Interviewer: They were glad he finally 748: Passed out {NS} Interviewer: Passed out yeah and uh they buried in the what they buried him away in the 748: Well A cemetery {X} Interviewer: Yeah 748: A graveyard we call them graveyards some say graveyard and some say cemetery {NS} But they both mean the same thing to me Interviewer: Yeah 748: Graveyard is where they bury dead folks Interviewer: Yeah did you ever see did you ever see one of them places uh maybe around a church that they buried or one way out in the country what would they call that 748: Well where they're buried is called a church cemetery Or else if it was away from the church they just give the cemetery another name Interviewer: Yeah 748: Another name for it Interviewer: Yeah 748: Because I once I've seen a graveyard the other day {X} in this north field Uh Uh no church around it no house around it nothing Just a place to bury folks {NS} Interviewer: Yeah 748: Graveyard {NS} Interviewer: A place where they have a what 748: Place to bury the dead is all I know Interviewer: Yeah now when a man dies you might say he was an important man everybody turned out for his 748: {NW} Well I'll just say well he she was well thought of Interviewer: Yeah a lot of people turned out for his 748: For his funeral Interviewer: Um now the people who are dressed in black you say they're 748: Well {NS} Black the way I understand it {NW} People who are dressed in black are in mourning Interviewer: {NW} What if a woman uh say a woman lost control of herself you'd say she was what 748: Well if a woman lost control of herself well I'd just say she's uh Interviewer: At the funeral 748: She just uh Went all uh crazy or something like that Interviewer: She was mourning she was taken taken hard about it 748: Oh well {X} Yeah I'd just say they're weeping Like them folks uh Weeping around {X} Folks weeping around that When that little woman's son died no one charged ahead and Christ stopped the funeral procession stopped and told her Stop And he checks that Boy and that boy got up Them folks that you saw weeping with them, mourning with them I'll tell you another thing everybody follow a funeral uh Folks saying saying that they're not going to any any old cemetery Some of them To see what is going on see what's going to be said and something like that And some come Really because they want to console That the bereaved party and some of them even say {D: above that} {NW} It's a little better to try to console Interviewer: Now if somebody was troubled you might say oh honey it's going to come out okay just don't 748: Well if there was in trouble something like that I'd say well Interviewer: They were worried they were troubled 748: In other words I'd say well you were worried about that but uh Uh don't worry about it it'll uh Just live on with it something like that Interviewer: Yeah remember that disease that children would get and they'd get it in their they'd get it and they'd choke to death in the night 748: Well um One of them was Interviewer: They choked 748: It it it it'd be cold Flee Interviewer: Yeah 748: Accumulate in the cold Interviewer: Around world war one and thereafter they used to give people the Schick test to see if they needed shots or you remember di- 748: Well uh I remember them giving shots to to to keep folks from having different things like I take the flu shots Interviewer: Yeah 748: Keep me from having the flu Interviewer: You remember that disease that children would choke to death it was called dipth- 748: Uh Interviewer: Diphther- 748: Hmm I don't know about that one Interviewer: Diphtheri- 748: Yes sir I believe I've heard that term Interviewer: Um now there was a disease that made your skin turn yellow and made people's arms and body turn yellow and their eyes turn yellow that was what 748: Well it uh I'd just say they {NW} Well I wouldn't know just exactly how to place that to be honest Interviewer: Yeah 748: Properly Interviewer: They called it yellow j- 748: Yellow fever I don't know what could it be yellow fever Interviewer: Yeah yellow jan- 748: {NW} Interviewer: Ever heard of janders 748: I've heard of it yeah Interviewer: Okay now some folks get a pain down low in their side they call that what 748: Well Low in the side they'd just say my my my my my Side hurt or there's some say my stomach hurt Uh I'll have something to grieve enough something like that In other words A pain struck me I don't know what it is Interviewer: If it was down low here you'd say it was what 748: Well if it was down low I'd Interviewer: Just I mean a really bad pain 748: Well a real bad Interviewer: Folks used to die from it 748: Yeah Interviewer: And they didn't know what it was 748: Well um {X} I wouldn't know how to answer that I mean what if I Interviewer: They might have to have that removed their appe- their 748: Oh well the appendix Appendicitis they called it {X} Interviewer: They had what 748: Appendix Interviewer: Yeah they had a case of 748: Appendicitis Interviewer: Yeah and um now if you ate something that didn't agree with you it'd make you 748: Well if you eat something that don't agree with you you'd just have to Interviewer: You'd have to what you'd have to 748: You got to make you {NS} In other words it'll make you feel bad and make you belch {NS} And uh Sometimes it It'd cause your Bowel {X} Interviewer: Make you what 748: Well it would just make you Interviewer: When you eat and drink things that don't agree with you and they come up 748: Well make you throw up or something make you heave it up Interviewer: Heave it up 748: Yeah Interviewer: Okay or any other ways of saying it #1 kind of a different # 748: #2 In other words you'd say # folks would say make you puke Interviewer: Yeah 748: {NW} Interviewer: Yeah or vo- uh 748: Vomit yeah puke vomit or heave any one of them three things Interviewer: What would you what's a more crude term you'd say just vomit or 748: Well I'd just say Vomit yeah Interviewer: And um the more polite would be 748: Well heave I guess heave Interviewer: Okay now you might say 748: Or throw up I might I'm going to say throw up Interviewer: If you vomited you were sick he was what 748: Well if you vomit Well you'd just say well you just threw up Interviewer: Where was he sick 748: He just Well I just have to he {NW} He puked or something Interviewer: Yeah you know uh if it was a little warm or something or you'd eaten the wrong food you might say honey I'm going to go out and get some fresh air I'm feeling a little sick 748: Or I might just say well Interviewer: I'm feeling a little sick 748: oh I ate something that didn't agree with me that's all I'd say Interviewer: I'm feeling a little sick 748: Stuff don't agree with me because it {NW} Makes me feel bad Interviewer: Where does it make you sick 748: Well my stomach don't feel right Interviewer: Makes me sick where 748: In my stomach Interviewer: Sick in my stomach 748: Yeah sick in my stomach Interviewer: Okay um now if you invited somebody over to see you this evening and uh you're going to be disappointed if he didn't come you'd tell him I 748: Well uh If he didn't come I'd just say this Interviewer: I 748: I sure looked for you Interviewer: What 748: I looked for you to come you didn't come What happened something must have happened to you Interviewer: No you were telling say you were talking to him over the phone 748: Oh oh Interviewer: #1 And you were going to tell him that # 748: #2 oh # Oh yeah I've been looking yeah if I'm talking to him over the phone I'm looking for you to come but you never did come Interviewer: Well he didn't come no it wasn't you say you wanted him to come to your house tonight say 748: Well I'd just ask why you didn't come Interviewer: And if he won't come you'd say 748: How come you didn't come Interviewer: You go well okay how come you didn't come now but uh you might say if you don't come I 748: Well if you don't come I'll just um {NW} You hear well or if you heard me just don't come well I just don't care {NW} Interviewer: If you don't come I blank be disappointed I 748: Yeah well I sometimes you sure did disappoint me I'd say that Interviewer: You'd be talking with him you say now I want you to come to my house tonight if you don't come I 748: Would be disappointed if you Interviewer: #1 I won't be # 748: #2 Don't come # Interviewer: Disappointed um or you'd say to him any time you can come to my house I'll be what to see you I'll be 748: Well I'd be glad to see you Interviewer: Or I'll be 748: Welcome to come Interviewer: I'll be 748: Well it might be Interviewer: #1 Proud # 748: #2 {X} # Be proud to see you be welcome {NW} Be glad to see you Interviewer: Okay would does that mean about the same thing as glad 748: {D: as what} Interviewer: Does that mean about the same thing as glad 748: Uh Glad proud uh about they're all about the same thing really Interviewer: Okay now say a boy was leaving a party and he saw a girl leaving too he'd ask her what would he ask her can I 748: Go with you Interviewer: Okay or can I may I what 748: Could say well may I accompany you home Interviewer: Okay or uh if he had a carriage or his own surrey or his wagon or something like that he'd say may I 748: I'll take you in my wagon I'll take you in my car I'll take you in my wagon I'll take you in the car and get you home Interviewer: Okay so he 748: If he did so he'd be nice enough to do that. I went to folks {NW} Housing they had nice enough {X} {NW} Bring me home {NS} Interviewer: When a boy was seeing a lot of a girl spending a lot of time with her going over to her house a lot they'd say he was he was doing what 748: {NW} Well if he's going over to her house a lot Over to see her I'd say well I'd just say it like this He sure do love that somebody loves to be around them Then another thing you could say a boy {X} There must {NW} There must be something going on along between them {NW} Interviewer: He's what 748: Well he must be He must be going with that girl Interviewer: They'd say he's courting her or 748: Courting her yeah Interviewer: Any other ways of saying it they'd say he was 748: Well just corresponding with her Interviewer: Okay were they would they talk about what if he was really serious about her 748: Well if he's real serious about it Why Interviewer: They'd say he was what 748: I'd just say well he sure did mean it Interviewer: Mean what 748: If he was honest about Uh liked to be in that girl's company or even at the funeral and and and Interviewer: About keeping company 748: And keeping company with her Interviewer: Yeah um or what if he was just kind of fooling around with her folks would say he was just 748: Oh he didn't mean nothing he's just taking up time with her Interviewer: Yeah 748: What I'd say Interviewer: He doesn't love her he's just what 748: I'd just say he don't love her he's just taking up time Interviewer: He just go on with her or 748: Yeah Interviewer: Spark her did you ever hear that spark 748: Well that's sparking yeah that's just uh Being together or that's before they Whether it's for a good purpose or bad Whether it's meant for good or meant for bad Interviewer: Yeah now she's she'd be fixing up for her she'd be fixing up for her 748: Well she's fixing up She was expecting him she'd be fixing up for her company Her friend to come Boyfriend Interviewer: Okay other names 748: What's that Interviewer: Other names 748: Well boyfriend um or man friend or whatever you want to call Interviewer: Okay and uh he'd call her his 748: Girlfriend Interviewer: Okay um kind of old funny names you'd have for that maybe you'd say uh oh boy going over to see his what tonight going over to going over to check out his 748: Well sometimes Interviewer: Honey or his thrill steady beau 748: Well um Interviewer: Dummy doll 748: I don't really know just how to pitch that Interviewer: Yeah now a boy would come home with lipstick on his collar 748: {NW} Interviewer: And they'd say you've been 748: Yeah Oh yeah you've been I can tell you've been kissing that girl I'll tell you That kind of woman {NS} A man would go with a woman {NW} And she was just one of those women that's you know kept a lot of stuff like that about her And uh Coming in One night His wife Said well I've been so and so {X} I know where you've been you've been seeing with so and so I see all that stuff on your On your collar Interviewer: She kept a lot of stuff with her 748: I'm talking about She's hugging him and kissing him you know Got some of that stuff on on your clothes {X} Interviewer: When a girl stops letting a boy come over to see her 748: Well they just fell out Interviewer: She she did what to him 748: Well she just fell out well in other words she's Lost friendship with him Or dissolved friendship with him Interviewer: He asked her to marry him but she 748: {NW} Well if she asked her to marry him Interviewer: But she did what 748: And she turned him down Interviewer: Okay 748: Turned him down she said no Interviewer: Let's say oh boy that that poor boy he just hadn't been the same since she since she what 748: {NW} Well uh Interviewer: Other ways of saying it 748: #1 Yeah hadn't # Interviewer: #2 {D: all of a sudden} # 748: Been the same in other words Uh hadn't been the same since {NS} I first met him or something like that or uh-huh Interviewer: What did she do to him she well what would you say a man did to a woman a man if a man didn't want to see a woman anymore he just did what he 748: Well if he don't want to see her well I'm just through with you Interviewer: #1 He's # 748: #2 I don't # Want to do with you Interviewer: And he did what he 748: Just just told her I'm through with you and I'm done with you now Interviewer: He did what he gave her gave her 748: Well It was a Interviewer: Gave him the sack or gate gave him the 748: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 Axe # 748: Yeah threw him out of the gate or something like that {NS} Yeah Interviewer: Okay now but if she didn't turn him down you'd say they went ahead and got 748: {NW} Well she didn't turn him down Be {X} Well they finally got married Interviewer: Yeah other ways of saying that humorous ways you'd say he got they got what 748: Well I'd just say they either got together or they got united Interviewer: They talking about horses or something like that you'd say they did what 748: What's that Interviewer: Talking about horses or something like that you'd say they got 748: Horses you said horses Interviewer: Yeah would you compare uh uh getting married to to getting two horses together in a wagon 748: Well I'd just I could say well they finally got together at last Interviewer: Yeah got hitched 748: Got hooked up Interviewer: Hooked up jumped the broomstick 748: Yeah we I've used that word I've heard that word Jump the broomsticks Interviewer: Um now at a wedding the man who stands up with the groom is the what 748: Well the man who stands up with the groom at a wedding I guess uh I'd have to say the preacher in other words sometimes they Sometimes the father I suppose stands up with him I've known that to be happening Interviewer: What was the waiter 748: Well the waiters is uh We just called them waitress uh Somebody to Assist him in getting around no I don't know how to say that Interviewer: Okay um now after a wedding would uh there be kind of a noisy bunch of people come around the house 748: Well after a wedding sometime you have a lot of folk come around you know cheering them up wishing them well and all that {X} {NS} Interviewer: Or they might start shooting their guns off all the people in the neighborhood would come around #1 Have a # 748: #2 I # We've never I've never heard of that now {D: no} Interviewer: Would they ever have something at the bride at the groom's house I mean the the married couple's house people would get together and they'd come over and start shooting their guns off or maybe bring a lot of whiskey make a lot of noise start beating on things 748: Well {X} Things like that but I've never seen it Interviewer: Yeah that was a what 748: Well just a merry party is all I know Interviewer: Yeah you ever hear of a shi- a shivar- shivaree 748: No Interviewer: Never heard of a shivaree oh boy now what about somebody who was unpopular in the community maybe he took a maybe he took an unpopular stand in the church or in a political situation 748: Well I'd just say he's kind of a self-conceited person that's all I know Interviewer: Well 748: {X} Interviewer: What might people do 748: What's that Interviewer: What might people do if they wanted to threaten him 748: Want to threaten him Interviewer: Yeah would people ever come around maybe and fire their pistols 748: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 {X} # #1 Surround their house # 748: #2 Sometime people # Come around try to find out how come you don't act Interviewer: Yeah 748: Like you should Interviewer: That was a what they did a 748: Well uh People trying to To to reason with you uh trying to Interviewer: {D: Would ever give people a drummond} 748: A what Interviewer: {D: A drummond that is run him out of community} 748: Yeah well you mean running folks out of the community Interviewer: Yeah 748: I have heard it yeah Interviewer: Okay now say you you uh where have you traveled around here besides west have you ever been to been to Memphis been up around Memphis 748: No Interviewer: Okay or Little Rock 748: I've been to Little Rock Interviewer: Just the other day you were 748: I was at Little Rock to see my son the other day Interviewer: You were what 748: I visited my son that's all I know Interviewer: Just the other day you were 748: Last week uh last Friday I went to see my son visit my son at Little Rock Interviewer: Mm-hmm 748: Veteran's hospital Interviewer: You were where 748: Sick Interviewer: Just last Friday you were 748: #1 In Little Rock # Interviewer: #2 {X} # You were 748: That I was trying to see my son trying to accompany see how he's getting along Interviewer: Yeah you'd say you were up 748: Well I'd say this now About him now He was up but uh {NW} I've got a sad story for you They'd operated on him so many They thought they was going to have to do it over again that's something that's happening Interviewer: Or talking about Monroe 748: {NW} Well if I it's in Monroe I'd just say well I'm in Monroe, Louisiana Interviewer: I was down 748: Yeah I'd say well I don't yeah I guess so I'd just say I'm down going I think that is south Interviewer: I was down 748: Down south Interviewer: Okay uh or uh you might say something like if somebody lives up the hill you'd say he lives where 748: Well I'd say I well I'd say well so and so he he lives up there on the hill Interviewer: Uh okay now four o clock is the time when school four o clock is the time when school 748: Closes school closing time Interviewer: Closes and uh the day after labor day usually is when school 748: Well Schools uh reopen After Holidays or Interviewer: Yeah okay you'd say school uh around the first of September that's when school what when it 748: School is going to be open for the summer summertime Interviewer: When it opens okay if a boy left home to go to school say he didn't show up they'd say he did what 748: {NS} Well {NS} If he left home to go to school and didn't show up I'd just say well he just {NS} Interviewer: He did what he 748: Well I'd say Interviewer: Did you ever do that when you were young 748: Well I'd say he did no I never did When I got to go what little bit I got to go to school I went I didn't {NS} Every day I went I wouldn't be disappointed See If you didn't show up well I'd just be disappointed I'd be I'd be disappointed if I didn't show up Interviewer: You say that boy did what he must have dad gum that boy didn't show up at school he must have played 748: Well that that boy didn't show up well I'd say this something must have happened Interviewer: He bag- he bagged it or he played hooky 748: Well played hooky when I said happened that'd cover all that you know Hooky or whatnot hooky or sick or whatnot Interviewer: You go to school to get 748: Well you go to school to get an education Interviewer: And uh did you ever have any go to high school 748: Now what Interviewer: Did you ever have any kids go to high school 748: Yeah Interviewer: And after high school someone might go onto 748: Yes I have I'm going to college Higher institution of learning Interviewer: When you went to school what did you start in 748: I started in uh What do you call a {X} That's when I started in my day Interviewer: Okay 748: {X} Interviewer: They call it anything else other words for it 748: Let me see Interviewer: What'd you sit in 748: I don't know whether they called it anything else or not right now Interviewer: What did you sit in 748: What'd I see Interviewer: Sit in 748: I would sit on {X} Sit on on homemade plant benches Interviewer: Yeah nowadays they have 748: They have chairs to sit in Interviewer: Chairs 748: oh yes Uh Nice pews to sit in Interviewer: And they write on 748: Well they write on the tablets Write on the they used to have slates to write on Interviewer: Yeah 748: Write on Interviewer: Nowadays they have a table cloth 748: Well they have a A writing table Interviewer: Yeah they call that a what 748: Well Interviewer: Each student has his own 748: He always had his own own little desk something like that Interviewer: Yeah the classroom might have a whole bunch of new new de- talking about a desk 748: Casket Interviewer: No a desk if each student has his own desk 748: Well Interviewer: Then the classroom might have how many 748: Well It may have it depends That depends on uh In other words how well it depends on how large the room is Interviewer: What depends 748: It depends on if the room is big enough to accommodate Interviewer: Accommodate what 748: To accommodate Uh Say Say twenty students put twenty in there Interviewer: And you have twenty what 748: And you and you have twenty desks {X} Interviewer: Okay now a place where you'd go check out books is called a what 748: Library Interviewer: Yeah um now you would stay overnight in a strange town you'd stay in a what 748: Well I'd stay in a hotel or in a boarding house Interviewer: Yeah okay um now uh you mail a package at the what 748: I mail a package at the post office Interviewer: Okay 748: just say post office or bus station but we we do say {NW} Here we send off to put on {X} #1 Send the package # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # Now the woman who looks after your son in a hospital is called a 748: Nurse Interviewer: Nurse where would you catch a train when you caught that train to go to California you caught it at the what 748: Well when I caught the train to go to California I caught it {D: an hour later} Interviewer: At the what 748: At the At the what I call the depot Interviewer: Okay call it the rail rail rail what 748: Well {NS} You mean down {X} Interviewer: Railroad 748: Um Interviewer: Railroad depot 748: Yes Interviewer: Hmm 748: Yeah that's where the depot that's word for it Interviewer: What were they called 748: Let me see depot uh Interviewer: Okay now 748: A station or {NW} Interviewer: Alright uh now there's an open place in the middle of a city what do they call that right in there by the courthouse 748: Well um {NW} Interviewer: It's got trees in it and grass grows there 748: Mm-hmm Interviewer: #1 It's got # 748: #2 Well um # Interviewer: They call that what 748: Well they just call it um {NS} A Place of amusement {X} Place for amusement's all I can say Interviewer: Yeah it's just a town what town 748: Just a town park amusement you might call it Interviewer: Okay are there any greens or places or parks around here anything like that 748: That's right they got some {NW} Basic parks you know people {X} {NW} They have to have a place for folks to park the cars on their way up Just like we used to have a {X} We hitched our wagons when we went there Couldn't hitch them hitch them anywhere That was a place to hitch our wagon And uh I can remember when uh Way back yonder They had a big show when when uh {X} Could hitch wagon could hitch horses now hitching up wagon horses around before {X} {NW} And then we had a big old trough that we would water our horses down at the courthouse Just lead them up to that trough and you Interviewer: Just one 748: Lead them water Lead them up to the trough you know down to the trough big old Big old Container that'll hold water trough Interviewer: They had more than one didn't they I mean 748: They didn't have more than one just one and they'll refill the water Had it on the courthouse To water your horses Just one only way I know Interviewer: Now when you feed your your cattle or stuff like that you had maybe two or three 748: Well I If I fed my cattle And I have two or three Interviewer: Two or three what 748: Well if I had three three say if I have three cows Interviewer: Yeah 748: Well I'd have to have three troughs to feed them three cows {D: you know} Interviewer: Okay um now let's say there were two streets that were crossing and uh you were at the corner of one one of those streets and you had to get through the intersection to the corner of the other street uh instead of walking across one street and then across the other you walked you maybe walked what way 748: Maybe I'd walk Uh {X} {NS} Well across the streets Interviewer: You'd say you were talking compared to the corners of the street you're walking what way 748: Well Well if I would I'd walk across streets {X} I'd sort of walk around this hall here Interviewer: But you went what way 748: If I if I went if he was around this a way And I then I heard anybody cut across You see Interviewer: Yeah you went 748: I'd cut across you know whichever way I'd cut going you know east north or south I'd cut across you know {NW} Maybe save a few steps Interviewer: Yeah you're walking what you're walking 748: Well when I'm walking {NS} Regards to which way I'm going I just {NS} Just uh Interviewer: Walking 748: Walking um Interviewer: Yeah say say you need to get from here to here instead of walking like that you walk 748: Well I walk across here cut acro- cut across Interviewer: Would say catty uh catty something 748: Well I have said catty but I usually just say I cut across Interviewer: Catty what you're walking catty #1 something cornered # 748: #2 Catty ways or catty cornered # Interviewer: Catty ways uh would you talk about any about {D: goblin?} Or something like that or {D: goblin or} {D: any goblin or} 748: Driving Interviewer: {D: Any goblin} Or anything like that you ever heard of that {X} 748: #1 No # Interviewer: #2 Now you remember how them old rail fences went # 748: Yeah because I would put them up Interviewer: They didn't go straight did they 748: No no Interviewer: How'd they go 748: Well they had to go Zigzaggy Interviewer: Zig zag huh okay uh now remember {X} They used to have well they got buses now {X} But what did they used to have they used to have them 748: Well {NS} You mean you mean in the town Interviewer: Yeah they had them uh 748: Well uh {D: say} {NW} Interviewer: {X} 748: Chauffeurs or Interviewer: Well they had them things that rail on on 748: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 Railways on rails and uh # 748: Well a street car Interviewer: A street car did you ever ride one 748: No sir never did ride Interviewer: #1 In San Fransisco # 748: #2 Yes I oh yes I have rode in a street car # Interviewer: In San Fransisco I bet 748: Sure I rode in a street car Interviewer: Now you you rode on one you'd tell the bus driver #1 The ne- # 748: #2 I want to # Get off say attention please Interviewer: #1 Alright # 748: #2 {X} # I'd get off say attention please {D: after I got to that} S- Got to the phrase I'd pull a little cord When I want to get off Interviewer: That'd tell the bus driver that that was where you 748: Tell him that this is where I want to get off Interviewer: Where you wanted you'd say hey this is where I 748: Yeah Interviewer: Want 748: Yeah it's either it's either hollering to him Just pull that cord that'd let him know {NS} let him know yes Interviewer: That's where you wanted 748: to stop Interviewer: That's where you wanted 748: To go Interviewer: Wanted to go okay now say you had a dog in the house the dog went over to the door and he started scratching on the door you'd say the dog wants 748: To come in Want to get in the house I'll tell you two things I say Interviewer: No he was inside the house 748: Oh inside he wanted to get out Interviewer: He wants 748: want to get out Interviewer: Wants out 748: Yeah wants outside Interviewer: Okay now El Dorado is the what of union county 748: El Dorado is the I call it the capital of Union county I might say Interviewer: Okay 748: County seat Interviewer: #1 It's the county okay # 748: #2 seat # Interviewer: Um now the police in town are supposed to uphold 748: Well law and order Interviewer: Okay uh you remember that war between the north and the south what was that called 748: Well it was called the ci- I'd call it {X} I heard it called a civil war I think that's better Interviewer: Okay did they have any other names for it or do you remember any other names older people might have called it 748: Hmm let's see Well I can't remember now Interviewer: Okay now before they had the electric chair murders were 748: Well before we had the electric chair they {NS} I guess they Interviewer: #1 Murderers were what # 748: #2 I might say that # might say they shot them Interviewer: Or they what 748: Or hung Interviewer: They hung them right murderers were 748: Hung Interviewer: Okay now a man wanted to commit suicide he went out and 748: Take something to kill hisself Interviewer: He went out and did he went out and 748: Done something to kill hisself all I know whichever whatever way Interviewer: Or he went out and 748: Yeah whatever whatever you done Interviewer: Hung 748: Something to kill hisself Interviewer: He might have gone out and done hu- 748: Well hung hisself Interviewer: Hung himself 748: Yeah well a man hung hisself right over here at this plant yeah Interviewer: Did he 748: Yes Interviewer: Why 748: White man Interviewer: Why is that 748: Oh it's Been years ago now I can't tell the year it's been years ago but anyhow that man {X} That man Uh went out there in the edge of the woods someone to put a rope around his neck and then he jumped off broke his neck {NW} Um Kill you know Rope around the neck And jumped over that tree over there I mean he jumped {NW} Over what he was standing on another limb Because that's what he had to clamp on then When and tied his rope and tied around his neck and then he jumped And then he jumped off That broke his neck Guy done right up here at the {X} Interviewer: Hmm 748: Committed suicide Interviewer: You know what that you know what that big town is uh uh well north of here on the Mississippi river it's in Missouri they call it saint 748: Saint Louis yeah Saint Louis I know that Interviewer: Saint Louis what 748: Yeah well Missouri Interviewer: Okay um how far is it from here to uh to uh {X} 748: It's said to be fourteen miles Interviewer: Okay uh now um if a man is funny say a man is funny and you liked him you'd say I like him 748: Oh he's just a jolly old fellow that's all I know to say He's just a I like to hear that old I like him you know he's so jolly Interviewer: Why do I like him why do you like him 748: Well because he's so cheerful he's always got something funny to say #1 Cheer you up # Interviewer: #2 Okay # 748: Cheer me up Interviewer: Now uh when you could have when you could have used help for something say you were doing a chore that you could have used help for you might ask afterwards why did you just sit around blank of helping me why'd you sit around of helping me uh 748: Now you mean uh You said in a store now Interviewer: Yeah 748: Well now in a store you know you know what if Interviewer: No no no not in a store just doing a chore by yourself 748: Oh to well Interviewer: And your say one of your sons was just watching 748: If if if he's over there chilling around If anybody happens happens to somebody they need help I'd just why did you help them just like I Going to the hospital once and I had uh my d- Carrying my daughter to the hospital and she had these blackouts Well she Had one of those blackouts she just fell out {NS} And uh there's a young white gentleman coming up the hill in his car now And he just stops his car right quick Jumped out see what he could do to help us See {NS} Because he had that Much feeling for Serving humanity Interviewer: Yeah 748: That's that's how come he does Interviewer: Now but if he'd been a scoundrel he would have 748: Oh no no he just kept going Interviewer: He would have driven on ins- 748: He'd have just drive on pay paid no attention Maybe tell tell folks and all what he's seen Interviewer: Instead 748: But at the same time won't won't tell the folks that I {X} {NW} Interviewer: But 748: He kept going Interviewer: Yeah but but he stopped 748: What I told you yeah But he stopped and helped Interviewer: Yeah now if you got a job that was hard to do all by yourself you might say to somebody you might say uh you might say well you might 748: Well if I had job to do and wanted to do it #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 I'm al- I done that job now but you might have # 748: Well I {NS} I've done that job You might have you might have you might find something wrong but you might have to do it over Interviewer: Or or you said to somebody you might say why do you just sit there watching me work you might have 748: Helped me Interviewer: Huh 748: Might have helped me Interviewer: Might have helped me okay uh or talking about uh if you gave somebody two choices you you asked him to do one but he did the other ins- but you asked him to do one but 748: Maybe {NS} Well if I asked him to do Asked him to do it I'd just say well he just wouldn't do so and so Wouldn't do like I told him that's what Interviewer: But he did the other instead right you'd say you asked him to do one but 748: But he done so and so Interviewer: But he he what he 748: Just just just just didn't obey me I could say that Interviewer: He did the other #1 {X} # 748: #2 Thing that I said I don't know # Interviewer: Instead 748: Instead That's a good way to put it Interviewer: You asked him to do this but 748: He done that Interviewer: Instead now you say 748: Yeah done that instead of doing what I told him he done that Interviewer: Okay um alright now uh in church the preacher delivers a 748: Well the preacher delivers a gospel message that's what he's supposed to do Interviewer: You say oh preacher that was a fine 748: Yeah well now listen {NS} Uh {NS} Now when it comes to his preaching just like speaking {NS} Everybody don't have the same ability To deliver nothing {NS} And some folks Now I say with some folks some folks {NW} Can try to tell you to {X} Go around any old area you you uh You listen at them Tell you which speaker which speaker you listen and when they get through with it they tell it in such a way you don't know more {NS} You don't know more {NS} When they started you did when they started you have another fellow {NS} Tell he look like a just {NS} {D: you get strings on} You get someone who looks like they'll see it {NS} He knows how to explain a thing so you're going to see it {NS} See explain a thing so we can see it and understand yet another fellow he He just he he he don't have that ability {NS} The same thing about preaching {NS} Uh some preachers Interviewer: That delivery 748: Yeah that deliverance {NS} They have a better deliverance than the other Interviewer: Delivering a good 748: A a good message or something like that Interviewer: The ser- the 748: The sermon {X} {NS} Has a better gift to do it Interviewer: Yeah 748: Because I've heard preachers that uh They'll say and say this They'll say and say they're saying the truth but the way they says it it didn't have no bang and I've heard preachers preachers saying {X} {NS} Just like singing a song Some folks it's raise a song and sing it And it's dry I I just call it dry {NS} And others raise a song and sing and it puts in such a way you know and it look it just has its bang Interviewer: The you just say the they don't have any what kind of a building they don't have any 748: Well they just don't have a an ability to do that because in other words Interviewer: To make 748: It is their talent Sometimes a person tries to do something they ain't talented Interviewer: They don't have a talent to make 748: Yeah a gift that is it is a gift where you need a talent to make that speech {NW} Interviewer: #1 Or to make To make la la la la la # 748: #2 {X} # And lead it ain't your talents to Interviewer: Or some people's talent don't have a talents can't be in a choir because they don't have a talent to make 748: Well Interviewer: To make mu- 748: To make music or to Preach or to teach or to speak {NS} all that Interviewer: But uh now you might say oh the music this morning was just it was really beau- music 748: Well {NS} Now {X} It depends on setting on them just at church {NS} You go to church It depends on what sort of attitude what sort of shape you was in when you went to church Interviewer: Yeah 748: See And um If you was in the spirit and the right attitude The song will like lift you up and pick you up {NS} And if you ain't Why you go to church it's {NS} Just another day Interviewer: Yeah but you might one day the songs might just sound beau- you say oh the songs just sound 748: Beautiful Interviewer: Beautiful 748: Beautiful and lovely oh I just feel joy So beautiful Interviewer: Yes sir Now you might be going to church and on the way to church you had a flat tire you'd say uh 748: Well I I hate having this flat tire I'm going to look like I Interviewer: #1 Church will be over # 748: #2 {X} # Yeah church will be maybe over when I get there Interviewer: Church is going to be over 748: It's going to be over and I'll miss the start but I I don't mean actually on time Interviewer: Yeah the enemy and the opposite of God is called 748: The devil Interviewer: #1 Okay when you # 748: #2 Satan # Interviewer: Yeah any other names for him they call him 748: Let me see Interviewer: #1 Old scratch # 748: #2 the Devil # Satan uh Interviewer: Old scratch you ever hear that 748: Uh I've heard that and I've read it too Interviewer: Do you ever talk about a fellow who maybe when you were a kid if you didn't behave this guy was going to get you #1 the who was gonna get you # 748: #2 well # If you don't behave yourselves the devil is going to get you Interviewer: Or okay or the boo- 748: The boogeyman Interviewer: Boogeyman is he the same thing as the devil or 748: Well I don't know {NW} I think so that that was a mere just just Interviewer: Yeah when you go by when you go by a kind of a place at night maybe and they say it's got what in it it's got all them things that are white maybe or some of them are all sort of different maybe some of them what is it they think they see around a graveyard 748: Well now in a graveyard well I see lots of Flowers Go out go by this flower place I see lots of flowers Interviewer: What about at night 748: Well at night Interviewer: It would frighten 748: Well at night of course now if I go by a place like that If it don't have no lights I don't see the flower Interviewer: Yeah 748: They don't have it lit up But if it's lit up I see them Interviewer: Yeah 748: But if it's lit up I can see them at night Interviewer: Around a graveyard at night 748: Well a graveyard at night well You can't just see nothing Maybe maybe you maybe you it's on the tombstones oh and that's all just all Interviewer: Yeah what might folks see there them white things that would float around at night 748: Well uh Interviewer: {NW} 748: You might see a hand {NW} A spirit Interviewer: Yeah any other names for them folks call them 748: Either spirit Hands And a ghost Interviewer: Ghost yeah 748: Oo Interviewer: #1 and now you # 748: #2 ghost # Interviewer: what about those places that that uh them old houses that were back in the woods folks folks wouldn't go to them they'd say they were 748: Were haunted Interviewer: Haunted 748: {NW} I thought you said haunt Somebody died in there Interviewer: Have you ever had anything like that happen to you 748: No Interviewer: Now you might say often when I go to sleep I 748: Only only this now now now like listen {NS} If I said telling somebody {NW} I've heard some rackets around this house I've even One or two nights {X} {NW} {X} I guess something look like I'm tapping I got up and went around and looked all around the house and never see anything Didn't see nothing Tell you Interviewer: But you thought you heard 748: A spirit I just say a spirit Interviewer: It must have been 748: It must have been a hand or a spirit sometimes let me tell you another thing if somebody died well I'd say it must have been so and so's Spirit Interviewer: Yeah 748: Like {NW} Just like that uh bumping well it's a clang with them dishes I was going back there Interviewer: Yeah 748: I hear bop {X} {NW} I'll tell you what I just said I said {X} Mister {B} I said I apologize and to your wife. Paid him the money for it {NW} I let him know That went {NW} All the way that thing back yonder Interviewer: Yeah somebody say you didn't hear nothing and you might say thought I heard s- 748: Well somebody might say to me yeah but I {X} rackets {NS} Interviewer: #1 They'd say # 748: #2 {X} # Most everybody else boy that racket but but when it comes to seeing things everybody would see them Interviewer: Yeah 748: Everybody sees {NS} Spirits Interviewer: They'd say I think I heard 748: Yeah I think I heard something I heard a Curious noise I wonder what it was Interviewer: I think I heard heard something 748: Yes Interviewer: Okay um now uh let's see somebody might give you a choice of doing two things and you'd tell him which one you you'd say uh somebody gave you a choice 748: Well I'd say uh Interviewer: Well one 748: Well I tell you what I'll just take this one Interviewer: This is the one I 748: Uh uh uh uh I I make a choi- uh choose Interviewer: Yeah 748: Just like that second chair in there that That chair there I thought I thought I'd sit down and lean back In there Uh a white friend of mine {NS} Heard me calling over this buy and sell program {X} So and so got something to sell so and so bought {NW} And she heard my voice she said I knew that man's voice She even got the telephone book Showed that it was {NW} But she happened to be because she had sold something through that Medium you see {NW} And she knew where there was three chairs She said man {NS} You go down and pick you up you get whatever you want Go down and look at them see if there's any one you like I did went there and I picked out one I want two {X} Oh that pretty sofa {X} {NW} Were just like that sitting that just like sitting there like {NW} Well I'll choose that kind of chair Interviewer: She gave 748: The cheapest now it's the cheapest but I didn't choose it because it was cheap {NW} Because I I choosed {NW} Because I knew this in my condition I could keep it cleaned up better {NW} {X} I just wipe it off All I got to do just wipe it off so I made the choice of that one She bought it and give it to me Interviewer: She 748: I had I had my choice either one or three of them But I choose that one {NS} Interviewer: Uh 748: I can sit down {NS} {NW} {NS} {NW} {NS} Interviewer: Now {NS} You might you say okay I have if I had your choice might say but I 748: I'll choose this one I like this one better I'll take or I'll take this Interviewer: That one's nice but I 748: I might say I'll take this one {NS} Interviewer: Or or somebody might ask you to go to town you say I'll go if you insist but I but 748: Well uh Person asked me to go to town Interviewer: If you insist I will but I 748: I'm not particular about going Interviewer: I'd r- 748: but I'll tell you if you uh Interviewer: I'd 748: Just insist on on me going I I will go along Interviewer: But I 748: I'll go with you Interviewer: But I what I I would you say I would 748: All I know to say is just say yes I'll go Interviewer: But I'd r- 748: Rather stay Interviewer: Rather stay 748: I have went I have went to places that uh Course folks ask me to go {NS} And uh I went on and some some of the places I went I'm glad I went and some of them {X} Interviewer: Okay now you might you might go outside and uh and you might say you might come back in you'd say oh you better put a sweater on it's getting 748: Well Interviewer: Getting right 748: Or I'd just say if I go outside then I'd realize oh it's chilly out there I didn't know it When I went to go to church on Sunday {X} {NS} And I got out there and I said I want to have my old coat on but I didn't Interviewer: Well you say it's getting uh it's getting r- 748: Well it's getting getting it's it's getting it's getting cold Interviewer: #1 It's getting # 748: #2 Cool # Cool Interviewer: You say oh it's getting rather 748: Uh cool cooler than I thought Interviewer: Hmm 748: Cooler than I thought it was Interviewer: It's getting what r- 748: Just getting cold all I #1 know # Interviewer: #2 Rather cold # 748: Yeah Interviewer: Huh 748: Yes and I would say cold all I know Interviewer: Okay uh now if somebody had a thousand acres of land you'd say they had how much land it's like boy he's got a what of land 748: Well I'd just say he's sure got a lot of land Interviewer: A right a r- 748: Uh a big a big big plot of land all I know to say Interviewer: He's got a right a right what of land a right 748: Well a right Big Right big spot of land is all I know how to say it Interviewer: Right smart of land 748: Mm-hmm Interviewer: That's a lot would you ever say something caused a right smart of pain 748: Well a right smart and I'd say well it didn't cost me so much Interviewer: Yeah okay um now uh when you meet somebody on the street what would you say to them 748: {NW} Well that depends Interviewer: Why what if they were a friend 748: Uh Interviewer: What what might you ask him 748: Well sometimes well I just Ask them how you're feeling Interviewer: Okay 748: Hello there how you feeling? {X} Interviewer: Or if you're introduced to a stranger 748: Well If I've been I'm proud to meet you Interviewer: Okay and uh somebody was leaving and you've enjoyed their visit you might say 748: I'm sorry to see you go Interviewer: Won't you come 748: Come back again Interviewer: Come back again uh or a bunch of friends were leaving your house and you might say well 748: {NS} Well I'm just proud y'all come Interviewer: Yeah 748: Proud y'all come to the come back again proud you come here Interviewer: Okay um now what when you meet somebody around the twenty-fifth of December what do you say to him 748: Well meet somebody {X} Uh well Christmas is almost here Maybe sometimes say that or maybe sometimes say well Uh {NS} Holidays is almost here and then sometimes I say this I say well Uh That old day that our savior was born is right here by us again Interviewer: Okay would you say anything any by way of you know say anything to him like it's Christmas day you see somebody on the street what would you say to him what would you say to a child 748: Well I'd just say maybe a Christmas gift I'd say that Interviewer: Would that be just a joke with them 748: Yeah just a joke Interviewer: Okay or would you ever say anything else to a child you might say 748: Well Interviewer: Me- 748: I would say well {X} Christmas and then I'll give a child something Interviewer: Merry 748: Merry Christmas Interviewer: Okay and then on the first of the year you'd say 748: {NW} well Happy new year to you Interviewer: Or would you ever say new years 748: New years gift Interviewer: New year's gift 748: on New year's day on new year's gift yeah Interviewer: What would you say to somebody by way of appreciation to them 748: Well by way of I sure do thank you Interviewer: I'm much 748: I'm so much I'm highly pleased so I sure thank you so much for what you've done Interviewer: Or I'm much much 748: Appreciated Interviewer: Much obli- much 748: Oh I'm much obliged yeah well that's said I'll say that too much obliged Interviewer: Now some people don't want to take any any kind of charity or anything do they because they don't want to be what to other people 748: Well said won't take no charity because they don't want to do what the other people Interviewer: They don't want to be 748: Well I'll tell you Uh Interviewer: I don't care to be what 748: Well in other words {NS} I don't care to be for people to think I'm going around think I'm in need Interviewer: Don't care to be 748: And and listen listen listen listen Another thing {NS} Some folks don't want to take it And some same folk come around here if they can't they steal it {NS} They don't Uh {NS} See nobody giving them nothing won't take what nobody give them that somebody's given them Interviewer: Yeah they don't want to be what to other people 748: Don't want to be appreciative Interviewer: Don't want to be beh- 748: Beholden to nobody Interviewer: Yeah um when you went in the store to the store would the would the storekeeper ever give you something and say it was for say it was for what 748: Well I've had folks give me pieces I've had people oh they'll tell you Uh here ge-ge- Here's a sample Like I went in the store some time {NW} They had little little bit of cake a little bit of pie or something like that they're advertising {NW} And they Here take a here get get you a sample it's a sample take it Interviewer: #1 Yeah or a free they give a free # 748: #2 Yeah yeah # A free gift a sample something Interviewer: Lagniappe or you ever hear that 748: What's that Interviewer: You ever hear of lagniappe or 748: I don't know about that Interviewer: {X} Pile on they just give it to you for a pile on 748: I don't know about that Interviewer: Okay uh now when you took a piece when you made a purchase now the store keeper took a piece of paper and he 748: Well he uh #1 Well I'd use # Interviewer: #2 He'd put the purchase in the paper and he # 748: Well I just he showed me uh Wrapped it up nice or he Interviewer: Okay and when you got home you 748: Just opened it up Interviewer: You 'un- you 748: Unfolded it Interviewer: Okay uh now say a store keeper sold something for two fifty and he bought it for three dollars you'd say he was selling it 748: Cheaper than he bought it Interviewer: #1 He was he was selling it # 748: #2 In other words he # he's selling for less than what he paid for Interviewer: At a what at a he was taking a what on him 748: Well he just Interviewer: Taking a lo- 748: A loss {NS} On his own sale for item for sale Interviewer: Okay now you might admire this tractor or something like that but you might say well I don't think I can buy it because I don't have enough money you'd say 748: Well I said that sometime I Interviewer: It just what it 748: Well I I I I admire it all right Interviewer: But 748: Say it this way sometimes I don't have the money and sometimes I don't Uh {NS} I couldn't use it I could need it I've seen things I need but {NS} Uh there's things I need I can't use like I need a car but I couldn't use it Interviewer: Yeah 748: {NW} Interviewer: Okay or you'd say honey that uh that tractor just uh 748: Well it sure is a good looking tractor but I just Interviewer: But it what it 748: Uh it Interviewer: It's 748: It's a good looking tractor or I'd love to have it sometimes I just well I'd love to have it but I just don't think I can use it after I got it {NW} Or I can't pay the price for it Interviewer: Why couldn't you pay the price because it 748: Ain't got the money too high Interviewer: It cost 748: It costs too much {NS} Interviewer: Uh now um on the first of the month the bill is 748: Well {NW} Interviewer: First of the month is when the bill is 748: First of the month They send out a due bill I call that a well I'm gonna tell you what I call I call that a done but it isn't it's just a notice to Time to pay your bill Interviewer: The bill is 748: Due it's due Interviewer: Yeah do you belong to any clubs 748: What's that Interviewer: You belong to any clubs or anything 748: No I don't Interviewer: Did you ever belong to a club of any sort 748: No I don't {NS} {X} Interviewer: That that sort of thing now when you belong to a club to stay in good standing you have to pay your monthly 748: Well you pay your monthly dues {NS} Interviewer: Yeah 748: Pay to get in there and then pay a due to stay in there {NW} Interviewer: That's a mad thing 748: You bet it is {NS} Interviewer: #1 Uh # 748: #2 I pay the dues to get in there just like an insurance # {NS} I pay insurance {NS} File some insurance well {NS} Uh and so and says I had to pay to get in there I got to pay To stay in there Interviewer: Yeah 748: Got a daughter right now I pay her insurance because she {X} {NW} And I don't know what's going to happen to her and I know that's good insurance {NS} So I just pay I pay seventy-one dollars twice a year right now for her On her insurance {NS} Interviewer: Yeah 748: {X} Insurance takes uh leave her with life insurance {NS} I pay that for her because she {X} And uh I pay it just because she could get sick or something like that and have some protection because I do know She has been down and I know what that company's done for her {NW} First time I carried that Insurance paper to the To the hospital My wife Went to {X} At the hospital And uh I had never heard nobody say except the one that saw it that it's good insurance But I forget what that woman was called at one {X} and I showed her she said oh boy we got something good here {NS} That made me feel good you know That I was carrying a worthwhile insurance And and they did bill Everything they said they'd do they done it They do it Interviewer: Yeah now if you need to cut the grass say and you don't have a lawn mower 748: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 You # You might go over to your neighbors and and what 748: Well now I don't have a lawn mower I might go to the neighbor to try and borrow his mower Interviewer: Uh what about money 748: Well Interviewer: {NW} 748: I need a little money and I ain't got it I go to my neighbor somebody or some {NW} Lend you a dollar I'll lend you four or five dollars something like that Interviewer: Yeah 748: If I get out and ain't got none {NW} Because I have been there