Interviewer: {NS} Cuz I've seen that truck go up and down 596: Yeah {NW} Whole lot of passage {X} It works on each end {X} Interviewer: Oh really it has it has been a lot {X} Um do you ever hear a squirrel called a boomer? 596: I don't know not in this part of the country No Interviewer: And there's a kind of black and white animal that has a powerful smell. 596: That's a polecat. Interviewer: Are any other names for it? 596: Skunk. Interviewer: Alright they the same thing? 596: Yeah they the same thing. Interviewer: You ever hear them called a civic cat? 596: Yeah he's the same thing he stink as bad as an bull God damn Interviewer: Is he that same thing? 596: Yeah the same thing civic cat. Interviewer: He doesn't look any different? 596: No you can tell him you see {X} Interviewer: Alright there's something that looks a little bit like a squirrel but it doesn't climb trees real small and he has little stripes down his back. {X} 596: They don't climb tree there ain't many little thing that don't climb a tree Interviewer: A chipmunk. 596: Chipmunk that's right but I thought he climbed a tree too. Interviewer: I don't know does he? I mean I was told by someone that they didn't I was just checking {X} 596: See a chipmunk ain't a thing but a little monkey he just a little ol' monkey. You know a monkey can go up a tree if he wants to Interviewer: #1 oh yeah # 596: #2 # Well that's what a chipmunk is it's a little monkey. Interviewer: Does it have anything right here called a ground squirrel? 596: Yessum {X} a little brown strip he stays in the ground more or less and then but he comes out once in a while. Interviewer: Alright does he do they live around here? 596: Yessum around here briar patches you can find him round. Interviewer: Does he look like a squirrel? 596: Yessum he looks like a squirrel and a little {X} squirrel a little {X} squirrel he {X} he go in the ground {NW} {D: When he gassing he go in the ground a great to the ground that's where he goes} Interviewer: What kind of fish do they have around here? 596: Well what we have they called uh they called uh bass that's a trout fish, catfish and uh what you called these they have now {D: Brima uh brim brims uh} That's right different kind of fish like that. Interviewer: Okay did you go fishing very much? 596: No not much I used to but I don't hardly every go fishing now {NW} Interviewer: Uh there's a kind of seafood that um mixed pearls inside its shell those are 596: Yes uh You talking about of course {X} Oysters uh uh a mussel Interviewer: Yeah I was talking about they oysters 596: Yeah the mussel Interviewer: Oh there's another kind of seafood that's good to eat that you buy by the pound. 596: Yes uh tuna fish Interviewer: Well this is a kind of shellfish and they have them down along the gulf. 596: Yes and I heard it talking but I didn't see one Interviewer: Okay shrimp? 596: Yessum ah shrimp Interviewer: D'you ever eat any? 596: Yes ma'am I've eat shrimp Interviewer: Alright what croaks down around a creek? 596: Uh Well a bull frog does Interviewer: That's what I was thinking of 596: Yeah Interviewer: What are the different kinds of frogs that they would have? 596: Well we have we got toad frogs {NW} And we call them uh bull frogs most like cuz we got the little bull frog and we got the little big bull frog We got them with long legs Interviewer: Uh is a toad frog different from a bull frog? 596: Yes ma'am a toad frog he's the little ol' frog that hops around here warm nights Little bit ol' spider little bit ol' brown frog will hope around here at night. Interviewer: Does he live near the water? 596: No he hadn't used Interviewer: #1 He doesn't live near the water. # 596: #2 to the water # No he only had {X} Eggs and he lays eggs in the water but if that he through with them Interviewer: Oh um what about those little small green frogs 596: Uh tree frogs we call them Interviewer: Yeah are they the ones that are supposed to come out after a storm or 596: Yessum that's right Interviewer: Yeah uh 596: He like them vines you know they'll crawl out You see them sticking on the side of post or something Interviewer: Are there about a inch or a couple inches 596: Yessum Interviewer: long? Do hear those called thunder frogs? 596: Mm yeah thunder frogs I don't know Interviewer: Or rain frog 596: Rain frog yeah Interviewer: You hear of rain 596: Yeah you can hear them hardly that's that little ol' tree frog Interviewer: That's the same thing 596: Yeah that's the same little ol' frog Interviewer: Is there a superstition about them? 596: No I don't think Interviewer: Alright 596: I don't think Interviewer: When you go to uh go fishing what do you dig up? 596: Worms Interviewer: And what kind of worms? 596: Why do you call we call them earth worms We call them earth worm little ol' slimy little worm That's what we use to go fishing with Interviewer: Yeah did you are there different varieties of those 596: Yessum Now there's a one ol' worm you dig him up he he jump fast he jump you call him a jumper or something like that he Interviewer: Oh really 596: Yessum but now a regular ol' fishing earth worm he just a little ol' Common side worm Interviewer: I see, oh, What about um I forgot something about frogs 596: Yeah Interviewer: I ran into um a man over near Jackson told me that there was a kind of frog called a spring frog 596: Yessum Interviewer: Now what what's 596: Well that's a bull frog he spring way out when he jump That's what you call a spring Interviewer: Alright have you ever heard them called spring frog? 596: Yessum Interviewer: Is that the big bull frog? 596: No that's the little bull frog Interviewer: That's the little bull frog Are they green? 596: Yessum they're green Interviewer: Alright there's something that you find down in a creek A little thing with claws that runs backward in the water You're giggling what is that? {NW} 596: Craw fish {NW} Interviewer: People eat crawfish? 596: Yessum that's right Interviewer: Mm-kay you said that you had eaten shrimp 596: Yeah Interviewer: If you were going to buy some you'd go to the store and you'd say um Give me a few pounds of 596: Shrimp {NS} Interviewer: You know they have a law in Georgia about young kids riding minibikes or motorcycles. 596: Yeah Interviewer: They'll arrest them if they catch them out like that in the public road. 596: Sure enough Interviewer: Yeah 596: Now they passed a law here You've got to have a helmet on that he got on yeah {NW} Interviewer: Mm well that's a good start 596: Yeah that's right Interviewer: Uh there's an insect that flies around a light and sometimes tries to fly into it 596: Yeah mm-hmm We call them cow flies Interviewer: Okay and there's an insect kind of like that that sometimes gets in your wool clothes 596: Yessum it has their own balls Interviewer: Okay if you had a group of those you'd say we had a whole bunch of 596: Of balls Interviewer: Alright what flies around at night with a light in its tail? 596: That's a lightning bug. Interviewer: Alright and there's a long thin bodied insect that you'll see with filmy wings that you'll see hovering over a pond 596: Yessum we call them mosquito hawks Yeah Interviewer: Okay 596: He's catching all the insects when he's done he's tryna catch insects {X} Interviewer: They do? 596: They sure do. Interviewer: Did you ever hear in this part of the country do they ever call those snake doctors? 596: Yes ma'am I've heard Interviewer: You have heard of that? 596: Yes ma'am. Little green snake he call um doctor snake Interviewer: Oh really 596: Yeah a little green snake. Interviewer: Um what kinds of insects do you know of that sting? 596: Sting Interviewer: You've got mosquitoes and what kind sting? 596: {D: Well some folks call them gitters} But we call them sandflies yeah sandflies we call them {D: Yeah nah jigglers I mean what they're called jiggler} but we call them sandfly Interviewer: What do they look like? 596: Why he's a little ol' thing he got white wings you just can hardly see He's sneaky he slip up and bites you A where he bites he leaves a welt Interviewer: Is that right? 596: Yeah that's right and he just got little bitty white wings And he he ain't no side but he hurt you Interviewer: Where does he live does he have a nest? 596: No he just breed just like all the insects are regular Interviewer: I see 596: {X} Interviewer: What about something that might have a stinger? {NW} 596: Well You can take a wasp or a yellow jacket Something like that they got stingers And there's a little bitty ol' insect when it gets real hot If y'all around sand He'll have a little hole all in the sand he come out and he get on he'll sting you too Little ol' fly Interviewer: Are there different kind of wasps? 596: Yes ma'am That ol' big black wasp Big red wasp and a little ol' straggler called a guinea wasp Interviewer: Mm 596: That's right. Interviewer: Does he sting? 596: Yeah he sting Interviewer: Does he build a nest 596: #1 Yes ma'am # Interviewer: #2 like other flies? # 596: He builds a nest sure do Interviewer: Um is there something kind of like a wasp that builds a mud nest? 596: That's a dirt dauber Interviewer: Does he sting? 596: Yeah he sting too but he don't sting like a wasp but he'll sting you though Interviewer: oh 596: He sure will. Interviewer: Uh you mentioned yellow jackets 596: Yeah Interviewer: Now where do they have their nest? 596: In the ground. They have their nest in the ground or in an old stump or maybe in the corner of a old house or something anywhere he can keep dry yeah that's where he builds his nest Interviewer: What about do you have any hornets around here? 596: Yessum they have hornets once in a while you'll see them at this time of the year flying around maybe he come around once how you catch a house fly catch a fly while he have his nest Interviewer: They must be pretty big. 596: Who that? Interviewer: Hornets. 596: Yeah he's pretty {NS} Interviewer: Big as that of your finger 596: Yeah you better not let him sting you now. Interviewer: What color are the 596: He's kind of gray with a black head Interviewer: What kind of nest does he make? 596: Well he makes a long nest that get to be that long sometimes hanging up in the tree he's like a barrel like a little gray barrel hanging up in the tree something like that a sack of some kind but nah he goes he have his well when he in there when he going up in there if you can catch them all in there well you can you can you know stop that hole up lift the nest off but you better be sure though {NW} Interviewer: Thinking about now hornets and yellow jackets and wasps 596: And bumblebees Interviewer: Oh yeah and bumblebees 596: Yeah bumblebees Interviewer: Now which one has the worse sting 596: Well I don't know which is the worst I just don't know they all hurt you now I'm telling ya They'll all hurt ya Interviewer: Does one kind of wasp has a worse sting? 596: {D: Yeah might that ol' red wasp he worse than that little ol' guinea guinea wasp they'll all hurt you} Interviewer: Mm 596: And a bumblebee They bumblebee will fly around you and {X} air almost but he won't hurt you he won't sting at all that's what you call a white head bumblebee but now a black head bumblebee would suck those flowers Now you better leave them alone if he gets mad with you he'll follow you 'til he catch you Interviewer: Really? 596: That's right. {NW} Interviewer: There's some little insects that burrow down in your skin maybe you're walking in the field 596: Yes I know what you talking about that's a tick. Interviewer: Okay and there's another kind that's even smaller than that 596: Yeah that's a seed tick Interviewer: Okay and something that's not a tick just a teeny tiny little thing it's a 596: Flee Interviewer: Uh oh ever hear of a red 596: Red bug Interviewer: Red bug 596: Yeah Interviewer: Is that what they 596: Yeah that's a red bug he's just a little ol' red something When you're first wildly fresh get on you He may be white if he get to bite you soon you'll get red {NW} Interviewer: Um did you ever hear those called chiggers? 596: Yessum that's sand flies I know about Interviewer: Yeah now sand flies are the same thing 596: Yessum yeah Interviewer: Now are sand flies and red bugs the same thing? 596: No sand flies are just a little ol' flies little ol' bugs that'll bite bite you at night {D: He's the same thing but they call him jig or chigger or what do you call it} Interviewer: {D: Sand flies are the same as a chigger} 596: Yessum Interviewer: {D: Jigler} 596: Yessum Interviewer: Or chigger or whatever Okay good I hadn't run across a sand flies before I have to check that too And she um how far it goes around here There's a kind of small fish that people use for bait 596: Yeah Why they call some call them uh Well now and days they call them {NS} Shiners I believe Believe them call them shiners yeah Interviewer: Alright did they call them something else a long time ago? 596: Well now we call them top miners Interviewer: {D:top miners} 596: Yeah that's what we call them top miners Interviewer: Alright 596: Yeah top miners Interviewer: Did you somebody told me he called them hot {D: gutted miners} 596: Wow he uh he ain't nothing but Yeah he just got a whole big stomach you know Interviewer: It's a different it it refers to a special kind of 596: Yessum yessum But nah we just call them top miners Interviewer: What's that um insect some are green and some are brown when you're walking along in the grass you'll see them hopping in front of you 596: Why them are little ol' Grasshoppers Interviewer: Okay 596: Yeah little grasshopper Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call them hoppergrass? 596: Yessum they call it reverse just backwards Interviewer: Who who calls them that? 596: Why some people just don't {NS} you know I don't want to say they don't know any better now but they just {NW} Interviewer: Let's see if you were walking around outside um Let's see if I can find one to point out You keep to clean a porch making it all difficult for me usually I can find one right quick in the summer Uh what would you call this filmy stuff right here? 596: Oh that's spiderweb Interviewer: Alright suppose you saw one inside up in a corner what would you call it them? 596: Why it's still a spiderweb Interviewer: It's a still a spiderweb? 596: Yes ma'am still a spiderweb Interviewer: Oh they are did you ever hear anyone call them a cobweb? 596: {X} that's right that's for it same thing Interviewer: Same thing 596: Same thing Interviewer: Alright would you be more likely to say spiderweb then I guess 596: Yessum that's right Interviewer: The part of a tree that goes underground are it's 596: Uh Well that's a root. Interviewer: Okay 596: Under the ground Interviewer: Alright now I wanna ask you do you remember any root or herbs or weeds or anything that people used to use for medicine? 596: Yes ma'am {X} Interviewer: Alright tell me what they were and what they were good for 596: Why not you takes {D: takes saspiras} Interviewer: Uh-huh 596: {X} Spring medicine claimed to purify your blood it claimed Like through the winter you blood would be think and in the spring you drink that and your kind of get your blood thin where you Won't get so hot like it is now Interviewer: Maybe that's what I need {NW} 596: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 That's why I misses it this spring # What else? 596: Well then there um You take this ol' black hall it's a different kind of hall it's a red hall then there's black hall Takes root of black hall that suppose to be good for different kind of medicine Interviewer: Is that a weed? 596: No it's um tree Interviewer: It's a tree 596: Yeah now root Uh call it a black hall a black hall tree Has holes on it where the fruit of the tree is yeah I mean you know Black you know Interviewer: Oh I haven't run across that Black hall tree 596: Black hall tree Roots are really good for make medicine different kinds Interviewer: And you said there was another kind of there's a black hall and 596: And a red hall Interviewer: A red hall 596: Yes red hall it's a have holes on it be red Interviewer: And the fruits 596: The fruits red Interviewer: The fruit is called a hall? 596: Yessum Interviewer: I don't think I know what that is I don't think I've run across that what does the fruit look like what does a hall look like? 596: Well it's about the fruit as quite big as a bout like a little huckleberr- Interviewer: Is that right? 596: Now when it's red. Interviewer: Tiny 596: Yeah Interviewer: Do you eat them? 596: Some folk eat them yes Used to be during something Interviewer: It wont hurt them or anything? 596: No But the usual kind of hall you eat is it's called a possum hall Interviewer: Possum hall 596: Oh possum hall {X} Interviewer: And you don't want to eat those cuz they're what? 596: They claim the paw a possum hall Course now I used to be down there Down there I know every kind of tree on the woods I could tell you know we were told just what kind of tree it was Interviewer: What kind of trees are around here? 596: Well all kinds all kinds of trees just any kind of tree you can mention more Interviewer: What's the most common one? 596: Well pine, sweet gum Hickory, oak, iron wood, dog wood, {X} Horn bean Interviewer: Gee I 596: Just any kind of tree Interviewer: I don't think I know a horn bean {X} What's a horn bean? 596: Well a horn bean is a tree grow in the swamp all the time and it don't get so Interviewer: Does it have things on it? 596: No a horn bean don't Interviewer: What's this? 596: Uh that's well that's what you call a Interviewer: I mean what does it come off of? {X} 596: {D: I don't sure we call we call them hindum trees what that come off of} Interviewer: You call them what? 596: {D: Hindum tree} Interviewer: {D: hindum tree} {NW} That's great 596: Now that that that what we call that come that part come off Interviewer: Uh huh 596: Yeah Interviewer: Is that the kind that have the kind of um oh what kind of a fringey 596: Yes {X} Interviewer: Think I would probably call them a mimosa tree 596: #1 Why # Interviewer: #2 Is that mimosa tree? # 596: Why {X} Interviewer: Yeah that's what that's what I would call a mimosa 596: Yessum that's right mm-hmm Interviewer: {D: Okay how a hindum tree is different} 596: Something like you know feels that fruit Auxillary: {X} 596: Ain't that big Well may not I don't know Auxillary: {X} 596: Now any kind of tree you see if the wood you see grow gotta have a mass of some kind Interviewer: Gotta have a what? 596: A mass gotta have a fruit Any tree you see in the woods it has a fruit of some kind Think a dogwood tree you seen them Interviewer: Yes 596: Why the have um you see they have a red bear on it Interviewer: Yes that's right {X} 596: Any tree you see grow in the woods have some kind of a fruit on it Interviewer: Oh 596: Even a pine tree anything sweet gum tree now ain't no gum like that Interviewer: You know a sweet gum tree is that the kind of has those little kind of a spike 596: #1 yeah right right right mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 balls on them yeah I know I know that one # And um you said another kind I forgot what it was I got carried away there with the {D: hindum} tree That's the life I never heard that before you mentioned another one that um 596: {D: calcum} Interviewer: Yeah now is that the same thing as um let's see Is that what about the tree that's the state tree in Mississippi that has those big white flowers on it 596: Oh that Magnolia Interviewer: Now a {D:calcum} is not 596: No that's Magnolia you talking about A Bull Bay or something like that A Bull Bay Interviewer: Yeah so Bull Bay the same as the Magnolia? 596: Yeah about the same tree yeah but they have big flowers on it Then the flower leaves it makes a great big ol' bear big bay that flowers Interviewer: That's on a Bull Bay? 596: Yes ma'am Interviewer: Bur after the flower um 596: {D: And the calcum tree is um} it's a saw wood tree Have big leaves big ol' leaves on it we used to go down to the in the summer take the leaves make a dipper and drank water out the branch Interviewer: Really? 596: Yeah that's right make a dipper Interviewer: How big were the leaves? 596: Oh the leaves were like bigger than this you know Interviewer: #1 Oh jeez they're big then # 596: #2 we take and fold them # Make them something like a dipper and dip water out of the branches, spring branches and drink water out of them Interviewer: Oh gee it'd be about a foot long or a foot wide 596: Then When uh they have a big ol' foot big as my fish {X} Interviewer: Can you eat it? 596: No ma'am Interviewer: Do animals eat it? 596: No Interviewer: Nothing eats it {X} Do they have a kind of tree around here that has um it's a good shade tree I'm told and it has long, white limps and scaly bark 596: That's sycamore Interviewer: Do they have those around here? 596: No not many of them around here. Interviewer: Alright and what um there's a kind of fruit tree not a apple and not a peach but it has little round red fruit 596: Mm-hmm Well you talking about a plum Interviewer: No a chi- 596: {D: Chinky?} {X} Interviewer: No this is just a common one just a cherry? 596: Cherry, cherry tree. Interviewer: They have those around here? 596: Yes ma'am cherry. Interviewer: Would grow in this area? 596: Yes ma'am cherry. Interviewer: Uh there's a bush and in fact it gets to be a pretty big bush like a tree 596: Yeah Interviewer: That turns red the leaves turn red in the fall and they have berries on it that people use to tan leather 596: You talking bout you talking about poke berry? Interviewer: No I I know what a what I know that that's um That's kind of a weed almost isn't it? 596: Yeah Interviewer: This this is a pretty big thing it's a bush and it gets to be a tree almost Um it has little white flowers on it And uh a lot of times you'll see them along by the fences on along side the road 596: Were you talking about the shoe makes money? Interviewer: Yeah that's what I think 596: Sure enough there's one right there {X} Right there the shoe make had to move Put them fruit on this year and a them bunches of berries on them I didn't know they use that Interviewer: A long time ago they did 596: #1 Sure enough yeah but that's shoe make # Interviewer: #2 I don't know if anybody still does but a long time ago they did # 596: Mm-hmm Interviewer: I guess that's right 596: Shoe make that's right Interviewer: Any kind of bushes or vines that is you brush up against them it'll make your skin break out? 596: Yessum That's right It's poison oak something like that Interviewer: Any others? 596: Ivory, poison ivory we call it Interviewer: They the same thing? 596: Yes ma'am that's the same that's what it is poison ivory that's poison oak Interviewer: Anything else that makes you break out? 596: No oak will make me break out if I get my arms on it {D: When I get oakry} {X} Interviewer: What kind of berries do people grow around here? 596: Well blackberry, raspberry, and uh huckleberry that's about all the berries around here Interviewer: Alright there's another kind people sometimes plant uh there, you eat them with sugar and cream their red 596: Uh that's um Strawberry Interviewer: Oh they grow those around here? 596: Yes ma'am once in a while they grow a few Once in a while Interviewer: Do they have any uh Laurel around here? Trees laurel bushes or trees? 596: No I don't think Interviewer: A mountain laurel a rhododendron 596: No we don't normally {X} Interviewer: They're usually in the mountains but I thought 596: Yes ma'am yes Interviewer: Um if a married woman doesn't want to make up her own mind about something she'll say um I gotta ask who? 596: Ask my husband Interviewer: Alright {NW} And you a man on the other hand would say I've gotta ask 596: Ask my wife about it she what she says about it Interviewer: Did older people ever refer to each other in other ways? 596: I don't know Interviewer: Like the missus or the mister 596: Well that's right Interviewer: Or the wife or the old lady 596: Yeah yeah that's right Interviewer: {NW} 596: That's right Interviewer: You ever call mrs {B} the missus? 596: Well I don't call her I I {X} talking with somebody about her you know? Interviewer: Yeah that's what I mean if you're talking about her 596: Yes Interviewer: What are you likely to call her? 596: Yeah I I say my wife so and so my wife so and so Some folks say the old boss you know so Interviewer: Oh really {NW} about the wife? 596: Yeah I gotta ask my boss about something that's my boss Interviewer: Would a woman ever say that about her husband mrs {B}? {X} Oh Auxillary: I didn't have a boss 596: {NW} Interviewer: Ma'am? Auxillary: I never did have a boss Interviewer: You never did? Auxillary: No {NW} Interviewer: A woman who has lost her husband is called a 596: Widow Interviewer: Alright and um You're you're male parent was your 596: Uh a widower wouldn't it? Interviewer: No I'm talking about you have two parents 596: Yeah Interviewer: the male one is your 596: Uh uh male one that's father Interviewer: What did you call him when you were a child? 596: Uh we call him papa Interviewer: Papa 596: Yeah papa That's what we call him Interviewer: And um your mother what did you call her? 596: We call her mama Interviewer: Did you ever call them anything else? 596: No we never did chillun we just say papa and mama we never did call the mother and father {X} Interviewer: What do your children call you? 596: They call me papa just like I used to call him just like I used to call him Interviewer: And what do they call mrs {B}? 596: They call her mama Interviewer: Mama 596: Yeah Interviewer: Just like you cal your parents 596: Now our grandchildren they call her Mama Interviewer: Mama 596: Yeah they called her mama Interviewer: And what you they call you? 596: They call me papa. Interviewer: Papa. 596: That's right {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever know your grandparents? 596: Well yessum I know I know of my grandparents on my mother's side but my father's side they were dead before I knew anything about them Interviewer: Alright what did you call your grandparents on your mother's side? 596: We call him grandpa, grandpa and grandma Interviewer: You did? 596: That's what we call them Grandpa and grandma {X} Interviewer: And you father and your mother together are called your Pa- 596: Yes ma'am Interviewer: Called your what? 596: Parents yessum that's right Interviewer: Uh your sons and your daughters are called your children 596: Yeah Interviewer: Did you ever call them anything else other than children? 596: No might've said my daughter or my son or something like that Interviewer: Right did you ever call them chaps? 596: Well sometimes I just be talking about them I'd say maybe all around me here I'd say these chaps here are mine {NW} It's like that Interviewer: Uh when a child let's see A name that a child is known by just in the family you know something you'll name it one thing {X} but then in the family you'll be known something else what would you call that kind of name? 596: A nickname Interviewer: Alright when they are little and you'd call it any other supposed you were calling him sugar lump or sugar pie 596: Yeah Interviewer: Would that be a nickname? 596: Yeah that would be a nickname that wouldn't be his name that's a nickname that's right Interviewer: Okay with that what would a pet name be would you use that term? 596: Well I don't know what a uh pet name you could anything you could call it for a pet name just little ol' Something like that well sugar pie's a pet name Interviewer: That's a pet name? 596: Yeah that's a pet name Interviewer: Okay then if you had a boy named William you might call him what 596: Will Interviewer: Or 596: Uh Will or Bill Interviewer: Or Billy 596: Yea Billy or something like that Interviewer: Alright now that would be a nickname? 596: Yessum well now well now in a way That's just part of his name William They call him Will that's just part of his name Interviewer: That's part of him name 596: That's just part of the name I don't know whether you call that a nickname or not Interviewer: Alright {X} 596: Maybe the name John but you call him Jack you know like that something like that's a nickname Interviewer: #1 That's a nickname that's not part of his name # 596: #2 That's a nickname # No that's a nickname Interviewer: Suppose you had a son you know a lot of times you'll have a boy and you'll end up calling him sonny or buddy 596: Yeah Interviewer: Is that a nickname or a? 596: Well no I don't I don't know if that's a nickname or not Interviewer: Okay 596: Call him sonny or buddy Interviewer: If his name were say John 596: Yessum yeah yeah Well I other people they would call him buddy {X} and maybe other people wouldn't know what his name was Or they'd say who is I just called him buddy or what I know or something like that Interviewer: I see 596: But I suggest they call him by his name you know who it's talking about Interviewer: Did you call all of your children by their name? 596: Yes We got one, one time we called him instead of baby boy we called him brother Interviewer: Ah 596: Yeah we called him brother Interviewer: You know it's easy to do to get in the habit 596: Yeah Interviewer: When my little one came along my oldest boy's name is Roo he has an unusual name like yours And um I didn't think oh you know I want to talk to the baby about Roo so I called him Buzzy this is your Buzzy and heck it's caught on 596: Mm-hmm Interviewer: I've got to be very careful cuz Roo cuz suddenly be Buzzy the rest of his life 596: Yeah it's true that's right mm-hmm Interviewer: Uh something that you that has wheels on it that you can put a baby in uh to push it around, it'll lie down and you push it around 596: You call that a baby carriage Interviewer: Alright and if you're gonna take the baby out it in you'd say I'm going to do what to the baby? 596: Well Imma tote the baby or I'm gonna take the baby out Uh feed him Something like that {X} Uh whatever you want to do with it Interviewer: Okay well I'm talking about putting him in there just going to drive the baby or wheel the baby Or if you go put him in the baby carriage to take him out 596: Take him out for a ride you'd say Interviewer: I see okay you just said tote And I think that's an interesting word 596: Yeah Interviewer: Um it does it can you tote anything? Or does it have to be something heavy for you to say I'd tote it 596: No it don't have it be heavy Interviewer: It doesn't? 596: No it don't have to be heavy {X} My pocket all the time or something like that Interviewer: I see so it wouldn't have to be a sack of flowers 596: No no no that's right Interviewer: Okay um if you're talking about your daughter you'd say that she's not a boy she's a She's not a boy she's a 596: Girl Interviewer: Alright now If you have a group of children you might say Well I'm talking about the fact that their grown up 596: Yeah Interviewer: and they act grown up you know that they're um mature 596: Yeah Interviewer: Acting You'd say well their all grown up but of them all calm is the 596: Wait now how you have {X} Interviewer: Okay talking about that they're all grown up meaning they all act with responsibility they're all mature 596: Yeah Interviewer: you know sober, level headed young people but one of them is even more so than the other one 596: I see Interviewer: Now using the word grown up about them you'd say he's the what of all of them? 596: Well uh he Was the baby of all of them would you say? Interviewer: No I'm thinking about would you this is really hard to ask 596: Yeah Interviewer: but it's an interesting word would you say he's the grown-upest of all of them? 596: No my wife I'd say if he's oldest or something like that Interviewer: We're talking about how mature he is 596: #1 I understand, I understand # Interviewer: #2 How you know how he has a good # 596: I understand what you talking about Well I know it is sort of hard to say it tell anybody else about it if he's in that condition You'd say he's all grown except one we would say that he's sort of off or something Interviewer: No I'm I'm talking in the other direction really uh I'm talking about if all of them you know were grown up 596: Yessum Interviewer: And but there's one of them that seems ready to take on responsibility 596: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 And do the work # even more than the rest of them 596: That's right yeah Interviewer: Would you say that he's the grown-upest of my children? 596: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 most grown up # of my children or the 596: Well I would see I would I mean I see how grown up is one of them I may say that one's got more responsibility than the rest of them I'd say something like that Interviewer: Okay 596: even if he seems to be more responsible than the rest of them Interviewer: Okay 596: Yessum Interviewer: Fine that's kind of a hard thing 596: #1 That's right # Interviewer: #2 to ask somebody # about 596: Wow that's right Interviewer: Some of these are harder than others 596: Yeah that's right it's harder than the others Interviewer: If one of your children has misbehaved you're liable to say to him you better watch out you're gonna get a 596: That's right Interviewer: You're gonna get a what? 596: You're gonna get a whooping Interviewer: {NW} 596: Something like that yeah Interviewer: Um A mother has looked after three children until their grown up you say she did what to those children she 596: Well she done her part you see maybe we'll say Well she raised those children Interviewer: Okay fine uh if a women is going to have a child you'd say she is what 596: Pregnant Interviewer: You ever hear any joking words used to refer to a women being pregnant? 596: Yes {NS} Interviewer: Alright come on {NW} Come on you gotta tell me {NW} 596: She's big Interviewer: She's big 596: Yeah {NW} You knew that word Interviewer: Would both women and men said it? 596: Yes some of them you mean you ain't got no any uh manner ain't got no you know he just come up {X} say it right to the girl say hey girl is you big {NW} Interviewer: They didn't hold it back did they 596: No you see some of them would do like that you know just like that Act like it was any his business {NW} Interviewer: Uh if you know in the old days they didn't and maybe I guess maybe now they're coming back too they don't always have doctors to deliver babies 596: No Interviewer: still have a women 596: Yeah that's right midwife Interviewer: Alright did back in the old days did they call her something else? 596: Well no maybe Auxillary: Granny 596: Yeah they call her granny something like that granny You didn't see any midwife might say granny that's what they say granny Interviewer: Yeah that's what I kind of wondered about Uh if a boy and his father have the same appearance you'd say the boy what his father? 596: He like his father Interviewer: Alright you say looks like his father? 596: No he act like his father you'd see it all he said he just like his father Interviewer: Okay now if you say he acts like his father does that mean how he looks or how he 596: No his ways Interviewer: His ways 596: His ways Interviewer: I see Alright um If a child if you see a child and we say this a lot if you see a child you maybe haven't seen him in a while and he's gotten taller you'd say my goodness how you've 596: How you've grown oh you have grown since I seen you last Interviewer: {D: A child that's born to an unmarried women is a?} 596: I would call him a basket child Interviewer: Alright are there any joking names? 596: {D: Well he jidimus he jidimus or something like that they call it} Interviewer: Alright did you ever hear them call a wood's coat in a kind of a joking way? 596: No I never ever know them of that way I never did know him like that bastard or either {D: a jidimus or something like that} Interviewer: Uh your brother's son would be your he his uncle he'd be your 596: Nephew Interviewer: Alright and a child that has lost both father and his mother is a what 596: Orphan child Interviewer: Would that be a child um whether or not he was living in a home I mean in a institution? You know they have an orphan's home 596: Yeah yeah Interviewer: would you call him an orphan even if he wasn't living in an orphan's home? 596: Well we call him that but he would be an orphan {X} If he's his child he done lost both mother and father why he is a orphan child If he was uh he if ain't old enough to take care of his own self Interviewer: Yep that's what I was and if he's not old enough to take care of himself sometime the court will appoint somebody to take care of him 596: Yes a guardian or something like that Interviewer: Alright um if a women has been away from home for a long time she sometimes goes back to visit all of her 596: Uh relatives Interviewer: Alright um yes she has the same family name does look like me but I'm actually no 596: No kin to her Interviewer: Alright do you ever use the learn kin folks 596: Yessum Interviewer: uh or people my people 596: Yessum kin folk yes that's right are my people are my kin folk or that's my blood or something used like that you know or that's my kinnery Interviewer: Kinnery? I hadn't heard that before 596: Well that's right in my kinnery Interviewer: How far would kinnery go you know like through how many cousins? 596: Uh maybe about fifty in the fourth generation Interviewer: I see 596: Played out when you get about the fourth generation about played out Interviewer: Now they're all kin folks or kinnery 596: Yessum while we Interviewer: Would they suppose would someone who say is about them an eighth cousin 596: Well some of them would claim it anyhow it's claimed that's my blood ain't no better kin there {NW} Interviewer: Has the same name and that's it 596: That's all some of them some people just wants to claim kin to you {NW} It do some of them just wanted to claim kin Interviewer: They should've got some money 596: Yeah {X} That's my folks that's my folk ain't no bit of kin to them Interviewer: Um Someone who has come into town and no one has ever seen him before so he's a what? 596: Stranger. Interviewer: There's a common name for a girl that begins with um an m um The mother of Jesus was named 596: Mary. Interviewer: Alright and I'm sure I get just some some um names here and how they're pronounced in this part of the country um Do you remember the the two sisters of Lazarus you know 596: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 there's Mary and # 596: And Elizabeth Interviewer: And uh Martha 596: Mary, Martha mm-hmm Interviewer: Right and the first of the four gospels the first book of the new testament this isn't a bible quiz I was just tryna get the 596: I see mm-hmm Interviewer: It's ma 596: {D: Mm-hmm ma, Mathus, Mark, Luke, and John} Interviewer: Alright and there's an old song uh that says wait 'til the sun shines remember the name of the girl 596: Where, wait 'til the sun shines I might know Interviewer: Nelly 596: I might not know Interviewer: Nelly Do you remember that that name Nelly 596: No I don't believe I do I don't. Is that in the bible question? Interviewer: No that's not in the bible question 596: Oh I see yeah Interviewer: I'm just find out if you knew the girl's name Nelly 596: Yessum yeah that's right Interviewer: Alright there's um a family name that I haven't seen much around here um but um it's um Cooper for example 596: Yeah Interviewer: If if there was um mr Cooper and he had a wife you'd address her as who? 596: Uh mrs Cooper Interviewer: Okay and if you said that slowly how would you say it? 596: Slowly? Interviewer: Uh-huh 596: mrs Cooper? Interviewer: Yeah I'm wondering cuz we tend to say mrs then when we talking in a hurry we say ms Cooper 596: That's right mrs Cooper mm-hmm Interviewer: {D: Right um a preacher who's not really trained and doesn't have a regular pulpit} and uh he preaches here and there and makes his living doing something else if he's not very good at preaching you'd call him a what? 596: Uh a jack league Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh what other occupations would you use to jackleg to refer to # 596: #2 (NW} # Interviewer: {NW} 596: Anything is just pretending to be and wants to be and you know can't do it well cuz that's a jackleg Interviewer: {NW} Would you say a jackleg lawyer? 596: Yessum jackleg lawyer, jackleg doctor, jackleg anything Interviewer: Jackleg anything 596: Yeah Interviewer: Just say jack leg governor 596: Well yeah jack league governor {NW} Interviewer: Alright what relation would my mother's sister be to me? 596: Auntie. Interviewer: Yeah who's that? 596: {X} My my mother Interviewer: No my mother 596: Mm-hmm Interviewer: My mother's sister would be? 596: Your auntie. Interviewer: Alright 596: Mm-hmm your auntie Interviewer: Um If there were a man in the army and he was a general 596: Mm-hmm Interviewer: And his name were Lee You'd address him as as what? 596: Uh You said if a man Interviewer: Yeah lemme let me give you and example if there was a man in the army and he was a sergeant and his name was Smith you would call him Sergeant Smith 596: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Alright now if there's a man in the army with the name Lee and he's a general you'd address him as 596: Well I call him I'd reckon Interviewer: No you'd you'd say General Lee 596: General Lee, General Lee Interviewer: Yeah now this, that's the kind of thing I wanna try for just a minute 596: Mm-hmm Interviewer: If there's a man named um Smith and he's a colonel how would you address him? 596: Uh well now you'll call him Colonel Smith wouldn't you? Interviewer: That's that's what I was deriving 596: Yes Colonel Smith Interviewer: If there's a, the man who presides over a hoard is a what 596: Um a lawyer, a judge Interviewer: Alright and if you had a judge who's name was Marshall you would call him 596: Judge Marshall Interviewer: Okay good if you had an uncle named William you'd call him 596: Uncle William Interviewer: If you had an uncle named John you would call him 596: Uncle John Interviewer: And um Let's see there's um a girl's name that begins with an "S" Sally sometime a nickname for it 596: Mm-hmm yeah mm-hmm um Sally Interviewer: Uh-huh it would be a nickname for Sarah 596: Yeah when uh I don't know that nickname for Sally Interviewer: No I mean it would be a nickname 596: Yessum Interviewer: What would it be a nickname for? What girl's name do you remember? 596: No Interviewer: Uh Sarah? 596: Sarah I think so Interviewer: Okay that's fine 596: That's right Interviewer: Um what do they call the man who's in charge of a ship? 596: Ship master wouldn't it? Interviewer: Alright um something else I'm thinking of a cap- 596: A captain Interviewer: Alright now would that be also in the army? 596: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 There would be one # In that white cap group that had captains 596: Yeah that's right he'd be, that's right that's right he'd be a captain Interviewer: Alright suppose uh when you worked with the railroad you know 596: Yessum Interviewer: What did you call your foremen? 596: Well uh Well let's see I worked in the rail {X} whoever he be you know I call him mr so and so or something like that Interviewer: You never addressed him as captain? 596: No no no no Interviewer: Alright you know there was a time when black men address white men as captain 596: As captain yeah sure would call him captain so now the wouldn't say captain they said cap for like captain it's like that Interviewer: Was that a a suppose to be in those days was that supposed to be an address to show respect? 596: Well that's what it's for yes that's to know you're over me I'm, you're over me Interviewer: I see it said to someone then who has some power over you 596: #1 That's right yeah that's right # Interviewer: #2 Authority over you # Oh I see {x} 596: Where is so and so? Can I do so and so? See captain there {X} Interviewer: Do they ever use um any other terms like that to for to show respect for say a black man to show I don't want to say respect cuz that's not what I mean but any other terms like that that you think of that a black man might use to his white employer? 596: Well they call him boss Interviewer: Boss 596: Yeah boss like that boss Interviewer: Would a black man ever call another black man captain? 596: Well Interviewer: If he if he would that black man was over him 596: Oh he he he usually wouldn't do it but he will now he'll do it now he'll call him captain he may not want to do it but he will do it Interviewer: But in the old days 596: Yes In the old days he wouldn't do it Interviewer: He wouldn't 596: They wouldn't even recognize one another Interviewer: They wouldn't? 596: No they wouldn't now they wouldn't recognize one another When they all he wouldn't do it no Interviewer: I see 596: That's right Interviewer: Um 596: But now he will, he'll recognize him Interviewer: What um are some terms that you think of that are used to refer to black people? What's the nicest way that you can speak of a black person? Let's take it if you don't mind let's take it by races cuz I this is something I think that it you know is important to look at too if a if a white person wanted to refer to a black person in the nicest way what would he call him? 596: Uh they used to would say darker Interviewer: It, was that nice? 596: No but Interviewer: But he would say it anyway 596: He would say it he'd just say I'm darker {X} Interviewer: You know they used to say colored people {X} and that an attempt I think 596: Yeah Interviewer: As I understood it to be nice 596: Yessum mm-hmm Interviewer: Alright then they there, what would they say now do you think to say something that would be you know just a nice way of referring to black people {x} 596: Of course in jail they did something most blacks they don't say who it is when you made you read about some something happened you don't say whether it's colored or whites now they don't something now they don't say you just wonder was he colored or was he white sometimes they you might find out just what it was and but they used to you know {NS} how'd they call us Interviewer: Well I was thinking about the changes you know that take place when I teach 596: Yeah Interviewer: My students are all young black people 596: Well that's right Interviewer: In inner city Atlanta now they wanna be referred to as black people 596: Yessum Interviewer: Black man, black women now you know the black now this group is eighteen, nineteen years old 596: Yeah Interviewer: Now and they don't want to be called negro 596: No no that's not Interviewer: Now what what do, would you say is the black people in this area would want to be called? 596: Why they want to be called is called they want to let you know who it is calling the Interviewer: If you had to say you had to say {X} 596: They'd say black folks Interviewer: Black folks 596: They'd say black folks he's a black he's a black male or black female or whatever you're called let you know, they'd let you know how it is you know who you're talking about Interviewer: Yeah I'm talking about instances where it's necessary to make the distinction then um I was told by one black man that the term nigger was still used by black people to each other 596: Why they do do like that they do that they'll do it Interviewer: Well he was saying that it was still used to um say ah he's a no count nigger 596: Why they do that Interviewer: To talk about somebody who's no good 596: Why they'll do it, they'll do that they'll you know disrespect his own color some will do it Some of them will do that yet some of them will disrespect him own people yeah Interviewer: Do you hear um the white man referred to as the man ? 596: Sometime they do yes {X} Interviewer: Now when he says that who do he mean does he mean boss? 596: He mean the boss man he consider that man over him he go see what he says about it what the man say about it Interviewer: Have you ever met Curtis {B} over here? 596: Yes ma'am Interviewer: He and I had a long, long chat in the middle of this week {X}