596: {X} But she made the bread. Interviewer: Oh I see, I see. Well I think after that description you gave for making bread I'd I'd at least make you made it one time. Oh my {X}. Yeah that is funny. {NW} Uh we're talking about weather. You know, we were just talking about it being hot. #1 I guess now is a good time to ask you about that. # 596: #2 You you. # Interviewer: #1 Oh thank you. I just might do that. # 596: #2 Can you? # Interviewer: Hey that feels good. Uh those white fluffy things up {NW} there in the sky are {NW}? They're what? 596: Uh we call them our uh thunderheads. Interviewer: Ah. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: And what does that usually mean? 596: Why thunderhead means thunder some time or another {X} but we call them thunderheads. Interviewer: #1 Thunderheads? # 596: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 Okay anything.. # 596: #2 Lakes are uh # Lakes are something like that. Yeah. Interviewer: Absolutely. If you if everything up in the sky were kind of black looking you might walk outside and say Mm I don't like the looks of those black... 596: Yeah. Why you'd be looking for a storm of something come up then. Interviewer: Um when it's been real sunshiney 596: #1 You know a real fair and happy day. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah yeah yeah. # And then all the sudden it gets dark. You'd say the weather is doing what? 596: It's changing. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Suppose it's the other way. Suppose you had been having a storm and all of the sudden it's the it began to get light again you'd say the weather is doing what? 596: Moderating. Interviewer: #1 Moderating? Okay. # 596: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: On a uh nice day when there's very few clouds in the sky you know the sun's shining. You might say it sure is a what kind of day? 596: Ah a nice day. Interviewer: Yeah when it's when the sun shining you know and it's not too hot. 596: #1 The kind of day you'd like to be outside in. # Interviewer: #2 I I see. # You could say it sure is what kind of day? 596: A pleasant day. Interviewer: Alright. 596: A pleasant day. Interviewer: And the opposite kind of day when it's real dark and threatening and or cloudy you might say it's what kind of day? 596: Why we say uh we say it's we call it backwards weather. Interviewer: Hey that's interesting. What does that mean? 596: Well backwards we say well the weather's not it's not in our it's not in our favor {NW} Interviewer: Backwards weather. 596: Yeah we just had backwards weather. Interviewer: Oh I like that. Now that would look like what? 596: Well I don't know. it just it just. Interviewer: #1 Wouldn't be... # 596: #2 Would it be raining? # Well it would it's just in the rain or maybe sleet or snow or just do anything more. Interviewer: Just any kind of a 596: Yeah. Interviewer: Bad looking. 596: Yeah. That's right I turn any kind of way. Interviewer: I see. 596: We call that backwards weather. Interviewer: I see. um. If it is raining if you have a very heavy rain You know, hard rain, but it doesn't last very long. What do you call that? 596: Why if it rains and don't last long. Interviewer: uh-huh. It's real hard but 596: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 For just a few minutes. # 596: #1 Why we'd say. # Interviewer: #2 You'd say we had a real. # 596: We'd say we had a real hard rain but it didn't last long. Interviewer: {NW} Okay. Do you have a name for it though? Do you ever hear it called Oh you know something like a goose-drowner or some kind 596: Well sometimes if it's hard enough we call it a cloud burst. Interviewer: #1 Cloud burst? # 596: #2 if if # If it's not hard enough we won't call it that. We just say it was a moderate shower. We just say it was a big sh- sharp rain but it didn't last long. Interviewer: And if you say shower that means it doesn't last real long? 596: Yes. Interviewer: But it's not real hard. 596: No, that's right. Interviewer: Okay what about a rain. If you go outside and it's raining a little bit but not very much just a few drops. You'd say it's a? 596: What we say is we get a drizzle rain and then we call it a drizzle. Interviewer: And that. You'd it's drizzle. 596: Yessum. Interviewer: Uh what do you call a storm that has thunder and lightning? 596: Electric storm. Interviewer: #1 Alright we've had a lot of those lately. We have one # 596: #2 Yes ma'am. That's right. # Interviewer: every afternoon. 596: Yeah that's right. Electric storm. Interviewer: If the wind is coming from let's see I think from that direction you'd say the wind is? what? 596: High from the south we'd say back this way. Interviewer: Alright and suppose it was coming kind of that direction. 596: Well we kind of south east. Interviewer: Alright and about that 596: #1 direction. # Interviewer: #2 north uh # 596: South west. Interviewer: Alright and then that direction? 596: North east. Interviewer: And that 596: #1 direction? # Interviewer: #2 North west. # Which of the four directions do you get the most storms from? 596: Seem like get the most storms out of south west seem like. Interviewer: South west? 596: Yeah. Seem like to me they do. Might be wrong. Interviewer: Are there? Some people have said that they seem to come from one 596: #1 direction more than another # Interviewer: #2 yes yeah yeah. # Um if the wind was very high during the night you might say all night long the wind just? 596: Yeah. Mm-hmm. It just blew all night. The next morning it's kind of a moderate yeah. Interviewer: Alright if if the wind has been blowing really hard and then it starts to get less you'd say the wind is doing what? 596: Ceasing. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 596: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: That wind was really bad but it has what even harder than that? That wind was bad but it has? 596: Let me see how would I fix that now? The wind was bad but it could be worse. Interviewer: {NW} Okay {NW} Auxillary: She said yes. Interviewer: Yeah um using the word blow 596: #1 Blow yeah. # Interviewer: #2 You'd say # The wind blew hard yesterday but it has... A lot harder than that. 596: Yeah well it has blew harder than that. Interviewer: Okay that heavy white mist that comes up out of the ground you know you walk outside and you cant you cant see across the road. \: Yeah. {C: 596 speaking but the program won't let me change it} Interviewer: That is? 596: Fog. Interviewer: And you might walk out and say look how... 596: Yeah that's fog it's gonna disappear. Interviewer: Or it sure is what this morning? 596: It sure is cleared up. Interviewer: No I'm talking about it being there. 596: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 You say it sure is fo-? # 596: Foggy. Yeah. Interviewer: Alright. 596: Sure is foggy. Interviewer: If no rain comes for weeks and weeks you'd say we're having a real? 596: Drought. Interviewer: Alright if I said dry spell would that be less than... 596: Well it would be a dry spell. I'd use it about as well as saying a drought. Interviewer: No I like drought. {NW} but I'm trying to find out if if somebody I'm wondering if it you can have a dry spell for a certain length of time and then you know if it doesn't rain say if it went on if you if it hadn't rained for two weeks {NW} would that be a drought? 596: No, that would be no drought. Interviewer: What about three weeks? 596: Well it would begin to be dry then sure don't call it drought but two weeks... well it it's not really some time we can hardly stand two weeks some time if the if the plants use the water and all the sudden it quit and right at the time the plants are trying to make why two weeks is a pretty good while see now got you a rain each week we think we think it'd do better but we never know when to think that Interviewer: #1 yeah # 596: #2 I see. # Interviewer: Does it rain does it get dry here very much? 596: No. Yes I m- at times it do but this year we haven't had no long drought this year. The longest we had was back there in June I think. Ah wasn't it about well about three weeks. We haven't had no long drought this year. Interviewer: It must rain fairly much then. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah um we were talking about the wind a minute ago and I asked you the question about if it had been blowing real 596: #1 hard you'd say it was ceasing. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah, yeah. # Suppose it hadn't been blowing at all and then it started to blow you'd say the wind is doing what? 596: Rising. Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 596: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: And thinking about that word you just said the wind is rising. 596: Yeah it's rising. Interviewer: What do you say the sun does in the morning? 596: Why sun rises. Interviewer: Alright do you ever say comes up? 596: Why sometimes we say the sun's coming up. Yeah mostly we say the sun rising. Interviewer: Alright and you'd say thinking about that. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: You'd say every morning we go out to work before 596: Before the sun rise. Interviewer: #1 Or before the sun come up. # 596: #2 Alright and then. # Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 596: #2 Okay and... # Interviewer: we work until... 596: The sun go down. Used to do it, don't now. Interviewer: Well {NW} Do you ever call that sundown? 596: Yessum. Sunset. Interviewer: #1 Sunset, that's be what you'd say probably? # 596: #2 Yeah. Yeah. # Sunset. Interviewer: I'm gonna work 'til sunset. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: Or I did. Um what kind of weather would it be in the fall... There's a big car. 596: Yeah it sure is. Interviewer: Um in the fall you know there are some pretty days that come where the sun's shining and the weather is nice and cool and you say it's the kind of weather you like to be outside in. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: You'd say um this morning it's rather... 596: Um it's the weather's yet pretty. Interviewer: It's pretty yeah. 596: Yeah we why we say this morning the weather is beautiful. Interviewer: #1 I guess we'd say we use it like that # 596: #2 I guess I'm not asking that very well # Interviewer: What I'm thinking about is an expression like uh the weather is brisk 596: #1 {D: or chilly or snapey or airish or} # Interviewer: #2 yeah yeah that more that's right, yeah. # 596: Yeah. Interviewer: Which one? What would you be like? 596: Sometime if it it's a little cooler than usual. We say it's kinda snappy this morning. We say. Interviewer: {NW} Good. Good. If it was cold enough to kill your tomatoes and your flowers you might say last night we had a... 596: A cold night or we had a freeze last night. Interviewer: Alright and uh talking about that white stuff you know that comes #1 appears # 596: #2 uh frost. # Yeah. Interviewer: Alright is there a frost that will kill and one that won't? 596: Well according with how the weather'd be now a moon shining night all night. Frost don't do much killing. But now if it's a dark night it'll kill it or if it's a wet night. You know just like it rain that day and throughout the night cold why come a frost that night it'll kill most anything. Interviewer: I see. Would that be a killing frost? 596: That what you call a killing frost. Interviewer: Alright and would you call the other one any kind of 596: #1 frost a certain kind or just a frost? # Interviewer: #2 No no ma'am now the white # 596: moonlight night we call it a jack frost but it didn't hurt nothing much Interviewer: I see. 596: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Have you ever # heard the terms white frost and black frost? 596: Yessum I heard that. Interviewer: What does that refer to? 596: Well I uh black frost it mean I think it's just like I was talking about a while ago it's just all a sudden it come up after a rain or something like that and clear out all. And they call that a black frost. Yeah. Interviewer: Does it kill? 596: Yes ma'am that's killing. Interviewer: That's a killing? 596: Yeah that's a killing frost. Interviewer: I see. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: Um it was so cold last night the lake did what? 596: Higher than I? Interviewer: It was so cold last night that our lake? {NW} what? Did what? 596: Let me see it was so cold last night. That I'd like to freeze or froze or something like that. Interviewer: Yeah would you ever say froze over? 596: Yessum I'd say I liked it. I'd say if it cold That I thought I would freeze Interviewer: #1 or something like that # 596: #2 Well I'm thinking about water right now. # Interviewer: Say you have a pond. 596: Yessum. Interviewer: Okay would you ever say it was so cold last night that the pond froze over? 596: Yessum that's right. Interviewer: Well now I'm trying to kind out if froze over means all really all the way across or just around the edges? 596: Well... Interviewer: If you had just you know like a little skim of ice around the edges would you ever say froze over? 596: No'm that wouldn't be froze over. That'd be froze but it wouldn't be froze over. That'd be froze in part. But it wouldn't be froze over. Interviewer: Okay froze over means 596: {NW} all over the whole pond. Froze over. Yeah. But now you see ice around the edges, which it will freeze around the edges first well that's, that just froze. But it didn't freeze over. Interviewer: Okay and uh the room in some houses people have a special room where they my goodness what's that? He's just a little kid isn't he? 596: Yessum that's right he riding though. Interviewer: {NW} I don't think that's too safe {NW}. In some houses they have a room where they entertain company. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: You know you'll have a special room. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: And you know we were talking about in your house 596: #1 House right I see # Interviewer: #2 that that they had the # bedroom back in the old days {NW} but now what did they what would they have now? 596: Oh just a room they call it a I forget so much when I'm at my age slipped up on me Interviewer: I don't think you've forgotten anything. I don't know what you're excusing yourself for. 596: Uh uh living room. Interviewer: #1 Okay that # 596: #2 That we call living room. # Interviewer: Living room. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: Alright. 596: That's what I was trying to say the whole time but I didn't got. It got away from me. Interviewer: You haven't forgotten a thing I don't know what in the world you're excusing yourself for. You remem- remember more than I do. about from yesterday um But the house that that you grew up in. 596: #1 People didn't have just a house # Interviewer: #2 No they didn't have living room # 596: #1 couldn't have extra room # Interviewer: #2 anywhere # 596: Anywhere in there was living room. Anywhere you could get to living. Interviewer: {NW} That's right. {NW} Okay um if something happened on this exact day last year you might say it happened exactly 596: One year ago. Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 596: #2 That's right. # Interviewer: You move over here where I was alright we were talking about um syrup and you might say that's not imitation syrup it's 596: Pure syrup. Interviewer: Or it's gen- 596: Genuine syrup. Interviewer: Alright in the old days sugar used to be sold loose 596: #1 mm-hmm that's right. # Interviewer: #2 And you say it was sold in # 596: #1 in # Interviewer: #2 what in # 596: In pound packages you in book uh in book packages. Interviewer: Okay and that was referring to it was loose. What do you have on the table usually to season food with? 596: Well salt as most things. Season most anything with salt. Anything that needs salt in it. Yeah you can just hardly eat it without the salt being in it. Interviewer: Okay you usually have two shakers there. 596: Yessum salt and pepper. Interviewer: Alright. If there's a bowl of fruit on the table and there's an apple there and a child wants an apple he might say to his mother Mama gi-- 596: Give me an apple that what he'd say. Interviewer: Alright. 596: Any more he would say give me an orange give me the apple. Interviewer: {NW} Alright um if you have {NW} pardon me if you have a lot of peach trees for example or apple trees you'd say you have an apple what? 596: An apple tree. Interviewer: Yeah a lot of them in a group would be a 596: Uh you mean to say uh Interviewer: A group of 'em together you'd have um Mrs.{B} referred to hers one day to me she had a bunch of uh pecan trees and she said she had a pecan 596: Oh you orchard. That's what you was talking about. Interviewer: #1 Yeah that's what I was thinking of. # 596: #2 Orchard. Orchard yeah. # Interviewer: Oh do they have any maple trees around here? 596: No. Not no maple trees around here. Interviewer: You wouldn't know a name then possibly for a group of maple trees. 596: No'm I sure wouldn't. Interviewer: Inside a cherry talking about now fruits inside a cherry there's a little hard thing that you don't eat. 596: That's right yeah. That's the seed. Interviewer: And the inside of a peach? 596: The seed the kernel. Interviewer: #1 We call it... yeah that's the kernel. # 596: #2 That's the kernel? # Interviewer: Alright um inside an apple. 596: Why they have the small the small seeds in that. Interviewer: The part you throw away. 596: Oh that's a core of the apple. Interviewer: Alright there are two real kinds of peaches based on how they, how the seeds are. 596: Yeah. Uh I mean different kind of peaches Interviewer: Yeah two different kinds not talking about varieties. 596: no. Interviewer: But two kinds talking about how easy it is to get the seeds out. 596: {D: Why oh you mean the clair seed. We call it clair seed.} and the clingstone. Interviewer: Yeah that's what I was thinking of. {D: Now the clair seed is the} 596: One that you burst open and the seed pre- yeah Interviewer: comes right out. 596: Right yeah. Interviewer: Did you ever cut up any apples or peaches and lay them outside to dry? 596: Yes ma'am. Interviewer: What do you call those? 596: Dried apples or dried peaches. Interviewer: They ever call 'em snips in this part of town? 596: Yessum or they call them maybe they call them something like that yeah. You have to get 'em dry. Of course more so we just call them dried apples and dried peaches. Yeah. Interviewer: What about the kind of nuts that you pull up out of the ground and roast? are what? 596: yeah that's peanuts. Interviewer: Alright any other names for those? 596: {D: Pindars. {NW} Googlers.} Interviewer: If you went to the store to buy them what would you expect them to be called? 596: Peanuts. Interviewer: Right. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: Alright um There's another. What kind of nuts do they have around here let me ask that question 596: Uh you mean Interviewer: Just that grow around here nuts. 596: Well we have peanuts and in this part of the country that's about all they grow around here Growing pecans or like they have pecans and a few why no no walnuts you don't find no walnuts in this part of the country. And hickory nuts a few of them. That's not like it used to be. Interviewer: There's another kind of nut that you find at 596: #1 Christmas a lot of times little flat. # Interviewer: #2 chestnut. # 596: Oh it's an almond. Interviewer: Alright do they they don't 596: #1 grow around here # Interviewer: #2 no ma'am no ma'am. # Oh a walnut when you start to get down to the goody the first thing you have to take off is a soft 596: You gotta take off that all that hull often a walnut you take the hull off first then better be sure to dry when you do that Interviewer: Really? 596: Yessum because when you go to bust into it why uh you can't stand all that. Interviewer: Mm. Uh the uh then the hard part that you actually take the hull off then there's a hard part that's the 596: That's right yeah. Interviewer: That's the um {NW} 596: uh what's you call it the meat of it's in that hard part Interviewer: Yeah what's the hard part called? 596: I don't know who to ask that I don't know I don't know whether you call that a shell well that first thing you take off is a hull I reckon. And the next is the shell. Interviewer: Okay and then you go to the goody. 596: That's right. Interviewer: Alright there's a kind of fruit about it's kind of the size of an apple only the skin is kind of like a lemon you squeeze them to get juice out. 596: Well that's a lime yeah I reckon. Interviewer: No it's bigger than a lemon or a lime. It's not a grapefruit but you squeeze it to get juice. 596: Well I don't know let me see you talking about an orange Interviewer: Yes that's what I'm talking about. 596: {X} I started to say I don't know where you're going with it. Interviewer: If the uh if mrs.{B} sent you to the store to get some and you didn't find any there you'd come home and say well I didn't buy any became the oranges were all 596: Well they's all gone or they's all out. Interviewer: Do you know something I think we're gonna have another rain. 596: It's gonna be a shower baby. Yep right back there sure is. It's coming. Interviewer: Sure is isn't it Uh what kind of vegetables do you grow in your garden here 596: Well first thing I'm gonna think about okra. beans different kind of beans butter beans pole beans collards wild tomatoes and uh maybe turnips mustards just anything like that Interviewer: okay good um you've mentioned tomatoes is there a special name for those tiny little tomatoes? 596: Yessum those little old we uh oh I we call 'em little old what now? Plum tomatoes we call them plum tomatoes. Interviewer: Plum tomatoes yes. 596: That rain done got ya. Your glasses... Interviewer: Oh I do have my {X} out there too 596: Got here quick. Interviewer: Sure did. I been wasting your` time. 596: No we just we just come on back. Interviewer: What would you call this thing? 596: A quick shower. Interviewer: Okay. 596: This a quick shower. Interviewer: Very emphasis on the quick. 596: Yep that's right. Quick shower. Interviewer: I guess I need my sunglasses anymore do I? 596: I didn't have any time to run my glasses up like you. {D} Interviewer: Yeah mine's out there getting wet but I'll just let it get wet and dry it off. 596: Mm-hmm I see. Interviewer: I don't think this is gonna last 596: No'm I don't think oh look at the flowers broken all back here you come right back here Interviewer: Did you ever hear those little tiny tomatoes called tiny toes? 596: Yessum yes. Interviewer: {D: Are they smaller than a floam tomato?} 596: No you ask me about the size no You'll hear some of them a little smaller than others little old tomatoes. These sour than the others these too. Interviewer: Is it? 596: Yeah these got a lot of acid in them. Interviewer: Ah. It's a kind of vegetable that grows underground and when you um chop it up sometimes it makes you cry. 596: Um artichoke? Interviewer: No this is uh um some of them are big and some of them are little when you slice them they sometimes make you cry sometimes. 596: You ain't talking about Irish potatoes? Interviewer: No but I am going to ask you about those. What are the two kinds of potatoes? 596: Well uh one is called a triumph. And the other one's uh A white potato I don't know what you call that You about to get wet ain't ye? Interviewer: No I'm doing fine just as good. Are you? 596: No'm I just know the water comes Interviewer: It's just running across here I'm not getting wet in fact it feels good. uh the um I'm thinking about another kind of potato other than an Irish potato. 596: A sweet potato. Interviewer: Yeah now um Did you ever hear a special name for a sweet potato that had a kind of a dark purple skin? 596: Yessum Yes I hardly forget the name of it now you take your um sweet potato {X} then have a Puerto Rican triumph and all like that you know Interviewer: I see. What's a yam? 596: Well there's different kind of yams you know. Interviewer: Are they different from sweet potatoes? 596: No'm they all the same. They's all sweet potatoes but they've just got a different name. Interviewer: I think but if I said yams and sweet potatoes in general would be the same thing 596: Yeah. Some's yellow yams some's white. some's kind of a a kind of an orange color. But they all sweet potatoes Interviewer: They are. 596: Y'all all sweet potatoes now. Interviewer: okay um there's a little red vegetable that people sometimes put in salads. When you bite into them they kinda burn your tongue 596: You talking about peppers? Interviewer: {D: no this is round and red.} grows underground. 596: Under the ground? Interviewer: Beg your pardon? 596: They actually grow under the ground? Interviewer: Yes sir. 596: That might be something we don't grow in this town. Interviewer: Oh I bet you do. Radish? 596: Radish exactly. (NW) Radish. Interviewer: You do grow them. 596: That's right we grow radish yeah. oh dear. Interviewer: I still haven't found out about th one that has the strong odor. and it um makes tears come to your eyes when you slice them sometimes people cook them or fry them with liver 596: Let me see. One thing. Do we grow that here too? Interviewer: I don't. I would think so. You can put 'em you start them out with sets 596: Oh onions. Interviewer: Ah-ha. 596: Onion oh yeah. Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah that's right # 596: #2 {D: It was the set that did it didn't it} # And onions you cry in the eyes. They sure will make you cry in the eyes. Interviewer: What would those little onions, you know the little ones the little ones that have the green tops You eat some of the green, what what are those 596: They multiply. Interviewer: Yeah what how do you what do you call those 596: Well they just little onion it it grow up there and it get up there so far it makes a bud them onion might flower right there on top of it Interviewer: When you're talking about growing those do you call them though green onions or spring onions or 596: I guess so. Yeah but they have to get up so high the others make another bunch of onions you see multiplying onions Interviewer: Did you ever hear the uh term evergreen onions? 596: Yessum evergreens. Interviewer: What is that 596: No ma'am evergreen onion is just a green onion and it stays green might well say year round it would it gets so hot you know it would stay green they stay green longer than the average onion would Interviewer: And this how big is the onion part 596: Well it don't get it's kind of a long onion It's gonna be that big around but he's long got long roots Interviewer: I see. 596: Yeah got long roots. Interviewer: Do you ever eat any of the top of it? 596: Yes we eat the top of it Yeah it would be pretty good very good. Interviewer: Alright um if you leave an apple lying around You'll say that the skin of that apply will what 596: Will rot Interviewer: Or before that it'll get it will 596: It will shrivel up or ruin like this Interviewer: Alright fine uh have you ever heard of the pie plant? 596: What kind of plant? Interviewer: A pie plant. 596: A pie plant pie plant Interviewer: That bring anything to your mind? 596: Pie plant. I might have or or or you grew a small plant Interviewer: Uh I don't know I just ran across the term and uh nobody knew if it was another name for something else or or it was something you grew apparently 596: No a pie plant it ain't nothing to that I don't think. We call them we call them sheeps (X) The little ol' plant just grow about just grow in the ground a little old Interviewer: About six inches high or so 596: Yeah something like that and little old spotty leaves looks like a leaf and them little leaves is sour Interviewer: They are? Do they have a fruit on it? 596: No it don't have no fruit on it. And some call them um people make pies out of them you know Interviewer: Pies out of what? The leaves? 596: Them little leaves out from under that little plant Interviewer: Really, now what did you call that? 596: We call them sheep soil Interviewer: Sheep soil 596: Yeah sheep soil it might be just we shouldn't before we heard that we didn't know any better we'd just say it Interviewer: Well that's what I'm looking for that 596: Sheep soil Interviewer: And they they cook the leaves? 596: Yessum and it is sour as any kind of just as sour as a quince Interviewer: Ma'am {X} doing it used to be fine to eat really? Eat the leaves raw? 596: Yeah that's right. Interviewer: Uh let's see there's another kind of vegetable I don't remember your mentioning it but um there's some what are some leafy vegetables that come in heads 596: Uh cabbage, lettuce and um Interviewer: Okay if you were gonna describe the fact that you had um the cabbage in your garden and you were gonna talk about how big they were you'd say those 596: Those cabbages X I got some cabbages out there the biggest ones the heads of 'em as big as my head or something like that Interviewer: Okay. I noticed you just used the expression and I use it a lot too out yonder 596: Yeah that's right that's right Interviewer: You're thinking about yonder 596: Yeah out yonder Interviewer: Could you say my car is out yonder Would that sound right. 596: Well it wouldn't sound right but we could use it like that out yonder well it that would be alright Interviewer: okay um if I ask you where Mrs. lives like I did you could say that she lives Would you say she lives right up yonder? 596: Yessum I'd say she lives right up yonder in that house the next house up there Interviewer: Okay would you ever use yonder to talk about something real close to you? like say this plant right here 596: #1 That's about four feet away from you. Would you ever say that plant right yonder? # Interviewer: #2 No. No. # 596: Well I would say it like that maybe yeah. Interviewer: Talking about that one you'd say that plant right yonder 596: Yeah. Interviewer: Like that to point it out. 596: yeah. Interviewer: Alright I was trying to figure out you know how far yonder might be \: Well that's right because it's made you you know {C: 596 speaking but the program won't let me change it} 596: It could be right at you or something like that right yonder. Interviewer: What about saying in Brookhaven? Would you say over yonder in Brookhaven or down yonder in Brookhaven? 596: Well I'd say over in Brookhaven. Interviewer: You would, you wouldn't think yonder 596: No I wouldn't be I wouldn't say over yonder Interviewer: Okay. 596: That's over in Brookhaven. Interviewer: Would yonder be something maybe if it's out of your sight? uh like say well I don't know how to say it but Say there's a house up that road because there probably is but you can't see it from here. Would you ever say that house up yonder? 596: Yessum say it like that. Interviewer: Even though you couldn't see the house? 596: But I'd be telling you that house up yonder beyond those trees up yonder Interviewer: I see okay that's fine uh The things I get let's see which way when you're talking about where something is now you said over in Brookhaven right and you say I'm thinking about up down over you know 596: And out and all that yeah. Interviewer: Uh huh where would I what's out? From here. 596: Well let's see. Interviewer: I don't know the places around here so it's kind of hard for me to say. You said Mrs.{B} house would be up yonder And would around this road up there be up yonder too? 596: That's right anybody up yonder from here to where you turn yeah. {NW} Interviewer: {D: Uh what about Bubbachetta. If someone was in Bubbachetta you'd say he?} 596: {D: We we we say down in Bubbachetta.} Interviewer: {D: Down in Bubbachetta?} 596: {D: Down to Bubbachetta.} {D: It's down from here. it's between here and McComb.} {D: We say down in Bubbachetta.} Interviewer: Alright what about Jackson? 596: We say up. Up in Jackson. Interviewer: okay. That's right. 596: Out in Monticello. Interviewer: Out in Monticello? 596: Yeah out in Monticello. Interviewer: Which way's Monticello from here? 596: It's east from here. Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 596: #2 East from here is out # South-East like yeah Interviewer: #1 I see. Monticello. Out in Monticello. # 596: #2 Out in Monticello. # Interviewer: Is there anything else you'd be out in? How's summit? Summit would be where?` 596: It down. Interviewer: #1 Down in summit. # 596: #2 Down in summit. Uh. # Interviewer: What about um 596: Weston up at Weston. Weston. Interviewer: Weston's up this way? 596: Yeah that's right yeah. It's up it's just like going to Jackson all time on the road. Interviewer: I see. {D: Uh what about Hattiesburg?} 596: {D: Well that's out. Out in Hattiesburg.} Interviewer: And Laurel? 596: Out in Laural that's right that's right. Interviewer: I see so things going back East tend to be out. 596: Out that's right. Interviewer: Alright now talking about things though just in this area. Does it have anything to do with whether they're you know up a hill from you you know you said around here everything seems to be up 596: Yessum that's right. Interviewer: Is there anything higher really than 596: #1 right here. # Interviewer: #2 Yessum yessum around here most # 596: We well this house is is kind of a is kind of sitting in kind of a low place and any way you leave this house you kinda going upgrade this way uh this way uh maybe any way Course no roads go up that way but still it's upgrade any way you leave this house. not this you is going at due south back that way. Interviewer: I see. Alright um you mentioned beans. When you want to get beans out of pods you have to do what to them? 596: Why you have to shell 'em if you're gonna get them out of the pods. Interviewer: Uh you mentioned butter beans. Are they the same as lima beans? 596: Yessum butter bean is a lima. Butter bean is a quite butter bean is called a lima bean quite butter bean. Interviewer: And what do they call those yellow green beans? You know those string beans? 596: Yessum. uh that's right. Maybe Kentucky wonders or maybe a crease back. Or something like that. Interviewer: They're all varieties of what kind of beans? 596: Um. You mean what variety are they? Interviewer: Yeah they're all varieties. But you'd say talking about them just generally you'd say they're all what? 596: All yessum they's all varieties of beans that mean different kinds. Interviewer: Would you just say beans or would you say snap beans? 596: #1 While we would say # Interviewer: #2 Or string beans or green beans # 596: If we was talking about pole beans we'd say pole beans That way you've got they run up on a pole. Interviewer: beans or you get green beans on. 596: Well that's pole. Pole butter beans you say. Yeah and there's pole string beans. And they're bush string beans. Bush. You know the little old bush by the house. Well now that's... Interviewer: You'd call those bush string beans? 596: yessum that's right. bush string beans. but the string bean but it's still the bush bean it don't. instead of reaching up you've gotta reach down to get it. Interviewer: NW. Uh you take the tops of turnips. and cook 'em and you make a mess of. The tops of turnips. 596: Yes that's right. {X} before they get them the roots on 'em they call them uh salad. Yeah. The salad farm. Before the roots is on 'em. When they get the roots on they call them turnips. At the same time it's a turnip from the beginning. but you just call 'em turnips as they get the root on 'em. Interviewer: I see. 596: Yeah that's right. Interviewer: When you're talking about lettuce. you know to think that it comes in a head. if you've got two bunches of lettuce you'd say you've got two what of lettuce? 596: Two two heads of lettuce. Interviewer: Do you ever hear anyone use that expression about children? I've got three head of children. Anyone you ever use that or hear anything? 596: Well folks usually say I've got I got three head like that they don't really You could have said I've got three children. instead of i got three head they got bodies too. Interviewer: NW Would sir have you ever heard anybody say I got three head referring to children? 596: Well I've heard them say I got three head. They got the whole body. Interviewer: If somebody has a lot of children you might say he has a whole what of children? 596: I think he got a whole group of children. Interviewer: Okay what about a word that begins with a p. he's got a whole p- of kids? 596: Oh I- Interviewer: Or children. 596: I don't know. You can call children so much different thing you Interviewer: You ever use I got a whole passel of children? 596: yessum that's right yeah. Interviewer: Oh I just wondered if you would ever use that. 596: No'm I never did use that word. I just say he got a whole bunch of children I'd say. Interviewer: okay. 596: Got a bunch of children. Interviewer: Talking about corn. the stuff on the outside of an ear of corn are the 596: That's the shuck. With enclosed air shuck. Interviewer: Alright and what's the kind of corn you eat on the cob? 596: Well that's uh sweet corn we call it that's uh it's sweet corn we call that sweet corn. Interviewer: Did you ever hear that called roasting? 596: Yeah roasting yeah. Yeah roasting yeah. Interviewer: Same thing. 596: Same thing. Interviewer: Ever hear of mutton corn? 596: No'm I don't believe I did hear no mutton corn. Interviewer: The top of a corn stalk is the? 596: see the top? Interviewer: The top of the corn stalk. 596: Well the top of the corn which tosses the toss would be at the top Interviewer: Alright and there's some stringy stuff on the ear of the corn that you have to brush off? 596: Ah that's silk. Interviewer: Alright. Uh there's a large round vegetable or fruit I don't know which that children at Halloween make Jack-o-Lanterns out of. That is a.. 596: that's an old pumpkin. Interviewer: And there's a small yellow crook-necked vegetable. 596: Yeah that's old squash you eat the cushion off Interviewer: okay they're not the same thing? 596: No. No. Interviewer: What kind of melons do you raise around here? 596: uh Watermelons. Yes it is. What you call jar of the rattlesnake and anything like that. {B} collectively sweet and. Or that good kind we use late out of date now. Congo. And all sorts of this and that Interviewer: Do they ever have ones that are yellow on the inside? 596: Yes ma'am yellow-meat watermelons. Interviewer: Are they good? 596: They're good. Really better than the red meat melons. Interviewer: Are they? 596: Sure enough. Interviewer: Uh what about uh uh a kind of melon that had a kind of uh yellow skin on the outside? 596: A mush-melon, mush-melon. Interviewer: Alright. 596: Yeah cantaloupes. Interviewer: Are they the same things? mush-melons and cantaloupes? 596: Yes ma'am about the same thing. Of course a cantaloupe is a little old round melon about as big as uh little bigger than a grapefruit. and a cantaloupe is um I mean a mush-melon uh pretty good size but a cantaloupe thats a little something like a grapefruit. That's a cantaloupe. Interviewer: Are they the same color? 596: yessum bout the same. 'Bout the same color. But one a mush-melon just grow bigger than a canta- than the cantaloupe. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a pine melon? 596: Yessum I Interviewer: What are they? I just ran across them 596: It ain't nothing to them much. It look like a watermelon they got you fooled you think you cut a watermelon you can't stick a knife in it Interviewer: {D: Somebody said you have to use an axe to split 'em.} 596: Why they do is chop 'em over there you got to chop 'em or you ain't got nothing. Interviewer: Why would you want to chop it open? 596: Well it's. Well they say they make pie out of them but I eh. Yeah I wouldn't make pie. Interviewer: What's what do they look like on the inside? 596: Well they look like a watermelon, green watermelon. Interviewer: You mean they're g- the inside if green? 596: Yes when the watermelon not ripe. Well it look like watermelon not ripe you know. you see it's just white inside just like a but it ain't no it ain't no... Interviewer: Does it grow wild or do people.. 596: no there's folk they plant 'em they raise 'em pine melon. You see a patch of them you think you see got a patch of watermelon but it ain't a thing but pine melon. Interviewer: Pine melons? 596: You can't bust one hardly, you just can't bust one. I ain't got no need for 'em. Interviewer: I get it anything you can't eat like. 596: No'm I hmm-mm. Interviewer: Uh there's something that springs up out in the in the yard after it's rained you know little things little small things that are white and kind of umbrella shaped. 596: Mushroom. Interviewer: Ah is there anything else you call, what do you call the kind you can't eat? 596: We used to call them frog stools we used to call them. I don't know what they was now we named them frog stools. Interviewer: now can you eat mushrooms? 596: Well they say that some people in Atlanta eat 'em but I don't know. I ain't never eat no mushroom. They say they're good they they say I don't know they may they cook um some kinda way but I don't know I don't. Interviewer: Alright now if you saw one out in your yard you think you'd be more likely to call it a frog stool or a mushroom? 596: Well we and a mush a mushroom come up anywhere out there a little mushroom come up if you want to see them other thing you just oh I don't know it would take your time to grow. It won't grow up overnight like a mushroom will. Interviewer: Oh they won't. 596: No they uh grow along slow and then they get hard there. And you can hardly {X}. Interviewer: How big are they? Are they bigger than mushrooms? 596: Yes ma'am bigger than mushrooms. Interviewer: Do they grow on trees ever? 596: No'm they generally you see them grow around in the ground. Around next to an old bush or old stump or something. Like that. Interviewer: I see. 596: Yeah. Yeah they sort of like if you ever used to see a a stirrup where you from people used to step up in a buggy you might never seen no buggies I don't know. Interviewer: Only in movies as I recall. 596: Yeah. Why to have a stirrup we'd step up onto a buggy. Well old frog stool grow up on something like that. It got a stem on it. it got a kinda hollow thing in it yeah. Interviewer: I see. 596: You don't see that now though. You used to see it a long time ago. Interviewer: I think maybe we had one in our back year once. Because my son took it to school and it was about this high. And it had a pretty thick stem on it. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: It was a big heavy thing. 596: Yeah they grow like that sometimes. Interviewer: Um if a man had a sore throat so the inside of his throat was all swollen. You'd say uh he couldn't eat that piece of milk- meat because he couldn't... he could chew it but he couldn't... 596: But he couldn't swallow. Interviewer: Alright. {NW}. Alright. {NW}. What two things do people smoke mostly? Not pipes but two other things? 596: A cigarette? And um Cigar. Interviewer: Alright um. If someone offers to do you a favor you say Well I appreciate that but I don't wanna be... 596: You say well I appreciate that offer but I don't care for what you're offering me. Maybe offer you a maybe you didn't smoke or something. They offer you a cigarette or cigar or something. Well I think just the same or I just don't care for the cigars you got. Interviewer: Alright I'm thinking more about an expression you might use when somebody offers to do something for you. 596: Yeah. Interviewer: But you don't want to have to pay them back. You might say well thank you but I don't wanna be 596: Well I'd say this Thank you for your kindness or maybe like that but I can make out without you or something like that. Interviewer: Alright would you ever say I don't wanna be obligated or 596: Well that's right you could say it like that yeah. Interviewer: How are you likely to say it? 596: Well I'll be alright I just don't wanna be obligated. Well you know you were the one telling me you didn't wanna be obligated telling 'em like this. Interviewer: Yeah I guess that's something maybe you don't want to say. 596: Yes. {NW}. Interviewer: Alright did you ever hear the the older people use beholden? 596: Yessum. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Beholden instead of obligated. 596: Yeah that's right they show you what I ain't gonna be or I ain't beholden to him or like that yeah I hear them use that word. Interviewer: Alright uh and something else you might say to someone when you're thanking them you might say th- to make it you know a little bit more than just thank you. You might say well uh thank you I much I'm much uh 596: Much obliged. Interviewer: Alright. Alright. Um. Someone might say to you Will you do that? And you might say no I... 596: Then I would say no I won't do that. Interviewer: Alright if you had to do something all yourself that was hard to do and a friend was standing there watching you but he didn't help you {NW} Well you might get a little mad at him and you might turn around and say... Well instead of standing around there you might 596: You didn't loan no helping hand you just stood around you seen I was couldn't hardly make it and you didn't offer to help me. Interviewer: Alright if someone asks you about doing something you might say I'm not sure but I 596: I'll try. Interviewer: Alright do you ever use might could? 596: Yessum I might can I might could but I'll try then they say it sometimes. Don't say you'll try. Just say you're going to do so and so I say well I don't know what I'm gonna do. {NW} But I will if I can. Interviewer: What kind of bird that can see in the dark? 596: Owl. Interviewer: Alright are there several kinds of those? 596: Yeah some of them is horned own and screech owl and and uh thats about all I know. Interviewer: And what's the big kind that goes who who who? 596: That's a horned owl. Interviewer: That's the horned owl? 596: Yeah horned owl. Interviewer: Alright have you ever heard let's see the the the other kind was the what? 596: #1 The shivering owl. We call it the shivering. {D} # Interviewer: #2 The which owl? Yeah. # yeah I was gonna ask about that expression. 596: Yeah little old little old screech owl. Interviewer: And they're the same thing? 596: Yeah a little old screech owl and a shivering owl they about the same thing. They uh they uh fly around over your head and snap and move on like that but he ain't gonna bother you but then he may pretend like he gone do do something to you. Interviewer: Is there any kind of a superstition about those shivering owls? 596: Well what they say. Interviewer: What do they say? 596: Well they say when you hear a shivering owl holler come by that is something gonna happen to you or that kind of stuff you know. Interviewer: I take it you're not too superstitious. 596: No'm. {NW}. No. I generally when one come around me like that I make something happen to them pretty quick. Interviewer: Oh. {NW}. Oh my. What kind of bird drills holes in trees? 596: Ah that's a pecker wood. Interviewer: Alright are there ki- different kinds of those? 596: Yessum. There's different kinds. Interviewer: Uh what is that great big one? 596: That's a yellow hammer. No it ain't uh uh {D: henwood we call him.} Interviewer: {D: A henwood?} 596: {D: Henwood.} Interviewer: Now is this? What what does he look like? 596: Why he's a long he's a some got a top knot. with a long beard long legs and... Interviewer: Has he got a red head? 596: Yessum a red head. Yeah that {D: That's what we we call henwoods.} Interviewer: {D: A henwood?} 596: {D: And or a ginnywood hen.} Interviewer: {D: A ginnywood hen?} 596: {D: Ginnywood hen. That's right.} Interviewer: {D: Hmm. I've gotta write that down.} I hadn't heard that one before. 596: {D: A ginnywood hen.} Interviewer: {D: A ginnywood hen.} 596: That's right. We might have made that name but that's what we've always called it. Interviewer: That's a good thing. I heard someone up around Jackson tell me that they referred to that big one as the lord god. 596: #1 Well our folks call. Yessum I heard that. # Interviewer: #2 Have y'all heard that expression? # 596: I sure heard them saying one. Interviewer: Have you? 596: Yeah. Interviewer: #1 I've heard that. # 596: #2 Ma'am. # Auxillary: We call 'em good gods. Interviewer: Good gods? Auxillary: Tell you to remember always good you say well {X} {D}. Good gods. 596: And that and that little old one that gets on the house and pick away {NW} on the house. That's a woodpecker. Interviewer: That's a woodpecker? 596: That's a red-headed woodpecker. got them little tip on his wing. White tips on his wing. That's it. Interviewer: A a woodpecker and a pecker wood then are two different things? 596: No I thats about it. Well no, that's right. A woodpecker. And it and it little yellow hammer he pecks wood too. Interviewer: #1 He does? Is he a kind of woodpecker? # 596: #2 Yessum. # Interviewer: #1 Yessum he pecks wood. That's right he # 596: #2 Or pecker wood? # pecks wood too. Interviewer: What color is he? 596: He's a, he's a kind of a brown-yellow. Yeah. We call him a yellow hammer bird. And he's a kind of a Auxillary: They make the hole in the tree. 596: {NW}. Auxillary: He's the one that make a hole in the tree. 596: Well he makes in that old yellow hammer he pecks it just like that old red-head pecker wood. Interviewer: Another uh term that I heard about those big ones {D: you know the the ginnywood hen?} I heard someone call it a Indian hen. 596: #1 have you heard that expression? # Interviewer: #2 Well well I did, I don't know. Most... # 596: People call them most anything but that's talking about... Interviewer: but you haven't, you haven't heard that 596: #1 No. # Interviewer: #2 particular one? # 596: No'm, that's the same bird though. Interviewer: Yessir. Do you ever hear people called peckerwoods? What would that say about people? What kind of people? Are called peckerwoods? 596: Well... {NW} Kind of a a trashy person. In a way they's call him a peckerwood. Interviewer: Really? Did you ever use that expression or hear it used around here? 596: Ma'am? Interviewer: Did you ever use that expression? 596: No'm. I didn't. I don't, I don't... Interviewer: Okay. What kind of little animal has a bushy tail and plays around in the trees a lot? 596: A squirrel. Interviewer: What kind of those are around here? 596: Well the cat squirrel. And the fox squirrel. And little old flying squirrels. You know you seen a flying squirrel. Interviewer: No I haven't. I heard about them. 596: yeah. Interviewer: That's all. 596: Well he may stretch his wings out to fly and fly down way out yonder but he can't fly up. He got to crawl up a tree. Then fly out. Interviewer: I see. 596: That's right. He can't he can't fly up them trees right up in that. He got to crawl up that tree. Run up it. And fly out. Interviewer: {X} 596: You know right he's just like other squirrels though right but he can fly. Interviewer: What color is he? 596: He's brown. Interviewer: Brown. 596: Yeah little old brown squirrel. Ain't no bigger than a big rat but he's a... Interviewer: Is that right? 596: Yeah about like {X}.