604: {D: and} then he'd read the bible. {NS} and then he'd a explain it to us. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: and have prayer. and then we could just go ahead and play 'til we all got sleepy and tired. well {X} we had to go get our bath. {NW} We had some big old tubs that had water in 'em ya know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: The girls would go one place and the boys the other. So we all know what to do and we a we never had nobody in our house in the family that ever {X} ever heard {X}. Didn't have no bad words like they do now a lotta folks would say oh my lord ya know and my God look at that. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: Oo we never had nothing like that in our home. Everybody I believe was all raised Christian to start with but of course whenever you get older and realize{NS} {NS} you got to give yourself to the Lord well that means a difference. {NS} You belong to a church? Interviewer: My parents are Methodist. That's the church that I grew up with. 604: Was what? Interviewer: Methodist. 604: Uh-huh. {NS} I've been to Methodist churches and hear them preach but I'm not I just don't know nothing about their rules or anything. I'm Baptist. Interviewer: That's a pretty big church around here. 604: Uh-huh. {X} to the Southern convention Baptist. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: our church {X} {NS} and I said there's one thing or two or three things that I would never have to ask the Lord to forgive me for. That's for cursing. I've never had to curse. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: I've never had to use the tobacco nothing like that in my life. and uh uh never had never did drink coffee. Several things like that I just Interviewer: You don't 604: but you gonna pray for them that does ya know. #1 That they get # Interviewer: #2 You don't like # 604: #1 forgiveness. # Interviewer: #2 # Drinking coffee? 604: {NW} Never. Interviewer: That's kind of unusual. Why? 604: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 604: Yeah all my people drinks drinks coffee. I never did like it I just never did drink it. My husband who he said if anything {NS} {X} back coffee's thinking there's some left in the pot. Interviewer: {NW} 604: {NW} Uh not me drink coffee. Never did. {NS} Interviewer: Did you have a very large family that you grew up? 604: Uh-huh there's twelve. Twelve children Mother and Daddy made fourteen a family. but the baby died when he was seven months old. He had uh I believe he said he had whooping cough and developed pneumonia with it and he died. and he died on Christmas. and my Daddy lived to be eighty years old. He died on Christmas and he was two years older than my Mother and she lived to be eighty years old. She died on Christmas. {NW} Christmas always just puts a little sad #1 feeling ya know? # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 604: #1 In ya # Interviewer: #2 I could # 604: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 604: Especially if there's somebody sick. Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} Sounds like your family was just a 604: There's eight girls and four boys. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: The baby was a boy there's just three boys that lived to be grown. They all dead now but four. I got a sister out of there. She's eighty-eight. and uh I'm seventy-eight. I got a brother that lives right across back over there and he's seventy-six. He's younger than I am. I got a sister that lives in {D: Poplarville} and she's eighty-two. Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} {NS} 604: Rest of 'em alls gone off. Interviewer: How would you 604: But I don't have a thing to worry about everyone of 'em was raised in a Christian home and they lived Christian life. Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: So Interviewer: It it sounds to me that that your family was just a I'd say a little above just the 604: Well I wouldn't say we was above nobody. I say though I'm as good as anybody. Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: But I ain't no better than nobody that can get forgiveness. Interviewer: Uh-huh Welp I was thinking in terms of ya know if your family could of well you never had to cook on a fireplace #1 or anything # 604: #2 no # Interviewer: sounds sounds like that you know that even though you had a large family #1 that that # 604: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: you were always comfortable. {D:would} Was that true did 604: yeah just {NS} Never did have no trouble I guess was no {NS} to get out and work. Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: Make a living and make it honest. Interviewer: Uh-huh Was that 604: Now when we was all kids we'd pick cotton for other people. Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 604: #2 We'd # uh mother could take us children out in the field and pick a bale of cotton a day and that was when they was about eighteen hundred pound to the bale. Course they improved the cotton you know and got to where it's {NS} they call it half and half and um {NS} but uh she could take us {NS} get out in the field and pick a bale of cotton a day for people. {NS} Back then they didn't get much for picking but we could buy our own school books and Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: get us new dress or two and things like that with our cotton picking money. We's just kids. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: and of course we'd I don't know always raised eight or ten bale. {NS} Interviewer: Most people in in this community {NS} do work like that and #1 did everyone # 604: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: ya know support #1 themselves? # 604: #2 They did. # {NS} Way back now ya know uh it's all together different. They all work away from home just about it and Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: Everybody can hold a job was off somewhere working. Back then we all worked at home. Interviewer: Where do most people work nowadays? Is it oil field? 604: Men works in the oil fields and on these highways and uh in machine shops and in these air condition places and uh making that air condition Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: ya know and uh the women works in factories and hospitals and just something. Interviewer: yeah 604: In factories where they made clothes and things ya know? Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: They don't nobody stay home much no more. Interviewer: Yeah What kind of um we were talking about boats um what kind of boat would you go fishing on in a small lake? What what that boat be like? What are some different #1 types of boats like? # 604: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 604: #2 # Ah I just don't know I never rode in a {NS} boat and I don't want one. I I can't swim and I don't wanna get in a boat but uh they have boats for all these little ol' ponds around. Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: Folks going to and from they have these electric uh boats and they have the ones that they paddle ya know in the water Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: move around where they please {NS} Call 'em just boats Interviewer: #1 yeah # 604: #2 I call 'em # Interviewer: #1 # 604: #2 # Interviewer: #1 # 604: #2 # Most of 'em nows got a big motor hung on to their {NS} {X} Interviewer: um The thing that that a women would would wear over a dress in the kitchen you'd call that a? 604: A apron. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 okay # Interviewer: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and um to sign your name in ink you'd use a? 604: A pen. Interviewer: and um to hold a baby's diaper in place you'd use a? {NS} 604: uh gotta have a bag now and not a bag but a uh one of these old plastic things you put 'em in when you take 'em off of 'em wet ya know {X} and then carry 'em to the washing machine. Interviewer: but um when you're #1 putting # 604: #2 {X} # Interviewer: putting the diaper on the baby 604: oh Interviewer: You fasten it together with a 604: pins Interviewer: okay 604: Safety pins. Interviewer: and um soup that you buy usually comes in a can made out of 604: soup Interviewer: uh-huh 604: tin Interviewer: okay and a dime is worth 604: A dime is worth ten cents. Interviewer: #1 Okay # 604: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 and um # 604: #2 {NW} # supposed to be but it don't go nowhere no more #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 604: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # What um what would a man wear to church on Sunday? 604: Well he's supposed to wear a suit if he wants to dress up. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: in the summertime wear a shirt and pants #1 I guess # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 604: what ya call it Interviewer: What um any other name for pants? 604: Britches. Interviewer: Okay #1 Does that # 604: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: that mean the same thing? 604: Huh? Interviewer: Does that mean the same thing? 604: Ya huh. Interviewer: What um what would a man say if he were working out in in round the barn? 604: Overalls. Interviewer: Mm-kay. and um you mentioned a suit um a suit would consist of a what pants and then the 604: Coat Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: Shirt a tie Interviewer: What about a long time ago they used to also wear a closed sleeveless? thing that they'd put on on over their shirt just before they put their coat on? 604: Oh a jacket. Interviewer: Okay 604: {NW} Oh that's been so long {X} Interviewer: {NW} 604: wearing them things Interviewer: Yeah say um that coat won't fit this year but last year it what perfectly? 604: Now say it again. Interviewer: I said that coat won't fit me this year but last year it 604: Oh well just got to large or you fell off Interviewer: uh-huh 604: lost weight #1 gained weight # Interviewer: #2 so you say # 604: lost weight Interviewer: uh-huh 604: if it don't fit. Interviewer: But you say last year it it what perfectly? last year it how'd you say that? 604: Woulda had the suit that just fit him fine. I guess I would say {NW} I don't know what you would say. Interviewer: and say if if a man had an important interview and his clothes weren't in very good shape you'd say he'd have to go out and buy a? 604: A suit. Interviewer: Okay and and it wouldn't be old it would be a? #1 brand # 604: #2 new one # Interviewer: Huh? 604: A new one. Interviewer: A new what? 604: Suit. Interviewer: {X} You said he he has to go out and a brand 604: new suit. Interviewer: Okay 604: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 and um # Say if you stuff a lot of things in your pockets it makes them? 604: Oh my goodness just ruins your shape and figure. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 604: {NW} makes it look awful. Interviewer: But what do you say it does to the pockets it makes them? 604: Bulge out. Interviewer: okay and you say well that shirt used to fit me 'til I washed it then it? 604: {X} Interviewer: or another word you might use? I washed it and it? 604: Faded out. Interviewer: but a word meaning drawed up? 604: Drawed up oh it just got too little for me. Interviewer: uh-huh Did you say it {X} or {X} or shrink? 604: Shrinked? Interviewer: yeah 604: {NW} Yeah some kind of material is like that. It will shrink. Interviewer: Uh-huh So you'd say I washed 604: if you especially if you put it in hot water Interviewer: uh-huh So you say I washed it and it? 604: shrink Interviewer: and um say seems like every shirt I wash recently has 604: shrunk Interviewer: Okay 604: {NW} Interviewer: and um if a if a women likes to put on good clothes and spend a lot of time in front of the mirror you'd say she likes to? 604: Primp Interviewer: Would you say that about a man? 604: Yeah They was some of 'em that primped like women do. Interviewer: Uh-huh {NS} and uh what did you use to carry coins in? 604: Purse I guess. Interviewer: Mm-kay. and um what's something that a a women might wear around her wrist? Bracelet or uh Mm-kay. {NS} and uh what did men used to wear to hold their pants? 604: Suspenders Interviewer: Any other name for that? 604: galluses Interviewer: Okay 604: {NW} Interviewer: and um what about something that you'd hold over you when it rains? 604: Umbrella Interviewer: Is there any other name for that? 604: Parasol Interviewer: Is is that the same thing? 604: Uh-huh parasol and umbrella Interviewer: and um what do people call it now? 604: I don't know. Interviewer: Which which word would you be more likely to use that? 604: Parasol Interviewer: okay and um the last thing that you put on the bed when you make it up? 604: Spread Interviewer: #1 What's # 604: #2 bedspread # Interviewer: Uh-huh Do you remember something that people used to make? 604: On the beds? Interviewer: that's a a bedspread sort of thing that people would would sew together by #1 hand? # 604: #2 quilts # Interviewer: What's that like huh? Are there different types of quilts? 604: Lotta different types of quilts. Interviewer: What are some of the types? 604: Well there's some fancy ones and some that's just made out of anything {X}. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: um I got some I'd like to show you before you leave. Some I made. Interviewer: I'd like to see them. 604: {NW} Interviewer: Did do you still make them much? 604: No I hadn't made none {X}. for {X} years. I used to makes lots of 'em you that's the way we mostly paid for our church over here. We made quilts and sold 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: paid for the church. paid a lot on it Interviewer: Are there different ways to make 'em like um say 604: You can make 'em on machinery or sew 'em with your fingers. Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: We made 'em needle and thread Interviewer: Do you ever see quilts that are sort of tied together? instead of There are all these {X} 604: I never have seen those. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: Looks like that. Interviewer: Do you ever um hear of a county? 604: Counter? Interviewer: {X} thing or counterfeit? 604: Counterpane? That's a bedspread. Interviewer: What's What is that like? Is that something that? 604: A counterpane? Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: Well it's just a a bedspread like they used to make long time ago. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: They don't make 'em no more they make bedspreads now. #1 They used # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 604: to make counterpanes. Interviewer: And um up at the head of the bed you put your head on a? 604: Pillow Interviewer: Do you remember that looks longer than a pillow? 604: Uh-huh boat. boaster? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: {NW} Interviewer: What was that like? 604: It was just a long pillow it went all the way across. Interviewer: Uh-huh and um {NS} say if you had a a lot of company over and didn't have enough beds for the children you might make a 604: pallet Interviewer: okay and um what kinds of lands land did you have on on a farm? 604: Land? Interviewer: mm-hmm what different types? 604: Well we have a something they call it too stiff to plant some things in and some that's sandy Interviewer: mm-hmm what do you mean too stiff? 604: Well it it's where the water all stand a good long time and make it hard when it dries out. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: and uh sandy land ya know you can always work that it's not too hard Interviewer: What do you call land that that's real good for for planting? 604: Well it's been highly fertilized or {NS} it's uh uh good soil like um Interviewer: mm-hmm Do you ever hear low? 604: a what? Interviewer: Low kind of soil 604: Oh yeah I've heared that that's what I call sandy land. {NW} Interviewer: But what's that? 604: Sandy land? Interviewer: I mean what what do you call sandy land? 604: That's what I call it. Sandy land. I don't call it this like you called it. #1 They just # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 604: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 604: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # What about um flat low land a- along the #1 street? # 604: #2 Ya that's # what I call stiff. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} um you call 604: It's uh some ya know there's some clay and there's some uh it's um I call it crawfishing. It's low and they uh It's stiff no crawfish will mate. {NS} Great big ol' {NS} {X} Stiff land I guess you'd call it. Interviewer: Did you ever speak to bottom land or #1 low land or # 604: #2 uh-huh # Bottom land's that kinda stiff low land. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: Unless it's got sand washed in it. Interviewer: mm-hmm What about um a field that might not be good for anything besides raising grass or clove or {X}? 604: It may fit for nothing but pasture. Interviewer: Okay 604: {NW} Interviewer: And um what about land that's got water standing in it most of the time? 604: Drowned out ya crop. Interviewer: mm-hmm Would you call that anything we- well you mentioned a crawfishy land. 604: uh-huh it's kind of crawfishy. Interviewer: Any- anything else? 604: Stiff I guess you would call it. Stiff land. Interviewer: What about swamp or marsh or? 604: Swampy land's where it's uh ya know where the trees used to grow thick. water run through it Interviewer: mm 604: things like that marshy land is where they been old pondy places and it's dried away it's down in the marsh. Interviewer: Oh I see. um what what's marsh is that 604: It's uh {NS} well it had been underwater in time. Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: But it's um maybe been ditched off or something ya know and then that's marshy land left down there. Interviewer: What do you mean ditched off? 604: Ya know {X} a place where the water to run out of it. Interviewer: What do you say when you that you're doing when you did that? 604: Ditching it? Interviewer: uh-huh you you say #1 you wanted # 604: #2 you just # cut a ditch down there for the water to run off. Interviewer: uh-huh Would you say drain or drain? 604: Well yeah that's what it does when ya cut a ditch it drains out. Interviewer: Uh-huh. and um what about something say say if you had a real heavy rain and the the rain it the water cut 604: The ground up. Interviewer: Uh-huh 604: It's uh washed away. Interviewer: mm-hmm What if it it continues to do that for a long time and you have a 604: {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. what's is a gully something very big? 604: Well it'd be small or big. Interviewer: mm-hmm What about something along the the side of a a road for 604: ditches Interviewer: Okay and um Do you know anything about um well say um a a small rising land you'd call a? 604: A hill. Interviewer: Okay. and um any other names for for types of hills or? 604: It's a small hill that's little hill over there and the big hill and the uh then it gets on up to where it's a mountain and it's {NW} and it gets back down in the flat to where it's a water stay in there. Interviewer: mm-hmm you say to open a door you'd take hold of the door 604: knob? Interviewer: Do you ever use that word knob talking about land? knob or know or? 604: Oh yeah well that we never did use but then I know what you mean. Interviewer: mm-hmm and um when you talk about a mountain the rocky side of the mountain it drops off real sharp like 604: paved off like Interviewer: yeah say somebody jumped over the 604: oh bluff the mountain. Interviewer: Okay what what about another word for that? say if it's a bluff can just go straight down ya know? 604: yeah Interviewer: if it come hangs over sort of and {X} a cliff? 604: A cliff? #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 604: oh yeah. Interviewer: and several of those would be several? 604: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Several what? 604: Uh going up the cliff to that top of the mountain. Interviewer: uh-huh. and um a place where boats stop {NS} freights are unloaded 604: for freights unloaded? Interviewer: uh-huh? Well where boats stop 604: Oh boats. Down at the harbor or anchor or what Interviewer: What's what's a harbor? 604: It's over there where they uh boats all parks. Interviewer: uh-huh 604: {NW} Interviewer: okay And um what kinds of roads do you have around here? 604: Roads? Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: We have um paved roads and we have uh uh gravel roads and we have dirt roads. {NS} That's about it. Interviewer: What would you call a um 604: Black top roads. Interviewer: Black top roads? What's what's that made with? 604: Uh asphalt. Interviewer: mm-kay and um what about that black sticky stuff that has a pretty strong smell? 604: Well concrete uh Interviewer: It's kind of like asphalt I guess. 604: yeah Interviewer: or something that maybe that you you use to put on on animals say if if you horse or something had a cut on 'em you'd put some of this black stuff on call that? 604: {NW} {NW} Can't think. What is it? Interviewer: {X} tar. 604: What tar? Interviewer: uh-huh 604: Oh yeah. Interviewer: Do they use that in in roads? 604: Think they do. Interviewer: What um What'd you call a little road that goes off the main road? 604: A little dirt road. Interviewer: Okay. and um suppose you came well to to the road that that turns off of the public road and then goes down to a man's house? 604: Gravel road. Interviewer: okay the 604: or concrete. Interviewer: Uh-huh but the the turns off the the road that turns off the the main road and leads to a person's house 604: I just call it a road. {X} Interviewer: Mm-kay and um what if if a road has um trees on both sides of it? 604: Uh-huh They all do. {NW} {X} part of the country Interviewer: yeah Would ya have a special name for a road that's that's so small that uh just one car could go on it at a time? 604: Just near about a path huh. Interviewer: okay and um say a road from um from the house to the barn just big enough to drive drive ya truck over {NS} 604: I don't know we don't have one we just got the whole yard out there. Interviewer: yeah 604: {NW} Interviewer: and something along the side of the street for people to walk on? 604: Sidewalk Interviewer: Okay and um say if you were walking along the road and an animal jumped out and and scared you, you might pick up a? 604: Rock Interviewer: Okay you say I picked up the rock and I 604: Chunk it Interviewer: Okay 604: Hit him or something. Interviewer: and um say if you went to someone's house and knock on the door and no one answered you'd say well I guess they're not 604: Not home. Interviewer: Okay and say someone came to to um visit say a man's wife and he he met the person out in the yard he might tell her um well she's what the house? she's 604: She's in the house. Interviewer: Okay or she's what the kitchen making some cookies 604: {X} Interviewer: She's 604: What all ya might tell if #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 604: Tell him where she's at #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 okay # and um talking about coffee um you say some people 604: Likes coffee and some don't. Interviewer: Okay 604: I don't. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 and um # 604: {NW} Interviewer: talk about putting milk in your coffee then you say some #1 people # 604: #2 {X} # Some folks puts milk in it and some put sugar and um some don't put any. Interviewer: What do you call it when they don't put anything in it? 604: Drink it black. Interviewer: Okay and um you say some people will eat cornflakes dry but most people might like them 604: Milk on 'em. Interviewer: Huh? 604: Milk and sugar on 'em. Interviewer: Okay so most people like cornflakes how? 604: With milk and sugar. Interviewer: okay and um say if you've gone to town and and happen to see a friend of yours that you hadn't counted on seeing you say well this morning I just have to run? 604: into {X} or somebody like that. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 okay # 604: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and um if a child's given the same that her mother has you say they named the child 604: After its mother. Interviewer: okay and um talking about kinds of animals now {NS} the kind of animal that that barks 604: Dog Interviewer: Okay and if you wanted your dog to attack another dog what would you say? {NW} Sic 'em {X} okay Would you whistle something to him? 604: Uh-huh Just whistle to him or say go get him. Interviewer: uh-huh and um What different types of dogs are there? 604: Oh I don't know. They just all kind of hounds. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: {NW} Interviewer: What do you mean a hound? What's a hound? 604: It's a just an ol' dog. That's a dog. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 604: They're bulldogs and shepherds and hounds and uh all kind. Interviewer: What would what about those real #1 small things? # 604: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 604: #2 # uh beagles Interviewer: But those those real real small noisy dogs that 604: #1 oh # Interviewer: #2 people # keep in their houses. 604: Oh I know. uh I just call 'em dogs I just can't stand a dog in the house. No I wouldn't {X} {X} my friend to come bring a dog. Not that has to get in my house. Interviewer: Yeah 604: I don't have dogs and cats in the house. {NW} Interviewer: {X} Thanks to me our dogs are practically part of the family. 604: {NW} I know some that'll just pick up little dog. {X} I can't stand that. {X} get on my bed like does some folks I'd be washing everyday. Interviewer: {NW} 604: Everyday I couldn't stand that. and I change if dog get up on me I could change my clothes right then. Oo I can't stand dogs. {NW} Interviewer: Well well you just hadn't met my dog. 604: uh-uh Interviewer: Um what about a a little um mixed breed dog you don't know what kind he is Would you have a name for that? Well what about a a 604: {X} dogs Interviewer: A worthless dog? 604: He ain't no good. Interviewer: uh-huh 604: Just no count for nothing. Interviewer: okay and say if you had a real mean dog you might say um 604: It bites you. {NS} Interviewer: and you say yesterday he 604: Bit somebody. Interviewer: okay say that person had to go to the doctor after he got 604: Bit Interviewer: would you ever um say dog bit 604: uh-huh Interviewer: Someone got dog bit? 604: Got dog bit. Interviewer: uh-huh and um the kind of in a herd of cattle what do you call the male? 604: Bulls Interviewer: okay was that word nice to use when you were growing up? 604: Uh-uh {NW} We called 'em magnolias. I don't know what made us {X} Daddy just got us to called 'em that. Interviewer: Magnolia? 604: uh-huh Interviewer: For the bull? 604: uh-huh We hear no magnolia {X} You know we can hear {X}. Interviewer: Was that um now magnolia was that a name for one particular bull or? 604: No uh-uh just always the bull. We called them magnolias. You know there are magnolia trees and Interviewer: uh-huh 604: {X} and things. Interviewer: How did you ever get that name? 604: I don't know. That's why I say I guess me mother and daddy just didn't wanna us say bull ya know? Interviewer: uh-huh 604: and that just taught us that as magnolia. Interviewer: Was that just something that that your family calls 'em #1 or # 604: #2 uh-huh # Interviewer: #1 # 604: #2 # {X} Interviewer: That's unusual I never heard that before. 604: {NW} They didn't let us say things that was embarrassing to 'em ya know? Interviewer: mm-hmm You know what other people called it? who They didn't wanna say bull but 604: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 They didn't say # 604: they just called bull {X} {X} Interviewer: what um What about the the animals that um that that you'd plow with might be? 604: Horses Interviewer: or 604: mules or Interviewer: okay and if you had two of those hitched together 604: It's a {X}. Interviewer: okay and um a little cow when it's first born is called a? 604: calf Interviewer: and the the female's called a? 604: calf Interviewer: okay and the male? 604: calf Both calves. Interviewer: uh-huh 604: When they come here. Interviewer: When they what? 604: When they first come here they're Interviewer: #1 calves # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 604: got to grow into being a bull or a heifer. Interviewer: {NW} Okay and um If you had a cow that was gonna have a calf you'd say your cow was going to? what? 604: uh bring a calf or {X} She's springing like she's gonna bring a calf Interviewer: #1 ya know # Interviewer: #2 okay # 604: she's showing a Interviewer: and um the thing um talking about horses now the females called a 604: A horse and uh the other is called a mare. Interviewer: uh-huh The male is called a horse? 604: Horse. Interviewer: Any other names for him? 604: Stud. Interviewer: Was was that word nice to use or? 604: uh-uh {NW} We just called 'em horses. Interviewer: uh-huh 604: We didn't say stud. Interviewer: yeah 604: but some folks did. Interviewer: Say if if you were riding a horse and you couldn't stay on you say you fell 604: uh-huh Interviewer: what the horse? 604: Fell off the horse. Interviewer: Okay say a child went to sleep in bed woke up found himself on the floor in the morning say I guess I must have 604: I rolled off the bed. Interviewer: Okay 604: {NW} Interviewer: and um {NS} {NS} the things that you put on a horse's feet 604: shoes Interviewer: Okay or the full name of that {NS} is Did did you know a game that that they'd play with those? 604: Mm-hmm play with horseshoes. Interviewer: uh-huh did you ever see instead of using horseshoes um that they'd use rings? 604: No I don't {X} ever did. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: I seen 'em play dollar with dollars ya know and then I play seen 'em play with horseshoe. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: Bring the thing that ya stick up out there bring it with horseshoes. Interviewer: I see and um parts of the horse's feet that ya put the shoes onto would be called a 604: hoof Interviewer: and in all a a horse would have 604: hooves Interviewer: huh 604: All horses would have hooves. Interviewer: Okay and um 604: Mules and horses and jennies and jacks and {NW} Interviewer: You have some some jennies or jacks around here don't you? 604: {X} the two out there. Interviewer: What do you use 'em for? 604: They plow. They don't {X} here. They they plow their gardens with 'em. Interviewer: Why do they use those? 604: They good. They plow just like a plow horse and they don't take a lotta room to turn 'em around. #1 ya know # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 604: in the garden. Interviewer: I thought they were pretty hard to to get them to do anything. 604: {NW} I don't know but that's what they use 'em for. Interviewer: uh-huh Did you ever have sheep? 604: Uh-uh Interviewer: Do you know what people do have sheep for? 604: Uh-huh the wool. Interviewer: uh-huh 604: and a lots of folks eats lamb. Interviewer: I don't see how people could do that. 604: Huh? Interviewer: I don't see how they could do that. 604: I don't eat it. Don't want me no lamb. Interviewer: um 604: I've heared a lamb chops and lamb legs and {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 604: and I don't want it. and I don't want no goat either. Interviewer: You never ate goats? 604: uh-uh Interviewer: Even after you raised them? 604: My Daddy had some one time he didn't keep 'em long but he had some he never eat 'em. Interviewer: {NW} 604: We would. Interviewer: What do you call the the female sheep? 604: Uh {X} Interviewer: mm-kay and what about the male? 604: No {X} no buck. Interviewer: mm-kay Was that word nice to use? 604: I think so. Interviewer: You never really talked about #1 sheep much I don't get? # 604: #2 uh-uh # We didn't have no trouble with sheep. {NW} Interviewer: um talking bout hogs uh when it's first born it's called a? 604: pig Interviewer: and then when it gets older it's a 604: shoat Interviewer: bout how how big does it have to be to be a shoat? 604: A well about time it weans. Interviewer: mm-hmm and um 604: shoats Interviewer: Then after that the female's called a? 604: A gilt. and a an old sow Interviewer: #1 and # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # Interviewer: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 604: {X} little boy hog. {NS} boar Interviewer: uh-huh Was that word boar not nice to use? 604: No we didn't use it. {X} Interviewer: People use that much now? 604: I think so they you know then say anything now. Interviewer: Yeah 604: Boo hoo. Interviewer: {NW} Say if if ya had a pig that you didn't you didn't want to grow up to be a boar what would you say you were gonna do to him? 604: Trim him. Interviewer: Mm-kay Would you use that same word talking about a horse? 604: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about a tom cat? 604: Yeah I guess so. Interviewer: Okay and um say if um after he'd been trimmed then he'd be a? 604: Just a a horse. Interviewer: We're talking bout the 604: Oh uh #1 he'd be a # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 604: {X} Interviewer: okay and um the stiff hairs that a hog has on its back 604: bristles Interviewer: Okay and those long teeth 604: um {NS} it's got hmm tusks. Interviewer: mm-kay 604: {NW} Interviewer: and um Do you have any names for a hog that's grown up wild? 604: Wild hog. Interviewer: uh-huh did anything else? {X} or ridge runner? 604: Yeah {X} hog {X} rooter or anything you want to call it it's out in the woods. Interviewer: mm-hmm #1 um # 604: #2 I # would just call it a wild hog. {NW} Interviewer: The noise that that a cat makes when it's being weaned you'd say the cat began to? 604: Wean the calves. Interviewer: uh-huh what the noise that a cat makes? 604: They {X}. Interviewer: Okay 604: {X} and {X} and Interviewer: What are So are these all different noises? 604: uh-uh {X} Interviewer: uh-huh What about the noise that a cow makes at feeding time? 604: {X} Interviewer: mm-kay and the noise that a horse makes? 604: He'll uh whicker. Interviewer: Okay A hen on a nest of eggs would be called a 604: sitting hen. Interviewer: and where do you keep your hens? Well if you had place built for 'em. 604: In a chicken house. Interviewer: mm-kay What about a place just for the mother hen and and the chicks? 604: A coop. Interviewer: What did that look like? 604: Well different people makes different looking ones. Interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # 604: #2 {NW} # {NW} Oh you can uh make you a pen {X} Put 'em in it. Some of 'em uh has ends to 'em like cat strips across here. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: The biggest can get out and no hen's gonna stay in there #1 to let # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 604: babies is big enough to follow ya know and then let 'em go. Interviewer: mm-hmm and you know when you're eating chicken that the bone this like this 604: mm-hmm #1 Fortune bone # Interviewer: #2 What's that? # huh? 604: Pulley bone. Interviewer: uh-huh 604: Fortune bone or what you wanna #1 call it # Interviewer: #2 fortune bone? # 604: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 604: Some folks calls it fortune bone I always call it pulley bone. Interviewer: uh-huh Are there why is called fortune bone? 604: Oh you know they used to a long time ago claim that if you pull a fortune bone the one got the short side Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: If you stick it up over the door if it was a girl got it the first boy comes under that'd be ya husband. {X} {NW} If it was a girl that'd be ya wife if it was a boy ya know put it up there #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 604: {X} {X} Wasn't nothing to it. Interviewer: Did they um 604: They just called it fortune bones. Interviewer: uh-huh Did they call that short short piece anything? That they put up over the door? 604: No {D: nots} I know of. Interviewer: okay and um the inside parts of a pig or a calf that you eat Was do you have just a general name for for them or? 604: For the cows? Interviewer: #1 the the inside # 604: #2 the beef cow # Interviewer: Yeah the the inside parts that you eat. 604: Such as a liver? Interviewer: mm-hmm what else? 604: Uh that's about all I ever ate and I don't care for that. {X} They have chitlins out of hogs and I Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: don't like that. Interviewer: Wha- what's a chitlins? 604: It's the guts. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: {NW} and uh people eats uh {X} and they call it {X}. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: and they eat uh uh {X} and call it {X} uh yeah liver and {X} and Interviewer: #1 Is this this is all # 604: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 604: #2 # {X} it's in That's uh I call it a spleen. {NW} Interviewer: You talking about a hog or 604: No #1 cat # Interviewer: #2 cat # cat you eat the the liver and {X} in a cow? 604: mm-hmm Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: I don't but ya know people does they sell #1 it # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 604: at the market. Well I guess I just kind cruise about my evening Interviewer: {NW} what um Do you ever see a hog butchered? 604: Oo yeah Interviewer: how how would they do that? 604: They'd shoot it or knock it in the head and then they stick it with a knife in its throat and let it bleed all it would. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: and then uh put the ones it kills usually knows where to hit the right vein to let the blood all come out hog Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: and then they take it and put it in a barrel of water and scald it Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: scape the hair all off of it then hang it up and cut the {NS} intestines out. Interviewer: mm-hmm What what meat would you have? How would you divide that up? 604: Well you cut the hog in two and uh you get the backbone out Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: and then ya take the shoulders off and then the hands off and It's then you have the middlings they called 'em. Interviewer: What's that? 604: That's those whole side of the hog. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: That they make bacon out of. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 604: and uh Some folks take a a leaves the ribs in it and some folks takes the ribs out. Interviewer: mm-hmm Do you um when you talk about bacon or um Well what are you talking about exactly? Are you talking about something that's already been sliced or? 604: We didn't have it sliced. No you don't have it. the whole side You can have it uh cured Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: and then you'd have it cut just as much as you want. Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: Sliced into bacon. {NS} Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} {NS} what um {NS} What do you call the outside part that edge that 604: skin Interviewer: okay and um {NS} what kind of of meat might you use to boil with greens? 604: bacon Interviewer: mm-hmm What if it's got more fat to it than bacon does? 604: uh-huh Well if it's got more fat than it has {X} well that's just just boil that in vegetables to season it. Interviewer: mm-hmm What do you call that? 604: I call it bacon. Interviewer: mm-hmm I'm thinking of the- there are other kinds of things that you might use like um fat salt pork or something 604: Yeah well it's all uh bacon. Salt pork is bacon Interviewer: uh-huh 604: and uh dried pork is bacon. {NW} and uh fats is just what ya cook out {X} uh cracklins Interviewer: mm-hmm 604: and uh get the fat out of it and that makes grease. Interviewer: mm-hmm Would you ever talk about um side meat or salt belly or fat backs? 604: Yeah they called it all that I just called all bacon that's all the same piece. Interviewer: uh-huh what what are those other words that that people use for 604: bacon? Interviewer: Yeah besides bacon what else are they called? 604: bellies I don't know they call it that or not. Interviewer: uh-huh um then you might take um take the trimmings and and slice 'em up and grind 'em and season it and 604: Make sauces. Interviewer: okay and uh what do you call the man that sells the meat? 604: uh man that works in the market? #1 is um # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 604: I don't know. Works at the slaughter house uh Interviewer: What would you call a man that slaughters the meat? 604: Butcher I guess. {NS} Interviewer: and if meat's been kept too long you say that the meat is 604: rancid Interviewer: okay or but the meat has 604: {X} spoiled Interviewer: okay and What can you make with the meat from the hog's head? 604: Uh hog head {X} #1 cheese # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 604: Some folks called it hog head cheese and some calls it {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Is there anything made by cooking and grinding up the liver? 604: I don't know unless it's gravy. Interviewer: mm-hmm Do you ever hear of anything being made out of the blood? 604: bladder Interviewer: The blood 604: Oh no never have Interviewer: What about um did you ever hear of scrapple or {X} or anything like that? um and suppose you kept butter too long and it didn't taste right 604: It would be rancid. Interviewer: okay and um think sour milk that you keep you call that? 604: claver or buttermilk Interviewer: okay is um talking about the claver is there anything that you make from that? 604: Yeah you make bread with it. Interviewer: mm-hmm Any kind of cheese or something like that? 604: Yeah yeah you'd make cheese too. Interviewer: What kind of cheese? 604: I don't know what you called it. We used to know but uh Interviewer: say um something the first thing you have to do after milking is you have to 604: strain the milk Interviewer: okay and um something baked in a deep dish it's sort of like a a pie well it's got several layers of prune and dough 604: pies Interviewer: uh-huh like you might put down a a layer of dough and then put down some apples and then keep on going 604: Make apple pie or Interviewer: mm-kay and um {NS} What kind of um bread are there? 604: bread? Interviewer: yeah 604: {NW} Well that's kinda Interviewer: What are some kinds that you remember making? for your parents 604: Corn bread and biscuit bread and uh light bread shortening bread Interviewer: What's what's light bread? 604: light bread loaf bread Interviewer: uh-huh What do you put in it to make it rise? 604: Oh ya have to have yeast. Interviewer: mm-hmm um what what else is made out of cornmeal besides cornbread? 604: What ya mean dressing and Interviewer: just 604: chicken or turkey or #1 something # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # but say something that you might um "O" shape in your head like 604: Oh uh ho cakes Interviewer: okay 604: {NW} Bake ho cakes Interviewer: uh-huh 604: I've heared of that. Interviewer: How is that made do you remember?