough pecan trees. It just took me a while to figure out what you're talking about. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Uh hmm. And uh I was trying to think of another kind of nut. But anyway. Interviewer: Okay what do you call this kind of nut that I believe a candy bar is made out of? It's called a 533: Almond? Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 533: #2 Yeah. # Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. And the citrus fruit that that grows in Florida and California? 533: Orange. Why can't blacks say that? They say orange. Notice OJ Simpson doing this advertisement for {D: Real Sweet} They only use the word orange one time. because it's you know a black just can't say they say orange. But it orange. drive that orange car. Interviewer: Right. 533: You know and they can say other words perfectly but orange they cannot say orange. Interviewer: And the plural form you'd say? 533: Oranges. Yeah. Interviewer: What about uh okay a few types of vegetables this small red colored root vegetable. Kind of hot? 533: Radish? Interviewer: Sure. 533: Yeah radish. Radish. Interviewer: What about the plural form of that? 533: No Radishes. Interviewer: Okay. These uh do you have any of these small variety of the uh tomatoes around here that don't get much bigger than about that? 533: {NW} Well around here you can grow just about anything like that you know but uh I don't it don't ring a bell other than Interviewer: Cherry tomatoes? 533: Yeah. Interviewer: Tomatoes. 533: Cherry tomatoes you know. Interviewer: {X} 533: Mm And cherry tomatoes yeah you know you can see 'em in a place in like Bonanza You know when you get a salad you know they got a bucket of them . Don't really like 'em you know. Interviewer: Okay. What about a couple of different types of potatoes? 533: Well there's sweet potatoes mashed potatoes you know. Interviewer: Every heard of sweet potatoes called anything? 533: Yeah spuds yams you know. Poot roots. Yeah. {NW} Interviewer: What? 533: Poot roots. Uh Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah I mean you know this this that old saying an apple a day keeps a doctor away but a potato a day keeps everybody away you know. Uh I don't know why it's supposed to I guess uh probably not medically but uh a lot of raw sweet potatoes are you know supposedly gaseous to some extent I don't know. Interviewer: Yeah first time I heard that was in Arkansas from a a variation of {X}. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: for the same reason. 533: Fart fruit. Uh you know the same thing. {NW} Uh Interviewer: Sure. 533: But anyway sweet potatoes you know the sweet potato capital of the world is only ten miles down the road from here. Vardaman Mississippi. Population five six hundred maybe. Interviewer: {X} 533: Mm-hmm. And uh they grow more there than anywhere else. You know of a course a guy can plant forty acres of sweet potatoes you know. Have a good crop get two hundred two hundred fifty bushels for the acre. Damn I mean you know. And they whole sale them for three dollars and half a bushel you know. Grocery stores get seven. And uh so the {X} But most of 'em got more than forty acres you know. Interviewer: {NW} 533: Couple hundred acres and a couple hundred acres of soy beans. Couple hundred head of cows and you know twelve kids. Can't beat that. Three percent government loans damn. {NW} Interviewer: {X} You got this thing that uh when you peel it and it makes your eyes water. 533: Oh that's an onion. Interviewer: Yeah. What about the small variety that has the long stalk to it? You see these in salad bars. 533: Oh you know that's just a green onion. You know. Interviewer: Okay. Say if you left an apple or plum in the hot sun it would dry up. 533: Yeah. Wither I guess uh. Interviewer: S-H an adjective beginning with those letters. 533: {NW} Interviewer: S-H-R-I-V E-L? 533: Oh shrivel up? Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. What about leafy vegetables that come to head. 533: You know lettuce cabbage yeah things like that. I guess cauliflower. I don't know. Cauliflower's is foreign to me. Interviewer: Okay. 533: So is broccoli and a lot of other things but Interviewer: What about a few different types of beans? 533: Mm Butter beans peas course there's forty different varieties of both there's uh long stem limas and the climbing butter beans and the bunch butter beans and Uh peas you got purple hulls and purple hull crowders and six week peas and English peas which I hate. And uh Course then you get snap beans or string beans and a lot of people just call them green beans. Call 'em strap uh snap beans uh because you snap 'em. You know {NS} you know throw 'em in a pan. {NW} String beans because they usually look stringy you know when you cook 'em. But in- in fact are green too so you know they go by several names. Interviewer: So you have to do to butter beans to get 'em out of the pod? 533: Oh you shell 'em yeah. Shell peas also. And some people have the audacity to shell snap beans. {NW} Interviewer: {X} 533: Yeah. Interviewer: Um if you wanted me to go to the store and get some lettuce you would tell me to go get two? 533: Go get a couple of heads of lettuce. You know. Interviewer: Ever heard anybody around here say they had uh five boys five girls refer to the fact they have so many heads of children> 533: No. Not really no. We raise our kids like we raise our crops you know. Should be rearing 'em I guess. And usually rear is where they get the most attention but uh I don't know no. Never had five head of kids. Interviewer: Okay. 533: No. Interviewer: Uh talking about an ear of corn. What part did you take off the outside covering you call? 533: Um that's a shuck. Or a husk. Interviewer: Okay. What about the stuff that grows out the top? 533: Tassel. Tassel we used to when it dried and got real black we'd roll a little piece of white paper and smoke it you know. Interviewer: Fine stuff. 533: Ah well Kind of like smoking a grape vine you know it's just do it for the hell of it. I guess if we'd went {NW} like that we'd probably would have blowed our brains out you know what I mean uh you see these people okay you know uh I I dare anybody to take a Camel cigarette and do that. You know? I've never done it you know with anything I don't dope ain't my bag but uh {NW} I had a friend one time uh he was always talking about You know man do you have any You know he knew all this stuff. And so uh this other friend pinched the uh filter off a Salem and you know crushed it up and made it look like a you know a homemade roll or whatever and uh Sean {X} And David handed to him and said here man here's here's you some you know marijuana. {C: pronunciation} And he took about two drags off that Salem and {NW} like that and fell back into the closet. {NW} Flung back into the closet and we laughed you know and I thought aw come on man he's just faking but then I got to thinking you know you take a long hard drag of a Salem or something like that or cigarette when you're not used to it any way because this guy didn't smoke {NW} And it will make you kind of eh eh in the head for a second you know. Just kind of make you a little wiggly. Or you can do it with a pipe or a cigar or anything. And he took a couple of long hard drags and it sucked it out of his anus you know. Hit the wall man he just {NW} As Bob Dylan says could not find the door. {NW} Couldn't even see the floor but anyway Interviewer: That's funny. 533: Yeah corn tassels are good to smoke. Interviewer: What about the stuff you brush off the ears the stringy stuff? 533: {NW} I know what you're talking about yeah just you know. Interviewer: Ever call it the silk? 533: Yeah it's the corn silk. Corn hair you know. Interviewer: Okay. What would you call corn that's tender enough to eat right off the ear? 533: Hmm. You mean like a roasting ear? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 533: Yeah okay. Roasting ear Interviewer: {NW} 533: Roasting ear. Interviewer: I have this thing uh cards thing that you make jack-o-lanterns out of 533: Oh that's a pumpkin. Which turns a nickname for a lot of people pumpkin. You know. Interviewer: What about a yellow crook neck vegetable? 533: A squash? Interviewer: Yeah okay. 533: Yeah. Interviewer: And uh different kinds of melons? 533: Uh there's watermelon mush melon. Uh Well some people would debate whether or not a cantaloupe and a mush melon were the same thing. Other people would say a mush melon is actually the uh What is the sweeter variety what do they call that? The uh Not a cantaloupe but a Aw hell Interviewer: Kind of like a honeydew? 533: yeah honeydew melon. Yeah right. But anyway to me they all smell like {NW} yeah you know I just don't like 'em. My mother used to bring 'em home from a grocery store in the car and I used to say mom please stop let me walk. God I can't stand it. I don't why I just you know just the smell of a cantaloupe just irks my essence you know {NS} Interviewer: {NW} 533: That's about it you know watermelon mush melon. Interviewer: {NS} What about these things that grow in peoples' yards that look like umbrellas on 'em? {NS} {X} 533: You know mushrooms? Interviewer: Sure. 533: Yeah mm-hmm. I always heard those things were poison. Yeah and a few years year or two ago I heard about some guys {NW} making uh mushroom wine or something. You know out of these things I don't know this this was the same guys that'll try angel dust and you know all of this stuff you know. Uh but mushroom wine I don't know. I always Interviewer: Guy was psychedelic. 533: Yeah that's what I there used to be something that grew in the yard Uh it was just a little- like a little puff on the ground. It looked like a mushroom with no legs or something. You know and they called it devil's snuff. And you stomped it you know {NW} blow junk all over the place. But uh you know they always said that's poison you know. Interviewer: You ever heard a mushroom called anything else? 533: Hmm not right away I don't think. Yeah or a toad stool mm-hmm. Sure. Well I don't really know. Like I said uh you see 'em in some areas around here. I figured a toad stool's a little bit bigger. You know stronger so a toad can stool on it or whatever Interviewer: {NW} 533: I don't know but yeah you know it was a toad stool. Interviewer: Alright. 533: Toad frog. Interviewer: This expression somebody offers to do you a favor you might say? Well thanks but I just don't want to be? 533: Obligated. Interviewer: Sure. 533: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Or obliged. Interviewer: Uh Say if a small boy is trying to dare trying to do do something. 533: Mm-hmm? Interviewer: Walk through a graveyard at night uh he might say something like well I'll dare you to do that but I bet you? 533: bet you're chicken? Is that what you mean? I bet you'll chicken out? Interviewer: Is there any do you ever do you ever find yourself {X} I'll dare you to do that but I bet you turn a dare into a negative. 533: In other words I'll bet you can't? Interviewer: Well like dare? 533: Bet you won't? Interviewer: Dare don't dare do that 533: Yeah yeah yeah No don't you dare do it. You know. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Uh None of this {X} stuff Interviewer: Right okay. Say if a m- uh someone's mother is really getting on her kid 533: Yeah. Interviewer: or something she might say something like well now you're not doing what you're? 533: What you ought to do. Interviewer: Okay. Or the boy got a whipping you might say he did something he? 533: he hadn't oughta done. Interviewer: Okay. 533: Or shouldn't oughta done. Interviewer: And in refusing to do something in a strong way you might say {X} 533: I just ain't gonna do it. Interviewer: Okay. Alright uh few birds and animals. What about this bird that can see in the dark? 533: What the bat? Interviewer: Well bird really um I don't I don't think bat's a bird. 533: A bat can't see anyway can they they fly in the dark hell they're blind. A bird that can see in the dark. Probably a hoot owl I guess yeah. Interviewer: Are there different types around here? 533: Well you know different colorings. But I mean an owl a hoot owl uh there's a hoot owl and a screech owl. Interviewer: Right. 533: And a hoot owl {NW} but a screech owl's got a {NW} to him I don't know sound like a you know sort of a panther like almost Used to have a lot of fun when we'd quote camp out Actually what we'd do is get a quilt and go out in the back of the woods you know and sleep you know it's just no air conditioning nothing was no big deal. And uh you hear a screech owl we often in distance {NW} you know. I don't know why. Interviewer: What about a bird that drills holes? In trees? 533: That's a pecker wood. Or a woodpecker. Interviewer: {X} 533: Um yeah. Red headed {C: voice distortion} well if he's a red-headed pecker wood Interviewer: Right. 533: You know. But if it's just an old black woodpecker I don't know why. Interviewer: What about a