Interviewer: {NS} Things first um {NS} first of all your name? {NS} 647: My name {NS} {C: lawnmower running throughout beginning} Alexandrine {B} {NS} you can just put ms Richards {B} if you want. {NS} Interviewer: How do you spell your first name? {NS} 647: oh lemme see, A-L-E-X {NS} Wait make a guess cuz I don't know how to read no {X} {NS} A {NS} L {NS} E {NS} X {NS} A {NS} N {NS} D {NS} R {NS} I {NS} N {NS} E {NS} {B} Interviewer: And your address? 647: {NS} box uh {B} {NS} box what box {NS} Boxin- {B} {NS} Interviewer: And the name of this community? {NS} 647: Boothville. {NS} Its on the route and I gotta put a route {B} here. {NS} Interviewer: And the name of this parish? 647: {NS} Plaquemines Parish. {NS} Interviewer: And the state? {NS} 647: The state? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Well the United States huh? {NS} Interviewer: But {NS} it's Boothville {NS} 647: That's all know it Boothville. Interviewer: {NS} mm-kay {NS} Where were you born? {NS} 647: Homeplace. {NS} Interviewer: Homeplace? 647: {NS} mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: That's just up this road isn't it? {NS} 647: Yeah up the road a bit back. {NS} {NS} Interviewer: And your age? 647: {NS} Seventy-Seven {NS} Interviewer: And {NS} Tell me about the work that you've done? 647: {NS} The work I done? Interviewer: Yeah what sort of work you've done. 647: {NS} I work for myself in the garden picking bean hoeing {NS} planting beans {NS} I work for myself. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Have you ever worked? {NS} 647: Out? {NS} Interviewer: Out? 647: Oh when I was a little girl and I was about fourteen #1 fifteen. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 647: {NS} A nurse {NS} minding children. {NS} Interviewer: You were a? {NS} 647: Minding children yeah when I was a little girl. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm {NS} Interviewer: And your religion? {NS} 647: Baptist. {NS} Interviewer: Tell me about your education if you got a chance to go to school what 647: {NW} No when we come up they didn't have no school for colored people {NS} No school at all whatever. {NS} They had one white school house up here {NS} it was on this side of the river. {NS} And we didn't go to we didn't have no school to go to my mother paid {NS} for my brother and thing to learn to go to school. {NS} Well me and my oldest sister my {X} {C: name} just stayed here. {NS} Well we didn't get no school which after they got married they went to school but me I didn't. {NS} I didn't go. {NS} Then you said no school for colored after I got married you ain't got no school for colored people down here. {NS} I lived on the other side of the river {NS} and uh {NS} my father in law used to ran run run for school {NS} until he got to school and they used to have school in the church except they couldn't find no teacher. {NS} So I don't reckon know the Rileys in the in the sunrise? {NS} {C: mower stops} Interviewer: huh? {NS} 647: The Rileys do you know the Rileys Julia Riley and them? {NS} Interviewer: I don't think 647: You don't know her name? {NS} Well his he uh her brother {NS} had a little education he wasn't no graduate but he had a good learn but he had graduated after he went to school. {NS} And my father I told him well was he knewed enough to teach the children. {NS} So that's where um {NS} that's where they opened school in the in the church. {NS} Then I had to go I had to give things to get our own school house we had to give {NS} prayers and thing and pick up our own money to buy a school house. {NS} And they broke the white school house on this side do you see where they got that school there now? Interviewer: uh-huh 647: They had a school house there and they built that school house and they sold that school house. {NS} And they got together and got the money and they bought that school house and broke it down and brought it across the river and they built it up theyself. {NS} They didn't give us no school. {NS} Not one bit of school. {NS} They used to pic- give the white school and pay 'em to go to school but they didn't give the black people no school but they got {NS}{NS} they got their learning in a ways. {NS} Cuz my da- my husband my da- husband's daddy {NS} used to go about and judge the lesson {NS} If I would ha- if the if {X}{C: name} wouldn't have took all those um {NS} Who is it? Interviewer: It's the boy. {NS} 647: What's the matter you can't start it no more eh? Aux: I finished. {NS} 647: You fin- {NS} You didn't go back of the house there {NS} by my peach tree. Aux: {X} 647: Alright grab my own lawn mower there by the peach tree too. {NS} You can't start it no more I don't guess Aux: Oh right over there? 647: mm-hmm Aux: I caught that. 647: You caught that over by my peach tree and that rain tree? {NS} You caught them clovers right on the other side there? {NS} Aux: {D: Where?} {NS} By um- 647: Halfway yeah you caught it? {NS} Go catch them clovers and all around my flower around my {NS} all around my flower there let me see. {NS} I don't like the boy. {NS} Interviewer: Ha {NS} 647: Who is th- the young children some are lazy. {NS} My children was not lazy like that. {NS} Interviewer: Is that your gran- {NS} 647: uh-huh great-grandson. {NS} mm-hmm {NS} I got great great-grandchildren. Interviewer: Gosh. {NS} um {NS} You said you lived on the other side of the river? {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: How many times did you move around out here? {NS} Oh nah I didn't move around. {NS} 647: You see they caught they call that the spillway. {C: mower restarts} {NS} You had to move for spillway they don't have to make a spillway. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: But they ain't never did make no spillway. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: And that's why we bought over here. {NS} Interviewer: So you you lived in Homeplace #1 did you- # 647: #2 No no # when I was smaller I even don't remember when my mother stood there. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: I even don't don't don't remember it mm-mm. {NS} Interviewer: Where {NS} 647: {D: Then we mov- well I was raised down in Nailor.} {NS} Interviewer: In where? 647: {D: Nailor.} {NS} Interviewer: Where's- 647: {D: A place they called Nailor you know down by H. Cumin and that?} {NS} Interviewer: No. {NS} 647: Right above that the lumber yard. {NS} Well were you from down here? Interviewer: No I'm not from down here. 647: You're not from down here? Interviewer: I'm from Atlanta. {NS} 647: Oh {NS} Interviewer: Is that in this parish? {NS} 647: Huh? Interviewer: Is that- {X} that's in this parish? 647: Yeah mm-hmm. {NS} {D: They call it they don't call it Nailor no more.} They call it Port Sulphur everything go i- {NS} everything it Port Sulphur now you know. Interviewer: Uh- what? 647: {D: No more Nailor Port Sulphur.} {NS} Hey there! {C: child shouts} {NS} Aux2: {X} 647: You can shut the door yeah. Aux2: What do you want shut? {NS} 647: I don't know I just had it shut me. Aux2: Where you going you don't want to lose that {X} {NS} 647: Who lawn mowing? Aux2: Oh but he's still mowing. 647: Yeah I got him mowing my lawn. Aux2: Yeah I know well you coming up this way {NS} march him if you have to. {C: child noise} I told her I told my sister no. 647: Huh? {NS} Interviewer: You were telling me about where you had the the different places you had been. {NS} That you lived in around Port Sulphur? 647: uh-uh {NS} Across the river they call it Point Pleasant {NS} on the other side of the river. {NS} Interviewer: Point Pleasant? {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} That's the only place I lived down here {NS} where I growed up. Interviewer: #1 Did you tell me outside # 647: #2 no mm-hmm # Interviewer: you went up to New- 647: Hmm? Interviewer: Did you ever live out-outside of this area? 647: No {NS} A long time ago I tell you before the spillway I stood across the river. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about New Orleans? {NS} Didn't you say you- 647: Oh yeah I stood on the but only two years and three months I believe. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Before I got married I got married and I left New Orleans. {NS} Interviewer: Have you ever been in any clubs or been very active in #1 church # 647: #2 Nope. # {NS} mm-mm {NS} Interviewer: Um tell me about your parents where they were born. {NS} 647: Oh mama was born in up there in Port Sulphur they used to call it Little Texas. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: But now it's Port Sulphur. {NS} Aux2: {NW} 647: My daddy I don't know where my daddy was born at. {NS} But I know my mama Little Texas they used to call that where your grandma and them had up there. {NS} Port Sulphur they used to call that Texas before. {NS} Interviewer: huh {NS} 647: And after they call it Port Sulphur. {NS} Interviewer: Could they read and write your parents? 647: My daddy not my mama. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} How much education do you think he had? 647: I don't know I ain't never did ask him. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: I don't guess he had that much at the end with the school in that time. {NS} Interviewer: um 647: And in the old time them old time people didn't know how to read or write can't have neither white neither colored. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Could um {NS} what sort of work did your parents do? {NS} 647: Oh used to farm {NS} {D: they raised} rice. {NS} Interviewer: huh? {NS} 647: Grow rice. {NS} Interviewer: They grew rice? {NS} 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: I didn't know that {NS} they grew rice in this area. {NS} 647: Not here it was up {X} in uh Homeplace. {NS} {D: in Homeplace} Yeah used to grow rice. {NS} Interviewer: um 647: Yeah they used to grow rice across right across the river over there too. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: Yeah they used to grow rice. Interviewer: Do they still grow it any here? 647: No nobody grow no rice down this way. {NS} Interviewer: What about um your grandparents on your mother's side {NS} Where were they born? {NS} 647: I don't know where my grandmother was born. {NS} Interviewer: Do you know any #1 thing about them? # 647: #2 huh? # {NS} A little. {NW} I don't know where I don't know where my grandma was born at. {NS} I don't know where grandmother was born at I never did ask mama. {NS} Interviewer: Did she live around here though? 647: No she lived up in Port Sulphur. Interviewer: uh-huh {C: child} 647: I don't know too much about my grandmother back then. Interviewer: Could she read and write? {NS} 647: I don't know I don't believe. {NS} I know about my my my daddy's uh {C: baby screech} father used to live there out in uh {NS} {D: Nailor they call it.} {NS} Interviewer: Your {NS} 647: My daddy's daddy {NS} Interviewer: Used to live where? {NS} {D: In Nailor.} {NS} {D: They call it Port Sulphur now it's no more Nailor.} uh-huh {NS} {NW} 647: My grandfather was a hundred and ten years old when he died. Interviewer: Gosh {NW} Um what sort of work did did your grandparents do? 647: Oh honey I don't know. {NS} I don't know cuz my grandfather was old and I didn't {D: I knew his of work.} {NS} I guess his children was taken care of but {NS} I don't even know. {NS} Aux3: {X} 647: Come back he don't like the setting down. {NS} Oh he's fixing to cry. let {NS} Push it further this way we're gonna leave him {D: pass. } {NS} Oh look there. Interviewer: Does he want- {NS} 647: Hook the door Grant. Bar hook the door. {NS} Who need to go save {X} {NS} Set her right back there. {NS} Interviewer: What about your husband? {NS} um {NS} where was he born? {NS} 647: {X} at Point Pleasant {NS} over the river. Interviewer: At Point Pleasant? 647: uh-huh {NS} Interviewer: I guess he's dead now that- {NS} 647: huh Interviewer: I guess he's dead now? 647: Yeah dead two years ago. {NS} Two years and three months. {NS} Interviewer: How old was he? {NS} 647: Seventy-seven {NS} when he died. {NS} Interviewer: Was he a baptist too? 647: mm-hmm {NS} yeah. {NS} Interviewer: Do you know about this education? {NS} 647: Yeah I don't know what he went to fifth grade I believe. {NS} I think that's all he had. {NS} Interviewer: Was he very active in {NS} clubs or organizations or church? 647: He didn't like none of that no {NW}. {NS} Interviewer: #1 What sort of work did he do? # 647: #2 He's # like a carpenter {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Carpenter used to farm for hisself. {NS} We used to have orange trees raise orange trees {NS} They had trees growing in the front yard all the way to the back to the back canal but the cold killed them all. {NS} Interviewer: Uh were his parents born around here? {NS} 647: hmm? Interviewer: Were his parents born- {C: cough} 647: Across the river in Point Pleasant. {NS} {X} {D: for me out here.} {NS} They all dead too. {NS} Interviewer: Tell me what this {NS} this area's like how much this this area has changed since {NS} 647: #1 Oh # Interviewer: #2 you know that # you remember {NS} growing up. {NS} 647: How much did it change? {NS} Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} 647: Lord I saw some big good big big change here with the people and everything else. {C: baby} {NS} The people ain't nice like they used to be. {NS} Everything done change this was nothing but orange trees over here they ain't got no more. {NS} Nothing but Johnson grass now. {NS} Half the way is gone for you to eat. {NS} 'cept of the Johnson grass. {NS} Interviewer: People used to grow oranges in this area? 647: Oh yeah all over here yeah. {NS} There ain't nothing but orange trees down here. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What does most people do for a living now? {NS} 647: Trawl. {NS} Work on tug boats. {NS} Aux2: Come on back give it here come on. {NS} Give me a kiss. {NS} 647: I guess that's gonna be stopped after a while. Aux2: {NS} What? {NS} 647: Trawling. {NS} Interviewer: Why's that? {NS} 647: I saw I guess that's gonna be stopped after a while. {NS} Interviewer: How come? {NS} 647: I was looking at it last night on television somebody's going to keep them out of the {NS} Aux2: #1 Terraforming. # 647: #2 the trawl # Huh? Aux2: Terraform. 647: That's what? {NS} Down here too yeah. Aux2: Yeah I know. 647: A- and the man said a lot of white {D: come down and said} they don't know what they gonna do if that law pass. {NS} Say gonna starve and they families gonna starve they they families gonna starve {NS} {D: if they pass that law.} {NS} They ain't doing nothing but passing all kind of laws. {NS} that starve the people out {NS} that's all they doing. {NS} A lot of people try sitting here have to get rid of their boats they won't be able to trawl no more they have to sell their boats and {NS} seek new jobs and that that ain't they ain't they ain't given no they ain't got no jobs. {C: baby} {C: screech} Anything they laying off a lot of people but they ain't hiring nobody to work. {NS} Interviewer: Yeah. {NW} 647: Yeah. {NS} Interviewer: Um {NS} I'd like to get an idea of what the house that you grew up in looked like. {NS} Do you think you could you know where the rooms #1 are? # 647: #2 The house # I grow grew up in? {NS} Interviewer: Could you sorta 647: #1 Lord child tell you the truth # Interviewer: #2 draw? # 647: I don't know how that house was. {NS} Interviewer: You don't remember it? {NS} 647: No. Aux2: {X} Interviewer: What about this house here? {NS} 647: Well this house here yeah this house just a la- a put up house. {NS} My other house I had six rooms to it. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: It had uh a porch on the roadside {NS} and a big screen porch in the front. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Now {NS} do you think you could sorta draw it? 647: #1 No I don't know how # Interviewer: #2 or you tell # 647: to draw. Interviewer: Well you tell me and I'll try to draw it how {NS} 647: Oh-ho Interviewer: What shape do you know what it looked like? {C: 647 laughs} {NS} {C: baby} 647: Ye- yeah I remember my house there. {NS} Aux3: Yeah I remember grandma. 647: Oh girl you should remember my house. {NS} What come you's took away from me there. Aux3: The green house? 647: Huh? Aux3: #1 The green house? # Aux2: #2 The green house. # 647: Yeah what other house. {NS} That's the only house I ever stood in. {C: baby} Aux3: You had a {D: Garrett}. {NS} 647: A front porch. {NS} Aux3: A front a uh {D: Garrett.} 647: #1 Yeah and then I had a # Aux3: #2 You had a porch. # 647: a back porch. Aux3: You had living room. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Aux2: You had a bedroom. 647: I had two bedroom. {NS} Aux3: A kitchen. {NS} 647: That's right. Aux3: And a room on this side 647: Yeah Aux3: And the bathroom's over this way. #1 I had six rooms # Aux2: #2 I think you had a room back this way. # Aux3: #1 {D: the room was back there} # Interviewer: #2 What # 647: #1 The bathroom was # Interviewer: #2 How # What shape is it is it just a square? {C: baby} {NS} #1 House tha- # Aux3: #2 Well it was # #1 shaped like this. # 647: #2 Old # #1 time house. # Aux3: #2 I mean no # Interviewer: Like like you're doing the floor plan. Was it square? #1 or # 647: #2 Old # time house. Aux3: Old house. Interviewer: So it was longer? Aux3: Yeah. Interviewer: #1 going # 647: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: {NS} When you first {NS} say if it went something like this? {C: baby} Aux3: It was in a {X} {NS} Interviewer: What {NS} say if this is the front which {NS} There's a porch in front? 647: #1 mm yeah # Interviewer: #2 Did it go all the way across? # 647: All the way across yeah. {NS} Interviewer: And then when you went in #1 {D: Where where would the door be?} # 647: #2 Through the front door. # Interviewer: Where right in the middle here? 647: Yes {NS} Interviewer: And what room- {X} {C: scream} Would that be just one big room? 647: #1 The live- yeah living room. # Aux3: #2 Yeah # 647: big living room the next room was a bedroom. Interviewer: Just right behind it? {NS} 647: Yeah behind the living room. {NS} Then the next room {NS} Was was a a {NS} a small kitchen. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} #1 Right behind the bedroom? # 647: #2 {X} # Yeah. {NS} #1 Then I had another big room behind the kitchen # Aux2: #2 {D: you kick that boom oh!} {C: playing with child} # #1 Look at it turn on. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 647: mm-hmm Aux2: Time to {NS} {X} Interviewer: #1 Just looking like that then just # 647: #2 Yeah mm-hmm # Interviewer: {NS} One room right behind the other? 647: Yeah {NS} Interviewer: #1 This would be a small bedroom? # Aux2: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 Behind the kitchen? # 647: #2 Yeah mm-hmm # {NS} going up the side to keep them in a small bedroom. {C: baby} {NS} Interviewer: Where? {NS} 647: You see like this here with the {X} {C: vehicle} Interviewer: What? {NS} Like {NS} #1 like # 647: #2 like # This room my kitchen was {D: shaped like} {X} And uh {NS} {NS} Interviewer: So {D: Like this} {C: screech} 647: Yeah that's right. {C: baby} Aux2: Stop that. {C: she doesn't} You can't mess with that. {NS} 647: They alright? Interviewer: So which which side would the #1 kitchen be on? # Aux2: #2 Look who is that? # 647: {NS} The kitchen was on the low side. {NS} Interviewer: Over here? Aux2: {X} 647: Yeah just like that. Interviewer: And this was a bedroom? {NS} 647: Yeah uh-huh Interviewer: And there was a bedroom here? 647: No it was just a big living room I had back there. {NS} Interviewer: Well if this is the living room here? 647: Yeah then I a dining room I had in the back of the kitchen. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about the bathroom? {NS} 647: The bathroom was on the {NS} the bathroom was on the upper side of the {NS} the dining room. Interviewer: The bathroom's here? 647: mm-hmm {NS} Aux2: {X} Interviewer: You say there was the {NS} two porches? {NS} 647: Yeah one porch on both sides. Interviewer: Where? 647: I had a porch about here. {X} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: On the lower side {NS} And the front had a big porch {NS} Interviewer: #1 A porch just going # 647: #2 {D: a front porch} # Interviewer: #1 How just like that # 647: #2 Yeah a ways yeah uh-huh just like that. # mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What did you wha- what {NS} did you call this porch here? {NS} 647: hmm {NS} Interviewer: Was this the screened in porch? 647: no uh-huh the front porch was a screened porch. Interviewer: uh-huh Aux2: {X} {NS} Aux3: {X} Interviewer: Do you ever hear an old fashioned name for porch? 647: mm {NS} Interviewer: huh? 647: They used to call it a gallery. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: They used to call it the gallery {NS} but now they calls it a porch. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: {NW} {C: coughs} {NS} Interviewer: What about um {NS} a little room you could have off your kitchen for keeping canned goods and? 647: Oh I didn't have none I had a cabinet I used to keep my things in a cabinet. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Did you ever see people have a little room though? 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What'd they call it? {NS} 647: That was a {X} {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: Did you ever hear of pantry or a kitchen closet or? 647: Pantry no I ain't had no pantry I didn't have no pantry in my house. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: mm-mm {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever ever see kitchens built different like built separate from the rest of the house? 647: Oh you had to used to have that. Interviewer: {D: They did?} 647: You had it built separate {NS} from the house and you had a little porch used to walk {NS} you had to walk between the between the kitchen. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What'd they call that part did it have a special name? 647: No I don't think it. {NS} {C: crying} That used to be an old time house they don't make no more house like that now. {C: crying} {NS} But I ain't never I ain't never did {C: wails} live in nothing like that though. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: {NS} I haven't seen. {NS} Interviewer: um {NS} How did you have your house heated? 647: {NS} With heaters. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {X} {C: others} Did you ever have a fireplace? {NS} 647: No. mm-mm I ain't never did have that. {NS} Interviewer: You know on a fireplace the thing that the smoke goes up through? 647: Yeah I know I never did have that I had a stove though. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: It was a stove pipe. {NS} It'd go through the wall I had that. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about on a fireplace? {NS} 647: I ain't never did have no fireplace. Interviewer: Well what did they call that? {NS} they? 647: They used to call it a fireplace. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: Well that they'd build maybe out of bricks to carry the smoke up 647: Yeah fireplace. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} They call that the chim- {NS} 647: Chimney yeah. Interviewer: huh? 647: Call yeah they call it a chimney. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Yeah Interviewer: What about the the open flames on the floor in front of the fireplace {NS} that you could set things on. {NS} 647: Oh the mantel piece across the Interviewer: uh-huh 647: uh {NS} made across the the fireplace. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: We used to call it a what a shelf. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What about down on the floor {NS} what'd they call that? 647: Oh I don't know. {NS} Where you make the fire? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Oh I don't know that's just a fireplace I guess {X} you never would set nothing on that. Interviewer: Uh-huh do you ever hear of a hearth or hearth? {C: Vehicle} 647: {D: what?} Interviewer: {NS} um {NS} {X} a hearth? 647: A horse? Interviewer: A hearth or hair or something like that. {NS} 647: I don't know nothing about that. {NS} Interviewer: What about the things that they set the wood on in the fireplace? {NS} 647: Oh {NS} I don't know what they call it. {NS} I don't know what they call it's a piece of iron they had set on each side of the fireplace each side {NS} and put the wood I don't know what they call it me. {NS} mm I don't know what. {NS} Interviewer: #1 What kind of # 647: #2 {D: Well} # put charcoal or stone coal you could burn it in too. Interviewer: uh-huh you burn coal? {NS} 647: Yeah we burn coal in the heater. #1 uh-huh # Aux2: #2 Excuse me. # Interviewer: {NS} What would you carry the coal in? {NS} 647: Little buckets. {X} {C:background chatter} Stone coal you can burn that in here. {C: cont} Interviewer: um what {NS} What about the kind of wood that you'd use for starting a fire? {X} {C: child} 647: They used to call it kindling wood. Interviewer: uh-huh {C: children} 647: Start it by little pieces you call it {C: children} kindling wood. Aux2: shh be quiet. Interviewer: Just a little piece of wood? 647: Yeah you cut it all by little pieces in order to light the fire and you put your big one on the top of. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm Interviewer: Say you could take a a big piece of wood and set that toward the back of the fire place? 647: Set a piece of wood uh {NS} yeah its called a back log. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: You set back in that and it would keep fire all night. {C: interference} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: Yeah mm-hmm Interviewer: Well you sound like you're pretty familiar with fireplaces after all. 647: Well yeah. {NS} In the city them houses in the city a long time ago that's all they had fireplaces {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: But now you don't see that much no more. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: They uses heater now. {NS} Interviewer: What about the um black stuff that forms in the chimney? {NS} 647: What that soot? {NS} Interviewer: And what you'd shovel out of the fireplace? 647: You had to take um {NS} You'd have to get on top of the house and fix {NS} a sack of some branches you know? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: And let drop it down and knock all that soot down and you take that out. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: #1 What about # 647: #2 {D: That's how} # we had to clean them fireplace. Interviewer: {NS} What about when you burn wood all you have left is the? 647: The ashes. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: You have to take a bucket of something and m- shovel take that out and throw it out. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: And {NS} you know when a um {NS} in a two story house to get from the first floor to the second floor? 647: I ain't never I ain't never been in {NS} I never did stay living in a story a two story house. {NS} Interviewer: Well what what would you have to walk up? {NS} 647: The step. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: What about outside? {NS} You call those? Aux4: Mama! 647: Steps {NS} Interviewer: mm-kay 647: {NS} Yeah Aux4: Yeah! 647: steps outside. {NS} Interviewer: What do you call these new houses set up on {NS} 647: Those piles. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} How come? {NS} 647: huh? {C: screech} Interviewer: How come? {C: screech} 647: They put that up there for the storm {NS} for the water. {C: screech} {NS} Interviewer: Does the water get very high? {NS} 647: It'll get high when the storm come. {NS} No storm {X} {C: child} not yet since they put this up. {NS} But for Camille this was {X}{C: child} you couldn't see nothing {C: baby} you just could bare- -ly see {NS} top of the houses. {NS} Interviewer: Gosh 647: Camille {NS} That's no for Betsy But Camille they ain't had nothing left here. {C: screech} Nothing nothing just a just like this school here. Interviewer: Camille did- 647: Camille took everything over here every house. {C: baby} {NS} Yeah Camille {NS} didn't left a thing didn't have a plant left. {NS} {C: super screech} My house ain't never find a picture my house. {NS} Interviewer: Really? {NS} 647: The furnitures and nothing else that's right. {NS} Interviewer: mm {NS} {NW} 647: And we put everything over here. Interviewer: Is Camille the same one that hit Biloxi? {NS} 647: I don't know {NS} {X} {C: screech} Betsy hit Biloxi Camille hit Biloxi? {NS} Wasn't that Betsy? {NS} Betsy hit hit Mississippi where all them people got a loss {NS} what they were celebrating cuz Betsy and Betsy came and pick all of them away? {X} Betsy hit Mississippi but I don't know where else Camille hit. {NS} Camille didn't hit in town. {NS} Betsy hit New Orleans. {NS} Theres a lot of people got drowned in in New Orleans now they got more people got drowned {NS} in the city than we got drowned down here for Betsy. {NS} After coming here we got a few of 'em that drowned cuz they didn't want to leave. {NS} They didn't have {D: tuning. } {NS} Interviewer: I guess it's pretty bad when the they get bad weather here there's just one road out. 647: Yeah it yeah you just got to {NW} they notify you to leave. {NS} Interviewer: yeah {NS} 647: Yeah you have to leave some time when you leave the course it's just like this bumper to bumper. {NS} Lot of time getting out so slow. {NS} mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Um talking about things you'd have in the house this thing here you'd call a {NS} 647: What a chair? Interviewer: okay {NS} What about the longer thing y'all are sitting on? {NS} 647: Sofa {D: duofold} they made it. {NS} I {X} I call it a sofa some people call it a {D: duofold.} {C: baby} {X} {C: screech} {D: duofold} something. Interviewer: {D: A big} 647: uh-huh {D: Irma please do something} {C: screech} Aux2: They call them things before {D: duofold} this- 647: They they call 'em sofa now. {C: baby} Aux2: Come on 647: {NS} This is a sofa. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: That's a sofa chair. {NS} Interviewer: huh? 647: And that's a sofa ch- {NS} Interviewer: What what? {NS} 647: Chair sofa chair Aux2: #1 and this here is a long sofa. # Aux3: #2 Y'all ever gonna stop that baby? # Aux2: {X} 647: And this here is a Aux2: Why you crying? 647: What they call them chairs that? {NS} Irma what they are they call them chair {NS} Aux2: Reclining 647: A reclining chair. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: You throw that back. {C: baby} Interviewer: Is a sofa chair a special kind of chair? {NS} 647: I don't know. Aux2: {X} 647: Must be. {NS} Aux2: {X} {NS} Interviewer: What sort of things did people used to have in their bedroom to keep their clothes in? {NS} 647: Oh we used to call it an armoire. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: mm-hmm armoire or chifforobe. {C: baby} Aux2: {X} Interviewer: Could you hang things up in an armoire? {NS} 647: Yeah in a chifforobe too. {NS} Interviewer: What was the difference? {NS} 647: What armoire and a chifforobe? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: An armoire is just a a you fold your clothes on one side Interviewer: mm-hmm 647: and hang it on one side. {NS} And the chifforobe {NS} got drawers down on one side my chifforobe got three drawers on one side. {NS} and a place where you put your hats {NS} and on one side is for hanging clothes. {C: baby} {NS} I got a chifforobe now that's old time you hardly seem that no more. {NS} {NS} {NS} You hardly see a chifforobe no more. Interviewer: ha {NS} What about something that just had drawers in it so you couldn't hang things. 647: Chest of drawers. {C: screech} Chest of drawers just with drawers. {C: baby} {NS} Interviewer: Any anything else besides a chest Aux2: Leave them alone. 647: mm-mm Aux2: let Interviewer: What about something they have nowadays built into the {NS} a little room {NS} built into the house? {NS} 647: Lockers you call that. {NS} Interviewer: huh? 647: A locker. {NS} {NS} Interviewer: Okay {NS} anything else? {NS} 647: A locker is like {NS} {D: just like that} {NS} See that? {NS} {NS} Interviewer: Oh yeah that {NS} 647: That's a locker. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Staying clothes up in there it's just staying clothes up my husband made shelves so I could fold my clothes and put them in there. {NS} You wanna see how it's made? {NS} Interviewer: Sure. {NS} Um you know those things {X} {C: children} 647: huh {NS} Interviewer: Those things that you can put in windows to pull down and keep out the light? 647: Window shade? You got window shade you got windo- and blind. Interviewer: Okay the shades are the solid 647: Yeah mm-hmm that's a window shade there. {NS} mm-hmm Aux2: down right there. {NS} Interviewer: Say if you had a lot of old worthless things like old broken down furniture and stuff like that {NS} that you didn't have any use for 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: What would you call that? {NS} Say it's not good anymore #1 or it's just # 647: #2 I'll call it # junk me. {NS} Interviewer: mm-kay {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What about a place where you could use to store things that you don't know what to do with {NS} 647: Well you put it in a barn if you want to store it away. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Yeah a barn they call it. {NS} Interviewer: Do you ever hear or a junk room or lumber room {NS} 647: mm-mm Interviewer: or store room? {NS} 647: mm-mm {NS} Aux3: {X} 647: {NS} I have a barn. {NS} I call it a barn me. {NS} Interviewer: What about um the {NS} say if a woman's house was {NS} in a big mess she'd say I have to {NS} do what? 647: Have to clean it up? {NS} Interviewer: mm-kay {NS} And the thing that you'd sweep with? {NS} 647: A broom. Interviewer: okay {NS} Say if the broom was in the corner there and the door was open so that you couldn't see the broom 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: you'd say the broom was? {NS} 647: In the corner. Interviewer: Or {NS} in {NS} relation to the door it was where? {NS} 647: I'll call it in the corner. {NS} Aux3: {X} back just behind the door. 647: Oh that's what you's talking about you mean behind the door? {NS} You say back of the door. {NS} Interviewer: And um {NS} you say years ago women would would get all the clothes together. {NS} and then go out and do the {NS} On Monday women would get the clothes together and they'd do the? 647: The washing. {NS} Interviewer: Okay and on Tuesday they do the? {NS} 647: Ironing Interviewer: uh-huh {C: 647 laughs} {NS} What about nowadays {NS} um you could send your clothes to the? 647: To the laundry. Interviewer: uh-huh Did people ever used to use that word laundry {NS} to talk about washing and ironing? {NS} 647: Yeah sometimes mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Would they say I have to do my laundry 647: I have to iron I have to wash {NW} {NS} that's the way they say that. {NS} mm-hmm Interviewer: What about the big {NS} black thing they have out in the yard? {NS} 647: With the warm water to wash? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: You know about that the big {X} pot. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Is that what they call it 647: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 a pot? # 647: uh-huh {NS} Yeah it's it had three little legs on it uh-huh {NS} All you used to call them pot {NS} Interviewer: What'd you used to call it {D: brown} {NS} 647: Boil {X} Interviewer: What about something that it has a #1 spout # 647: #2 Go give him # a piece of bread. {NS} Go give him a piece of bread. {X} {D: I feel they don't got to be jealous looking through that glass there} give both of them a piece. {NS} Interviewer: Something you could 647: Your mama just brought in you brought me some bread? {NS} Interviewer: Something you could use for heating up water to make hot tea in {NS} something that has a spout to it? {NS} 647: Oh a kettle. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Do you ever use that word kettle #1 to talk about the wash box? # 647: #2 Yeah mm-hmm yeah. # I had a kettle Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: I used to set on the stove my kettle come here took my kettle away from me. Interviewer: ha 647: A man beg me for that kettle {NS} A lawyer from in town that man beg me for that kettle. {NS} And I wouldn't sell it but he wanted to give me a um {NS} a pint of whiskey for it. {NS} He said he'd give me a pint a a pickle of good whiskey {NS} I told him no I don't use no whiskey. {NS} He begged me for that kettle I wouldn't sell and give him that kettle {NS} and come here and took my kettle ain't never find my kettle. {NS} {D: A large} black iron kettle. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Do people you know that pot they had out in the yard {NS} do people ever call that a kettle? 647: No uh-uh {NS} A kettle had a sprout on it Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: and a pot that was a big old {NS} Interviewer: big 647: old iron pot mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: And the {NS} the top of the house {NS} the covering on the house? {NS} 647: Some of it was covered with slate some of it was covered with zinc. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} They call that the? 647: Some time they old long time they used to cover it with shingles. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: But the they call that part the? {NS} 647: The what the roof of the house? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: yeah Interviewer: What about the things along the side of the roof that could carry the water off? {NS} 647: Oh gutters. {NS} Interviewer: Okay {NS} and you know when you have a house in an L. {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: You know that low place where they join? {NS} 647: Yeah Interviewer: Call that the? 647: {X} a house made in a L. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about that place up on the roof that low place? {NS} 647: Sometimes they'd call it the roof we have a hip hip roof. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Do you ever hear of the valley of a roof {NS} or the alley? {NS} 647: mm-mm {NS} Interviewer: And um {NS} say if you wanted to {NS} to nail up a picture {NS} you say you'd take a nail and a {NS} 647: And a hammer. {NS} Interviewer: You say I took the hammer and I what the #1 nail in? # 647: #2 Nail yeah # and hang the picture up. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: And um {NS} {NW} {C: child} {NS} Where did people used to {NS} um {NS} keep their stove wood? {NS} 647: Put they in a corner in the house I had a box put they in a box. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Did they ever have a special building that they'd use? 647: uh-uh no Aux3: {X} 647: You keep out of the way. {NS} Aux3: Oh what's wrong? {NS} Interviewer: What about for keeping their tools? do people ever have 647: Toolbox {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: Make a box and put the tools in it {NS} Interviewer: What about um before they had {NS} toilets inside what did they call that {NS} the outdoor toilet? {NS} 647: Outdoor {D: style?} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: They used to call it a closet. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Anything else they call it? 647: mm-mm {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever hear any joking name for it? 647: No {NS} uh-uh Interviewer: Or any sort of vulgar names? 647: mm-mm {NS} Interviewer: What dif- 647: Irma sit down you just like a {D: Mageline} Aux2: {X} {NS} You go and see if Daniel wants some water. {X} 647: {D: Give him a plastic cup get one of them green plastic cup} {C: screeching} {NS} Not the blue one now look in the white cabinet. {NS} Give him one of them plastic cups {NS} uh-huh {NS} Aux2: {D: I don't need you} {NS} 647: You'd better leave that boy alone that boy get a little bigger and he'll whip y'all. {NS} Interviewer: ha 647: {NW} {NS} Interviewer: What what different buildings did they have on the farm? {NS} You mentioned a barn what else did they have? {NS} 647: That's all I know {NS} Oh I thought you were shutting them up. {NS} Interviewer: Where would rich people store their corn? {NS} 647: Oh in their barn. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: In the barn. {NS} Interviewer: Was it a special place in the barn? {NS} 647: Yeah sometimes they had a a corner separate to throw the corn. {NS} Interviewer: huh? {NS} 647: Sometime they separate the place to throw the corn yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh #1 What # 647: #2 Stack # it up in a pile. {NS} Interviewer: What'd they call that place? {NS} 647: Just call it the barn and its place to throw the corn #1 the corn in. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # {NS} Do you ever hear of a crib {NS} or corn barn or {NS} corn crib {NS} 647: mm-mm {NS} That's what a horse had to eat in. {NS} Interviewer: What's that? {NS} 647: A star a stall was for the horse to eat in. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh Was that part of the barn? {NS} 647: uh-uh yeah the bar- those horse they in their barn for they self. {NS} The horse be in the barn they in a stable to theyself and the corn to theyself. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: {X} {NS} Interviewer: What about the grain where would grain be kept? {NS} 647: What grain? {C: baby} {NS} Interviewer: Was there a special place- 647: Mustard green and thing like that? Interviewer: Grain. {NS} 647: I don't know hear talk of that. {NS} Grain. {NS} Interviewer: Do you ever hear of a grainery or granary? 647: uh-uh {NS} Interviewer: What about the {NS} the upper part of the barn where you could store the hay? {NS} 647: Oh yeah that place and you could story hay up at put up um {NS} a fence like in there for the store the hay. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} You know that that upper part of the barn though? 647: Yeah up in the loft Interviewer: uh-huh 647: Yeah {NS} Interviewer: What about the {NS} You know when you first cut the hay out in the field and you let it dry #1 so you break it # 647: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: up in little piles? 647: mm-hmm Call it a stack. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} #1 How big # 647: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: is the stack? {NS} 647: Oh sure you can make it big. {NS} They'd be round Interviewer: uh-huh 647: big round {NS} {D: point it up} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} But what about the little piles of hay just about this big? {NS} Do you ever hear of a doodle or a cock or a shock of hay? 647: mm-mm no Aux5: that's what I want. 647: A shock of hay that must be that what they bundle up. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm We never did put to have that down here. {NS} Interviewer: What about you know when you cut the hay off a piece of land then enough grows back so you can cut it again #1 the same year # 647: #2 Yeah mm-hmm # Interviewer: {NS} what did they call that? {NS} 647: Call it hay that's all. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: {D: Harving} up the hay for the animal. {NS} But we never did raise that like that. {NS} Interviewer: What different animals did y'all have? {NS} 647: Horse and a cows {NS} we had cow and horse. {NS} Interviewer: Where did you keep your cows? {NS} 647: On the back levy {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: the horse you can keep 'em in the tie 'em anywhere on the road. {NS} Put him in the stable at night Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Close 'em up in the stable. {NS} Interviewer: Did you have a shelter for the cows? {NS} 647: No {NS} too many. {NS} Interviewer: How many did y'all have? {NS} 647: There's too many for thirty eight cattle {NS} and we lost them all with the {D: shovel.} {NS} Interviewer: huh {NS} 647: Lost them all. {NS} Interviewer: When? {NS} 647: It was couple years a good while ago. {NS} He just would holler and he just {NS} fall down dead. {NS} Interviewer: mm {NS} 647: Sickness was {D: in them} {NS} Interviewer: The place where you turn the cows out to graze you call that the? {NS} 647: Turn 'em loose you just call it you call it nothing. {NS} Interviewer: huh? {NS} 647: I said we just turn them loose that's all ain't nothing but turning 'em loose. {NS} {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: We had no farm we'd just turn 'em l- just let 'em go in the back let 'em {C: baby} {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: stay out there all day and all night. {NS} Interviewer: Do you ever call that the pasture? {NS} 647: We didn't have no pasture for 'em. {NS} Interviewer: What's a pasture {NS} 647: That's well that's when you {NS} uh put posts and you fence make uh {NS} a fence a wire fence for 'em to stay in. mm-hmm {NS} But we didn't need that over here we didn't need that. {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever see a little fenced in place with {NS} out in the pasture where where you could um shut the cows up and leave them overnight for milking. {NS} 647: Oh yeah mm-hmm {NS} Yeah we had pasture to shut 'em up at night. {NS} Milk 'em and turn loose the next day. {NW} {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Yeah we had pasture to shut 'em up. {C: baby} {NS} Interviewer: Do you ever hear of a milk gap or cow gap? {NS} 647: Yeah a cowpen that's just a little pen for the {NS} when you milk your cow. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What about um you know on a house {NS} the room up between the {NS} the roof and the top of the house you call that the? 647: I ain't never had no house like that what two story building? {NS} Interviewer: Nah I was thinking did you ever hear of the {NS} the garret or the attic or the loft. {NS} 647: Well that attic is just like this here. {NS} Now we calls that a loft and people call that up in there the attic. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: You call it the loft. {NS} 647: I used to call we used to call it the loft a long time ago but now people calls it the attic. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What about {NS} um the kind of animals that they get {NS} bacon from? {NS} 647: That's hogs. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: They make bacon out of hogs. {NS} Interviewer: Do you care if I shut this door cuz 647: Oh no you can shut it. {NS} Interviewer: the noise. {NS} 647: It ain't gonna do to much good for the noise though. {NS} Y'all going? {X} You going Scott? {NS} Shoot let her go let her go play with him. {NS} They ain't gonna go on the road they ain't gonna go on {NS} {X} That boy's scared of them um {NS} that boy's scared of the trucks. {NS} He said turn they {C: baby} {D: gonna roll over. } {NS} Say uncle Turner gonna kill him on the road. Something gonna roll over. {NS} Interviewer: Where would where would you keep hogs? {NS} 647: Hogs in the pen I never did fool with hogs. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Don't fool with no hog too much trouble. {NS} Interviewer: What about chickens where would they be? {NS} 647: In the pen in they chicken in the pen the wire things I got chicken out there. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about a little place just for the mother hen and the little chicks? {NS} 647: You call it a {D: brooder.} {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What about something you could use for shipping chickens {NS} you put them in a? {NS} 647: You puts 'em in a crate when you ship 'em but I don't ship no chickens. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about a coob or coop? {NS} 647: Yeah some people put them under a coop. {NS} Interviewer: What's that look like? {NS} 647: That's made just like this {NS} and you got slats across it. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: {D: mm-hmm that's just about a coop. } Interviewer: When do you put them in that? {NS} 647: The hens with the little chicken. {NS} mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: And {NS} a hen on a nest of eggs would be called a? 647: Setting. Interviewer: mm-kay {NS} What about what you could put in a {NS} if you wanted to make a hen start laying what would you put in her nest to fool her? {NS} 647: Put in to lay with? {NS} Lay on? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Put straw hay. {NS} Interviewer: Or {NS} you put in a 647: In the nest for them to lay the eggs on. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: #1 mm-hmm # Aux3: #2 Glass # eggs. (C: whispering) 647: Oh them glass eggs that what you talking about glass eggs? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: I don't use them I used to use them before but I don't have none no more. {NS} You don't see them glass eggs no more. {NS} Interviewer: Uh-huh say if you had a real good set of dishes {NS} your dishes would be made out of? {NS} 647: China. Interviewer: What about an egg made out of that? {NS} Did you ever see a {NS} 647: Egg made out of what? Interviewer: China. {NS} 647: Oh them china egg yeah I done seen that. {NS} What's? {NS} Interviewer: What did people use those for? {NS} 647: For put in the nest for the chicken to lay. {NS} uh-huh {NS} {C: bad screech} Interviewer: You know um {NS} when you're eating chicken there's a bone that goes like this. {NS} 647: Yeah um Aux2: Wishbone. 647: yeah the wishbone. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Any stories about that? {NS} 647: Yeah {NS} yeah somebody'd pull on it and um {NS} How do you say that? {NS} you're lucky {NS} Aux3: Oh you make a wish. 647: You make a yeah you make a wish and you don't tell 'em about what you wishing. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Two people pull on the bone you know {NS} the one get the biggest piece got the wish. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} {NW} {NS} 647: Well no any true that just people talk. Interviewer: Ha {NS} um {NS} You know {NS} on the {NS} the barn {NS} a fixed in place around the barn where the animals could walk #1 around? # 647: #2 mm-hmm # {NS} You call it a pasture. {NS} Interviewer: Well just just around the barn. 647: Well yeah that's a pasture. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Do you ever hear of a cow lot or a barn yard or {NS} a stable lot? {NS} 647: Yeah hear talk hear talk about stable yeah. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Where you shut your horses at night. {NS} Interviewer: Say if uh {NS} if you had a {NS} cotton planted you'd call that a cotton? {NS} 647: Cotton farm? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Or you'd plant the cotton in a big? {NS} 647: {D: Growing farm needs} {NS} big lot of ground huh? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Well if it's a big lot of ground you call it the {NS} 647: A square of cotton uh {NS} You call it a square of cotton. {C: Vehicle} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about if you planted sweet potatoes {NS} you call it a sweet potato {NS} 647: Oh I don't know {D: somethings} {NS} There are sweet potato farm but we don't have that down here. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Do you ever hear of a patch? {NS} 647: Yeah {NS} they call go out in the patch {NS} Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 647: #2 {D: You go out in the} # {D: patch mm-hmm. } {NS} Interviewer: What about something a whole lot bigger than a patch? {NS} 647: Well I don't know. {NS} {D: I don't remember what you call it now. } {NS} Interviewer: um {NS} Say if {NS} a kind of fence that people used to have {NS} a wooden fence it'd go in and out? {NS} 647: Oh you talking about the little picket fence. {NS} Interviewer: What did the picket fence look like? {NS} 647: Well thats just a wooden fence they cut out pointed {NS} and they about this far apart. {NS} Interviewer: About four inches 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: apart? {NS} 647: Yeah. {NS} Interviewer: Would it be {X} {C: screech} 647: Would it be what? {C: baby} {NS} Interviewer: #1 Would it be # 647: #2 Yeah # you nail it you nail it on a cross piece yeah you got to. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about a wooden fence that would go in and out like this {NS} around the pasture did you ever see one of those? 647: mm-mm {NS} I seen maybe the wire around the pasture but not with the planks. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} um {NS} What kind of wire would y- 647: Barbed wire. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: They call it barbed wire with stickers. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} You take the wire and then you tail it to a? {NS} 647: Yeah {NS} you nail it to the posts. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: {NS} {X} {NS} I hope they don't mess with my lawn my lawnmower there. {NS} Interviewer: To set to set a fence up you'd dig hole and put the 647: You got to dig a hole and put the posts down yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: You got to put all your posts down before you put the fence {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: before you put the wire on it. you hungry? {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever see a fence or wall made out of loose stone or rock? {NS} 647: mm-mm {NS} Interviewer: um {NS} If you wanted to get a an area ready for {NS} for planting what would you break the ground up with? {NS} 647: Well a plow or tractor now they they break the ground up with a tractor they don't use no more horses. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: They use tractor now. {NS} Interviewer: What'd what did 647: What he had he drop it he looking for what is stuck to his foot? {NS} He mess his gum? Aux6: mm-hmm 647: He had chewing gum? {NS} Aux2: Well I'll get it. {NS} 647: {D: look at it little boy} Ha {NS} He walked on it and had it on his foot. {NS} What's that? {NS} Interviewer: What different kinds of plows did people use to have? {NS} 647: Different what? {NS} Interviewer: Different kinds of plows did people use to have? {NS} 647: They just plow the hole with their hands. {NS} You spent all the stamps eh? {NS} I don't have this. {NS} I don't want that. {NS} Tell him he can keep that. {NS} Interviewer: What about something that had a lot of teeth in it to break up the ground 647: A harrow. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Was there different kinds of harrows? {NS} 647: No. {NS} Just a just a with the teeths on it the iron teeths. {NS} Interviewer: Did um {NS} People ever raise cotton or sugar cane in this area? 647: No mm-mm mm-mm {NS} Only thing they used to raise beans snap beans. {NS} Butter bean. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: Just raise thing like that. {NS} Corn. {NS} I raise chickens people don't raise that no more. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: They don't raise nothing no more. {NS} Interviewer: Do you ever hear people talk about chopping or scrapping {NS} #1 mm-hmm # 647: #2 cotton? # {NS} Cotton? {NS} Interviewer: Or sugar cane or {NS} 647: No {NS} That's something I never did fool around is sugar cane. Interviewer: What does it mean to to scrape something or to chop it what is? {NS} 647: You chop it first then you plow it make your rows up. {NS} Interviewer: What do you mean chop it what do you do then? {NS} 647: Huh? You chop it with a chopper {NS} and the tractor. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What kind of grass would would grow up. {NS} 647: What kind of grass grow here now? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh Aux2: There's a s- 647: Johnson grass clovers all kind of old bad grass. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh Aux3: Today is the eighteenth. 647: Nothing but Johnson grass around here now. {NS} Today is eighteenth? {NS} Well {NS} Aux3: Cuz tomorrow the big concert {X} 647: You going eh? {NS} Aux2: Today is the eighteenth. {NS} Tomorrow is nineteenth. 647: I believe my my my watch got the go get my watch I believe my watch got the eighteenth look see. Interviewer: Yeah it's the eighteenth. Aux2: Today's the eighteenth. {NS} 647: Look see my watch is right I think got the eighteenth look on the dresser. Aux3: Where it's at? {NS} 647: Look on the dresser. {NS} I think it's the eighteenth was on it. {NS} Was it the eighteenth? {NS} That's old calendar Irma get my calendar new calendar in here. {NS} You don't see that {X} do you it's not in that it's on that it's on the {NS} look see there Irma you know where I got my watch. Aux2: You got the nineteenth today's the eighteenth. {NS} 647: What it's got the nineteenth? Aux2: Yeah {NS} today's the eighteenth. {NS} 647: It's too fast- {X} {NS} Aux3: I been writing the wrong date I had to get a seventeenth. {NS} 647: What you make checks you make checks? {NS} Aux3: Seventeenth is {X} {NS} 647: Why don't you look at you calendar so you be straight? {NS} Aux2: {D: Okay they about seven hours late now} {NS} 647: Where it's at? Aux2: {D: pitching with y'all} 647: Huh? Aux2: Back with y'all. {NS} 647: {D: Back with who?} Aux2: With y'all. {NS} 647: With y'all? {X} Oh Beth I know what you give Irma seven {D: late hours show you seven late now} Aux3: {D: Why she give you seven hours} {NS} {X} {NS} 647: Quit your crying for your Irma take him. {C: baby} Aux2: {X} 647: Take him Irma. {C: baby} {NS} Irma! {C: yells} {NS} Ah you're more right with your grandma than what you do with your mama huh? {C: baby} Aux2: {X} 647: Huh? {NS} Aux2: {X} 647: Yeah real cool. {NS} {X} That's as far as I can go I don't think I can't answer no more now. {NS} Interviewer: ha okay. 647: I don't be out no no more. {NS} About a week or so. {NS} Well I got a bird a little parakeet. {NS} I don't never take my bird out of the cage take my bird out of the cage and turn it loose {NS} {D: and tell Carter} tell open the door so he can get out of here open the door. {NS} I say Glen I'm gonna take this club and I'm gonna knock you over the head with it. {NS} {D: He wasn't waving he's just} {X} I don't like him to fool with my bird. {C: vehicle} Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} 647: You know you don't turn loose 'em when you get 'em out of the cage they bumping all over the walls just hitting they hurt theyself {NS} and nearly kill theyself. {NS} And I like those little birds. Interviewer: You still have one? {NS} 647: Yeah {NS} Interviewer: {D: Can I see? } 647: {D: Sure you can you didn't see that bird he pass in that chair.} {NS} I need a what you got to hang a cage up I keeps it on a chair a big chair. {NS} mm I got two I lost one my brother he give me that. {NS} And I lost one of 'em {NS} and I got one left. {NS} I wanted to get me another one but they so high they sell 'em for eight dollars that's too much money I can't put money like that now. {NS} Used to could get 'em for a dollar ninety-eight cent {NS} but now they eight dollar for one parakeet. {NS} I don't know. {NS} And he's just a little tiny little bitty bird go look in there. {NS} He's tiny. {NS} If he just start singing. {NS} Interviewer: um {NS} If you're talking about a farm you know a {NS} a large farm where they have a lot of milk cows {NS} and they sell the- 647: They don't have that here. {NS} Interviewer: What do they call that? {NS} 647: A pasture I guess. {NS} Interviewer: But just a large place where they have milk {NS} cows. 647: Yeah call it a range something. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Where would- 647: We don't have that down here. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: They has a lot of cattle but they got 'em turned loose on the back levy back there. {NS} See that big levy back there? {NS} Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 647: #2 You have # gang of cattle back there. {X} {C: vehicle} They calls it cattle on the pasture I guess. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about um {NS} where do the stores around here buy their milk from? {NS} 647: Uh what kind of milk cow milk? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: See that milk come from Mississippi all over I think {NS} not from here. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What do they call the place that they buy it from? 647: I don't know honey. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} um 647: {D: I don't know.} {NS} Interviewer: I was thinking of a {NS} 647: They calls it a dairy Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 647: #2 eh # milk dairy. {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever hear that word dairy used to mean any thing else other besides {NS} 647: #1 mm-mm mm-mm # Interviewer: #2 {D: that kind of farm} # {NS} Where um {NS} did y'all use to keep milk and butter before you had a refrigerator? {NS} 647: Oh girl we just used to keep it inside. {NS} They didn't used to have no refrigerator a long time ago. {NS} Interviewer: What would you- 647: You'd milk your cow and you'd boil it {NW} and set it in your {D: sink} or something. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: They used to have those icebox you know? {NS} What you buy the ice {NS} and uh you put the uh buy ice and put it in the icebox and then {NS} but you couldn't get no ice around here like you can now. {NS} Now you can go out the ice house and get ice down in Venice. {NS} But here you'd have to buy ice on the boat when the boat would pass you'd have to buy. {C: gets up} You had to run out to the other river {D: the Elsie} and you buy a box a hundred pound of ice {C: distant} {X} {C: moving away} {X}{C: doing dishes} {X} {NS} The storm uh {NS} Bessy took that. {NS} And in my first house I had bought {C: vehicle} {NS} I used to have bought them icebox I call them. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: What you put ice in you have to buy ice. {NS} but uh {NS} you seen here lately come out they didn't used to have all that before. {NS} Interviewer: What about um {NS} how they keep potatoes or or turnips during the winter. {NS} 647: I- they don't plant no turnips to keep. {NS} When they do so turn around and there was a honey they they {NS} plant plant the turnip {NS} they'd bunch 'em and bring it to the French market. {NS} But you don't see that here no more. {NS} Interviewer: What's the French market? {NS} 647: In in New Orleans {NS} around Decatur street. {NS} You don't ever seen the French market? {NS} Interviewer: I think I know where it is. {NS} but I don't think I've ever been. 647: Oh yeah I don't that's where they bring all kind of stuff there. {NS} Oh they bring melon {NS} potato all kind of things in the market tomato {NS} apples pear plum. {NS} All kind of thing strawberry. {NS} That's where they go and get they stuff {NS} at the French market. {NS} They used to farm here they don't farm no more. {NS} They used to plant plenty of beans around here and snap beans and {NS} butter bean and bring that to the market in truck {NS} pack it up and then bring it to the market. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: They don't do that here no more. {NS} Can't raise it no more Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What um {NS} you mentioned the snap beans {NS} is there any other name for snap beans? 647: mm-mm {NS} Not that I know of. {NS} Interviewer: Green beans? 647: They got all kind of beans there they they call them green beans you got {NS} you got all kind of snap beans you got {NS} black valentine they got companion. {NS} You got something they call refugee beans. {NS} They have all kind of beans we used to plant all kind I got {NS} golden wax bean that's a yellow bean Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: uh we don't they don't plant no more beans here {NS} you even can't get people to pick beans. {NS} Interviewer: What about um lima beans. {NS} 647: Oh that's uh {NS} that's a butter bean you call lima beans. {NS} You ever seen them butter bean what they call butter beans Interviewer: So butter beans are are 647: Flat. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: mm-hmm {NS} Um that's what you call lima bean. Interviewer: It's the same thing butter beans and lima beans? 647: Yeah it's the same kinda bean. {NS} Interviewer: What about um {NS} You say he'd take the tops of turnips and cook them and make a mess of? {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} He didn't cook the turnip top with the bottom {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: cut the bottom and the tops together and cook it. {NS} Interviewer: #1 What do you call it? # 647: #2 It's good # you ever didn't eat that? {NS} Interviewer: #1 Oh I haven't eaten the tops yet. # 647: #2 I don't know. # {NS} I don't know what you call it me. {NS} Just call it cooking turnip and the bottom together. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What else besides turnips do you cook? {NS} 647: Carrots. {NS} Radish you don't cook that you just eat that like that I don't like that. {NS} Interviewer: You don't like that? 647: mm-mm I don't eat no radish {NS} you just eat that raw {NS} you don't cook that. Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} 647: Like a salad mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Well you talk about 647: beats you boil that #1 uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 cook that # 647: slice it up mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: Would you talk about turnip greens or turnip salad {NS} or what? {NS} 647: Turnip green. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: What other kinds of greens besides turnips? 647: Mustard greens Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: They got um {NS} tender greens. {NS} They have um {NS} collard greens. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: That's almost like a cabbage but {NS} it just grows straight you know you cook the leaves it just make leaves. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: I don't care for that either. {NS} Interviewer: What about um {NS} something that {NS} grows down on the ground and makes your eyes water if you cut it? 647: Onions? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: What do you call the little ones that you {NS} you eat when they're still {NS} small? 647: I don't know. {NS} They have little bitty onion what they puts in salad I don't know what they call it I think salad onion I guess. uh-huh Interviewer: What about um {NS} something you could use in a gumbo? {NS} 647: Oysters. {NS} Shrimp. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about a k- 647: Crab. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What about a kind of vegetable? {NS} 647: What you use what in gumbo? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: Parsley? That's all I know and onion. {NS} Interviewer: What about okay- {NS} 647: Okra? Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: I know you can make gumbo with okra too like when you make a shrimp gumbo with crab and ham and different thing. {NS} Some people I guess put okra in but I puts file in it gumbo file. {NS} Interviewer: What's that is that that sassafras {NS} the file 647: mm-mm the the {NS} The file tree {NS} is uh that's sassafras the roots. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: It's a leaf and you got to dry then you mash 'em up you beat 'em up. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What about um you know the tomatoes {NS} what do you call the little tomatoes that don't get any bigger than this? 647: I don't know what they call them little tomatoes. {NS} You know one day I went to the grocery and I seen th- {NW} {NS} you know them little basket like they put strawberry? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: Saw them and I said what's that little plums? {NS} And my daughter said no that's little tomatoes and I said I ain't never did see little tomato that small. Interviewer: {NS} ha 647: I never did I go and I see things that I ain't never did see like uh {NS} purple cabbage. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: The color of a eggplant like {NS} in the grocery I never did see them make them kind of cabbage before. {NS} I don't believe I could eat them. Interviewer: ha {NS} 647: I don't believe I wanna no I don't believe I wanna eat that. {NS} And they got some kind of bean they call horse bean {NS} they grow long like that. Interviewer: What a foot? {NS} Two feet long 647: Yeah great big old beans they make. {NS} That's more {X} people use that they tell me. {NS} We plant they come high like that the bush. {NS} and the bean be that long great big old long beans. {NS} Interviewer: What about if you want to get the beans out of the pot you'd say you have to? 647: {D: Haul it. } {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} #1 And # 647: #2 When they # dry {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: You know {NS} um talking about lettuce if you wanted to go to the store and buy some lettuce you'd ask for three? {NS} 647: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # three what? {NS} 647: Head of lettuce. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Would you ever use that word head talking about children? 647: hmm? Interviewer: Would you ever use that word head talking about children? {NS} 647: Children? Talking about children? {NS} Interviewer: Say if someone had five children would you ever say he had five head of children? 647: mm-mm {NS} Just say five children I hear them talking about five or six head of cattle but not {NS} not the children. Interviewer: uh-huh 647: mm-hmm Interviewer: What about if someone had about fourteen children you'd say he really had a? {NS} 647: A whole gang of children. {NS} Interviewer: Do you ever hear {NS} people say a passel of children? {NS} 647: mm-mm {NS} No we was um {NS} we was thirteen of us. {NS} Interviewer: Gosh. 647: My mother had thirteen she had nineteen children {NS} and she raised thirteen. {NS} And uh {NS} last year I got two brother die we were six brothers and seven sisters we still seven sisters. {NS} Now we got four brothers. {NS} {D: This year}{C: names} five six we lost two. {NS} I lost a brother in the the twentieth of July in California he was visiting. {NS} and I lost one in New Orleans. {NS} September the thirteenth it'll be a year coming September. {NS} And when be dead a year {NS} July coming on the twentieth. {NS} {D: and right behind her.} {NS} One of 'em was seventy one with making his seventy on the fourth of July he would make him seventy. {NS} And the other one he was eighty years old. {NS} He had {NS} lost his eyes he had lost his sight. {NS} And he took sick and he died. Interviewer: hmm {NS} 647: He had three children but they all was grown up children. {NS} He was married four time. {NS} He had lost three wives he had buried. {NS} And {D:name} this uh this wife buried him. {NS} He had children with first wife with his second wife third wife and he had none with his fourth wife three wife {NS} he didn't have none with her neither because she's already old. {NS} See my mother's picture up there? {NS} Interviewer: Oh yeah I notice that. 647: That's my mother. {NS} She was ninety years old when she died. {NS} Interviewer: Gosh {NS} 647: Used to do all her work all her scrubbing her ironing nobody couldn't iron for her {NS} neither wash. {NS} She used to wash {NS} before she got a machine she used to wash on the washboard. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: And she'd wash them clothes in two waters {NS} and she'd rise 'em in two waters Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: before she'd hang 'em up. {NS} And she'd iron our own clothes and she didn't want a wrinkle in our clothes none of 'em couldn't iron no {C: vehicle} {X} here's a mop and wax the floor with soap and everything. {C: vehicle} {NS} See nobody don't do nothing for me neither no I don't leave nobody do nothing for me. {NS} I do my own work. Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} 647: My mopping {NS} my washing {NS} hoeing when I was getting ready to hoe {NS} pull the side blade and mow. {NS} See my onion I got back there? {NS} I got {NS} melon plant all back there yesterday I went to clean my row of potatoes. {NS} But I got all to rise I can't wait so good it worry oh I put two weeks out there. {NS} Dragging with them all how they could pick him up oh but I was feeling bad up in here yeah. {NS} But I ain't throw none of them children {NS} Oh I'm gonna hurt me so bad I hate get up. {NS} I used to get up in the morning go feed my chicken give 'em water come back inside and clean my house up. {NS} Yesterday morning mop all up in here. {NS} This morning I pass the deck mopping here again. {NS} I don't even I don't I can't keep still. {NS} Interviewer: What different kinds of potatoes do you have planted? {NS} 647: Oh you can plant the pink potatoes and the white potatoes I plant some pink potato. I didn't plant white they're just a little piece I have for myself. {C: mumbles} {NS} I can't wait like I want in no garden no more {C:mumbles} {NS} I count my own with my legs. {NS} and out there riding in my knees and out there riding in my shoulder. {NS} Sometimes I come right when I have to come my head up. {NS} I gonna be hurting so bad. {NS} Right up in there see up in {X} that Interviewer: uh-huh 647: Look like something be up in there I don't know what something be rolling up in there. {NS} I take medicine for it and I have sugar in the blood {NS} I went to the doctor twice and I ain't got no more sugar. {NS} Well I'm a diet I don't eat nothing sweet. {NS} Let me see my rice if I cook rice I have to boil it and strain it. {NS} Interviewer: What do you call those pink potatoes? {NS} 647: Orange potatoes Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} #1 What oth- # 647: #2 Just call 'em # {D: orange.} {NS} Interviewer: #1 What oth- # 647: #2 Pink # orange potato. {NS} Interviewer: #1 What other # 647: #2 And they got # the white orange potatoes. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What else besides orange potatoes? {NS} 647: You got sweet potatoes. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Are there different kinds of sweet potatoes? 647: Yeah there different kind but I don't know I know they have some white orange potatoes and they have {NS} I forgot what they call them yellows um {NS} potatoes. {NS} {D: I gone forgot more potatoes} Interviewer: Do you ever hear of yams? {NS} 647: Yeah that's right them yam potatoes them yellow potatoes. {NS} Interviewer: Yellow sweet potatoes? 647: uh-huh and they have some sweet potato. {NS} It's white inside just like orange potato you don't see that no more. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: What about um {NS} do you know on corn {NS} the outside of the ear of corn they call that the? {NS} 647: Corn shell? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 What about # the stringy stuff they take off the corn? 647: What the hair? {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: There's the hair on the corn. Interviewer: uh-huh And the thing that grows on the top of the corn stalk? 647: The tassel. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 647: The corn tassel. {NS} Interviewer: And you know the kind of corn that's {NS} tender enough to eat {D: on the cob? } 647: mm-hmm {C: vehicle} {NS} With you boil it like that its {NS} when it's tender when you {NS} when you boi- to eat you break 'em tender and going for the chicken you give 'em dry. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Do you call it sweet corn or roasting ears or? {NS} 647: I don't know what they call it. {NS} I just call it corn me. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 647: They have white corn and they have yellow corn. {NS} I guess they got a name for them but I don't know. {NS} Interviewer: What about when it's tender enough to eat then you call it. {NS} 647: Oh just corn. Interviewer: uh-huh. {NS} um {NS} What about a little {NS} yellow crooked necked vegetable. {NS} 647: A little yellow pumpkin? A squash? uh-huh {NS} mm {NS}