625:  {X} this morning I just eat some cereal.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  Milk and cereal. Corn flakes, you know? I usually do that sometimes. Breakfast when I don't {D: do} {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um {NW} Well can you tell me about the first house you lived in mr Moran, what it what it was like, what it looked like and and everything
625:  You mean when I was young or
Interviewer:  Yeah when you were a young kid. When you were a young man.
625:  Well the first house I lived in was made out of {NW} of course out of lumber. It was uh uh it three bedroom and a living room.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And a made out of {NW} uh black board but it was sealed inside, you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And uh we had a kitchen uh you know backwards you know? Where it was facing north and then south the kitchen separate. Facing {D: running} south you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  {X} course we'd come on the porch and then the porch would come all the way on through to the house. {X} Them house them days was built it was {X} uh bedroom you might see two beds in the front room.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And that living room and there and and the side there was an {X} between the two rooms like that, before we used to {D: make 'em like that lot} you understand what I mean?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  {D: Like this it'd be all} {X} {X} And then uh that room go in that house the doors would be from the outside you see they would go in there from the inside. {D: from way back there} that room We found most of the houses I remember going in were built like that, that way. {NS} O- on one they had two you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And uh my mother had a them days they used old iron pot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And she had a a shelf right outside the window there. And a shed over it. And she'd uh had a she'd uh wash her pots and turn 'em put 'em in there you know? {D: Then happens that way} {X} {D: pot and pans} {D: in fact they all have it} iron pot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And this uh fellow here had a pot {D: fellow here too} And uh I remember she used to have big old iron pot {X} {D: cut} full of {X} full of sweet potatoes put them wood put fire under it and found toppings and bake 'em and it seem like they'd taste better than they do when they cook 'em so.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  I mean when they'd {X} {D: they were wild down too when they} {X} seem {D: maybe he's been out here but} {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  So {D: he he} you can have an idea about what a {X}
Interviewer:  #1 O- okay #
625:  #2 {X} # nothing like the drawing you know?
Interviewer:  Thank you lots.
625:  {X}
Interviewer:  Wha- how long have you lived here in this trailer? In the trailer? {NS}
625:  I been living here about {NS} oh I guess about I I'd say I think if I remember about five years.
Interviewer:  I see. Uh when your wife was living, y'all lived in a house down there right?
625:  That's right, on the right on the interstate in County Farm and fifty-three over there, the southeast corner you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And uh my son had bought a place and and the man he bought it with had just {X} leave {X} {D: had uh} renovated the house and everything and {NS} {NW} {X} a stove in there. {NS} And uh a few dishes and things.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  But that's all he had in there. I moved some of my things in there and live in there 'til uh after my uh {NW} Had the house that was gonna, I was gonna put a well there and and move over there and my wife passed away, that man just uh
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  Didn't do anything else, you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um did you have a name for the that little kitchen when it was off to the when it was off from the house like that?
625:  You mean when we What did I do there?
Interviewer:  Yeah in your first house.
625:  Uh no there because really what it was a kitchen and dining room together. Because uh my mother used a stove in there and there's a it was big enough for us to sometimes it wasn't too cold we'd just sit there and eat supper and after after that we'd go to bed, {D: we'd build the houses and the hou-} real fine house, you see?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see.
625:  We s- we spent most of the time in there.
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  {X} there was a porch in front of it and then right on the uh as you wa- walked out in the front end there was it had a pump there for water.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And uh then my daddy built a shed over it. See? You can go there and pump water and uh {C: coughing} rain or shine and the them days we had shelf and had bucket water bucket and we had wash pad in there they'd wash with you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  Towel hanging in there and everything it was everybody pretty well all over the country that's what they did, you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay uh but the kitchen was a little bit off from the house right?
625:  A little bit, about I'd say six, seven feet, something like that {X} I can't even remember, you know?
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um now mr Moran what would you you said you used to burn wood right?
625:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  So uh you burn it in a uh well you burn it in in a fireplace right?
625:  Right. Right we burn lighted wood. In the fireplace we'd store uh uh {D: lone leaves} trees and and and save it for stove wood. You see we used stove wood. Tha- that's what we used for stove wood.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um now the smoke would go up through what'd you what would go up through the what? You had a
625:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Can you tell me about the fireplace? About all the, you know, all the parts of the fireplace?
625:  Well the fireplace we had them days and and uh and everybody else that I know of out through the country. Did uh and they'd get {NW} a full piece of uh hard timber and they'd hew it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And they'd drill holes in two of 'em uh one they'd put one up against the wall {D: of the} house and they'd c- bring it to close it top level And then they'd put the they'd pi- they'd put in the uh put make make hard pieces and round it. And put in between in those holes and then the others they'd just put on top of it like that, inside of the wood.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  So uh then they'd dig a hole back in there where they gonna put the fireplace and dig a big hole {X} take the top surface {NW} dirt off.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And then they'd get that we'd go out I remember when I was a kid they'd be on the chimney, they'd send a bunch of kid out. Get a lotta sage grass. And just pull it up you know and come and put it in the wagon. I remember one day we had we had so much on the wagon was coming {X} And then uh they hit a bump and it kinda rolled and I rolled snap off it some of it rode off with me, we had to stop and reload it and get back on it you know. They had to get on it to hold it you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And uh we you you we we pull our shoes off and get in then the water and and make mud with our feet. With that dirt in there. And then we'd take it and throw it throw it to someone on outside the mud hole and then they'd throw it to the one on the making the fireplace and they'd start from the bottom and lay a place, put a fireplace and everything and they start put these stick as they go up you know? And they'd make sure that all the wood was {X} to take it with dirt and with mud inside {D: to keep} And in-
Interviewer:  #1 Wha- #
625:  #2 side {X} #
Interviewer:  The grass was {D: free} for what?
625:  The grass was to hold uh the the dirt together.
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  Cuz once it it'd get hard it was just like cement over there. And then there's the the {X} build a slow rock {D: bind} in it and let it kinda dry slowly you know? And when that clay was uh dry, baked just like they'd fix the fireplace there and the uh {NS} {D: the} {D: It last} just like a almost as good as uh ce- cement. You know? If you knew how to do it you know? And they'd had those fireplace there's some of 'em would drill in {X} put a big piece of wood in it, you know? And they'd and the the outside I guess it'd be outside and and inside would be about that high from the {X} {D: corridor}
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  And I I I remember my {NW} we'd always {X} here and we'd have nails o- nail up above the {NS} And they'd take what they call a s- a spare rib and tie 'em with string and hang 'em up there.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And and cook 'em by the fireplace. Heated it fire you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And once the wire had turned around you'd put a pan or something under it to catch the fat that had dripped you know? We'd put sauce on it. {X} was good, they talking about barbecue now but {D: they didn't} have us eating that way you know?
Interviewer:  Huh. Uh now mr Moran what would you call the thing that smoke went up through?
625:  Well that they'd call that the well the chimneys uh but uh
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  Its uh its you had to kinda know how to build it {D: first to go some} some people had built 'em and they'd I don't remember how you do it, the way they you had to build a little bit inside
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  form of form of grass you know to {D: to go with smoke}
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  And uh some of 'em if you didn't build 'em right the smoke would come back in the house you know and it'd smoke smoke {X} get in there and do 'em over you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  But most of the people that uh uh build 'em before they learned how to uh they knew how to build 'em you know?
Interviewer:  #1 Um #
625:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  What what was the open place in front of the fire? What was that called?
625:  Well it it becomes we- we'll say this is a a fireplace here you see?
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
625:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  {NW} It was {D: come here further} on the board you know?
625:  #1 It #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
625:  it it make a sub floor down there and make put dirt in it and left uh that put some of that way down further inside so the the the the the board wouldn't catch fire, maybe six eight inches you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  So the the the boards wouldn't catch fire so much you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And so the fireplace was way back there but them days they didn't they they uh we used just lighted wood only.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  Uh course the last year lately people's got chimney now {D: they they they} use little lighted wood up. Or some dry wood to start a fire and they use hardwood. We don't have no lighted wood, it's all burned up in the wood you know? But people would use to burn every year and they'd and uh it'd burn maybe for two or three weeks. Any time people would just light it, burn it, millions and millions of dollars worth of wood burning in this country, you know?
Interviewer:  Well what what'd you call that open area there? You call it the
625:  {NW} well it it really is a firepl- uh {NW}
Interviewer:  The the floor there, do you call it the hearth?
625:  I really just call it uh far as I know they call it fireplace, I remember my mother used to even cook uh corn bran ho cake in there in the fire i- in the in the fire there sometimes you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah will you tell tell me about how she used to cook that.
625:  Well in the in the like cornbread she'd she'd pick it and put it in there and put a little fire under it sh- she knew how much {D: well then} she'd put a little on top.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And she knew about how much to how long to let it stay there and she'd take it take that lid off the always had {X} uh cast iron right there, little thing she had a I think she put a had a little handle she put uh iron piece she put in there and take it off, turn it over {D: and throw the} fire over it and then uh {NW} had something to potholder that you take th- that had its own handle you know? Take it and put it off and then she'd let it cool a little bit and take the potatoes out and the cornbread too, she'd cook cornbread in there.
Interviewer:  So what was the hoecake? How did she make hoecake?
625:  Make make that out of flour. Call it uh people'd call it galette {NS} just dough make dough you know and roll it flat
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  {D: cook 'em in soup} In fact uh course we'd had the stove sometimes she'd uh she'd do the same thing make biscuits put it in the stove and cook 'em you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  But we uh what we always uh liked for her we'd rather have that hoecake {D: to} think it had a be- better flavor you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. Um so you you uh you never called it the hearth right? You never call it that?
625:  No I I people build they'd build thing outside, they'd build a put four poles there about four feet square and they'd bu- build a good solid foundation bottom and they'd put about seven or eight inches of uh uh clay in that you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And then they'd uh they'd cook and they'd build a shed over it and they'd put a smoke stack or something to draw smoke up the top and {D: when the then the} they'd be open you know? Smoke would uh wind'd blow the smoke and they'd even go out there and and uh cook something like that on there, then they had the they did have what they used them days they'd build something like that and maybe another about four f- foot square.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And they'd take a they had what they call these uh uh wooden barrel there you know, like flour barrels?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  They'd take it and put it in there and they'd they'd take that clay and then they'd put all over it you know? And they'd put about four inches thick and start all the way down and and uh {X} they'd fix front there so they could put a a a gate up or something there then close it, you prop something up against it you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And uh and they let it sit there for a few days and when they'd taken {X} they'd they'd they put a fire in there in that barrel all them {D: wood} to burn you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And then that thing get hard and they'd make {D: then he make} uh when they want to make they make l- light grass {D: that owned it} {NW} they got ready to cook it and they were gonna cook it that day out in the morning, go there and build a big fire and then put a big {X} would have piece of iron they'd put it {D: though} And uh they'd get that thing good and hot had a place for the smoke to come out and uh when they'd get through they'd take all that fire out and sweep it all out and they'd put the bed in there and the {D: say that's all on and} they'd cook it. They they they cook uh uh bread like that uh uh bake uh rolls chi- uh pork rolls make chicken and everything in it. It'd stay hot, it'd keep the heat that long you know? They'd put about I guess four to six inches uh clay all around it, when they get all that {D: hardened} stay hard a long time and later I'd say the nineteen uh {NW} {NW} fifties I was working in {D: New Yearn} over there. We'd make anything outta ci- outta cement like that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And they'd put a ga- uh a door on it or something and they they they heat that thing they'd build a fire in there and heat it. And then they'd uh make make cook anything in it. But back then they'd done it with a barrel and they'd burn it up and they'd play guitar and they had a shed over it you know? They if it rained it didn't hurt it you see?
Interviewer:  Um. What would you call the things in a fireplace you'd lay the uh lay the wood across? There were two
625:  Uh they call them firedogs.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um and up above the the thing you'd have a a place where you'd set a clock or something like that, up above the fireplace?
625:  Yeah they call that uh uh m- mantel mantelpiece.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um now uh what would you call the stuff you know that came up through the chimney and you'd get it on your face maybe, you'd call it?
625:  That's smut.
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  Smut {X}
Interviewer:  And uh and then also you know the stuff you have to clear out of the out of the fireplace out of the fireplace after every fire. It's white.
625:  Well the ashes you have to scoop out most of the people used to they'd take the ashes out of there and they'd put it around the fig trees, you know {D: fruit tree there} {X} {D: Thank mr Willard which I be that too}
Interviewer:  Is that so?
625:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Huh. Um. Yeah um what'd you call the big piece of wood that you uh you know that you put in after you got the lighted going?
625:  Well {NW} we would {D: we'd usually} call that a a choke you know?
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
625:  #2 {X} # right now they'll cut some uh uh {X} they go ahead and chunk the wood and put it in the fire you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. Um. Now uh I want to ask you some questions about some of the stu- some of the stuff in the house. What would you call it all the stuff in the house you know?
625:  Well we had uh uh uh {NS} a dresser there we had a I guess it's a kind of a marble-shaped piece on top of it, but it must have been a neat stick or something you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And uh them days we didn't have uh uh screens or screens you know way back there?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  I remember when I was a little boy we had a we raised a rooster there I don't know where he cou- could how {D: he he} he was {D: fighting the} {X} {D: by himself} and uh they had the we always raised our own {X} chickens you know?
Interviewer:  {NW}
625:  Daddy got two three rooster and brought that one. {D: so he keep it in there} He had to get rid of it The only way that he'd kill 'em you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And he got in the house once or twice he got up on that dresser. And we had to watch him, we had to keep the front door closed sometimes. Uh where he come from, where the door he come in from you know? He He get up there in his uh in he'd get in that glass there and fighting the glass with himself you know? He's always fighting another rooster. He broke a many pitcher and glasses we we put him on there and forget about him you know? And then we had Oliver. Uh what they call {D: those army} you put clothes in and you hang something you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And uh do what we had to places and uh those that room we had the little uh cabinet like {X} to hang clothes in and then shelf on it to put clothes in you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  Course then they were all homemade and uh now days people buy them all you know? But they were all homemade and the just handy as the one uh you find now you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh well you sit of course on a what would you call this?
625:  We'd call that {D: why} I I believe a a a sofa they call 'em, we had some is small one they call 'em loveseats you know?
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  {X}
Interviewer:  Alright. And uh and then maybe what you're sitting in would be called a
625:  Well to tell the truth I don't believe they had a chair uh re- reclines like this {X} most they all had rocking chairs you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah uh-huh.
625:  Had {D: good rockers} {X} and different kind they had had some uh {NS} um a lot of people we had some chair made out of wood with cow hide seat on it you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  There's a man up there on this road uh this road {D: cannery rows they have back there now} They they can differ but he used cow hide for the bottom. He makes rockers he se- there he sell twenty-seven he did sell 'em twenty-seven maybe more now.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay all this stuff you know all the stuff you'd sit in, your tables and chairs and everything, you call what? The
625:  Uh.
Interviewer:  You call it the {NS}
625:  Well it I ain't gonna tell you what my mother had a when she married her daddy made a a a dining room table.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And uh it was made out of cypress. There wasn't a nail in it. Every every t- t- table was the the leg was the pieces was {D: more then} you couldn't hardly tell it. And you drill little hole and you drill a piece of cypress through there. And then you cut it off real smooth. And uh you couldn't tell it and and uh I that {D: they'd just like to} drill a I I last one had it and I had been there house and old house I had there and uh and I was off, I had a chunk and another thing there and somewhere and another and I was off working and they'd call to find everything {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  But that the the tables {X} he made it himself.
Interviewer:  Um yeah and you call all this stuff together that you say you had to move from one house to another house you'd have to move your Do you have a name for it? You know all the st- fixings in the house? Everything?
625:  Well uh
Interviewer:  You ever call it the furniture?
625:  From what I saw in the uh in in uh the I I I I think that what mostly they call it household goods. Because uh {NW} {D: Bresten I've read in} in in the in the on the record and too and the book and years gone by on {X} the one in Louisiana over there and {NS} checked uh on some land there. Talking about people selling they {X} them days they had to take a inventory of all the household goods. Socks. Gun. Bed chairs and furniture um of all kinds they all this f- f-
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  We call that house all household good had to be uh listed
Interviewer:  Okay. Um did you ever have did you have a room at the top of the house say um just under the roof? {NS} What would you call that?
625:  Well uh we call that an attic. We had a place there where we had to fix so we we could put some things up there through the window you know and we
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  we had some {D: mortar} over there {X} and we figured {X} we didn't use one year for {D: Maryland} we put it up there, we had a ladder to go up there. {D: pull it see?} We call that the attic.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um uh what'd you call a a where where'd you store all your useless stuff? You know, you had a bunch of useless tools and stuff like that, furniture what would you do with it? {NS}
625:  Well uh I remember since I was a kid my daddy had a always had a place out in the barn, a little with a floor in it he'd keep all things like that in you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And then the tools, he'd hang 'em up and some of it on the on the floor. And uh then the next {X} he had a fee- feed room you see?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And we kept he kept a lot of thing in there if we wanna and I remember when I got big enough I I built one myself {D: before I could uh my dad was get} getting older and I built one just off the ground like that and the {X} big enough that I could put things in there they wouldn't have to go in and I could hang it all over the place and {D: on the} inside and the what I wanted to put on the floor and I could just stand and get anything I want you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And some thing cuz it's too big to put in there well then I'd put 'em in the uh in the in the shed I had had the feed room out there you see?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  Wouldn't be so much uh you couldn't put all that in the feed room and be be too messy, I never would put nothing like that in my feed room you see?
Interviewer:  What'd you call all that stuff you know, useless or leftover stuff? Did you have a name for it?
625:  Well uh the only thing is uh is is uh anybody'd ask something I'd say it's in the supply room I guess, that's where we'll keep all the tools and everything, tool room I guess we'd call it mostly a tool room you know?
Interviewer:  Okay. Um yeah. Did you ever call it junk or or
625:  Well uh I I guess a lotta the time they was mentioned was built you know go there and ac- actually use you'd get a place uh {X} {NW} our son got a a garage where sometime he keep, put his car in there you know? {NS} {X} {NS} He'd he'd bui- he'd be working on something build something there and he'd keep the car out for a while and they he'd go in there somebody's {X} course he clean it, when he get through he cleans it out, he put everything in its place and then he he got some things in there and I wanted to build a po- a porch out there for me, he had all of them just {D: back in there} He got to see me and I want him {X} {D: sitting on their} swing porch out there you know so I could sit out there and in the evenings when the sun come from this way now.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And out there and keep them mosquitoes out you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um did you have a little room off from the kitchen where you'd store canned goods mr. Moran? Canned goods?
625:  Well yeah we had a place in there {D: we} uh canned uh put up a lot of stuff {X} shelf and some of the bottom put the heavy stuff, you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  But at that time {NW} people didn't can anything.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  You know? {X} when we began to can stuff. Course what we {D: raised and then the keeper'd be} we'd raise uh them days you could raise peas of all kind and cook 'em year round. We we raised red beans raised we raised peas, raised uh uh all kinds of beans and peas and {X} and we had dry bean and peas black beans year round.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
625:  #2 {X} # You know?
Interviewer:  What'd you call that little room? Do you have a name for it?
625:  Well uh
Interviewer:  You call it the pantry or?
625:  I think uh I I guess that's what we'd call it you know? Because we kept all that stuff in one little room there and then in another place we'd keep stuff for the in the what we would buy and put in there, you know? I remember {D: a gal} my daddy used to raise sugar cane make syrup and he had a big place he'd have a place he'd put in in the in the place where in the kitchen he had a place put there, put it on the floor.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And he'd put some in {D: 'em} sometime out there in the feed room where he was uh {D: having} {X} place to put it in there and we'd carry it in as we needed you know? We'd have syrup year round you see?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Um. Now what would you sweep with?
625:  Sweep the floor?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  Well I remember they used to go out and get some sage and make a a broom where they used to get pine straw it wasn't too dry they'd get 'em and make a it wasn't about that big around and take an old broom handle and stick it and that's uh just good as anything but a- any broom you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And uh but my mother would always keep a broom with that and uh and I see they made a lot of it. She'd sweep the floor with it and sweep just as good as a uh a w- a w- {X} And you could buy a broom then {NW} uh six {X} broom would be thirty cents. That is {D: for the lesser and nobody wrote before} and now when I get it it cost you about a dollar and a half two dollars.
Interviewer:  Uh. What'd you call a um where'd you keep the broom? I mean #1 Was there #
625:  #2 Well #
Interviewer:  a place where you keep it or just
625:  well they had a always had a place to uh to keep a broom and she would never let anybody put a broo- uh the broom down on the broom she always make 'em stand up uh o- o- {X} always put the handle down and the broom up you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  {NW} some people, I've seen people sweep with a broom it it wasn't all that wire just cook it like that you know, they'd sweep sideways they'd s- lay down there on on the on the floor like that you know and they'd they'd bend it over.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  But I've got a broom here, I've had since I been {NS} {D: and uh} {X} {NS} {D: pretty awesome isn't it?} It's getting wore a little bit but it's just uh
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  {X}
Interviewer:  {X}
625:  If I put it down then it'd be all crooked {NS} {X} {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  I sweep here sometimes and {D: people'll} come here and and and sweep and uh {X} never I have uh I have when it's raining but uh {D: North} I'd go up {X} and that door'd be open there {D: the rain in into the yard} sweep that water out and then I'd I set it out in the sun and let it dry you know? I wouldn't let {D: I put put it} {X} soak in the bu- {D: in down} you know?
Interviewer:  If uh if the broom was say if the broom was behind the door and you wanted me to go get it you'd say uh the broom is where compared to the door? If something was behind the door you'd say the broom is where compared to the door.
625:  Right you'd say the broom was back of the door.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um years ago on Mondays women used to do what was it they used to do? Say on Mondays or one day a week?
625:  Well a Monday or Tuesday they'd generally take uh ha- there'd be a big wash day.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  Yeah. And I remember uh one time we had a spring {X} {D: little} and I had uh {D: this} wo- lotta wood around there and my mother had a washpot, them days they used a washpot. She done washboarding.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And uh she'd always send me uh wasn't wasn't that uh about uh uh about as far from here to there that household there {X} back of the house she'd t- she'd have the clothes ready, she'd take take help me take clothes and and uh go go bring it down there and build a fire and I had, there's a bucket down there and I'd always take the axe and the some matches, I'd go down there and put the water water in there and I'd I'd build a fire on it, put the water in, put the clothes in it. And by the time that she come there the water was hot and she'd give me some washing pot {X} put it in it you know? it's it's water little bit and she'd come there and then she'd uh rinse it out. And uh that'd help with the for us to clean the clothes you see.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Um what would you call washing and ironing done together? I mean Did you ever do did she ever do 'em both in one day? I mean she'd say she was going to do the {X} in one day she did the washing and ironing say she did the what?
625:  {X} one day s- {NW} do the washing maybe next day or the following day she'd do the uh ironing and fold up the clothes you know?
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
625:  #2 {X} # the same day.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um what would you use um what would you call what you got uh I mean if you're in a two-story building and you want to get from the first to the second floor what would you use to get there?
625:  We had uh steps. Steps to go up you know?
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  {D: But}
Interviewer:  Yeah and they called it a they call those those things from the first to the second floor they call them the what?
625:  They call 'em a a upstairs {X} Second floor. {X} the second floor and upstairs.
Interviewer:  If the door was open and you wanted you didn't want it that way what would you tell somebody to do?
625:  Tell 'em to to close the door.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh now what would you call boards on the outside of your house that would lap over each other?
625:  We call them weather boards.
Interviewer:  Weather board?
625:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um and the part of the roo- the part that covers the house you call the
625:  The the roof.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh mr Moran what would what would the little things that were run water off the roof there on the edge of the roof?
625:  Uh they call them gutters. Gutters you see, they go up, run all around and come {X} and go down you see? They run run all around the down on the around in the house. And at one time people used to have uh uh big old system made of maybe eight foot in diameter then about eight seven eight foot tall. They had a faucet down there and people would catch and then they had the water all the gutters, water'd run into there.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
625:  #2 You # use that water for for uh scrubbing and washing and {X} even uh {X} the washing and scrubbing you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  Some people would have a top to put on it and they'd even use it for drinking water you know?
Interviewer:  Is that so?
625:  They'd they'd fix it so that nothing could get in it you see. And use it for drinking water.
Interviewer:  Yeah. It was a you call it a cistern?
625:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Big old barrel right?
625:  It it's made outta uh {X} cypress {D: David it's} uh I I I think {D: they're} call them water cisterns you know?
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  I know {D: I I} worked at the well several places I've seen 'em {X} {D: with them trying to} {X} And they found a deep well there and they had big one water all over they had turpentine in a lot of the {X} {D: they made quarters you know all alone} before they could get water.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And they had a cistern up there {X} {NW} I don't know how many, it must have been about uh ten twelve for the dime {D: and turn} about twelve fourteen for the hide you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And the pump {X} all the time working uh pumped so much and when he get his {X} stops you know? It it kept taking water uh put water all the time
Interviewer:  Huh.
625:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Um now what'd you call the place where the behind a house see the top of the house would end in L. What'd you call the place where the two roofs come together? And and you know the water would run down 'em? On top of the roof?
625:  Yeah. Well that they had uh uh when they have two roof coming together like they they it it it call that a valley and it it it run it {X} {X} so the they had to put a till behind us so that the w- water wouldn't get up and then run and uh I know they'd always have it fixed it looked like so it would run out the one end and the other.
Interviewer:  Huh.
625:  And well sometimes it run out from both ends. But I w- man there was too many houses build like that, they built I I see 'em built sometimes where they're close like that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And they they have a roof that leak but they wouldn't be too full, but I have seen the {X} say that uh
Interviewer:  Um did you have a did you have a little house where you'd store wood? Or or tools? A house where you store wood, what did you call that?
625:  Well uh {NW} no we we didn't have we had a box on the porch where we'd uh always when the weather was good we'd put a lot of wood in it you know? On the on the back porch somewhere there was {D: one of these} kitchen one in the the house {NW} and the w- we- we would {D: dry and wet 'em} and uh wood we cut a lot of wood and put in there in order {X} come rain or something we'd have plenty, and we'd always keep that full of wood you see?
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  And then the all we had to do was just go outside the door uh on the porch to get it you see?
Interviewer:  Okay. Um what'd you call outdoor toilets?
625:  Well uh most people {X} call 'em a little outhouse. You know?
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  Some of 'em call it a toilet {NW} outhouse you know?
Interviewer:  But y'all did have your toilet outside?
625:  We had we uh {D: had} people #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
625:  then they uh and uh They'd build 'em and some people dig dig a big hole {D: giant} deep you know? And they'd tore that dirt out and then they'd build a a toilet and then when they'd build it they'd put that dirt all around so the water wouldn't run in there. From the rainwater you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And of course uh people would go in there all the time and there'd always be a little water in there and uh but then uh the odor wouldn't be too bad you see? Always had the {NW} most of the people had a a cover on it you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  {D: Where you with} hinges on it you go there and you graze it and when you'd get through you'd put it down there, keep the odor from and with a lotta water there there's always a little water going next to seep in, it could be {D: barely} so it wouldn't, wouldn't seep enough to always keep it closed, it wouldn't run over you know?
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Can you tell me about some of the buildings on the farm? Uh like you know some of the buildings? Some of the places where you keep things. Keep the animals?
625:  Well {NW} {D: well there were} well everybody had uh uh maybe two to three buildings.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And sometimes more, one of 'em some of 'em had uh a cool trim maybe on the side of the barn and some of 'em had it {X} barn you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  It {X} went on the back end, it tore the corn from his back end you know and then they'd uh they go and they had the window and they'd they'd go up in {X} go in the barn, he go in there and get the corn you see? That's for the they'd they'd have {D: corn} on each side for the horses you see? And uh we some of 'em had {X} we had a big old bunch {D: corn sweeping barn} just big shelves and the the big loft. We'd put hay in there and the put the cattle in there you see?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  In the wintertime you'd come in there like in in and we'd {D: get us all} uh put 'em in there, they'd go in and out, we wouldn't shut 'em in the barn but they had a lock, they could walk in and out. Cuz uh when they'd come, sometimes they wouldn't come every night you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And then in the spring of the year we'd gather {X} people had cows, when I was a boy uh they'd have cans of they had cows that give uh as much as two gallons of milk or more she'd feed him the plenty of piney wood cows you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  I remember we used to have cows {D: we could} as soon as we began to find {X} so old we'd uh we'd start milking them you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And uh we'd get up in the morning early and my mother'd we we'd go in there and she'd milk 'em, we'd tie the calf and and she'd milk 'em. We'd have milk, {X} And uh in the following year sometime we'd pick one to milk and the {D: I don't know what else} and feed it, she'd come at night and we'd feed it and milk it and put the calf out and uh we'd have milk sometimes. Through the winter.
Interviewer:  Did you have a place where you'd feed 'em?
625:  Well yeah we had a stall we'd put 'em in you know?
Interviewer:  Okay. Um well uh what about um did you have a place where you'd store grain? mr Moran?
625:  Well we had a call it corn crib there beside the old side
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  feed room, it wasn't separate from the feed room you #1 see? #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
625:  But the c- {D: the corn though} and the we'd always make pretty good bit of corn and the the then we didn't need no we didn't buy no fertilizer.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  We did our own fertilizer. {D: We'd use} you know?
Interviewer:  Um well uh what about the uh if hay, if you had too much hay in the barn you had to keep some out in the field what you keep it in? What would you call it?
625:  We s- stack it. Put a s- s- a hole in the ground and stack it round the put it round this and stomp on it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  But I I've seen the, I've done that. And I've seen people one of my wife's brother one time his daddy died and he come there and took over and he had two big boy named Charlie and {D: Hubful} And uh the rest of it he'd cut while he had hay coal stock and everything.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And he just uh hauled that stuff, he got some help. He c- he just pile it up that coal stock and everything and he stomped it. And in the following year he start putting cows in there and do you know spring come, there wasn't a piece of straw there uh {X} So after that I said why in the world you wanna uh put it in the barn and stamp it? Rain or shine, they stayed there they uh they wouldn't put 'em in there with wet and they'd {D: dry to put in it} {D: There wasn't} a bit of it, there wasn't a piece of corn stock there. That shows you what people do when they try it you know?
Interviewer:  Huh. Um what would you did you ever see a uh did you ever see a um well when you first cut the hay and it was lying out in the field in little piles what'd you call those little piles? You have a word for them?
625:  Well uh uh it was uh I was a married and had children before all of the the uh when they started using lawnmowers on on more more machines you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And uh and we'd uh no we'd cut first we had some what we call {X} they were about that tall you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And sometime we'd call and cut the corn stock and {D: stark 'em and} cut that hay. And then we had the native clover. {D: And they were strollers} with the I've seen the {X} and the picking up a hill like that, hold it straight up like that they'd {D: help} and still {D: hold} touch lay down on the ground you know? And uh that clover you didn't have to cut it. It {X} this one on there right there the way you'd cut and start cutting {D: yeah?} Maybe you'd wind up way over there and you'd have all this other cut {X} we had to come back and cut another wedge, start again you know? But the way it {X} this one you had to cut from it you see when
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  {D: And about} I don't know we'd just let 'em call or I don't know we'd just call 'em {X} Uh and I I we'd start cutting out out {X} get one of my brother and start cutting, they {X} by the I guess the neck of the cut. {D: Ain't it clover} we started one morning {X} cut all day that day and the next mor- the next day we'd cut through about uh four o'clock that evening and then them boys come up hard rain and it and and that flow was {X} He'd cut it and you can't cut it all the way except {X} when you went through you cut it and it's in the fire you know? And when another fire lit up it still breathes and it rained for two a couple days hard too and and uh and the sunshine come out stayed about two days, I went there about the second day and I took and I began to {X} {X} about ten o'clock. Then uh {NW} That evening I went there and I made a {X} The next morning about ten o'clock I went there and the {D: note that again boarded steam} {D: I couldn't get ready} You could see smoke coming out of it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {X}
625:  Sprayed it again and that night I I made a bigger pile and the next day I went there about ten o'clock and over a month we was seeing smoke all over that place it was steam coming out of it you know? And then that uh that evening about two o'clock I got {D: help} {X} spread it out very thin you know? And the gr- ground was {X} hay {NW} just pure and green the leaves of uh fell it it'd been dry. And and wet but yet the leaves was falling off you see.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  But none of it fell off and and I got some help took that hay in and we just {X} as it could be.
Interviewer:  Huh. Um did you ever have a did you ever see a covered haystack that had four poles maybe and a slight roof? You never saw one of those?
625:  No.
Interviewer:  {D: Not the fifth?} Okay. Um now what can you tell me about some of the places where you keep the animals. You said uh did you have any did you have any uh what animals did you have on the place? And where would you keep
625:  Well I had a I had a horse, I had it {D: with} sometime. {D: I had a bunch of} {NW} I had two pair of mules two different times uh and and then {NW} uh three and four horses. {X} you know had always had one good plow horse and I had {X} one time I had uh {X} {X} {NW} {D: care for another yoke} steer for my boy one time and we traded off uh a mare and a colt
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And then I had a a an old mare and a and both of them they raised the colt with 'em so we had them two and had that old black mare and then bought a pair of mules. And one of 'em died and I sold the other one and then I bought another pair of mules. {NW} And uh we used them to plow with, we had the old mare {X} she was I'd always use her to plow my gardens and things like that, she could plow without her {X} she just talked to you, she'd go you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  One of the best plow horses around in the country. The mule was good too but I could h- if I wanted to plow little stuff like {D: to hold my} nine times she {X} to walk you know? And if I say gee gee I didn't want to say it too loud she {X}
Interviewer:  To go to the right?
625:  She she go to the left gee and haw she'd come right.
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  And she knew that just as good as anybody. I could {X} but just taking one at the other end and one here and I'd move it every time I'd {D: go} I'd pull on them two stick I'd I'd look over I'd I'd I never pull the line just talk to her and I'd keep the hay right uh them stick right between it. I'd get there and {X} stretch on that thing and never touch the ground.
Interviewer:  Huh.
625:  {X} They told me about {D: wood I had} {NW} when I was I guess when I was about twelve thirteen years old I I had {X} My my one of my older brothers made a a wagon one of them wagons caught a fire one time, the iron wheels burned up and the {D: front uh} was working out there and come to dinner. My daddy had a a wagon out there and so when the was loading some pine trees and my father woke up and he saw there was a hole there was water there. The iron wheel was burnt and the someone took the one of 'em caught the shaft and run into that hole of water and put it out {X} we wasn't hurt too much but they uh {X} so one of my older brothers cut the middle of the axe and then doubled it that way and put some bolts in it and made a a tongue on it. I'd I'd hold the wood. {D: with} all with all the {X} {D: with them} wheels got to place 'em and uh in the corner just like {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And now you sit down in the wagon and drive just like you would oxen you know? And we had all the wood we wanted um {D: decide that we} {D: branch we lived} {NW} {D: ah and maybe that old} go to the other side of the branch, I'd go over there and load that thing and it'd come through that mud just the same as {X} you know? I believe that it was {D: strongest than when} i- i- i- it was from that side you know? And the I was working up there {X} across the river there one fellow was one of {X} I met a man on the road {X} I stopped and asked him what he's doing he said he's putting wagon wood on the ro- road there for the company.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  {X} and he said uh {NW} that night he had a pretty big he'd feed him corn and give him hay and and water there. He said he was making money with them goats. {X} He'd even stain the water tray. I wish I had a uh picture of him {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um well what would you call uh did you have a shelter for cows where they could go under when it started raining?
625:  Yeah we had a this bull we had here
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  About uh {D: I didn't} there there wasn't {X} come all the time, even in the wintertime.
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  We'd uh we'd have a {X} uh we'd leave it open and some of 'em would come, we'd shut 'em up in the in there, sometime we'd just leave it open and they'd come in there but they
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  Them days they they didn't come too much because they had no shelter out there {X} you know pine trees and all kind
Interviewer:  And and uh where would you keep your horses?
625:  Well we kept them uh we had stables to keep them in and some of them we got uh we {NW} turned 'em out they'd stay around, they wouldn't go and {D: for} if we {X} always had little bale room. {D: Wanna} find 'em get out there and {D: find where they're raising} find 'em you know?
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  Sometime had the little pastures that would keep 'em in but sometime I'd put 'em out in the {X} {X}
Interviewer:  Um what what where would you keep your hogs and pigs?
625:  Well they stayed out in the woods, we raised 'em raised 'em in the woods. We generally had a {X} had a pen uh {X} out on the {D: cotton somewhere there the} always had a pen with a w- with a roof on it and a floor and I never {X} never did have a hog on the ground in fact.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And I'd always make it leaning and the {D: hog is} it's a it's a we call 'em a hog and you think they're dirty but they {isn't so} they had one place they use for the bathroom, they'd go in this one place and that's all.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  The rest of the pen was just as clean as the as anything keep it clean, there isn't anything on it.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now was the shelter open? Was it open or was clo- enclosed?
625:  It was enclosed.
Interviewer:  Okay and you called it a what?
625:  A a a a pig pen.
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  One time I had one of the other one in y barn, I put it right in the corner like that you know?
Interviewer:  Um did you have a place mr Moran where when you milked the cows you'd put the milk maybe it would be a cool running stream or something like that?
625:  No not {D: for the} {NW} when we'd milk just for our own like that course I wa- I did uh milk cows in there it was in there four or five years you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  #1 Yeah but #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that so? #
625:  we had a cooler then had running water. It would come up in a funnel like that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  About that big. And about that high. And the water'd run through there. {X} I had artesian water.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  We had coil in there running. And then on top there was another one go up like that. And just on the outside of that place they had holes all around it you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And they'd work in there and they'd run down on that uh on that water on that coil that was filled with water there. And you'd catch a glass of milk there and drink it just almost like the ice water. They call that {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um this so a dairy was may you might say dairy was where you kept your milk cold? You call it that?
625:  Yeah well {NW} we'd run it through there and then had a a I also had a route from where I lived there and {X} {NW} with the {X} and then we'd figure I'd bring maybe about ten ten {X} before I get through the creamery but it it'd never be none of it never spoiled you see {X} and once it kept that take that animal heat in there then it it it be cool and keep the the {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. Now uh what would you call the place where you let your animals out to graze mr Moran?
625:  Well it's just a open wood, we had very little that's the reason I didn't stay in Dairyville too long we didn't have enough {D: uh ground} to make uh enough uh {D: the waving} {X} well I finally realized {X} and something like that uh and the a friend of some uh {X} {X} and anyways you know what that's good for.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah you you you call that the what? A you know you call it the
625:  Well it's a {NW} {D: plan that Austin Rivers} for grazing you know? I had planned out in the fall and the man told me to uh early the fall and we'd generally have a the cows come in in the wintertime you see?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And the and the friend told me to put the cows in there, didn't have very big place I had about two-and-a-half acres up there and and he said put the uh where the cows and get ready to come fresh put 'em in there, that green stuff I would never have n- no trouble {D: Ben did deliver it}
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
625:  #2 {X} # just make 'em deliver it clean you know and
Interviewer:  #1 How fresh #
625:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  what is it?
625:  Comes fresh it comes but they have no trouble you know?
Interviewer:  You mean have when they were pregnant or
625:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright um what would you call uh 'un- you know grass that grew up in your field that you didn't want? {D: surp} sort of any sort of grass, do you have a name for that?
625:  Well yeah we had uh we had some uh I had some {X} grass grow in the field.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  Which I had uh when I'd plow {NW} {NW} it started in two or three other places.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And every time I plowed I would have turned the plow back there and the horse {D: turn the plow} I have a way and I'd t- take her from one place to the other and I'd I had a {X} I I'd take her take her and put {X} I'd take care of her {D: best} I could and put on there and they'd stayed out, trot out in the woods some of 'em and the neighboring cows would eat it you know? {X} #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Okay.
625:  Finally got rid of it too.
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  And then they had what they call {X} I'd I'd dig that up even take a shovel and try and dig it up and {X} {X}
Interviewer:  Um can you tell me about the types of fences you'd see I mean you had around here? All the types of fences you had.
625:  Well the first type of fence I've I've seen was the was rail-to-rail.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And uh they'd cut the rails about uh they had uh yellow pine they'd cut about eleven foot long.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  And they'd spray the then they'd {D: tie tangle} tree they'd try to take a tree by {X} uh in twelve inches {X} in there about. And then they'd cut 'em about eleven foot in length and they'd {D: strip} {X} easy to strip They'd strip one about four feet and then they'd strip uh uh w- uh {X} like that and then split another one {X} you see
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
625:  #2 On the # sap. And uh {NS} they'd {X} split hard pieces {NW} and uh they'd call them binders. And they'd take the they'd sharpen one end and the top end they'd tug it with a {X} and they'd s- split some uh cypress piece uh they'd cut it about twelve inches like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And then split it about make a stick like that maybe {X} and they'd just split it off of there {X} and they'd dig a had a {D: awl} about an inch-and-a-half. {D: That big old} drill a hole through that and the top of these binders they'd they'd put uh {D: lighted this} stick in the ground and they'd put it about the same size, they'd put that on top and there they'd put uh I don't know if I could give you a
Interviewer:  What do you call those things that they that they put the in the ground?
625:  Uh I guess you'd call them s- standard binders you know?
Interviewer:  You call 'em the uh well you have to dig a hole for 'em for the what?
625:  You wouldn't dig a hole, you'd uh you'd uh you'd uh {D: you'd put} they'd be sharp and you'd stick 'em down there stick 'em down on your uh you had to work it down to where you could take a stick and stick it down and have a sharp uh {D: go in the same} {X}
Interviewer:  What would you call these things?
625:  That {D: they} {NW} I guess you's call them uh
Interviewer:  The post right.
625:  The post or binders you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  See you see the uh
Interviewer:  One of 'em would be one of 'em would be a a post right?
625:  Uh uh both of 'em you see there this this cap you would have a hole in it and the top would be taped to hold it together.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  Now they put this this {X} stick it in there and pull it back over here you see and then they'd put all alone then they'd come back and put one on the on on top like that you see?
Interviewer:  I see.
625:  I I should've started from the bottom.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  But you see it it it if I had some matches, let me see if I have some matches I can show you better with with some matches {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  And you could slip the railing over that. Uh each way like that you could slip one end one end for the other one and you pull the lay all the way.
Interviewer:  I see so the {X} would go be- it would go it would go through the what what would you say? The railing would you had those two posts and the railing would go
625:  In between them like that you see?
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  And that'd hold 'em see and uh and uh I I I guess you'd call it uh the binder or the fence post to hold the railing up you #1 see? #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # But what about other types of fences mr Moran? Did you have a what about the wire fence?
625:  Well they then from that they went to uh uh net uh net wire. First that wire was started off about thirty-two inches and they had some twenty-four inches.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  Then one then they went to thirty thirty-nine inches
Interviewer:  #1 what was #
625:  #2 and then #
Interviewer:  that net wire?
625:  Net wire
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
625:  #2 It was #
Interviewer:  Was that barbed wire?
625:  No barbed wire was that one was uh is a s- uh s- uh uh {X} the wire. The bottom was just about big enough for the {D: BB} couldn't go through there and then they'd
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
625:  #2 dig # {X} had to go up and get {D: stuff}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  Well after they got a steel wire about {X} uh six inches like that, some of 'em closer you know? And there they'd make it through small wire and some heavy wire and big just uh now they they have they make this {X} wire which is six and seven foot tall you see?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
625:  {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. Um and what do you call that wire that you catch your cl- you know always catch your pants on, you try and get over it?
625:  That that's barbed wire.
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright.
625:  {X} careful with how you handle that uh scratch your hand or burn yourself.
Interviewer:  That's the truth.
625:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What um now did you ever have a little kind of fake egg that you'd put in a hen's nest to make it start laying? It wasn't a real egg, it was a fake egg. Do you have a name for that?
625:  Yeah we call that a nest egg.
Interviewer:  Okay.
625:  mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Alright.
625:  mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Um and uh well they also call it the the china egg too, some folks do.
625:  {NW} Yes and the and in French you call it a chinois. {C: French} I don't know where they got that word from.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  I remember fishing that {D: lyric from a} used to g- goes church he he'd call me {X} over there it's chinois {C: French} you know it's French, use the French phrase you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
625:  The preacher he was {X} And French too. He he he
Interviewer:  Call that a {D: chinois} huh?
625:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Um now what would you et out of that your wife you know you used to call it did you ever have you know you used to call what you ate out of the what?
625:  A a pla- plate plate.
Interviewer:  Yeah but you you used to call it the
625:  Dishes.
Interviewer:  Yeah all the dishes together you call them the
625:  Well we'd call 'em chinaware.
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright. um and you'd eat with a uh what utensils you ate with?
625:  We eat with a fork a
Interviewer:  Yeah. And a you cut with a
625:  A knife.
Interviewer:  And you'd eat your maybe a dessert with a
625:  With a spoon.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
625:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Okay. Now two more than one knife would be called say you had {B}