548: {NS} About all I know Interviewer: Yeah you know a lot you know more than you think you do uh you were talking about the barn and the crib out on the farm what did you keep in the crib 548: Kept corn in the crib Potatoes in the crib And And kept a Hole cut to where the cats could go in and out there you know Catch the rats and {NS} Things and keep them out of the crib Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And I Reckon that's about it Interviewer: Was there any other place on the farm where you could store grain 548: No Interviewer: Have you ever heard people talk about a granary or grinery 548: Yeah But it wasn't It wasn't out there though You see now that's all people that raise it a lot of it you know can take it up town and put it any place But we didn't ever raise that much Interviewer: And they called it what 548: Granary Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see yeah what about the part of the barn where you kept the hay what was that 548: A stall That's what I called it Interviewer: Yes ma'am did they ever keep any hay upstairs in the upper part of the barn 548: Yeah they was upstairs that they did yeah But in the In a stall where they kept They'd uh fix a place all the way up to the top And they'd just put bales of hay piled on up to the top and then Mules and things would just stand around and nibble off that hay #1 And uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Mm-hmm was that upper part of the barn called anything in particular 548: What Where they Put the hay Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I thought about it a while ago Now I done forgot it Interviewer: A loft 548: No this is a loft up here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's a stall Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: Over there Yeah they keep the hay up there with the mules They have to put it down over In the stall for the mule to eat Interviewer: I see what kind of animals would have on the farm besides mules 548: Well not much of nothing We used to have cows and mules and Hogs and Well that's all I reckon Interviewer: Did you ever have any riding animals 548: nuh-uh {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever ride anything when you were coming up 548: No {NW} We had a young mule there And oh we was {NS} All loved that mule Old Beck I'll never forget Uh We was Had gathered some corn had it laying on the porch just an armload of it And She'd come up to the porch Hadn't nobody never rode her she was a young mule Hadn't been broke And uh So I I was going to give her a ear of that corn And I come up to the edge of the porch On on the side of her Was handing her that ear of corn And when she reached that that ear of corn She reached back this way no and just knocked me clear right off that porch And I knowed not to hit the ground under her feet {NW} I grabbed her around the neck {NS} And that Mule run And and and me just just flock Interviewer: {NW} 548: And that mule run and she run and I I don't {NS} I I don't know how in the world my step daddy finally got me off that mule Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But I knowed not to hit that ground under that mule Interviewer: So she was taking off with you huh 548: She did too You finally caught her I don't know how he got me off from it Interviewer: Mm-hmm hmm 548: But I held on #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Right 548: You can get in some terrible places sometime Interviewer: But you didn't have a horse or anything like that 548: nuh-uh Nothing that you could ride Interviewer: Mm-hmm have you been ever been around a place where they raised them 548: nuh-uh Interviewer: I tried to get on one one time and I slipped right off the other side 548: {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 548: Oh lord I never did try it Interviewer: Didn't have a saddle on him or anything you know 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Skin was real loose 548: Yeah uh-huh {NW} Interviewer: Talking about you say that you kept hogs on your farm 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: So what would you call a little one when it was 548: Pig Interviewer: Yeah did you call them anything different when they got bigger 548: No because all we raised them for was to kill Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh No uh Interviewer: You ever heard of one called a shoat 548: Shoat Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: That's middle-sized Interviewer: Middle-sized I see and when he's full grown you just call him a hog 548: You called him a sow or Anything you want to Interviewer: Sow is that a female 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Yeah I see what about a male 548: Well that's a boar Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What about if a farmer didn't want didn't want his male hog to grow up to be a boar what would you what'd he do to him 548: I don't know with that pig he just Kept one in one pen and one in the other I don't know Interviewer: Would he like would he cut him or something like that 548: #1 Yeah you can # Interviewer: #2 Mark him # 548: Yes mm-hmm Interviewer: Is that what they said they were doing 548: Yes I've heared of them doing that yeah Interviewer: What do they call it 548: They They just cut them I don't know what they called them Interviewer: Yes ma'am what do they call a a hog that had been cut what was his name was it barrow or barrow or barred or something like that 548: A boar I guess Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what it was Boar Interviewer: Do you know some of these hogs have just stiff hair on their backs 548: Yeah Interviewer: What would you call those like bristle 548: Bristle Interviewer: Mm-hmm have you ever had to help clean the hog when you were killing it 548: Yeah Interviewer: What did you do about those bristles 548: Well What what You had to scald them good you know And then then if you Couldn't Couldn't sort of You got to scrape them with a knife and then if you don't get them off that way you have to singe Them off Interviewer: Have to do what 548: singe them off Interviewer: What is that 548: With fire Interviewer: Oh 548: With fire But uh That makes them bad can't do that Uh My my We always just put {NS} a toe sack Crocker sacks that you called over the hog you know two or three of them And then And then pour hot water over them And That stuff will just {NW} Scrape right on off Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And you scald them good Interviewer: Yes ma'am that kind of loosened it up 548: Yeah And then it'd just scrape off Interviewer: Have you ever seen of these bigger hogs that had these long teeth 548: Oh good lord yeah Interviewer: {NW} 548: They was wild hogs ain't they Interviewer: Yeah 548: I don't want them to get after me Interviewer: Have you ever seen one 548: No I seen them on TV But they Uh my sister went over here in Arkansas somewhere Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And with a bunch of people And They They go in packs you know bunches And uh you shoot one of them you better get gone because they're going to get you Interviewer: {NW} Pretty mean no 548: Yeah She said they'll kill you in a minute Interviewer: Hmm 548: But you shoot one then you got to Go back later and pick it up Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: Because you can't get it when you shoot it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: You better shoot it and get gone Interviewer: {NW} 548: {NW} Interviewer: What do you call those long things that a 548: Tusk Interviewer: Yes ma'am I bet you they could tear you up pretty good 548: Uh-huh I bet they could Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: A man wouldn't last but a few minutes Interviewer: Yeah sure wouldn't what about uh talking about the farm have you ever been on a farm where the farmer grows all the hay 548: No I don't believe so Interviewer: You know after they cut instead of baling it would they ever just take it and pile it up out in the field you ever seen them do that 548: Yeah they they cut and they wait to let it cure they called it before they'd bale it uh-huh Uh I saw my niece's husband doing that And then they'd go back and bale it up in bales Interviewer: You know you don't see too many of those stacks of hay around anymore around here is that what they used to in your day 548: Uh-huh Uh Yeah they used to I seen them put up just big old high poles You know And just stack Stack hay way up yonder Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Just loose hay you know Up there for In the Pasture or something for cows you know stand around and eat those Interviewer: Yes ma'am nowadays you see {X} 548: {NW} Interviewer: I've never seen it done 548: I haven't either Interviewer: It just looks like you took a rug and rolled it up 548: Uh-huh That's what it looked like Interviewer: Exactly where do people uh have you ever seen a place outside where they would uh store hay the bales some kind of shelter for it outside 548: I don't think I have Interviewer: Or have you ever heard of a farmer just sweeping up little piles of hay in the field 548: In the field Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Yeah that's I I I've seen them uh The south {X} Hay Uh I've seen big Fields of that And they go in and cut it and And And it lay there a few days and then they would Bale it up or Or Break it up and Haul it in like it is and let them eat it like it is Interviewer: Yes ma'am ever heard of anything called a wind rose 548: Wind rose Interviewer: Wind rose 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Uh say if you had some cows where would you keep them inside would there be a building you could keep your cows inside on a farm 548: No we didn't We kept ours in a lot With the hor- Well The mules and things was in the front the cows was in the back Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And come a terrible cloud one night we had two good milk cows {NS} And both of them had baby calves And uh So it had come up with a bad cloud that night and uh Lightning struck them two cows Interviewer: Oh 548: Killed them both Interviewer: Hmm 548: And the next morning I got we got a And I told my older sister I said well I ain't hear the The cows I hear the calves Just uh Going on out there you know they was hungry And So I went on out there To see about the cows and there was both of them laying there dead they was standing side to side they fell this away Their feet together this away Interviewer: Lean leaning against each other 548: Uh-huh And And milk just Spewing just like that Interviewer: Oh 548: Them poor little calves out they just bayed Interviewer: Hmm that's pretty bad 548: Had to drag them cows off and Our step daddy killed them calves Interviewer: Hmm do you ever have do y'all have bad weather around here ever bad storms 548: No not Uh Ice storm is about the worst storm we've had here Interviewer: Hmm 548: But we really had two bad ice storms Interviewer: I've never been in one of those 548: Man You just Just hear it just Just Just like stuff breaking in the air you know all the time Just like an old creaking chair you know or something like that Interviewer: Oh 548: You know it was it was the limbs that move on trees you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And Limbs just freeze and break off Just in piles and trees Fall they just get so heavy loaded they couldn't stand Interviewer: Hmm 548: Man we really have them through here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Two of them Interviewer: Yes ma'am you ever had any bad winds 548: No Not not no really bad ones Of course we thought we was going to have tornadoes several times but we didn't Interviewer: Hmm 548: We have got way down right in the edge of town but I've never it's never have come on up the town Interviewer: I've never been in one of those either don't care to be 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Would be pretty rough 548: I don't know but I hear people say that levy over there Protects this place a whole lot Interviewer: Probably does 548: You know Interviewer: Wouldn't break anything coming over 548: Mm-hmm {NW} We see a a storm Like that follows the water And of course when it leaves the water Probably hit that levy and it might knock it up and it go over us {NS} That's the only thing I can see Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But we sure ain't have no real bad one here Interviewer: You ever have any heavy rains around here 548: Yep We've had some Good heavy rains around here Going on up towards town there I've seen it where they couldn't even go down the street Nobody couldn't they'd have to Turn around and go back You know it Water would be so deep in the street they'd {D: kill} cars Interviewer: Mm-hmm that's what it did the other day you know when it rained the other day afternoon 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: The motel where I stayed at the parking lot was like that deep in water {NW} Had to get around it you'd soak to try and get through it 548: Hmm Uh Talking about Miss Sweet do you know her or did she #1 How do you ever get a hold # Interviewer: #2 No I just # Let's see A lady that I talked to down at the library Named Miss Miller knew Miss Sweet and told me to get in touch with her because she thought that she might know the type of person I was looking for so I just called her up and told I was looking for somebody who had been around here a long time 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: And she suggested you no I never met Miss Sweet just talked to her on the phone 548: Mm-hmm Well I I didn't know of course nowadays you sort Interviewer: Oh sure sure 548: And uh So I call her this morning and asked her did she know anything about That man you know was calling me yesterday Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: She said no said he's since been arrested And uh Talking to somebody You know about that man said he call me back later And told me that he thought you know that I was the one that he was hunting Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And I said well Good then Interviewer: {NW} Yeah do people around here what would they what would you call the a good heavy rain uh you'd say you were having a 548: Generally say a wash out Interviewer: Wash out 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Would that be a lot of rain 548: That'd be a lot yes Interviewer: What would you call just a little bit I mean you could go outside just barely get wet 548: Sprinkle Interviewer: Yeah 548: {NW} Interviewer: Ever heard people say it's uh had a drizzle kind of a drizzle outside 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Would that be the same as sprinkle 548: Mm-hmm yeah Interviewer: And you called it a 548: A drizzle Interviewer: I see or maybe it's misting outside you ever heard of that 548: Yeah that'd be all the same thing Interviewer: #1 All the same thing # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NS} Have you ever uh been riding along maybe in the morning and you come to a low place in the road and you get in this stuff you can hardly see through it 548: Fog Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Fog uh-huh That'll cause you to wreck Interviewer: Sure will do you have a lot of it around here much 548: Uh-uh Not that I know of Interviewer: What if you were in a lot of fog what kind of day would you say it was you'd say you're having a 548: Bad day Interviewer: Or a fog- 548: Foggy day Interviewer: Sure 548: {NW} Interviewer: Foggy day yeah yeah have around here do the farmers ever uh lose any crops because it hadn't rained for a long time 548: No They got stuff now they can put in that dirt it don't matter whether it rains or not That stuff will work just the same Interviewer: Wow 548: Still stay just as pretty as green Interviewer: Mm-hmm what would you say you're having if it hasn't rained for a few weeks 548: Drought Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what I would call it Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see {X} Is that would that like uh be the same as a dry spell 548: Uh-huh same thing Interviewer: Same thing I see I see you know you were talking about those cows that got struck by lightning uh have you ever heard a farmer call to his cows to get them to come to him 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Like he wanted them to come in from the pasture 548: Yeah Interviewer: What would he say #1 How would you call to them # 548: #2 {NW} # {NW} Soo cow Soo cow Interviewer: And they'd come in 548: Uh-huh they'd come in Interviewer: Did it take very long to get cows to figure out what you want 548: No not after you know Say you're a cow You can get them used to coming to you Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But It'd take you a good little Take them a good while I imagine to get used to it I don't know Interviewer: Would you Would you say the same thing to a cat if you were calling him to come to you 548: Yes Uh Yes if you was going to call the cat but I ain't never called one because I don't think you can get them to do nothing #1 Nothing # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} You ever heard people say something like soo cat #1 Or something like that # 548: #2 Yeah # Yeah Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Yeah I've heard say soo cat but A cat won't I don't know Interviewer: Kind of temperamental 548: Huh Interviewer: What about if you were calling a hog 548: Piggy {NW} Interviewer: To get him to come to you 548: If you got a bucket of slop Interviewer: Right 548: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Why'd I even have to call #1 {X} # 548: #2 Uh-huh # No you You got a bucket of slop they'll come anyway {NS} Interviewer: What if you wanted to scatter them get them to 548: Soo wee Interviewer: Yeah {NW} Do you ever call the chickens 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: How'd you call them 548: Chicky Chicky chicky Interviewer: And they'd come to you 548: Yeah Interviewer: {X} 548: They know I have something for them to eat Interviewer: Would you say anything to scatter them 548: Mm-hmm {X} If I wanted to scatter them I'd say shoo Interviewer: Right have you ever heard of a farmer that he was plowing his mules would he say something to him to get them to turn 548: Yeah Gee Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Or haw Interviewer: Yeah which is which do you remember 548: Gee is right I believe Interviewer: That's right 548: And haw is left Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: I think Interviewer: Yes ma'am I think I've heard that too yeah ever heard anybody call to horses like if they wanted to get a horse's 548: No I don't think so Interviewer: {X} Well what about if you were riding the horse and you wanted to get him started 548: {NS} I say get up Interviewer: Uh-huh yeah 548: Get up and if they didn't get up I'd kick him on the heel #1 And he'd go # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # Right what about uh to make him stop 548: Whoa Interviewer: Have you ever have you ever milked a cow 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Did you ever have to say anything to it to get him to hold still 548: Yes Yes Interviewer: What would you 548: Saw Interviewer: Saw 548: Saw Interviewer: Yeah mm-hmm what about to move a leg back 548: I {X} Seems like I say uh Back yeah Uh push the Hip and say back up And She she would back up Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But uh I don't know Interviewer: Did your did your brother teach you how to milk a cow 548: I done forgot who told me how But I used to milk Interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah {NS} Uh-oh {NS} Yeah 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Get it cranked up 548: Sure did Interviewer: {NW} {NS} Let's see y'all didn't have anything like a cow barn on the farm where you kept the cow 548: Uh-uh Uh-uh we had to keep them staked out by the head You know chain around their horns and Just move them from place to place let them eat the grass Interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah what's the head oh the head of the cow I see 548: The #1 Yeah the horns # Interviewer: #2 Keep them chained up # Yeah 548: Just hooked it around their horn Interviewer: Right I see {NS} What about your pigs where'd you keep them 548: Had to keep them in a little old pen {NS} And uh So we stacked the cows out one morning And we had to go back by the same place going to feed them Wasn't Just a few minutes We started back by before we had them tied and one of them had done fell And had stuck one of her horns in the ground {NW} And her head was Oh her neck was just almost broke when we got to her Interviewer: Hmm 548: And had to cut Had to Get her up Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And Boy she liked to Broke her neck Interviewer: Hmm that's bad really do you you said you had a little pen for the hogs 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Did that have any cows sheltered to it 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Just over 548: And we'd get ready to stacking them we'd put them on a floored pen Uh you know sort of tight tighter pen And put a flooring in it And Feed them and boy they'd get so fat Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NW} 548: But as long as they're out you know where they can run around any at all they won't get fat Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see was there a place where you'd milk your cows 548: No In the You know Lot where we kept them Or in the cow pen if we didn't have them in the lot With the horses Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: We'd always bring them up and water them and take them in there to milk Interviewer: Yes ma'am how often did you have to milk 548: Twice a day Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: In the morning and at night Interviewer: I see about how many cows did you say you kept 548: Two Interviewer: About how much milk would they produce 548: I don't know {NS} But Two or three gallons a day at least I I couldn't tell you for sure but Interviewer: Something like 548: Whole lot uh-huh Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see have there ever been any farms around here where they raised milk cows 548: Not that I know of Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Oh they got uh dairy farms Where they keep cows you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am got some of those around here 548: Yep I have I've seen them I see a gang of them every once in a while but I don't know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Not really in town uh-uh Interviewer: Hmm what what did y'all do with your milk and butter in the days before you had a refrigerator 548: Well One thing One thing we {NS} Well we Had ice box You know about chunks of ice a big chunk of ice put in a little old box Refrigerator {X} {NS} Electric refrigerator is not And we'd keep it in there or either we'd Go Tow us up some water out of the pump cold water out of the pump And sit in it Help Keep it cool we'd Just done everything You know that we could Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But we had plenty of milk and butter You know and to give our friends and whoever wanted it Interviewer: Yes ma'am did you ever hear of people putting it down a well to keep it cool 548: Mm-hmm My sister lived in hills she did that And She'd She'd uh I know something Drop it down in that good cold water in that well Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: When she got ready to eat then she'd Go get it put it on the table Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: It'd be so good and cold Interviewer: {NW} I bet it was was there any special place where you put your potatoes and turnips during the winter 548: No we didn't have to put up no turnips Some people did but we didn't But you could do it yeah Uh We We uh dug potatoes a few times and We didn't have no corn in the crib we just scattered them out in the crib you know You pile them up they'll rot Interviewer: Yes ma'am but have you ever heard of people digging out a place where they put their potatoes or something like that 548: Mm Sweet potatoes No I Now for actual potatoes Um Yeah I seen them Dig out the place and put shovels all in there Or grass or something and then put the potatoes in there And then put grass over that and then cover it up with dirt Interviewer: What'd they call that place anything 548: A potato hill or a potato keel Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Hill I believe Interviewer: Yes ma'am what about um you were talking about working in a field like is a field the same thing as a patch 548: Mm-hmm It's the same thing Interviewer: Same size same thing growing in it 548: Yeah Interviewer: Like you could have a 548: Well a patch the only difference is you You'd have to have plant your little spot of peas or something Or a little spot of beans where you You done planted your pea patch out there you know Um You know that {NS} J-just Plants still {X} It's the same thing Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see uh talking about the pasture where you let the cows graze 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Was that usually fenced in or was it over 548: Fenced in Interviewer: Can you remember a time when it wasn't fenced in 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Always has been 548: It's fenced in or either we had to tie them out by the Like I said by the Just tie them with a chain out there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Let them eat off {NW} Place and then go get them and move them and let them eat off another place what they could get you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They from here and yonder Interviewer: Right 548: I saw plenty Hogs tied out right there But We didn't ever do that we didn't ever try it But I have seen it done Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see what kind of fence would you have around your pasture 548: Well you know what a barbed wire fence is Barbed wire But it was just three strands you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They had uh posts In the ground And they would draw that Uh Wire tight And three strands around that Pasture And that's what kept the cows Interviewer: Mm-hmm what what about what kind of fence did you have before they had barbed wire 548: Let's see what'd they call that cross tied fence or what was it They Put {X} I seen it Interviewer: What were they rails or something 548: Uh-huh some kind of rail Rail fence Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But I I know uh Of up yonder Tops Between here and Oakland I've seen one of them Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Still there Um Interviewer: Don't see too many of those nowadays 548: Uh-uh That fence Still there Interviewer: Those things built so that they're kind of zig zagged 548: Oh yeah Interviewer: Yeah 548: Uh-huh Sure do Interviewer: Mm-hmm and you say that uh have you ever seen somebody put up a barbed wire fence 548: Yeah Interviewer: Do they have to string the wire tight across the 548: Um They got some kind of Long Tweezers there That they can catch that wire with you know and pull it Pull it tight And then they Somebody They pull it real tight and then they Nail it down Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Staple it down Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They can't slip Interviewer: What do they use to string it across the thing that they dig the hole for 548: They use post hole diggers to dig them holes Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see do you ever have to use one of those 548: Uh That's one thing I didn't have to #1 Use # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Didn't have to use the post hole digger 548: I might You know if uh If my step daddy hadn't have died I might have had to use Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But uh I was still young when he died Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But anyway I was about Sixteen Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Fifteen between fifteen and sixteen But I married He was buried on Monday and I come in Saturday evening and I married Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see talking about fences have you ever seen these fences that some people have around their garden or might have around their yard they're usually painted white the top of them kind of comes to a point like that 548: Yes Uh Yeah It's just a A a slant like a slant like that comes up and comes up to a point #1 Like that # Interviewer: #2 Yes ma'am # 548: Uh-huh Over here on Grove Street where my sister lived Interviewer: Right 548: There's one right there Interviewer: Yeah 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Is that do people around here call that a picket fence or a paling fence or 548: Paving I guess Interviewer: Mm-hmm okay 548: Sounds more like what it What I used to They used to call it Interviewer: Yes ma'am did people around here ever make walls or fences out of loose stone or rock haven't ever seen anything around here 548: I seen some houses made out of rock They're some kind of nice rock I don't know Interviewer: Yes just not the stuff you'd get up out in the field 548: Uh-uh {NS} Interviewer: Probably bring it in from somewhere else 548: Yeah It was made just you know just for a {X} I guess Interviewer: Mm-hmm okay what would you call the stuff that a woman's best dishes would be made out of real fine dishes 548: Dishes or cooked {X} Interviewer: Dishes 548: Really I don't know Really I don't know I Interviewer: Something like china 548: Yeah I That's the only kind I've ever known Interviewer: What's that 548: That's the only kind I've ever known was china dishes Interviewer: Yes ma'am have you ever seen an egg made out of something like that 548: A egg Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: No Interviewer: Like something that a farmer would put in a chicken's try to fool it to lay 548: I I saw these here little glass eggs you can buy them and put in the nest Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Is that what you #1 Talking about # Interviewer: #2 Right # Right do those things work 548: Uh-huh They them chickens don't ever pay it no attention Interviewer: {NW} 548: {NW} Interviewer: Did y'all ever use one of those 548: Uh-huh Or or little egg gourds you can raise The little gourds about the same Size Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh you can just raise a bunch of them all at one time You can Put them in the nest They're about the size of an egg they don't ever pay it no attention It's going to get on that egg and lay again and never going to Interviewer: Right yeah I've never seen one of those I've seen the things but I haven't seen people use them 548: Uh-huh yeah we used them Interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah when you went to milk the cow what did you take with you to bring the milk back in 548: A bucket A lard bucket eight pound lard bucket Interviewer: What was that made out of 548: Just old Tin back in them days And Well I would take two It would be uh What we called a four pound bucket And uh And a ten pound bucket Well a gallon bucket Then a half-gallon bucket {X} Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And so I'd Scare the cat kick it out of something and I'd milk in the little bucket and pour it over the gate Interviewer: Right that's a pretty good idea 548: It is Interviewer: Did y'all have a well 548: No We didn't have a well My sister had one up in the hills Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But we didn't have one Interviewer: Mm-hmm did well when if people were going to go get some water from the well what would they take with them to bring the water back in 548: Well the these old big water buckets or lard cans or Anything they could get Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see 548: Sometimes they'd just Two two would go you know and bring it back in an old lard can or something Interviewer: Mm-hmm yes ma'am do you ever hear of people around here use the word pail instead of bucket 548: Yeah I hear that too Interviewer: Are there any difference between the bucket and the pail 548: No Ain't no difference it's It's a {X} A pail or a bucket it don't make no difference Interviewer: Just the same thing 548: Used to be buckets now it's pail Interviewer: #1 Right # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Right okay did you ever keep a a bucket around the kitchen where you would throw scraps in for the hogs 548: Mm-hmm Sure did Because Because I'll tell you I got into that Got into it one time back there Interviewer: What happened 548: Well W- As I told you we had to feed the hogs Us girls And uh So We just Picked some cabbage you know and it had these old big old long worms in there Interviewer: Hmm 548: And And we had poured it over in the slop bucket and had to give it to the hogs And uh My step daddy fell in there and found it and was going to make us get a spoon and eat it Interviewer: #1 Oh goodness gracious # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Don't think I would have cared #1 To do that # 548: #2 Oh man # Interviewer: Hmm 548: Yeah he was going to make us eat it But I But he He said he wasn't going to have to whoop me I went and got a spoon And uh So then after he said he was going to have to whoop the other two to make them eat it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: He told me he says Said never mind I'll let y'all by this time if I ever do catch that bucket full again Y'all going to eat it Interviewer: Hmm don't think I would have liked that 548: {NW} Man I'll tell you too We went We went out to pick us up a load of roots to cook with Out in that den And When Right out in the back where he could see us Every minute And we'd be gone one minute longer than he thought we ought to be He'd be standing in the door with his belt when we come in Interviewer: Hmm 548: He'd whoop us Interviewer: Sounds like he was pretty strict 548: Hmm He He was pretty strict I thought he was But I look at kids nowadays and I wonder Course now I do know he was too strict I know that But There's some young ones nowadays I wish somebody had some hog {X} Interviewer: {NW} I know what you mean 548: I got a grandson up there in Oakland right now I wish {NW} I wish something could be done Interviewer: Hmm just a little out of hand at times 548: He sure does Well not that he's doing to so much He just won't stay put And uh {NS} Serve his time outs you know uh He ain't eighteen yet And So they sent him off and To stay until he was eighteen And and then he'll be {X} At the whole thing or nothing When he's eighteen he'll be out on his own But no he he won't stay Interviewer: Hmm 548: He'll run away and come back to Greenville Interviewer: Hmm 548: So right then they'll pick him up and Make it that much harder on him Interviewer: Hmm you were talking about getting some roots a minute ago do you remember if people ever used roots for any kind of medicine or anything like that 548: No they used to use it to make tea Interviewer: What kind of tea 548: Sassafras tea Some say sassafras tea Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: #1 Make # Interviewer: #2 Was that # 548: You don't know Interviewer: Well what's that good for 548: Drinking {NS} Make it and Sweeten it and drink it It's good Interviewer: Do 548: The roots off of it Interviewer: Do sick people drink it or is it #1 Supposed to be good for sick people # 548: #2 Just anybody # Interviewer: Yeah just for regular #1 Drink # 548: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: Yeah 548: Like tea you know I like to drink tea Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: It's good Interviewer: You were talking about a big black pot that you boiled your clothes in 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What was that called 548: A pot's all I know Interviewer: Wash pot or 548: Wash pot A wash pot it was a big one Interviewer: People used to have it outside their yard 548: Mm-hmm I've boiled many old pots of clothes Interviewer: Did you have something that you boiled tea in with a long spout to it 548: Tea Interviewer: Or did you have anything that you boiled inside on the stove 548: No uh I I put my tea or whatever I was going to Make in a boiler and set it on the stove Interviewer: Hmm you didn't use a kettle or anything like that 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Where did those come along 548: I don't know Uh Yeah we used to have them old arm kettles they're heavy Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Maybe you've seen them I don't know Interviewer: Those are like the ones you use in a fire place 548: Mm-hmm Iron yeah Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: Them's the kind you used in the fire place And uh I I don't know what's went with them but they Hardly ever you hardly ever see one now Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see back then did you have anything a container that could put cut flowers in inside the house 548: No Uh regular flowers of course we put them in a glass But now first flower pot then a vases or something Interviewer: Didn't have that 548: Wasn't nothing like that Interviewer: Did you ever keep flowers in the house 548: Yeah when we could get them So much of the time you know you couldn't Ain't have no luck raising flowers Interviewer: They wouldn't grow around the house 548: Sometimes they wouldn't it's according to the weather Interviewer: I see okay what about when you ate a meal the utensils that you used to eat the meal with what did you have yeah the things you used to eat the meal with 548: To eat it with Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Oh well We had a Plate and a fork like we have now or either Well I I remember when we ate out tin cups and bucket lids Interviewer: Hmm out of bucket lids oh 548: Uh I know some Pails we're talking about Interviewer: Right 548: Eight pound buckets Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: The lids off them You know beat that A rake ladder at the bottom of it and then it'll be deep Interviewer: #1 Yes ma'am # 548: #2 And that's what # I remember a time we had a lid too Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see 548: Sure did Interviewer: Hmm 548: And we'd take a Potted meat You see you know what that is Interviewer: Potted meat 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Them little old can And we'd keep one of them to cut out Uh little cookies with you know Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: And things like that Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And I don't know We just got by don't know how but we did Interviewer: Right when you got through with the meal and had all the dirty dishes what did you say you had to do with them to get them cleaned 548: Had Had to put them in the dish pan Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And And had some Hot water on the stove in the kettle if we had one And if we didn't had to have hot water to boil To pour in that pan over them dishes Interviewer: Hmm 548: And wash them Interviewer: Hmm I see what did you do to get the soap off of them 548: Well we had to Back in them days I don't I don't remember whether we rinsed them or not Interviewer: Hmm 548: Seems like we just washed them and dried them and put them up Interviewer: I see did you have any kind of rag or cloth that you used #1 When you washed them # 548: #2 Uh-huh # Uh-huh Yeah there was a cloth Interviewer: What did you call that 548: Dish rag Interviewer: Dish rag 548: {NW} Interviewer: Did you have one that you used to dry with 548: Uh-huh That was a drying rag Interviewer: I see 548: Drying rag Interviewer: What about something that you held that you used to wash with wash your face when you took a bath did you have that 548: Yes That's Some kind of rag yeah Wasn't no real wash rags back in them days Interviewer: I see 548: Just piece of sheets or anything that you could get your hands on Interviewer: Yes ma'am did you have a big thing that you dried off with 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: All of it 548: Uh-huh A piece of a piece of sheet or Anything that we could get that's what we used Interviewer: Did you have a regular towel 548: Mm-mm I don't remember the day I get it Interviewer: But you you say you didn't you just used a piece of sheet instead of a 548: Mm-hmm And mostly flower sacks Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: There ain't none nowadays I wish there was Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: {NW} I liked them things to make rags out of Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Very soft Interviewer: Would you rather use one of those to dry off with though than a 548: No to wash dishes with yeah Interviewer: But you would prefer to use a 548: A towel uh-huh Or a wash rag Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: But now for dish rags and And uh Lifting rags and things in the kitchen I need to have a flower sack Interviewer: Yes ma'am back then y'all didn't have running water in the house did you 548: Uh-uh Sometimes we had to tote it a long ways Interviewer: Hmm water's pretty heavy 548: Yep It is And then there's {X} Wash as I said I had We had slacked at first Interviewer: Yeah oh that's right 548: {NW} Interviewer: Right I remember that yeah well nowadays in your kitchen 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: That thing over the sink that the water comes out of 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What do you call that 548: Hybrid Interviewer: Yes ma?am now what out outside the thing that you can hook a hose up to that the water comes out of like if you go and water your glass what would you call that thing 548: The hybrid or the hose Interviewer: The thing that the water comes out of 548: Hose Interviewer: Or yeah you hook that up to a hybrid 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: I see okay has it ever gotten into other places that you lived when it gets real cold around here did you ever have any trouble with your pipes 548: Uh I didn't ever have no trouble Interviewer: Did you ever hear of people that did 548: Oh yeah man Interviewer: What would happen to them 548: Well some of at least part of the time they'd have to have a plumber come out and Uh well And uh {NS} Draw them up and They may be busted and they'd have to do something about that Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Around here now But Where we where we lived about four or five years My husband had him to come out and wrap the pipe under the house you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Where it wouldn't freeze {NS} But over there I said I hadn't had no trouble But over there where I moved from over there {X} Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: My hider Froze time in the hand sink in the bathroom And me and my sister went off And I don't know why I turned that hider on Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But it thawed up while we was gone Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: And talking about water Man It had done run in that bathroom and it was Wasn't like it here it is here Um it was just soaked it just went by on through the bathroom you know Interviewer: Hmm 548: And they're just Just run off down at the other end of the The other woman's apartment down yonder and I mean just running down there just like a Busted pipe Interviewer: Hmm 548: And that's what that's what they thought it was until I got home Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: When I got home and went in the house Oh I tell you if that thing hadn't made a mess in that house Interviewer: Hmm 548: Done thawed up though But it didn't budge Interviewer: Yes ma?am I know you hated to see that 548: Yeah I did But I had a mess to clean up Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Course I didn't pay for the water over there I don't pay it here and I didn't pay it there either Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see you know years ago if you wanted to buy a pretty good bit of molasses what would that come in 548: A keg You could get a barrel Interviewer: Whole barrel of molasses 548: Mm-hmm But they bought mostly kegs you know they got about that high Interviewer: Yes ma?am what about lard 548: Hmm You you could buy that in big Fifty pound can People now got to where they don't eat much lard because that ain't healthy Interviewer: No ma'am you ever heard people talking about buying a stand of lard 548: A stand of lard Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: No Interviewer: Some okay or talking about a barrel you know these metal rings that go around the barrel to keep the stage in place 548: Yeah Interviewer: What would you call those things 548: Hooks Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what I'd call them Interviewer: Did people ever play with those things 548: Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Kids back in them days played with anything they could get to play with Interviewer: What were some of the things you played with besides that 548: I I didn't play with that because I didn't have no time to play with nothing But uh Uh We'd Uh we'd Get Save old baking powder cans and old baking powder Can lids and {NW} Snuck bottles and All silly junk as that to make a playhouse out of We didn't ever have nothing Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: No can lids just what We just Saved something and if we ever got time to play that's what we played with Interviewer: Mm-hmm did you ever make yourself one of these things where you had a long board and one kid could get on one and one on the other 548: Seesaw {NW} Uh-uh Interviewer: Didn't have that huh 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Did you ever play on one 548: Uh-uh Uh-uh Interviewer: Never did 548: Uh-uh And after I got older I didn't want to I was scared to get on one Interviewer: Hmm what would what would they say they were doing if they were on one of those things 548: Seesawing {NW} Interviewer: What about one that uh has a long board that goes around and around did you ever play on one of those 548: I don't know what you call it I've seen them but I don't know Interviewer: You ever heard it called a flying Jenny 548: Oh yes Interviewer: {NW} 548: I heared of flying Jenny Interviewer: Were those home made could you make them yourself 548: No I couldn't Uh-uh I couldn't make them myself but I've seen them Interviewer: Yes ma?am what about these things that you have ropes from the limb of the tree and you got a seat to it 548: A swing Interviewer: Sure did y'all make those 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Didn't have any of those 548: Mm-mm We just didn't have time to fool with it Interviewer: Just had to work a field all day 548: We wasn't working in the field we was working in the house Interviewer: Hmm I imagine that got kind of old after a while doesn't it 548: It got old but we know better than to say anything Interviewer: Yeah 548: We didn't say nothing Kids nowadays will get you told on Interviewer: {NW} That's true well say if you wanted to put some liquid into a bottle that had a narrow mouth 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What would you use to keep from spilling it all over the place 548: Well You can take a Piece of paper And roll it up you know and make a funnel And Stick one down in there And you won't spill A piece of paper Interviewer: Didn't have one of those metal funnels 548: Mm-mm We used a piece of paper many a time Interviewer: Works just as well nowadays when you go to the grocery store and buy something what does the grocery boy put it in for so you take it home with you 548: Puts it in a A large paper sack grocery sack Well anyways just about that high Just about that wide Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Paper sack Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Paper bag Interviewer: Right 548: Whatever you want #1 To call it # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Yeah uh say if a man had some corn that he wanted to take to the mill 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Uh the amount of corn that he could take in his wagon at one time about how much would that be 548: That he could take or he wanted to take Interviewer: Well either one 548: Um Well he could take a lot Could do it But generally they didn't take but maybe Two or three bushels at a time Interviewer: Hmm 548: Which they had to give the man at the mill you know Interviewer: How much did they have to give him 548: {NS} Well I I don't know a certain toll {X} But I don't know {NS} Interviewer: Y'all getting papers on the fourth of July 548: I don't know {X} Interviewer: Hmm 548: This has been the first fourth of July I've been here Interviewer: Is that right oh that's right I forget you've only been here about a month or so do you ever hear of people taking a turn of corn to the mill 548: No Interviewer: Haven't heard that 548: But what does that mean Interviewer: It's just an amount that you can take at one time 548: Any amount that you want to take I guess Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Well that's the way it is Way back yonder Just take Whatever you want to take Whatever you want to keep if you wanted to keep about I imagine about two and a half bushels You carry three and give that Man at the mill about half a bushel I imagine to grind them Interviewer: Mm-hmm yes ma'am I see 548: It seems like it was that way Interviewer: Right 548: I think it's right Interviewer: What did what did y'all do for light back then before you had electricity 548: Man that was rough Interviewer: {NW} 548: Oh we thought it was alright we didn't know no better cool all our lamps Well I know you've seen it Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But we we thought we was doing alright But nowadays You can tell the difference {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever see somebody make uh one of those homemade they just take a bottle and some coal oil and something for a rig 548: I I really gotten burnt one day with a bottle With a I bet it was a piece of rope or something Twisted down in there you know Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Had coiled in And we was all Thought we was going fishing And I had up my arm this way And and that bottle Turned Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: And man it burned a great big place on my arm right in there Interviewer: Hmm did y'all call that anything in particular 548: No Interviewer: Homemade thing 548: No Just made it to go fishing with #1 You know # Interviewer: #2 Yes ma?am # 548: No we didn't call it Interviewer: You wouldn't call it a torch or flame anything like that 548: Come near being a torch Interviewer: Sort of 548: Because it made good light Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see did you go fishing much 548: Uh-uh We thought we was going that night but Really we never did go but a few time I remember my step daddy in mind telling me Well we're going fishing now who d- Who don't catch a fish don't eat no supper And I caught the I caught fish Interviewer: {NW} 548: What I caught a Grinnel About that long One of the most scaly grinnel fish I don't want to I don't like Interviewer: Not good to eat 548: I love catfish and that's all Interviewer: What else did you fish for besides catfish 548: Well We fished anything we caught But But in them days You hardly ever caught any catfish You know where we lived there anywhere Interviewer: Hmm 548: Just a little old lake you know went in through by our house And I went out in the yard this I was {X} And found a little old dead chicken And uh {D: I hung the line} I I was just doing something I put it Stuck it on a hook And there's no trout {X} Uh come across the Little old bough behind our house And I went out on that thing and set that hook out With that little chicken on it And the next morning I went out there to it and man I had ripped the {X} That long Interviewer: {NW} Could you have had it by yourself 548: Uh-uh I I kept hollering until I got my mama out there And then boy she liked to tore me up for being there Getting out over that water She didn't whoop me but she comes very near doing it She was scared because I got out there with that water Interviewer: Hmm yeah 548: But I really caught that fish Interviewer: Is that like a gar have you ever heard of that 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: It's a grinnel 548: Yeah it's something like a gar But you uh Split a gar Uh down and Its uh Front there You split it and then skin it Skin the meat out But a grinnel you don't you scrape off the scale Interviewer: Hmm 548: And eat the whole fish Interviewer: Hmm 548: {NS} But as I say don't give me no scaly fish I'm okay Interviewer: You don't like bass or 548: Mm-mm Interviewer: That kind of thing 548: Mm-mm Interviewer: Have you ever caught one 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Have you ever seen any carp around here 548: Yeah uh There's a woman over there who caught one and was going to give it to me One of those {X} Interviewer: What's that 548: A carp fish And uh So I didn't want it I told her to give it to my sister I didn't want it So she did Interviewer: I've heard those things aren't very good to eat 548: Too many bones man Interviewer: {NW} 548: Just like just pouring little needles Interviewer: Yeah it's bad 548: I don't want to get choked on them thing Interviewer: Hmm when y'all did go fishing did you ever have were you ever bothered by insects 548: Yes sir Red bugs and mosquitoes You See lots of snakes Well uh We lived on {X} And we heard the terriblest hollering one morning And uh There was six Uh niggers Going to work And they Go across that little old bough in the boat To the work And they got uh in Started across there and they got hung up on these little old cypress knees Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS}