Interviewer: How you been? 748: Well I'm just about as well as you'd expect out of me {NS} Told my doctor a couple times I'm not looking to get sixteen no more {NW} Interviewer: You doing okay? 748: Bout as well as you'd expect out of me with my age and my issues Interviewer: {NS} Yeah? Um {NS} What kind of day would you say we're having? 748: What's that? Day? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Today? Well I say it's gonna be a pretty day today {NS} Today And tomorrow maybe Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And then Interviewer: {NS} Yeah 748: Sun's shining now, you know {NS} Everything's pretty good Interviewer: {NS} Yeah {NS} Y'all have weather like this a lot of the time? 748: What's that? Interviewer: You get weather like this a lot of the time? 748: Well Sometimes, sometime it I have known just rain, rain, rain and rain and rain and I've known it to just get dry and dry and dry and dry {NS} But um, you have Interviewer: You say they're having a what, I'm having a What are they having? 748: What? Interviewer: What are y'all having here? 748: Oh I said that uh About the weather I said that uh They said it's gonna be pretty tomorrow, and {NS} Day after 'morrow Uh Now I'll tell you Wildlife I have seen In Union County, Arkansas Interviewer: Yes sir 748: Where I were born in eighteen hundred and ninety-two We got rabbits Rabbits, you know, they jump about Jump about, and they good to eat Interviewer: Mm-hmm 748: We, we eat them And then we have squirrels, squirrels play on trees, run around, and then we have them to eat Interviewer: What kind of squirrel you got? 748: Well we have both We call it a cat squirrel and a fox squirrel, a little squirrel and a big squirrel But the fox squirrel is a bro- is a brown squirrel Cat squirrel is more, more or less a gray, uh gray, he's a smaller squirrel Interviewer: You got that little thing that runs around the ground? Looks like a squirrel 748: What's that? Interviewer: You got that little thing that runs around the ground Looks like a squirrel maybe, but it doesn't have a tail? #1 Can't climb a tree? # 748: #2 Yes uh # You talking about, in in the ground? Interviewer: Well Uh yeah, it nests in in in the ground I guess 748: Well we got a mole He roots under the ground Interviewer: Got a gopher? 748: He just roots under the ground, and Eats underground, and and eat your, c- eat your peanuts and things up, if you don't stop him We got a salamander, that do the same thing he uh where he do He'll do it under the ground but he up, cut him a hole and cut And bring that dirt out and pile it up And um Cut him a little bump, lump Bring it up and pile it up And they'll cut holes under ditches and things, make water, ditches under, um Uh Ditches run under our b- ditches, no I mean uh I mean uh now uh In other words they cut holes under our ditches Make gutters Interviewer: Ditches? 748: Yeah, yeah just uh just run through on it, ju- cover, you have a ditch Somewhere, you know Interviewer: What's that for? 748: Well a ditch is Takes water and run it Turn water any way you want it Interviewer: You say you're doing what with a 748: #1 Well you see with a # Interviewer: #2 Ditch # 748: Ditch, you know, if you gonna, got a, got a place you want to keep so much water out of Well you just cut you a ditch You see Interviewer: #1 Yes # 748: #2 Have water around the # Right on down that ditch, now around there, and won't know, know where that ditch went Interviewer: #1 A ditch is # 748: #2 {X} # Interviewer: A ditch is for 748: Ditch is for protection, you see, to keep water from running over Interviewer: For drink-, for 748: Oh, oh our, oh our vegetables and things so bad Why we got 'em That's what it's for Interviewer: Yes sir 748: Alright Now squirrels And rabbits, they eat on, they just eat on grass, and put some Things, and potatoes, thing every did you, they'll eat up your Your vegetables if you don't stop 'em Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Your cabbages, collards, and things like that Taters, every- I mean taters, on top of the ground That's what rabbits do. Now squirrels He eats um, more or less um {X} They grow on trees They eat um Some kind of a pecan They're eating {D: all your} pecans {NW} Get them up {NS} And uh They'll come in your cornfield, your corn Uh before it gets hardly And uh Get up that, stomp on your corn stalks and eat your corn up Squirrels'll do that Alright, we got possums Now possum It's a kind of a grayer back Something, little bigger than a cat And possums, we eat them, they, possums are good eating But I tell you one thing about a possum {D: until I think about it} Why Catch you a possum And um Put him up Feed him a little bit and clean him out, I'll tell you mean why They'll go up on ol' dead carcasses and anything eat See? Just any ol' thing That's what possums Alright, coons A coon uh He feeds on Uh Vegetation Your corn Things like that that he can get to and he And uh They can run up trees I have caught 'em That they kill 'em up trees, you know And um We take both coon, take a coon and skin it Little coon hide We stretch it right In the right kind of year, you sell it and get money on it We have minks Minks is a little old Dark something, he run around and on like Stay around wet places Cut into places back up on the dirt bank Where that fur Oh that, oh you can use that fur as a fur, you know That that, that mink fur That's good, that's that that that's an expensive hide, you get a good Get a mink And stretch it hide right At the right time, you can get a good price for it Interviewer: Them kinda things that come and raid your chicken nest 748: Well um Minks um Uh Let's see Interviewer: You got a lot of things that'll raid your chicken nest, mister {B}? 748: What's that? Interviewer: You got a lot of things that raid your chicken nest all the time? 748: {D: Things that rai- raisin?} Interviewer: Raid your chicken nest, go in your chicken nest 748: Yeah, got things here what'll go in your chicken nest and get your eggs out of there now, tell you what'll do that Interviewer: Just a lot of 748: Snakes'll do that Snakes Crawl up in them egg, in that nest Just swallow them eggs Swallow them egg {NW} Swallow 'em Interviewer: They'll take an egg #1 And # 748: #2 Well # Just, they they swallow the whole egg now, listen Then they writhe around some and bust that egg to pieces Up in they belly That's what snakes Interviewer: I don't see how they can It's so big, how can they 748: Well you see, uh, that is, they, you know, a little snake couldn't swallow an egg, but a good big snake, I'm talking about a big snake We have chicken snakes, what we call chicken snakes Sometimes I've seen 'em Uh seven Maybe s- six, seven foot long Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 Great # Big one Interviewer: They go right up to the egg and 748: Well yes, go down, crawl up there and crawl in they Get in there and crawl around that ol' hen and get them eggs Interviewer: #1 And # 748: #2 Got # Ol' hen, if the ol' hen ain't On there, if she ain't just get in on that to get 'em in there Interviewer: And they'll They go up to the egg and 748: Well they'd swallow the egg Interviewer: Swallow it? 748: Get, they get the egg and get it out, then they'll break it Take that egg out of the nest when they big enough And swallow that whole egg When they swallow that whole egg Then how they Get it in their stomach, after they get their stomach They can wrap around some and bust that egg And um We have a Snake, another kind of a snake called a coachwhip That's a long snake, he's a, he he he he he's not supposed to be a real dangerous, poison snake But that snake I've seen him grow seven, eight Feet long That A coachwhip Can {NW} Clumb up, that is if you walk by a tree or something, he can stand up By a little bush or something And see, get a Look, and he long {X} They have a speckled {D: lung} Snake He's a Uh Kind of a Black And white speckled Interviewer: Have you got that, uh Now a lot of things that might come and raid your hen house and just generally 748: Well I'll tell you what'll raid your hen house, your possums, possums'll raid your hen house Interviewer: Yeah, you say, you might hear a 748: Yeah yeah yeah your chickens out there, you go out there and sometimes a possum's out there Interviewer: Yeah, you might say Whatever that thing is I'm gonna go out and kill that I'm gonna get me a gun and go out and kill that 748: Well Interviewer: All those things that that bother you #1 You know # 748: #2 You hear you hear # When you hear your chicken Something in your chickens You get your gun, go out there, I've went out there a lot of times, an ol' possum be in the hen house With the chicken Got to kill him, get him out of there, don't he'll kill it, kill some of your chickens Kill him some and eat 'em up #1 Um # Interviewer: #2 Uh # All them things that that just cause you misery and Rai- and raid your henhouse and eat your crops and things like that, you call them 748: Yeah you see, things I told you what we call possums'll eat your crop up I mean I mean coons'll eat it up Interviewer: Yeah 748: And squirrels'll eat 'em up Interviewer: Just a lot of var- uh 748: And that you got uh Vegetables and things like that and corn and things like that You when you raise corn it'll come in for roasting, you, that's when you eat it Come in and roasting it, that's why Uh When it gets hard And squirrels'll go up that That stalk, they'll go up that stalk and And and {NW} {C: squirrel noises} They'll get that Uh shuck down on that stalk I mean on that corn when you eat it Mm get down it and eat 'em up I've killed 'em in 'em Interviewer: At the top of the corn stalk is the 748: Well the co- yeah the to- top of a corn stalk is a ta- tassel, tossel I tell you what that tossel's for, they tell me and I, well I take Just like a bloom Uh and that whatever that is fall off of that bloom, you see All over that bloom down in that silk, corn got silks on it Just fall down in that, in it, that's where it gets its food {NS} {NW} Uh I've seen uh I've never seen no wild deer There's some here, there're plenty around here but I haven't seen 'em Deers And um #1 When you got a # Interviewer: #2 When you # Now all them things that bother ya, and You just call them var- uh var- Just a lotta Varm-? 748: Varmints? Yeah varmints #1 Varmints, they wild # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 748: Varmints, you know? And uh Interviewer: #1 What about # 748: #2 Uh # Know what else, they They'll, they head, do the dig down, come out That is they uh, and they, well you can't see 'em Some of 'em'll come out at night Interviewer: Yeah #1 Uh # 748: #2 Some # Of 'em in the day time Interviewer: Are they big things? 748: Well they're different sizes Different size. Coon A a big, a gro- big grown coon he'll grow up about that high {D: Possum about the same way, a squirrel is a little booger} See Interviewer: What about a chicken mouse? One of them mouses that'll kill chickens or something like that, is that a varmint? 748: Well I'll tell ya, a mouse is a varmint alright but he won't kill your chickens A mouse'll just Cut holes in your house and just cut all around Get in your house and cut your clothes up and everything else Interviewer: Hmm 748: Get in your corn Crib Get in there and cut your, and he and and and he'll eat your corn up Get your potato out Eat your potatoes up That's what a mouse will do And then, the- the- there's two, there's a mouse and then there's a wharf rat A mouse is a little bigger He'll do, and and a wharf rat He'll do the same thing, but he's a bigger thing See? He's a bigger thing Interviewer: Have you got that kind of bird that can see in the dark? 748: Well um We have what we call um Interviewer: {NW} {C: Hoo hoo} One that goes #1 Like that? # 748: #2 Yeah we # We have them whip-poor-wills, you know now they whoop A whip-poor-will, no I don't, I guess they can see in the dark Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 I don't # Know about So much about Interviewer: You got the one that goes {NW} {C: Hoo hoo} 748: Well that's an owl O- ol' owl, you know Ole owl, you know, yeah he can see in the dark Interviewer: What kind you got? 748: Well that's a big old bird, great big old scoundrel #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 I mean what # Kind of owl 748: Well, we just call 'em hooping owls, all I'd ever known to call 'em, hooping owl Interviewer: You ever heard that little one? 748: Yeah, I assume, they they just Hoop, you know when they small they hoop they don't get as loud but when they get bigger they hoop louder Interviewer: Yeah You ever heard that big one that, I mean the little one that goes {NW} {C: Screech owl noise} Like that all the time? 748: Well I'll tell you what about that, we got a flying squirrel Those do that, make that racket, I know Interviewer: #1 Screech owl? # 748: #2 That # Flying squirrel Interviewer: Yeah? 748: A flying squirrel And uh Interviewer: You got a screech owl? #1 Screech owl? # 748: #2 And # And and he will uh Flying squirrel now, he'll make that racket too He just flies from tree to tree From tree to tree at night And um Different kind of snakes now, I never got through them snakes Interviewer: Have you ever gotten snake 748: We got different kind of snakes #1 I never # Interviewer: #2 Have you ever # Have you ever gotten snake You know, gotten, had a snake come after you and gotten 748: Come after you and run you? Interviewer: Have you ever gotten snake Bit, uh 748: Snakebit? Interviewer: Yeah 748: I haven't been snakebit but I know folks that have and I tell you what We got a rattlesnake That snake is a Is a light brown And dark spotted Interviewer: Yeah I know about them 748: He got rattles on his tail Little things in the in the tail, if you if you you catch one, if you kill one As many rattles as is on that tail that's many years he is old You've got two rattles you got two years old, if he got ten you got ten years old Interviewer: What if you've got one rattle? 748: Well if you got one you just got, he's just one years old Rattlesnake Now a rattlesnake if you, you get close Turn, disturb him Uh he'll rattle at you now You have that you better get out of the way Better get out of the way Cause that scoundrel's bad, he's dangerous We got a rattlesnake {D: python} Don't have rattles on 'em With the same color Light and brown He's dangerous Interviewer: His venom is 748: He's he's dangerous I hear, he's dangerous and uh Interviewer: What do you mean they're dangerous? 748: He's poison, that's what I'm talking about, he's poison That's what {NS} {X} Interviewer: Yeah 748: Now they got what are called uh Little garter snakes Biggest thing I've known them to do, you know, just stay around kind of wet places Interviewer: Yeah 748: And uh Interviewer: Have you ever shot a deer? 748: What's that? Interviewer: Shot a deer? 748: Deer I have never seen a wild deer, never shot one There's some around though, like wild deer {NS} Some around here though Interviewer: I thought you said you had one coming after you one time? 748: A deer? Not a deer No not a deer, no not a deer, mm-mm Interviewer: Ran into the tree you were behind? 748: No, no deer, no deer ain't gonna come out here That deer what he gonna do, he see you, he gonna get out the way Interviewer: Yeah Didn't you have something come after you one time and you had hid behind a tree and it ran into the tree? 748: Ran into the tree? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Mm I don't remember nothing much Interviewer: {D: I thought I remember you telling me that story Mister Boysie} 748: Maybe I have but I done forgot it right now Maybe I'll, maybe it'll come back over my mind right now Interviewer: Okay 748: And uh We've got um What they call a s- You, I done told you about the speckled {D: lung} Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 They're not # They're not danger #1 Got a # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 748: Little old garter snake Interviewer: What kind of fish you got? 748: Fish? Well we got perch Fish Catfish Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Then we've got uh Bri- I mean um White, I mean, yeah that that white perch that's the same thing Only you, you eat a bigger thing, we call them crappies What they call white perch, or or that's crappies A catfish of course, he's got fins on him, he's got dangerous fins on him And uh He's got them on his back and Tickled by him You know they can tickle them fins and you'll get They'll tickle for you, they they're danger They hurt you I never heard one Nobody have no sick spells from one But they'll sure make a bad sore #1 Now buffalo # Interviewer: #2 Now you # 748: We got a buffalo Interviewer: Yeah 748: A buffalo well he's a Course you know when he's little he's just little but when he grows big he's just big Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 That's # Bi- Interviewer: #1 Bi- # 748: #2 Now they got a # Let me see, what other kinds of fish uh We got eel Interviewer: Yeah 748: I tell you what eel is, eel is a thing He's slicker but he's made like a snake Interviewer: Yeah? 748: He don't have no, don't have no, don't have no um Nothing to claw with, they don't have nothing to claw nothing to get, not an eel Interviewer: Yeah? Talking about that eel, would you say you're scared of eels or #1 You # 748: #2 No you're # Scared of no eels Catch them scoundrels, eat 'em up Interviewer: {D: Joubles?} {D: Jouble something} 748: That eel, good to eat the skin Clean 'em up, skin that hide and they good to eat But we got a lamp eel, now listen Check another kind of eel, a lamp eel, he have legs Now that uh that that that that that that that that uh that one Why is a We don't eat them They're not good eating They say they're poison, I haven't ever known nobody to eat one Interviewer: Yeah Have you got that kind of black and white animal that's got a real powerful smell to it? 748: What's that? Interviewer: That black and white animal that's got a real powerful smell to it 748: Well um Black and white animal Interviewer: He's always smelling up the place, you know? 748: #1 I don't know # Interviewer: #2 You ever get him to # Squirt on you, boy you in a mess 748: They squirt Interviewer: Yeah You know they find 'em out in the road Smelling up the road 748: Well I'll tell ya I've tried to think about what that is now, I reckon Interviewer: Sometime's it'd break into your chicken house 748: There's a cat, I think they call 'em polecat Interviewer: Polecat? #1 Now what about uh # 748: #2 Now and and # They'll, they'll make a racket I mean uh That ol' saying said they'll, they'll make a screw out There and you best get out the way, you can't smell that stuff then {NW} Interviewer: Yeah, have you ever heard of a squirrel called a boomer? 748: No I haven't Interviewer: Okay Neighbor 1: {X} Neighbor 2: No Interviewer: Somebody up here to talk with you I think Neighbor 1: {X} 748: Mm {X} #1 {X} Come on in there, a boy # Neighbor 1: #2 {X} # Interviewer: That's who? 748: A boy, he'll be on in, gonna bring the mail Neighbor 2: Yeah I did 748: {NS} {X} Both of them {NS} Interviewer: #1 He's what? # 748: #2 Hey! # Interviewer: Um {NS} You got the, now what kind of things you got that might be around a pond? 748: Do what? Interviewer: Around a pond at night 748: Round a pond? Well I'll tell ya round a pond at night Um There'll be minks One of 'em, a mink is one of 'em And uh, let's see if I know anything else Interviewer: You hear them things that go {NW} {C: bullfrog ribbit} all the time? 748: Uh now bullfrog Interviewer: Yeah, what kind of frogs you got? 748: Well bull-, we got, di- different kind of frogs, we got a bullfrog, now bullfrog is a Uh he'll make that Uh ragged {NW} {C: bullfrog noise} But uh these little frogs don't do it, the bullfrogs now, they Folks uh catch them And sk- get the legs, you know Interviewer: {NW} 748: They good eating Interviewer: #1 Yeah, you ever eaten one? # 748: #2 {NW} # Yeah I eaten bullfrogs, good Yeah bullfrog's good We got a crawfish In a fish pond we got a crawfish He's a fish that crawls around thataway and and and crooked tail up And uh there's nothing dangerous about him, he stay in the water And um Let's see Interviewer: What kind of other frogs you got? 748: Frogs? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Well I Interviewer: What about 748: A toad frog, we call a toad frog and bullfrog's all I know Interviewer: You got them little ones that come out after a rain? Neighbor 3: Like a kind of tree, uh um tree frog Little bitty in a tree, little bitty ol' {NW} Interviewer: Yeah? Neighbor 3: Sometimes you see 'em hanging upside the tree Where I come from them, that called a tree frog Interviewer: Yeah, what have you seen them? {NS} 748: Yeah I've seen them Hmm tree frog They they can go up a tree Interviewer: Mm-hmm Neighbor 3: And big old scorpion Big ol' scorpion Nothing we eat better Why they {X} Interviewer: Really? Neighbor 3: Bout that long. Now what kind of scorpion that? Now {NW} I've eat a lot of them too 748: Yeah, bark scorpion, different kind of scorpion, scorpion is Some of 'em They use the scorpion, eats boiled He won't bite you unless you Want to catch him, something like that #1 He, he don't # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 748: Try to run at you Interviewer: Yeah 748: I don't know but one snake'll lie at you A coachwhip will Interviewer: Yeah 748: A coachwhip I've hea- {NW} I've heard I've heard folks say that Way back yonder, I ain't ever seen that now They they Went to catch it And it wrapped around you know and then beat you, whooped you with the tail Now I don't know that, I ain't ever seen that A coachwhip is a long Black snake, sometime they brown tailed Sometimes the tail is brown Interviewer: Mm-hmm 748: As I said, the In Scouting Run up, I was going down a trail one time {NW} We was, a bunch of us Interviewer: {X} 748: And while we were going down that trail, there's a there's a coachwhip Run across the trail And some {D: simmon sprouts} out there And he run up You know he stood way up, one way up, long as he can, far as he can go standing on his tail But he didn't try to get us He's scared I reckon And we killed him, see Course just run up and hit it Hit it plumb the head and uh Knock him head and tooth, uh no- that is, knock him over Bring it down Interviewer: Hmm 748: We have a spreading adder snake That's a danger snake That snake He's, made made, his m- his head's just like any other snake, but listen Uh If you disturbed him, he'd spread that {NW} He'll spread that head out Just really long, spread that out That's true It's funny, big show, d- he just spread it out, you know And lick his tongue right at ya Interviewer: Yeah? You, now you know anything about seafood? You ever eat What about them things you get in shells? 748: Get 'em what? Interviewer: Get on the half shell Neighbor 3: Well well, what, what do oysters come out of? #1 {X} # 748: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Yeah, you ever had them? Neighbor 3: I've seen 'em before {NW} I don't get 'em m- Interviewer: You ever had any seafood? Neighbor 3: Haven't seen an oyster in many years Shrimps I call 'em shrimps Like a, well they look just about like a Crawfish Interviewer: Yeah, have you ever had one of them? Neighbor 3: I've eaten s- #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # Neighbor 3: {NW} I have Interviewer: Mr. {B} You ever eaten any shrimps? 748: One time, I was {X} Neighbor 3: #1 Now how they get {X} # 748: #2 {X} # Neighbor 3: #1 Shrimps and {X} # 748: #2 {X} # A place down here on the side of the road, one of these eating places, and that's That's some what they serve And we eat down there. I had never eaten on it, said, that's kinda weird, that stuff sure was good Interviewer: What? 748: {NW} Them shrimps I said Interviewer: Yeah Or oyst- uh 748: Just Squirrel tails, you know #1 I mean uh I mean uh # Neighbor 3: #2 {X} {NW} # {X} you ever seen a snail? Interviewer: Yeah Neighbor 3: Well there's about {NW} Interviewer: Yeah Have you ever seen them Mr. {B}? Them things that come in a shell? #1 Oyst- # 748: #2 Shell? # Interviewer: Oysters 748: Yeah, well I'll tell you yeah I've seen 'em A terrapin, you mean There's a terrapin and there's a turtle Interviewer: Yeah 748: A turtle's Stay more or less in the water A terrapin'll crawl around anywhere And he got, he got a big shell and #1 But # Interviewer: #2 Who # 748: Crawl on thataway and disturb him Like that, something He'll shut up there, you know Just shut it up, that's it, tight {NW} You can up too, you take that scoundrel all around, he know, he won't Interviewer: Yeah 748: Shut that mouth up, that that shell up just tight, just crawling He'll open that cr- up up when he's crawling, it's open His legs out, but when he, when he, disturbing him, draw his legs in that shell And shut up You see, shut that thing together {NW} Interviewer: Yeah S- um Well Now let me Them things that um That, you ever had any oysters? Never had them? 748: Well, I haven't, I never gonna eat some, I don't wanna buy no oysters That's that's that's kind of a, m- more or less kind of a water animal, now Interviewer: Yeah 748: Go in water Interviewer: Yeah Neighbor 3: Another, -nother, -nother thing called a Crab. Now what is that? I've never seen none of them, now. What are they called? Interviewer: Yeah Neighbor 3: Crab Interviewer: Um What do you fish with, when you fish? 748: Well, tell you what You fish with you It's different weights fish You dig deep fish you going to Take you a hole and get out and dig you some bait Them some little old earthworms Little worm Interviewer: Any different types? 748: D- different types, that's what, going around. Some of 'em Long, some of 'em not, then we got one kind of earthworm is a He's a little old, kind of um, I forget the name of him but uh He just do thataway all the time #1 He's little but he # Interviewer: #2 Night # 748: Put him in the water and and he do thataway 'til fish are gone to get that And these other big ones, bigger ones, you see you get your hook And just put him on your hook Down your hook, you see And Fish'll bite that So that's, that's the kind of worm. Now another thing Pull fish with sometimes, pull fish with what they call catawba worms That's a worm that uh Grew up, we got a tree here Interviewer: Catawba tree 748: Catawba tree Interviewer: Yeah 748: And I tell you what them worms'll do There there's a, there's an insect, I don't know what them now, the lined Some kind of a fly lay eggs now Have, have to get that summer there, and then they hatch They're growing growing growing, they'll just eat the leaves off the trees Great big trees, if you don't get 'em off there, get 'em off now Them good, the- them them them kinda ones catawba That's a good thing to fish it with Catawba worm Interviewer: Now What kind of insects, what might fly around the light at night? 748: Well I'll tell you what we got, we got, we got a candle fly Now that's a kind of fly that I call now, about all I know, that he flies around that light Though cause acting like that thing out there and he Light, and they just love it. Interviewer: Miller? 748: Just flying around, little old, kind of a fly, you know, he's small Some of 'em How they could str- stretch his wing out, anywhere from Oh I say from Quarter of an inch to To maybe an inch or two inch they get, I've seen 'em That can and a Butterfly now, butterfly He don't fly around at night. Butterfly, he don't Fly, he he's still here, he eats during the daytime Butterfly Interviewer: What about that, that insect that'll eat your clothes up? 748: Well that insect that'll eat your clothes up, that's a Uh Interviewer: You gotta put them balls in your clothes 748: Well, I tell you what I'm trying to think about it's called But um Interviewer: Something balls, moth? 748: That's right, mothballs. I know what What it, but I can't think of the name of the thing now that it'll, it'll, it'll get to your clothes, eat 'em up Interviewer: What's that, what other thing? Moth? 748: Mm moth, they ain't they ain't a moth, it's a little old, little old insect, little old uh Interviewer: D- do you know what a moth is? 748: Hmm-mm Anyhow, them things'll eat your clothes up if you don't get 'em off Interviewer: Yeah 748: Get 'em out And um, we got a Ant Interviewer: Yeah, we used to Now we used to catch this one thing in a jar at night 748: Catch what? Interviewer: Catch these insects in a jar at night 748: Well yeah, I Interviewer: And they'd fly around the jar and 748: Well that's, see, what else do you, where'd you see, don't know way you've Interviewer: Did you ever see them? 748: I've seen them, I have Interviewer: They'd light up 748: I've seen, oh, lightning bug Yeah that's a lightning bug They light up, you know, you, you can take them home with that lighting and Night cut it off And he'll, they'll do that flying Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 You'll see 'em # Flying around And uh, old lightning bug, you know {NW} {C: lightning bug noise} They light, they c- light, light light and boom That's a lightning bug Interviewer: Uh yeah Now Sometimes when you'd be fishing with a cane pole This, this thing'd come and land, maybe on the end of your pole You ever see them? 748: Do what? Interviewer: Some-, sometimes when you're fishing with a cane pole at a lake This thing, this kind of thing would come and land on the end of your pole That, you know, they had big old #1 Eyes # 748: #2 Uh # Um #1 I've I've had, I've had {X} # Interviewer: #2 And and transparent wings # 748: I forget the name of them things now but They sure do, they got, kinda wings, and fly Interviewer: Yeah 748: But I can't think, can't call the name of it #1 Right now # Interviewer: #2 Darts around # Some-, when people saw it, some folks said that there was a snake nearby Neighbor 3: #1 {X} # 748: #2 Well # Neighbor 3: I've been calling them uh {X} 748: #1 Sometimes {X}, sometime maybe not # Neighbor 3: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Mosquito hawk, or snake doctor? Neighbor 3: Hmm {X} 748: I've heard of snake doctors, I didn't, I ain't seen one to #1 Know it, known, to know they're snake doctors # Neighbor 3: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Yeah? 748: I've seen Interviewer: Yeah? Uh well, what kind of stinging insects you know about? 748: What's that? Interviewer: What kind of stinging 748: Oh, we've got yellow jackets Interviewer: Where do they nest? 748: Well a yellow jacket More or less They make their hole, makes makes makes them a hole in the ground Lay they eggs and hatch 'em Make little yellow jackets, next time'll be Another thing, I tell you what And you disturb a nest, now You better get out of the way For them bugs'll sure sting Tell you another thing we got that'll sting you Is a, is a bee A a honey bee now, a honey bee, now he'll sting you too But he'll, he'll out there, he with that honey, he'll, he gonna make honey Now they make honey, go around them And and, gather 'em up some little web or some little old planks and things like that. He makes him a comb Well when he makes them combs, you see The two things he can do with that comb He lay his eggs in there, for one thing The next thing he do He go around To the flowers and things like that, you know This flower and that flower, that flower, that flower, that flower, you know And gather up that stuff they make honey out of And he put that in there In that comb That's what you call honey of the comb and you get that, it's good too Then we'll have a A bumblebee Uh, he'll cut holes in, in uh timber and things like that. And uh That bee will uh He will uh Interviewer: You got them things that'll Put a nest of kind of mud up on the side of your house? 748: Sure, dirt daubers Dirt daubers, dirt daubers do that, see Interviewer: Yeah {NS} 748: Old dirt dauber you know, he More than one thing he can do with his When he when he make, make them combs up on top and make 'em so And it's made out of clay Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And uh Sometime he Lay his eggs and then hatch little ones in there, sometimes Sometimes he, he get out and catch different kind of things that he want to eat later And store 'em in there You see Kinda like uh Ole {NW} Ole saying says uh Ole dirt dauber you know, he He prepare for his, he prepare for ahead, you know Save him some of it for his, store it up some Wise enough to store his food Neighbor 3: Have you got a rake that I can use for a little while on? 748: Rake? Neighbor 3: #1 Get home # 748: #2 What are you gonna do with a rake? # Neighbor 3: Well, handle gotta go back 748: Huh? Neighbor 3: Well handle gotta go by the man 748: When it, when are you gonna do that? Neighbor 3: I wanna just rake 'em up To the halfway point 748: For digging? Neighbor 3: Need a rake, rake 748: Yeah I got a yard rake Neighbor 3: {X} 748: Huh? That what you want? Neighbor 3: Yeah 748: Yeah I got a yard rake out there Oh you said your yard rake handle, yeah yeah yeah yeah I got a yard rake out there #1 There in the yard # Neighbor 3: #2 I'm gonna get it # {X} raking my yard, hmm 748: #1 Now bring it back now # Neighbor 3: #2 Thank you # Okay 748: {NW} Neighbor 3: {X} {NS} 748: It's back in the back there somewhere {NS} You'll see it, hmm {NS} Interviewer: Nice to meet you sir Neighbor 3: Yeah sure Interviewer: #1 Take care of you now # Neighbor 3: #2 {X} # But a lot of your books and things {X} 748: {NS} When they hatch out Lay eggs and then they hatch out I mean they lay out, and they'll they'll get in the timber, yeah, you know, in the wood Interviewer: Yeah? You ever see the ones that, them, them flying insects that make a big nests? #1 Like # 748: #2 Yeah # Well that, I'll tell you what that is, that's what you, that's what you call a hornet Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 Tell you something else # A hornet His nest, he usually make his nest out of that web and stuff and just hang up on them Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Well now, he ain't gonna bother you, he, if you ain't been disturbing him, if get's Disturbed, you better get out there cause they they'll they'll Follow you, them sc- them scoundrels'll be so follow you across that road out there now Some of 'em will Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 748: #2 They just take out the # They got behind you And you talking about a hurt, them things sure They they sting you Interviewer: Yeah? And then the ones that'll build maybe Small paper nests on the side of your house? 748: Well um Inside the house now uh Interviewer: On the side of your house 748: Well um Ole uh Not hornets, well I'll tell you what, dirt daubers do that Interviewer: Paper nests? 748: Mm they dirt daubers'll build Things up in the side of the house {NS} Interviewer: Yeah, dirt dauber These things look a lot like dirt daubers You ever heard of a wa- uh You got any wa- 748: Wasp? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Yeah wasp, wasp, wasp, the dirt daubers If the other's like all yellow, a dirt dauber black More or less And a wasp Is a kind of a light Might say red Interviewer: You got any different types of wasps? 748: Yeah we got a what they call a guinea wasp, that's a little bitty wasp Interviewer: Yeah 748: That's a little, boy when he sting he can hurt you too Then we got a bigger wasp You see #1 That's a # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 748: That's a brown wasp Interviewer: Yeah You know Sometimes when you're out in the woods uh, these things'll 748: Well, ticks? Interviewer: Yeah, or or they raise welts on your skin 748: Well that that #1 I tell you what # Interviewer: #2 Chi- # 748: Uh Interviewer: Red 748: Red bugs, now there's red bugs Interviewer: #1 Yeah? # 748: #2 I # Red bugs never did bother me, I never knew no red bugs bother me Interviewer: What 748: And then you got, we got a little, a little bitty tick called a seed tick He'll crawl up on you Interviewer: Yeah? What about them things {NS} {C: slaps his arm} Get after you and you have to 748: What? Interviewer: You're always out with your {NS} {C: slaps arm again} Smacking 'em, and 748: Oh ye- yeah that's mosquito That's a mosquito Interviewer: Yeah 748: And he hurt you too, he's There's different now, there's different species of 'em Interviewer: Uh-huh 748: Some of 'em there's more Poison than others, but they they'll all all hurt you that away 'til, some of 'em just Interviewer: Some of 'em give you malaria, won't they? 748: What's that? Interviewer: Malaria? 748: Yeah, some of 'em will Interviewer: Uh what do you take for malaria? 748: Well I tell you I don't Interviewer: Never had it? 748: N- I don't know, I haven't been bothered like to say what you have when Interviewer: Yeah You know, uh Now these things that might come around in your garden And they eat up all your Things that hop around like that 748: Well that's grasshopper Interviewer: Yeah 748: We got a grasshopper now, he'll eat grass Interviewer: You ever heard people call 'em hoppergrasses? 748: Yeah Interviewer: Who? 748: Some of 'em call 'em grass, hoppergrass or grasshopper, it's the same thing Interviewer: Yeah Who calls 'em hoppergrass? Who? 748: What'd you say? Interviewer: Do you know anybody who? Who calls 'em hoppergrass? Who would call 'em hoppergrass? 748: No I don't know about hoppergrass, that's just You know every Know what they got different names to things but only way I know is just to say hop- grasshopper Interviewer: Yeah 748: Just grasshopper Interviewer: Um You ever use any small fish for bait? 748: Well I tell you we got a, there's a minnow That's a little thing that goes He's a Well I've seen 'em grow that long before, had some, but came now in different size, minnows And you catch them now, bait your hook with, and um Interviewer: Yeah Now, sometimes when you're in the house and you haven't cleaned for a while Up there in the #1 {X} # 748: #2 Spiders # Spiders spiders spiderwebs Ole spider crawl all up there Make webs on the stairs while you can find some webs up there, some, I try to keep my webs clean Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 748: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 748: #2 But uh # Anyhow They'll make webs and another thing ol' spider do sometimes, you know, make 'em a web Curl around And she a c- c- come way down on it, I've seen 'em {NW} Way down Interviewer: When you're walking through in the woods, out in the woods, you might run into a You might run into a what and have to get it off you 748: Well a lot of times, a spider web they put there Interviewer: Yeah, cobweb? 748: Cobweb, whatever you wanna call it, but you know that's the same thing, you know Interviewer: Cobweb #1 Spiderweb? # 748: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: Um Now Can you tell me, uh, have you got that kind of bird that Is always Pecking on things? 748: Oh have a, oh, a woodpecker Woodpecker, yeah that scoundrel be He'll peck holes in timber Interviewer: Yeah What, what different types? 748: Different types? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Well #1 The only # Interviewer: #2 You've got # 748: Thing I know about a woodpecker, he's a, he's generally White and blue or, and his head's usually red, some of 'em And uh {NS} {NS} {X} Just keep on pecking on, pecking on it and they can peck a hole in the tree Interviewer: Have you got that big one that gets about the size of a half-grown chicken? 748: Well uh I don't know, now I've never seen a peckerwood that, that big {X} Interviewer: You've never seen what? 748: Never seen one that big Interviewer: Seen a what? 748: Peckerwood Interviewer: That big 748: No Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 There's a smaller one # Round, might say round here Interviewer: Yeah 748: Not, no not, not like big as a chicken, you know Interviewer: Yeah Talking about a peckerwood, would you ever use that word about anybody? 748: No Never did use it Interviewer: You ever heard it? 748: I've heard it but I oh I never did use it Interviewer: Well who, what would it say? What would they say? 748: Well they'd just say {NS} I done forgot what they what they say Interviewer: Huh? 748: I done forgot what they say now Be honest with you Interviewer: Would, would folks ever say anything about that, about other people, you know, say "You peckerwood, you"? 748: Yeah I've heard that {NS} {X} {NS} {NW} Old peckerwood done pecking on on all night and um Call uh we used to call people sometimes peckerwood that always messing somebody Interviewer: Yeah? 748: {NW} Always begging somebody, talking about somebody {X} Interviewer: Yeah 748: Talking about you behind your back And all like that That's, that we used to call 'em peckerwood sometimes, and you a peckerwood Interviewer: Have any other names? 748: Mm well Some folks may call 'em devils They'd call 'em a fool or something like that And I've heard folks cussing but I never did cuss none That's one thing I never did do Interviewer: What would you hear 'em say? 748: What's that? Interviewer: What would you hear 'em say? 748: Oh I've heard 'em say "God damn" and all sorts of stuff like that "Damn fool" and all like, like I says, I never did use that stuff Interviewer: Yeah? Would you ever #1 Call 'em # 748: #2 It's # Really really cussing is wh- when you use God's name in it Just like "God damn you" or something really like that, that's cussing But I never did do that Never did do that {NS} Interviewer: {NS} Yeah? {NS} {NS} What time is it? {NS} 748: What time is it? It's ten o clock {NS} Late, I tell you that clock's about ten minutes fast {NS} Later Maybe a little #1 {NS} Fast # Interviewer: #2 {NS} No it's just # {NS} Couple minutes fast 748: #1 {NS} {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NS} According to my watch # 748: {NS} Yeah But any- anyhow, that's where it's straggling {NW} My watch loses, uh gained, uh loses time Interviewer: Yeah? 748: That's the way it is I could set it up And uh It'll lose time, lose time back now, and I'm used to it, you know, and I don't think about what it is Interviewer: Mm-hmm 748: Don't T- like my watch, my watch here will lose time I can set my watch up {NS} Lately, I can set my watch up right now on ten o clock And uh And uh Maybe When twelve o clock, uh maybe when it's night now, listen It's it's on, say if it's on ten o clock now Keep it running Maybe tonight, you know, uh it'll be a little bit before ten So I lose time It don't gain time, it'll it'll lose, my watch'll lose time It don't gain time it lose time Maybe lose four, two or three or four minutes like that a day, on like that {X} Interviewer: Yeah That clock up on the On the mantel {NS} No uh {NS} Yeah, any- Well In other words Uh i- Lo- I know a long time ago they used to have Special facilities and everything and Different restrooms and And Different schools for 748: Well way back yonder We had closets, we call clothes to hang our clothes in We call 'em closets A little something built in the house Interviewer: Yeah 748: We hang all the clothes in {NW} Interviewer: #1 Yeah but # 748: #2 {X} # Come to restrooms, of course, a way back yonder We just had a little shack built outdoors somewhere, ya know And uh Didn't have running water in it, that little shack built outdoors Little bitty house And and and put you some Make you put you a plank {NS} Build it up and then put your plank right about where you sit down {X} And cut you a hole in it And then just sit, sit down on that and do what you want to do with it Interviewer: Yeah 748: Just pile up down there on the ground Interviewer: No I was talking about uh For different people, you know they used to have Years ago when you went into town you couldn't Maybe you couldn't ride a certain bus or something like that 748: Oh well, now, yeah, well, of course, now that Uh Where I've seen 'em, tell you what I've seen Course it's not thataway now. I've seen that uh If a colored folk got on the bus I've seen 'em take {NS} And the colored folks have to go back behind that, had to go on the on the back, stay in the back And the white folks sit up there, but they don't do that no more, they don't have no {D: issue} I've seen, I rode trains that, trains that same way People, I don't see that now I don't see that now Interviewer: Yeah? 748: No I don't see it Don't see it Interviewer: Now, you're a I'm a, I'm a what, I'm a 748: Well I called, I just said, I just say you is a white man {NW} Interviewer: Okay and you're a 748: I'm a nigger Interviewer: Yeah 748: You white and I'm black Interviewer: Yeah, did they have any other names for 'em, in other words Did, did y'all, did, would would black people call white people, would they have any names for 'em? 748: Well biggest thing I know they just "White folks" is all I know Interviewer: Yeah, would they Would they have any uh, would white people have names for black people? 748: Well yes, they'd sometime they'd call 'em As a rude they'd call, some of 'em call call "nigger" Interviewer: Yeah 748: They'd just call 'em "nigger", have it "Hey nigger, whatcha doing?" "Nigger, what's up?" Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 Then # Some of 'em would call you "Tom" or Or "John" or whatever name they can think of Interviewer: John. By your #1 Name, then? # 748: #2 I, what I mean # I mean calling you any- anything they can think of, just call you by it, just Just name you theyself {NW} Interviewer: Yeah Yeah? When a, when a white man got mad at a black man What would he say to him? 748: Well he'd call him a son of a bitch, black son of a bitch I've {NW} Interviewer: Yeah 748: And I've heard white fo-, uh niggers call a white man a white son of a bitch, too Interviewer: Yeah? 748: See? {D: see} Interviewer: Any other names? Like pet 748: Well sometimes you Interviewer: {X} 748: Maybe a devil or a Uh A low down rascal or something like that, you know Interviewer: Yeah Now When you work for somebody, you y- call him 748: Well, I work for somebody, tell you what I call Uh Way back yonder told me used to say "Master" but I just say "Mister so-and-so" Say I've worked, I've worked all around thataway I have a best friend, I have white friends but {X} Man named {B} I just say mister {B} Interviewer: Yeah 748: And everybody called me "Man". That's just, that's just a nickname "Man?" That's the way we talk to one another Interviewer: Yeah? {NS} Did you, um {NS} Now {NS} What about that tire company in town, have you heard of #1 That? # 748: #2 What's that? # Interviewer: You know about that tire company in town? 748: Power company? Interviewer: Tire. Rubber company 748: Now I don't know nothing about that, I've never been in there and looked at it. Interviewer: Well have you heard of it? 748: I've heard of it Interviewer: What's the name of it? Coop- uh That rubber, tire company? 748: Well yeah but that's I think, I think that's it, I'm not sure, to be honest with you can't think right now Interviewer: Yeah, Coop- Coop- 748: Cooper, I mean Cook's Cook's Rubber and Tire Company and all #1 Like that? # Interviewer: #2 Cooper? # 748: Just like a man running a hardware, just say uh Mack William's hardware Interviewer: Yeah? Well what's the name of that tire company that has a factory here? 748: Uh I'm trying to think There's so many of 'em I just can't think #1 I don't know which one # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 748: Just several, got a plant and factory But I can't think of it right now Interviewer: Yeah You know what the Baseball Hall of Fame is? 748: Baseball Hall of Fame Interviewer: You ever heard of something-town New York? 748: I've heard about Baseball Hall of Fame now, now just what that Interviewer: Yeah Well that was the same name, Coop- Coop- That tire company in town, they call it the Cooper, Cooper 748: Yeah well that is, I think you call it Cooper Tire Yeah, Cooper Tire, yeah I know the one, called Cooper Tire, I know Interviewer: In town? 748: In town Interviewer: Now if you Um, how would you address a woman by that name? 748: Well I wanna just tell you how I would address someone by that name I would just l- just say Miss Cooper Interviewer: Yeah? 748: That's all I'd know to say Interviewer: If she was married you'd say 748: Yeah I say Missus Cooper And if she wasn't married I'd ju- in a, in a I'd say Miss Cooper Interviewer: Yeah 748: Mister and Missus If you're marry- if you're married, call you Mister Miss, Mister, and I guess uh Unmarried Missus Interviewer: Yeah Now Um We were talking about About names uh Would y'all have Would you have People White or black that would get married or anything like that? 748: Well in this section of country we haven't had that yet, I don't know anything about it I I have knowed of it, but I haven't, the only biggest thing I knowed About whites and blacks here would be I've known Several Colored women {D: with} White men, got babies while they'd And we got a lot of 'em here Uh, I tell you this little joke {NW} {NW} Uh There's a job, you know, you know there used to be, there used to be jobs that That didn't allow a nigger to work on it See? {NW} And this one fellow got a job, he'll, he's he was a, his mother was a Was a black woman He's his his his daddy was a white man Interviewer: He was a what? 748: I said his daddy was a white man Interviewer: Yeah but he was a what? 748: Well he's just a {NW} All I, all I can just tell you, he's just a Well in other words uh, they can, I don't know what, just kind of what we call a bastard, I mean {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 748: #2 {NW} # But anyhow Didn't want no colored folk to work on that job, wouldn't, no no no And one fella got him a job, see they couldn't hardly tell him, you know It's just hard, say he looks so much like a Look, look white, white white, but he was, looks something, but he had colored folk ways {D: Boss} Fellow said "Well I tell you now" "I believe that's a nigger" {NW} And uh He said "I'll tell you what I'm, I'm gonna do is I, we'll all get together" "And I'll say I'm gonna do so-and-so, so-and-so" and and and he knows that, and the white folks just say "Alright" And that nigger said "Didn't nothing happen" {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 What? # 748: "Didn't nothing happen" {NW} See when he come down here, "What, what about you, John?" Well I do so, "Didn't nothing happen" "Didn't, I told you that's a nigger" Course he use that word "Doesn't happen" {NW} White folk didn't use that {NW} If that's not a good one "I told y'all that was a nigger" {NW} That way he caught up with him now Interviewer: Why? 748: By saying "Didn't nothing happen" He asked him would he do such and such thing Ask this white man, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." Ask that one right here Ask that nigger "Didn't nothing happen", he said {NW} Interviewer: I can't figure out why that's funny 748: What's that? Interviewer: I can't figure out why that's funny 748: Well I, I just say it's funny to me, that's all It's funny to me Folks has different ways, you know, of catching up with folks And them that Some folks, you know, they Regard the color {NS} {NS} {X} Interviewer: Huh? 748: Some folks, you know Some folks c- can be that, can be an old ghost wrapped up Comparatively speaking In sheep's clothing And you have to Take you a long time to ever know, and like Jacob {D: uh he was} Abraham, babe of Abraham Interviewer: Who was the wife of Abraham? 748: Sarah Uh, Esau and Jacob Well uh, Jacob, Esau stole Jacob's birthright And how c-, how he managed to do it was this His mama helped him to work the trick, now {NS} Interviewer: What? 748: His mother helped him to work the trick, to get to do it Interviewer: Yeah 748: Wrap hisself up in, n- just put, old sheep, just wrapped up In in in a in in sheep wool, you know Interviewer: Yeah 748: Tie it, you know, just tie it so {D: and appear} And um All over head and hair, went all over his face and everything You know, he went talking to, he went to talking to his daddy, uh Esau did Well, Jacob He "Oh that sounds like Esau" "But it's clear you feel like Jacob" {NW} "You feel like Jacob" And so sure enough you see. And that's the way some folks here today are. Some folks is hard, hard, hard To know just who they is and what they is Interviewer: What do you mean? 748: Gotta watch a person Take time to just watch a person, watch a person, just keep, in other words they They they they they they played at being that but they're not {NS} {X} Sometimes they have you fooled Sometimes folk would have you making, uh have you thi- uh have you thinking They's a friend of yours, but just keep watching 'em Interviewer: They're just making 748: You just keep watching, you know, just keep watching {X} If he's a friend {NS} {D: It's true now today} {X} Some way, just keep watching Interviewer: Yeah #1 Some folk # 748: #2 {X} # Ain't uh, I tell you what, some fol- I always, I use this word Listen to what, what a person say and watch what he do That's the how I guess what a person is Cause a person'll say one thing and do another They'll deceive you if you ain't watching Get that, keep watching, keep a-watching, uh Just keep watching Interviewer: Yeah You know, uh Some folks Act like they know it all, you #1 Say # 748: #2 Well now that's # We, we call them smart-alecks Interviewer: They don't what, they don't know everything, they just 748: Yeah, yeah that's smart, the- they make like they know everything, try to make it seem, we just call 'em smart-aleck, "You smart-aleck, you" {NW} Interviewer: Yeah #1 He's just # 748: #2 {X} # You there are some folks think they got all the sense and ain't got none What you know what I'm saying? My God, when he made us He give us all Some knowledge He knowed what it's gonna take to run this world before he ever made it Interviewer: Amen 748: He give some folks knowledge to know what It's like I told my, know what I told my doctor once I got a good doctor, don't fool nobody I told him that God when he made the world, made man, he knowed man gonna get sick He knowed it I done, God when he created the Earth And everything, I said he put all sorts of chemicals Here and there That could do man's ill to good I said then he Put men here with knowledge of God To go just a little, just a little over here and just that To go yonder and get another another and bring 'em together Ya see? Then he put men the other didn't know how to come look down on you {NW} Say what the matter is, know which one to give If you need, if you need a, if you need so-, if you need a I'm gonna just play it so If you need laughter {D: Know you need to have a time while you're here} {D: You need to know} {X} Men enough to know how to do that God done that That's God's work, I told my doctor that I tell him all the time, I said s- {NW} I said about this though And you that God sent to me Lot of, he he got to, plain, I see, like {X} When me and, me and, me and ol' {X} {NW} Interviewer: #1 You know what? # 748: #2 {NW} # {X} G- I'm talking to God now That's right Interviewer: Yeah 748: Told God the head of everything He knowed everything He knowed everything God knowed Adam was gonna Break that law he put in that garden He knowed he gonna do Course he told him not to, he told him what not to do But just left it up to him, you know Do right or do wrong See? Just left it up to him "Now if you do wrong" "Adam" "I'll drive you out of here" "Do right you can stay here" You have no trouble going {NW} Like we have, naked, running out yonder All sorts of grass, everything Rooted out of your garden and everything You wouldn't have no fun You go out there and plant, make what little stuff you want But all sorts of these insects and everything Farm insects and grass and everything else, you know Adam sinned because he went against God's law He went against it Course Eve Influenced him do it Eve first, you know, and then She said "Take it, that's just an apple it's good Adam" "Eat some of this, eat some of this, that's gone be" {NW} {X} And um When they ate it, when they eyes come open, then that is to say Somehow they standing on the high table Then what did they do "We need some clothes on" Didn't have no clothes before then, "We need some clothes on" They's got some fig leaves, put them, whatever they could get at that time, you know Make 'em a kind of wrap But God come Well Adam, Adam know what he done, done wrong, he run and hid Course they hid but God said "Where are you, Adam?" {NS} {NW} "Where are you?" God knew where they were He knew where they were Adam called out Then Adam said "This woman done so-and-so, and I done so-and-so" Since Adam broke that law A woman having a baby wouldn't been a o- o- wouldn't be one spitting She didn't have them pains and things like that {D: that modern women do} Just like I tell them folks in {NW} My Sunday school classroom {X} They told me about Just tell this little point Uh Zacchaeus He got up in a tree to see Jesus Interviewer: What kind of tree? 748: Well just a tree is all I know Interviewer: Syca- 748: Well a sycamore tree but anyhow {NW} This is what the Bible said To see Jesus I heard someone say, "He got up there" Uh uh "Trying to hide." I said no he wasn't trying to hide, now he trying to see Problem was he trying to see because he's a little bitty man Low and all, like that, and he couldn't look up all over them folks, and he had heard so much about Jesus I want to see what he looked like That's the way he done {NS} He get a good look at him Now God knowed he went up in that tree, he know it all, right When God's got this, "Look here!" "Zacchaeus come on, come down here Zacchaeus" {NW} "Come on down!" {NW} "I'm going to your house" Zacchaeus was a good man A good man Good man But he just didn't know Christ Til he see him Told, and and and, Christ said "I'm going to your house today" He went there Course I won't take time to tell you what the- what all that other happened After that, you know, c- all of this Some folks because he's um Cause he was a I'll just say he was a nigger Interviewer: What's that? 748: A negro Interviewer: Who? 748: Adam, uh I mean, Zacchaeus was Interviewer: Okay 748: And the white folk didn't like him That, that's claimed why Interviewer: Well he was a tax collector 748: That's what I just said But he was an honest man and the man had an honest job The- the- he was he was the- the government was under the they they they He was a righteous law, said government Interviewer: Yeah 748: And they was under the Roman government at that time Interviewer: Mm-hmm 748: But this man had, the way he lived and act around the queen See? She had {X}