Interviewer: {D: That's better} 548: Okay Interviewer: {D: Let's see} {NS} You say that you were brought up out in the country 548: Uh-huh Yes sir Interviewer: Do you remember anything about the house that you were brought up in 548: Yes sir it was a big Florida house and Out in the {NS} Edge of the woods And um And we always worked on A new ground {NS} Interviewer: What does that mean new ground 548: {NW} indignant I don't guess you know what that is Interviewer: No ma'am 548: But it's just woods that's growed up you know and you go in there and clean out them bushes and trees and {NW} Haul the logs and pile the bricks and {NS} And burn them and {NW} Clean it off and ply it up and plant and Interviewer: And that's new ground 548: Uh-huh that's new ground And um Plant it And raise you a crop in there Interviewer: Uh-huh and did you say the new ground was the same as {D: dead end} 548: Uh-huh it's the same thing Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But uh In there is where we got Most of our wood Plowing up them roots you know {NS} When they get dry we go pick them up Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And burn them for wood Interviewer: That's what you used for heat 548: Uh-huh And to cook In the cook stove Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And That's the kind of Life that we lived when we was coming up Interviewer: Yes ma'am did uh did you use any particular kind of wood to burn in the fireplace 548: Huh We'd just go out in the field and pick up {NS} Uh them roots that was the already dry you know after you {NW} Plow them up they get dry Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But when But They ain't no good until they get dry and then You burn Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And then Well there was three of us girls And um we didn't get to go to school none that's one thing hurting me Hurt us all Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And we had to work in that dead end all the time And we were brought up by our step father Boy he was rough on us Interviewer: Is that right 548: And So We was the one that had to do the work in the field And So we really had a hard time Interviewer: Yes ma'am he he made y'all work on raising the crops 548: Yes sir We plowed Whole On middle busters and everything else Interviewer: What's a middle buster 548: It's just a Type of plow Interviewer: Hmm what did it do 548: It takes a man to handle it But but Whenever we was put a hold to it we knowed to handle it Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I don't know it's this A middle buster You go along and throw your rolls up when you leave a A middle about that big And then you come back for that middle buster a different kind of plow {NW} Just splits that place right half open Throws it out that way and leaves a big middle down through there Interviewer: I see when you do it the first the time it leaves a middle about a foot long 548: #1 Uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 Something like that # 548: And then you come back for that middle buster and Just cut Cut that little place about {NW} Half into and throw it each way and well that leaves a big middle down through there Interviewer: Yes ma'am what did y'all grow mostly 548: Cotton and corn Back in them days Interviewer: Yes ma'am how big a field did you have 548: Well sometime we had a Um Seventy-five maybe a hundred acres My step papa rented his land you know And he'd Rent just different {X} But anyhow sometimes he'd rent a Whole lot sometimes he wouldn't rent so much Interviewer: Yes ma'am did y'all just have to work all the time did you ever have the chance to play much 548: Uh-uh {NW} We had house work to do and field work to Us three girls did We didn't have enough time to play uh-uh We had to take care At least ten mules And Hogs And two cows {NS} And uh Uh Well {NS} Chickens and I can't Nothing else if I remember {NW} But We just Had to take care of all of them and Step daddy didn't have to do nothing Interviewer: Hmm I guess you got pretty tired at the end of the day 548: I mean Uh we'd all Pick our cotton And then we'd get ready to go Pick Out by the hundred And One place we we had to walk Five miles to work To pick cotton in them days Which you couldn't I couldn't do it now nobody else wouldn't But them days we walked five miles from standing there when daylight would come to go picking cotton Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh So we'd uh Way out by a match When we quit to go home Okay we walked home and the time we got home then And um And cooked supper and ate And Got into bed it was way late then And Oh I wasn't but about No more than seven or eight years old myself And but Um I was supposed to get up and wash dishes that morning My sisters cooked One milked the cow and one cooked and I washed dishes And I was about seven or eight years old Man I took that I couldn't take it One morning {NW} One morning they got me up to wash dishes When they got up to cook breakfast And I just could not hold my eyes open {NW} I crawled under the table under the couch and I mean under the bench and went to sleep And my sister went on to cook the breakfast she wouldn't wake me up They'd call breakfast and boy when my step daddy would come in I really got it I didn't crawl under that bench and go to sleep no more {NW} Interviewer: He didn't care for that huh 548: Uh-uh I'll tell you too though nowadays it's so much different than it was then Interviewer: We don't have to do as much hard work as you had to 548: Nobody I know of around here Me and my sisters We was just raised by a step papa and he didn't care Interviewer: Where was your place was it out um a ways from Greenville 548: No this was back up around road going through And uh So then my husband worked over at Chicago mill Interviewer: Worked where 548: Chicago mill over here Interviewer: What's that 548: Where they make crates to put Jeeps in and different thing It's right over here Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: On eleventh And um So he got Sick to where he couldn't work on a public job And so he said uh Well he said we can move out to the country and about With the children helping us you know why maybe we could make a living Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: So we moved down here way side {B} place And uh so we stayed down there about twelve years And uh So the biggest part of the time he was sick And me and the children we we'd hope For three dollars a day to give us something to eat Interviewer: Mm-hmm do you remember how old you were when you moved down there 548: Not how old I was uh-uh Interviewer: Were you a little girl 548: Oh no a matter of fact I had some Was Married and had children Interviewer: Oh oh I see 548: And um So uh I I was talking about my husband worked over here you know Interviewer: Oh I see yeah 548: And he got sick Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And we moved from there down to west side Interviewer: I see yeah 548: And uh I don't {NS} Don't remember much else Interviewer: Um when you were growing up out in the country did you ever go into town much 548: No We didn't know what it was to go to town Or get a Piece of candy and I got one pair of shoes In my life before I married Interviewer: Hmm 548: That's right One pair I'll never forget it Interviewer: Where did you get those 548: I was living in Ruleville then We was out on the farm And my Papa Step daddy thought you know we was going to start to church and that's how come he gave me a pair of shoes Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Got us all a pair of shoes And uh So I I got to go to church one time And so he didn't go back to church We didn't either if he didn't go we didn't go Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Oh no Interviewer: Do you remember how old you were when you got those shoes 548: Nine or ten I think And that was the first pair I know I ever had in my life Interviewer: So were were you uh were you born in around Ruleville that part of the country 548: Uh-uh I told you when I was talking to you I was born in uh Silver pines in the hills Interviewer: Silver pines 548: But I was took away from there when I was two years old I didn't know no more about it Nothing but Mississippi Ruleville and Drew well I say Mississippi if you know where it's at Interviewer: Ruleville 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: So y'all when you were about two y'all went to Ruleville 548: Mm-hmm And Drew and Moorhead Morgan City In fact So when Uh we lived way out in the country Out from {X} And I'll tell you man things got so hard out there we couldn't even get something to eat Well we wound up Um We moved to uh Greenville but the meanwhile it had been several days We hadn't had anything to eat but parts of corn Interviewer: Oh 548: And that wasn't that wasn't way back you know You know that was after I married {NW} After we got to Greenville we made we made it pretty good Interviewer: About how old were you when you moved here to Greenville 548: {NS} Oh I wasn't over Thirty something I I had one child Well I had three when I moved to Greenville Two of them was dead And So I had three children while I've been here I was about Thirty something Interviewer: Yes ma'am {X} I mean were they all boys or 548: Five boys and two girls Interviewer: So what happened to the ones that died 548: Well One of them we lived way back in the country And Way back in them days Seemed like a Well people didn't know nothing about no doctors didn't Really didn't care enough about no doctor Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh {NS} So If if you lived on a man's place you had to be dying before he would get you a doctor Interviewer: Oh 548: You know you didn't have no money now Not Not if you lived {NW} Out making a farm {X} Crop on somebody else's farm Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh So this here baby taking sick And we was picking cotton And its grandma was keeping it And she says I give this baby a piece of bread and um It was trying to eat it Left some blood on the bread Interviewer: Hmm 548: Said you ought to take it to take a doctor Well so we We couldn't carry it to no doctor really never Never thought really We just went on back to the field And um {NS} That evening sure enough it takes sick Interviewer: Hmm 548: Real sick Well our boss man carried it to the doctor And So he'd had done taken a lockjaw Interviewer: Oh 548: It was tonsillitis and uh lockjaw And uh So the other Who was born in twenty-six died in twenty-seven Of It it taken colitis And it died in twenty-seven you know during that overflow Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: So anyway I've got five living Interviewer: Do they live around here 548: I have two sons you know lives here in town Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And I have a daughter that lives in {X} Morgan City Louisiana And a daughter that lives in Dayton Texas And a S- And a son that lives in uh Dallas Texas Interviewer: Hmm do you ever get to see them do they ever come down here much 548: Uh-uh Not much {X} Interviewer: What do your sons do for a living 548: Well the one in Dallas Texas he's got a A car bike shop And he's the oldest boy Of mine He worked here at a plant now what plant I don't know But the baby boy he works on the boat on the river Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh that's That's what my boys doing Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Of course the girls they don't work Got a house full of young ones Interviewer: Right yeah right did did you ever uh have a job in something or were you a housewife most of your life 548: I was a housewife All but working in the field {NS} Interviewer: So everybody had to work in the field 548: {X} Everybody {NS} I'd go up to the field when they did After I married I'd go up to the field when they did And then I'd come to the house when they did And I didn't have time to cook you know But I'd just make me a skillet of Meal Thick and brown I don't know what you ever saw any or not Interviewer: What's that like 548: {NW} Well Interviewer: #1 You said it's # 548: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: Thick and brown 548: Yeah Interviewer: Tell me about that 548: You putting that on the record Interviewer: It's okay 548: {NW} Interviewer: Doesn't matter 548: {NW} Anyway I I'd come in I didn't have time to cook so anyway I'd uh Just put me on a skillet A little grease in it Brown me some meat on in that you're making bread I know you know that Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Brown me some meal in there And uh When it got good and brown Um Pour me some water in there and it would be good and thick Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Good and thick and cook me a pan of bread that's what we had Go up to the field when they did Interviewer: Is that uh you said that's called thickening {D: bread} 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Did you ever make much uh bread made out of corn meal 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: How'd you make that 548: Well I'd always get the kind that's Already seasoned you know And uh So I just Put a little milk in it or water Stir it up and a little grease Put it in the stove and bake it And So That that's what we had to do Interviewer: Did you make that in a skillet too 548: Cornbread Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh-uh I make it up in a bowl you know and then Get my skillet good and hot I generally sprinkle me a little meat all around the bottom of the skillet won't stick Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: If you brown that meal first And uh So then Pour it out of my bowl over in that hot skillet set in the stove Cook it Interviewer: Is that the same thing as corn pone 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Is that what you call it 548: It's the same thing Uh-huh Only I just Put mine in the skillet you know Just Quickest way to get it done Interviewer: Right {NW} Did they did they call it corn pone or a pone of corn or what 548: Uh-uh Cornbread's all I ever called it Interviewer: Just cornbread I see 548: {uh uh-huh Interviewer: Have you ever called of any kind of corn bread called a {D: hoecake} 548: Cooked a many of one Interviewer: {NW} Could you tell me how you did that and they look like 548: Well I just Stir my meal up in a Bowl you know my Like I was going to make corn bread But I get my skillet hot And I put just a little bit in that skillet Enough for Wasn't so thick you know {NW} And then when it cooked on that side I'd {NW} Stick my knife under the edge of it and stick And put my plate under That a way Then I'd turn my whole cake over this way Slip my plate under the bottom And then grease the skillet Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And then turn the whole cake over back in the skillet {NS} I cooked a many of them I love them too Interviewer: Yes ma'am did you put anything on them when you ate them 548: Eat it with you know just With greens or anything I was eating I generally put a right smart grease in mine make it taste good Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: My hoecakes {NW} Interviewer: Right did did people when they cooked greens ever cook a little cornbread along with them 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What'd they do that for 548: Well they They just Cooked greens in the pot and they cooked the corn bread in the stove You know like I was telling you Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Make it up and cook it in the stove I always do want cornbread bread with my greens Interviewer: Yes ma'am but you didn't cook the cornbread #1 In with the greens # 548: #2 With the greens # Uh-uh Interviewer: Didn't do that 548: Uh-uh {NS} I've heared of it but I ain't never done it Interviewer: Yes ma'am did you ever cook anything along with the greens 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Did you ever 548: Piece of meat I love meat in greens That's all Interviewer: What kind of meat is that 548: Just old salt meat {NS} Plain old salt meat Baked but I don't like eating greens Interviewer: You don't 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Why not 548: I don't know somehow it ain't got the same taste Interviewer: {NW} 548: Not to me Interviewer: Yes ma'am the salt meat gives it a better flavor 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Have you ever made potlicker how'd you 548: What I call it Is uh what I call potlicker is just You know soup of uh Greens or for beans you know The soup {X} Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Now that's what I call a potlicker Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But I do love a tub of cornbread Interviewer: Right it's pretty good did you ever hear of people back in the old days making cornbread in the fireplace or cooking any kind of bread in the fireplace 548: Yeah I heard my Mother-in-law talking about that {NW} She had an old Big old skillet with eggs on it And a lid And uh She'd uh make her her bread up and put it in that big old skillet But she cooked it in the fireplace And she'd get her some coals you know and put on that Top of that skillet Shoot that cooked good bread Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I saw her cook some after we was married {NW} She still had the skillet so she cooked some in the fireplace {D: that time too} Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: {X} Interviewer: And that thing had legs on it 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: How many did it have 548: Oh it was a big old skillet And it was just about that deep Interviewer: About three or four inches 548: Yeah Just about that deep Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh So it had legs on it about that long Interviewer: About two inches 548: Three Interviewer: Three 548: I I mean three legs about that long And then a good heavy lid on it It just Better than cooking it in the oven didn't take near as long Interviewer: Hmm 548: And So I saw her cook bread and then One Several times Interviewer: Yes ma'am have you ever heard of a skillet like that called a spider 548: No Interviewer: It was just a skillet 548: Honestly I don't know what it was but I All I know was a skillet that's what she cooked in Interviewer: Looked like a skillet yes ma'am I see did you ever hear of any kind of uh cornbread these round things you know got onions in them 548: Muffins Interviewer: Right how'd you make those 548: Well now the truth I ain't ever made them Interviewer: Oh you haven't I see 548: I ain't really ever taken the time to do that I Make a skillet of bread and go on Don't want to have a skillet Interviewer: Yes ma'am when you make that is that uh pretty thick in the middle 548: Yeah used to be But now it'd just be one uh-uh But now if I cook a If I cook cornbread now I wrap it up in uh Uh this here cellophane paper you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And Put the nice box and eat off of it two or three days you say um Soup or potlicker or whatever you want to call it you know I warm up my stove And put it over my cornbread and it's just as good as it ever was Interviewer: Yes ma'am what kind of things do you like to eat 548: Well I I don't know too much about it {NS} Now for breakfast I like uh Sausage and eggs Grits And for lunch Um I ain't supposed to eat no dry beans nothing like that Interviewer: Why 548: High blood and And uh Hernia and First one thing and then the But I'm not supposed to Eat no dried beans so I I mostly make soup or Sometimes I Buy me Some Chicken that's already cooked or Or fry me a piece or two of chicken or Fry me some squashes or you know first one thing then the other might be Interviewer: Yes ma'am what other kind of vegetables besides squash do you like 548: Well I like tomatoes I like tomatoes and And uh Green butter beans I eat them I love them too Onions I like lots of onions {NS} Interviewer: My grandmother does too she likes to eat a slice of raw onion with her lunch 548: Yeah but I can't {NW} I've got teeth but I can't wear them Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: That They ain't never been fixed right Interviewer: But they don't fit 548: Uh-uh They don't fit Interviewer: Hmm 548: So Anyway I can't wear them But I was I was Thirty years old When all of my teeth was pulled Interviewer: Hmm 548: And I haven't had any teeth since Interviewer: Is that right 548: And I had me some made on Medicaid Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And on Medicaid uh In Texas They don't do that here But they will in Texas Interviewer: Hmm 548: You know In Texas They made me some but I couldn't wear them Interviewer: Hmm 548: Seems like they're too Deep you know My my gums don't even pinch it My gums Top of the gums around my teeth here Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They just Cut along along that up there that's too deep {NS} Well Interviewer: So you like squash and onions and butter beans any other kind of beans you like 548: Well Yes I like pinto beans but they've got to be cooked you know Pour water on Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Whenever they boil a little bit that water begins to turn black Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And then you drain it off And put a little butter in it Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And they won't hurt me I love them too Interviewer: Mm-hmm did you ever buy yourself a a a lot of beans or butter beans and have to sit down and you know 548: Pick pick the rocks out Interviewer: Right 548: {NW} Yes sir lots of them Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Lots of them Interviewer: You had to get them out of the pot you had to 548: Hmm Interviewer: Those butter beans you had to get them out of the pot 548: Oh oh yeah Shell beans Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: We called Yeah We had uh We had to shell out green beans Peas or whatever we'd get We had to shell them Interviewer: Does that does that take very long to shell them 548: Uh-uh No It don't take long {X} About uh Seven years ago I had taken sick And I already I'm making a mess out of that Interviewer: No this is okay go ahead what was the matter with you 548: Well I went to a Doctor Doctor Hurst and he didn't know what was the matter with me Well I was just Just like I was in a bed of ants Interviewer: Hmm 548: Oh I was just stinging all over And uh So I went to {NW} Uh {B} Skin specialist Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: He was supposed to know But no He didn't know what was the matter with me Okay He wound up sending me to the psychiatrist Interviewer: Oh 548: {NW} When I got there I didn't know where I was going Uh he just called this man made an appointment well I went on {NW} And I sat down and just looked him at so funny I know I did he looked funny to me And uh I said well what kind of doctor are you anyhow He said psychiatrist {NW} man That got me {NW} And uh Just think now that skin specialist done that Interviewer: Hmm 548: Okay Well I went to {B} And he told me it was black heads Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: And it was all over me then Interviewer: Hmm 548: And uh So Well I went to nearly every doctor the biggest part of it None of them didn't know what it was Interviewer: Hmm 548: So I went to one doctor he says Well you've got the itch Well I didn't have that either {NW} So okay I went to Texas to my daughters hoping I'd find a doctor could do something for me Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Well I went out there To One of them big sure enough one of them big clinics you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh Where you send people from hundreds of miles in there you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I went in there and they they didn't know They put me in the hospital twice {D: they never could tell} Well fine I'll just give up said well I'll just go back home So I come back to Greenville {NW} Went to doc {B} And man I was covered in skin cancers Interviewer: Oh 548: And that's what it was Interviewer: Hmm 548: And uh So I told him about uh This doctor {B} Sending me to the psychiatrist He just laughed And he looked at my arms he says I don't think a Psychi- Str- -trist will do that any good Interviewer: No {NW} 548: And he had to burn them off Interviewer: Ugh 548: Man he burned them off and burned them off One time he burnt thirty off across my shoulders back there Interviewer: Ew 548: I mean And my neck I was just like I was worse than I was {X} But now then I'm just about to get well Interviewer: Well that's good I'm glad to hear that 548: Finally found a doctor that knows what he's doing Interviewer: How long did they give you pain before you got it taken care of 548: Oh it was about Between six and seven years Interviewer: Oh 548: Man they just {D: light me up telling people I'm crazy} Interviewer: They hurt all the time 548: Just itches yeah Uh I don't know just go to itching you know and you go scratching and just itching {NW} And maybe Oh I'd uh I put everything on it rubbing alcohol and everything else made It just flattened down a little bit and then in a little bit it'd start again But I couldn't sleep at all at night Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But I never got nothing done for me until I got back over here to doctor {B} And that's the one doctor I didn't go to before I left here I didn't go to him I went to the other skin specialist {B} Didn't work though Interviewer: Do you still go see him every now and then 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Well I can't see any trace of that stuff on you 548: {NW} No Interviewer: Okay 548: There's some Hard not too long Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: Hard not to scratch too much Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh Little Little spots all All over me Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: And all I mean Bumps and bumps all all over me it was worse than they are out here Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And the doctor that was caused by me being out in the hot sun when I was young Interviewer: Is that right 548: That's what he said Interviewer: Well I'll be I'm glad you got that taken care of 548: Yes sir And I had a bunch of them taken off around my neck I know you can see them Interviewer: I see 548: Not fading Interviewer: Yes ma'am I know that must have been painful 548: {NW} Wasn't no sleep for me at night day or the night neither Interviewer: You were talking about uh raising cotton what uh could you tell me about what you did when you raised cotton 548: Well I I didn't know too much about what What they did way back then Back yonder or now Interviewer: Back yonder 548: Well I didn't do anything but break it up and Plow the ground good and then plant it Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And then hold it And plow But Nowadays they don't have to even hold it Nowadays they just Got some stuff they put in the dirt you know For the planting Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And then they don't They don't hoe it now Interviewer: I didn't know that 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Sounds like an improvement 548: It is Them back yonder them days you couldn't keep it hoed to save your life It would just keep growing all the time The grass and weeds and vines {NW} But nowadays you don't even have to hoe it uh at all Interviewer: What kind of grass did you have trouble with huckleberries or something like that 548: Yes Back in them days you did but not now Because they They don't grow on that land nowadays you put that Stuff in that dirt you know before you plant it Huckleberries and everything Nothing don't come up in there no kind of Watergrass or nothing And they dropped the They dropped the cotton about this far apart The seed About that far apart Interviewer: About two or three feet 548: Mm-hmm And They'd just just come up just like that and dropped it you know and There ain't no weeds no grass You just go in there and plow And then when they get ready they go in there in one of these mechanical pickers and pick Interviewer: Yes ma'am do you ever have to chop cotton 548: Oh of course Many a day Interviewer: Tell me what you did what what you had to do when you chopped cotton 548: Well During that time I I was talking about making that gravy during that time is when it was chopping time Uh For three dollars a day To feed my family And I don't know you just {NW} Uh you cut the Them Them days they just Sold the cotton picked And you go through and chop that cotton You've got to hoe {X} Chop it out a hoe's width apart And Chop that cotton out and all that grass and weeds out from around the cotton And then somebody else comes along and plows Interviewer: Is that the same thing as thinning it thinning it thinning the cotton out 548: Yeah thin the cotton out yeah Interviewer: Is that the same thing as chopping it 548: Well No you Well it is the same thing because you just Thin the cotton and cut the grass and all at the same time that That's how I went in and chopped me two it don't make no difference Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see you were talking about an overflow uh that y'all had what was that exactly 548: Well that was in twenty-seven Um We lived down here near the Memphis City Then Interviewer: Down near where 548: Near Memphis City Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: That And uh So we had to leave home on account of Man water got Got way on up in our house We had to leave home And uh I went out to my Sister's She lived up in Drew Drew Mississippi Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh We went out down there to stay until the water went down And uh My brother in law told my husband says uh You just come on and help me in the field says if y'all need any doctor any medicine I'll get it Well my husband went on went to work For him And I already was sick had Typhoid fever or something Interviewer: Oh 548: And uh So I couldn't tend to my baby It was just crawling And it crawled over that floor and And just Nobody to tend to it and it just cried all the time not {NW} I couldn't even pick it up and put it on the bed much less something else And there was a lady Just married A young Girl And she comes down there and she says uh What about me taking the baby down to my house And says I'll clean it up and And I'll Feed it its dinner and give it its nap {X} And I'll bring it back I said okay So she carried the baby on down to her house And uh And so she fed the baby When Come {NW} She got it to sleep {NW} When the baby woke up I reckoned she thought She was doing the baby a favor She took it out to the dewberry vines Had dewberries man you've never seen {X} Dewberries And she picked them things and fed them to that baby and it had four teeth Interviewer: Oh 548: And he was swallowing them whole Interviewer: Hmm 548: And So That night he had taken colitis Interviewer: Hmm 548: And that's what killed the baby Interviewer: Oh 548: That brother in law of mine didn't ever get me a bottle of medicine A doctor or nothing Interviewer: Hmm were there any doctors around there 548: No You see we missed We went on out there but we had uh Just come on out of Town there Of sunflower With the rest of the people that come out of the water I would have had a doctor you see But I didn't Uh I went on to my sister's I would have not done it but I did Would have invited her to come on out with the rest of them I'd have had a doctor Interviewer: Yes ma'am kind of rough back then wasn't it 548: {NW} And just think Just Now How much the Interviewer: Hear people talk about the good old days they really don't know what they were talking about I guess weren't always so good 548: {X} Well We didn't know in them days it was so hard though We didn't know the difference We just thought it was normal we didn't know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But of course nowadays we know the difference Interviewer: How big of rooms were there in the house that you grew up in 548: {NS} Well I moved in so many houses I don't know Interviewer: What about the one that you lived did you live in one longer than the others when you were growing up 548: Yeah I believe uh I believe we lived at uh Drew longer than than we did anywhere else We lived on {B} Lane I I It was a big four room house uh Interviewer: Was it shotgun 548: Uh-uh Big four room house Shotgun's a three Three room house you know Interviewer: So 548: Straight through Interviewer: Oh I see what were the different rooms that you had in it 548: Well we had a A Kitchen Dining room And two bedrooms That's what we had Interviewer: So you say you moved around a pretty good bit when you were growing up 548: Seemed like uh I don't know nearly every year we had uh Go through that same thing of cleaning the Uh place to make a crop You know different places Interviewer: What uh what county are we in right now 548: {B} {X} Still in Mississippi is all I know Interviewer: Is this Washington County 548: This Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: It is I reckon Uh-huh Interviewer: Is that is that what they call it have you ever heard it called that before Washington ever heard it called that 548: I really don't know Interviewer: How old did you say you told me on the phone yesterday you were 548: Sixty-nine Interviewer: Do you go to a church around here 548: Uh-huh Little Pentecostal church down here on eighty-two Interviewer: Do you go pretty often 548: Yes sir I go every time somebody wants to come and get me Interviewer: Oh {NW} 548: I haven't got any way to go Interviewer: Oh I see 548: My children they don't go to church Any they wouldn't carry me You know they won't come and get me and carry me Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They don't go Interviewer: But do you have a friend of yours who comes and takes you 548: {NW} No so when I get to go uh The preacher up there him or his wife the one that comes and gets me That's the only way I get to go Course they'll come when I call them Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They'll always send somebody Interviewer: Have you always gone to a pentecostal church 548: Yeah When there's one you know close enough I can get to it {X} Interviewer: Do you enjoy going to church 548: Mm-hmm Sure do Interviewer: Did you do a lot of singing or 548: I try to Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Right uh do very many people go there 548: Well no not not too many it's a new church And there ain't too many going out there now They They have a good time Interviewer: Yes ma'am do they get new members every now and then 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Is there anything that you have to do when you become a member of the church out there 548: Not down there That kind of That kind of Pentecostal down there Uh They don't go by no church books or nothing you know Because when you When you Baptize and get the holy ghost then that that's it They don't have a church book Because they say that church book's going to burn up anyway And So they just don't have no church books Interviewer: Is there anything that happens during the church service when somebody becomes a member or anything 548: No Uh Interviewer: They they don't go down in front or 548: Yeah they they go to the altar and pray yeah But sometime sometime they don't even go to the altar and pray they They get the holy ghost without going up you know In the audience they just Get the singing you know They get the holy ghost But they don't They don't keep no record or nothing uh-uh Interviewer: You were saying that you didn't get a chance to go to school very much when you were growing up do you remember going to school at all 548: Mm-hmm One little place I remember And we went to school on {B} Place {NW} Just Just a few days {B} Place Interviewer: And that was all you went to school just a few days 548: Uh-huh Never did even get out of the first grade Interviewer: What is the what is the first grade 548: Well You know you start in the primary And then the next the first three Interviewer: After the primary 548: Yes {NS} Interviewer: Was this when you were living around Rueville 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: #1 Or Drew # 548: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: Around Rueville 548: Mm-hmm Yeah I had studied yeah that was it {NS} Interviewer: In the primary did they teach you how to read in the primary 548: Uh-huh Teach you to read They don't teach much though I know you You went through the primary yourself Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: It don't teach you much Interviewer: What were you supposed to learn as a first grader 548: Well mostly how to Interviewer: Arithmetic stuff like that 548: I don't think so Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: {X} I don't remember Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Uh what kind of tables Did they work back Multiplication tables Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Something like that Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh Read {NS} And Sort of Figure a little not much Interviewer: Did you have a a man or woman teacher 548: Woman Interviewer: Was it a a one room school house or 548: Yeah Just one little old Room sitting off {X} Interviewer: How many children were there during school do you remember 548: Well there was A good bunch of children there And you know them days what we carried for lunch Interviewer: What was that 548: {NW} We wouldn't eat with the rest of the children But some of them carried Just about what we did but we wouldn't eat With them {NS} We carried turnip greens and corn bread Or milk and bread or Just Whatever we could get that's what we had Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: When we got to go to school Uh Interviewer: Why wouldn't you eat with the rest of the kids 548: Didn't want them to see what we had {NW} What we had to eat Interviewer: Nothing wrong with that it's just regular food 548: Yeah I know it is But you know You didn't find very many eating that kind of food uh Interviewer: What would they eat 548: I don't know we'd be off in one place #1 And they'd be # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 548: At another Interviewer: Uh-huh I see 548: And Mister {D: Pebbles} His kids Grand kids They'd always go home and eat dinner Interviewer: Hmm 548: They always had good dinner Interviewer: This was the man who owned the place 548: Mm-hmm We was living with him Interviewer: I see have you ever been out of Mississippi 548: Yeah I've been Interviewer: Well you said you were in Texas 548: Mm-hmm I went to Texas that time Interviewer: And that was to visit uh your son 548: Uh-huh And daughter Interviewer: Have you ever been any place besides Texas 548: Uh-uh I was always scared to get out and travel by myself Interviewer: Is that right 548: Mm-hmm Hmm If I wasn't scared to I'd just I'd be gone half the time you know just go to my Sons and my daughters you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: On the bus Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But I don't know I'm just afraid I can't make it If I get on the bus Interviewer: Did you did you ever learn how to drive 548: Mm-mm Never learned how to drive none of that But when my husband died Uh we had bought a little old Volkswagen If I could uh drove If I could have drove it wouldn't have done me no good my children that are done away with it anyway They done away with my Volkswagen Interviewer: {D: Yeah} 548: {NS} So Me and my husband was baptized the same day {NS} Over here in the blue hole Do you know where it is Interviewer: No ma'am I just got in town the other #1 Day # 548: #2 That # That's the place that's over there that you think it ain't no got no bottom in it Interviewer: Is that right 548: That's right Interviewer: What it's just along the river 548: Uh-huh And uh So There's places in it that ain't got no bottom in it they tell me But we was baptized that day And my husband He He had come out of the water I don't know whether you believe in holiness or not But But he used He lived a hol- good holiness life Uh Ten years And uh so we just Got back you know and quit going to church and So Anyway when He went back though me and him was baptized again that day And So he died Right there where he was baptized at Interviewer: Hmm 548: And So That's been about Seven Seven or eight years ago So he died right there on the Banks Interviewer: Hmm what is that holiness you said he lived a good holiness life what does that mean exactly 548: Well {NW} I don't know Some folks Believes in uh Going to church you know and just sitting there you know not saying nothing Not get up and testify you knowing or nothing And you may be one of them I don't know But anyway Um A woman's got a soul to save the same as man has And I and I think it's right that a woman should get up You know and speak How she feels towards the lord you know During service and And uh Just Get up and And talk Just like she feels Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But Now Baptist Methodist Well lots of churches you know they don't believe in that they believe in {NW} A woman sitting still not saying nothing But I still think a woman ought to have her say Because she She's got her soul to save too And uh So A holiness just You know they don't Go to Out they don't Drink they don't dip they don't smoke And They They just clean their life up completely You know and they just {NS} Live a clean life that's all I can tell you Interviewer: It's okay for a woman to testify and all that at the Pentecostal church 548: Mm-hmm Yes sir yeah And a woman gets up and preaches in a Pentecostal church #1 Too # Interviewer: #2 Is that right # 548: That's right Interviewer: I didn't know that 548: That's right Interviewer: Do you go up to where the preacher is or just stand up where you're sitting 548: Well When they give you a They give them all a chance to testify you can just stand where you're at and #1 Testify # Interviewer: #2 Oh I see # 548: You don't stand Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And testify But down here where I go it's a woman preacher Interviewer: Oh 548: It's a woman preacher and a man preacher Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But But if you haven't ever been to one of them kind of churches I'd appreciate it that you'd go Interviewer: I went to one in Arkansas 548: You did Interviewer: The fellow I was talking to there they invited me to come 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: It was interesting 548: Well did you like it pretty good Interviewer: Uh it was I had never been to one like that before 548: It was just Sort of Odd but Interviewer: To me it was since I had never been #1 To a place like that before # 548: #2 Mm-hmm yeah # Well it's alright now because if if you live in that If you live the life you're going to live it clean Interviewer: Yes ma'am nothing wrong with that 548: No sir Interviewer: Uh have you ever been in any kind of uh club or anything like that any kind of uh well this six- sixty plus is that a club 548: Well I reckon it is But you don't join it you just Just the sixty plus like we go over there and eat dinner Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And sit just the sixty plus They go there and eat Well they have uh Golden age Clubs Well Um Some some of them goes over there Did I ain't hear They don't now I don't think And they go over there you know and play dominoes and of course one thing and another over there But I ain't hear from that and I don't think they do that now Interviewer: Do you ever play any games in the sixty plus club or any #1 Things like that # 548: #2 Uh-uh # Interviewer: Do you ever go on any trips or anything do they 548: No Interviewer: Have that kind of thing 548: Yeah they do have that kind of thing but I don't know they ain't never got around to me {X} Interviewer: Hmm 548: So I don't know Yeah they go off on trips Interviewer: How far away is this sixty plus thing where you eat 548: It's not Hmm It's not far at all You just Go Down Broadway you know where them red lights is down there Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: On eighty-two you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Well you go straight on across the road there And {X} Up a highway over yonder and turn that down it's just a Just a little piece down there Interviewer: I see 548: But But what I do here if uh Miss Pool over there you know they don't eat lunch over there they Interviewer: {X} 548: Uh-huh I imagine they will tomorrow Now for knowing I don't know but I imagine they will {NW} But it'd be mighty nice if you Walked in there She took a lot of older folks {X} Maybe they could tell you a lot more than I could Interviewer: Oh you're doing just fine I'm finding out just what I want to know from you 548: {NW} Interviewer: Was your uh your dad was a farmer then #1 I guess # 548: #2 Uh-huh # Interviewer: He was a farmer all of his life 548: Yeah mm-hmm Interviewer: Do you have do you think that he was uh he was brought up around uh seven times or around Rueville #1 Where you are now # 548: #2 Uh-uh # Interviewer: Do you know where he was from 548: I ought to know but I don't Interviewer: But you don't think it was around Rueville or that area 548: Uh-uh He he was born in the hill not around Silver Pines Interviewer: But you think he was a Mississippi man 548: Well Far as I know he was yeah Just say yeah that He was as far as I know Interviewer: But you say he was from the hill 548: I say he was born in the hill Interviewer: Born in the hill 548: Some part of hill Interviewer: And your mother I guess she helped out on the farm too 548: Mm-mm No sir Interviewer: Housewife 548: That's right Interviewer: Exactly how many uh children did your mother have 548: Well she didn't have but five Five by her first marriage I mean three by her first marriage And two by her last marriage Interviewer: I see oh that's right you say you had a step daddy how old were when your father died do you remember that 548: Two years old Interviewer: Just two uh was your mother do you think your mother was from the same part of the country your father was where she was born not sure about that did your do you think your your mother and father had a chance to go to school any 548: Mm-mm They didn't Interviewer: Didn't have a chance to go at all 548: Uh-uh Well they couldn't write Couldn't read and write Interviewer: I guess it was pretty hard back then to be able to go to school {X} 548: Or or either Well that's all all you could look forward to is farming Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh you know there was a few you know That could Do other things But {X} Folks uh didn't have much education all they could do was farm Interviewer: Yes ma'am yeah a lot of people I talked to said that you had so much work to do on the farm that uh just couldn't afford to go to school 548: Well that's the truth too That's the truth too And really You didn't have clothes to wear you went And really you were so far away from the school house you couldn't {NW} Probably couldn't walk that far so Interviewer: So that's a that was just a regular thing back then 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: The fact that people didn't go to school much just the way it was I guess 548: Yeah that's the way it was Interviewer: Did you ever did you ever know your grandparents did you ever see them 548: Well I I was small I remember seeing my grandfather Just seeing him and that's all Interviewer: Was that your on your father's side 548: Mm-hmm On my father's side Interviewer: Did you know anything at all about him 548: No Interviewer: Like where he was from or anything like that 548: No lord I didn't know Interviewer: {NW} 548: I was quite small Interviewer: Yes ma'am I guess he was a farmer too 548: Yeah mm-hmm Yeah he was a farmer Interviewer: Did you ever meet your grandmother 548: On my mother's side I did Interviewer: Did she live uh close to where you are on the farm 548: No Uh I I I really don't know where she Was born nothing like that Only thing I remember is uh She picked cotton with us children Interviewer: #1 Is that right # 548: #2 When we were # Little And that's all I remember about her Interviewer: She was probably a housewife though 548: That's all she ever was was a housewife Interviewer: And you don't know anything about her husband #1 Your granpda # 548: #2 Uh-uh # Interviewer: On your mother's side 548: He was dead already Before we Interviewer: Did you ever hear your mother talk about uh times when she was growing up 548: Not too much Interviewer: You say uh your husband died about seven years ago 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: How old was he when he died 548: He was about I don't know exactly but he was Seventy I'll say seventy-three {NS} Interviewer: {NW} Ah let's see you were telling me about your husband and you say he was a he was a member of this Pentecostal 548: #1 Uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 Church too # Do you know anything about his schooling 548: {NS} He didn't have any Interviewer: Didn't have any schooling 548: Mm-mm Interviewer: Was he was he able to read and write 548: No all he could He could figure and keep up his cotton weights and such as that you know Just figure just a little bit that's all Interviewer: And you say he worked well was he the one who worked at this mill 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Was he in any kind of uh church group or any other kind of club or anything like that 548: Uh-uh Sure Interviewer: Was he from around here is this where he was brought up 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: In Greenville 548: No not in Greenville uh Around Rueville and through up in there And I lived in Rueville when he met me Interviewer: Is that right how did y'all meet 548: Well My s- My step-daddy wouldn't Wouldn't let no Boys come Around Around to see us girls And he went to the gin with a bale of cotton And my husband Uncle Brought This My {NS} This boy to my house While he my Step-daddy was going to the gin And uh so oh we talked a little bit you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But I mean my Husband's uncle He went back by the gin and told him says I I carried the old sacks yonder to see your daughter While you was gone So Of course my step-daddy didn't say nothing to him he waited until he got to me And So he He says that boy ain't coming back here no more And Says if he does then you're going to talk in the same room where I am I says I ain't going to talk to him And uh So anyway My step-daddy take him to You know before But we had our date Set But before he had come back to talk to me my Step-daddy had hematuria And he was shut up over there in one room he couldn't get out You know he was in such a bad shape Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Well he was He was dead inside for two days after he had taken hematuria Well he had come back My husband {NS} Come back and talk to me that That time And uh You know we just the whole house was only So anyway We he asked me to marry him the second time he had come Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: So I told him yeah And my step-daddy done told me Um If uh After he had taken sick he told me said well If you want to marry that boy you marry him since it's your bed if you make it hard you're the one you got to lay down on it Interviewer: Hmm 548: And uh But he wouldn't give up when he got sick And when he got sick and He told me I could go ahead and marry him Interviewer: You say he got hematuria what 548: Hematuria Interviewer: Hematuria what what what's wrong with you 548: Kidneys just turns to blood Interviewer: Ugh 548: Just blood and doctors can't do nothing about it Interviewer: Goodness bad 548: And he had hematuria seven times Interviewer: Whew pretty rough 548: Yeah Your blood will be gone and you That's it Interviewer: Did you get along with your step-daddy very much 548: Yeah I knowed to get along with him I know not to back Talk him uh-uh Interviewer: Did you like him didn't like him too much 548: I was scared of him Interviewer: Did he give you spankings a lot or 548: He didn't spank none of us I'll tell you Uh When he when he would woo he'd get a buggy switch Or a {X} Interviewer: Hmm 548: Maybe you know what that is I don't know Interviewer: That sounds like it probably hurt 548: Uh-huh Man he cut the blood every time he hit you Interviewer: Hmm 548: We was scared of him So I don't know Interviewer: Yeah that's pretty 548: Well Before he died Before he died uh he had a chill He had chills about two weeks And went on picking cotton every day and had three sixes In that pot Interviewer: Had three what 548: Sixes A medicine Interviewer: Oh 548: For he For chills Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And every once in a while he'd just open his bottle and take him a Swallow of that you know No time of day of course you're supposed to take it right And That day he had a chill on him and He'd come into the Stove where I was cooking dinner We went in for dinner And He was sitting there watching me and He said Claire Bell if I asked you something will you tell me the truth I ain't going to whoop you Well I knew when he said that he wasn't going to whoop me And he says I ain't I ain't going to say Say the rest of it not on that thing But anyhow He He says ain't you girls said lots of times you big enough you'd kill that old And I I said I said yes sir we sure have We says we was big enough we'd just kill you and get you head off Interviewer: Hmm 548: Then he began to try to Um Explain things So I I couldn't see No good in what he was talking about So I never gave my apologies to him But he laid corpse in two days Interviewer: Is that right 548: That's right Always have felt bad though I should made apologies Interviewer: Well that's just the way it goes 548: But if it ain't from your heart well it ain't no good anyway Interviewer: Yes ma'am that's true {NW} Uh talking about your house what about uh the room that people used when they had company you know 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What did they call that 548: Back in them wasn't nothing like that #1 Um # Interviewer: #2 What # 548: Course there was a front room where you went in but generally they had beds in that front room And in the middle room Because if you got a three room house and you had a You know there was four or five of you you had to have beds anyhow Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They didn't they didn't keep a room just like we do now uh-uh {NS} Interviewer: What would you call a room like that nowadays 548: {NS} Nowadays Interviewer: Yes ma'am say the best room in the house 548: I don't know what they called it back in them days Interviewer: What about now 548: What about now Interviewer: Call it the living 548: The living room I reckon Interviewer: Do you ever hear people call it the parlor 548: {NS} Yeah I sure have #1 Since you said that # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Does that mean the same thing 548: Mm-hmm I hear them call it that Interviewer: What 548: Parlor living room or Different things I Like I told you starting there's so many things I done forgot Interviewer: That's okay have you ever been in a house that had a real high ceiling 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Kind of old-fashioned house 548: Yeah And you'll freeze to death in that house #1 during the winter time # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Is that right 548: You bet Takes so much heat you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: To go up to that Fill that room Now this in here won't be hard to keep Interviewer: About how high are these ceilings here 548: Uh I don't know They ain't high though Interviewer: You reckon they're about ten uh 548: I imagine about ten foot Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Now for knowing I don't know Interviewer: That looks about right I don't imagine you have any trouble keeping this place heated do you 548: I don't imagine I will Interviewer: Oh that's right you haven't been in here 548: {NW} Interviewer: In cold weather 548: {NW} Interviewer: That's right yeah 548: We see that uh They pay their They pay the water And the gas here anyhow And I pay the electric {X} Interviewer: I see where'd you live before you moved over here 548: Eight nineteen south of {X} Right over there Three room Shotgun outfit Interviewer: Mm 548: Just three room Interviewer: Yes ma'am they had uh had you been trying to get in over here for a while 548: Mm-hmm yeah You have to Sign up and wait a good long while Finally when they get you on into it then you can get it Interviewer: Back when you were growing up did y'all use a fireplace 548: Sure did Interviewer: Could you tell me about how you built a fire in one of those things 548: Well Yeah I made a mini one {NW} But in the evening I'd always pick up {NS} Get me kindling Little Little limbs or kindling little stuff that's easy to light Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh So I tried we tried to keep a little coal oil And put a little coal oil on that kindling And uh Put our wood on the fire and then set Set the kindling on fire you know and then That's all we'd have a fire Interviewer: Did you burn big pieces of 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Wood 548: Yeah Called back sticks great big Sticks about that big around you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And lay that in the back of a Fireplace over there And then put littler wood in the front That would throw the heat out now Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Oil Them things good too Interviewer: Right 548: I still like a fireplace Interviewer: I do too would those back sticks burn all night 548: Yeah Probably be part of it there in the morning Interviewer: Hmm 548: Still have some fodder Start my fire with Interviewer: Yes ma'am was there anything inside the fireplace that you laid those back sticks on 548: Mm-hmm We called them fire dogs Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And Anyway it {NS} I guess you've seen them Interviewer: I haven't seen too many of them what did yours look like 548: Well it's a Big old tall piece of iron It's heavy And then Uh Down here It'd spark that way and it stands up on the And then there's a Piece of iron runs out from that back To the back of the fireplace And you lay your wood on that Not lay it down flat then it wouldn't burn anyway Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Lay your wood on {NS} We called them fire dogs I don't know what they are Interviewer: Yeah I've heard them called that was there a open area right in front of the fireplace 548: Uh-huh down under the wood Interviewer: Did that have a name 548: No I was just talking about the wood that's up here you know it's open down under there Interviewer: Oh 548: Where you Put your kindling and stuff #1 Set the # Interviewer: #2 Right # 548: Fire Interviewer: I was thinking maybe that there was an open place right in front of the fireplace 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Called the hearth or hearth 548: There was a hearth down there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: There was bricks A a brick place you know around in front of the fireplace to where You know the floor won't catch fire Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see was there a place right over the fireplace where you could put pictures or stuff like that 548: A mantle That's what we called it a mantle Interviewer: Yes ma'am when you burned a lot of wood in your fireplace that stuff that's left after it's burned down 548: Ash Interviewer: What color were those usually 548: Well sometimes it was Black Or just Corner of the kind of wood you'd burn Interviewer: I see you know when you burn a lot of wood in a fireplace do you get this black stuff inside 548: Smut {NW} Yeah But uh Um We used to slack our water I burned hickory wood If we could get hickory wood We would burn that Uh Wood and then Put the ashes in the flower sack And uh Drop it in the barrel fill up with old pumped water And it would slack that water For us to wash our clothes in Interviewer: Oh 548: That old nasty pump water you couldn't wash your clothes in And we always had to slack it But Just put them ash in the sack and drop it down that barrel Fill it full of water shoot we got some good wash water {NW} Interviewer: When you say you slacked the water 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What did what did that do to it 548: I don't know what they just old hard water you know and it just Well you wouldn't get your clothes clean Interviewer: Hmm 548: And Interviewer: Would those ashes help out 548: Uh-huh I don't reckon you even know what pump water is do you Interviewer: No not really I sure don't {NW} 548: Well it ain't good I don't like it But But anyway why We had to slack before we washed Interviewer: Some people have told me that that smut can catch fire have you heard that 548: Yes It can Burn the chimney out and boy that Fire will go way up there Interviewer: You ever seen that happen 548: Uh-huh yeah And uh And so I've always heard to go Throw salt in fire you know when your chimney catches fire And the dampness of that salt you know will put it out Interviewer: Huh 548: And we've done that many a time too Interviewer: It works 548: Yeah it worked uh-huh Interviewer: That's interesting I haven't heard of that before 548: It did though Just Go get you a big handful of salt and pour it in the fire And sometime I'll do my chimney sweeps and burns {X} In the chimney Boy I mean when You know whenever you start making a fire in winter time They have to go Interviewer: {NW} I guess they do what about {NW} {NS} This thing right here what would you call this 548: Couch Interviewer: Ever heard it call it by any other name 548: No Interviewer: What about sofa 548: {NW} I reckon so Interviewer: Call it that would that be the same thing 548: Yes It would answer for the same thing Interviewer: For what 548: It it would answer for the same thing yeah But I just always called it a couch Interviewer: But you've heard that other word used 548: Sofa uh-huh It's both the same thing though Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: It's got to be Interviewer: What about what you're sitting in what would you call that 548: A chair is all I know Interviewer: Were there when when you were growing up did y'all have a couch in the house 548: Uh-uh Might have had Three or four little straight chairs like this Interviewer: You mentioned I think uh a bench in your house where was that 548: Bench Interviewer: #1 Right # 548: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Whereabouts was that 548: Well that was on uh Mister Pebbles' place Uh Yeah Top My step-daddy and I made a Bench To go down one side of the table For us children to eat On the bench And I was so small I had to set a bucket on the bench and me sit on the bucket To be high enough to eat Interviewer: Is that right 548: Yes Yeah We we had a bench in the house biggest part of the time Around the table Interviewer: Did you have anything in your bedroom that you didn't have anywhere else in the house like where you kept your clothes 548: No There wasn't no closets them days to hang them in neither Um Um #1 No # Interviewer: #2 Where # Where'd you hang your clothes 548: Just hung them on the wall Interviewer: Just had to hang them on the wall 548: Yeah Put a nail on the wall Interviewer: What would you call that thing right there with drawers 548: I just call it a nightstand Interviewer: Would it have drawers in it where you put clothes in 548: Mm-hmm But it's in the wrong place it belongs in {NW} Interviewer: Do you have a thing with drawers that's got a mirror on it 548: Mm-mm Hadn't got a dresser Now a dresser belongs with this but I didn't get the dresser Interviewer: Yes ma'am and you would call that a nightstand 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: It's got about four drawers to it 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: No mirror 548: Yep Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call something like that a chester drawer 548: Yep Interviewer: Is that the way they say it 548: Yes Chester drawers or either Nightstand I just call it anything Interviewer: Same thing 548: Yep Interviewer: Yeah we were you were talking about uh places where you would hang the clothes uh you know some people before they had closets in their house 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: They had these great big old things with doors that would have hanging space inside like it was a separate piece of furniture 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Have you ever seen anything like that 548: Yeah Yeah I've seen them but I I hadn't ever owned one Interviewer: Where did you see it 548: Oh I don't know Out In Other people's houses I saw some up there in the store too It's got a mirror Come comes all the way down there The Door Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And you open it and you hang your clothes in that Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: You re- 548: We didn't have nothing like that back in them days Interviewer: {NW} 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Do you remember what they called those things a wardrobe or 548: Wardrobe I don't Interviewer: Okay um these things that you have over your window to keep the light out what would you call that 548: Drapes Curtains {NS} Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I just say curtains Interviewer: Yes ma'am have you ever had these things that are on rollers and the top is where you pull them down 548: Just uh shades #1 You know to pull that mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 Right right # 548: {NS} I had some before I moved over here but after I moved here they won't fit these big windows Interviewer: Oh they won't 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Do you like those shades better or do you prefer these curtains 548: Well being up on the Seventh floor I just prefer the curtains I like plenty of light Interviewer: Yeah I do too 548: {NW} Interviewer: Don't like dark houses 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Uh did you uh have this all of this at your other house 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Just moved it over here 548: Mm-hmm Well when I had come back from Texas I I didn't have anything to go to housekeeping on not one thing And uh So in the house The woman had to go had to move Because she stayed drunk all the time Interviewer: Oh 548: And they made her move And uh So I went in In there and uh I ask her About About buying her ice box and stove And she was going to sell it for a hundred dollars for both of them But uh she had done sold it But she said uh she'd sell me that couch The chair And uh Bed stand and springs for ten dollars So I give her ten dollars and there's where I got that at Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: You know I just pick up a piece here and a piece yonder wherever I can get it you know like that Until I've got enough I can get by Interviewer: Do they have a store in town where you could buy chairs or couches or 548: Oh yeah There's plenty of places you can buy them but I didn't have money to buy new ones Interviewer: What what kind of store would that be 548: Furniture store Interviewer: They have those downtown 548: Mm-hmm Yeah Interviewer: {X} Furniture's pretty expensive nowadays 548: Yeah Interviewer: Out of sight 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Just like everything else 548: Yep Well So anyway that that's the way I got what I got in my house just Buying it Picking it up that way a piece or two at a time right out of there Interviewer: Yes ma'am is the house where you were living before you came over here was there a up above right underneath the top of the house you know some houses have a place that people use for storing things in #1 Do you know of anything like that # 548: #2 Uh-uh # Uh-uh Uh-uh sure would Interviewer: Have you ever seen a house like that 548: No don't think so Not that I remember anyway Interviewer: Didn't have an attic or anything like that is that what you would call it 548: Yep That's what I would call it but they that didn't They just Just three rooms Straight through and that was all Just an old Cheap apartment that's what it was Interviewer: But you've heard of a place 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Called a what was that 548: Attic Interviewer: Yes ma'am and that was right underneath the 548: Where the uh {X} Comes down Uh Over the edge of the house there Is that the attic Interviewer: Yes ma'am it's right underneath the roof 548: But Yeah there Well there there's bound to have been a place A attic there Where bird spills around the edge of the house Interviewer: Yes ma'am right um talking about the roof of a house you know some houses right on the edge of the roof they've got these things that'll carry off rain water 548: Yeah Interviewer: Do you know what people call those 548: Uh-uh I never did know Interviewer: Have you ever heard it called a gutter 548: Uh-uh I've seen them but that's all Interviewer: But didn't have any particular name for them 548: Uh-uh I've seen them yeah that that's good they're good too Carry all the rain water down in your barrel where you wash too Interviewer: Right right people used to have barrels to catch that rain water 548: Uh-huh To wash with Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see yeah you know on some houses the house has different slopes to the roof 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Have you ever a place where two different slopes come together kind of like this 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Have you ever heard of that place where they come together called anything in particular 548: No Interviewer: Like a valley or anything like that 548: No Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: But but I've I've seen in places where that water Hits the ground And just washes a big hole in the ground Interviewer: Right 548: I've seen a place Interviewer: Mm-hmm be nice if you had a barrel there to catch it 548: Yeah Be nice if you did Interviewer: {NW} Sure would uh-huh yeah uh around here some of these old houses have you ever seen them where the kitchen was built away from the main part of the house 548: Yeah uh-huh Interviewer: Whereabouts have you seen that 548: I saw one uh Last Friday We went to A picnic Sixty plus Uh gave us a picnic But we went way back way down {X} Or down through yonder And uh On the way out to this place wherever it We went to to have a picnic we passed one up Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That house that's sitting here In that little old Kitchen I always called it was sitting right off out here Well there was just a little Walkway between the house Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Kitchen Interviewer: Reckon why they had it that way 548: Don't know Well it used to be alright but I I wouldn't like it now There's too much mess going on I wouldn't want to go up in that house in the kitchen before daylight Interviewer: Really 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: You got a lot of meetings going on here in Greenville 548: Good lord me Interviewer: {NW} 548: They'll kill you for a dollar Interviewer: Really I didn't think Greenville was big enough for that 548: They will too Right right here lately Interviewer: Huh 548: Been here lately They they beat one poor nigger to death and went out to the Garbage Well Would have been Big things like that to put garbage in Interviewer: Oh it was a big green 548: #1 Out out # Interviewer: #2 Thing # 548: Edge of the country Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And he went out there to empty the garbage and somebody knocked him in the head Thought he'd just got to check you know Interviewer: Oh 548: Knocked him in the head and got About thirty cents off of him Interviewer: Hmm 548: When he paid his Bills you see he didn't have no money Interviewer: Didn't kill him did it 548: Yeah they killed Interviewer: Oh really 548: And uh So I I heard of another one here in town They killed him and got two dollars off of him Interviewer: Oh hmm 548: Man this place is rotten Interviewer: Was it another colored person that killed him 548: Yeah They killed {X} Both both of them Yeah they was colored people But white people around here that's a bad bunch anyhow too Interviewer: Is that right do they uh is there anything open in downtown after night or where do they where do they hang out these people just all over 548: Yeah Uh Oh there's all kind of old drinking places and Juke joints and things like that There's all kinds of places for them to hang out Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I don't do it I stay in the house {NW} Interviewer: I don't blame you well what would you call a little room right off the kitchen where you might store extra dishes or canned goods stuff like that have you ever heard of a place like that 548: Cupboard Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Is that it Interviewer: Is that the same thing as a pantry 548: Yeah Uh-huh Same thing Interviewer: Has a separate room or is it just like a cabinet 548: Oh it's a Something like a cabinet Mm-hmm Interviewer: But you can call it either a cupboard or 548: Pantry Interviewer: Same thing I see 548: Yeah mm-hmm Interviewer: What about you know some people have a lot of things that they really don't need maybe like a broken down chair or something like that 548: #1 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 That they # Just don't want to get rid of it 548: Yeah Interviewer: What would they say they've got they've got a whole lot of my house is just full of 548: I'd say junk Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 548: What would you say Interviewer: Same thing just junk have you ever heard of people that had a separate room in the house where they kept all their junk and stuff like that 548: Uh-huh Always called it the junk room Interviewer: {NW} Have you ever had one of those 548: Mm-hmm Because uh You know uh Several times I've had lots of Stuff that the Children would Didn't need They wanted me to keep it for them or they'd buy them a trailer or something and then I'd wind up with all their junk Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 548: #2 And I # Have to pile it back had to take it somewhere to take care of Interviewer: Yes ma'am when when you uh you were married and your children were still at home 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What did you do every morning after you got up out of bed 548: Well first thing I done when I got up I cooked my husband's breakfast and got him off to work Then I'd get the children off to school And uh So I had one boy was sick James That was my baby boy Oh I was out in the yard washing on an old Rub board And tin tub Out in the yard I guess you know what that is Interviewer: Uh 548: Boiling my clothes in an old black pot Interviewer: {NW} I've never seen that done 548: And uh So A rub board Interviewer: Uh-uh 548: You haven't s- Interviewer: I've seen one I haven't seen anybody use it though I think I saw one in uh #1 {NW} # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Did you did you use that rub board while you were washing them 548: Uh-huh Uh you wet You wet your clothes you know And then you Rub them on that rub board And then when you get through you put over here into your pot and boil Interviewer: Hmm 548: Big old big old black pot Interviewer: Yeah what was the rub board supposed to do to it 548: Get the dirt out of the clothes Interviewer: Oh oh those things those ridges #1 Were supposed to knock the dirt out # 548: #2 Uh-huh uh-huh # Yeah Supposed to get the dirt out And uh So I was out there washing and I left Raymond my oldest Son in there to take care of of the younger one while I washed I heard a big commotion in the house and when I got in the house {NW} James was laying on the floor didn't know nothing But Raymond had him up on the bed with a Box over his head running around and around on the bed And James fell off Off the bed Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: He knocked a A nerve Come right down this way And it went back to his kidney main nerve went to his kidney he knocked it Uh loose Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh {NS} So He didn't know nothing I carried him to the doctor They couldn't do nothing for him But Oh just just looked like he was going to die anyhow And he So I I just Done all I could for him but And then get to having those Convulsions Interviewer: Hmm 548: And uh So Carried him to the doctor and he said He said it was uh Uh But an- But anyway I can't think just now But it's kind of Epileptic That's what it was Epileptic but it wasn't it was causing that nerve And it kept getting worse and kept getting worse and then he {NS} Just got to where he just stayed on the ground just waving his eyes Up in the top of the house And just having one convulsion right behind the other Interviewer: Hmm 548: Well the doctors couldn't do nothing about it And uh so my One of my daughters was born she's three days old And I carried her I mean my neighbor had come in And she says why didn't you carry this baby to the chiropractor I said well I don't know nothing about no chiropractor She said well get up and get your dress on I got up And she carried me to the chiropractor And he They got a Little board with a thing with a hole in it And they laid him down and stuck his Nose through that hole And uh So he was Drawn off His eyes all rolled back you know And I mean just just {X} Interviewer: Hmm 548: And uh He got out and run and played and Hollered and jumped all over that place Interviewer: Is that right 548: And uh I'll tell you if if a nerve ever gets wrong that's the only thing that'll do it Is a chiropractor Interviewer: Hmm 548: And uh So he I said well doctor what do you think about it Do you think he can handle it he says me and the lord too can And So It had taken him two years To wear that off Interviewer: Hmm 548: You know and get that nerve back in place where it would stay And Probably I'd have He'd take one of them spells and I'd have to Carry him up there by the time I get home then another was ready Interviewer: Oh 548: Look up this or either look down that way and that would pull that thing out again Interviewer: Hmm 548: And So I'd call Doctor Irving and here he comes And So he jumped up one night and Put on his uh Robe and And house shoes And was heading for my place You know I called him if the boy had uh Had one of them spell Not one but one right behind the other And my husband Uh he he had a bunch in there you know praying for him When the doctor come in And the doctor just But the doctor What I started to say though the law stopped him and For speeding Made him pay a Fine before he got there Interviewer: Hmm 548: But when we got there he knelt in the door and he said his prayer And he went on around to the bed where that boy was And he And he He just Cocked His head you now he just {NS} Snatched him around that way {NW} Looked like he Looked like he pulled his head that far off his shoulders Interviewer: Hmm 548: You know he was that nervous fast Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But he knowed how far to pull it And {NS} And so James just opened his eyes and went to talking Interviewer: Hmm 548: He's alright Long as you can keep But it's taken that man two years to {X} Well I'll tell you He says well I've got to go away for Two weeks I'm going to get married I said uh-uh He says why I says I might need you before you get back and nobody else won't do Interviewer: Hmm 548: And he said oh you guys don't need me I says I don't know He says bring him in Friday for a check-up I carried him in Friday And He laid him up there again on that little old table thing Put him to sleep Just just that quick you know just one little nerve that'll put you to sleep I don't know where it is And So he he just walked the floor and I know he was praying And he walked the floor and prayed and walked the floor and prayed And I got scared I said Said to myself I said well I said lord if he's If he's going to die let him die easy You know I told God I need him But directly he just went back there and woke him up like that James got crawling up just like You know he'd been asleep And He He took a bottle of oil Just like a Holiness people Anoints people and prays for them And he anointed that boy from the Top of his head bottom of his feet Interviewer: Hmm 548: And from that day to this he didn't have another one Interviewer: Is that right that's amazing 548: And he was our chiropractor He don't give medicine He ain't allowed to give a shot or nothing But he just works up and down levels with the spine Interviewer: Have you ever been to one yourself 548: Uh-huh They make you feel good Interviewer: What kind of trouble did you have 548: Well I I had headaches Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And uh A lot And And uh So he I called him out to one of my sons he had pneumonia he didn't know nothing But he can doctor anything but I I didn't think he could but I called him out there and And He just give Carter enough Adjustment You know worked up and down them leaders around Jerked his head way off of his shoulders and you could hear his neck when it'd pop you know Interviewer: Hmm 548: And So Carter just laid there like he was dead he didn't know nothing And So Directly he The doctor got up and give him another adjustment Carter just opened his eyes and went to talking just like he always did Interviewer: Hmm 548: He had so much fever he didn't know nothing Boy I mean he cooled that doctor cooled his fever right now Interviewer: Hmm 548: Didn't give him nothing neither Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Just done it with his hands Interviewer: That's interesting the way they can do that I've never been to one 548: Well I'll tell you right now there's There's things gets wrong with you like that they're really good To For Slipped disc or anything They'll put it back in place Where any of these other doctors are going to cut on you Interviewer: Okay a lot of them like to do that 548: Uh-huh He ain't allowed to do nothing but use his fingers Up and down and then up Uh {D: bleeders} Interviewer: Hmm 548: Nerves and things Interviewer: Yes ma'am talking about what you did uh during the day did you how often did you have to you know sweep up the dust and that kind of thing did you do that every day or just 548: No Not everyday But uh now we didn't work on the field in the field on Saturday We We toted water And scrubbed The house from one end to the other Uh You know uh We'd get an old hoe and uh Twist us a You know what a crocker sack is Interviewer: Sure do 548: And double it about four times and get us a piece of water And fasten it around the hole And that's what we scrubbed that floor with Interviewer: That was a mop that was a mop 548: And it sure cleaned that floor too Interviewer: I bet it did 548: {NW} Interviewer: You know when you were cleaning a house did you ever get these this stuff that would gather in corners and your ceilings and you'd have to get a broom and get it out 548: I don't remember I don't think so though Interviewer: It looks kind of like this stuff that spiders make you know 548: Spider web Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: No I don't Don't remember I guess we did but I don't Don't think Interviewer: So you used this hoe with a crocker sack tied around what did if you were going to just sweep what did you use 548: Oh we we had {X} Well Sometime we used a straw you know There is a straw that you can cut and make a broom But it's not good like these Now But But uh generally we had just an old Straw broom Interviewer: Whole thing was made out of straw 548: Uh-huh Oh it grows up about that high {NS} And I guess you've seen it I don't know whether you know what it is or not Interviewer: Uh let's see is that is it called broom sage or something like that sage broom I'm not sure 548: It might be I But straw is all I would Call it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: So anyway when we cut it Make us a broom out of it Just a big wad of it you know and tied it with a spring good and tight you know Sweep for that And fresh brooms to Sweep the yard off with Interviewer: What kind 548: Fresh Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: Broom Just get you a a bush bushy Something you know and Fresh Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Leaves and things off your yard Interviewer: Yeah back then were there certain chores that you did on certain days of the week like on Mondays you always did something in particular 548: No Interviewer: Like with all your dirty clothes 548: Well It's just Well yeah if uh There's days that I had to go to field or days I didn't Uh But uh You talking about way back yonder Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Well No Uh That had to be on rainy days Or either on Saturday That we done our washing and And uh Scrubbing the floor and you know {NS} switches out Because we had all that other work to do and go to the field So We had to do our washing on Saturday Interviewer: I see there wasn't any particular day when you did your a lot of cooking or 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Or anything like that 548: Back in them days there wasn't a lot of cooking done We cooked three meals a day alright just Such as it was yeah Whatever we'd get our hands on what we cooked Interviewer: The house that you used to live in before you came over here did that have a place right in front of it where you might sit and rock or something like that 548: Had had a little old Supposed to be porch wasn't no bigger than that chair there Interviewer: Oh 548: Just comes right out in front of the door So wasn't big enough {NW} Interviewer: {D: Bet you guys turned around all the time} 548: Uh-uh You couldn't put a chair out {X} Interviewer: Hmm 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: People used to have big long porches didn't they 548: Yes they did But them little old things Well they're right over here right in front of this church if you go back by that way then you can see From this side of the road right in front of that white church over there Just Wasn't wasn't no bigger than that chair Interviewer: Hmm 548: You just walk up the steps on that thing you go in the door Interviewer: Doesn't give you a lot of room does it {NW} 548: {NW} Interviewer: What did people used to call those long porches 548: Gallery {NW} Gallery Interviewer: Oh yeah do you ever hear people call it that anymore 548: Huh They call it a porch now But they used to call it a gallery Interviewer: Do you want to go sit down on the gallery 548: {NW} Yeah Uh-huh Interviewer: Did the house that you uh grew up in did that have a gallery 548: Uh-huh It had a good long porch Interviewer: Hmm do you ever see any houses around here that have a porch on an upper story on the outside 548: Uh-huh Well not right around here but Yeah I've seen them near the lake Interviewer: That still would just be called a porch 548: Uh-huh I guess it would You know now upstairs you know Interviewer: Right 548: Where it comes out upstairs and you sit Uh Up there Yeah I I saw one here the other day but it wasn't Here it was Between {X} And somewhere Interviewer: You know some of these houses are made out of boards these {D: green} Houses on the outside of those borders kind of lap over each other like that you know 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Have you ever heard that called anything in particular boards that do that kind of overlap each other 548: Are you talking about the roof Interviewer: Well not the roof but the side of the house the side you know 548: I've seen them Interviewer: {X} 548: I've seen them but I don't know what they are Interviewer: Uh have you ever heard people call them weather boarding or clap boarding something like that 548: I believe I've heard them called weather boarding Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I believe that's what I heard them call it Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see okay 548: Back way back yonder nowadays wasn't nothing like that though you could chuck a chuck a cat out the crack {NW} Interviewer: That's a pretty good sized crack 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Hmm I imagine that was kind of rough in cold weather right 548: You you know I don't think so Uh we we didn't know no different Uh But you know back in them days we was Wasn't sick all the time And and I believe that That's one reason Because we got plenty of fresh air Interviewer: {NW} You were air conditioned before they had them 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: {X} 548: I believe that's one thing that Caused us not to be sickly back in them days There's so many more cancers and everything nowadays than what there was back in them days Interviewer: Yeah I know what you mean maybe it has something to do you know people eat all this junk food nowadays that might have something to do with it I don't know 548: I I believe one thing it's uh Poison You know that they're using nowadays Interviewer: You mean on crops 548: Uh-huh That That's one thing and then they put it on your garden too And then they get it in your dirt where you plant your garden And then they The meat you eat They give it something to blow it up Hogs or Or {X} Or whatever they're going to kill to sell They'll give it something to blow that meat up you know Before they kill it Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And That Just such a mess as that I believe that's what What is doing it A big portion of it Interviewer: Did you ever keep a garden 548: Uh-huh Down here wayside Where where I we lived twelve years my husband got to where he couldn't work Yeah I kept a good garden down there And Hoed and picked cotton out there and it'd Come a- Come across for that old poison and just cover us Interviewer: Hmm 548: And uh Interviewer: This on the plain 548: Yeah And then they'd come Come up with the come out there to knock the leaves off of the cotton you know where we pick the cotton We'd be already out there picking cotton and they'd {X} With that stuff {NW} But I Sometime I believe that's the cause of these skin cancers Interviewer: Oh yeah yeah could be 548: But the doctor says it's because of Sunshine Interviewer: Hmm 548: But I still don't believe it Everybody would have Interviewer: Would have it that bad as you did 548: But well they ain't bad out here They're really bad under On across my shoulders back of my neck Have been But they're about gone now Interviewer: What did when you had a garden what'd you usually grow in it 548: Cabbage Onions Tomatoes Okra Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Pepper Interviewer: You like okras 548: Oh boy I love it Interviewer: {NW} Because some people don't like to eat that unless it's fried 548: I love it boiled in beans Interviewer: I do too 548: I love okra any way you fix it Interviewer: Did you ever grow these little tomatoes that don't get much bigger 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Yeah 548: Oh boy that makes the best soup Interviewer: What do you call those little 548: Tommy toes Interviewer: Yeah 548: That's what I always called them Interviewer: Yes ma'am I heard that before 548: {NW} Interviewer: Have you ever uh what would you put in uh I guess you made a lot of vegetable soup 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What would what would you put in a good vegetable soup 548: Well as I always heard everything but the dish rag {NW} Uh I put beans Tomatoes And cabbage And And uh Part of Pepper you know if it ain't too hot Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh Corn {NS} Well everything in the garden English peas anything I can get out of my garden And then a chunk of meat And boil it all up and make a pot of soup Interviewer: Sounds pretty good yeah 548: I would eat a bowl of that right now Interviewer: Right 548: And be be sure and put A whole lot of okra in there Interviewer: Yeah 548: Boy I love that okra in there too Interviewer: Did you ever grow these little onions that had the long stalk to them 548: These little white onions that makes these big bunches Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What were they called was it just green onions or 548: Nesting onions I believe Interviewer: What now 548: Nest Nesting onions I always hear them called Interviewer: I see 548: And uh And shell oats Interviewer: Yeah 548: That's another different kind of onion Interviewer: Does that have a stalk to it 548: Uh-huh Blades And stalk But they're red These others we were talking about is white Interviewer: I see 548: White you know And the top falls over in that little white little white uh Little white onions on the bottom Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They multiply just lots of them under there Interviewer: They pretty good to eat 548: Yeah oh man they're good Interviewer: {NW} Did you ever try to grow any kinds of melons in your garden 548: Yeah One time I did Didn't do me no good though Um Down at wayside I had uh Old Salem Hills watermelon But didn't do any good there so people got to coming in there At night getting them I never did get none Interviewer: Oh hmm do people around here grow any other kind of melons besides watermelon 548: Well Um cantaloupes or mush melons I guess anybody's that got room would I know I would Interviewer: Is are cantaloupes and mush mellows are they different 548: Mm-hmm Cantaloupe to You know small But some mush mellows get that long Interviewer: Oh about foot and a half 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Is one any sweeter than the other taste any better 548: I believe I'd rather have a Cantaloupe Interviewer: Yeah my grandmother liked to have a slice of cantaloupe every now and then for breakfast 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: I never got in the habit of eating 548: Some folks call them breakfast melts But I call it cantaloupe Interviewer: Yeah 548: They're a little round melt Interviewer: Are those the ones that are orange inside or green or 548: Yeah they're green uh-huh Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see what about potatoes have you ever grown potatoes 548: Yeah {NS} Yeah I growed uh Ash potatoes and then green potatoes I mean uh Sweet potatoes I ain't ever had no luck with them {NS} Interviewer: Ever heard of people around here calling sweet potatoes anything else what about yams 548: I have heared that somewhere {NW} Oh me Interviewer: Is that the way they said it 548: Yam Yellow yam Interviewer: Uh-huh same thing as a sweet potato 548: Yeah Interviewer: You like sweet potatoes 548: Yeah Interviewer: I never could eat those things 548: Oh boy I do Interviewer: {NW} Oops did I knock something down 548: Uh-uh Now there's some of your papers Interviewer: I don't think anything's under there I just heard something slip I don't know what it was 548: I see {NS} Here's the paper that wasn't no good Interviewer: Uh-huh thank you uh on uh you know some houses out in the country there might be a a little building back of the 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Where you might keep stove wood or tools or something like that what would you call a little building like that 548: Utility house Interviewer: Yes ma'am sure would a utility house be the same thing as a shed 548: Yeah it would Mm-hmm Interviewer: Did you have one of those 548: Uh-uh Uh-uh I haven't ever had one Interviewer: But you would call it a 548: Utility house Interviewer: Or a 548: Or junk house if I was going to keep wood in there Interviewer: Nice 548: {NW} Interviewer: You know used to before people had indoor plumbing 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Was there a place outside where they had the toilet 548: Yes sir Some places they didn't even have a toilet #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Is that right # 548: That's right Had to hunt the woods {NW} Interviewer: What did they call the place like that if they had a little building 548: I reckon you'd still call it a toilet I guess Far as I know Interviewer: What about outhouse 548: {NW} That'd make it too yeah Interviewer: Called have you heard it that 548: Yeah I said I've said that to Yeah It don't matter it's all the same Interviewer: All the same thing true could you say that for me just to get a record of it since you have heard it 548: Outhouse Interviewer: Yes ma'am right some of them 548: House Interviewer: Uh have you ever heard of people calling them a one-holer or a two-holer or anything like that 548: One-holer or a two-holer no Interviewer: Haven't heard that or what about a privy 548: No Interviewer: Haven't heard that 548: No Interviewer: Okay just outhouse or toilet 548: #1 Or out in the woods # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 548: #1 Like you said # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 548: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 548: That's all I know Interviewer: Did y'all have an outdoor toilet when you were growing up 548: Uh-huh Down at the wayside too Interviewer: {X} 548: Down at wayside Interviewer: How far away was that 548: Oh it's about nine miles down above here Before we left there they had They had them toilets in the house Plumbing and all And a shower The government made them Made them put them in there Interviewer: Yes ma'am I haven't been I can remember going being in one of those outdoor toilets 548: Yeah Interviewer: When I visited some of my grandmother's relatives out of town they lived on a farm that's what they had 548: Well we had one down yonder And an old bachelor lived down the yard {B} And when he He went out there {NW} One night And uh So Right on the edge of leather you know and it Leather It's all growed up Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Lots of snakes out there Interviewer: Hmm 548: And And so He he went out there and uh I I don't know but he {X} Right into a snake Before he Got in there But after got in there he found out there was one Down down under there you know Interviewer: Hmm 548: Shoot you couldn't get him to go back in that thing at night Interviewer: I guess so 548: He's crazy I wouldn't go in there the first time not at night Interviewer: What kind of snake do you reckon it was 548: But there's lots of king snakes in there I saw them I wouldn't hurt one of them for nothing Interviewer: Why not 548: They won't bite you Interviewer: They're not they won't hurt you or anything 548: Uh-uh They'll run from you You you can pick at them they won't bite you Interviewer: What kind of snakes do you have around here or did you have 548: Down there we had uh Rattlesnakes {X} And uh Well they tell me wherever there's rattlesnakes there's {X} Too but there I know there was down there And king snakes and Cottonmouth moccasins any kind you wanted was down there Interviewer: That's enough to satisfy most people I imagine those moccasins if they bite you they'll 548: Now they're poison The rattlesnake either {X} But there ain't but one that I know of that won't bite you That's the king snake Interviewer: Have you ever heard anything kind of unusual about a king snake 548: Yeah Only thing I I heared them use it Uh You can put them in your barn If you had one And uh they'll keep the rats and things caught of your Crib And uh So uh If if they haven't bite you they ain't going to hurt you And they'll kill every poison snake that comes around there Interviewer: I've heard that that's that's 548: They'll do that Uh They'll sure do it Uh My daughter over yonder Said they moved in a house And said there was A Black snake Uh Well it in the house There was two of them in the house Well one of them was after the other {NS} 548: {NS} About all I know Interviewer: Yeah you know a lot you know more than you think you do uh you were talking about the barn and the crib out on the farm what did you keep in the crib 548: Kept corn in the crib Potatoes in the crib And And kept a Hole cut to where the cats could go in and out there you know Catch the rats and {NS} Things and keep them out of the crib Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And I Reckon that's about it Interviewer: Was there any other place on the farm where you could store grain 548: No Interviewer: Have you ever heard people talk about a granary or grinery 548: Yeah But it wasn't It wasn't out there though You see now that's all people that raise it a lot of it you know can take it up town and put it any place But we didn't ever raise that much Interviewer: And they called it what 548: Granary Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see yeah what about the part of the barn where you kept the hay what was that 548: A stall That's what I called it Interviewer: Yes ma'am did they ever keep any hay upstairs in the upper part of the barn 548: Yeah they was upstairs that they did yeah But in the In a stall where they kept They'd uh fix a place all the way up to the top And they'd just put bales of hay piled on up to the top and then Mules and things would just stand around and nibble off that hay #1 And uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Mm-hmm was that upper part of the barn called anything in particular 548: What Where they Put the hay Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I thought about it a while ago Now I done forgot it Interviewer: A loft 548: No this is a loft up here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's a stall Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: Over there Yeah they keep the hay up there with the mules They have to put it down over In the stall for the mule to eat Interviewer: I see what kind of animals would have on the farm besides mules 548: Well not much of nothing We used to have cows and mules and Hogs and Well that's all I reckon Interviewer: Did you ever have any riding animals 548: nuh-uh {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever ride anything when you were coming up 548: No {NW} We had a young mule there And oh we was {NS} All loved that mule Old Beck I'll never forget Uh We was Had gathered some corn had it laying on the porch just an armload of it And She'd come up to the porch Hadn't nobody never rode her she was a young mule Hadn't been broke And uh So I I was going to give her a ear of that corn And I come up to the edge of the porch On on the side of her Was handing her that ear of corn And when she reached that that ear of corn She reached back this way no and just knocked me clear right off that porch And I knowed not to hit the ground under her feet {NW} I grabbed her around the neck {NS} And that Mule run And and and me just just flock Interviewer: {NW} 548: And that mule run and she run and I I don't {NS} I I don't know how in the world my step daddy finally got me off that mule Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But I knowed not to hit that ground under that mule Interviewer: So she was taking off with you huh 548: She did too You finally caught her I don't know how he got me off from it Interviewer: Mm-hmm hmm 548: But I held on #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Right 548: You can get in some terrible places sometime Interviewer: But you didn't have a horse or anything like that 548: nuh-uh Nothing that you could ride Interviewer: Mm-hmm have you been ever been around a place where they raised them 548: nuh-uh Interviewer: I tried to get on one one time and I slipped right off the other side 548: {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 548: Oh lord I never did try it Interviewer: Didn't have a saddle on him or anything you know 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Skin was real loose 548: Yeah uh-huh {NW} Interviewer: Talking about you say that you kept hogs on your farm 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: So what would you call a little one when it was 548: Pig Interviewer: Yeah did you call them anything different when they got bigger 548: No because all we raised them for was to kill Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh No uh Interviewer: You ever heard of one called a shoat 548: Shoat Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: That's middle-sized Interviewer: Middle-sized I see and when he's full grown you just call him a hog 548: You called him a sow or Anything you want to Interviewer: Sow is that a female 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Yeah I see what about a male 548: Well that's a boar Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What about if a farmer didn't want didn't want his male hog to grow up to be a boar what would you what'd he do to him 548: I don't know with that pig he just Kept one in one pen and one in the other I don't know Interviewer: Would he like would he cut him or something like that 548: #1 Yeah you can # Interviewer: #2 Mark him # 548: Yes mm-hmm Interviewer: Is that what they said they were doing 548: Yes I've heared of them doing that yeah Interviewer: What do they call it 548: They They just cut them I don't know what they called them Interviewer: Yes ma'am what do they call a a hog that had been cut what was his name was it barrow or barrow or barred or something like that 548: A boar I guess Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what it was Boar Interviewer: Do you know some of these hogs have just stiff hair on their backs 548: Yeah Interviewer: What would you call those like bristle 548: Bristle Interviewer: Mm-hmm have you ever had to help clean the hog when you were killing it 548: Yeah Interviewer: What did you do about those bristles 548: Well What what You had to scald them good you know And then then if you Couldn't Couldn't sort of You got to scrape them with a knife and then if you don't get them off that way you have to singe Them off Interviewer: Have to do what 548: singe them off Interviewer: What is that 548: With fire Interviewer: Oh 548: With fire But uh That makes them bad can't do that Uh My my We always just put {NS} a toe sack Crocker sacks that you called over the hog you know two or three of them And then And then pour hot water over them And That stuff will just {NW} Scrape right on off Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And you scald them good Interviewer: Yes ma'am that kind of loosened it up 548: Yeah And then it'd just scrape off Interviewer: Have you ever seen of these bigger hogs that had these long teeth 548: Oh good lord yeah Interviewer: {NW} 548: They was wild hogs ain't they Interviewer: Yeah 548: I don't want them to get after me Interviewer: Have you ever seen one 548: No I seen them on TV But they Uh my sister went over here in Arkansas somewhere Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And with a bunch of people And They They go in packs you know bunches And uh you shoot one of them you better get gone because they're going to get you Interviewer: {NW} Pretty mean no 548: Yeah She said they'll kill you in a minute Interviewer: Hmm 548: But you shoot one then you got to Go back later and pick it up Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: Because you can't get it when you shoot it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: You better shoot it and get gone Interviewer: {NW} 548: {NW} Interviewer: What do you call those long things that a 548: Tusk Interviewer: Yes ma'am I bet you they could tear you up pretty good 548: Uh-huh I bet they could Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: A man wouldn't last but a few minutes Interviewer: Yeah sure wouldn't what about uh talking about the farm have you ever been on a farm where the farmer grows all the hay 548: No I don't believe so Interviewer: You know after they cut instead of baling it would they ever just take it and pile it up out in the field you ever seen them do that 548: Yeah they they cut and they wait to let it cure they called it before they'd bale it uh-huh Uh I saw my niece's husband doing that And then they'd go back and bale it up in bales Interviewer: You know you don't see too many of those stacks of hay around anymore around here is that what they used to in your day 548: Uh-huh Uh Yeah they used to I seen them put up just big old high poles You know And just stack Stack hay way up yonder Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Just loose hay you know Up there for In the Pasture or something for cows you know stand around and eat those Interviewer: Yes ma'am nowadays you see {X} 548: {NW} Interviewer: I've never seen it done 548: I haven't either Interviewer: It just looks like you took a rug and rolled it up 548: Uh-huh That's what it looked like Interviewer: Exactly where do people uh have you ever seen a place outside where they would uh store hay the bales some kind of shelter for it outside 548: I don't think I have Interviewer: Or have you ever heard of a farmer just sweeping up little piles of hay in the field 548: In the field Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Yeah that's I I I've seen them uh The south {X} Hay Uh I've seen big Fields of that And they go in and cut it and And And it lay there a few days and then they would Bale it up or Or Break it up and Haul it in like it is and let them eat it like it is Interviewer: Yes ma'am ever heard of anything called a wind rose 548: Wind rose Interviewer: Wind rose 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Uh say if you had some cows where would you keep them inside would there be a building you could keep your cows inside on a farm 548: No we didn't We kept ours in a lot With the hor- Well The mules and things was in the front the cows was in the back Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And come a terrible cloud one night we had two good milk cows {NS} And both of them had baby calves And uh So it had come up with a bad cloud that night and uh Lightning struck them two cows Interviewer: Oh 548: Killed them both Interviewer: Hmm 548: And the next morning I got we got a And I told my older sister I said well I ain't hear the The cows I hear the calves Just uh Going on out there you know they was hungry And So I went on out there To see about the cows and there was both of them laying there dead they was standing side to side they fell this away Their feet together this away Interviewer: Lean leaning against each other 548: Uh-huh And And milk just Spewing just like that Interviewer: Oh 548: Them poor little calves out they just bayed Interviewer: Hmm that's pretty bad 548: Had to drag them cows off and Our step daddy killed them calves Interviewer: Hmm do you ever have do y'all have bad weather around here ever bad storms 548: No not Uh Ice storm is about the worst storm we've had here Interviewer: Hmm 548: But we really had two bad ice storms Interviewer: I've never been in one of those 548: Man You just Just hear it just Just Just like stuff breaking in the air you know all the time Just like an old creaking chair you know or something like that Interviewer: Oh 548: You know it was it was the limbs that move on trees you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And Limbs just freeze and break off Just in piles and trees Fall they just get so heavy loaded they couldn't stand Interviewer: Hmm 548: Man we really have them through here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Two of them Interviewer: Yes ma'am you ever had any bad winds 548: No Not not no really bad ones Of course we thought we was going to have tornadoes several times but we didn't Interviewer: Hmm 548: We have got way down right in the edge of town but I've never it's never have come on up the town Interviewer: I've never been in one of those either don't care to be 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Would be pretty rough 548: I don't know but I hear people say that levy over there Protects this place a whole lot Interviewer: Probably does 548: You know Interviewer: Wouldn't break anything coming over 548: Mm-hmm {NW} We see a a storm Like that follows the water And of course when it leaves the water Probably hit that levy and it might knock it up and it go over us {NS} That's the only thing I can see Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But we sure ain't have no real bad one here Interviewer: You ever have any heavy rains around here 548: Yep We've had some Good heavy rains around here Going on up towards town there I've seen it where they couldn't even go down the street Nobody couldn't they'd have to Turn around and go back You know it Water would be so deep in the street they'd {D: kill} cars Interviewer: Mm-hmm that's what it did the other day you know when it rained the other day afternoon 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: The motel where I stayed at the parking lot was like that deep in water {NW} Had to get around it you'd soak to try and get through it 548: Hmm Uh Talking about Miss Sweet do you know her or did she #1 How do you ever get a hold # Interviewer: #2 No I just # Let's see A lady that I talked to down at the library Named Miss Miller knew Miss Sweet and told me to get in touch with her because she thought that she might know the type of person I was looking for so I just called her up and told I was looking for somebody who had been around here a long time 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: And she suggested you no I never met Miss Sweet just talked to her on the phone 548: Mm-hmm Well I I didn't know of course nowadays you sort Interviewer: Oh sure sure 548: And uh So I call her this morning and asked her did she know anything about That man you know was calling me yesterday Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: She said no said he's since been arrested And uh Talking to somebody You know about that man said he call me back later And told me that he thought you know that I was the one that he was hunting Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And I said well Good then Interviewer: {NW} Yeah do people around here what would they what would you call the a good heavy rain uh you'd say you were having a 548: Generally say a wash out Interviewer: Wash out 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Would that be a lot of rain 548: That'd be a lot yes Interviewer: What would you call just a little bit I mean you could go outside just barely get wet 548: Sprinkle Interviewer: Yeah 548: {NW} Interviewer: Ever heard people say it's uh had a drizzle kind of a drizzle outside 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Would that be the same as sprinkle 548: Mm-hmm yeah Interviewer: And you called it a 548: A drizzle Interviewer: I see or maybe it's misting outside you ever heard of that 548: Yeah that'd be all the same thing Interviewer: #1 All the same thing # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NS} Have you ever uh been riding along maybe in the morning and you come to a low place in the road and you get in this stuff you can hardly see through it 548: Fog Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Fog uh-huh That'll cause you to wreck Interviewer: Sure will do you have a lot of it around here much 548: Uh-uh Not that I know of Interviewer: What if you were in a lot of fog what kind of day would you say it was you'd say you're having a 548: Bad day Interviewer: Or a fog- 548: Foggy day Interviewer: Sure 548: {NW} Interviewer: Foggy day yeah yeah have around here do the farmers ever uh lose any crops because it hadn't rained for a long time 548: No They got stuff now they can put in that dirt it don't matter whether it rains or not That stuff will work just the same Interviewer: Wow 548: Still stay just as pretty as green Interviewer: Mm-hmm what would you say you're having if it hasn't rained for a few weeks 548: Drought Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what I would call it Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see {X} Is that would that like uh be the same as a dry spell 548: Uh-huh same thing Interviewer: Same thing I see I see you know you were talking about those cows that got struck by lightning uh have you ever heard a farmer call to his cows to get them to come to him 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Like he wanted them to come in from the pasture 548: Yeah Interviewer: What would he say #1 How would you call to them # 548: #2 {NW} # {NW} Soo cow Soo cow Interviewer: And they'd come in 548: Uh-huh they'd come in Interviewer: Did it take very long to get cows to figure out what you want 548: No not after you know Say you're a cow You can get them used to coming to you Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But It'd take you a good little Take them a good while I imagine to get used to it I don't know Interviewer: Would you Would you say the same thing to a cat if you were calling him to come to you 548: Yes Uh Yes if you was going to call the cat but I ain't never called one because I don't think you can get them to do nothing #1 Nothing # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} You ever heard people say something like soo cat #1 Or something like that # 548: #2 Yeah # Yeah Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Yeah I've heard say soo cat but A cat won't I don't know Interviewer: Kind of temperamental 548: Huh Interviewer: What about if you were calling a hog 548: Piggy {NW} Interviewer: To get him to come to you 548: If you got a bucket of slop Interviewer: Right 548: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Why'd I even have to call #1 {X} # 548: #2 Uh-huh # No you You got a bucket of slop they'll come anyway {NS} Interviewer: What if you wanted to scatter them get them to 548: Soo wee Interviewer: Yeah {NW} Do you ever call the chickens 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: How'd you call them 548: Chicky Chicky chicky Interviewer: And they'd come to you 548: Yeah Interviewer: {X} 548: They know I have something for them to eat Interviewer: Would you say anything to scatter them 548: Mm-hmm {X} If I wanted to scatter them I'd say shoo Interviewer: Right have you ever heard of a farmer that he was plowing his mules would he say something to him to get them to turn 548: Yeah Gee Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Or haw Interviewer: Yeah which is which do you remember 548: Gee is right I believe Interviewer: That's right 548: And haw is left Interviewer: Uh-huh 548: I think Interviewer: Yes ma'am I think I've heard that too yeah ever heard anybody call to horses like if they wanted to get a horse's 548: No I don't think so Interviewer: {X} Well what about if you were riding the horse and you wanted to get him started 548: {NS} I say get up Interviewer: Uh-huh yeah 548: Get up and if they didn't get up I'd kick him on the heel #1 And he'd go # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # Right what about uh to make him stop 548: Whoa Interviewer: Have you ever have you ever milked a cow 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Did you ever have to say anything to it to get him to hold still 548: Yes Yes Interviewer: What would you 548: Saw Interviewer: Saw 548: Saw Interviewer: Yeah mm-hmm what about to move a leg back 548: I {X} Seems like I say uh Back yeah Uh push the Hip and say back up And She she would back up Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But uh I don't know Interviewer: Did your did your brother teach you how to milk a cow 548: I done forgot who told me how But I used to milk Interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah {NS} Uh-oh {NS} Yeah 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Get it cranked up 548: Sure did Interviewer: {NW} {NS} Let's see y'all didn't have anything like a cow barn on the farm where you kept the cow 548: Uh-uh Uh-uh we had to keep them staked out by the head You know chain around their horns and Just move them from place to place let them eat the grass Interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah what's the head oh the head of the cow I see 548: The #1 Yeah the horns # Interviewer: #2 Keep them chained up # Yeah 548: Just hooked it around their horn Interviewer: Right I see {NS} What about your pigs where'd you keep them 548: Had to keep them in a little old pen {NS} And uh So we stacked the cows out one morning And we had to go back by the same place going to feed them Wasn't Just a few minutes We started back by before we had them tied and one of them had done fell And had stuck one of her horns in the ground {NW} And her head was Oh her neck was just almost broke when we got to her Interviewer: Hmm 548: And had to cut Had to Get her up Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And Boy she liked to Broke her neck Interviewer: Hmm that's bad really do you you said you had a little pen for the hogs 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Did that have any cows sheltered to it 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Just over 548: And we'd get ready to stacking them we'd put them on a floored pen Uh you know sort of tight tighter pen And put a flooring in it And Feed them and boy they'd get so fat Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NW} 548: But as long as they're out you know where they can run around any at all they won't get fat Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see was there a place where you'd milk your cows 548: No In the You know Lot where we kept them Or in the cow pen if we didn't have them in the lot With the horses Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: We'd always bring them up and water them and take them in there to milk Interviewer: Yes ma'am how often did you have to milk 548: Twice a day Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: In the morning and at night Interviewer: I see about how many cows did you say you kept 548: Two Interviewer: About how much milk would they produce 548: I don't know {NS} But Two or three gallons a day at least I I couldn't tell you for sure but Interviewer: Something like 548: Whole lot uh-huh Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see have there ever been any farms around here where they raised milk cows 548: Not that I know of Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Oh they got uh dairy farms Where they keep cows you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am got some of those around here 548: Yep I have I've seen them I see a gang of them every once in a while but I don't know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Not really in town uh-uh Interviewer: Hmm what what did y'all do with your milk and butter in the days before you had a refrigerator 548: Well One thing One thing we {NS} Well we Had ice box You know about chunks of ice a big chunk of ice put in a little old box Refrigerator {X} {NS} Electric refrigerator is not And we'd keep it in there or either we'd Go Tow us up some water out of the pump cold water out of the pump And sit in it Help Keep it cool we'd Just done everything You know that we could Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But we had plenty of milk and butter You know and to give our friends and whoever wanted it Interviewer: Yes ma'am did you ever hear of people putting it down a well to keep it cool 548: Mm-hmm My sister lived in hills she did that And She'd She'd uh I know something Drop it down in that good cold water in that well Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: When she got ready to eat then she'd Go get it put it on the table Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: It'd be so good and cold Interviewer: {NW} I bet it was was there any special place where you put your potatoes and turnips during the winter 548: No we didn't have to put up no turnips Some people did but we didn't But you could do it yeah Uh We We uh dug potatoes a few times and We didn't have no corn in the crib we just scattered them out in the crib you know You pile them up they'll rot Interviewer: Yes ma'am but have you ever heard of people digging out a place where they put their potatoes or something like that 548: Mm Sweet potatoes No I Now for actual potatoes Um Yeah I seen them Dig out the place and put shovels all in there Or grass or something and then put the potatoes in there And then put grass over that and then cover it up with dirt Interviewer: What'd they call that place anything 548: A potato hill or a potato keel Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Hill I believe Interviewer: Yes ma'am what about um you were talking about working in a field like is a field the same thing as a patch 548: Mm-hmm It's the same thing Interviewer: Same size same thing growing in it 548: Yeah Interviewer: Like you could have a 548: Well a patch the only difference is you You'd have to have plant your little spot of peas or something Or a little spot of beans where you You done planted your pea patch out there you know Um You know that {NS} J-just Plants still {X} It's the same thing Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see uh talking about the pasture where you let the cows graze 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: Was that usually fenced in or was it over 548: Fenced in Interviewer: Can you remember a time when it wasn't fenced in 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Always has been 548: It's fenced in or either we had to tie them out by the Like I said by the Just tie them with a chain out there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Let them eat off {NW} Place and then go get them and move them and let them eat off another place what they could get you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They from here and yonder Interviewer: Right 548: I saw plenty Hogs tied out right there But We didn't ever do that we didn't ever try it But I have seen it done Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see what kind of fence would you have around your pasture 548: Well you know what a barbed wire fence is Barbed wire But it was just three strands you know Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They had uh posts In the ground And they would draw that Uh Wire tight And three strands around that Pasture And that's what kept the cows Interviewer: Mm-hmm what what about what kind of fence did you have before they had barbed wire 548: Let's see what'd they call that cross tied fence or what was it They Put {X} I seen it Interviewer: What were they rails or something 548: Uh-huh some kind of rail Rail fence Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But I I know uh Of up yonder Tops Between here and Oakland I've seen one of them Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Still there Um Interviewer: Don't see too many of those nowadays 548: Uh-uh That fence Still there Interviewer: Those things built so that they're kind of zig zagged 548: Oh yeah Interviewer: Yeah 548: Uh-huh Sure do Interviewer: Mm-hmm and you say that uh have you ever seen somebody put up a barbed wire fence 548: Yeah Interviewer: Do they have to string the wire tight across the 548: Um They got some kind of Long Tweezers there That they can catch that wire with you know and pull it Pull it tight And then they Somebody They pull it real tight and then they Nail it down Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Staple it down Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They can't slip Interviewer: What do they use to string it across the thing that they dig the hole for 548: They use post hole diggers to dig them holes Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see do you ever have to use one of those 548: Uh That's one thing I didn't have to #1 Use # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Didn't have to use the post hole digger 548: I might You know if uh If my step daddy hadn't have died I might have had to use Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But uh I was still young when he died Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But anyway I was about Sixteen Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Fifteen between fifteen and sixteen But I married He was buried on Monday and I come in Saturday evening and I married Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see talking about fences have you ever seen these fences that some people have around their garden or might have around their yard they're usually painted white the top of them kind of comes to a point like that 548: Yes Uh Yeah It's just a A a slant like a slant like that comes up and comes up to a point #1 Like that # Interviewer: #2 Yes ma'am # 548: Uh-huh Over here on Grove Street where my sister lived Interviewer: Right 548: There's one right there Interviewer: Yeah 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Is that do people around here call that a picket fence or a paling fence or 548: Paving I guess Interviewer: Mm-hmm okay 548: Sounds more like what it What I used to They used to call it Interviewer: Yes ma'am did people around here ever make walls or fences out of loose stone or rock haven't ever seen anything around here 548: I seen some houses made out of rock They're some kind of nice rock I don't know Interviewer: Yes just not the stuff you'd get up out in the field 548: Uh-uh {NS} Interviewer: Probably bring it in from somewhere else 548: Yeah It was made just you know just for a {X} I guess Interviewer: Mm-hmm okay what would you call the stuff that a woman's best dishes would be made out of real fine dishes 548: Dishes or cooked {X} Interviewer: Dishes 548: Really I don't know Really I don't know I Interviewer: Something like china 548: Yeah I That's the only kind I've ever known Interviewer: What's that 548: That's the only kind I've ever known was china dishes Interviewer: Yes ma'am have you ever seen an egg made out of something like that 548: A egg Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: No Interviewer: Like something that a farmer would put in a chicken's try to fool it to lay 548: I I saw these here little glass eggs you can buy them and put in the nest Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Is that what you #1 Talking about # Interviewer: #2 Right # Right do those things work 548: Uh-huh They them chickens don't ever pay it no attention Interviewer: {NW} 548: {NW} Interviewer: Did y'all ever use one of those 548: Uh-huh Or or little egg gourds you can raise The little gourds about the same Size Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh you can just raise a bunch of them all at one time You can Put them in the nest They're about the size of an egg they don't ever pay it no attention It's going to get on that egg and lay again and never going to Interviewer: Right yeah I've never seen one of those I've seen the things but I haven't seen people use them 548: Uh-huh yeah we used them Interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah when you went to milk the cow what did you take with you to bring the milk back in 548: A bucket A lard bucket eight pound lard bucket Interviewer: What was that made out of 548: Just old Tin back in them days And Well I would take two It would be uh What we called a four pound bucket And uh And a ten pound bucket Well a gallon bucket Then a half-gallon bucket {X} Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And so I'd Scare the cat kick it out of something and I'd milk in the little bucket and pour it over the gate Interviewer: Right that's a pretty good idea 548: It is Interviewer: Did y'all have a well 548: No We didn't have a well My sister had one up in the hills Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But we didn't have one Interviewer: Mm-hmm did well when if people were going to go get some water from the well what would they take with them to bring the water back in 548: Well the these old big water buckets or lard cans or Anything they could get Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see 548: Sometimes they'd just Two two would go you know and bring it back in an old lard can or something Interviewer: Mm-hmm yes ma'am do you ever hear of people around here use the word pail instead of bucket 548: Yeah I hear that too Interviewer: Are there any difference between the bucket and the pail 548: No Ain't no difference it's It's a {X} A pail or a bucket it don't make no difference Interviewer: Just the same thing 548: Used to be buckets now it's pail Interviewer: #1 Right # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Right okay did you ever keep a a bucket around the kitchen where you would throw scraps in for the hogs 548: Mm-hmm Sure did Because Because I'll tell you I got into that Got into it one time back there Interviewer: What happened 548: Well W- As I told you we had to feed the hogs Us girls And uh So We just Picked some cabbage you know and it had these old big old long worms in there Interviewer: Hmm 548: And And we had poured it over in the slop bucket and had to give it to the hogs And uh My step daddy fell in there and found it and was going to make us get a spoon and eat it Interviewer: #1 Oh goodness gracious # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Don't think I would have cared #1 To do that # 548: #2 Oh man # Interviewer: Hmm 548: Yeah he was going to make us eat it But I But he He said he wasn't going to have to whoop me I went and got a spoon And uh So then after he said he was going to have to whoop the other two to make them eat it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: He told me he says Said never mind I'll let y'all by this time if I ever do catch that bucket full again Y'all going to eat it Interviewer: Hmm don't think I would have liked that 548: {NW} Man I'll tell you too We went We went out to pick us up a load of roots to cook with Out in that den And When Right out in the back where he could see us Every minute And we'd be gone one minute longer than he thought we ought to be He'd be standing in the door with his belt when we come in Interviewer: Hmm 548: He'd whoop us Interviewer: Sounds like he was pretty strict 548: Hmm He He was pretty strict I thought he was But I look at kids nowadays and I wonder Course now I do know he was too strict I know that But There's some young ones nowadays I wish somebody had some hog {X} Interviewer: {NW} I know what you mean 548: I got a grandson up there in Oakland right now I wish {NW} I wish something could be done Interviewer: Hmm just a little out of hand at times 548: He sure does Well not that he's doing to so much He just won't stay put And uh {NS} Serve his time outs you know uh He ain't eighteen yet And So they sent him off and To stay until he was eighteen And and then he'll be {X} At the whole thing or nothing When he's eighteen he'll be out on his own But no he he won't stay Interviewer: Hmm 548: He'll run away and come back to Greenville Interviewer: Hmm 548: So right then they'll pick him up and Make it that much harder on him Interviewer: Hmm you were talking about getting some roots a minute ago do you remember if people ever used roots for any kind of medicine or anything like that 548: No they used to use it to make tea Interviewer: What kind of tea 548: Sassafras tea Some say sassafras tea Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: #1 Make # Interviewer: #2 Was that # 548: You don't know Interviewer: Well what's that good for 548: Drinking {NS} Make it and Sweeten it and drink it It's good Interviewer: Do 548: The roots off of it Interviewer: Do sick people drink it or is it #1 Supposed to be good for sick people # 548: #2 Just anybody # Interviewer: Yeah just for regular #1 Drink # 548: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: Yeah 548: Like tea you know I like to drink tea Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: It's good Interviewer: You were talking about a big black pot that you boiled your clothes in 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What was that called 548: A pot's all I know Interviewer: Wash pot or 548: Wash pot A wash pot it was a big one Interviewer: People used to have it outside their yard 548: Mm-hmm I've boiled many old pots of clothes Interviewer: Did you have something that you boiled tea in with a long spout to it 548: Tea Interviewer: Or did you have anything that you boiled inside on the stove 548: No uh I I put my tea or whatever I was going to Make in a boiler and set it on the stove Interviewer: Hmm you didn't use a kettle or anything like that 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Where did those come along 548: I don't know Uh Yeah we used to have them old arm kettles they're heavy Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Maybe you've seen them I don't know Interviewer: Those are like the ones you use in a fire place 548: Mm-hmm Iron yeah Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: Them's the kind you used in the fire place And uh I I don't know what's went with them but they Hardly ever you hardly ever see one now Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see back then did you have anything a container that could put cut flowers in inside the house 548: No Uh regular flowers of course we put them in a glass But now first flower pot then a vases or something Interviewer: Didn't have that 548: Wasn't nothing like that Interviewer: Did you ever keep flowers in the house 548: Yeah when we could get them So much of the time you know you couldn't Ain't have no luck raising flowers Interviewer: They wouldn't grow around the house 548: Sometimes they wouldn't it's according to the weather Interviewer: I see okay what about when you ate a meal the utensils that you used to eat the meal with what did you have yeah the things you used to eat the meal with 548: To eat it with Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Oh well We had a Plate and a fork like we have now or either Well I I remember when we ate out tin cups and bucket lids Interviewer: Hmm out of bucket lids oh 548: Uh I know some Pails we're talking about Interviewer: Right 548: Eight pound buckets Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: The lids off them You know beat that A rake ladder at the bottom of it and then it'll be deep Interviewer: #1 Yes ma'am # 548: #2 And that's what # I remember a time we had a lid too Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see 548: Sure did Interviewer: Hmm 548: And we'd take a Potted meat You see you know what that is Interviewer: Potted meat 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Them little old can And we'd keep one of them to cut out Uh little cookies with you know Interviewer: Oh yeah 548: And things like that Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And I don't know We just got by don't know how but we did Interviewer: Right when you got through with the meal and had all the dirty dishes what did you say you had to do with them to get them cleaned 548: Had Had to put them in the dish pan Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And And had some Hot water on the stove in the kettle if we had one And if we didn't had to have hot water to boil To pour in that pan over them dishes Interviewer: Hmm 548: And wash them Interviewer: Hmm I see what did you do to get the soap off of them 548: Well we had to Back in them days I don't I don't remember whether we rinsed them or not Interviewer: Hmm 548: Seems like we just washed them and dried them and put them up Interviewer: I see did you have any kind of rag or cloth that you used #1 When you washed them # 548: #2 Uh-huh # Uh-huh Yeah there was a cloth Interviewer: What did you call that 548: Dish rag Interviewer: Dish rag 548: {NW} Interviewer: Did you have one that you used to dry with 548: Uh-huh That was a drying rag Interviewer: I see 548: Drying rag Interviewer: What about something that you held that you used to wash with wash your face when you took a bath did you have that 548: Yes That's Some kind of rag yeah Wasn't no real wash rags back in them days Interviewer: I see 548: Just piece of sheets or anything that you could get your hands on Interviewer: Yes ma'am did you have a big thing that you dried off with 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: All of it 548: Uh-huh A piece of a piece of sheet or Anything that we could get that's what we used Interviewer: Did you have a regular towel 548: Mm-mm I don't remember the day I get it Interviewer: But you you say you didn't you just used a piece of sheet instead of a 548: Mm-hmm And mostly flower sacks Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: There ain't none nowadays I wish there was Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: {NW} I liked them things to make rags out of Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Very soft Interviewer: Would you rather use one of those to dry off with though than a 548: No to wash dishes with yeah Interviewer: But you would prefer to use a 548: A towel uh-huh Or a wash rag Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: But now for dish rags and And uh Lifting rags and things in the kitchen I need to have a flower sack Interviewer: Yes ma'am back then y'all didn't have running water in the house did you 548: Uh-uh Sometimes we had to tote it a long ways Interviewer: Hmm water's pretty heavy 548: Yep It is And then there's {X} Wash as I said I had We had slacked at first Interviewer: Yeah oh that's right 548: {NW} Interviewer: Right I remember that yeah well nowadays in your kitchen 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: That thing over the sink that the water comes out of 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: What do you call that 548: Hybrid Interviewer: Yes ma?am now what out outside the thing that you can hook a hose up to that the water comes out of like if you go and water your glass what would you call that thing 548: The hybrid or the hose Interviewer: The thing that the water comes out of 548: Hose Interviewer: Or yeah you hook that up to a hybrid 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: I see okay has it ever gotten into other places that you lived when it gets real cold around here did you ever have any trouble with your pipes 548: Uh I didn't ever have no trouble Interviewer: Did you ever hear of people that did 548: Oh yeah man Interviewer: What would happen to them 548: Well some of at least part of the time they'd have to have a plumber come out and Uh well And uh {NS} Draw them up and They may be busted and they'd have to do something about that Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Around here now But Where we where we lived about four or five years My husband had him to come out and wrap the pipe under the house you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Where it wouldn't freeze {NS} But over there I said I hadn't had no trouble But over there where I moved from over there {X} Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: My hider Froze time in the hand sink in the bathroom And me and my sister went off And I don't know why I turned that hider on Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But it thawed up while we was gone Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: And talking about water Man It had done run in that bathroom and it was Wasn't like it here it is here Um it was just soaked it just went by on through the bathroom you know Interviewer: Hmm 548: And they're just Just run off down at the other end of the The other woman's apartment down yonder and I mean just running down there just like a Busted pipe Interviewer: Hmm 548: And that's what that's what they thought it was until I got home Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: When I got home and went in the house Oh I tell you if that thing hadn't made a mess in that house Interviewer: Hmm 548: Done thawed up though But it didn't budge Interviewer: Yes ma?am I know you hated to see that 548: Yeah I did But I had a mess to clean up Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Course I didn't pay for the water over there I don't pay it here and I didn't pay it there either Interviewer: Yes ma'am I see you know years ago if you wanted to buy a pretty good bit of molasses what would that come in 548: A keg You could get a barrel Interviewer: Whole barrel of molasses 548: Mm-hmm But they bought mostly kegs you know they got about that high Interviewer: Yes ma?am what about lard 548: Hmm You you could buy that in big Fifty pound can People now got to where they don't eat much lard because that ain't healthy Interviewer: No ma'am you ever heard people talking about buying a stand of lard 548: A stand of lard Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: No Interviewer: Some okay or talking about a barrel you know these metal rings that go around the barrel to keep the stage in place 548: Yeah Interviewer: What would you call those things 548: Hooks Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what I'd call them Interviewer: Did people ever play with those things 548: Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Kids back in them days played with anything they could get to play with Interviewer: What were some of the things you played with besides that 548: I I didn't play with that because I didn't have no time to play with nothing But uh Uh We'd Uh we'd Get Save old baking powder cans and old baking powder Can lids and {NW} Snuck bottles and All silly junk as that to make a playhouse out of We didn't ever have nothing Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: No can lids just what We just Saved something and if we ever got time to play that's what we played with Interviewer: Mm-hmm did you ever make yourself one of these things where you had a long board and one kid could get on one and one on the other 548: Seesaw {NW} Uh-uh Interviewer: Didn't have that huh 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Did you ever play on one 548: Uh-uh Uh-uh Interviewer: Never did 548: Uh-uh And after I got older I didn't want to I was scared to get on one Interviewer: Hmm what would what would they say they were doing if they were on one of those things 548: Seesawing {NW} Interviewer: What about one that uh has a long board that goes around and around did you ever play on one of those 548: I don't know what you call it I've seen them but I don't know Interviewer: You ever heard it called a flying Jenny 548: Oh yes Interviewer: {NW} 548: I heared of flying Jenny Interviewer: Were those home made could you make them yourself 548: No I couldn't Uh-uh I couldn't make them myself but I've seen them Interviewer: Yes ma?am what about these things that you have ropes from the limb of the tree and you got a seat to it 548: A swing Interviewer: Sure did y'all make those 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Didn't have any of those 548: Mm-mm We just didn't have time to fool with it Interviewer: Just had to work a field all day 548: We wasn't working in the field we was working in the house Interviewer: Hmm I imagine that got kind of old after a while doesn't it 548: It got old but we know better than to say anything Interviewer: Yeah 548: We didn't say nothing Kids nowadays will get you told on Interviewer: {NW} That's true well say if you wanted to put some liquid into a bottle that had a narrow mouth 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What would you use to keep from spilling it all over the place 548: Well You can take a Piece of paper And roll it up you know and make a funnel And Stick one down in there And you won't spill A piece of paper Interviewer: Didn't have one of those metal funnels 548: Mm-mm We used a piece of paper many a time Interviewer: Works just as well nowadays when you go to the grocery store and buy something what does the grocery boy put it in for so you take it home with you 548: Puts it in a A large paper sack grocery sack Well anyways just about that high Just about that wide Interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Paper sack Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Paper bag Interviewer: Right 548: Whatever you want #1 To call it # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Yeah uh say if a man had some corn that he wanted to take to the mill 548: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Uh the amount of corn that he could take in his wagon at one time about how much would that be 548: That he could take or he wanted to take Interviewer: Well either one 548: Um Well he could take a lot Could do it But generally they didn't take but maybe Two or three bushels at a time Interviewer: Hmm 548: Which they had to give the man at the mill you know Interviewer: How much did they have to give him 548: {NS} Well I I don't know a certain toll {X} But I don't know {NS} Interviewer: Y'all getting papers on the fourth of July 548: I don't know {X} Interviewer: Hmm 548: This has been the first fourth of July I've been here Interviewer: Is that right oh that's right I forget you've only been here about a month or so do you ever hear of people taking a turn of corn to the mill 548: No Interviewer: Haven't heard that 548: But what does that mean Interviewer: It's just an amount that you can take at one time 548: Any amount that you want to take I guess Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Well that's the way it is Way back yonder Just take Whatever you want to take Whatever you want to keep if you wanted to keep about I imagine about two and a half bushels You carry three and give that Man at the mill about half a bushel I imagine to grind them Interviewer: Mm-hmm yes ma'am I see 548: It seems like it was that way Interviewer: Right 548: I think it's right Interviewer: What did what did y'all do for light back then before you had electricity 548: Man that was rough Interviewer: {NW} 548: Oh we thought it was alright we didn't know no better cool all our lamps Well I know you've seen it Interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: But we we thought we was doing alright But nowadays You can tell the difference {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever see somebody make uh one of those homemade they just take a bottle and some coal oil and something for a rig 548: I I really gotten burnt one day with a bottle With a I bet it was a piece of rope or something Twisted down in there you know Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: Had coiled in And we was all Thought we was going fishing And I had up my arm this way And and that bottle Turned Interviewer: Yes ma?am 548: And man it burned a great big place on my arm right in there Interviewer: Hmm did y'all call that anything in particular 548: No Interviewer: Homemade thing 548: No Just made it to go fishing with #1 You know # Interviewer: #2 Yes ma?am # 548: No we didn't call it Interviewer: You wouldn't call it a torch or flame anything like that 548: Come near being a torch Interviewer: Sort of 548: Because it made good light Interviewer: Mm-hmm I see did you go fishing much 548: Uh-uh We thought we was going that night but Really we never did go but a few time I remember my step daddy in mind telling me Well we're going fishing now who d- Who don't catch a fish don't eat no supper And I caught the I caught fish Interviewer: {NW} 548: What I caught a Grinnel About that long One of the most scaly grinnel fish I don't want to I don't like Interviewer: Not good to eat 548: I love catfish and that's all Interviewer: What else did you fish for besides catfish 548: Well We fished anything we caught But But in them days You hardly ever caught any catfish You know where we lived there anywhere Interviewer: Hmm 548: Just a little old lake you know went in through by our house And I went out in the yard this I was {X} And found a little old dead chicken And uh {D: I hung the line} I I was just doing something I put it Stuck it on a hook And there's no trout {X} Uh come across the Little old bough behind our house And I went out on that thing and set that hook out With that little chicken on it And the next morning I went out there to it and man I had ripped the {X} That long Interviewer: {NW} Could you have had it by yourself 548: Uh-uh I I kept hollering until I got my mama out there And then boy she liked to tore me up for being there Getting out over that water She didn't whoop me but she comes very near doing it She was scared because I got out there with that water Interviewer: Hmm yeah 548: But I really caught that fish Interviewer: Is that like a gar have you ever heard of that 548: Uh-huh Interviewer: It's a grinnel 548: Yeah it's something like a gar But you uh Split a gar Uh down and Its uh Front there You split it and then skin it Skin the meat out But a grinnel you don't you scrape off the scale Interviewer: Hmm 548: And eat the whole fish Interviewer: Hmm 548: {NS} But as I say don't give me no scaly fish I'm okay Interviewer: You don't like bass or 548: Mm-mm Interviewer: That kind of thing 548: Mm-mm Interviewer: Have you ever caught one 548: Uh-uh Interviewer: Have you ever seen any carp around here 548: Yeah uh There's a woman over there who caught one and was going to give it to me One of those {X} Interviewer: What's that 548: A carp fish And uh So I didn't want it I told her to give it to my sister I didn't want it So she did Interviewer: I've heard those things aren't very good to eat 548: Too many bones man Interviewer: {NW} 548: Just like just pouring little needles Interviewer: Yeah it's bad 548: I don't want to get choked on them thing Interviewer: Hmm when y'all did go fishing did you ever have were you ever bothered by insects 548: Yes sir Red bugs and mosquitoes You See lots of snakes Well uh We lived on {X} And we heard the terriblest hollering one morning And uh There was six Uh niggers Going to work And they Go across that little old bough in the boat To the work And they got uh in Started across there and they got hung up on these little old cypress knees Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} 548: {NS} funny um things that comes up well there's lots of cypress trees around out there. But peas don't get no higher than this some of 'em ain't no higher than that. You know this little old well they ain't bushes. When talking about cypress knees it looks more like a knee than anything else. interviewer: Yes ma'am I've seen that. So you mosquitoes will bother you and red bugs you say? 548: Yeah yeah they used to they used to get made short {NW} interviewer: What about do you have insects around here that are really bad to sting ya? Really hurt 548: {X} not that I know of. interviewer: What about these things you know that make these little nests that look like they are made out of paper on the sides of your house? 548: Dirt dauber I have seen one of them things and I don't know when. interviewer: Well now they make nests that look like they're made out of mud don't they? 548: Uh huh interviewer: Is there something else that makes one look like they're made out of paper? 548: Wasps interviewer: Yeah yeah 548: And them wasps man will sting you. But I don't see none of them I don't know. Or they keep this house sprayed good. interviewer: I don't think I'd miss it anyway. {NW} 548: They sure do keep it sprayed. interviewer: What about these insects that are bad about getting in your clothes and eating holes in 'em? 548: Moths interviewer: You ever seen one of those? 548: They tell me they're so little you can't see 'em I don't know. I ain't never seen one. interviewer: Do you you know you see 'em at night you see these insects that are blink on and off? 548: Lightning bugs interviewer: Mm-hmm I haven't seen many of those recently. 548: No I haven't either. interviewer: Have you ever seen these uh insects that make a great big paper nest in a tree? They like a {X} small napkin. 548: Bees honey bees I sure have. And uh I has don't don't forget these old bumble bees will sting you too. Um I have a I've seen somebody tell me that I did a washing and didn't have on the clothes I wanted to have on you know when they come in. I had done done washed my dress and hung it out. On my barbed fence I seen um my neighbor's coming. I run out there and grab that dress of the fence and run in the house and and as I start to put it on there was a bumble bee tangled up and in my threads in there. interviewer: Uh oh 548: And I mean it was just like a pen scratched me all the way down. when I pull that dress on it. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Just like a pin I mean it just scratched. And talking about some hurting but I got that bee out as quick as I could. interviewer: I don't blame you wouldn't be too comfortable. 548: But they sure will they'll sting ya smart interviewer: Are there any hornets around here? 548: Not that I know of. interviewer: You never heard of any around here? 548: Sure do. interviewer: Is that what people call 'em? 548: Yeah hornets build their nests in the ground. They tell me to do I ain't never seen one. interviewer: What about yellow jackets you have any of those? 548: Haven't heard about 'em. interviewer: Is that what people call 'em around here? 548: Yeah that's what they would call 'em I guess if they was here. But I don't I don't think there's more around here. interviewer: What's that? 548: Yellow jacket interviewer: Now I didn't see any lately either. You know when you went fishing did you ever see a insect that had kind of a long thin body and he liked to lie on your pole and you'd have to twitch it to get him off. What was that called? 548: You know what we'd call 'em? skeeter hawk. interviewer: Skeeter hawk 548: Now what do you call 'em? interviewer: Well I'd call it a dragonfly you ever heard of that? 548: No {NW} we called it skeeter hawk. interviewer: You ever heard it called a snake doctor? 548: Yeah interviewer: And they're the same thing? 548: Yeah that's the same thing yeah. interviewer: That's the word you say it? 548: Mm-hmm skeeter doctor or interviewer: Snake? 548: Or snake doctor or what ever you want to call it it's all the same thing. interviewer: The reason they call it uh snake doctor 548: Uh huh {NW} interviewer: Did y'all see 'em eat mosquitoes? 548: Well I I maybe they do now I don't know. interviewer: They call it a skeeter hawk you would think. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: It might {NW} What about uh have you ever heard of any birds around here that can see in the dark you know and they make this hooting noise? 548: Hoot owl interviewer: Mm-hmm you got those around here? 548: No uh uh interviewer: Do you have 'em out in the country? 548: Well I'll tell you the truth I don't think that there are no more but that in the zoo or some where like that. There might be some way out in the country I don't know. interviewer: Mm-hmm Have you ever heard of a lulu they have a real high pitched voice? 548: Bird? interviewer: Yes ma'am or a kind of owl. 548: Screech owl interviewer: Right 548: screech owl You know uh momma used to tell us to go tie a knot in the hen house when they'd go {D:hog} interviewer: Why's that? 548: She said it say it would choke on that that quit hog. interviewer: {NW} 548: And we'd do that. interviewer: Did it work? 548: Sometimes interviewer: {NW} 548: sometimes it didn't. interviewer: uh huh 548: And then sometimes she'd tell us to go put the broom across the door. interviewer: Hmm 548: Oh that was as I say sometimes worked and sometimes didn't and they already had to know if she would quit or at least that didn't do no good I don't know. interviewer: Yes Ma'am Some people had told me that those thing sound just like a baby crying. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Is that right? 548: Yeah they sound so pitiful you know. Oh interviewer: What about those birds that drill holes in trees? 548: Redheaded woodpeckers they ain't here no more. interviewer: Oh Don't see it in town? 548: Uh uh I don't know where in the world they went to and it's a yeller black {D: checkity} looking bird pecks holes in wood too but I I ain't see that. interviewer: Hmm Have you ever heard people call a woodpecker a pecker wood? 548: Yeah I've had um to this out in the country coming right on my wall all that pecking they'd do it right up on the sides of the wall. interviewer: And you'd call it uh and you call that thing a red headed? 548: Woodpecker interviewer: Or pecker wood 548: Pecker wood {NW} I get so mad at that thing I get out and try to hit it. It flies and then comes back. interviewer: Did you ever see this animal that's got a white stripe down it's back and it smells bad {X} 548: {NW} Yeah in a zoo. Uh oh I know what it is and why can't I say it. Skunk interviewer: Sure 548: {NW} interviewer: Is that the same thing as polecat? 548: Same thing now I said I hadn't seen one except in the zoo but I did. Down at wayside this bigger old man you know and I was talking to you about being down there um he went out that morning and we had a pump house and the pump was in that building it was a big old round pipe and and it ir- irrigation pump. And there was two of them things in that pump house. interviewer: Uh oh 548: I can't tell you he didn't pose with 'em. interviewer: {NW} That's probably a good idea. But you have heard people call 'em pole? 548: Polecat interviewer: And that's the same thing? 548: Yeah um interviewer: Do you ever uh have any trouble with animals getting in uh breaking in where your chickens were and killing 'em? Eating 'em? 548: What breaking in? interviewer: Any kind of animals getting after your chickens. 548: Yeah um one one time uh we lived close to the woods and uh we had a hen took steal her nest all and hatch a big old bunch big bunch of chickens in the old stump. And something caught her you know I made them eggs with just hatching caught her and left some eggs there. And we found some of 'em we done save some of 'em. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And uh we had two or three hens sitting on a nest and something come up and just cut the throats you know suck the blood and leave 'em sitting there. interviewer: What do you reckon it was? 548: Some people say it was a mink. interviewer: Huh 548: Now Lord I don't know. interviewer: Mm-hmm have you ever heard people call an animal like a mink or something like that a varmint? 548: Uh huh I've hear them called a varmint. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But what you can call 'em lots of things I guess. interviewer: Sure. You were talking about that hen {NW} if a hen was on a nest of eggs trying to hatch out something what would she be called? That would be just an old? 548: Chickens all I know. interviewer: Well something maybe like call it a setting hen or? 548: Setting hen that's about now that's what that's what it should be setting hen. interviewer: You got a bunch of these chicken then? 548: Oh yeah interviewer: How many eggs could you expect to get everyday from 'em? 548: Well we didn't get none too many um um we never did get to feed 'em like we should feed 'em but oh I don't know I used ten maybe a day. interviewer: Mm-hmm that's not bad. Uh 548: We had plenty of eggs to eat. interviewer: That would be enough for a family. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Did you ever see these little animals with the bushy tails around here running around in the trees? 548: Plenty of 'em {X}. They run come down that tree and go across that dock um or climb across that road there and go up to trees over yonder. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And out on the front you can just see 'em all up in these trees out there. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: They're squirrels. interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you have different types? 548: Well yeah there's some different types but these little bitty brown squirrels. What you what I'm seeing out there is a bunch of young ones they're small. But they're pretty. interviewer: Have you ever heard people call 'em gray squirrels or red squirrels fox squirrels any of that? 548: Yeah interviewer: Which ones what do they call 'em? 548: Well they these I'm talking about is um well those brown I guess would be a fox squirrel. interviewer: Mm-hmm {X} squirrel 548: Mm-hmm fox squirrel interviewer: Do you have these little animals they are not as big as the squirrel and they stay on the ground mostly. Don't have that big bushy tail. 548: Rat? interviewer: Well not exactly a rat it looks kind of like one. Something like a chipmunk or ground squirrel? Don't have those in this area? 548: No but I've seen flying squirrels. interviewer: Oh really? 548: One interviewer: It's been a long time since I've saw one of those things. 548: It's been a long time but I've seen one. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Our cat caught that thing and brought it in the house and I choked her until she turned that squirrel loose interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and uh I had it in my hand and it was so tiny he couldn't bite me. {X} Little bunch of skin here That thing might beat me up but I but I took it away from that cat. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And put them in bucket tied me a rag over it and oh boy thought I had something. It was it was sturdy. And my step daddy come in I run and got it and showed it to him and he called the cat and then just poured it out of the bucket down there and let the cat get it and eat it. interviewer: Mm-hmm You went through a lot of trouble for nothing. 548: That's how mean he was. interviewer: Yeah that's too bad. 548: But the cat eat it after I'd done got eat up through him. He was a little putting back {X} interviewer: Mm-hmm Mm-hmm What about these animals that you hear around ponds at night that makes these croaking noise you know? 548: Bull frogs interviewer: Yeah those are the big ones aren't they? 548: Mm-hmm Yeah lots of folks likes to eat 'em but I don't. interviewer: Yeah I heard that the legs. 548: That's all you can cook. interviewer: I never had any. 548: Ain't nothing to the body. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Well no I'll tell you leave 'em out won't do it. interviewer: Why's that? 548: They would you you'd kill 'em. I mean you'd clean 'em tonight and put 'em in an ice box and in the morning when you put 'em in grease hot grease boil them things and my neck jumps {X} interviewer: Yeah I've heard that. 548: Ain't dead interviewer: Mm-hmm still twitching. 548: I I don't know. Whether they're dead or if it's just the nerve or what. But don't give it to me I don't want it. interviewer: Yeah I've heard that. I've heard it tastes like chicken. 548: They tell me it's good too but I don't wanna taste There's some good meat in turtle meat too. interviewer: Where are they? 548: No not me. interviewer: What kind of turtles do you usually usually use for to eat? 548: Well I don't know we we tried to we never did use but two and it was just called a loggerhead turtle you know. Out and a {X} you know they came good turtles you know in big water. Soft shell turtles and {D: ally} interviewer: I've heard those loggerhead turtles can smell bad. Or don't smell so hot. 548: But they didn't they didn't smell good I didn't even know it. Now you clean a turtle the today and put put all the other junk and leave the heart in it. In ever we cleaned 'em out you just leave the heart in that shell. And go ahead and cook and eat that turtle today in the morning that heart is still beating. interviewer: How? 548: It's still beating interviewer: Uh 548: I done seen that don't give me no turtle uh uh. interviewer: That's strange. 548: It's strange but it works. interviewer: Did you have turtles around here that stayed on the land mostly instead of the water? 548: Yeah uh down at one side of the woods they I found one one day way off away from the water. You know she was uh making her nest. Dur- during high heat you know digging out a hole that's back up under them weeds. interviewer: Uh huh 548: And uh so she made her nest there a laid a pile of eggs. And they hatched. We watched. And they hatched. But when a turtle lays their eggs they don't never go back and see about the little. interviewer: Hmm 548: And if they make it to the water or {X} interviewer: {NW} 548: {NW} interviewer: That's just the ways it goes. 548: Yeah interviewer: Those land turtles would people call 'em terrapins or tortoises or anything like that? 548: I believe they call them terrapins I'm not sure. interviewer: Ever heard anybody call one a cooter 548: Yeah I've heard them called cooter interviewer: The what? 548: Toot {NW} tooter interviewer: You know what a lot of people call 'em where I am from? 548: Uh uh interviewer: {X} Ever heard that? 548: Don't believe so. interviewer: {NW} Yeah What about these a when you were talking about bullfrogs. Do you have a kind of frog that will stay around your garden a lot? Eat insects you know stays on land mostly. 548: Toad Frogs interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And they tell me they cause warts on you but they won't. interviewer: I've heard that. 548: Hmm they won't interviewer: {NW} Have you ever seen any frogs that real tiny they ain't much bigger than this? 548: Mm-hmm rain frogs ain't it? Little green frogs? interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Rain frogs interviewer: Why do they call 'em that? 548: I really don't know. But when ever they go holler have you ever heard 'em? interviewer: I don't think so. 548: They'll holler just before it rains. interviewer: Oh 548: And they'll just holler and holler and holler when there's when there's one around you would know it. interviewer: {NW} He's pretty loud huh? 548: Uh huh interviewer: When y'all went fishing what did y'all use for bait? 548: Red worms earth worms some people call 'em. I guess you know what I'm talking about. interviewer: Well about that size? 548: Yeah you dig out of the ground. interviewer: Yes ma'am Have you ever heard being on a {X} for worms? 548: No {NW} Uh uh interviewer: A {D:job} of wooden posts in the ground and run something over the top of it and those vibrations will make the worms come out. 548: No I have never. {NW} interviewer: Gone {X} for worms 548: No I never did hear tell of that interviewer: Have you you ever hear of ever heard of a worm called the night crawlers? 548: Night? interviewer: Mm-hmm great big old black ones. 548: No well you mean the big old black bustling worm? I guess I've seen 'em but I don't know. What about night crawlers I don't know. interviewer: Do you know can y'all get any seafood around here in the stores? 548: Yeah yeah you can get it. interviewer: Okay {X} 548: Well really I don't too much about it but I've counted between {X} um between {X} they sell um catfish and uh lobsters all all kinds of stuff like that between {X} you know the place out there. All kind of stuff I don't know. interviewer: What about this these things that people talk about eating with a half shell they say that pearls grow in them. 548: I don't know I imagine they got them. interviewer: Yes oysters? 548: Oysters interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Oysters that's right. Over there where my daughter lives they gather them things by the truck loads interviewer: Really? 548: and sell 'em. interviewer: Hmm 548: Where they don't they are opening shells you know and uh they allowed to get just so many but they do boil 'em mop up them things. interviewer: {NW} 548: And they're high too. And they got their own factories you know the shelling things out and channeling buckets and carrying 'em out and sell 'em to stores. interviewer: Have you ever eaten them? 548: Uh uh interviewer: Don't like those? 548: Uh uh interviewer: I think I can eat 'em fried but uh not raw. {NW} Yeah some people eat those things raw. 548: Yeah that's what they tell me. interviewer: I don't think they have much taste to 'em. Doesn't feel anyway. 548: I don't believe I'd swallow. interviewer: {NW} Well what about talking about seafood you know these little little tiny fan-tailed animals that people eat called shrim- 548: I'll tell ya in a minute. Crawfish interviewer: Okay yeah or something else. 548: Shrimp interviewer: Right do you like either one of those? 548: Man I don't I don't like much of nothing like that and uh Chicken I won't eat nothing but the breast of a chicken. interviewer: Why's that? 548: Or legs. I don't know I just don't wanna. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's yeah for fish I'll eat a piece of catfish you know. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I like catfish and hushpuppies interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But after a piece of that don't give me no fish interviewer: {NW} Do you do you ever make your own bread? 548: Yeah I I make my cornbread just me I don't never make no biscuits. I make cornbread every once and awhile. interviewer: You don't make anything besides cornbread or biscuits. 548: Uh uh interviewer: You know some people say that they just two kinds of bread the kind that you make at home call that homemade bread the kind that is bought at the store is called what? 548: Store bought bread interviewer: Which do you prefer? 548: I like homemade bread. But I'm too lazy interviewer: {NW} 548: You know there ain't nobody but me {X} I just hardly ever cook. interviewer: Uh huh Have you did you ever make it before? Homemade bread? 548: Good gracious yeah interviewer: How do you make it? 548: Uh well I get me a bowl and I would pour myself rising meal in there. Maybe break an egg in there cook me a little grease a little buttermilk or water stir it up and have the skillet hot. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Sprinkle me a little meal in there and let it brown and then pour my bread over in that skillet so it can {X} Let it get up. interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you have to uh put something in it to make it rise? 548: Uh uh No I get the I get the self rise mix. It's got all that rising stuff already in it. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I buy self rising. interviewer: Have you ever heard of people who put something in it to make it rise? 548: Man I used to do that when I had to. {NW} interviewer: Yeah what did you put in it? 548: Baking powder and soda mostly baking powder. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Cause soda you might ruin my bread with every time I used it. interviewer: Was there anything else that would make it ri- rise besides? 548: Yeast interviewer: Oh yeah 548: them days if I hadn't used buttermilk to make it up with it wouldn't be any good at all. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I don't want no more plain meal and the more plain flour. interviewer: Mm-hmm About how much flour did you usually buy at a time back then? 548: Well when I was raising my children I I I had to buy at least a twenty-five pound sack every week. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And I'll tell you kids eat. interviewer: How much did you say? 548: Twenty-five pound sack every week. interviewer: Whoa a lot of flour. 548: Yeah I I made a lot of biscuits then I I put the rest of the flour in the cornbread. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Always put flour in my in my cornbread. interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you ever make up a this this stuff you made up your batter and you pour it around and cook 'em four or five at a time people like to eat 'em for breakfast? 548: Hot cakes interviewer: Yeah 548: I love them too. interviewer: Mm-hmm And I did too. Have you ever heard people call 'em anything besides hot cakes? 548: Hoecake? interviewer: Is that the same thing? 548: I think it is the same thing only there's there's something little hoe cakes {NW} interviewer: Yeah yeah 548: I guess that's where it goes. interviewer: Is that like a batter cake? 548: Yeah interviewer: Same thing? 548: Hoecake is one of them that you turn over you know like I was telling you know before. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: The way I cook my hoecakes. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I guess one of them little batter cakes it'd be the same thing. interviewer: Or pancake? 548: That sounds different don't it? {NW} I mean you know more about cooking than I thought you did. interviewer: {NW} Not too much I am not much of a cook. What about do you ever make these things homemade you made up some batter and you put 'em fried them in these stacks and they had a hole right in the middle of 'em Like a donut? 548: No I never did make no donut. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I never did learn how. interviewer: Mm-hmm My mother made them occasionally maybe once or twice I can remember but they so much trouble it is easier to buy 'em at the store. 548: Yeah interviewer: {NW} 548: But I never did learn how. interviewer: Mm-hmm What what about the two parts of an egg what do you call that? 548: The yolk of a egg is yellow. And the white interviewer: Yeah 548: is the other part of the egg. interviewer: That's it. Is it the white that you use if you are making a cake or something like that? 548: Uh huh dif- you know it's dif- different cakes yeah. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Sometimes you can use the whole thing . But if you gonna put it on top of the cake it's a white of egg. interviewer: I see 548: Put in your plate and beat it interviewer: Right 548: 'til it {X} interviewer: Why not? {NW} That's a 548: I don't what nothing but no raw egg in it. interviewer: Oh You need to well what kind of egg do you eat? How how do you like 'em cooked? 548: Scrambled and I mean real done. interviewer: {NW} 548: That's the only way. interviewer: None of this none of this runny stuff. 548: Uh uh uh uh can't stand that. interviewer: What about some other ways you can fix an egg that you know about besides scrambled? 548: Well I can't I can eat uh once in awhile I eat a couple of boiled eggs. But now first you know fixing 'em many other ways I don't know. interviewer: Is there some way to fix 'em using uh you have a little cup over boiled water and you crack the egg and you put it in the cup and then you cook it that way? 548: Yeah that that's sea folks eat that. interviewer: What do you call that? 548: I know but I can't just say it right. Poached interviewer: Yeah 548: Poached interviewer: yeah why's that why does just sea folk do that? 548: I don't know anybody that wants to but generally a doctor will tell it's patient or not eat no grease. interviewer: #1 Oh oh oh # 548: #2 Eat your eggs # poached you know you {X} interviewer: I see 548: and that's what I was talking about. interviewer: Yeah that makes sense. 548: Course it's been done anybody wants to eat. interviewer: Mm-hmm yep 548: But that's doctors orders. interviewer: Right 548: If they don't want you to have no grease you just eat poached egg. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah You say that you didn't like to boil bacon with your grease. 548: Uh huh interviewer: Yeah what about if you wanted to buy a lot of bacon and not have it sliced you'd buy yourself a hole? What would you call that? 548: Slab interviewer: Yeah Ever heard ever heard people call that the middling? 548: Yep that's what it is it's the middling of the hog but some folks say it's a slab of bacon or a slab of meat or interviewer: Uh huh yeah well you know when you slice the bacon off that slab you probably cut off that tough edge to it what would that be called? 548: Scraps I guess. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what I'd call it. interviewer: That tough edge that's hard to chew? 548: Yeah they they they have to leave that out. Not put that in. interviewer: Yeah like big skin or rind or something like that? 548: They can't put that in there. I bought big boxes of {X} you know like we we talking about. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Big boxes for {D: a dollar and something} interviewer: Hmm 548: and man they's they's lots of good eating in that box. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But I got high blood I ain't supposed to much of that. interviewer: {NW} I see Have you seen you have a men who sell meat just sell meat and nothing else? 548: Uh huh interviewer: What would they be called? 548: I don't know. interviewer: Uh would it be a butcher? 548: A butcher? I guess that sounds right yeah. interviewer: Do do you still have butchers Or 548: I I believe yeah around these stores you know. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: They they cook the meat the pieces of meat. And I don't know I don't know where really that they kill them animals {X} I don't know. interviewer: Yeah Have you ever heard of well what would what would you say was wrong with meat if you kept it too long and it didn't taste good? You'd say it's? 548: Tainted interviewer: Yeah Is that the same thing if it's spoiled? 548: Uh huh that's the same thing. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah as what? 548: It's tainted if it's spoiled it's the same thing. interviewer: Yeah what about butter it's got like that 548: What is? Well I the way I'd say it you it just ain't good. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Too old that's what I would say. interviewer: Yeah if you know some people say that uh meat gets strong 548: Yeah it does. interviewer: Now does that mean it's spoiled? 548: #1 No # interviewer: #2 If it's strong? # 548: really really it don't mean it's spoiled interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: but they just kept it too long but they're taking care of it but it's just stronger than it's supposed to be and it don't taste good. interviewer: Is it alright to eat it though? 548: Yeah interviewer: You can eat it? 548: You can eat it. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see. Talking about butter that's no good have you ever heard people say that butter's got kind of a funky taste to it? Tastes a little funky. 548: Uh huh interviewer: Is that the word they would say or? 548: Yeah that's the way they'd say it I guess as far as I know. interviewer: Like how? 548: that say it had a funky taste to it. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Smell or something. interviewer: Mm-hmm kind of peculiar {X}. 548: You can tell when it ain't no good. interviewer: Mm-hmm What about the kind of meat you make from a hog's head? 548: Souse I don't know it too good they have all the meat off of it's head in there and all that I mean {X} interviewer: Don't like it huh? 548: Huh? interviewer: Don't like souse? 548: Uh uh interviewer: Yeah 548: and one thing it's so greasy. interviewer: Oh yeah Have you ever heard people call that souse head cheese? 548: Yeah interviewer: Same thing? 548: Some kind of cheese. I guess it's head cheese it's some kind of cheese they call 'em. interviewer: Yes ma'am. I see. Does people ever make anything out of a hog's liver? 548: Hash liver and lites. interviewer: What's that? 548: And boil them together and make hash. interviewer: Yeah 548: They cut it up uh onions and hot grease and um put sage well I don't know what all they put in it but they then they cook it up together in that skillet to make hash. interviewer: Hmm 548: It's good. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see. Did they ever make any kind of um liver pudding or anything like that? 548: Not up to my knowings. interviewer: {NW} Yeah 548: I wouldn't be in that in that {X} if I found one I wouldn't eat it. interviewer: Yeah Well you're not going to like this but I've heard some people say that they make stuff out of hog's blood. Have you ever heard of that? 548: I've heard 'em making pies out of hog's blood. interviewer: Uh 548: Man I wouldn't eat it. interviewer: Heard they did that around here? 548: Not that I know of. interviewer: But you've heard of it? 548: Uh huh and uh and uh I do know they can grasshopper you know what that is? interviewer: They can grasshoppers? 548: Yeah They've got 'em right here in town in cans. And I've heard the can rattlesnakes. interviewer: Uh 548: But now with me knowing I don't know. {X} But I do know they can grasshoppers. interviewer: I don't think I'd care to try that. 548: {NW} Anybody would be crazy to eat that. interviewer: I think I would just let them hop around the yard {NW} leave 'em alone. 548: I don't want nothing to do with them. interviewer: Yeah Do do you ever keep uh thick sour milk around the kitchen to make things out of? 548: Yeah I used to keep uh soured milk to make bread or biscuits or something. interviewer: What was that called? 548: Sour milk for us. interviewer: Is that the same thing as clabber? 548: Well yeah well you let it clabber. When it clabbers ain't no sign it's sour. interviewer: Oh I see. 548: So you can eat it. I love clabbered milk. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Then if it sets long enough to get sour I don't. interviewer: Yeah can you just eat that? {X} 548: Yeah that clabbered milk man that's good. interviewer: Mm-hmm Can you make anything out of it like uh you know those black stuff people eat when they're going on diets? 548: Maybe could but not that I know of. interviewer: Cottage? 548: Cottage cheese? interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: They might could. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I really never did know what it was made out of. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Cottage cheese interviewer: Yes ma'am. You know after you milked your cows did you ever do anything with the milk to get some of the interiors out of it? 548: Strain it through a cloth. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: In a in a churn. One of them big tall uh churns you know like we used to have. interviewer: Yes ma'am. 548: You've seen? interviewer: I have seen 'em I've never seen one anybody use one. 548: Well an- anyway in that big old tall churn thick it's thick head and then it got a dasher you seen them? interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And so when they are in that clabberous state let it get warm some where. Don't don't make it stay cool let it get warm and then you gonna clabber and then you take that um dasher put that in there and put that lid on it and churn it. Make you a big old bowl of butter. interviewer: Is that homemade butter pretty good? 548: Oh boy I wish I had some of it now. interviewer: Is it better than what you'd buy in the store? 548: Yeah it is. A lot better. interviewer: Mm-hmm I bet it was better. Did you ever make something for dessert in a deep dish with maybe apple slices or peach slices it'd have a nice thick crust to it? 548: Not that no that's uh what fruit pie? It's all kinds of fruit ain't it? interviewer: Could be I guess. I was think about something like a cobbler. 548: Oh good gracious yeah I've I love a cobbler. That's for apple pie. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I love that. interviewer: What can you make a cobbler out of? 548: Apples you need a little spice you know on your apple. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Roll you out a piece of dough put it on when you're done mash it down all the way around. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Stick some holes through it if you put that in hot grease you know without sticking holes in it it would just swell up and bust. Well if you stick holes in it before you put it in that skillet of hot grease it won't bust. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah I see. You were talking about a pie can you ever did you ever pour over some kind of sweet liquid over a pie? Maybe milk with cream or nutmeg or something like that? 548: Yeah cream over pie is good. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I I usually {X} interviewer: Mm-hmm would that be like a sauce for the pie? 548: Uh huh interviewer: That's what you would call it? 548: It's good yeah. interviewer: Mm-hmm and you call it uh? 548: Cream interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: sweet cream. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Or either just cow cream is good on it. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: All that sweet milk. interviewer: Yes ma'am it's kind of a sauce for it. 548: Uh huh interviewer: That's what you would call it? 548: Yeah interviewer: What what would you call a food that you eat between meals? You say you're having a? 548: Lunch? interviewer: Well between meals maybe between lunch and supper. 548: A bite? interviewer: Sure {NW} 548: A bite. interviewer: Alright just have a bite to eat? 548: Yeah interviewer: Do you uh drink this hot stuff that a lot of people drink for breakfast? 548: Chocolate? interviewer: Well not that but uh 548: Coffee? interviewer: Yeah 548: I love coffee interviewer: Mm-hmm how do you drink yours? What do you like in it? 548: Well I generally put a little milk sweet milk in it. I don't put no sugar cause I got high blood and I ain't supposed to. interviewer: Yes ma'am Do you ever hear people if they wanted coffee but they didn't want anything in it at all how would what would they say? How would they say that? 548: I want my coffee black. {NW} interviewer: How's anybody stand that with nothing in it. {X} Have you ever heard any people say I like my coffee straight? 548: Uh huh yeah I've heard 'em say I want it straight then I hear him say I want my coffee like my women I want it black {NW} interviewer: Oh I don't know about that. 548: I've heard that before. interviewer: Have you ever heard anybody say they wanted this coffee barefooted? 548: No interviewer: With nothing in it. 548: Uh uh barefooted no. interviewer: I asked you about an expression you know if you had a lot of people over at your house for a meal. 548: Yeah interviewer: And if they were all just standing around the table and you don't want 'em to you'd tell 'em to go ahead and? 548: Go ahead and sit down. interviewer: Mm-hmm okay And say after they were already seated at the table if you didn't want them to wait until supper was passed to 'em you'd tell 'em to go ahead and? 548: Go ahead and help yourself. interviewer: Okay what would you say if somebody passed you something that you just did not like? 548: I'd pass it on down from me. interviewer: {NW} 548: That's what I'd have getting by interviewer: Right you wouldn't say anything though? 548: Uh uh interviewer: Like I I don't care for that or 548: No I don't I don't think I would say it. Well I'd get by and pass it all around the table . interviewer: Oh Mm-kay What what would you call a food that's been heated and served a second time? 548: A left over. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I do that lots of times. interviewer: Oh yeah? Supper that you had? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: The day earlier or something like that? 548: I was eating if I cooked you see need one I don't need much to have. So I can't cook just what I eat. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: So I just warm it over and eat it again. interviewer: Mm-hmm Have you ever heard of eating something that was just cornmeal a boiled in water and maybe a little salt in? 548: Mush interviewer: Is it good? 548: Yeah it's good too. Back in the old days they made a lot of that. interviewer: Is that right? 548: My momma did made by pots full and we wouldn't stop 'til we eat it up. interviewer: Hmm it was pretty good? 548: Yeah now-a-days nobody don't never do that no more. interviewer: Hmm 548: Not that I know of. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Back in the old days momma sure made a lot of it. interviewer: Yes ma'am What about uh something that's a real starchy food and it grows in flooding fields around here. 548: Rice? interviewer: Yeah does any of that grow around here in this area? 548: Yeah not you know not around here in town but out in maybe in some country. interviewer: Mm-hmm Well I I never seen that growing until last summer I was in Arkansas and I was riding along and I saw these fields and I was {X} and I say boy these people have had good rain out here 548: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 all these fields covered in water. # {NW} I didn't know that's what it's supposed to be. 548: Oh and we were talking about snakes they're in them places. interviewer: Yeah 548: I mean interviewer: Have you ever been around a rice field? 548: No I ain't been around it but uh my sister's husband is. interviewer: Hmm 548: And she'd be out there at night watching the pumps you know that pumps that water in them. One night he's out there and a snake got in his boot. interviewer: Uh 548: I don't reckon it had room to bite him. interviewer: {NW} 548: He had pull that boot off pour that snake out. interviewer: Whoa I think I would have gotten out of that boot pretty quick. 548: I think I would too. I'd be so scared I don't know whether I'd try to throw it off or not. interviewer: Yeah 548: {NW} interviewer: Have you ever heard of people around here make a homemade liquor you know and instill used to make it up in the hill. 548: Oh I've heard it. interviewer: What they call that stuff? 548: Moonshine interviewer: I understand that that's not very good stuff. 548: I don't imagine. interviewer: Yeah 548: I never did try it. interviewer: You ever heard call it white lightening? 548: Uh huh I hear that song about white lightening but I reckon it's the same stuff. interviewer: {NW} I guess so. 548: That white lightening is power wasn't it? interviewer: I I think it was. I don't know I never tried any. 548: Well I hadn't either but going from that song I'm talking about. interviewer: I don't think they make that stuff in a very sanitary condition. 548: Uh uh I don't think so. interviewer: I asked you about this expression you would say that when you put food in your mouth and you began to? 548: Chew interviewer: Mm-kay we were talking about molasses a minute ago is that is there something like molasses but just a little bit different? 548: Honey? interviewer: Okay or something else besides that? You could pour on hotcakes? Like syrup 548: Yeah well I always called it all molasses. {NW} interviewer: So there's not any difference between 548: Well there's different kinds but I just say molasses and get it over with. interviewer: {NW} Alright so as far as you're concerned molasses and syrup is the same thing? 548: Mm-hmm syrup's just a new name that's all. interviewer: I see. What about these expressions say if I have on a belt and it's made out of cow hide and nothing else. I might tell somebody well now this isn't imitation cow hide this is? 548: Real cow hide. interviewer: Or I might say this is gen-? 548: Genuine cow hide. interviewer: Alright You know before sugar was sold packaged like it is now-a-days. They might sell it uh maybe out of the barrel or something like that? How would they say they were selling it? 548: By the pound interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Is that right? interviewer: Yes ma'am would that be the same as saying you selling it uh bulk sugar? Bulk sugar 548: That's the same interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: cause you so much a pound for it it don't matter how many pounds you get. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And it's got to be the same thing. interviewer: As what? 548: As uh bulk sugar. interviewer: Pardon bulk sugar? You've heard it called that? 548: Bulk? interviewer: Bull or bulk 548: Bulk of sugar uh huh It don't matter how big a bulk it is interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: if it's one pound or two. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Uh huh interviewer: I see You said that you didn't cook biscuits very much anymore. You know some people when they cook biscuits they like to spread this stuff on them they butter 'em and spread this maybe strawberry or grape? 548: Jelly interviewer: Mm-hmm do you like to do that to yours? 548: Oh boy interviewer: {NW} 548: If I can get somebody else to cook 'em I do. {NW} interviewer: {NW} I guess so what kinds of jelly do you like? 548: Well I like grape jelly or an apple apple jelly well I like almost any kind of jelly. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But them buttered biscuits are so hard {NW} interviewer: I know what you mean {X} What would you say the opposite of rich is if a man don't have much money you say he's real? 548: Poor interviewer: Mm-kay Say that uh talking about something else if you had a lot of fruit trees growing together what would you call that you'd say you had a big? 548: Orchard interviewer: Right any of those around here that you know of? Hadn't seen any? Yeah 548: {X} interviewer: Do people grow any kind of fruit trees around here? 548: Uh uh uh but do you know do you know we from a one tree you can have um like peaches apples and pears made just from one tree. interviewer: From one tree? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: I didn't know that. 548: You can interviewer: Hmm 548: well you see you can cut off a branch and um well the way I've seen it done they cut off the top of just any finer tree you know just any kind of tree it don't have to be uh a fruit tree. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And cut if off to a big um {X} about that high. And then they took a saw and sawed it down in there. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And and along that thing they'd stick uh uh peach tree branch in there and on the other side an apple tree branch you know around like that. It had four or five different fruits on that one tree. interviewer: Huh 548: When they get it in there they would see that they have to uh take a tape I reckon it look like white tape made to fasten {X} where you cut it down there. Fasten it together right tight on that branch and it will grow right on up and made their fruit just the same but it was a different kind of tree. interviewer: {X} That's pretty convenient to have everything in one tree. 548: Uh huh interviewer: Yeah sure is. 548: You can do it I've seen it done. interviewer: Do you remember what kind of tree it was that George Washington was supposed to cut down? 548: Cherry tree. interviewer: Do you believe that? 548: Do I believe it? interviewer: That story about that. 548: Yeah it's got to be {X}. interviewer: What what do you call that hard inside part of the cherry that you might crack a tooth on if you bit down on it? 548: A seed? interviewer: Mm-hmm What about an inside part of a peach? 548: You can eat that anyway {NW} interviewer: What do you call that? 548: That's a seed interviewer: That's a seed? Do you have these peaches around here where the meat of the peach is real tight against the seed? 548: We get 'em every once and awhile interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: It's so tight and you can hardly get enough of it off the seed to do no good. interviewer: What do you call those kinds of peaches? 548: Man I don't know. interviewer: Have you heard them called plain peach or fresh peach anything like that? 548: No no I ain't never hear them called nothing but really if I know what I'm getting I just go and get one. interviewer: {NW} You have that other type where the seed comes out real easy? 548: Clear seed interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Them them's nice interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah I bet they are. What about that part of the apple that's left after you've eaten around it? 548: Core interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you ever hear of people around her cutting up uh apples and peaches and setting them out to dry? 548: We used to do that. interviewer: What did you use that for? 548: Well we we we cut 'em cut the apples and peaches and you know peeled 'em and cut 'em put 'em on a sheet and had a tin you know pieces of tin out in the yard. {NW} We'd take 'em out there and spread the sheet out on that tin and scatter them out then at night we'd bring 'em in and in the morning we'd carry 'em back again. interviewer: Hmm 548: Until they dry. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Then we would put 'em up and cook. interviewer: Would they would they {NW} say if you left a whole apple out in the sun say it dried and get real wrinkled you know {X} 548: Just shriveled away. interviewer: Something like this is not good for anything is it? 548: Uh uh interviewer: Just have to throw it away. 548: That's right. interviewer: Are there any kinds of nuts that grow around here? 548: Nut? interviewer: Like uh where I'm from these nuts that grow in the ground uh hard shell on 'em. 548: Peanuts interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: {NW} interviewer: Yeah do those grow around here? 548: Well they would if somebody had a garden that would plant 'em. interviewer: Hmm 548: Yeah they would grow. interviewer: But there not a money crop for the farmers or anything like that? 548: Uh uh I don't know when I've seen any peanuts grow. interviewer: Mm-hmm Have you ever heard people call 'em anything besides peanuts? 548: Goobers {NW} interviewer: Right yes 548: Yeah interviewer: Yeah that's a big crop where I'm from. Some farms make their money off 'em. 548: Well where are you from? interviewer: Alabama That's peanut country down there. Sure is. Well what did the farmers around here grow mostly? 548: Well mostly wheat or or cotton or corn or rice other words I think that's about all they grew. interviewer: Yeah 548: There's a place down here {X} where they plant all kinds of stuff you know um {X} a lot of them got but anyway these boys and girls you know they's picks what to raise. The one that raises the best cow or the best uh peanuts or the best whatever it is interviewer: {X} 548: {X} something like that {X} They plant them down there and they give away by truckloads. interviewer: Uh 548: You see I after they raise 'em and grow all kinds of stuff down there. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But I never can find out when they gonna give 'em away I can't get none. interviewer: It would be nice to know. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah {NW} 548: When they get through with 'em maybe just give 'em away to anybody that comes get 'em. interviewer: Do you have any kind of uh these trees that you know got nuts growing on 'em uh sort of like {X} 548: Hickory nuts? interviewer: Got some of those trees around here? 548: Um I seen none in years I don't know what. interviewer: Hmm What about pecan trees? 548: Yeah there's lots of pecan trees around here. But I don't know just every two or three years they make pecans. interviewer: Hmm 548: Then there's a year or two they don't make none. interviewer: Hmm Got any walnut? Don't have any of those? 548: Not that I know of. interviewer: What's that? 548: Walnuts interviewer: I see you ever heard of uh uh nut called an almond? 548: Almond? interviewer: Yes ma'am {X} 548: No I don't I don't hear {X} well I haven't seen none I don't think. interviewer: When you were telling me about your garden uh you did mention a little vegetable usually kinda round and red got a hot peppery taste to it some people make this horse uh? 548: Radish interviewer: You ever grow grow those things? 548: But interviewer: Before they're radishes Right here? 548: That ain't what that's made out of is it? interviewer: What? 548: Horse radish made out of radish. interviewer: I meant I meant horse radish you ever heard of that? 548: Yeah I heard of it. interviewer: Uh Do you have uh this citrus fruit growing around here uh got a lot of seeds in it. Like a lot of it grows in Florida. 548: No interviewer: Yeah 548: Not that I know of interviewer: Mm-hmm Don;t have any oranges growing here? 548: Uh uh not an orange tree in this in Mississippi not that I know of. interviewer: Hmm I see. You what about the different kinds of berries that grow around here? 548: Mm-hmm dewberries interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: or black berry interviewer: Got any {NW} Excuse me got any strawberries? 548: Yeah some people's got a few strawberries. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: They will grow here yeah. interviewer: Mm-hmm Let me ask you about this expression say {NW} if a man had seven boys and seven girls in his family you'd say he sure had a whole? 548: Bunch of interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah a whole bunch of children? Or something else you might say um he's gotta whole? 548: Crowd of children. interviewer: Yeah 548: I'll tell you {X} interviewer: {NW} What's the most children you ever heard of in one family? 548: Twenty some interviewer: Twenty? Just one family? 548: Uh huh interviewer: Is it somebody you knew? 548: It's uh huh Mr. Park and Ms. Park Mr. Park married and um him and his first wife had a bunch of children and he married another woman and they had another bunch by her. interviewer: He had twenty children? 548: Mm-hmm he did by them two women. interviewer: I wonder if they were all at the house at the same time. 548: No uh uh interviewer: {NW} 548: {NW} No I {X} interviewer: Mm-hmm man I can't imagine that. 548: There's uh man goes over yonder I I forgot how many he has but he's got just about that many {D} He said you know they give the old folks the oldest man that comes over there Father's Day they they give him a treat of some kind and he had to tell how many kids he had he told his wife that I wish I hadn't come today and she say why because I had {X} kids interviewer: Yeah 548: And she said well you not ashamed of them are you? He said no I ain't ashamed of 'em but he had the most kids of anybody there. interviewer: Mm-hmm You ever hear somebody say or so and so just got a whole passel of kids? 548: Yeah I've heard 'em say that too. interviewer: Is that they way they would say it? 548: Yeah interviewer: How's that? 548: Uh oh oh oh so and so's got a whole passel of kids. interviewer: {NW} Well say if you on the way to go to the store to get you some lettuce you'd tell me to go get? Two or three? 548: Heads of lettuce interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah Have you ever heard somebody would say that he has so many heads of children? 548: No interviewer: Hadn't heard that? 548: No interviewer: Talking about corn when corn's growing that stuff that grows right out of the top of the stalk what do you call that? 548: Silk interviewer: Hmm 548: Corn silk interviewer: Is that like the stuff you have to brush off the ear? 548: Mm-hmm you know it comes out of the ear you know while it's making uh {X} interviewer: Right what about the stuff that grows right out of the top of the stock? 548: I always called it tassel. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah and {X} {X} that's your neighbor? 548: Uh-huh she was going in over there {X} 548: And she had been to the store to get the kids a cold drink interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: and on the way back there was um a grown negro boy had grabbed her purse interviewer: Oh 548: and so she wouldn't turn loose and he wouldn't turn loose. So he had snatch her down cause she wouldn't turn that purse loose. And so they snatched backwards and forwards and broke her cold drink finally he got the purse. interviewer: Hmm 548: And she said people were standing there and were looking at her and nobody wouldn't offer to help. interviewer: Really? 548: That's right. interviewer: Hmm 548: And then there was a woman a working at night and back down here at the old mill road um anyway she started getting through that going home and her gas give out. She got out and walked from there to the service station at night to get her some gas. Then on the way back she met a bunch of teenage boys niggers. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And and they uh made her pour that gas all over herself interviewer: Hmm 548: and then they struck a match to her. And she she couldn't get nobody to help her she run in a nigger juke joint. interviewer: Hmm 548: And a nigger man pulled his coat off and wrapped her up in it interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and put it out but she's she was burnt so bad. Well she lived to tell you know what happened interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: but she died. And there's several things that went on here just like that. {NW} Bad I'm tel- you feel bad. interviewer: Terrible 548: And bad interviewer: What do you reckon colored people would want to be called now-a-days? 548: Blacks or colored people. My God don't call 'em a nigger not to their face. interviewer: That get 'em mad? 548: They don't like that interviewer: Yeah {NW} 548: They say a nigger is a low class um people. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I don't see where the no lower class uh no none the rest of them now are niggers. interviewer: Have you ever heard one get mad at a white person and call them anything? 548: Um I don't believe I have. interviewer: Like um peckerwood or cracker or something like that? 548: No I haven't but they would but they do they call 'em everything but I don't mess with niggers. Cause I know they're dangerous. {X} sometimes um or keep the salvation army place they have well more niggers than they did whites up there in little old colored boys would tell 'em a white man's boys that would run in the salvation army tell that white man's boys God'll forgive you cause you're white. You know you talk to them white boys that way. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I tell you people had to take a lot off of and the government stands up for 'em and takes care of 'em. A white person does not hurt no nigger. Or they'll hang you up on the {X}. interviewer: {NW} Get into it huh? 548: Yeah interviewer: Have you ever heard of a you know like if uh white a white man married a black woman something like that if they had a baby. Have you ever heard it called anything in particular? 548: Well all I know it's a half nigger and half white. That's going on right here in this town. interviewer: Yeah? 548: That's right. interviewer: Hmm 548: And they got it look like nigger hair but it ain't that straw you know it ain't it's just as soft. When you just look at it it looks like niggers' hair. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Net and in the in the kids look like you know mixed got a white woman for a momma and that nigger man's as black as tar. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Oh wee lord have mercy. interviewer: But the babies are real light skinned? 548: Uh huh real light. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: You can't tell much difference in 'em except in their lips. You know a colored person's got thicker lips you know. You can tell. That's just about the only thing you can tell about 'em interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: and their hair. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah You know uh have you ever seen have you ever been in town when cun- people from the country were coming to town maybe on a Saturday or something like that and the peop- the city folks would kind of make fun of 'em? 548: Yeah interviewer: #1 Cause of the way they looked or something like that? # 548: #2 Uh huh # interviewer: #1 # 548: #2 # Cause they wasn't dressed right or something. Yep I've seen it happen lots of times. People make fun of other people I don't I don't believe in that. interviewer: Have you ever heard 'em call 'em anything like he's just an old? 548: Country boy or country girl or something like that. Or maybe different things I don't know. interviewer: Have you ever heard people say something like he's just an old country hoosier? 548: Yeah I hear that too. interviewer: How would they say that? 548: He's nothing but an old country hoosier. interviewer: It's not very nice is it? 548: No interviewer: Hurt your feelings. 548: Uh uh cause ain't nobody can help out the {X} ain't right. interviewer: So have you ever heard the word redneck used? 548: Oh good gracious yeah. interviewer: What does that mean? 548: Well these a I really don't know but one thing it's uh people from Louisiana they tell me they call them rednecks now what what it means I don't know. interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you reckon a redneck is somebody from the country? Or just from Louisiana? 548: I don't know that but they call them rednecks {X} interviewer: Have you ever heard people call 'em Cajuns? Is that the same thing? 548: Yeah that's the same thing. {X} they called them everything I guess interviewer: {NW} But mostly you've heard just what are the ones you hear mostly? 548: Mostly hear redneck. interviewer: Redneck 548: My daughter married one of them. interviewer: He's from Louisiana? 548: Yeah Morgan City Louisiana. interviewer: Is that where they live now? 548: Uh huh interviewer: {NW} What does he do for a living? 548: He's a welder. interviewer: A welder I see. Well before we got off on that I was asking you about corn. What do you call that outside cover over your corn? 548: Shuck interviewer: Mm-hmm is that good for anything or? 548: Yeah interviewer: Just 548: Good for cow feed mule feed or anything like that. Or I have stripped it up and made necklaces out of it. interviewer: Really? 548: When they get dried you know. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Of course you had to strip it up you know and get that hard knot out of there. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Get that out and make your necklace out of it. It lays good. interviewer: Hmm Have you ever made up something on the floor for children to sleep on over night? 548: Uh padded uh huh interviewer: Did you make that out of corn shucks? 548: Yeah uh huh you would put down your {X} um you know {X} like mattress. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Make it down in the floor interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: course if you put them shucks down there they scatter so they wouldn't have {X} interviewer: {NW} Have you ever slept on one of those? 548: Yeah and I've even got out in the field and pulled grass and made mattresses out of it. interviewer: Hmm 548: That's actually a good mattress. interviewer: Mm-hmm Yes ma'am 548: But now-a-days you don't have to do that. interviewer: Yeah you ever see these great big orange things growing around here that people make jack-o-lanterns out of at Halloween? 548: Pumpkins interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: No they don't grow around here but you see them up there in the store everywhere. interviewer: Have you ever eaten any pumpkin pie? 548: I bet you it would be good though. interviewer: It is it's pretty good. {X} for dessert not bad. Do you ev- ever see these little things growing wild in your yard its gotta silk stalk to it and kind of wide at the top? 548: Mushroom interviewer: Yeah 548: {NW} interviewer: Can you eat those things? 548: I wouldn't interviewer: Not good to eat? 548: They's wild that grows in the yard um but they you can get 'em canned mushrooms that's already canned but they're not them. Cause you raised them. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: There's a difference I don't know how much but I'd be afraid to eat 'em anyway. interviewer: Have you ever heard people call them anything besides mushrooms? 548: Toad stew. interviewer: Yeah {NW} Is that the same thing? 548: Same thing toad stew. interviewer: Yeah what about these things that some people smoke they're not smokey they're? 548: Cigarettes? interviewer: Mm-hmm or these long brown thick ones kind of those 548: Cigars interviewer: Right Do you ever smoke? 548: Never did interviewer: Me either I don't see the appeal to tell you the truth. 548: Mm-hmm I used to do snuff. interviewer: Oh really? Is that is that tobacco? 548: Yeah it's tobacco but it's ground up it's in a box. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: You ain't never seen none? interviewer: I've seen it I just didn't know exactly what it was. 548: It's it's ground up and powder but it's in the box interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and it tastes different than tobacco. I used to do it through the 90s and did that stuff {X} I had to have that good snuff. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But when I was baptized uh uh interviewer: So you had to cut that out? 548: Yes I did. interviewer: Was it just cause it's not good for you or what? 548: Oh snuff ain't too bad on on you but I don't think I had the right knowing. interviewer: Oh I see. 548: Um cause the Lord says what you loosed on Earth will be loosed in hell. But if you what ain't loosed on Earth you gonna carry to heaven with you so if you go up their and still are habit to that snuff you still got that habit to carry with you. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I've got {X} to mine. {NW} interviewer: Does your husband ever snuff? 548: He sure did dipped snuff and chewed tobacco me and him both drunk beer. We laid it all down though. interviewer: Oh he stopped smoking too? 548: Yeah he stopped smoking and and got got uh the holy ghost back got resaved again and the very day he got it back he died. interviewer: Hmm 548: The day he's baptized. Well the preacher said there that night before he died the next day he says well the preacher told me say there that the Lord showed me something tonight I got to tell Bud that was my husbands brother he was the holiest preacher and his wife says uh he in their don't go in and bother him he's sick and Henry said well I got to tell him since my Lord told me too. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And uh so he went down and told mules my husband he said well Bud says the Lord showed me tonight you need to be prayed up packed up ready to go and be baptized at the quickest minute because he's coming at it. interviewer: Hmm 548: And so that was Friday night and uh so my husband couldn't wait 'til Sunday and there wasn't gonna be baptize 'til Sunday he just couldn't wait just looked like he just wired just couldn't wait 'til Sunday but he did. And uh when he's baptized he died right their on the bank. interviewer: Hmm 548: But that uh holy expression say the Lord told him to tell him that he's coming after to be baptized as quick as he could. interviewer: MHmm 548: Sure died just wait to be baptized. interviewer: Hmm Had he been going to church all along uh 548: Uh uh we had just quit church. And we had just started back two or three times and uh so he went in the church with me two or three nights before he died and he got up and started down the church and he was in bad shape sick you know. And I started out with him and he kept bothering me to go back go back. Well I went back in there and half the church had gone out I went on out before he even left and he says you know if I hadn't gone out right when I did the devil would have killed me right there on the floor. interviewer: Hmm 548: He didn't go back in the church to ask the Lord cause he went from there uh to the he didn't go back in that church anymore but he went was baptized. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: So when he's baptized he got back to the Lord anyway. interviewer: Have you ever heard of these things that people claim they see around graveyards and they're afraid of 'em? 548: Haunts interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Haints or whatever interviewer: Do you believe in those things? 548: Yes I do. interviewer: Mm-hmm You ever seen one? 548: I bet you don't. interviewer: No I don't really {NW} You ever seen one? 548: Yeah interviewer: Where about? 548: I've seen things that didn't look didn't look right. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: um well us us three girls were sleeping in one bed and my momma was sleeping off in another room my mom and dad and um so their was a woman come in the middle door out of mama's room and we thought it was her and so where I was laying I was the middle I was the brave you know and I I punched my other sisters you know to look and we {X} seen it. No I told them what I seen and they went to {X} But I I laid right there and watched her come. Had a big old shiny thing thing around her head you know. It looked like she was floating she wasn't walking She was floating you know with a great big long white dress on. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And she come up on my older sisters side of the bed and just as just as she stood like this I hollered mom just as loud as I could. Oh she gone just like that. interviewer: Hmm 548: But momma she answered and I ask her was she was she in there and she says I ain't been in there. She got up and come on in there {X}. It wasn't momma. interviewer: Hmm that's strange. 548: That's strange interviewer: Is that the only one you've ever seen? 548: That's the that's about the only one I ever seen yeah. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Um but they tell tell me there is people that's born with a v- veil over their face they can see things And there's people that hadn't been born with a veil on their face that can't see. So I don't know. interviewer: Hmm 548: But I know I have seen I've seen that and I know it wasn't real too. interviewer: Have you have you ever heard of those things getting inside a house? You say the house was? 548: Haunted interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Uh huh momma told us more things about such as that. When when my grandpa died before my grandpa died um he had lots of horses and uh big farm and oh just had plenty of everything and he had a lot of money then and uh so he had the old shop but he built him a new one and grandma said uh he was working on that new shop and she went out to get her some chips to cook with and see him sitting down against the wall and one leg straightened out and the other drawed up cause he had dropped over between his legs. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And she {X} around to keep waking him up. And she got near back to the house and she she couldn't go past she had to turn around and go back and when she did he had a bleeding hemorrhage you know out from his head now and he was like near dead and in a few minutes he did die interviewer: Hmm 548: and um so he always had his mules and cows and things brought in at night put in the barn and taken care of. And after he died they never did bring them up or nothing and um so in that yard I was about two years old or uh not over three. And uh so something come out behind the rose bush like a white dog and we just go right over that big old pile of wood you know and hills you know they just kept big piles of wood just floating over that wood you know didn't ever use {X}. interviewer: Hmm 548: And go out there and hammer in that shop all night long and uh so my my daddy says I have found out what what it is tonight and so sure enough here he went up there with his gun and it loaded interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and uh so that night from around that same rose bush come a little um like uh wild {X} or something just a little white thing looked like a pocket hand a little white thing out and around that bush and papa shot it and it turned to uh a man and and that was stolen and I ain't telling no story. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And then and then after it turned to a man it just kept floating right on up over that pile of wood you know right on in that shop and hammered all night. interviewer: Hmm 548: Papa he went out and fell across the bed you know he liked snuff tobacco. interviewer: Hmm 548: He said I've never seen nothing else last night I know what it is. He said back then he shot something he know. He didn't have no business to. {X} choked it instead. interviewer: Strange 548: Yeah but it he didn't believe it either until he shot it he knows then it wasn't real. interviewer: Yeah Hmm I meant to ask you a minute ago when were talking about going fishing some people use these little fish for bait. Uh huh 548: minnows interviewer: Mm-hmm do you ever do you you said that you went fishing some? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Do you do you like to use worms or minnows? 548: I never did use minnows. When I went I always had to use worms. interviewer: Mm-hmm They were a little bit better? 548: I believe they stay on the hook longer. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Cause a fish makes one dash and a minnow it's gone. interviewer: {NW} yeah that's true. You have some you have some of the worm left. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah 548: Yeah they nibble and nibble on that worm. More than likely he will get caught while he's getting that worm off. interviewer: Right {NW} that would be right. So you were telling me about the different kinds of trees that grow around here uh I meant to ask you if you had any sycamore? 548: I don't know if there know of interviewer: Is that what people call 'em though? 548: Yeah interviewer: You've heard them called that before? 548: Yeah there's sycamore trees but I don't know is there none around here. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah What about these trees that had these shiny green leaves and these big bright flowers? {X} 548: Dogwood interviewer: Well yeah dogwoods or uh uh magnolia. 548: There's lots of magnolia. And there's dogwoods over yonder in that church yard where we eat lunch everyday. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see have you ever heard of a bush around here called a sumac or sumac or shumake anything like that? 548: Seem like I've heard about shumaker bush interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: seem like I have. interviewer: Does it got red berries on it? 548: Yes there's several bushes around here with red berries on 'em. interviewer: Mm-hmm called shumake? 548: Uh huh interviewer: I see have you ever gotten any of this stuff that uh you get into it and it'll make your skin break out and itch? 548: Poison ivy interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah have you ever gotten any of that stuff? 548: No it ain't never hurt me interviewer: Hmm 548: it hurts my sister but not me. interviewer: Mm-hmm Is that the same thing as poison oak? 548: Yeah poison oak or poison ivy is the same thing. interviewer: All the same thing I see. I meant to ask you when we were talking about the different kinds of berries that grow around here do you have any raspberries? 548: I hadn't saw any. interviewer: Is that what people would call 'em? 548: I reckon I have never saw any I don't know. interviewer: What's that? 548: Raspberry interviewer: Oh have you ever heard of any kind of plant called the rhododendron? Hadn't heard of that? 548: No interviewer: Okay I'm gonna ask you a few things that have to do with family say a woman whose husband had died 548: Yes interviewer: you say she's a? 548: Widow interviewer: Have you ever heard of any name for a woman whose husband hasn't died he just up and left? He's just taken off. 548: She's still a widow. interviewer: Really? I guess so {NW} yeah 548: I don't know whether that's {X} or not. interviewer: Have you ever heard people say a grass widow? 548: Grass widow yeah I heard of that. interviewer: You heard of that. Yeah I see I wonder why they call 'em grass widows. 548: {NW} I couldn't tell you. interviewer: Yeah what about uh a little boy that's uh is known by a name just within his family? 548: Uh huh interviewer: He say that they gave him a? Not a real name but they just call him something else. 548: Nickname interviewer: Yeah Did did you have one or any of your brothers and sisters? 548: Uh uh interviewer: Didn't have any like that? 548: Uh uh none of us did. They called us by our name and we better answer. interviewer: {NW} Right yeah. Have you ever seen these things that uh they have wheels on 'em and you can put a baby in 'em and take 'em around you know. 548: Baby buggy yeah. I didn't ever own one but I've seen lots of 'em. interviewer: You see people going around? 548: Uh huh baby buggy interviewer: If you had one what would you say you were going to do? Uh I believe I'll put the baby in the buggy and go out and? 548: Go out and ride the baby awhile. interviewer: Uh huh I see yeah. Let me ask you about this expression say uh a woman who's about to have a baby 548: Uh huh interviewer: you say she's? 548: She's pregnant. interviewer: Mm-hmm Can you remember a time when it wasn't polite to use that word? 548: Yes sir I I remember back yonder when it wasn't polite at all. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Now-a-days they'll say anything. interviewer: {NW} So what did people say back then? 548: She might've kept her mouth shut. interviewer: Oh {NW} just didn't say anything about it at all. 548: No not kid wasn't supposed to know nothing about that. Well maybe the maybe the husband or maybe one of your neighbors or but don't say nothing around no kids or around no men or nothing. No that was terrible. But not now-a-days. Somebody's going around I don't know. interviewer: Did you ever hear of people say she's in the family way? 548: Uh huh I heard that too. interviewer: Is that the way they'd say it? 548: Yeah interviewer: Like how? 548: She's in the family way. interviewer: I see. You know if you if somebody was having a baby and there wasn't a doctor around or was there ever anybody to help out? 548: Midwife. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That that's all I ever had. interviewer: Is that right? 548: Midwife interviewer: When you had your children? 548: I had several and all I had was a midwife. interviewer: Is this just a neighbor or somebody that lives close by? 548: No it was just a real uh midwife she waited on herself with two sets of twins. Herself and then they give a license. And uh interviewer: Oh you mean she delivered her own 548: Her own babies interviewer: {NW} 548: Two sets of twins. interviewer: I don't see how she managed that. 548: I don't know either. She just kind of {X} a hand of this and a hand of that. So she she tended to her own them babies herself. interviewer: Wow 548: And then she called her doctor. And he come in and give her a license. interviewer: Really? 548: To be a midwife. interviewer: Well did you pay those people something for helping out? 548: Very little at that time you know about ten or fifteen dollars something like that is all they'll charge. And that that's why I had to have midwife I didn't have money for to go to a doctor. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see. Did they do you are these midwives still around? 548: Yeah some of 'em here. But this one I know she's gone for now. But they sure do help out though. interviewer: Mm-hmm {X} if that's the one person you have. 548: Ain't that the truth. But but she called a woman in trouble you know and she couldn't have that baby she'd have to call the doctor. interviewer: Oh yeah 548: And the doctor had to come to her. interviewer: Yeah I see. Let me ask you about this expression say if a boy has the same color hair and eyes as his father 548: Uh huh interviewer: and maybe his nose is shaped about the same you say that that boy? 548: Favors his daddy. interviewer: Yeah alright. Would would you say the same thing maybe if the boy uh inherited his daddy's bad habits? 548: Yeah he's just like his daddy. interviewer: Just like his daddy yeah. {NW} Alright what about this um a child that's born to an unmarried woman. 548: Uh huh interviewer: What would that be? Have you ever heard him called anything in particular? 548: Well I I don't know whether they're lying or not but I've always heard 'em called a bastard. interviewer: Sure 548: That's what I all I've ever heard interviewer: Mm-hmm right have you ever heard anything besides that uh oh maybe like people call it an outside child or {X} 548: No I ain't hear them say nothing like that I hear them say say woman just you know that child the momma just got out and just picked 'em up you know. interviewer: Yeah 548: Or everything all kinds of things. interviewer: Mm-hmm What about 548: And it's not the child's fault to start with. It's his momma. interviewer: Mm-hmm that's true sure is. Somebody was telling me something about that one time I don't know I can't remember what she said. But it had to do with what you were talking about it wasn't the child's fault it was the parent's fault. 548: Yeah interviewer: I can't remember what she said. {X} Oh if I think of it I'll tell you. 548: They didn't they didn't ask to be brought in this world I imagine that's what she's thinking. interviewer: Yeah something like that. Okay what about this say if uh if you had a brother and he had a son that son would be your? 548: Mm interviewer: Like if you had a brother and he had a daughter that would be your niece. 548: Yeah interviewer: So the boy would be your? 548: Nephew interviewer: Sure what about the child you know both of his parents had died what would he be called? 548: Orphan interviewer: What about an adult that's appointed to look after him that would be his? 548: Guardian interviewer: Yes ma'am What and say talking about people like your uh uncles or cousins and people like that say if you had all those people in your house you'd say that the house was full of your? 548: Kin folk interviewer: Mm-hmm alright You got a lot of kin folk? Not too many? 548: I have two here I have two boys here in town you've seen whether they'll be here today or not. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Maybe they {X} interviewer: Did I ask you if you had any brothers or sisters? How many do you have? 548: I haven't got but two living. interviewer: Two living yeah. Where do they live now? 548: One of them lives over there on grove street {BEEP} and um {BEEP} that's my other she lives over here on the south {X} where I moved from. interviewer: Oh yeah 548: That's about all I got left two sisters. interviewer: Do y'all ever visit each other much or anything like that? 548: Not much interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: When that one when that came she works on a boat she's younger way younger than I am but she cooks on a boat and and drank she drank so much I just don't think she interviewer: Hmm 548: And Willy may down there she ain't uh well she's married again but she's got um sugar diabetes and high blood you know. Well she ain't able to visit and her husband can't seem to drive anyway. But she don't get to come see me. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But here I am I ain't got no way to go up there. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But we don't get to visit either. interviewer: Yeah I see. But what about this expression if I was telling you about somebody that I saw that looked a lot like you you might say well that maybe so but actually I no to her? 548: No kin to her. interviewer: Mm-hmm And what would you call somebody who comes into town that nobody's ever seen before you say he's a? 548: Stranger interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah sure. What about someone from another country who's come in? 548: Still a stranger I guess that's all I can think off. interviewer: Would you ever call 'em a foreigner or something like that? 548: I might. interviewer: Mm-hmm Mm-kay I want to ask you about some names for women say a woman's first name begins with a M? Say for example the mother of Jesus in the bible? 548: Mary interviewer: Uh huh Mm-kay do you remember what George Washington's wife was named? 548: No interviewer: Yeah Martha 548: Martha? interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I don't know uh I don't know much about the Bible I can't read it. interviewer: Okay what about what about a woman's name that begins with an N? 548: In the bible? interviewer: Well not necessarily just anybody. 548: Well for N Nancy. interviewer: Uh huh sure or {D:Neb}? 548: Yeah Nancy interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Or Nell interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah 548: Well there's lots of things that could go with that. interviewer: You know anybody named Nelly? 548: No interviewer: Or anybody with that name? 548: No interviewer: How would you say that? 548: Nelly interviewer: Mm-hmm that's right. What about a boy's name that begins with a B? 548: Bobby interviewer: Sure 548: Or what what is it they call a male goat? A what kind of goat? Billy interviewer: {NW} 548: A billy goat interviewer: Yeah Have you ever known anybody that raised goats? 548: No interviewer: I usually hear those things really smell terrible. 548: I bet they do but I don't know. interviewer: I knew somebody who kept 'em just to keep his grass cut. But uh 548: I wouldn't put up with that just to keep my grass cut. interviewer: Right okay What about a mans name that begins with an M? Like maybe Matt is the short for? 548: Matt? interviewer: Matt like you know in the Bible the four gospels were Mark Luke John and? 548: John? interviewer: Or Matthew? 548: Matthew yeah interviewer: Did you ever know anybody by the name of that? 548: No interviewer: Okay 548: I sure am. interviewer: What about a woman's name that begins with an S? 548: Suzie interviewer: Mm-hmm Suzie or uh 548: Sue um I guess that's all I can think of right quick. interviewer: Sarah? 548: Sarah that's right. interviewer: Okay hav- have you ever heard of uh well what would you call a woman who teachers school she would be a? 548: School teacher interviewer: Have you ever heard anyone call it a schoolmarm? 548: Mm-hmm I sure have. interviewer: Is that kind of an old fashioned name or you still hear it? 548: It must be old fashioned. interviewer: How do you say it? 548: Schoolmarm interviewer: Yes ma'am Don't hear it much anymore? 548: Sure don't. interviewer: Have you ever heard of uh say a preacher who really wasn't trained to be a preacher he does something else for a living and he's really not all that good at it have you ever heard him called anything in particular? 548: They try to make a living as a preacher? interviewer: Yes ma'am but not all that good at it and he does something else for a living too. 548: I don't believe I can tell you that. interviewer: Have you ever heard people say a jackleg preacher? 548: Yeah I've heard that. interviewer: {NW} How do they say that? What would they say? 548: They say he's a jackleg preacher. interviewer: What does that mean? 548: Well it means he just just don't know what he's doing. interviewer: Yeah yeah 548: And when I hear a preacher I know whether he's got {X} or not. interviewer: Have you ever heard a jackleg preacher? 548: Uh huh interviewer: {NW} Where down at your church? 548: No I hadn't heard one down there in yet interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: um I heard uh several um oh I can't think of it in in the valley they said that um they would rule the world some day. Catholics uh other words uh one of them Catholic boys said um said that he went with a bunch of boys to Jesus named church one night well I and says I went down there to give 'em told He says I was really gonna tell 'em something He says I went down there with um and said boy when I opened that door says I know God wasn't gonna tell on them. interviewer: Hmm 548: He said I had half what they got. He said I went right at that alter and got it. And now he's a preacher. interviewer: Hmm 548: He's a good too. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And so there's another {X} and that was uh another woman Catholic boys you know other boys you know just a bunch of boys. Some of us going to church and kept on and got these boys to go. And when they went they got to all go. interviewer: Hmm 548: And man you ought to hear 'em. What are you? interviewer: Me? 548: Yeah interviewer: Methodist I'm not Catholic {NW} 548: And uh you just ought hear 'em talk about you know uh what they do in that Catholic church. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And said that they wasn't allowed to do nothing just slip in there and just sit down and be quiet you know and not say nothing. And uh that little uh I reckon it's what they think about Jesus. Jesus ain't dead he's alive. But uh that little thing he says well nobody allowed to handle that or touch it no no. But the priest and then he put on those big old long robe you know and put them things over his hand and he can handle it you know. interviewer: Right 548: And he said the priest come in that day and ta- told him to go put on uh that what ever they call it that old long robe and things over his hands and come to hold his hat. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And he says I was privileged to hold his hat that day. interviewer: Yeah 548: And uh and he says I thought I was really something cause I got to hold his hat. And so he wound up down there and and taked off those shirts {X}. {NW} interviewer: It works in strange ways doesn't it? 548: Yes it do. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Sure do. But man it's awful. Anybody well it's it's alright they think they get by with it. That's up to them. interviewer: {X} {NW} What what relation would my mother's sister be to me that would be? 548: Your mother's sister? interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Be your aunt. interviewer: Okay and say if my father had a brother named William that would be my? 548: Your uncle interviewer: Yeah and if his name was William it'd be my? If I wanted to use his name I'd call him my? 548: Uncle William. interviewer: Sure and if I had one named John that would be my? 548: Uncle John interviewer: Do you remember uh what do people around here call the War between the North and the South that happened you know over a hundred years ago? 548: World War One interviewer: Well earlier than that. 548: Well really I don't know. interviewer: Well have you heard people call it the Civil War? 548: Oh yes I be hearing that too. interviewer: Is that the way they say it? 548: Yep Civil War. interviewer: I see 548: Yeah I've heard it uh but I just forgotten what it was. interviewer: Do you ever remember hearing about a man {NW} who fought in it named Robert E Lee? 548: Yep interviewer: Do you remember what they called him for his what he was in the army his rank? 548: No interviewer: Like uh General Lee or do you remember hearing that? 548: No but he was a general wasn't he? interviewer: Yes ma'am yeah and did you ever watch TV and see this advertisement that comes on for Kentucky Fried Chicken? 548: Yeah interviewer: Do you remember that man who the old man in the white suit with the beard? 548: Yeah interviewer: Remember his name? 548: Not {X} interviewer: Was it Sanders uh 548: Colonel Sanders interviewer: {NW} Well uh do you watch TV much? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: What do you like to watch mostly? 548: Well them old quiz shows like Let's Make a Deal and uh Price is Right you know. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And uh Family Feud things like that. interviewer: Do they come on in the morning or? 548: In the morning uh huh. They come on in the morning. But then uh them other shows day time I don't like. interviewer: Oh soap operas? 548: Uh huh I don't like them. But at night at night uh like uh the Wolf boy and um and that old oh what's it that old man that that plays with them animals. I can't think of his name. interviewer: Uh Wild Kingdom? 548: I like that too. Well any way any kind that's got wild animals on it I like that. interviewer: My brother got started watching those soap operas he would he would just come home from lunch you know and he'd seat down in front of the TV and after awhile he got hooked on 'em {NW}. He started following 'em and watching 'em regularly. 548: Oh interviewer: I kid him about it. 548: Yeah well by the well now he'll come just as natural as he you won't miss 'em. interviewer: {NW} My grandma was like that. She liked to watch her 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: her programs or soap operas. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: I don't think they're too interesting myself really. 548: No well what do you do anyway? interviewer: I'm a student. Going to school still in school. 548: Well this gonna help you out. interviewer: Sure is 548: I hope so interviewer: It will. What would you what would you call a man who's in charge of a ship you'd say he's the? 548: Captain interviewer: Mm-kay and what about a man who's in charge of the county court? You'd say he's the? 548: Judge interviewer: Mm-kay And a lady that works for a man she does his typing and filing and all that? 548: Book keeper interviewer: Mm-hmm or anything besides that? 548: Secretary interviewer: Mm-kay {NW} what about a a lady who appears in movies or on TV or on stage you'd say she's a? 548: Actor interviewer: Mm-kay or what about somebody like you and me who's born in the United States you'd say we are both? We're not Germans or Russians you'd say we're both? 548: You've got me again. interviewer: Amer- 548: Americans interviewer: Okay {NW} Okay I want to ask you about what you call some parts of the body. Like this part right here what do you call that? 548: Forehead interviewer: Mm-hmm okay and all of this this is my? 548: Hair interviewer: And if I let it grow out on my face I'm growing? 548: A goatee interviewer: Okay or if I let it all grow out? 548: Whisker interviewer: Sure or something else that begins with a B? 548: This is side burns. interviewer: Right okay 548: And this is whiskers. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And this is goatee. interviewer: Goatee or what about the whole lower part of your face? 548: I don't know what you'd call the whole thing? interviewer: {NW} Beard do you call it that? 548: Call the whole thing just beard huh? interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Okay interviewer: What about this right here that's my? 548: Ear interviewer: Which one that's my? 548: Right ear interviewer: Yeah and this is my? 548: Left interviewer: Okay and {NW} this right here? 548: Throat interviewer: Yeah what about this thing that moves up and down? That you can see on some people. 548: {X} Let me see it move Oh {X} interviewer: Hmm 548: What I always hear it called. interviewer: Do you ever hear it called the Adam's apple? The goozle 548: Yeah I heard oh yeah. interviewer: Which one? 548: Ad- uh Adam's apple. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what interviewer: Have you ever heard that word goozle? 548: Uh uh interviewer: Hadn't heard that 548: No {NW} you went all up in the books before I start interviewer: {NW} Okay what about this right here that's just one? 548: Teeth interviewer: And just one of that be a? 548: Tooth interviewer: Okay what about this part of your hand right here? 548: Palm interviewer: Uh huh and you make a? 548: Fist interviewer: And got two? 548: Two fists. interviewer: Okay when sometimes when people get older they complain that they're getting stiff in their? 548: Joints interviewer: Yeah do you have that problem? What do you call that disease uh? You get the that affects your joints? 548: Arthritis interviewer: Mm-hmm Have you ever heard that called anything else? 548: neuritis or I reckon I reckon that's about all. interviewer: Rheumatism? 548: Yeah well it's been it's called lots of things but it's all the same thing. interviewer: Mm-hmm Rheumatism is the same thing as? 548: Arthritis neuritis all are the same thing. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah Have you ever heard of a disease that made your skin turn yellow and your eyeballs turn yellow? 548: Yeah uh hepatitis interviewer: Called what now? 548: Hepatitis interviewer: Hmm 548: That's what they call it here. interviewer: Hmm 548: a ja- jaundice that's what it is. interviewer: But they called it? 548: hepatitis interviewer: hepatitis here 548: And it was yellow jaundice back in the early days. interviewer: Huh did you ever did you ever no anybody that got that? 548: Yes I've got a grandson over there that had it. And he had to stay in the hospital three weeks with it. interviewer: Hmm 548: He already had um I can't tell you what it is something eating his lungs up you know like a cancer but it's not cancer. It's just the doctor said he rather have a cancer. He said it would let you die But said this here won't do that linger on and linger on eating eating his lungs up you know. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Uh interviewer: Not leukemia? 548: Uh uh interviewer: {X} 548: Uh uh I often remember what it is but I can't I can't remember when I ought to. interviewer: Did you ever hear of a disease that children used to get they'd get these sores in their throat and their throat would close up? Wouldn't be able to breathe. 548: Diphtheria interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you did you know anybody that got that? 548: Yeah I knew way back yonder but not lately. interviewer: Mm-hmm they don't get that anymore. 548: Uh uh not as I know of. interviewer: Yeah say if if I had gotten a real bad pain right about here I might be having an attack of? 548: Appendicitis interviewer: Yeah do did you ever have that or anything like it? 548: I hadn't had no operations of no kind. Thank the Lord for that. interviewer: Yeah okay getting back to the parts of the body you call the upper part of the man's body that's his? 548: Chest interviewer: Yes ma'am okay. And this is my right? 548: Hand interviewer: Yeah uh what about that that's my right? 548: Foot interviewer: Mm-kay do you ever call this part of your leg near right here anything? 548: Shin interviewer: Yeah did you ever bump that into anything? 548: Oh my goodness did that hurt. interviewer: {NW} Yeah it sure does. It really stings. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah what about this part of your leg right here you ever heard that? 548: Calf of the leg. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah what about say if a little boy wanted to try to scare me if he was gonna hide behind the couch you'd say he had to do what so I couldn't see him? 548: Hide where you can't see 'em. interviewer: Right sorta so he had to do what? He couldn't stand up he'd have to? 548: He'd have to hide where you can't see him. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And then he would scare you. interviewer: In other words he had to squat? 548: Yeah interviewer: Is that what you would say? 548: Yeah interviewer: Do what? 548: He'll have to squat where you can't see him. interviewer: He'd have to squat down on his? 548: Knees where you can't see him. interviewer: Ever heard of that part of your leg called your haunches? 548: {NW} interviewer: Or your hunkers? 548: No {NW} interviewer: Hadn't heard that? 548: No interviewer: You haven't heard somebody say instead of squat down he had to hunker down? 548: {NW} I believe I hear that a time or two somewhere I don't know where. interviewer: Which one? 548: Hunker down interviewer: Hunker down? 548: Uh huh interviewer: Yeah sounds kind of funny doesn't it? 548: Yes it does {NW} interviewer: Okay yeah. What about this expression you have a friend of yours that had been sick for awhile you might say well oh so and so's up and around now but he still looks a little bit? 548: Bad interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Or a little bit sick. interviewer: Yes ma'am. Do you ever hear people around here use the word peaked? 548: Uh huh interviewer: Looks a little bit peaked? 548: Yeah interviewer: What about puny? 548: Well that that's okay too. interviewer: Is that the same thing? 548: Yeah it's all the same thing. interviewer: Okay you were telling me awhile ago about these coal oil lamps coal oiled lamps. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Say that electric lamp burned out the thing that you'd have to replace that would be the? 548: Bulb interviewer: Mm-hmm that's right. Mm-kay and when you lived over at your other house did you have a place out back where you'd hang up clothes? 548: Uh huh interviewer: What would you take the wet clothes out back in? 548: Dish pan interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: my little dish pan back there interviewer: Mm-hmm is there anything else you'd seen people use for that? 548: Yeah clothes basket interviewer: Clothes basket 548: I didn't have one interviewer: Oh so you used a dish pan. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah were those clothes baskets made out of wicker or something like that? 548: Plastic interviewer: Plastic oh yeah 548: Beat their easy tore up interviewer: Hmm 548: made out of plastic. interviewer: Mm-hmm do you ever see those wicker one's anymore? 548: Uh huh now-days now nothing but plastic. interviewer: I see yeah what about uh if you were had a a bottle with some liquid in it that something you could put in the mouth of the bottle to keep it from spilling out? 548: A stopper interviewer: Sure or what could that be made out of? 548: Well you could use a piece of paper or uh stopper a regular stopper that'd fit it. But you as I said you could just wad a piece of paper up and stick it in there. interviewer: What about a cork? 548: Corks good too if you can get one to fit it. interviewer: {NW} Did you ever see anybody play one of these things that you blew on it and moved it back and forth like that? There's a musical instrument kinda long and you blew on it and it moved it back and fourth across your mouth? 548: Well I think so. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: A juice harp? interviewer: Could be yeah Mm-hmm is that like is that like a harp or French harp or harmonica have you ever heard of that? 548: Yeah I heard of them too. interviewer: Which one? 548: Uh um harmonica oh I know I know what that is and it it's a long one you know. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And and uh a fr- so uh uh that Jew's harp you put in your mouth and kick it around interviewer: It's got a twiny noise? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah you ever try to play one of those? 548: Uh uh I ain't tried to do nothing much. interviewer: {NW} Me either yeah. What do you call this thing that you beat nails with that's a? 548: Hammer interviewer: Mm-hmm okay now I wanna you a a few things about a wagon. #1 Did y'all have a wagon when you were growing up? # 548: #2 Uh huh # interviewer: #1 # 548: #2 # interviewer: Yeah what did you call the long wooden thing that went between the horses? 548: Tongue interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah 548: A wagon tongue. interviewer: Yes ma'am and those the thing that the traces came back and hooked on to? 548: Single tree interviewer: Yes ma'am right. Did what if you had like two horses and each one had a singletree. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: They'd both be hooked on to a? 548: I know what that thing is that goes there but I don't remember. I don't believe I'm gonna think of that. interviewer: Would it be a doubletree? 548: Yes that's what it is. interviewer: That's what you called it? 548: Double tree interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: that's right. interviewer: Yeah what about on a buggy? Those things that you'd have to back the horse between? 548: Shafts interviewer: Yes ma'am did y'all have a buggy? 548: Uh uh uh uh interviewer: Did many people back then have 'em? 548: Uh uh interviewer: They'd have to 548: Not even back yonder when I was little uh uh. Very few people even had buggies let alone anything else. interviewer: Yes ma'am I see. What about the the outside edge of a wagon wheel you'd call that the? 548: The rim interviewer: Yes ma'am I see. And you were telling me uh this morning about a middle buster you said it was a kind of plow. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Was there something else that you could use after you use the plow to break up the ground real fine? 548: Yeah you'd use um but after you'd roll it up with that middle buster you yes you can you can still use top part interviewer: Mm-hmm that'd break it up even finer? 548: Uh huh that'll level the roads off you know and then you can go behind it with a plow. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see Mm-kay what about that thing that the wheels of the wagon fit onto you call that the? 548: Axle interviewer: Yes ma'am Mm-kay have you ever seen these things that uh well carpenters use them a lot these wooden frames that uh well you could take two of 'em and lay some boards across 'em and make yourself a temporary table? 548: Horses? interviewer: Sure right yeah. Have you ever seen another kind of frame that's kinda shaped like an X? You could put a log right in the middle of it and brace it and saw it off? 548: Yeah I've seen 'em but I I can't think right now what you'd call 'em. interviewer: Mm-hmm What about a saw buck or wood rack or something like that? 548: Wood rack I reckon. That's what you'd have to call it. interviewer: Okay and what about something that you would use on your hair you might use either a comb or a? 548: Brush interviewer: Yeah and you say you were going to uh? 548: Brush my hair. interviewer: Mm-kay did you ever see these things you know when barbers used to use straight razors? They had these long leather things they sharpen 'em off. 548: Mm-hmm razor straight. interviewer: Yes ma'am I've heard to tell people say that they their parents kinda gave them a few licks of those things when they misbehaved. You ever heard of that? 548: Yep I didn't ever get that though I got worse than that. interviewer: Hmm what's worse than that? 548: Horse whip or buggy switch. interviewer: Hmm 548: Either one of 'em is worse. interviewer: That sounds 548: My step daddy didn't want me to {X} interviewer: That does sound pretty rough. 548: I'll tell you what I'm getting sleepy. interviewer: Okay let me just ask you one or two more questions and then we'll stop for right now if you want to take a break. 548: Okay interviewer: Okay what about the these things that you could fire in a pistol or a riffle? 548: Cartridges interviewer: Yes ma'am Have you ever shot a gun? 548: I think I shot a gun one time in my life. interviewer: Just once? 548: And my husband's trying to make me learn how to shoot it interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and I never would shot it no more. interviewer: Yeah they can be dangerous those things. 548: Yeah they are interviewer: What were you telling about making bread? 548: Uh well um when you making cornbread it uh back in the old days or now even you had you had if you hadn't got a little oil or something to put in your bread just put a little mayonnaise in and that sure do make good bread. interviewer: Hmm I never heard of doing that before. 548: Oh well it's it's good sometime you try it it's good. interviewer: Who told you how to do that? 548: Mrs. Grimes interviewer: Is that one of your neighbors? 548: Uh huh interviewer: Okay {NW} well let's see did y'all ever have a coal burning stove? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: What did you did you have any kind of container you kept next to the stove with coal in it? 548: Yeah we had a a tin pan on a a oh a can of things we kept coal in it. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And smut {NW}. interviewer: Have you ever heard of anything called a coal scuttle? 548: Yeah interviewer: What? 548: Yeah it burns coal in it. interviewer: To burning? 548: Yeah you burn coal in the stove. interviewer: Oh yeah I was talking about if you ever heard of anything called a coal scuttle something to keep coal in. 548: Uh uh interviewer: Hadn't heard of that? 548: Uh uh no we just put coal in what we could find. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see. What did you call the pipe that ran out the back of the stove? 548: Goes out through the wall? Elbow interviewer: Mm-hmm is that the pipe that goes out back the stove? 548: That elbow that carries that pipe outside back of the house you know. Somewhere it goes up through here. interviewer: Hmm 548: {X} interviewer: I see 548: It's the elbow. interviewer: Yeah is the stove pipe the same thing as the flue? 548: Uh uh uh interviewer: What's the difference? 548: A flue is brick you know it's built on top of the house. It's something like a chimney but it's just got two little openings one on each side. It ain't all the way open like a chimney at the top. And that's a flue up there. interviewer: Yeah that other things is a 548: uh huh interviewer: just call that a stove pipe? 548: Yeah yeah that's a stove pipe goes from the stove up to that and that's a stove flue on top of the house. interviewer: I see what do you call this thing that you can use for yard work it's got two long handles and a wheel there on front? 548: Wheelbarrow interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah and what about something that you could use to sharpen a knife on? Interviewer: {NS} Some kind of rock or stone you could sharpen a knife on? {NS} 548: Wet rock. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Yeah. Have you ever seen a bigger one? {NS} That turned around and you could sharpen an ax on? 548: Mm-hmm. {NS} I sure have. {NS} Grind rock. Interviewer: Grind rock. Yeah. Did y'all have one of those? {NS} 548: Nuh-uh Interviewer: Just seen one of those? 548: Just seen 'em. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} And uh {NS} That thing that I just drove up in you call that a? 548: A car. {NS} Interviewer: Anything besides that? {NS} 548: Automobile. {NS} Interviewer: Okay. {NS} And uh. {NS} Say that uh {NS} if you were going to cook something {NS} you were gonna maybe make a {NS} pie or something like that. {NS} What would you say you did to the pan so it would not stick to it? {NS} 548: Greased the pan. {NS} Interviewer: What do you use? {NS} 548: I I use an oil. {NS} Or butter. {NS} But I like to sprinkle my meat in that pan and then let it brown you know before I put my bread in there. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. That's good. Did y'all ever make a a temporary lamp or a makeshift lamp? Just take a bottle and some coal oil and something for a wick? 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: For a light? {NS} 548: Did that one time I remember. {NS} Interviewer: So did you have a storm or something or? 548: Nah we thought we was going fishing but we didn't go. {NS} And that's what we fixed it for. But a I I I can take a button and a piece of cloth and make a light just as good. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: but you put tie that button in that piece of cloth and put it down in a glass. {NS} And or a jar or something and pour grease in that glass {NS} up up to the top Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: and just set that set that rag a fire. {NS} And that will burn and burn and burn. Just pure grease. {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever call that thing that bottle with a coil in it anything like a torch or? Flame or something like #1 that? # 548: #2 Yep # It would be a torch. Uh-huh. {NS} Interviewer: What would you say toothpaste comes in? It comes in a? 548: Tube. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. Uh say if a man just had bought himself a new boat. And he was going to take it down to the water and try it out. {NS} When he's putting the boat in the water you say he thought he did what? He's going? 548: Try out his boat. {NS} Interviewer: Yeah. Could you say anything else there or like uh he's going to try it out or he's gonna? 548: Take a ride. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. Ever hear people say they are going to launch their boat? {NS} 548: Mm-hmm. I hear that too. Interviewer: How would they say that? {NS} 548: They say uh {NS} So-and-so is going to launch their boat. {NS} Interviewer: What kind of boats would people use to fish in? {NS} 548: Well it's mostly just {NS} just little old ones. {NS} Uh. {NS} Flat boats like with a motor on it. {NS That's the kind they use to fish in. Interviewer: {NS} Do people ever use row boats? {NS} 548: Uh-huh. I don't know when I ever see a row boat. {NS} One that you paddle? Interviewer: Mm-hmm {see any of} those around here? {NS} Ever heard of thing called a Jon boat? 548: No. Interviewer: {X} Okay. Uh when you are working in the kitchen what might you wear around your waist? 548: Apron. Interviewer: Okay. And uh this thing I am here writing with you call that an ink? 548: Ink pen. Interviewer: Okay. And uh you would say that a dime is worth how much? 548: Ten cents. Interviewer: Okay. What would you say uh when talking about clothes. What would a man's three pieced suit consist of? 548: Well shirt and coat and pants. Interviewer: What about something that he might wear between his #1 shirt # 548: #2 His vest! # Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. You ever heard a man call his pants anything else? 548: Trousers. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. What about britches? 548: Well I'll be too {NW} Interviewer: Would you say it like that? 548: Yeah. Britches. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. What about these things that farmers use to work in that had the straps that came over {and had a }? 548: Gases Interviewer: Yeah #1 well # 548: #2 suspenders # Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah I know what you're talking about. {D: go ahead} and have something to cover it you know? The the things had straps on and a build to 'em. And he wore the whole thing to cover his clothes. Over 548: Ov- Overalls. Interviewer: Right right. Your daddy wear those? 548: My husband Interviewer: #1 did. # Interviewer: #2 Husband # still do? Yeah a pretty handy thing. 548: Yeah they sort of cooler than anything else. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. Say a guy was trying on a coat. I might say well uh this coat won't fit this year but last year it? 548: It did. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. It fit this year but last year it? 548: Last year it fit. But not this year. Interviewer: Okay. And say if I needed some more clothes to go to church in on Sunday. Uh my clothes that I had are getting old I'd say I need to go to town to buy a? 548: A suit. Interviewer: Not an old one but a? 548: A new suit. Interviewer: Okay. And sometimes you see little boys they pick things up and put them in their pocket 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: their pockets begin to? 548: bulge out. Interviewer: Yeah. Right. Right. Okay. What would you say would happen to a shirt if you put it in water that was too hot for it? It would do what? 548: It'd draw up. Interviewer: {NW} Did you ever do that? 548: I sure did. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: It wasn't a shirt though. It was a a one of my dresses. Interviewer: Mm. 548: The kind of material it was and it was hot water. Woo boy it drawed up. Interviewer: Did it draw much? 548: I couldn't I couldn't use it no more. Interviewer: {X} What if you if a young girl was getting ready to go out somewhere on a date. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: And if she was spending a lot of time in front of the mirror.You know. What would you say she was doing? 548: Primping. Interviewer: Yeah. {NW} Wha- what would you call a boy who's getting ready to go out and he was spending a lot of time in front of a mirror too. What would you say he was doing? 548: Fixing his hair. Interviewer: Fixing his hair. Yeah. Would you say the boy is primping? 548: Well I don't know whether to say a boy primps or not. Interviewer: Yeah. 548: But they do like to look in the glass when they're getting ready to go. Interviewer: Right. {NW} Sure do. Okay. What do you call this thing that some women like to wear on their wrists? 548: Wristwatch. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or something else? 548: Bracelet. Interviewer: Okay. And something they might wear around their neck? 548: Necklace. Interviewer: Mm-hmm or? 548: Locket. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay or some kind of beads maybe? 548: Yeah could be beads. Interviewer: {NW} Would you just call 'em that? Beads or? String of beads or something like that? 548: Yeah. Yeah uh a big part of 'em is wearing beads. Yeah. Interviewer: Alright. Okay. And wha- wha- what would you call something that you would take out if it was raining, cover your head? 548: Parasol. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Hear that called anything else? 548: Umbrella. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Is there any difference? 548: Nuh-uh. Interviewer: Same thing? 548: Same thing. Interviewer: Okay. When you make up your bed what's the last thing that goes on it? 548: Bedspread. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And what about something heavier than that? 548: After I make it up? Interviewer: Well maybe in the winter time people used to get together and patch #1 these? # 548: #2 quilt. # Cover. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And #1 did you ever # 548: #2 is that # Interviewer: did you ever make one of these things were you put different squares and material and? 548: Quilt. Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah. You got one of those? {NW} 548: {NW} Interviewer: Do you still hear about people making those things? 548: Oh yeah. This woman down there in the front makes 'em. She's got about eight or nine made already. Interviewer: Hmm. Yeah that's nice. What about the thing you rest your head on in bed? 548: Pillow. Interviewer: Yeah. Have you ever heard of something that was a longer than a pillow? Maybe about twice as long and people would put it on their bed maybe for looks? 548: I've seen it but I. I really forgot what it was. Interviewer: Have you ever heard it called a bolster? 548: Bolster? Interviewer: Yeah. 548: {X} Interviewer: Did you ever use one? #1 Was it just # 548: #2 I don't I # I don't think I've ever owned one. Nuh-uh. Mm-hmm. But I've used it. Interviewer: Yeah that's it. Was it just for looks or can you sleep on it? 548: You can sleep on it but it's mostly for looks. You know it goes all the way across the bed. Interviewer: Yeah. I see. Okay. What about this expression. Say if a farmer might say that Well I expected to get a big crop this year because the soil is very? 548: Rich. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Or something else he might say besides rich? It's very a? Oh fertile? 548: Fertile? Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Meaning is good soil 548: Good soil uh-huh. Interviewer: Okay. What about uh low lying land. Maybe across a stream around here. What would that be called? Might have had water on it at one time but plowed up later on and things planted on it? 548: I reckon you call it a slew. Interviewer: A slew? 548: A slew you know used to be water there ain't none there now. Interviewer: Is that the same thing as bottom land? 548: Mm-hmm. I think it is. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of that? Bottom land. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Is that the way people would say it? 548: Yeah. Bottom land uh-huh. Interviewer: Okay but what about a place that's got water on it all the time? Got trees growing in it and bushes growing in it? 548: {NS} Well I think that'd be a lake. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. You ever hear people around here say swamp? 548: Yeah. Well yeah it could be a swamp. Either yeah. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. {NW} What about the marsh? What would that be? Do you ever hear that used? 548: Yeah but I seem many like that so a bayou of a thing or place stays mighty muddy and nasty. Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah. I see. 548: Y- Interviewer: So like about 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I see. Okay. Have you ever heard of any kind of soil called buckshot? 548: Oh yeah. Interviewer: What is that? 548: I don't know. Some kind of black land that gets so hard that you know? Your stuff don't grow good on it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And they call it? 548: Buckshot. Interviewer: Yeah uh. What about gumbo? 548: Well tha- that's still hard. And you know hard to do anything with. Interviewer: Mm. 548: But nowadays they got something you know they put in like dirt and it comes on out. You know Interviewer: Mm-hmm. So that's not so good for growing things on? 548: Uh-huh. It- it's pretty good now but used to you couldn't. Interviewer: And you call that? 548: Uh Interviewer: Buckshot or 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Some 548: Well buckshot buckshot or gumbo-dirty. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. I see. Okay. Say if you are going to drain some water off a piece of land. What would you have to do to take the water off? 548: If you wanted to drain it off? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: You would have to dig a ditch. Interviewer: Oh yeah dig a ditch 548: Mm-hmm. Alright. What what would people around here call the little bit of freshwater flowing along? {NS} {NS} Well sounds like a spring. But it wouldn't be around here. Interviewer: Hmm. 548: {NW} It would have to be a ditch or just just some clear water flowing along? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: {NS} I don't know. Interviewer: What about a creek? 548: Yeah. Yeah it could be a creek. Yeah I hadn't thought of that. Interviewer: Do creeks around here have names? Uh Nah. No ma'am. 548: Nah. Uh Interviewer: Okay. What would uh you call a place that's been uh eaten out by water? So that along so it's about ten feet deep and ten feet across? Place in the land? 548: I don't know a gorge. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Gorge or ever hear people say around here gully? 548: Gully. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: Yeah I've heard lots of people say gully. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And it would be something like that? 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Just a washed out place with water? 548: Mm-hmm. Yeah Interviewer: Okay. Ever heard people around here use the word ravine? 548: Yeah I've heard that too. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Would that Would that be about the same thing? 548: Well really I don't know. Interviewer: Mm. But you've just heard the word? 548: Yes. I just heard it but I think it's the same thing. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Alright. And what about something that's a great big old thing not a hill. Much much bigger than a hill. You call that a regular? They're around they're around here really. 548: Much bigger than a hill? I don't know what it would be. Interviewer: Mountain. {NW} 548: Yeah. {NS} A mountain that's right. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever been to a mountain? Been in the mountains before? 548: I believe I did go through there one time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: Going to Harrison Arkansas to my niece's house. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah you probably did. 548: There's one big one up in there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Do you happen to remember what you call that rocky side of a mountain that drops off real sharp? Have you heard people call it a cliff? 548: Yeah. What you see I I I don't know much about the mountain part. Interviewer: It's okay. Just wanted to ask you anyway. 548: Mm-hmm. Well Interviewer: Could you say it for me since you've heard it? 548: A cliff? Interviewer: Yes ma'am. 548: Well that that's what it is. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Have you ever seen a place in the mountains where water falls a long distance you might have seen it on TV. 548: Mm-hmm. Waterfalls. Interviewer: Alright. Those can be pretty can't they? 548: I saw one between here and Arkansas. That was pretty. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. They sure are. And what about a place maybe along the river where boats would stop and unload their trade What would you call that? 548: The landing I guess. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. With a dock would you think so? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. What about uh most of the roads around here. Are they pretty good the surface? 548: Well nah. Some of them is some of them ain't. Some of is 'em real bad. Interviewer: What what are most of them made of? 548: Well some of 'em have haven't even got no uh concrete on 'em yet. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Uh. You know going way out of town. And each {D:slipping} road to go down they're bad. Mm-hmm. You got any uh gravel roads around here? {NS} 548: Mm-hmm. Yeah I believe they they got one way down there. Way out from uh Between here and Le- Leland you know out on back in there Somewhere. But I know I've seen one back in there somewhere. Yeah lately. Interviewer: What's that? 548: Gravel roads. Interviewer: Okay. If you were driving along out in the country and you came to a little road that went off the main road 548: Yeah. Interviewer: What would you call that little road? 548: Side road. Interviewer: Side road. Okay. And what about a a road that goes off the street going up to a man's house? 548: I I'd still say a side Interviewer: #1 side road # 548: #2 road. # Interviewer: Okay. What about a driveway? 548: Well. Interviewer: Or something like that? 548: Yeah that'll be that'd really be what it was. Driveway. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And if you are on a farm sometimes when the cows come in from the pasture They walk along the same way. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And they'll beat down a place. What what would you call that? 548: Pave. Interviewer: Pave. Okay. And a a I didn't notice any around here but sometimes around residential areas and towns there will be a place where you can walk alongside the street. 548: Sidewalk. Interviewer: Yeah. Is there ever a a strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street? {NW} Around here. 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Is that called anything? 548: I don't know. But it just belongs to the city. That's all I know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: That part from the sidewalk that place of grass that that belongs to the city. Interviewer: They don't cut it or anything do they? 548: Yeah they're supposed to keep it cut. Interviewer: Oh really? 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I see. 548: From the sidewalk to the road. Interviewer: Yeah. I was just wondering if you've ever heard people call that a banquette or a tree lawn or anything like that Okay. 548: Mm-mm Interviewer: Alright. Say this expression. Somebody's not going away from you he's coming straight? 548: To you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or straight toward? 548: Towards you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Alright and if I was telling you about somebody that I met in town. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I might say well I wasn't looking for old so-and-so I just sorta ran? 548: Run into 'em. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 548: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Alright. Do that a lot? 548: I do. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. 548: Sure do. Interviewer: Say if a if a child was given the same name that her mother has you'd say they named the child? 548: After its mother. Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever have any pets? Keep any pets? {NS} {X} Which one were you talking about? 548: The woman that we rent from. Interviewer: Oh I see. Yeah. Thought it might have an effect on your rent? 548: Mm. I thought we had to go and uh you know and let her know. We got a raise cuz more than likely they'll raise our rent. Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah. But you don't have to? 548: Mm-mm. Well she said they couldn't raise it nohow in a year. Not on me. Interviewer: Yeah 548: You know sixty plus. Nuh-uh. Interviewer: Well that's good. 548: We signed up for a year and we th- they can't do nothing about it. Interviewer: That's good. Okay. I was asking you did you ever have any pets? 548: Yeah. Well I remember we had some old white rats. Interviewer: {NW} 548: Oh man them things. We about never got shed of them things. {NW} And and they just kept well finally we got them away from the house. And uh there was some a {D:brace} pile something pile at the barn And and they went a denned it up in there and I'm telling you they kept uh having rats {NS} and you've never seen such a bunch of rats in your life. {NW} And Interviewer: When was the last time you had white rats? 548: No. I didn't want no more. {NW} But we I always had dogs. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: Well plenty of cats out in the yard but I don't want no cats in the house. Interviewer: Mm. Did you ever a hear of a dog that wasn't a pure breed but he was just a lot of different types all mixed up? 548: Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know what you'd call 'em Interviewer: Do you ever hear it called a mongrel dog? Or cur dog or? Something like that. 548: Oh yeah I hear all kinds of dogs but. Just a mixed up breed I don't know what you'd call it. Interviewer: I see. What would people say to their dog if they wanted it to get after another dog? 548: It's get it. Interviewer: Yeah {NW} Uh okay. And if he is a bad dog you might tell somebody well you better watch out for that dog cuz yesterday? 548: He bit somebody. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And he's a lot of people? 548: He he might bit you. Interviewer: Alright. Okay. Have you ever gotten? 548: I ain't gotten bit {D: by a dog}. Uh-uh. I watch them things. Interviewer: {NW} Keep your distance. Yeah. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about in a heard of cattle some call the male? 548: A bull. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Can you ever can you remember a time when it wasn't polite to use that word? 548: That's right Sure do. Interviewer: What did people say? When they didn't say bull? 548: I really don't remember what they said. And I I just don't remember but they sure didn't say that. Interviewer: Yeah. Maybe male animal or 548: They might say male. Interviewer: Yeah they wouldn't say bull? 548: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Okay. Say if you have a cow and she was expecting a calf? 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You'd say my cow is going to? 548: Going to have a calf. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Ever heard people say she is uh gone fresh or come fresh? 548: Yeah. Gonna come in fresh. Interviewer: Come in fresh. Means she's a? 548: With calf yeah. Interviewer: I see. Okay. And what about talking about horses. What would you call a male horse? 548: A jack. Interviewer: I think that's a mule. {NW} 548: Well you got me now. I {D:know} Interviewer: So you ever heard it called a stallion or st- 548: Stallion yeah. I heard that. Interviewer: Okay. And what about the female? 548: She's mare. Interviewer: Mare. Yeah. Okay. What have you ever gotten on a horse and? 548: No. Nuh-uh. I never did try to ride a horse cuz I was scared I would fall. Interviewer: Hmm. If you were telling you did do it though so if you were telling somebody about it you would say yesterday I? 548: I rode the horse yesterday. Interviewer: Okay. And if you couldn't stay on you'd say uh I fell? 548: Fell off the horse yesterday. {NW} Interviewer: Alright What do you call those things that you put at the bottom of their feet to protect 'em? 548: Shoe. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Did you ever play a game with those things? 548: Mm-mm. I saw people that did but I didn't Interviewer: What did they call that? 548: Horseshoes. Interviewer: Yeah. Just horseshoes? 548: Uh-huh. I see. Wha- what do you call the part of the horse's foot that those things go on? Hoof. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you say a horse has four? 548: Four feet. Interviewer: Or four? 548: Legs. Interviewer: Yeah when you are talking about a hoof. 548: Four shoes. Interviewer: Have you got one hoof but four? Where you said it you called it 548: He's got four hoofs. Interviewer: Yeah right. 548: Four shoes. Interviewer: Alright. Are all those shoes the same size? 548: Mm. {NS} They fit all their feet you #1 know? # Interviewer: #2 Yeah I # 548: They make um to fit. Interviewer: Yeah I was wondering about that. Were they all the same size. Do people around here raise sheep? 548: Oh well I see a few of 'em way out in the country. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. But not too much anymore though? 548: Not too much. No. Interviewer: Do you remember what uh people raised sheep for around here? 548: For their wool? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about their meat? Do they ever eat 'em? 548: I don't know. What they do with that cuz I wouldn't eat it. Interviewer: Why not? 548: {X} I don't believe in no uh-uh I don't want it. Interviewer: Say what? 548: {NW} They tell me you just gonna lay 'em down there and just lay there and let you cut the head off. Interviewer: Oh. 548: They won't move or nothing. Interviewer: Hmm. 548: And if they are I don't want none of their meat. Interviewer: Mm. I didn't know that. That's interesting. Do you remember what the male sheep is called? 548: I never did know. Interviewer: Mm. You ever heard of a ram or buck? 548: Ram. Interviewer: Yeah What about anything else? 548: Mm-mm. Interviewer: You ever heard it called a {D:hue} or {yue} or something like that? 548: Not really hear that. Interviewer: Anywhere? 548: I just hear sheep. Interviewer: Just sheep. Okay. {NW} Alright. {NW} Yeah and we were talking about hogs yesterday. 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You know these things that you pour the hog's feed in? 548: Trough. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And if you had three or four of those say you had three or four. 548: Hog troughs. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Did y'all have those on your place? 548: We sure did. Interviewer: Would they hold a lot of feed? 548: Mm yeah. Interviewer: Pretty good bit. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. I see. Hogs will eat a lot of feed, won't they? 548: Oh boy. They they never knew when they get enough feed. Interviewer: {NW} Okay. What would you say if a if a cat was hungry? And it was making a noise? You'd say listen to that cat? 548: A bell Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. What about a cow? That's hungry. You'd say listen to that cow? 548: Mooing Interviewer: Moo? Yeah. Right. What about a horse, you'd say? 548: {Neighing Interviewer: That horse neighs yeah okay. Uh say uh If you have a lot of animals like horses and mules and cows and so on you'd say you got a lot of? 548: I got a lot a I got a lot of animals I reckon the way I'd say it. Interviewer: Okay. Or maybe a livestock or something like that? 548: Well that'd be the best. Got a lot of a lot of livestock. Yeah. Interviewer: That'd cover the whole thing? 548: That'd cover the whole thing. Yeah. Interviewer: What about animals feathered out like chickens and ducks and geese. You'd say you got a lot of? 548: A lot of chickens and geese I guess. Interviewer: Ever hear people call it a fowl? A lot of fowl. 548: Yeah they are fowls yeah. {NW} Well anyway I have a lot of fowls. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Right. Okay. # Where where do chickens stay on a farm? 548: Well they just stay out there scratching in the dirt or Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: and then they at night they come in and a go in a little house and there are some roost polls you know they get up on there. at night and sleep and get down in the morning {D:to walk} Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a coop or chicken coop? 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What's that {D:like}? 548: That's what that's a little chicken coop. You talking about you put your {D:babies} in. Interviewer: Oh. 548: Young chickens. Well you can put big ones in there but mostly for young ones. You take 'em off the nest when hatch put that old hen and the little ones in that coop. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: And keep now your little ones gets old enough to keep up with the mama. Interviewer: I see. Okay. You know when you're frying chicken there is usually a piece that the kids like to get so one can grab one end and one grabs the other way 548: #1 Pulling bone. # Interviewer: #2 Right # {NW} Why do we like to do that? 548: I don't know. I alway heard you make a wish. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: And uh so uh hold it like you I take one end and pull the bone and you the other and pull it pull it and break it. And the one that gets the shortest end will get married first. Interviewer: Oh {X} 548: #1 That's what I heard. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Okay. Yeah. What about the inside parts of the hog that you can eat? What would you call that? 548: Liver and likes. Interviewer: Liver and likes. Yeah. Yeah. Ever heard of people using the word hassle it or {D:hassle} it or something like that? Hassle it? 548: And and uh chitlins Interviewer: Mm. 548: That kind of hog Interviewer: Mm-hmm. You ever eaten any of those? 548: Mmm uh-uh. Interviewer: Don't like that huh? 548: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Why not? You ever heard, you hear people that like it? 548: Yeah. I know several at least. My sister over there man she loves it. And uh Bobby one of my son's step- stepsons Interviewer: Yes ma'am. 548: They just gather up and buy a lot of them things and cook 'em and eat it. They invite me over sometimes but uh-uh. Interviewer: Well. I heard those things don't smell too good when they cook it 548: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Pretty bad huh? 548: Just a scent gives me a no. {NW} Interviewer: Is it talking about smelling bad is there a paper mill around here? I smell something and it smells kind of like a paper mill. Early this morning I didn't know what it was. 548: Well it ain't no paper mill. You know right around here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. I can't figure out what it was. Well say if you are on a farm and hear your cows mooing and horses carrying on they probably getting hungry. You might say well my goodness I didn't know it was so late. It its getting right on to? 548: Dinner time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And if your animals are hungry it's getting right on to? 548: Supper time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or you got to take care of the animals you say its just about? 548: Lunch time. Interviewer: Alright. Or feeding time for the animals? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Is that what you would call it? 548: Yeah that's right. Interviewer: You would say what it's? 548: I- I said well it's getting feeding time for the animals. They are getting hungry. Interviewer: About what time of day was that? 548: Well that that would be over in the evening or? Or early in the morning. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 548: At least they look for two meals a day. Interviewer: Alright. Alright that's it. Okay. Say if I wanted to get my horses ready to go somewhere if I had a buggy. What would you say I had to do to get my horses you know? 548: Put the gear on the harness on it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Yeah. 548: Harness on the horses. Interviewer: {X} If you're plowing with mules. 548: Yep. Interviewer: what do you call that thing that you hold in your hand to guide it with? 548: Pl- the plow or the line? Interviewer: Yeah right the line. I see. And what if you ride the horse. Those things you hold in your hand. 548: Bridle reins Interviewer: Oh reins. I see. And those things you put your feet in? 548: Stirrups. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Say if you got two horses hitched to a wagon. You ever heard the horse on the right called anything in particular? 548: What when you say yee-haw one? #1 Is that what # Interviewer: #2 No. # 548: you're talking about? Interviewer: I meant you know something like you ever heard it called the lead horse? 548: Yeah I've heard that. Interviewer: Which one is that? 548: The one on the right. Interviewer: The one on the right? And he's called the? 548: The lead horse. Interviewer: Okay. Say uh if I accidentally fall down in the yard and I fall that way say I fell? 548: Backwards. Interviewer: Right. If I fall that way? 548: Forwards. Interviewer: Okay. Yeah. Alright. And talking about plowing what would you call those things that are cut out by the plow? Those are the? You know those trenches that are cut out? 548: Oh. {X} Interviewer: Alright. Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Say if a man has been growing some hay and he's cut it off for the first time and then it comes back up again the second time. Is that called anything? 548: I don't know that now. Interviewer: Mm. Like second cutting or second growth or? 548: Second cutting it'll have to be second growth. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Have you ever heard the like uh something that comes up easily even though you didn't plant it? Ever heard that called anything in particular? 548: Nothing but weeds or grass or Interviewer: I was thinking about like if you got a stalk of corn coming up in your uh bean field or something like that 548: Oh yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. 548: Or stop oh free or something like that. Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. What would you call what would you call that? Volunteer? 548: Yeah that's what it is a volunteer. Interviewer: Yeah. Quite a lot of people say that. That uh 548: Uh as a a volunteer stock open you know or? Two or three stocks open or Whatever come up down there in the field. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Does that happen often? 548: It happens pretty often. It sure do. Interviewer: {NW} Do people ever grow wheat around here? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: What do if they just cut their wheat you say they tie it up into a? 548: Bundle. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Does the term {D:sheaf} mean anything to you? A {D:sheaf} of wheat or they're {D:sheafing} wheat? Haven't heard that? Okay. Alright. What about uh Talking about oats. What would you say you did the oats to? You know you have to grain uh away from the chaff 548: Thrash 'em out. Interviewer: You ever done that? 548: Mm-mm. Interviewer: I don't I don't know anything about it so. 548: You have to thrash it out though. Interviewer: Right. Okay. Say uh if your comparing how tall you are you might say well he's not as tall as? 548: as I am. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or the other way around you might say I'm not as tall as? 548: As he is. Interviewer: Okay.Or comparing how well you do something well he can do it better than? 548: Better than I can. Interviewer: Okay. What about this expression? Say if if we have to do a job together. 548: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 You'd # say that and have to do it? 548: You and me is is going to do a job. Interviewer: Right. Okay. In other words the job is not just for one of us its for? 548: It takes two. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Not just one of us but 548: It takes me and you to do one job. Interviewer: Okay. Say if uh you and another uh say when your husband was living Say if you and your husband were coming over to see me. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: And he was in the room. You'd tell me that and what for coming over? 548: That that me and my husband is coming over. Interviewer: Alright. Okay. And if you were say knocking on the door 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Coming to see me. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: And you knew that I'd recognize the sound of your voice. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: And if I said who's that? Instead of calling out your name you might say well open the door it's just? 548: It's just me. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. {NW} Alright Uh. Say if something belongs to me you'd say that's? 548: I I'd say that belongs to you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Right. It belongs to me you'd that's? 548: What I said it belongs to you? Interviewer: Yeah you wouldn't say it's his you'd say it's? 548: It's yours. Interviewer: Right. Okay. If it belongs to you you'd say that's? 548: That's mine. Interviewer: Right. And if it belongs to him you'd say that's? 548: Mm that's his. Interviewer: Sure that belongs to her you'd say it's? 548: It's hers. Interviewer: Right and if it belongs to them you'd say it's? 548: Belongs to them yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Uh let's see. You were telling me uh yesterday about different kinds of cornbread. What about other things you can make with flour? Not necessarily bread. 548: Well I don't know too much about flour. Cuz I never did have no time to mess with it much. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 548: No more than this biscuits or whole cakes or {NS} Things like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: Batter cakes. Interviewer: Yeah. I see. You ever make muffins? 548: Mm-mm I never do do that. Interviewer: Never make muffins. Okay. Alright what about this expression? If a man can lift real heavy weights 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You'd say he sure is mighty? 548: Stout. Interviewer: Alright okay. Or what about somebody that always has a smile on his face and he's got something nice to say about everybody. You'd say he sure is? 548: Friendly. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Nice to find people that way you know? 548: Oh that's nice. Interviewer: Yeah. What about a boy when he is growing up? Sometimes he just reaches an age where he just trips over things and runs into things and stumbles over his own feet you know? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: You'd say he sure is mighty? 548: Clumsy. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah right okay. What about a person that just keeps on doing things that don't make any sense. You'd say he's just a? 548: Well I'd say he's just a he's just terrible that's all I know. Interviewer: {NW} Alright. Have you ever heard people use the word fool like that? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: He's just plain fool. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Is that a strong thing to say? 548: Well it's sort of a strong thing yeah. But it's a it's alright to say it I guess. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. I see. Nothing in the bible about that thing? 548: Nah. Uh-uh. Interviewer: What what how have you heard people use that? They'd say? 548: Oh. Well I don't know too much about fool but hear 'em say crazy all the time. Interviewer: Crazy. 548: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 548: Well that's all the same thing. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Alright. What about a man who's got a lot of money but he likes to hang out it? You'd say he's a? 548: Stingy. Interviewer: Yeah. {NW} Ever heard of a tightwad? 548: Oh good lord yeah. Interviewer: {NW} Yeah. {NS} Is that the one you 548: Tightwad yeah. Interviewer: Okay. What about if I said this? Talking about somebody. Uh say old so-and-so is common as he can be. What would you what would that mean? 548: Well you just just plain you know and friendly and That's all I would say. Interviewer: Just an ordinary average {X} 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. What about an older person? Say in his nineties? That can still do for himself like cook and get around #1 pretty good? # 548: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: You'd say well I don't care how old he is he's still mighty? 548: Spry. Interviewer: Yeah okay alright. Yeah. Or what about somebody that leaves a lot of money lying around with doors unlocked and it's just in plain sight? You'd say he sure is mighty? 548: Oh I don't know. My mind ain't working right today I don't reckon. Interviewer: No it's okay. Uh Careless? 548: Careless. That's right. Interviewer: Okay. Say if I had an aunt named Lizzy I might say well there really is nothing wrong with aunt Lizzy it's just that every now and then she acts kinda? 548: Silly. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. {NW} Have you ever heard people say well so-and-so just acts kinda queer? 548: Yeah I guess Interviewer: Is that the way they'd say that? 548: Yeah. That weird. Interviewer: Or queer? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Would that be alright there? 548: Yeah that would be alright. Interviewer: Did you say it like that? 548: Yeah. Say that that queer. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Meaning they act kind of strange 548: That's what it was. Interviewer: Has that word changed meanings? Over the years does it mean anything different nowadays? 548: Not that I know of. Interviewer: Just strange? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. What about somebody who makes up his mind? And just won't change it. You'd say he's just? 548: Bullheaded. Interviewer: Alright. {NW} Alright okay. Or what about a person that you just can't joke with without him losing his temper? You might say he sure is? {NS} 548: Mean I'd say. Quick-tempered. Interviewer: Quick-tempered yeah sure. Talking about somebody like that you might say well uh I was just joking with him. I didn't know he'd get? 548: Mad. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Or somebody's about to get mad lose his temper and you don't want him to? 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: you might say well now just? 548: Just a minute. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Alright. And say at the end of the day you've been working hard all day. You'd say I sure am? 548: Tired. Interviewer: Okay. But what if it's you know just an extreme case of it? You'd say I'm just all? 548: Tuckered out. Interviewer: Yeah. {NW} Okay. Alright. Or Say if somebody's a got overheated and then got chills and their eyes started running and nose started running you'd say he probably did what? 548: Got too hot. Interviewer: Or he caught? 548: A bad cold. Interviewer: Alright okay. And if it affects his voice you'd say he's a little? 548: Got a sore throat. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or I'm a little bit? 548: Horse. Interviewer: Right. That ever happen to you? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay or it'd be {NW} {X} 548: Cold. Interviewer: Or? {NW} He had to? 548: Cough. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And at the end of the day you might say well I'm just gonna go to bed. I'll see you in a little bit. 548: Sleepy. {NW} Interviewer: Right. Right at six o'clock in the morning I'll? 548: Get up. Wake up. Interviewer: Okay. What about somebody that can't hear anything at all. Say their stone? 548: Deaf. Interviewer: Yeah. And if a man has been working out in the hot sun all day he might come in take off his shirt lay it out and say look how I? 548: How wet my shirt was. Interviewer: Or look how I? 548: How tired I am? Interviewer: What what was he doing? What did he in that hot sun and began to? 548: Wipe his sweat. Interviewer: Yeah 548: Look how he's sweating Interviewer: {NW} Okay. Have you ever seen in any of these places people might get on their skin? They've got a a a lump with a big hole in it you know? 548: Oh lord yeah. That's rise. Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call that anything else? 548: Boil. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. What about a carbuncle? 548: Yeah. They're called that too. Interviewer: Is that all the same thing? 548: Mm-mm. I don't think so My husband had a carbuncle along the back of his neck. Had eight heads on it. Interviewer: eh. 548: On the back of his neck. Now they call that a carbuncle. But a regular rise has one. Interviewer: Oh. 548: Head on it. Interviewer: I see. 548: You know one pore in it. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Yeah. And that white stuff inside it. You call that? 548: Corruption. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. Say if I got stung in the hand by a bee and my hand got bigger. I might say well. Look how my hand. 548: Swelled. Interviewer: Right. If I get bit again my hand is gonna? 548: Get bigger. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Or it's gonna? That same word swole say my hand is gonna? 548: Swell again. Interviewer: Right okay. Yesterday my hand? 548: Is better. Interviewer: Okay. You know sometimes when people get uh blisters on their hand? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: There is some kind of stuff inside that thing? 548: Water. Interviewer: Yeah. Water blister. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Ever heard of a blood blister? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: What is that? 548: Well it is blood isn't it? In a blood blister. Interviewer: Just got blood instead of water in it? 548: But you pin- pinch your finger with a hammer or something you know? An and you miss. Miss whatever you hit and pinch your finger. And that's be a blood blister. Interviewer: I see. 548: But you do have to hurt yourself to make a blood blister. Interviewer: Alright. Okay Say in a war somebody got shot or stabbed. You taken 'em to the doctor so the doctor could treat the? 548: The wound. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Yeah. Have you ever heard of a type of {D:broom} that people clean with? Uh maybe it gets kind of grainy around it you know? What kind of {D:flesh} would you call that? 548: proud flesh Interviewer: Yeah. Is that what that is? Got infected or something? 548: Yeah. It's infection but I call it proud flesh Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: It it gets worse yeah. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. I see. What if I got cut my hand and I didn't want it to get infected 548: Yeah. Interviewer: What would you put on it? To keep it from getting infected. Some kind of brown liquid 548: Yeah uh. AUX: #1 What time is # 548: #2 I put the on it # Interviewer: Mm-hmm. AUX: {X} 548: Something like that AUX: Now we are going to Interviewer: Do you ever hear people give you the eye? 548: Iodine. Interviewer: That's right. 548: Well that is good that that I believe that. Well I do know its good. Yeah. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. You keep any around? AUX: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # Have you heard have taken any white bitter tasting powder that people used to get for malaria. {NS} 548: Mm-hmm. Quinine. Interviewer: Yeah. 548: Oh lord that quinine. Interviewer: {NW} Yeah. Pretty rough stuff. 548: {NW} I just wonder what they haven't done about uh you know People don't have malaria now like they did then. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Probably just better sanitary conditions or 548: And we all take shots. Interviewer: That's true. {X} 548: That might be it. Interviewer: Let me ask you about this. Talking about a person who had died. Have you ever heard of somebody a talking about it kind of joking about it if it was somebody he didn't like? 548: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 He might # say well a that old that old tightwad finally? 548: Kicked the bucket. {NW} Interviewer: Alright. {D: alright alright} And you might say well old so-and-so has been dead for a week now and nobody yet figured out what he? 548: What he died with. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Okay. What do you call the place where people are buried? That's a? 548: Graveyard. Interviewer: Anything besides that? Cemetery? 548: Yeah cemetery. Interviewer: Same thing? 548: Yeah same thing. Interviewer: Okay. What about the box that they're buried in? 548: Coffin. Interviewer: Mm okay. And the ceremony for the dead person you say that you're going to so-and-so's? 548: Funeral. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. And people who are dressed in black at a funeral. You'd say they are in? 548: They're mourners. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And they're in? 548: In their family. That is you see that is one of their family that's dead. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: And like if some of my family I am supposed to wear something black but I do not. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. You'd say those people who were dressed in black are in mourning? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: That how they say it? 548: Yeah. They say they were mourning for their dead. Interviewer: Do people still do that? Dress in black. 548: Yeah. Some of 'em do. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: But really {D: people hardly don't now} They just wear what they got and go on. Interviewer: That's it. Okay. Say if uh. Somebody met you on the street in town uh just on an average day and said how are you doing? What would you probably say? 548: I I say doing alright. Interviewer: Whether you are or not? 548: Yeah. I just I just say well I am Interviewer: Yeah. 548: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 said # 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. Say this expression. The children are out late at night. And uh the wife is getting a little bit excited. The husband might say well they'll be home aright just don't? 548: Don't worry. Interviewer: Yeah. {NW} Say if uh somebody ate something that disagreed with 'em and it hadn't come back up You'd say he had to go? 548: Vomit. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. Have you ever heard anybody say anything else? For that? 548: Yeah. Uh-huh. Puke. Interviewer: Yeah. {NW} Alright alright. Is that a is that kind of a joking word? 548: I don't know but it's both the same thing. Stands for the same thing. Interviewer: Yeah. I see. What about throw up? 548: Yeah that's the same thing too. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Another way you'd say it? {X} 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: {X} 548: I say vomit. Sounds a whole lot better. Interviewer: Then what? 548: Then puke or {NS} or Interviewer: Throw? 548: Throw up either. Interviewer: Okay. And somebody who's that way. You'd say he's sick where? 548: Sick to his stomach. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Okay. {NW} What about a boy who keeps going over to the same girl's house pretty regularly? You'd say he is doing what? If maybe he was serious about her. You'd say he's? 548: Yeah. I I say I say well must be getting serious about her or he wouldn't stay over so much. Interviewer: Would it be would it be right to say maybe he was courting her? 548: Well that'd be right too. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. How would you say that he is a? 548: I say well I say well he's a he's a courting uh girl over behind there. They're getting mighty serious about it. Interviewer: Okay. And you would call you would say that he was her? 548: Boyfriend. Interviewer: Mm-hmm and she would be his? 548: Girlfriend. Interviewer: Okay. What if the boy came home late at night and his little bother stayed up to catch him? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: When he came in he saw that he has lipstick all over his collar. {NW} Uh-huh you've been? 548: Kissing somebody. {NW} Interviewer: Okay. What if the boy asked the girl to marry him but she doesn't want to? You'd say she did what to 'em? 548: Turned him down. Interviewer: Okay. But uh say if they went ahead and got married and they were having the wedding the man who stands up with the groom. You call him the? Ever heard him called the best man? 548: Mm-hmm. I've heard it. Yeah. He's best man alright. Interviewer: Okay what about the woman who stands up with the bride? Ever heard her called anything? 548: Bridesmaid. Interviewer: Okay. Yeah. Around here do you ever hear of a kind of a noisy celebration? After the wedding a lot of people will follow 'em back to the house and kind of get a little bit rowdy? 548: Yes sir. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And and throw rice on 'em and tie tin cans kettles and everything else they can find to the car you know? Uh-huh. Yeah. What is that called? Anything in particular? 548: Just married. Interviewer: {NW} Have you ever heard of shivaree or serenade? 548: I've heard of serenade yeah. Interviewer: What would that be? 548: Well it'd just be a bunch used to just a bunch get all tin pans or buckets or whatever they could get and go around somebody's house. Beating them buckets and tin pans and things till the night was over {NS} {X} you don't know music you know that's what they had Interviewer: Mm-hmm. But it wasn't necessarily have to do with the wedding? 548: Mm-mm. Interviewer: Yeah. 548: They'd just serenade somebody anyway. {NW} Interviewer: That's just for gentlemen? 548: Uh-huh. That was way back then. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. What about uh your boys and girls just getting together and they're playing music and they get out on the floor and they begin to move around and say their having a? 548: Dance. Interviewer: Yeah. That's right. Did you ever do much of that? 548: Yeah when I got married I did. Interviewer: What kind of dances did you like to do? 548: Charleston mostly. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: But I never I never did even see a step of dancing done 'til I got married. Interviewer: Is that right? 548: My brother-in-law kept trying to get me to dance but I wouldn't do it cause I couldn't. I thought I couldn't but he pulled me out there on the floor and I went straight on to dancing from there on out {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: My husband played music for dancing. {X} so I wouldn't hit 'em. Interviewer: I see. Yeah. Let me ask you about this expression. Say if uh if at three o'clock in the afternoon 548: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 the # the children get out of school. You say that at three o'clock you'd say school? 548: Bus. Interviewer: Beg your pardon? 548: Bus. Interviewer: Oh well. You say school does what at three o'clock? It 548: School's out at three o'clock. Interviewer: Okay. And say if it's uh. If it's been in the summer time and school hasn't been in toward the end of summer somebody might ask well when does school? 548: Start. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. Well say a boy left home and he was supposed to go to school 548: Okay. Interviewer: But he never got there on purpose. 548: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 You # say he did what? 548: Played hookie. Interviewer: Yeah. Alright. {NW} And uh sometimes after a person finishes high school he might go on to? 548: College. Interviewer: Okay. And in a schoolroom each child sits behind his own? 548: Desk. Interviewer: Yeah. You got a room full of those things you say you have a room full of? 548: Desks. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Okay. Ask you about a few buildings around town. If you wanted to check out a book you'd go to a? 548: Library. Interviewer: Okay. And if you wanted to mail a package? 548: Go to the post office. Interviewer: Alright and if you had to stay overnight in a strange town? 548: Go to a motel. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. What about if you wanted to see a play or a movie you'd go to the? 548: Theater. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Okay. And if you got sick and had to go in the hospital the woman that would look after you would be called a? 548: A nurse. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And what about if you had to catch a train here in town? 548: You have to buy your ticket. Interviewer: And go down to the? 548: Bus station. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or the train? 548: Oh. Train station. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Uh here in town. Well I don't know if you have it here in {X} but in a lot of little towns where you got the court house 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Sometimes you got the businesses arranged around the court house. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What do you call that area? Right in the middle of that stuff? 548: Well I don't I don't know. Court house is all I know. Interviewer: You ever hear people call it the square or court square or courthouse square or something like that? Haven't heard that? 548: No. Interviewer: Okay. What about if you got a building sitting right here. And you got another one right over #1 here # 548: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: you'd say this one is right across from it. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: But what about if it's sitting over here? You'd say it's? 548: In front of that building. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. But it is not exactly in front it is off to one side. You'd say it's? 548: {NW} It's off to the side of the other building. Interviewer: Okay. Ever hear people use the the word catty-corner? 548: Yeah. Catty-corner. Interviewer: Would that be right to say that there? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever seen these things people used to use 'em for transportation? They run on rails in town have something like a wire overhead? 548: Yeah. Uh streetcar. Interviewer: Ever ridden on one of those? 548: Nah. I've seen 'em but never did ride one. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Or your riding on a bus you might tell the bus driver the next corner is where I want? 548: Want off. Interviewer: Alright. Okay. Okay. What about uh what would you say the police in a town are supposed to maintain? 548: They're they're suppose to maintain peace. Keep peace in town. Interviewer: Okay or law. {NW} 548: Uphold the law in town. And uh keep keep the people well just keep peace in town. That's all I can say. Interviewer: Alright. Okay. What about in the day before they had the electric chair. You'd say murderers what? 548: Hung. Interviewer: Alright. Okay. Or talking about a man who committed suicide and say he went out and? 548: Hung himself. Interviewer: Alright. Okay. Talking about church again. 548: Mm. Interviewer: So you might say after church was over that preacher sure delivered a fine? 548: Message. Interviewer: Okay. Ever heard people call it anything else? 548: Sermon. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And talking about if you were listing to the music in a church or something like that you might say that sure was 548: Nice. Interviewer: Or it was beau- 548: Beautiful music. Interviewer: Okay. 548: I love music in my church. Interviewer: What do you have uh to make the music? 548: Well they they got a organ and a they got two organs. And three or four guitars and and a bass guitar and a drum. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Alright. 548: They really make music. Interviewer: {X} 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Let me ask you about this expression. Say if somebody has said something about a another woman? 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And she hears about it and she doesn't like it. She might say well the very? 548: Idea. {NW} Interviewer: You ever said that? 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Oh okay. What would you say if you met a friend of yours you were just walking along downtown and happen to meet a friend of yours. 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What about you say in the way of greeting them? You know? Asking about their health. 548: A friend of mine? I'd say well h-how you feel? Probably hug their neck. You know. Shake their hand. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. What if you were walking on downtown and suddenly you met somebody walking the other way that you didn't know would you ever say anything at all to 'em? 548: Uh-huh. I'd say hi. Interviewer: Okay. A lot of people won't say anything. 548: Yeah but I do. Interviewer: Yeah. {X} 548: If they look like they'd speak back I will. {NW} Interviewer: Right. 548: They look like they got their head stuck up in the air I don't say anything. Interviewer: Yeah okay. What how would you greet somebody around December the twenty-fifth. Say you hope you have a? 548: A good Christmas. Interviewer: Or merry? 548: Happy new year. Interviewer: Or hope you have a merry Christmas? 548: A merry Christmas. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever heard people say Christmas {D:gift}? Or Christmas morning? 548: Yeah I've had it pulled off on me a few times. Interviewer: How do they do that? 548: They'd say Christmas gift And they'll They'll say Christmas gift and then I'm supposed to give them something. Interviewer: Mm I see. 548: That They generally get that on me I don't never get to get that off on somebody else. {NW} Interviewer: Way too quick huh? Okay. What about if somebody does you a favor you might say well I sure am much? 548: Surprised. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or if you're expressing you know the fact that you appreciate it. You might say I sure am much to you? 548: Much obliqued to you. Interviewer: Sure. Okay. And say if you have some things that you want to get in town you say you need to go up town to do some? 548: Shopping. Interviewer: Okay. And if you bought something you'd say the store keeper took a piece of paper and he? 548: Wrapped it up. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And when you got home you? 548: Unwrapped it. Interviewer: Alright okay. And say if a store is selling things for less than what they paid for? you say they are selling at a ? 548: At a bargain. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Or I guess maybe that would be a loss? 548: Yeah. They're taking a loss. Interviewer: Okay. Thank you. {NS} Interviewer: I was saying if uh You see something that you like you'd like to buy it but it's just too expensive. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: You'd say well I'd like to get that but it just too much? 548: Costs too much. Interviewer: Okay. And you say when it's time to pay the bill you say the bill is? 548: Too high. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or when it has come time to pay it. You say the bill is? 548: Too much. I can't think. Interviewer: Or a let's see. {NW} The bill is due. 548: Yeah the bill is due. Interviewer: Okay. And some people who are in clubs they have to pay their? 548: Dues. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Do you want uh {D:house out there}but you haven't got enough money, Maybe you go to your banker and try to? 548: Borrow it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And he might say well I like to give you the money but nowadays money is mighty. 548: Expensive I guess. Interviewer: Or if you haven't got a lot of if you'd say money is mighty? 548: Mighty low. Interviewer: Or scar-? 548: Mighty scared. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. What about if you were going swimming? When a person runs down the end of the board and goes in like this? 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You'd say he's going to? In the water. You know dive? 548: Dive. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And if he did it yesterday you'd say yesterday he? 548: Dived. Interviewer: #1 Right. # 548: #2 On the # diving board. Interviewer: Right. And he has? Off the board? 548: He has dove off the diving board. Interviewer: Okay. And when he gets into the water he begins to? 548: Swim. Interviewer: Alright. Yeah. Your telling me about it you say yesterday I? 548: Yesterday I went swimming. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or yesterday I? In the water. 548: Yesterday I dove in the water. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. You ever seen anybody dive in the water and land flat? Make a popping sound. 548: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Haven't heard that? 548: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Just land flat. Have you ever heard that called anything? 548: Bully-buster. Interviewer: Yeah. Right. 548: Well they tell me that hurts. Interviewer: It does. It hurts. {NW} 548: Man I can't swim. Interviewer: Oh. I see. I see.Okay. 548: But they say that hurts. Interviewer: It sure does. It stings. And maybe if somebody gets in water that's too deep for them they don't know how to swim they might? {NS} Might do what? 548: Drown. Interviewer: Sure. Okay. And you talking about somebody that happened to yesterday you'd say yesterday so-and-so? 548: Drowned. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Have you ever heard of around here if you go into the to the store and pay off your bill uh maybe the storekeeper gives you something a little extra. For paying off your bill. 548: Oh yeah they. They you can go pay your bill off they give you a little bit extra on your bill. Yeah. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. You ever heard the word lagniappe used that way? 548: What? Interviewer: Lagniappe. Meaning a little gift or something. What is that? Okay. What about if a boy is playing around in the yard he might tuck his head between his legs and kick out his feet and roll like that? #1 You'd say. # 548: #2 Somersault. # Interviewer: Right. Okay. Sure. What would you say a baby does before it is able to walk? It? 548: Crawls. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And if there is something up a tree that I need to get I might have to 548: Climb. Interviewer: Yeah. I did it yesterday I'd say that I? 548: Climbed that tree yesterday. Interviewer: Right. And I have? Plenty of times? 548: Mm. And you have climbed it plenty of times. Interviewer: Okay. Say if uh {NS} talking about somebody who's just really sick. You might say well old so-and-so couldn't even sit up. He just in bed all day? 548: Lay in bed all day. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. And sometimes when you go to sleep you know? You begin seeing things in your sleep. And you say that you begin to? 548: Have a nightmare. Interviewer: Or maybe it's not a nightmare you just begin to? It's nothing scary you are just having a regular old? You just begin to dream. 548: Dream yeah. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. You were telling me that last night I? About so-and-so. 548: Mm. I I had a dream last night. Interviewer: You dream much? Nightmares? Yeah. 548: No I don't dream much. Interviewer: Okay. What about you say I did if I brought my foot down real hard on the floor? 548: Stomped the floor. {NW} Interviewer: Or say if a boy meets a girl at a party? and he wants to make sure she gets home okay. He might ask her well may I? 548: Walk home with you? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Or uh say if you were cooking in the kitchen and there was small children standing around. You might tell 'em well that stove is real hot so? 548: Stay away from that stove. Interviewer: Or don't? 548: Don't touch. Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever play uh tag when you were growing up. 548: Yeah. I remember that I Interviewer: Mm-hmm. How did that how did you play that? 548: Well a a bun a bunch of us uh we just stand around you know and uh around in a ring one would get no that was {X} Interviewer: Right. 548: That was playing {X} that is what I'm talking about. Uh-uh we never played tag. Interviewer: Yeah. Have you ever heard if you were playing tag there is a place you could run to and be safe? They couldn't get you. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: What was that called? 548: Base. Interviewer: Yeah. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Say if you were going to send me for a knife? You'd tell me go me the knife? 548: Go bring me a knife. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. Or if we were going to uh meet in town. I might say well if I get there before you do I'll? I'll 548: I'll get here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or I'll we were supposed to be there together you might say I'll wait? 548: I'll can't I'll wait and you go ahead and get {D:it} Interviewer: Okay. 548: Whatever it is. Interviewer: Or say if uh if I think I'm gonna get married before you do 548: Yeah. Interviewer: I'd say well that's okay you don't have to hurry. I'll wait 548: {NW} Interviewer: Okay. {D:What do you} a man who's got a smile on his face all the time. You might say well he sure seems to have a good sense of? 548: Humor. {NW} That's the kind of people I like to see. Interviewer: Alright Yeah they're pretty pleasant. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Say if uh a little boy left his desk pencil lying on his desk. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: But when he came back it was gone. He might say alright who? 548: Who's got my pencil? Interviewer: Yeah okay. Everyone thinks that they are not gonna give it back. You'd say? 548: Who stole my pencil? Interviewer: Okay. Say if uh you want to get in touch with a friend of your's you might sit down and begin to? 548: Write 'em a letter. Interviewer: Maybe you did it yesterday so yesterday I? 548: I wrote I wrote him a letter yesterday. Interviewer: Okay. Alright and I have plenty of times? 548: I have wrote to 'em plenty of times. Interviewer: Alright and after you write the letter you take the envelope and you do what to it? You? 548: You back it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. You might say well I like to write so-and-so but I just don't know his? 548: Address. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Say if a little boy has learned something new like how to whistle between his teeth. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: You might ask 'em well who? 548: Who learned you that? Interviewer: Okay. What about the when you were growing up was there ever a little kid that ran around telling on the other children? 548: Yes sir. Tattle-tale. Interviewer: Tattle-tale. {NW} Yeah. Nobody likes a tattle-tale. 548: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Get in trouble. 548: Mm-mm Interviewer: To you is there any difference between tattling and gossiping? 548: I don't see were there is none. Interviewer: Just the same? #1 thing? # 548: #2 Same thing. # Interviewer: Okay. Say if you've got some flowers growing outside and you decide you want to brighten up your room a little bit? You say I believe I'll put outside? 548: Get me a bouquet I love flowers. Interviewer: Yeah. I do too. What about a these things that children play with you say they got a lot of? 548: Toys. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Ever heard that called anything else? Play-pretty? 548: Yeah. I hear that too. {NW} Interviewer: How would they say that? 548: I that they say well we got a lot of uh a play-pretties. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Say if I have something that you need right now. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: You'd say me that? 548: Give me that. Interviewer: Right. Okay. But I might say well I already? to you. 548: Already gave it to you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Alright. {NS} {NW} {NS} Yeah if your in a hurry you don't just walk somewhere you begin to? 548: Run. Interviewer: Yeah. You'd say I was in a hurry yesterday. Yesterday I? All the way to town. 548: I run all the way to town yesterday. Interviewer: Yeah. And I have plenty of time before? 548: {NW} I have plenty run to town plenty of times before. Interviewer: Okay. Uh say if uh oh if somebody if a little boy was playing around and hit a ball through your glass window. Might say well so-and-so that wasn't an accident. He did that? {NS} That wasn't an accident. He did that? 548: On purpose. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And if you want to if wanna know something and you come to me I might say well I'm not going to be able to help you. You better go? Somebody else. 548: Yeah. Go to somebody else. Interviewer: Yeah or? He might come up to me and say well let me you a question. 548: Let me ask you a question. Interviewer: And I think he might I might say well yesterday you the same thing. 548: You asked me the same thing. {NW} Interviewer: And you have? plenty of times before. 548: And you have plenty times before. Interviewer: You have me? 548: Asked me the same question. Interviewer: Yeah okay. And if little boys get mad at each other they might begin to? 548: Fight. Interviewer: Yeah you'd say yesterday they? 548: Yesterday they fought. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And they have always? 548: And they and they fought before. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. Say if somebody took a knife and did that to somebody you say they did what? 548: Stuck 'em with a knife. Interviewer: Or stab? 548: Stabbed 'em with a knife. Interviewer: What do you have any names for big knifes? 548: Nothing but a butcher knife. Interviewer: That's pretty big. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. But say if a little boy went into the school before a teacher went into the school room {NS} And there were funny pictures of her all over the board. You she might turn around and say well who? 548: Who put them on the board? Interviewer: Uh-uh or who? 548: Who did that? Interviewer: They didn't write the pictures. They? 548: Oh they wrote it down there. Oh who wrote that on the board? Interviewer: Or who drew? 548: Who drew that on the board? Interviewer: Okay. Say if uh a man had a sailing uh a sailboat. And he wanted to get the sails up. He'd say he would say he has to the sail? 548: Wind. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Ever heard of people call that a hoist the sails? {NW} Excuse me. Never heard that expression before? 548: Nah. Interviewer: Hoist the sail. 548: No I don't know much about sailboats. Interviewer: Okay. Alright. Alright so about ten o'clock during the day time what would you say to somebody just greeting them? 548: One that I already know? Interviewer: Yeah. 548: Say good morning. You doing alright today? Interviewer: Okay. What would be the latest in the day you'd say good morning? 548: Twelve o'clock. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And after that you'd say? 548: Good evening. {NW} Interviewer: Alright. Okay. Is that what you call the part of the day after morning? 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 They evening # 548: #2 Evening uh-huh # After twelve. Interviewer: You ever say call it the afternoon? {NS} 548: Yeah sometimes. Interviewer: You call it? 548: I I afternoon I call it evening. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Afternoon evening. Same thing? 548: Mm-hmm. {NW} Interviewer: Excuse me. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Mm. What do you say when you are leaving somebody in the day time? 548: Well if I am going a long ways I'll say goodbye or when I get up or if I am going home I say well I I'm going home. Come when you to see me when you can. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. What do you say when you are leaving somebody at night? 548: Well so my friends well come on go home with me. {NW} Stay all night. Interviewer: Right. Or otherwise you would just say good? 548: Goodnight. Interviewer: Okay. 548: I'll see you tomorrow. Interviewer: Alright. What about if uh a farmer started working the field? {NW} Before the sun came up 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You'd say he started to work before? 548: Before sun up. Interviewer: And if he stayed out till the sun went down you'd say he stayed out till? 548: Sun down. Do you want? {NS} Interviewer: Yeah do you? {NW} 548: You got a pretty car. Interviewer: Oh thank you. I got to put a lot of miles on it this summer. 548: I bet you did. Interviewer: Riding all around. 548: Are you married? Interviewer: No ma'am. Still single. 548: How old are you? Interviewer: Twenty-eight. {X} {NW} 548: Very few you see. Twenty-eight that ain't married. Interviewer: I know it's true. That's the way it goes, right? 548: That that's good though watch how watch him do it. Interviewer: {NW} I'm not going to jump into anything. 548: No sir. Interviewer: {NW} 548: Watch out what you do. {NS} Interviewer: Yeah. {D:This morning} my voice is about to give out. Okay. What about uh if you were a little late getting out in the field you might say well by the time we got in the field the sun had already? 548: Come up. It was hot. Interviewer: Yeah. Or it had already risen? 548: Risen. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you would say uh yesterday at five o'clock the sun? 548: The sun went down at five. Interviewer: Well if it was in the morning? You'd say at #1 five o'clock # 548: #2 Oh. Yeah # Interviewer: the sun? 548: Rise at five. Interviewer: Okay. And if you want to know you might ask somebody what time is the sun gonna? 548: Set this evening. Interviewer: Or what time is it gonna? 548: Rises. Interviewer: Okay. 548: Today. {NS} Interviewer: Let's see if uh if today is Wednesday then Tuesday was? {NS} Today is Wednesday that means Tuesday was? 548: Mm. Uh. Fourth of July. Interviewer: Okay. But was not tomorrow it was? 548: Yesterday. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. What about if somebody came to see you not this last Sunday but the one before that. You'd say that they came to see you? 548: Sunday before last. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or if somebody is going to come see you not this coming Sunday but the one after. You'd say he's coming? 548: Sunday week. Interviewer: Sunday week. Okay. {NW} And if somebody who had company and they stayed from about the first to the fifteenth. You'd say they stay about? 548: A week. Interviewer: Okay or have you ever heard people around here use the word fortnight? Okay. Say if you want to know the time of day. You'd ask me? {C: lots of background noise} 548: What time of day it is? Interviewer: Okay. And I'd say uh well just let me look at my? 548: Clock. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. What about if it was midway between exactly midway between seven and eight o'clock? What time would you call that? {NS} 548: Seven thirty. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. What if it was fifteen minutes later than half past ten? What would you call that? 548: Mm. Ten minutes later than half past ten. Interviewer: Fifteen minutes later than half past ten. 548: It'd be. fifteen minutes till eleven wouldn't it? Interviewer: Okay. And say something that you have been doing for a long time. You say I been doing that for quite? 548: Quite a while. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And say if nineteen seventy-seven was last year then nineteen seventy-eight is? 548: This year. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. And something that happened on this day last year. You'd say it happened exactly? 548: On this day last last year. Interviewer: Yes ma'am you'd say it happened exactly? 548: On that day this year. Interviewer: You'd say it happened a year? 548: A year ago. Interviewer: Alright. Okay. Alright somethings about the weather. Uh somebody might go outside and look up at the sky and say well I don't like the look of those dark? 548: Clouds. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. What about a day like today that you know the sun is shinning and just the kind of day you like. You'd say it sure is a? 548: Pretty day. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What if it's not like that you got a lot of dark clouds and think it's gonna rain. You'd say it looks like it's gonna be a? 548: If it looks looks dark Oh it looks like it's going to rain. Interviewer: Okay or what kind of day would you call that. Is not not a nice day. It's gonna be a? 548: A nasty day. Interviewer: {NS} Yeah yeah. What would say if clouds are getting thicker and darker. You expect it's gonna rain. You say the weather is doing what? 548: Weather is getting rough. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: The way I always say it. Interviewer: Right do you ever hear people say it's threatening? 548: Threatening rain yeah. Interviewer: Threatening rain. Yeah okay. But if it's been cloudy and the sun starts shinning through and the clouds pull away. You say it is doing what? It's? 548: clearing off Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Okay. {NS} Alright. What if what kind of storm would you call it if you have a lot of lightening and thunder going on? 548: Lightening storm. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. 548: Or a thunder storm. Interviewer: You might say well I just got my clothes hung up on the line when the wind came along and? 548: Blowed 'em off. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh you might say that wind sure does hard? 548: Blow hard. Interviewer: It has everything down? 548: It has every everything down. Blows my clothes line down. Interviewer: Okay. {NW} What what would you say if the wind has been very gentle but it is gradually getting stronger? You'd say the wind is doing what? 548: Wind is rising. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or if it's if it's been strong but it's gradually getting more gentle. You'd say it's? 548: It's it's getting more weaker. Interviewer: Okay. What about if you go out in the morning during the fall and it's just the kind of weather that you like to be out in. It might be a little on the cool side but it's not uncomfortable. 548: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Say it's kind of out here? 548: Nice out here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. 548: I love it out there. Interviewer: I do too. Ever heard people use the the word airish. It's kind of airish? 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What is that like? 548: Well that's when it's just a little bit average. It's not plum cold and it ain't hot either. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: When it's just a little bit cool. Interviewer: Is it uncomfortable? 548: Well it is if you ain't got sleeves on. Interviewer: I see. Okay. Say in the winter time when it's getting colder you might go outside and there will be a light coat of white on the ground. It's ice particles and say you had a little? 548: Snow. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or if its not exactly snow. 548: Ice. Freeze. Interviewer: Or a frost? 548: Frost yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay. Or some frosts are worse than others? 548: Oh yeah man. It's just they call 'em some of 'em killing frost. Everything is just you know pretty and green till you have that killing frost and then it just kills everything. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. I see. You might say it got so cold last night that the lake? 548: Froze over. Interviewer: Okay. And if it gets much colder the pond might? 548: Might freeze too. Interviewer: And it has? plenty of times before? it has? 548: It has froze before though. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. Alright. 548: Would you rather have tea than water? Interviewer: Oh this is fine. It is really preferable. It's fine. Okay just. {NW} Just to get uh pronunciation would you say kind of slowly for me the months of the year? 548: I couldn't to save my life. Interviewer: {X} Do you know what month this is right now? 548: No. Interviewer: Okay well uh let's see. Well what about if I just say 'em and you repeat after me. Would that be okay? Okay. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: January. 548: January. Interviewer: February. 548: February. Interviewer: March. 548: March. Interviewer: April. 548: April. Interviewer: May. 548: May. Interviewer: June. 548: June. Interviewer: July. 548: July. Interviewer: August. 548: August. Interviewer: September. 548: September. Interviewer: October. 548: October. Interviewer: November. 548: November. Interviewer: December. 548: December. Interviewer: Okay. What about the days of the week? Could you say them for me? 548: Mm-hmm. Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Have you ever heard of people around here call Sunday anything else? 548: The sabbath. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. What does that mean to you? The sabbath. 548: Well that's the day the lord made to be holy. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: And that's why they call it sabbath. Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Okay. What about this expression you might say well sometimes you feel that your uh your good luck comes a little bit at a time but it seems your bad luck comes? 548: All at all at once, Interviewer: Right. {NW} Right. Uh and then again just for pronunciation. 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Uh. Could you count for me from one to fourteen slowly? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. 548: One Two {NW} three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen. Interviewer: Okay and the number after nineteen is? 548: Twenty. Interviewer: Okay and after twenty-six is? 548: Twenty-seven. Interviewer: Alright and after twenty-nine is? 548: Thirty. Interviewer: And after thirty-nine? 548: Is forty? Interviewer: Okay and after sixty-nine? 548: seventy. Interviewer: And after ninety-nine? 548: It's a hundred. Interviewer: Okay and after nine hundred ninety-nine that's one? 548: thousand. Interviewer: Okay and big number ten times a hundred thousand is one? 548: Million. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay. The day of the month that the bills are due is usually the? 548: First. Interviewer: And after that is the? 548: Second third fourth fifth sixth seventh eighth ninth tenth. Interviewer: Right around our fingers? 548: Ten. Mm-hmm Interviewer: I want to ask you about uh again just for pronunciation. 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: The names of uh {NW} some of states and cities. If uh you just repeat them after I say 'em. Okay. Uh and tell me if you ever been there or heard of 'em before. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Uh New York state. 548: I've heard of it but I ain't been there. Interviewer: Okay. Could you say it for me? 548: New- New York state. Interviewer: Yeah okay just repeat these after me. 548: Oh. Interviewer: Maryland. 548: Maryland. Interviewer: Oh Okay Virginia. 548: Virginia. Interviewer: Okay North Carolina. 548: North Carolina. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay South Carolina. 548: South Carolina. Interviewer: Georgia. 548: Georgia. Interviewer: Ever been there? Okay. Uh Florida. 548: Florida. Interviewer: Okay. Alabama. 548: Alabama. Interviewer: Have you been to Alabama? I'll have to get over there sometime. 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Uh Louisiana. 548: Louisiana. Interviewer: Ever been there? Uh Kentucky. 548: Kentucky. Uh-uh. Interviewer: Tennessee. 548: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Say that for me. 548: Tennessee. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Missouri. 548: Missouri. {NS} Interviewer: Ar- Arkansas. 548: Arkansas. Interviewer: Ever been there? 548: Yeah. Interviewer: Been there. Okay. Uh Texas. 548: Mm-hmm. Texas. Interviewer: Okay. Oklahoma. 548: Oklahoma. Interviewer: Okay. Massachusetts. 548: Massachusetts. Interviewer: Okay. Ever heard of uh the New England states? 548: I've heard of it. Interviewer: Okay. Can you say that for me? 548: Massachusetts. Interviewer: New England. 548: New England. Interviewer: Okay a few cities now. Baltimore. 548: Baltimore. Interviewer: Okay Washington D.C. 548: Washington D.C. Interviewer: And Saint Louis. 548: Saint Louis. Interviewer: Okay uh Charleston. 548: Charleston. Interviewer: Birmingham. 548: Birmingham. Interviewer: Chicago. 548: Chicago. Interviewer: Okay. Montgomery. 548: Montgomery. Interviewer: Mobile. 548: Mobile. Interviewer: You know where that is? Uh have you ever heard of uh the Gulf of Mexico. 548: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Body of water. Say that for me. 548: Gulf of Mexico. Interviewer: Alright. Um Nashville. 548: Nashville. Interviewer: Okay. Knoxville. 548: Oxville? Interviewer: Knoxville. 548: Knoxville. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Ever heard of that? Chattanooga. 548: Chattanooga. Interviewer: Okay uh Asheville 548: Asheville. Interviewer: Or uh Memphis 548: Memphis. Interviewer: Okay then okay. 548: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Atlanta. 548: Atlanta. Interviewer: Savannah. 548: Savannah. Interviewer: Macon. 548: Macon. Interviewer: Columbus. 548: Columbus Interviewer: New Orleans. 548: New Orleans. Interviewer: Okay. Baton Rouge. 548: Baton Rouge. Interviewer: Okay. Cincinnati. 548: Cincinnati Interviewer: Louisville. 548: Louisville. Interviewer: Okay and just a few foreign countries uh. You ever heard of Moscow? 548: I've heard of it. Interviewer: You know where it is? 548: Moscow uh-uh Interviewer: Russia. 548: Ru-Russia. Russia. Interviewer: And what about Paris? 548: Paris. Interviewer: Okay France. 548: France. Uh-uh. Interviewer: Okay and Ireland. 548: Uh Ireland uh-uh. {NW} {NS} Interviewer: You must have stayed in Mississippi all your life? 548: I have. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Don't like to travel too much? 548: Yes I like to travel but when I raised my children I didn't have the money to travel. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: My husband he was sick a lot of the time. So didn't get to travel. Interviewer: You said you'd been on a visit to see your son in Texas though. 548: Yeah. I got sick and had to go out there. Interviewer: Oh is that right? 548: And that's how I could I be out there. He come got me. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Did you get over at the sixty plus thing today? 548: You know I missed that. Interviewer: I heard that happened. 548: Uh my daughter in law brought me in. I've been trying to get out there and pay my rent. And they were going to charge me overtime if I didn't pay it. This morning. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: And so I uh got a car and went out there and paid my rent. And as I got upstairs I tried to open the door I heard Ms. Pool blow the horn out there. Interviewer: Oh. 548: And before I could get down and get out there. Then it was fifteen till twelve. She was in a hurry. She was gone. Interviewer: Uh. 548: I didn't get to go. Interviewer: Mm. And they have that everyday of the #1 week? # 548: #2 everyday # Everyday. But now uh there's a church brings some people like you know blind or really unable to get out Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: they bring them lunch on Saturday and Sunday. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: But now we go out and eat. Uh five days a week. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 548: But we don't get none on Saturday and Sunday. We have to cook. Interviewer: I see. That's not bad two days a week I guess. 548: No that ain't too bad. I sure would have liked to go today though. Interviewer: Do they usually have pretty good meals?. Over there. 548: Yeah. Biggest part of the time they do. Now they had a good meal there Friday. And uh so they were gonna give us a cold pack and for two days. That we was off. You know through the fourth and we didn't go back. Well they got some uh lunches in cold packs like that. Apples and oranges and you know? Look raisins you know? Well a little bit of whole lot of different stuff you know? And you get two of them. But you know I didn't even get to go. The one that was supposed to carry didn't carry. Interviewer: Mm. 548: And uh so I didn't get mine. Which I wouldn't have had to cook yesterday. I'd have me something already cook. Interviewer: Do you like to cook? 548: No. {NW} I had to do too much of that when I was raising my family. Interviewer: What's the hardest thing you have ever had to cook? {NS} 548: Really I don't know. Only talking about uh uh. Interviewer: The reason I asked is maybe something like cakes. My mom I was talking to my mom on the telephone last she said that she tried to make two and they both fell. So that sounded like it would be pretty hard to me to do right. 548: Well uh well my cakes used to fall if I made 'em up you know. from scratch I caught 'em you know you put I I always put when I had my family three cups of sugar and about half a dozen eggs. And uh so I I make my cake up seven layers. It would be about that high. Interviewer: Seven. 548: Seven layers. Interviewer: That's a pretty big cake. 548: You you know layers. You know what I am talking about? Interviewer: I thought I did but I guess I don't. 548: There there thin you know you make 'em thin. which you stack 'em up on top of one another. Interviewer: Oh okay. 548: Seven of 'em. Interviewer: I don't cook. I don't know. 548: Well I know you saw homemade cook cakes cooked. And uh so that's what I had to cook when I was raising my family I mean uh. I used to cook a no little one. Interviewer: Yeah I see. Yeah. Did you ever make birthday cakes and stuff like that? What kind of cakes did you even make? 548: Well really I didn't ever fool with none hardly on Christmas or something like that. But one time one of my boys he was sick the whole time I but anyway I cooked a a coconut cake and that is what he liked. And we had one of those old ice boxes that you could buy a chunk of ice put it in that box and then you set down what you set down onto there little old place down there. I went to cook my cakes early that Christmas. So I cooked me a nice coconut cake. It looked so good you know. And he kept begging me for a piece of that cake. Now I wouldn't give it to him. And around that porch we had a a wide plank nailed to where the children couldn't get out the back you know? And so I went out there looking for my cake and it was gone. It pickled me. I thought you know next door just took it. meaning to give it back you know it was frank for somebody going to do that. And so I I don't know. Late that evening early the next morning I noticed and that boy had gotten that cake out of that ice box. And he couldn't get the door open and he set it up on the edge of that plank While he opened the door and it just {X} Interviewer: Oh god. 548: Man Sticky sticky mess. {NW} He never got my cake Interviewer: That's terrible. That's terrible. Mm. You reckon it's gonna stay hot outside? 548: I imagine. This month and next is supposed to be the hottest month we have yet. Interviewer: Has it gotten over a hundred here yet? 548: I ain't got nothing to keep up with it with. Interviewer: I was in driving around in Arkansas last summer about this time and I drove into {D:El Dereo} Arkansas and it was one-hundred and eight. 548: Oh gee. Interviewer: Oh goodness gracious. The hottest place I've been yet. 548: You have got air conditioning {NW} I thought you better have Interviewer: Either that or be packing ice. {NW} {NW} It's rough. 548: I know. Interviewer: Sure does. 548: It gets rough. {NS} Well I don't know. {NS}