703: were influential in establishment of both the male and feel ma- female academy in Warren interviewer: side five taping listen to after side 4 did your uh husband ever have anything that he used to tell time with that he wore in his pocket 703: there's his pocket watch right there railroad watch interviewer: did was that given to him 703: no he bought the watch interviewer: uh-huh 703: and Clara gave it and uh after he passed away she gave me that little frame to put the watch in to really to make a little clock but I never keep it going I don't try to interviewer: if it's um if it's between ten and eleven o'clock like it is right now what time you'd say it is? right now what time is it over there 703: ten thirty interviewer: do you call it do you ever say half past 703: sometimes Mm-hmm. interviewer: um if you've been doing something for a long time you might say I've been doing that for quite 703: well I done a lot of I done red cross work here's my diploma from that and I was awarded this for working with the {NS} four H club work #1 when # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: Ann was a girl {C: name} and then I as I said I was a teacher I mean president of the P-T-A #1 up here # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: two different times and held just about every uh office that the P-T-A had interviewer: well this was issued at Washington D-C wasn't it um 703: see back in those years I worked with the P-T-A I was a member of the {D: friar guard} or uh what you called it the uh garden club interviewer: mm-hmm 703: as well as the home demonstration club now they call it the home maker's club they changed it #1 from home de- # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: just like when I got that medal at rise and it says on it S-I-A which means uh School Improvement Association which later was changed when the P-T-A was formed while they called it P-T-A #1 parent teacher association # interviewer: #2 oh I see mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # um what kind of flowers did you grow for your garden club in your 703: in my gar- #1 for my # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # in your garden club what'd you show 703: well just I just grew all kinds of flowers that I could grow some we lived in that house over there why all this was in a big side of the yard we had about a acre in this yard and I just had all kinds of flowers and uh really I would have rather been in a horticulture club because that teaches you how to grow them where the other the garden club you have to learn to arrange flowers which I wasn't too interested in and I stayed in it though for ever so many years until I thought Anne is growing up and I thought that she needed new more help with this four H club work and things like that and she was in the band Anne was #1 and # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: and she was also in two singing choir one a choir and one something else I forget and mister brown coat same man is there now that's born the b- first started the band when Anne was about twelve or thirteen years old she was the first band queen interviewer: oh she was? 703: mm-hmm #1 that picture I # interviewer: #2 and then # she went on to uh to school where did she #1 go # 703: #2 then # she when she graduated from here? why she went to Harding and graduated from there with a Cum Cum Laude and then she taught school in Nashville, Tennessee one year she and one of her roommates had had at at Har- had been at Harding they were real good friends Sarah Brown and uh then uh my daughter {D: the under dean} told her by that time my husband's health was getting real poorly and she told him Ann that said if daddy's goes down as fast the next year as he has the last said I'd advise you not to go off so far as Nashville said because he won't be here and said you'd either have to quit school quit your school over there or never get to see him and so she taught in the deaf school in Little Rock that year interviewer: mm-hmm 703: and sure enough he passed away just two weeks before her school was out interviewer: and she went back to college 703: well she wanted to go on to K- Knoxville right out of when she finished at Harding and we told her she had gone to school sixteen years straight twelve up here and four at Harding and that uh we thought that she'd better do something else a while she might have a nervous breakdown or something and that uh least it'd be better for her to do something else so she taught those two years and then her father passed away she says now I'm going to to Knoxville this fall interviewer: and what school does she go to there? 703: University Tennessee at Knoxville and she made real good grades there she she was a home ec student at Harding and uh she got a bachelor of science there Cum Laude and then from Knoxville she got a master of science she ha- she studied interior de- decorating and crafts and arts and management of children she had a double minor in that and they gave her the second year she was there they gave her a s- made her assistant teacher in this department so it made her stay two whole years where if they hadn't why she would she'd could've gotten out in a year and a half or so but they to- they paid her tuition and paid her hundred and thirty something dollars a month and that helped an awfully a lot because I was having to put her through I first thing when she said she's going back she went up to the bank she borrowed fifteen hundred dollars it didn't even last one half a semester and I told her there was that interest you know she would be going on a year or two and before she could even start paying it back doing anything to pay it back I told her I that if uh that I would pay that off for her that fifteen hundred dollars cause I just couldn't see it hanging over her head to have to pay back the interest that would be accrued on it and in the meantime and I paid it off for her and told her that I would try to help her the rest of the way and it helped so much then that was the first year and then it helped so much when she got to be assistant teacher there in that department but still that she had so much expenses and everything still that she'd call me and say mother I need so much money and I'd go direct to the post office and put it in air mail so she'd get it the next day interviewer: there's a couple of things that uh we missed about the weather that I wanted to ask you about if um no rain came around here for weeks and weeks what do you call it? 703: drought interviewer: okay and uh if the weather changes in the fall when all the sudden it you get up one morning and it and it feels good outside but it's cold what do you say it's r- it's what 703: uh say that again interviewer: okay um when you first go outdoors in the fall and you've had warm weather and then you find that it's real cold but to but it feels good you'd say that it's rather what you'd say this morning it's rather 703: chilly interviewer: okay do you ever say anything like uh snappy sharp or anything like that 703: no I just say oh it's chilly or cold this morning interviewer: uh-huh and uh what from which direction do we have the wind in in Watson Chapel 703: well if it's turning cold it's from the north and if it's turning warmer it's from the south or southeast interviewer: do you ever have any from uh 703: and if it's gonna rain or snow it maybe it'll be from the east and and when you get a east wind you're just know that it's if it's warm enough it's gonna rain and if it's uh cold enough it's gonna snow interviewer: and uh you don't have any do you ever have any from the southwest? 703: yes sometimes that's usually the direction we get our tornadoes from interviewer: mm-mm from the southwest uh-huh 703: they come start this way come on up around this way #1 {D: if you look} # interviewer: #2 um # 703: southwest to the northwest interviewer: you said that your parents had a or I can't remember whether it was your home or your parents home had a a fireplace at each end of it didn't you 703: uh-huh interviewer: uh what did they have in the fireplace? to hold the logs 703: andirons interviewer: alright and that black stuff that came out of the fireplace was the 703: soot interviewer: okay and the the um the part that the smoke went out was the 703: chimney interviewer: okay and what did you call the different sizes of wood the wood that you use to start the fire 703: papa called it kindling interviewer: mm-hmm 703: because at that time he owned all that acreage and he had he had lots of pine woods that he sold to my husband after he'd come there and a sawmill in in that community sold in his a lot of pine big pine virgin pine and then he ha- he had bought my his father's place from his brother and sister and well he they'd just go back in those woods where pines had been cut down or they had fallen down and where they'd rotted and they'd leave the core of the pine and and maybe uh a knot where the limbs had been interviewer: mm-hmm 703: and they'd call that pine knots and he'd have 'em haul up have the boys that worked for him haul up a wagon load or two of those for the winter and he'd cut those pine knots or that rich pine up into splinters interviewer: mm-hmm 703: little fine and then he'd that's when he'd start the fire in the fireplaces interviewer: and uh did you ever have uh anything built out from the from the fireplace there the top part what did you call 703: #1 yeah yeah mantel is # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: {X} interviewer: okay I just 703: #1 solid # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: uh solid uh uh walnut mantels #1 on both # interviewer: #2 and then # the at the bottom where it came out what'd you call that maybe you'd maybe it'd be brick or rock or something and uh maybe you'd sit ar- sit around it 703: that was the what did we call that {D: fire fire sky} oh well she's got it up high and they used to the the interviewer: did you call it a hearth? 703: yes hearth #1 sit around # interviewer: #2 and # 703: the hearth interviewer: if you had a room off from your kitchen where you kept all your food where you stored the food what'd you call that room 703: {D: grandma Grifford's house had one} and we have one on the back what was it called kind of a closet back and yet it was called something else interviewer: would you call it a kitchen closet maybe? 703: it had a name but something just interviewer: oh 703: I can't think of it interviewer: to get from the first floor up to the second floor in a two story house how'd you get there? 703: well there's always stairs but we didn't live in a two story house but grandmother Griffin did when she lived with the doctor Martins {D: that woman} interviewer: what'd you call the boards on the outside of the house that lapped over each other 703: uh hmm my husband cut all that lumber that's over there in that house and built er- built everything so #1 but uh # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: #1 one # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: laps over there the like you say but uh I don't know what to called it he'd he'd know if here he could just tell you right now #1 but I don't # interviewer: #2 well what was the # building where you kept corn stored in 703: well now that wa- papa called it a barn #1 he just ca- # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: he had ever so many barns on his place #1 one for hay # interviewer: #2 would you have called it # crib or anything like that 703: I believe it was the where he kept the corn #1 a crib # interviewer: #2 okay # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: and uh he had a place for hay and an pl- and a barn for the #1 {D: cottonseed hoes and leaves} # interviewer: #2 what'd you call that # top part of the barn 703: oh we'd go up there and play but I can't think of what we called it interviewer: did you ever hear any place that you stored grain did you ever have a building where you stored grain 703: nothing much except uh barn for the corn? interviewer: if there was a um 703: and up over that's over there was a storage place where he'd put the peanuts interviewer: what did you call it? did you have a name for it? um 703: but we'd go up there and pick those peanuts off they'd pick uh peel 'em dry 'em and and then when we wanted to pa- have parched peanuts to eat we'd go up there and pick 'em off and great big pan of 'em take 'em to the house and mom would parch 'em for us and we'd eat 'em interviewer: did you uh grow your own hay for the cows? 703: oh yeah my daddy did he grew lots of hay interviewer: when he got too much and he had to leave it outside what'd you call it when you put it in that big pile 703: he never did because it would rot here in this climate interviewer: oh really 703: it was all put in the barn interviewer: if you ever saw it what'd you call it if you ever saw it out in the field that way it'd be pile 703: I saw that when we went out west to Idaho they'd just interviewer: what do you 703: #1 they just # interviewer: #2 call that # 703: piled it up outside but I don't know why they had just a great big pile they had gotten at that time till a bale of hay and they put those bales in a great big pile and left it on the outside but papa never had any hay baler he just had the cutter to cut it down and a rake to rake it up and he b- had a hay barn specially for that interviewer: um talking about hay what would be um would you have a name for anything like a with um say four poles or a sliding roof did you ever have anything that might want call 'em a hay barrack or anything like that ever heard anything like that um 703: I don't remember that we did interviewer: #1 and hay time # 703: #2 they'd take # they'd take pi- loft is what they call that interviewer: oh yeah 703: a loft well uh that puts the peanuts in the loft over the corn interviewer: mm-hmm 703: barn and then they put the uh uh hay up in the loft and then had one big barn that they'd just fill full of that and then one was in the loft over the stables where they kept the horses and #1 mules # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: and uh they'd take a pitchfork and pitch that hay down for interviewer: did you have any place where you kept the cows? when you got ready to milk 'em 703: oh #1 yes it # interviewer: #2 what'd you call that place # 703: stalls interviewer: okay #1 um # 703: #2 cow stalls # were on each side uh of the barn that where the cow feed #1 box # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # um if you were in the field at haying time and when you cut the hay um what did you do with it what'd you say that you did with it you what 703: when they cut the hay interviewer: yeah 703: well they left it to dry for as long as it took it to to dry where it #1 wouldn't # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: mold or anything and then they raked it up with a uh machinery called a rake pulled by horses or mules and raked it up into kind of a windrow and then they picked it up interviewer: you called it a windrow? 703: uh-huh raked it up into kind of a windrow and then they'd go along #1 with # interviewer: #2 what's a # windrow? 703: well it's just like if I had hay here and hay here and I'd rake it up into a pile and just make a straight row of it #1 they'd go along behind with the # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: wagon with a great {C: interviewer coughing} big uh bar- top to it like they c- s- taking cotton to the mill cotton to the gin interviewer: mm-hmm 703: and put that hay in that pick it up with a pi- pitchfork interviewer: did you um where people uh used to keep their milk and butter before the days of refrigeration what did they call that place? 703: well my mother had a special little milk closet in her kitchen for when it was cold that she just kept it in there interviewer: mm-hmm 703: and uh then in the summer time now this is after I was several years old uh there was that hallway between the kitchen and the s- store and my father had a pan made out of some kind of metal great big pan interviewer: Mm-hmm. 703: and about so high and she'd sit those crocks of milk out into that and put a cloth over and put water all around fill that uh pan full of cold water out the well and then she'd sit those that crocks of milk in that and she'd put a cloth over it and and that uh it'd evaporate the the cloth'd take up the water and the wind and all would evaporate it and help to keep the milk cool and I have known to like uh when it'd be so hot why she'd had a milk cooler and she'd take it and uh put it on a rope fill it full of warm milk they'd milked that morning and put it down and just to the edge of the water and then take it out for supper and it'd be so nice and cool a whole gallon and boy it would be drank up in no time at all gosh interviewer: mm-hmm uh in raising cotton um tell me about the work that they did in the cotton fields 703: well first they plowed it up made it up into rows and then they would take put a plow right down through the middle of that row and they ha- papa had a cotton planter what he called a cotton planter and put seeds in that planter and just go along and and the planter'd put out the seeds like a- like he wanted it set it to put out as close together as they wanted the seeds sowed interviewer: mm-hmm 703: and uh then they'd have it covered up and then when the cotton would come up why where it was too thick then they'd hands'd g- he'd have hands go in there uh and uh chop the cotton I believe they called it interviewer: Mm-hmm. 703: but thin it anyway interviewer: now if they've got uh plants in there that they didn't want besides cotton what'd they do? 703: well that's when they worked it and cho- either by plow or by hand and cut it out of the hole just like they chopped in between these when it's too thick and they #1 chop # interviewer: #2 do # they have any name for that grass that got in there in the cotton fields when they didn't want it 703: mostly crab grass interviewer: um what kind of fences were ar- around um yards and gardens what were the names of some of the different kinds 703: I can't remember what kinds interviewer: if it 703: #1 I I think when papa and mama first # interviewer: #2 was made out of wood what would you # 703: bought that home that I was telling you about where he had bought so much acreage uh I I think that it uh that it just had a plain fence painted white around it just about so wide all around it and then later they had a wire fence put around it and later they had tore this old colonial home down after the children were all gone married and gone or go- at least left home and they built them a new house modern and they had all the conveniences by that time there was roads in the country and they had all the conveniences they had uh electric lights and they had uh they uh hot water heater bathroom in the house all the conveniences a city has interviewer: to keep the cows from getting out of the field what kind of fences did you use? 703: well back when mama's father my aunt and my father had some of 'em they had rail fences that went like this you know and uh uh but my father replaced 'em with wire fences just fast as he could interviewer: now what kind of wire was that {D: where he use} 703: well I don't know it it was just wire #1 fencing # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: and he'd put uh this barbed wire up on top of that on the posts to keep cows any kind of animal from jumping #1 in # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: that wanted to jump cause there are cows that would jump and there were horses mules or or hor- mules that would jump interviewer: what did you call that area that you kept them in did you call it fields or did you have did you call it something else where you kept the animals? 703: c- called it a barn loft interviewer: and then 703: and stables #1 and they'd be stabled at night # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: #1 they'd work in the fields # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: in daytime in the s- especially during the growing season and they'd bring 'em in the men would and water 'em and take 'em to their stable and feed 'em and they'd stay in there all night and then #1 get 'em out # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: next morning harness 'em up and take 'em to the field again #1 and the # interviewer: #2 um # 703: cows we had stables for the we had stalls we called it for them and and uh interviewer: what'd 703: #1 they'd stay in there # interviewer: #2 you call the uh # 703: all night when it was cold interviewer: what'd you call the fence that was made of a loose rock or stones 703: we never had interviewer: did you never had any of these um 703: uh-uh interviewer: that you might remove from the field when you make a fence 703: no interviewer: what would you c- you did you ever know what they were called 703: no interviewer: um when you set up the barbed wire fence you had to dig holes for the uh 703: well he had to have posts to to nail with staples to nail at first wire fence it was about four feet high and then the posts'd be high enough that they'd take these de- same staples #1 and # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: staple that barbed wire about two f- rows of it #1 up above that # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # now what did you you said you had a well what did you carry the water in? 703: #1 well we # interviewer: #2 to the # house what'd you carry it in? 703: had galvanized buckets to carry it in and mama always kept a cedar bucket #1 for # interviewer: #2 so you had a # wooden one too didn't you 703: for the that was the water bucket that we'd drink out of interviewer: uh what about the one for for milk? what'd you carry the milk in did you have a different 703: they were those uh metal interviewer: mm-hmm 703: bucket I had aluminum #1 and that # interviewer: #2 what was the # 703: #1 after # interviewer: #2 container # 703: I was married I had aluminum buckets interviewer: what was the container that you carried the food to the pigs in what'd you call that? 703: well they were just big old cans metal cans interviewer: what'd you say you were going to do when you were going out to feed the pigs go 703: slop the hogs interviewer: did you ever call it uh a slop bucket or anything like that 703: probably papa did slop bucket and {NS} he'd mix bran and and uh I was trying to tell your father Sunday about the ma- putting lye it was he'd take a can of merry wa- merry war lye they called it and I said he put potash well it's the same thing #1 but # interviewer: #2 what's potash? # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: well it's the same thing as merry war lye it's white #1 crystal stuff # interviewer: #2 oh # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: and he'd pour {C: bump} part of a can of that #1 in his # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: feed for the ho- hog feed every once in a while and your father agreed that it was good to keep the worms off 'em interviewer: um what did you fry the eggs in? something like that over the old wood stove what did you fry 'em in 703: great big skillet I've got one now that's over a hundred years old it was older than my father mama gave to me it when sh- after my father passed away and uh I asked her she had two or three of 'em uh one was steel but this is iron and uh I said m- mama I want you to give me one of those and and she said I guess you'd rather have the one that's so old it's older than {D: electrical} father and I said yes I have and I have it in my {D: kitchen} interviewer: um did you ever have any little thing to keep the the flowers in in the house 703: flour that you make biscuit interviewer: no no no the uh the pretty things 703: mama never kept any in the house she had some in the yard but she never kept any like I do in the house interviewer: where do you keep them in? 703: what do I #1 keep them in? # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # what do you call that that you keep them in? 703: well I k- interviewer: that little container 703: some are are just ordinary clay pots and some are are wooden interviewer: but for the cut ones the cut flowers what do you put the cut flowers in 703: oh why vases interviewer: mm-hmm and um 703: like that right there #1 {D: kind of bigger tree for Christmas} # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # um in the kitchen 703: now mama did have geraniums she grew 'em I said she didn't grow flowers except in the yard she did she loved geraniums and she'd had a lot of geraniums and she'd have 'em sit on the front porch in the summer time and I where she put 'em winter I don't remember interviewer: mm-hmm when you went in the kitchen and you turn on the water you say you turned on the what do you call that that it comes out of 703: {D: tap} faucet interviewer: outside do you have a different name for it? where the water comes out from the house 703: do we? interviewer: I don't know 703: {D: I'm but} they're all called #1 faucets # interviewer: #2 faucets # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # uh oh when you went people used to buy their flour and it came in a what did it come in 703: that's what I thought you were #1 saying to me a while ago # interviewer: #2 yeah what did it # come in 703: papa bought it by the barrel interviewer: and a new and 703: mama had a great big old interviewer: what did molasses 703: #1 tray # interviewer: #2 come in # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: that she made up her biscuits in I'd give anything to have it now and she made up her biscuits in that it was an oval #1 shaped tray # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: kinda deep and she had to m- she'd make two g- great big pans of biscuits and put in that big up and she really could make good ones interviewer: now molasses they didn't come in a barrel they came in a what 703: well papa had bought uh that that sugar cane molasses in small barrels or kegs because uh it would la- in the winter time it would last a long time and my mother liked it so much she didn't care for sorghum or anything like that much but she did like that sugar cane that came from around New Orleans and uh he'd he'd buy a small keg of of that it wouldn't be as big as the flour but interviewer: if um what about the lard what did it come in? 703: well they made lots of their lard when they killed their hogs and put 'em up interviewer: #1 but if you went to the # 703: #2 in salt # interviewer: store what did it come in? 703: come in in buckets we called it with a lid interviewer: if uh you were gonna pour salt you could take a you were gonna pour some salt into say your your salt shaker and you you take a piece of paper and you could roll it into 703: #1 cone # interviewer: #2 a cone # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # smaller shape and did you have any other name that you called for one of those little things that you maybe use it in canning that you would uh put in a jar so that you would get something in there easier 703: funnel interviewer: uh oh the uh if you bought fruit at the store the grocer might put put it in a uh what would he put it in for you to take home now what would you put it in 703: nowadays? well they just put it in bags #1 now just paper bags # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: but when I was at home papa would when he'd come to town he'd bring back a whole stalk of bananas hang 'em up out there on the back porch and we'd eat 'em just go get 'em and eat 'em so long as they lasted any time we wanted and he'd br- and uh they raised lots of fruit at home that they'd put up in barrels the apples {NS} as long as they lasted in the fall interviewer: what did fifty pounds of flour come in? 703: barrel interviewer: what about uh 703: I don't know whether it's fifty pounds or not but he'd buy a great barrel about this high interviewer: what about uh sugar how was it packaged? a large quantity of sugar 703: it was in a barrel too at first interviewer: and then later what did what was it in 703: well later it was in packages #1 like we buy now but # interviewer: #2 it would was it # any of those cloth things? 703: the well now uh later in life when uh when one ni- {D: so many there for mama to cook for her} he'd buy the uh flour in a fifty po- twenty-five fifty pound bag it was cloth and the meal too when the corn had run out and he didn't have corn any more to take to the mill and then the- that's it my father quit farming so when he wasn't so old he quit the farming business all together and raised stock and built a big slaughter pen slaughterhouse and that's when I said he sold me out here to the A M and N college and different places here in town interviewer: um what 703: #1 but # interviewer: #2 did # 703: he always raised stock you know I've told you about him going down into the bottom and killing the hogs and taking 'em across the creek on #1 that little # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: mule interviewer: what did the uh potatoes come in how were they shipped 703: Irish potatoes? interviewer: I don't #1 uh # 703: #2 sweet potatoes # #1 he it # interviewer: #2 # 703: #1 they raised their own sweet potatoes and sold lots of 'em # interviewer: #2 potatoes if you didn't # what were they shipped in at the stores were they shipped to y'all no 703: no interviewer: um well what do you call that um that rough cloth sack that the the you know just used for all kinds of things put things in and potatoes came in it sometimes 703: they call it gunny sacks #1 now but that's # interviewer: #2 yeah # 703: not the right thing what they called it then interviewer: what other names did you call it do you know the names? 703: yeah sure the name but I can't think tow sack tow sack get a tow sack and go get so and so or uh buy something in a tow sack interviewer: well what about uh the amount of wood you could carry in your uh arms what'd you call that? just that much 703: we didn't have anything #1 I mean we were just carrying # interviewer: #2 you didn't have anything # 703: what we could interviewer: uh would you say something like an armload or 703: #1 an armload # interviewer: #2 yeah # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 703: #1 of wood # interviewer: #2 um # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # if you were going to the mill to grind the uh corn taken to the mill at one time what would you call it do you remember any name for that they were taking a 703: no my father would always do that and grind all of it he was so particular not to get one rotten grain or anything in it and take it to the mill grist mill they called the mill and uh have it ground and uh I don't know what he'd bring it back in some kind of a sack or bag I guess he'd take well he might have taken it in a have to be a clean tow sack maybe he might take it in one of those flour sacks or something interviewer: um 703: I just don't remember interviewer: before electricity what type of lights did you what kind of lighting did you have at home 703: my parents' home? interviewer: mm-hmm 703: we first had just the kerosene lamps and then next he had a carbon light put in the in their rooms and he was the only one in the community that did and they made light all over the room kinda like a the electricity does but it wasn't really uh and the type of carbon was something I forgot just exactly what they did call it that he had put down it dropped down from the ceiling uh kind of a rod and then they lit it and mama had a little a stove like that she could warm or heat up something on without having to heat up the whole big range that she had in her kitchen interviewer: and um when you um {D: uh if you've been married} what do the nails come in? or they 703: #1 kegs # interviewer: #2 used to come in # 703: #1 # interviewer: #2 # okay 703: 'fore I married and afterwards interviewer: uh and when you used to go take the clothes out to the line what did you take 'em out in? or what did maybe you still take 'em out to the line what do you take 'em out in? what did people take 'em out in a long time ago? 703: I think we just took 'em in a tub when {X} when I was at home and after I moved here before I got me a a dryer why uh I'd take 'em in a basket interviewer: um what ran around the barrel to hold the staves into place? what did you call that 703: well it was a band of some kind of metal but I don't know what you called that special metal interviewer: oh stopper for a bottle that you put in the top of a bottle sometimes sometimes they used 'em in a well they now come in uh wine bottles so what what do you call that stopper 703: oh just {D: a slab} interviewer: #1 uh # 703: #2 {X} # interviewer: #1 # 703: #2 # interviewer: the musical instrument that children playing it was held like this 703: #1 harp # interviewer: #2 what did you # is that what you used to call that 703: French harp interviewer: uh-huh and um you pounded nails with what'd you call that 703: hammer interviewer: and the wagon and the two horses and a long wooden piece between the horse was the 703: {D: oh that's not math} I can't remember what that was they were hitched up with these two things o- one mule or horse between this oh it's a wagon tongue it went down #1 between 'em # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 703: but I can't think what those things they were hitched to by interviewer: uh 703: and a buggy is same the buggy had #1 had that # interviewer: #2 yeah # 703: hitch behind it to hold a horse interviewer: you had the backing in between the what the horses on a buggy 703: had what interviewer: you backed him in between you backed the horses in between what to to to hitch 'em up 703: oh that's what I said my husband walked through to keep 'em or but that {D: that chum falling in it} maybe getting down in that mud and breaking those one of those what was it do you know? #1 back 'em # interviewer: #2 um # 703: in between that and hitch 'em up in between those two pole like things and that was fastened some way to the horses but there was a name for those things interviewer: what about the parts of the of the wheel of the wagon wheel you start with the inside that's the hub then the spokes 703: #1 and the outside # interviewer: #2 and that went into # the 703: outside they c- rim interviewer: okay 703: rim of metal interviewer: on the buggy the the thing the traces come back to in order to hook on is called a but on a wagon that piece that comes back 703: that's called a wagon tongue the thing that goes between the hor- the mules or horses interviewer: the bar w- 703: #1 but and # interviewer: #2 {X} # 703: and then the things behind 'em that #1 holds it it's # interviewer: #2 that hook on # 703: traces aren't they? interviewer: A-huh and then when you have two horses and each one has a singletree then what do you call the thing that both of 'em are hitched to in order to keep the horses together? 703: I know there's singletree behind each one of 'em and and then {C: windows beep?} it was hooked to the wagon some way but I don't know what you call it