Interviewer:  Now {NS}
748:  I've been so I could get whatever I needed {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  With or without the money. {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah {NS}
748:  Folks have enough confidence in them
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  to know if they're letting the health {X}
Interviewer:  Now
748:  Been that way ever since I was a
Interviewer:  But you might go to somebody and they'd say? Money is money is just I can't lend any money #1 money is #
748:  #2 Well I # yes I have I've had folks who do that. and I'll tell you one thing I had I had a man make me oh he just loved me. Oh brother Payton just loved me. {NS} And I know the nigger had plenty of money too. I had one time wondered I'd lend you fifteen dollars. Nigger didn't want none of 'em. {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS}
748:  And I'll tell you another thing about that money. {NS} I know the man that I had lent money lent money little money little money going to {X} that was back when times were hard. I was never really #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Times were hard # what do you mean?
748:  Oh well just times were hard couldn't make nothing couldn't get hardly get a hold of nothing.
Interviewer:  Money was?
748:  And and money was scarce and in other words I didn't have a way bank no money didn't have a job to make no money. Might've been plenty of money but I didn't have a way to get it. {NS} {X} {NS} I wasn't working and there were jobs I'd get at them. {NW} But this fellow I had lent him money several times. And I seen that man get some money and I said look I hadn't really cashed the check and I asked that man to lend me fifteen cents what I wanted fifteen {NW} I wanted to get me some cheese and crackers or saltine crackers cause of course back then when they eat {NW} you could take that money and get a good meal of those. You reckon he lent me that? No. {D: Need a dime on me money.} {NS} {NW} I've seen that. They are too tight and stingy.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Wouldn't even lend any money. Wouldn't even lend me I just just wanted fifteen cents now. Now nobody had the money. I'd just seen him cash a check. I I crossed out check you ain't crossed out. And he didn't do it. He just put his money in his pocket and walked on.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But I had lent him money before then and as I tell you that same man died owing me some money.
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
748:  #2 But I # lent him money after after he treated me that way. {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now somebody went swimming and they got caught in a whirlpool and they couldn't get out you'd say they got?
748:  Well all I could notice there then if you got someone couldn't get out.
Interviewer:  They got what?
748:  He just got drowned.
Interviewer:  About drowned him. Uh you might say uh after he went down for the third time he he did what? He?
748:  Well after he wents down the third time I'd just say he just sanked that's all I know to say.
Interviewer:  And he
748:  Cause he wasn't wasn't alive no more.
Interviewer:  He what he?
748:  He just uh all I know is just say he drowned.
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  Be honest with you.
Interviewer:  Uh or you might say I wasn't there uh I had gone for a walk and I didn't see him?
748:  Oh well in a case like that why
Interviewer:  I didn't see him what? #1 I didn't see? #
748:  #2 If that's the case # I didn't see him drown. {X} Has happened.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Or went down.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now when you saw something up a tree you might go over you went over to the tree and you did what you?
748:  Well if I seen something up a tree just like a squirrel
Interviewer:  So you went over to a tree and?
748:  I may go up to a tree and kind of shake the tree or {NW} maybe jack a limb or something like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Or you went over to the tree and?
748:  Uh I said shake a tree.
Interviewer:  Yeah or maybe?
748:  Or jack a limb.
Interviewer:  #1 You had to get up? #
748:  #2 Or climb it. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  You what?
748:  Climb it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  If I got something up there I wanted.
Interviewer:  I'll you'd say I went over to the tree and? Climb up the tree?
748:  Climb up the tree.
Interviewer:  Climb up the tree. Uh uh #1 okay. #
748:  #2 I say # I seen some grapes up a tree once and uh all these pretty grapes of a gum tree. Tall gum tree. {NW} And them grapes were way up yonder. I was a kid. And I clumb way up that tree but when I went to come down I stepped on a on a on a rotten limb. And that limb broke and I just fell right on out and as the Lord would have it I put the limb back. And the Lord and the Lord would as he would have it a a strong limb {X} tore up and I {D: I seen that} hadn't I'd've broke my neck. I never will forget that right up that road there. {NW} They're uh coming down you know coming down and I caught hold a a dead limb. You see and when I caught that dead limb you see why I just. {X} But as the good Lord would have it I crossed my legs up there and them other live limbs out caught my limb on that that's what saved me. {NS} {NW} {NW} {NS}
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  I've been in lots of accidents and things like that my. {X}
Interviewer:  Now uh talking about something you saw when you sleep you might say?
748:  Well I I'd just say well a dream. You know I dreamed. {X}
Interviewer:  But when I woke up I couldn't remember what I?
748:  well I been so uh I've yeah I've done that I've dreamed dreamed and then couldn't remember what it was in there.
Interviewer:  What you? #1 Couldn't remember #
748:  #2 Couldn't couldn't remember # what that dream was couldn't remember what my dream was.
Interviewer:  Couldn't remember what you?
748:  What I dreamt that's all I'd say.
Interviewer:  What you dreamt? Uh
748:  That's the way it was I forget what that old fellow was in the Bible he couldn't tell he'd dreamed something too. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  I can't call call him anyways.
Interviewer:  Or you might dream you were falling and right before you hit the ground you #1 I did what? #
748:  #2 I # I woke up.
Interviewer:  I woke up? Yeah.
748:  Woke up.
Interviewer:  Um now if somebody came in the room and they were doing this you'd say they were doing they were you'd tell 'em don't?
748:  I well I'd tell 'em said I'd say don't I said be be quiet don't stomp all over the floor.
Interviewer:  Quit stomping around like that.
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Quit stomping around like that. {NS} That sort of thing. {NS} Um now if you were out back say and you were at the barn and you needed a hammer or something you'd say to one of your boys what would you say? Run?
748:  Well I'd say call 'em by name bring me the hammer.
Interviewer:  Run or run?
748:  Well I'd sometimes say run with that run bring it and uh sometimes I'd just say bring it.
Interviewer:  Uh and he was with you you know? And uh you'd say run fetch run anything else?
748:  Well some I hardly tell him to run I just say {X}
Interviewer:  #1 Go? #
748:  #2 {X} # tell him to go
Interviewer:  Go #1 go fetch the hammer. #
748:  #2 and uh # Get me so-and-so. Now I don't said run I'd just say go
Interviewer:  Go fetch #1 that? #
748:  #2 Or if he's #
748:  or if he's in the house when I call him I'd say please bring that or bring me or please bring me.
Interviewer:  And so he?
748:  Bring it.
Interviewer:  He'd bring it to you. Okay. Uh now you were talking with somebody on the phone and and you might say uh I'll meet you in town uh if I get there first I'll?
748:  Well I'll tell you if I get there first
Interviewer:  #1 I'll wait? #
748:  #2 I'll wait on you at such and such a place. #
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh now to a child who was uh {C: clock chiming} {NS} who had been nasty to you you might say uh he might say you wouldn't give him with him you might say he'd say #1 oh please just? #
748:  #2 Well I'd just say he just # so disobedient that's all I know to say.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Say you had a man working for you and you were gonna fire him cause he wasn't working hard enough. You'd say oh.
748:  He's lazy.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I'd just say he's lazy.
Interviewer:  You'd say to him he'd say please just give me one more?
748:  I I'll tell you what I'd say I'd say he's lazy and I'd {NW} the other thing I'd say he he want something to earn for nothing.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And he'd say oh just give me one more? Just please give me another? Another what another?
748:  Well another chance.
Interviewer:  Yeah. But you you wouldn't get you might say or a a kind of a salesman say an insurance salesman who was hanging around your house all the time {NS} you'd say boy I just wanna get I wanna get what {X} I'd like to get?
748:  Well I'll tell you he can go ahead and go on and I'll say well I I have something too I said well I don't know if you need to come back here no more.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I'd just like to get what? Get? {NS}
748:  Well I'd just I'll uh say just like get {X} but I'd just tell him you know I'd say well uh you needn't come back here worrying about that no more. Cause I don't want it. I'm not gonna buy it and I'm not gonna pay it.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh now a smart aleck uh somebody like that you'd say he didn't know what was going on but he? He what he?
748:  #1 Well um. #
Interviewer:  #2 He # he tried to make others think he did he?
748:  Well I'll tell you {NS} smart aleck is just {NW} in other words I'd just call them folks thinking no think you don't know nothing and that they got more sense than you got.
Interviewer:  Yeah and they do what they make? They?
748:  Need to try to make light of you.
Interviewer:  Yeah. They don't know what was going they don't know what's going on but they? They what they?
748:  Well I I and I'm gonna tell you the reason I said they don't know know what's going and don't don't wanna try to find out what's going on. What's same find out what's going on and you know what you're doing.
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 they just what? #
748:  #2 It's like # it's like two people. If like two people sit have a fuss like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well there's always a cause for anything. Uh some folks uh you'll take it up with them and just let let them and never say nothing about that other
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  See? {D: Which is a fault.} Find out where the trouble is.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Between the two people and then talk.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Then find out it may be your best friend may've been in the in the big fault.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Somebody you didn't care too much about. {NW} May be just a. {X} Cause this ain't gonna let let now I'll check that away.
Interviewer:  What is it?
748:  Well uh uh uh
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 dissatisfaction # a little dissatis- #1 going in my own and uh and and #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. Alright. #
748:  what started this one some things start and they ain't satis- ain't satisfactory and they just wanna blame one side for it. Just blame this one this one over here and that'd be clear. Go and talk about it wouldn't never talk oh two-two of the {X} would've been done if it hadn't been for old so-and-so.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But you don't know that the other fellow might've been. to be his fault.
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  Get the foundation.
Interviewer:  Now uh you might say somebody didn't know what was going on but they? They did what they?
748:  Well they just uh well they didn't know where they were going cause they just didn't want to fool with it that's why.
Interviewer:  They didn't know what was going on but they?
748:  They definitely didn't want to fool with it and have them #1 do it #
Interviewer:  #2 They they did know # not know what was going on?
748:  Well they did not know.
Interviewer:  But they bl- blanked like they knew it all you'd say they?
748:  Well if they didn't know what is going on.
Interviewer:  But they blanked like they knew it all they say they?
748:  Well here.
Interviewer:  They did what they? He didn't know what was going on but he sure?
748:  He acted like he did that's all I know #1 I know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  Okay um a boy left his pencil on a desk he came back later and after school was out he said somebody must've?
748:  Stole my pencil.
Interviewer:  Okay any other ways of saying that? Look look at here somebody done pulled a prank on me and?
748:  Well sometimes you'd say and some boys with some I'd just say somebody moved the pencil.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Just like a man once left his watch at a regular school uh laying on a desk. And when he come in in fact that was a kind of a test that's the only test that man kinda put me through there he left his watch on that desk for a purpose. I mean on that on that on that pew for a purpose. Me cleaning up I found it. When I found it I took it and put it in his desk and he comes in man I can't find my watch. I said I'll tell you what you I said go look at your desk and when he went on back and got it. I'll tell you I'll come there come up. There'd been some stealing going on around there. I didn't do that.
Interviewer:  Somebody had thieved it?
748:  Somebody and I not that one but somebody had done some stealing around there.
Interviewer:  They'd thieved it?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Filched it?
748:  I said stoled something. See? There'd been some money stole there. {NW} And this fella'd heard about it. And so he thought he'd test me out see what I steal that way he's checking out a steal. Left his left his watch laying on the desk you know. On on the on on a pew course there'd been a ball game at that pew. And he cleaned up I found it when I found it I just took it up there and put it in his desk. That I must {X} put it in his desk When he when he comes around to ask about it why I said I told him {X} you know?
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 He never did # see he never did act like going {NW} saying with it'd been been plenty of other stealing now that he didn't come to me with. I'll tell you another thing I've seen a man once I was working for a man. Me and another boy was digging up an old stump. Back then {X} on me. This fella's come back there and once {X} and looked at me on some {NS} one time I come back and there's a there's a cigar a laying down there. {NW} Come back that cigar and see it laying there. {X} He didn't leave no money now but some of them left something there. Had a while he'd pick it up pick the money you know then put it down. {NS} He was testing us niggers out to see what we steal. He had thought we'd steal anything. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Now did you send any letters to people?
748:  What was that?
Interviewer:  Send letters to anybody #1 you know? #
748:  #2 I write to folks. #
Interviewer:  You what?
748:  I write to folks Write them a letter.
Interviewer:  When you were younger did you?
748:  Yeah when I was young I'd write I write them now cause I'd been on some letters yesterday.
Interviewer:  You yesterday you?
748:  Mailed a letter.
Interviewer:  You mailed it?
748:  Yeah I mailed it. Put it to the mailbox.
Interviewer:  When did you when did you write it?
748:  Well I wrote it {D: like four days.}
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  But I wanted it to go off our mailman comes now in the morning and I called over after told him to send some kid over here to get it #1 Put the mailbox. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah? #
748:  I wrote it the night before last and I wanted it to go off yesterday morning and I called that kid over here to come get the letter and put it in the box
Interviewer:  Now are you gonna are you expect to you do you expect them to the person you wrote that letter you expect them to write you back?
748:  Well I hope to yes
Interviewer:  you hope they'll
748:  yeah I hope they will
Interviewer:  hope they'll what?
748:  go on to tell me my {X} I was writing it yeah about my son and I want to them to let me know.
Interviewer:  And you hope they'll
748:  I hope they'll answer.
Interviewer:  okay. #1 um #
748:  #2 on the Friday night # I told them listen I said I got a telephone. Call me anytime you want to click
Interviewer:  Do they do they know your do they have your to write you back do they have your
748:  yeah they have my address have a phone number.
Interviewer:  okay.
748:  cause like my daughter {X} wasn't wasn't the one that she got uh she these two ladies were {NW} uh high cost of living and next thing about it is don't know how to spend a lot of folks got money and don't know how to spend it.
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  {D: but they own many things}
Interviewer:  yeah. Now you put the letter in an envelope then you take your
748:  seal it up you seal it up to fit take uh seal it up
Interviewer:  you take your what take your
748:  well most times I just take my tongue {X} {D: do that there} seal it up.
Interviewer:  well you take your your
748:  well to put a stamp on it.
Interviewer:  This is a what?
748:  Well that's a pencil.
Interviewer:  this is a uh no this is a #1 a {X} #
748:  #2 {X} # yeah I put my address on it
Interviewer:  #1 this is a writing what? #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 what #
748:  #2 {X} # and and who I want to send to
Interviewer:  this isn't a pencil this is a writing this is a ball point
748:  well my pen or whatever you call it
Interviewer:  #1 pen #
748:  #2 pen or pencil # and write that address and write that name who I want that letter to go to.
Interviewer:  you say you doing what #1 you're you take the #
748:  #2 well I'm backing it #
Interviewer:  backing it? Address
748:  uh backing the the address putting on there who I put on there who it's from
Interviewer:  #1 okay #
748:  #2 then # who it's from then who it's to
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  you see
Interviewer:  #1 okay #
748:  #2 so the # so the letter don't they don't get it the letter's supposed to come back to me.
Interviewer:  alright. What do you what do you use to to to uh fix the baby's diaper with?
748:  A safety pin
Interviewer:  #1 safety pin #
748:  #2 what we used to use # that's all we know to use
Interviewer:  okay now um the the roof of that house of your barn over there is made out of what?
748:  well uh that old house is just it's just made out of well tell you I got some tin on that one out there
Interviewer:  okay uh
748:  {X} #1 tin tin or tin #
Interviewer:  #2 uh # okay. now if a child had learned something surprising you might say to him say a child had learned how to cuss or something like that you might say who who what who
748:  well children can surprise you I heard a man say once that a child could teach another one I know better um sometimes a child do something that you didn't think he knowed how to do.
Interviewer:  and you'd ask
748:  something that uh you'd never seen him do you didn't think he knowed how to do you haven't told him how to do it
Interviewer:  #1 and you'd ask #
748:  #2 well sometimes yeah # how'd he find that out?
Interviewer:  or who who what
748:  I just who told you that or who showed you that
Interviewer:  okay
748:  see that that's all I know
Interviewer:  who learned you that?
748:  yeah who showed you that or who told you that that's the way I use it.
Interviewer:  okay.
748:  I didn't I hardly put it who learned you I just say who {NW} who told you or who showed you
Interviewer:  okay. and uh now if a if a child had a child did something was always running and telling on other people you'd say they were a what
748:  lying they're running around lying
Interviewer:  #1 they were always going to their mommy #
748:  #2 lying and getting in other folk's business lying #
Interviewer:  Being a what being a
748:  tattle
Interviewer:  tattle? okay now what about a woman who would get on the phone and uh and she would just she would always she'd always talk to other people about folks in the neighborhood you call her a call her a what
748:  well I just call her a
Interviewer:  go- uh
748:  just a a gossiper I'd call her a tattle I'd call her a gossiper. #1 and uh #
Interviewer:  #2 okay #
748:  and sometimes just call her a just say like this you run of the mouth
Interviewer:  yeah uh {NS} what would a tattle mean the same thing as a gossip?
748:  well {NS} in a way in in in a way {X} tattling
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  well I'd say it can
Interviewer:  you ever use that
748:  you you you you carry that around around gossip is just I'm talking to you of course
Interviewer:  okay would you ever talk would you ever use a tattle about an adult? you ever say an adult was a tattler?
748:  yes I would say that an adult is a tattle just like I would say uh children tattle I have said that yes and always messing with someone else's business
Interviewer:  now what would you give a child something to play with?
748:  well that depends now as whole lot of different things you can give a child to play with
Interviewer:  just a you'd say you just give them a what #1 just a uh #
748:  #2 well # try to get him get him just {D: think of it this way} uh just give him a give him a doll.
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  play with it. just make it {X} just give him a doll.
Interviewer:  yeah. Back in your days you didn't have a lot of play
748:  didn't have a lot of playthings you know didn't have a lot of playthings. just you know
Interviewer:  Call it a play pretty?
748:  yeah sometimes yeah play pretty play pretty
Interviewer:  what's a play pretty?
748:  well a little play pretty is just something that all you do is play on it that's all it is it's it's not to be used for nothing else of course it won't serve for no other purpose than to just to have it around period.
Interviewer:  {NW} what might what might play pretty include?
748:  what's that?
Interviewer:  What might a play pretty be? What might it include?
748:  well it can include a lot of things now I'll tell you what if for
Interviewer:  #1 would that be the thing as #
748:  #2 if uh # if uh
Interviewer:  would that be the same thing as a toy?
748:  if I was a I give give a child I'd give him a lot of little toys any kind of toys marbles anything
Interviewer:  what about a gun? A toy gun?
748:  well that ain't a play well a toy gun I'd call that a play toy too too I thought you mean were meaning a main gun {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS}
748:  a toy gun.
Interviewer:  yeah.
Interviewer:  um uh now you might say if the highway department was out here working on the road you might say you couldn't get anywhere because the road was all
748:  all blocked.
Interviewer:  was all tore up
748:  well I just say it's all blocked up because it's tore
Interviewer:  tore up
748:  tore up or blocked.
Interviewer:  okay. Tore up. uh okay now um {NS} if you didn't know the answer to a question you went and you you either looked it up or you
748:  well I'll tell you about me if I don't know the answer something about the uh I don't know I try to look it up and see if I could find it and then sometimes I've asked somebody that I think do know just like uh just like Phillip would just like that {X} would go and ask Phillip.
Interviewer:  When he what?
748:  When that {X} when he asked Phillip. When he was going out on the chariot reading now
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  and uh and uh Phillip didn't know he was one of the disciples. and uh he was riding on his chariot reading about it he uh leaded the lambs of slaughter and done before his shift he was just what is that? He asked Phillip what was it. And uh had Phillip to go up in the chariot with him. had Phillip go up in there and explain to him Jesus Christ and his purpose in the world and what he'd come here for. That man become converted in the record he said look at here here's some water right here you can baptize me now with that one {NW}
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  Yeah I believe you can baptize me right now
Interviewer:  yeah now if there was a if there was a the teacher came in the morning and there was a funny picture on the blackboard she'd say who
748:  well uh
Interviewer:  who what who somebody
748:  well uh would say whose picture is this
Interviewer:  or who who did who did what
748:  uh whose picture this uh
Interviewer:  what do you mean who who whose picture is it
748:  uh whose picture is it what they do just like I go down in {X} store I look in {X} store I look up there I go inside {X}'s picture up on the wall. One of the best friends I ever had.
Interviewer:  yeah. Say that
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  yeah. Say uh say there was a the teacher came in the room and the children were all in the room and somebody had made a funny picture on the door they'd say who she'd say who
748:  well who drawed this mess up here on this wall
Interviewer:  okay.
748:  that's what I'd say.
Interviewer:  Alright. now if you had to get a heavy piece of machinery somewhere you'd take a pulley maybe and you'd you'd put a rope around it and you'd you'd say you do a what
748:  #1 you #
Interviewer:  #2 you #
748:  you pulled it up
Interviewer:  ho- you uh
748:  pulled it up or.
Interviewer:  hoist?
748:  pull it pull it up or around it
Interviewer:  yeah you ever hear of heist something up?
748:  yeah but heard of heist it up too I think they're about the same thing but I just say pull it up.
Interviewer:  okay. now um on a day like today you might look up in the sky and you might say boy I don't like the look of them black
748:  them black clouds
Interviewer:  yeah it looks like it's going to be a #1 what kind of #
748:  #2 be a storm #
Interviewer:  yeah what kind of day?
748:  just say a stormy day.
Interviewer:  yeah a day like yesterday what kind of day did we have yesterday?
748:  well a pleasant day.
Interviewer:  pleasant day? okay. now {NS} on a day when the sun's not out and the you know the the clouds are all in the sky and say it's rainy or something like that you say it's a it's a what kind of day? It's
748:  well I just say this is a dreary day the way I'd say it
Interviewer:  dreary day okay and uh now you might say the weather's been nice and then the clouds start gathering and uh and the the the the clouds are getting thicker and thicker and uh you figure it might be going to rain or something and the wind might change directions and you say the weather is
748:  changing
Interviewer:  the weather is what?
748:  I just say the weather is changeable.
Interviewer:  changeable okay now then it's been cloudy and rainy and then the clouds pull away and the and the sun comes out you say uh the weather is
748:  clearing up
Interviewer:  clearing up. okay uh now when you have a lot of rain and a little time
748:  well
Interviewer:  #1 you say #
748:  #2 uh #
Interviewer:  we had a regular
748:  pouring rain I say well this is a rainy season I can't get to do much rainy season.
Interviewer:  you you see a friend having you say a well Mr. {X} I was out of town yesterday how was the weather here and you say woo boy we had a regular
748:  yeah I say this #1 we had a pretty day out #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
748:  I just say a pr a a pretty day and if it's a bad day I say well it's kind of a bad day today
Interviewer:  we're talking about a lot of rain yesterday you say boy we had a regular
748:  well a regular rainy spell.
Interviewer:  a regular yesterday we had we had a regular what? A regular
748:  we just had a pour down.
Interviewer:  pour down. okay any other names for it you might say? you might have a what a
748:  well
Interviewer:  debt rain? or a
748:  uh well
Interviewer:  a trash?
748:  I just say a big rain that's all I say.
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  a trash lifter.
Interviewer:  trash lifter?
748:  that's right.
Interviewer:  fog strangler?
Interviewer:  now if you had a lot of {NW} with you know you say you had a what
748:  well thunders.
Interviewer:  what if you had a lot of popping and
748:  lightning.
Interviewer:  lightning with it you say you had a what kind you had a what
748:  a lightning day
Interviewer:  a lightning day?
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  you had a
748:  thunder and lightning that's all I know to say.
Interviewer:  if that was mixed in with the rain you say you had a what?
748:  well I call it a well I just say all I know is just say just a
Interviewer:  l
748:  really
Interviewer:  l
748:  electric day
Interviewer:  electric
748:  day
Interviewer:  electric day? electric day?
748:  yeah.
Interviewer:  electric storm?
748:  yeah we could say electric storm or whatever you want to call it.
Interviewer:  Do you ever get any bad winds here?
748:  get what?
Interviewer:  get any bad winds here?
748:  bad winds. Sure there's some pretty bad winds here.
Interviewer:  has it ever done any damage?
748:  what?
Interviewer:  ever done any damage to you?
748:  no I've never been {X} damage from the wind. Biggest thing ever I had maybe just blow a few sha- uh blow a few tins over the house I've never had no bad wind here
Interviewer:  they did what?
748:  I've never had no bad wind here to blow the whole house down or nothing like that maybe maybe just blow a few little cover over tin cover over the house at this place. since I've been here {D: in El Dorado.}
Interviewer:  When was that? The wind did what? It the wind
748:  well I just said
748:  well the it blowed the blowed some of the top off of my house. That's all I can say. {D: Little damage.}
Interviewer:  yeah but I bet that it's probably has back in the past it has really come through and has probably you might say in the past the wind has
748:  had changed. Or it ain't like it used to be or something like that.
Interviewer:  It has what? It has bl- uh. It has bl- talking about the wind blowing you say in the past it has today's not a not a bad windy day but in the past it has
748:  well uh I just say uh more severe or something like that is what I know to say.
Interviewer:  it has what? Bl-
748:  no no bl-- something like that
Interviewer:  It is blow
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  what in the past? It has blowed a lot harder?
748:  Well all I know is just say well the hard winds since this day they ain't blowing so hard.
Interviewer:  yeah but in in the past it has
748:  in the past all the other words I've seen it worse than this.
Interviewer:  it has what? It has
748:  uh blow more more worse than this that's all I know to say
Interviewer:  okay. now if the wind is coming that way you say the wind
748:  well if wind's coming from that way I just well the wind is coming from the south. South wind.
Interviewer:  okay. uh if it's coming from
748:  well I say west wind or east wind or north wind. {NW}
Interviewer:  okay. or what if it's coming between the south and the west? #1 you say #
748:  #2 northeast and southeast # or something like that or uh uh northeast or southwest southeast or southwest
Interviewer:  okay um now if it's raining but it's not raining very hard you say you're just having a what
748:  a light rain that's all I say
Interviewer:  what kind of rain is good for the farmers?
748:  well just a medium rain.
Interviewer:  well what's
748:  a washer with just a just a just a just a steady rain {X}
Interviewer:  just a {NW} just a
748:  steady just a steady little pour down. I would
Interviewer:  shower?
748:  {NW} washer something like that not {X} just a medium rain.
Interviewer:  We didn't have a bad rain to today we just had a what
748:  well we had a
Interviewer:  we were supposed to have a few
748:  today but we have a not a pleasant day but we didn't have a bad rain today I just say a little rain and then we had a bad rain. {NS}
Interviewer:  yeah. you ever been going down the road and you just got kind of a kind of a tight rain that just barely even stays on you it's just kind of a a what? just a little what? {NS}
748:  {NW} you mean rain?
Interviewer:  yeah just a it's not a rain at all really it's just a
748:  little bit. well it's a a got a little damp and that rain
Interviewer:  we're just having a little what
748:  {NW}
748:  I just say we had a little rain uh
Interviewer:  we had a little mist uh
748:  yeah a mist yeah well say that too but I've seen what we call mist now
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  mist and rain. it's a little fine mist
Interviewer:  have you ever uh have you ever got up in the morning maybe and looked out and outside would be a the you couldn't see you'd say there was a
748:  fog a fog a yeah fog yeah
Interviewer:  you say there was a what over the land?
748:  well I just say a fog over the land that's all I know to say
Interviewer:  okay. now {D: Mister BT if you go a few weeks without rain} you say you're having a what?
748:  well we're having a dry {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Dry spell. #
Interviewer:  {NW} um now the wind has been very gentle. So it's been just kind of just breezy blowing
748:  just say well it's calmed down now.
Interviewer:  yeah. But it it the wind was calm and now it's what it's
748:  right done picked up again {NW}
Interviewer:  picked up okay uh now you might say there was a white coating on the ground last night it got cold enough to kill the tomatoes and everything you say we had a what
748:  a frost.
Interviewer:  frost?
748:  I say we had a frost
Interviewer:  uh and it got so cold the lake did what
748:  froze over
Interviewer:  yeah. but by the time I got out there had it had already the lake had already what
748:  just {X} melted
Interviewer:  it had done done done froze?
748:  {D: well froze or melting to get uh sometimes well I} {NS} sometimes froze and sometimes you see it again it's done melted up again {NS} warming up to melt down
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 keep # okay can I get you to count to twenty for me?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Count to twenty for me.
748:  Count to twenty?
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  oh one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen twenty.
Interviewer:  okay. uh now um the number after twenty six is
748:  after twenty six is uh is twenty seven.
Interviewer:  okay. after twenty nine is
748:  thirty.
Interviewer:  thirty nine?
748:  forty.
Interviewer:  uh {NS} okay sixty nine
748:  seventy.
Interviewer:  ninety nine
748:  a hundred.
Interviewer:  okay ten times a hundred is
748:  a thousand.
Interviewer:  okay. Ten times one hundred thousand is
748:  a million.
Interviewer:  okay. that's pretty good now if there are a bunch of men standing in line the man at the head of the line is the what man he's the
748:  well I well I wouldn't know what to say but he's the head man.
Interviewer:  the fir the say he's the what man the the first and then comes the
748:  second
Interviewer:  and then comes
748:  third fourth fifth sixth seventh #1 till the line fades out. #
Interviewer:  #2 after the seventh #
748:  till the line fades out
Interviewer:  well after the seventh comes the
748:  oh after the seven comes the eight.
Interviewer:  and then the
748:  and after eight comes the ninth
Interviewer:  and then
748:  after the ninth the tenth.
Interviewer:  okay.
Interviewer:  uh now sometimes you feel your good luck comes uh just a little at a time but your bad luck comes
748:  well
Interviewer:  when does your bad luck come? oh it just comes all
748:  well good luck and bad luck.
Interviewer:  your bad luck comes all
748:  well the bad luck comes um
Interviewer:  seems like it comes all
748:  well sometimes it looks like it comes all the time and sometimes it
Interviewer:  #1 all at once? #
748:  #2 bad luck or it # all at once or so often or something like that
Interviewer:  okay now now this year maybe you say you got twenty bushels of tomatoes. And then last year you only got ten bushels of tomatoes. So uh this year's crop was
748:  well you said five of that before the five less
Interviewer:  say say you got ten bushels of tomatoes last year
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  and you got twenty bushels
748:  well I just got got ten bushels more.
Interviewer:  okay so you got how much as
748:  twenty.
Interviewer:  so you got you got this year's crop was
748:  better than last year's I'd say
Interviewer:  how much better? twi-
748:  well it it {X}
Interviewer:  it was twi- it was what
748:  more profitable well that's all I know to say
Interviewer:  when?
748:  this year {X} last.
Interviewer:  okay. If you got ten last year and you got twenty this year you say you got
748:  well if I got ten this year and I got well I didn't as good of luck this year as I had last year
Interviewer:  no you got okay let's say you got twenty this year and you got ten last year so you got how much is much this year
748:  well if I got twenty this year and ten last year I just say well I got more this year than I did last year I got twenty this year
Interviewer:  how how much is much you'd say you got twi-
748:  what?
Interviewer:  you got how much is much? Twi-
748:  oh I say twice as much. Sometimes I have went for and said three times as much.
Interviewer:  okay. now can you give me the months of the year?
748:  yeah. January February March April May June July August September and September October November December
Interviewer:  okay.
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  can you name the um when you meet somebody early in the morning I mean early about eleven o clock in the daytime what do you say to them?
748:  well {X} any any anywhere before twelve o clock I'll say good morning.
Interviewer:  okay.
748:  anytime after twelve o clock I say good evening.
Interviewer:  okay. would you ever say somebody say you're leaving somebody's house maybe after supper? What would you say to them?
748:  good night.
Interviewer:  good night okay. Can you name the days of the week for me?
748:  sure I can. Jan uh Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday.
Interviewer:  they say honor the what day and keep it holy?
748:  the sabbath day. The seventh day.
Interviewer:  okay. um now on the farm if you want to be a good farmer you gotta start work before before when?
748:  well {NW} it depends on that now. You've got to {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 say it's #
748:  #2 well # I'll just have to put it this way have to have the pathway before the time comes.
Interviewer:  #1 if #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  if you start work before daylight you say we're starting work before
748:  well starting work
Interviewer:  #1 before when? #
748:  #2 just # just starting work before day.
Interviewer:  before sun
748:  before sun up.
Interviewer:  and we worked till sun
748:  sundown I have done that.
Interviewer:  okay. {NW} {NS} um {NS} now you might say uh when did uh we saw the sun we were out in the field and we saw the sun
748:  set. I've seen that after the sun set
Interviewer:  or we saw the sun
748:  sun rise.
Interviewer:  okay. Or you might say we were a little late this morning by the time we got out in the field the sun had
748:  sun went up. It went up.
Interviewer:  The sun had already
748:  already risen.
Interviewer:  sun had already risen. uh now today is Wednesday right?
748:  that's right
Interviewer:  so Tuesday was
748:  yesterday
Interviewer:  and Thursday will be
748:  tomorrow.
Interviewer:  okay if somebody came on Sunday the last Sunday uh to visit your house you say they came when?
748:  well they came last Sunday well so and so visited last Sunday.
Interviewer:  and if and what if he came a week earlier than last Sunday?
748:  #1 well #
Interviewer:  #2 he #
748:  come the week I'd say the Sunday before that.
Interviewer:  or Sunday week?
748:  well you come early I mean you come earlier you said you come last Sunday and then you come
Interviewer:  you came here when? Sunday week?
748:  Sunday week ago.
Interviewer:  okay.
748:  and uh then they begin to {X} and then I might say then again I might say well they came here Sunday was two weeks ago.
Interviewer:  yeah. now if he's going to leave next Sunday
748:  well
Interviewer:  what if he's going to leave a week beyond Sunday would be what?
748:  well I just say he leave uh next week.
Interviewer:  or Sunday
748:  next week out next week is all I know to say.
Interviewer:  and somebody stays at your house from the first to the fifteenth you'd say he stayed a what
748:  he he he just it's been half a month
Interviewer:  he stayed a
748:  all I know just say a half a month {NW} sometimes I say oh uh two weeks ain't quite half a month.
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  I might say say two weeks I might say say #1 fourteen days #
Interviewer:  #2 fortnight? # a fortnight?
748:  yeah. I never say that a fortnight.
Interviewer:  okay. now if you want to know the time of day you ask somebody what do you ask them?
748:  well I want to know what time it is what time is it?
Interviewer:  okay. or you might go up to somebody in the street and ask them anything else? uh what anything else you might ask them?
748:  well the street
Interviewer:  yeah. What time?
748:  well I might ask well what time is such and such thing happening or what time does I'm supposed to be such and such place what time such and such going to take place I might ask
Interviewer:  okay or you may have missed a speech somebody had and you say what #1 what would you ask somebody? #
748:  #2 I would say # well what what street is this or I missed my I missed my {X} I missed #1 I'm on the wrong street I missed I missed #
Interviewer:  #2 or #
748:  I missed the street I ought to take #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 now say # say somebody gave a speech or something like that and you you didn't hear the speech you might you weren't there somebody else was there and you were asking them about it you might say well what
748:  were they talking about? or talk subject?
Interviewer:  yeah talking about what this guy said you'd say what what a
748:  oh I know just say what what if you some say well well what was the subject? or what was the speech about?
Interviewer:  talking about what the guy said what would you ask somebody?
748:  well
Interviewer:  what all did he say?
748:  well I might say yeah what all did he say
Interviewer:  okay
748:  course that depends you know.
Interviewer:  okay. okay. now um {NS} if you've been doing something for a long time you might say I've been doing this for for what? for
748:  well I just say well I've been doing this for a long time
Interviewer:  for quite
748:  uh quite a while I might say.
Interviewer:  quite a while.
748:  them them two ways.
Interviewer:  #1 yeah. #
748:  #2 for # the same name.
Interviewer:  if something happened on this day last year you say it happened exactly #1 say #
748:  #2 well I just say # well this happened the same exactly the same day it did last year!
Interviewer:  or it happened when? Exactly a
748:  when well I'd say exactly the same way it did last year
Interviewer:  yeah
Interviewer:  say um something happened in in March last year when would you say it happened?
748:  well if something happened in March last year I'd say well this happened last year in March.
Interviewer:  and compared to now you say it happened a year
748:  well I'd say a year ago.
Interviewer:  okay. a year ago. Alright. uh now um if somebody if you were asking about a people people who had been in a party or in a church say you didn't get to go to church and they had an important meeting and you wanted to know you you'd ask
748:  what was going on or in other words tell me about that now.
Interviewer:  or who was there you'd ask somebody
748:  well I might ask well so and so {X} or so and so {X} something like that
Interviewer:  okay or who uh who all
748:  I'd ask just that who all was there I'd say
Interviewer:  #1 who all was there okay #
748:  #2 I wanted to know #
Interviewer:  uh now if if somebody's been at a party and started to leave you might ask them uh where are a bunch of people were leaving you might say where are
748:  well I I'd just say where are we going or why well maybe say why are you leaving so early
Interviewer:  where y'all going or?
748:  oh where you going or why you're leaving so early?
Interviewer:  okay um and uh something uh if something belongs to me you say
748:  I just say that's yours
Interviewer:  okay if it's if it belongs to both of us
748:  that's ours
Interviewer:  if it belongs to to them
748:  well that's theirs
Interviewer:  if it's belongs to him
748:  that's his
Interviewer:  and her?
748:  to her
Interviewer:  okay. belongs it's hers huh? now uh say you were suggesting a possibility somebody was suggesting a possibility of doing something with you and you might say uh well I'm not sure but I
748:  oh oh I I could say well I'll tell you who might do it but I'll just tell you who might do it I'll think to {X} about it I'm I'm not going to promise for sure I'll do it but I'll be here to do it
Interviewer:  uh somebody ask you say go to town tomorrow. And you might say well I think I'm going to be busy. I don't know whether I can but I I what I I
748:  I say well I will if I can get to it uh maybe uh I have I will {X}
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  I said uh if something's gonna happen
Interviewer:  I I might I what I would you say I might
748:  well I
Interviewer:  might what?
748:  might go
Interviewer:  uh somebody ask you about being able to to put up a fence you might say I'm not sure but I
748:  well I just well I just tell them I'll try that's what I
Interviewer:  yeah to guess if they suggested the possibility of of doing something for you say well I'm not sure but I
748:  well
Interviewer:  I what I
748:  well I think I can that's all I'd say I I can't I I I won't promise you but I think I can
Interviewer:  I might
748:  I might can
Interviewer:  might can okay. um somebody asks you to do something you might say no matter how many times you ask me to do that I
748:  well
Interviewer:  will he do it no I
748:  I will do it or I won't do it
Interviewer:  I won't do it okay um and you might say you're not doing what you
748:  promised to do what you said you would
Interviewer:  or somebody
748:  or what you ought to do
Interviewer:  what you ought to do. Okay um if a boy got a whipping you'd say I bet he did something he he what he
748:  {D: How you'd fix that?}
Interviewer:  He got a whipping he say #1 you must have done something #
748:  #2 he went and got a whipping # he must have done some mischief
Interviewer:  done something he ought
748:  ought not to do I I mischief is the same thing mischief or something uh
Interviewer:  okay
748:  or you ought not to done.
Interviewer:  now you might say that somebody I'll dare you to go through the graveyard at night but I'll bet you and I'll bet you you you what
748:  well {NW} well you I say I bet you see {D: your hands or something like that course now I believe in the hands} but uh everybody can't see hands
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  and uh so he said want to go out there tell him go on cause I haven't been to a grave been to a graveyard at night and I didn't see no hands.
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  passed by a graveyard tonight. two graves {D: all coming in} coming over this little {X} up there on that whatever those stools that had a like I tell you about they was gonna give that land to them he sold his land around that {X}? there {X}{D: there's a road right through the graveyard in other words there's {D: road over} {D: there's road} on this side going that on that side and I went along there several nights and I ain't see nothing.
Interviewer:  yeah but most people what they
748:  well a lot of folks see something and {X} once in a while I don't hear folks talking about seeing spirits and all that but they used to I don't know what {X} I don't know I mean I can't {X}{D: answer can't comment}
Interviewer:  talking about going through the graveyard you'd say they did what they
748:  well I say
Interviewer:  you might dare to but they they were dare they would
748:  well if they went through the graveyard they just went through it.
Interviewer:  they would they they what you were dared to go through it but they
748:  well I wouldn't know what to say there.
Interviewer:  they {D: dafted} they dare not? {D: or they dafted}
748:  well they da- uh they or or I say they they just wouldn't go. that's all I
Interviewer:  they dare not do it?
748:  yeah well I say they {NW} I wouldn't say they dare not do it because the reason I say wouldn't couldn't say I they dare not do it because uh I couldn't see if anything had hurt them or nothing like that {D: been in the harm in one course like that}
Interviewer:  they dared do it?
748:  all all I could say well uh I say well they just I just say that they did it go in a
Interviewer:  okay. Well I enjoyed doing an interview with you I thank you for doing it with me.
748:  {NW} oh I okay well and um I open to you again of course I've enjoyed some of it too of course it's a it took a lot of time where I want to do something else
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  I spent a lot of time doing it but
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 {NW} # yeah but at the same time I enjoy siting down talking to you boy.
Interviewer:  yeah. I enjoyed it too. And I hope maybe that little bit of money I gave you can compensate you for something
748:  I hope uh I enjoyed #1 talking #
Interviewer:  #2 I # I appreciate you doing it.
748:  yeah I enjoyed talking to you
Interviewer:  {X} {NS} Now your full name is {NS}
748:  {D: My name is Boysie} {D: I just put Boysie T, that's what I like} {X} {D: what's my last name?} That's what I like {X} Had my name all through that, while I worked {X} {D: Boysie T} {B} B O Y S I E T {B} {NS}
Interviewer:  What does the T stand for?
748:  {D: Boysie T-} Thomas {D: Boysie Thomas}
Interviewer:  You were born here?
748:  Yep, on up {D: Good ol' down} Actually in Union County Know when {D: that said} Eighteen hundred ninety-two
Interviewer:  In the state of? In the state of?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  In the state of? The state.
748:  Oh, Arkansas It was Arkansas
Interviewer:  Eighteen ninety-two, that would make you
748:  Eighty-four years old {NS} Going on eighty-five {NS}
Interviewer:  Yes sir {NS} Where Where were you born, may I ask, mister? {B}
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Where were you born?
748:  Up the road and I just don't know, thereabout About seven mile north on the way home to {X}
Interviewer:  What was the nearest, uh Post? The nearest Where you got your, my letter from
748:  Letter? Well I'll tell ya You grew up there, up there in the northern And I don't get {X} Or a {X} Used to get to Norphlet Now I get to go here
Interviewer:  So you were born in At Norphlet then?
748:  So you can say Norphlet, you oughta put about two miles north Or west of Norphlet Write down {X} About two mile west of Norphlet.
Interviewer:  And your occupation?
748:  Well my occupation of preference Farming, then I went to janitor work at the Marysville School A long time Then the Monsanto chemical plant Started work up there in forty one I reckon Working on the {D: H B D} Contractor
Interviewer:  Yes sir?
748:  Then I went to went to work at a {D: cotton uh} plant, um Forty-three, Monsanto Chemical
Interviewer:  Can you tell me about the first house you lived in?
748:  First house? {NW} Maybe come around here and let me see
Interviewer:  Did it have a fireplace?
748:  Yeah First house I was there one winter First house I ever lived in was um Log house Fireplace
Interviewer:  How'd you How'd you fit those logs together?
748:  I would just Knock your logs in there and And and and Put them down in Lay them up on one another and up lay them down Log house And and and and listen Log house and the cracks checked with mud now Had to keep the wind out {NW} Fact Log house, old log house And get them logs out Then you just Cut a little pinch on so it doesn't set up on down that get to be right on up {NS} Lay it down, log house
Interviewer:  And the fireplace
748:  Got firewood in the fireplace Checked and um, that's right
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Checked them old log cracks with mud {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah? You call this the
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You call this the This right here
748:  Oh that's the Fireplace ya might say or {NW} {X} That's a fireplace there
Interviewer:  Yeah, what is this this Front out here
748:  Well that's just out there to keep Uh You ain't say there'd be more wood in it burning?
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah what do you call it? #
748:  #2 Uh # What's that?
Interviewer:  What do you call it?
748:  Oh {D: hearth} I call it
Interviewer:  Yeah? And this is the What is this here?
748:  Well that's just a Might say a thingy but I don't know what you'd call it {NS}
Interviewer:  A what?
748:  Uh
Interviewer:  This thing here that holds up
748:  Like um Kind of a Shelf I would even I'd call it A shelf got things sitting up there
Interviewer:  Mantel?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Mantel shelf?
748:  See things sitting up there?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh Mantel shelf?
748:  Yeah yeah go ahead
Interviewer:  Yeah What do you use to start a fire with?
748:  Well tell you what'll start it, with fire {NS} Um We didn't have no matches Take clap rocks and beat them together with some cotton That's {X} When you kick up in there I've done that.
Interviewer:  #1 It'll #
748:  #2 Clap # Rocks and beat them together, you you've seen You you you can be learning things, I know You've seen {D: phosphor.} Can't you You ever done it? I have
Interviewer:  You you you got that kinda wood that was light enough to Rich enough to Just #1 Light it #
748:  #2 {X} # Pine, pine wood Pine and then like them splinters you see Pine you know Pine splinters I got some in yonder now
Interviewer:  When you got that going you'd put on a big
748:  Yeah when I got that burning I'd just put on a big Big batch, {D: it} Put more wood up there is on And then uh Stick some more pine on a that and You got a fire
Interviewer:  You have something you laid the logs across?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  What were those things in the fireplace you laid the logs across?
748:  Those are dog irons I got some in there now, dog irons
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  Now there's some in right now Dog irons, you called them
Interviewer:  Yeah And the smoke goes up through #1 The #
748:  #2 Yeah go # right on up through that chimney Just so
Interviewer:  You had to clean out all the You ever have to clean that chimney out?
748:  Well um No sir I haven't had to clean it out Once in a while I'm I have to do a little work down here In the front but These things you gotta keep Got gotta keep burned out
Interviewer:  What?
748:  Up, your ashes you'll get smoke and things, or keep burned out of there.
Interviewer:  Oh that's a, a what? #1 What? #
748:  #2 Smoke # Smoke all on it And on that outer, smoker, keep that out.
Interviewer:  What's all that black stuff that gets up in there?
748:  That's smoke Soot Soot That's what I'd call it, soot.
Interviewer:  Yeah Uh huh And that's how y'all built fire?
748:  That's how I built fire, yes sir. Built fires in the fireplace Put some wood up there on them dog irons Back of the iron and you took some lump Splinters Pine splinters And light them and stick them on there
Interviewer:  Uh huh When you got, you had to chop it didn't you, I bet #1 Tell #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Tell me all about the how'd you get it up How the wood, I'll bet that was
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh #
748:  Oh how'd I get that wood? Sometime Take a axe and go cut it Cut it down and then you stack it, you cover it. Cut it down and stack them, cut them up into In in you in the Two and four foot Hunks {NS} {C: NS from 8:13 to 8:26} long {NS} Cut it in two and four foot, two and I I say two foot pieces Long, that long put them up and then bring them here for {X} How I got to cut down a tree
Interviewer:  Where would you keep the wood?
748:  Well, just, we had a wood pile, just throw it out the front, yonder. It's a big, big pile of wood, throw it out the front where we kept it. We always kept mine Out to the front, just out there where I can get to it any when I want some Want some wood, just go out there and get it. Sometimes I'd have um Had {D: poles holed} there, listen And take my axe And chop down them pieces real nice Then I have sawed them, that wood in Two and um, say in two foot pieces With a hands-, with a crosscut saw.
Interviewer:  What color were them ashes?
748:  What's that? Oh ashes would be Well about Real light color, they ain't be a they ain't Another wood {NS} We get about the color of top of that thing, now, they might have It's about that color. #1 But the ash would be #
Interviewer:  #2 White # White? {NS}
748:  Look, if you want to call it white, then perhaps
Interviewer:  White ashes?
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Now, all the stuff you have in the house is your This is all your
748:  All mine
Interviewer:  All this stuff?
748:  Yes sir
Interviewer:  You call this your
748:  That's right
Interviewer:  #1 I'll tell ya #
748:  #2 What # I'll tell ya something else, we cooked on the fireplace, we didn't have a stove Make a big fire in that fireplace now listen Make a big fire in that fireplace and that wood burn down into coals See?
Interviewer:  Yes sir
748:  All that? We had a big skillet And a lid on it You understand that? You'd put them live coals Coals up on that skillet And baked potatoes, anything that you want to bake Now those things would get done Pull that pull them ashes about, out, dust all them ashes out Make a little corn corn or a corn meal up {D: Corn belt} Grab it up, stick it in that, and and And roast it We call that ash cake. {NW} Ash cake. Ash cake, cornbread.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
748:  Then we'd roast potatoes out of it.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I'm telling just about the way of doing it. Ash cake {C: NS in previous line} I don't know anything else on else about that, you understand how that going down?
Interviewer:  What sort of things did you have in a house, just #1 Sitting #
748:  #2 What, what's that? #
Interviewer:  What sort of things did you have in a house to sit in?
748:  Sit in?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well Imma tell you what we had We had um Some um wooden chairs I have seen, I mean wooden benches A plank And some pieces here on the side of it I know when I started here, I I had no, no uh Plan uh thing out there now, but I'm So we wouldn't shake or we'd just sit down on it Sometime we had chairs You know, chair would be Um Guess a Cane bottom chairs Sometime we um Uh Cut 'em into shucks Take shucks and pin 'em together, that's just you cushions Just you cushions wrap around there and make a chair. Make a, and keep wrapping around to make it go
Interviewer:  Corn shucks?
748:  Corn shucks, yes sir Done that a million time Corn shucks. Just keep this, get your chair right there And start you on, let's roll you out a {D: wetted roll} Wet them shucks And roll them shucks together {D: dadgum} Roll some ones and roll just keep on yeah keep on going On on on Tie it up and get your chair Roll some across this away then turn it, some across that away.
Interviewer:  Something you uh Put your clothes in
748:  Well Way up back then we didn't have 'em Til we hang 'em up side the wall Course now we got clothes to put I've lived in a house that didn't have no closet to put your clothes We just hang them up side the wall or over a chair On feet head down #1 Your dirty #
Interviewer:  #2 Well #
748:  Your dirty clothes Um have a little box throw it in there Hang your clean clothes up Side the wall Nails up side the wall, you hang them up there
Interviewer:  Yeah Now something that has drawers in it?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Something that has drawers in it?
748:  Not {NW} Wash and hang your clothes up side the wall just hang {NW} Drive a nail and hang them up there No drawers in it
Interviewer:  Yeah something that has drawers in it though, would you have them now? Do you have those things that have drawers in them?
748:  Well I have had Dresser, an old dresser, an old time dresser, yeah
Interviewer:  Yes sir Uh And what about those big ones that stand up real tall, maybe and You can hang your clothes up in them they're They're not built in they're just a piece of the, you can move them around
748:  Well, we call that a Um {D: Kitcheneir, nail 'em together} It's what you call it And uh I we didn't have none of that, no We didn't
Interviewer:  It wouldn't have, if you didn't have a built in closet, this was another kind of thing
748:  {NW} Built, built in closet Didn't have a built in closet In the house I lived in a long time As I told you, nothing too Had some clothes, just hang them up side the wall Just nail a nail in then hang them up.
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  That's all.
Interviewer:  Did you have anything with drawers in it that you'd put your clothes in? Uh or hang them up in?
748:  No, just hang them up side the wall Not way back yonder, I'm talking about in my boyhood days, I lived boyhood days
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Course you know it's time for growing and developing, developing, had some, made some
Interviewer:  What?
748:  Well uh
Interviewer:  #1 When you #
748:  #2 Made, made # Closets Hang them up here Your trousers, hang them up here
Interviewer:  You ever here of an armoire?
748:  Huh, how you say it?
Interviewer:  Armor?
748:  Armoire
Interviewer:  Or a wardrobe?
748:  Wardrobe? Yeah I have had them, yeah wardrobe, I told you, we called it Yeah after I grew up in them Good old
Interviewer:  Yeah Now, that's a
748:  Studio couch, we call it
Interviewer:  Um {NW} Now the couch and the chair and the That and all this, you call this a You call this all your Your your what?
748:  Might say living room furnishings, or what you want to call it
Interviewer:  This is a
748:  This table and all this stuff in there, you know, keep it in the living room, that's all I know how to call it
Interviewer:  This is your living room?
748:  That's a bed room
Interviewer:  Yeah Uh And that room in there
748:  I call that the dining room
Interviewer:  And then, that one back?
748:  The kitchen
Interviewer:  And that one?
748:  That's another A bedroom down there and back yonder I got a little old uh Little old Uh just a little old kind of a Storage room
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  #1 See #
Interviewer:  #2 You #
748:  You can see plumb through the house way back yonder Where I got them uh deep freeze everything in there.
Interviewer:  What do you keep back there?
748:  What's, what's that?
Interviewer:  What do you keep back there in the storeroom?
748:  I keep that Store room I'll tell you now um
Interviewer:  Um Yeah, yeah What do you call a lot of old worthless things that you're just about to throw away?
748:  Well Imma tell ya Haul out old worthless things just about so week Sometime I Sometime old home made beds, I slept on home made beds, they just just take some things and make a bed
Interviewer:  What do you call that?
748:  Bed, just make you, take you some things, make you a bed and You put some flat straws there
Interviewer:  On the floor?
748:  Want to make it up high Oh you make your bed too I've had to make my, had, I've had home made beds too Put them flats across there up {X} And then Put your mattress on top of that and sleep
Interviewer:  Just a Yeah Would you ever just throw something on the floor and sleep on that?
748:  Yes sir, I sure have Pallet we called it. {NW}
Interviewer:  Shakedown?
748:  Yes sir, beds some down on the floor. And uh Get some cover, lay down and that's a pallet, we call them pallets
Interviewer:  You put your head on a What?
748:  What's that? A pillow?
Interviewer:  Yeah, you see one that went All the way {NW} That went all the way across the bed?
748:  I've called them, call them uh Bolster That's a pillow jacket
Interviewer:  A bolster went
748:  Mm, bolster went from across the bed to pillow Just went farther {X}
Interviewer:  What would you put on a bed for warmth?
748:  To get warm?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well I'll tell you I put quilts on there, blankets Quilts and blankets #1 Things like that #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  All I had to put on there
Interviewer:  The fancy top cover you might put on the top of your bed, that's your
748:  Now sometime we had a Used to have, they were called bedspreads We cover up the bed {X} I got a got a, just got a bedspread in there now On that bed Bedspread
Interviewer:  Yes sir Now um What do you call the little room
748:  New room?
Interviewer:  Have you got a little room off to your kitchen where you might store
748:  That's like, that little storage room back yonder I told you I had a storage room back yonder where I deep freeze things. Storage.
Interviewer:  Well maybe you might have a little room off to your kitchen Where you store canned goods or extra dishes or
748:  Well I tell you Uh I got some, closet is all I got in there But I got some uh Some uh shelves and things where I Put my dishes and things in there Now I put other things in that bigger things in that Big old room way on back there where my deep freezer and everything is Storage room, anything else I want to put back there Take anything back in there And I got a little closet in there In that room, back room way back yonder Where I put things in
Interviewer:  Is it a kitchen closet?
748:  That's right, the kitchen closet {NS}
Interviewer:  Um Now what would you be doing if you were sweeping the floor?
748:  Well {NW} If I was sweeping I'd just go on and say I'm cleaning up the house.
Interviewer:  With a
748:  Broom {NW} Or with a broom like that Now I tell you something else I've seen times we've had um Go into the woods you seen that stuff called uh I'll just show it to you, I'll try, broom sage? Get a bunch of that You see Tie it together You sweep with that, I've swept house with that, all I had to sweep with Broom sage {NW} Sweep the house Broom sage Get some of that out, broom sage out there now
Interviewer:  You keep the broom where?
748:  Well I keep the broom in the closet
Interviewer:  Well right now it's where?
748:  Well uh Course it's there behind that door now, but I keep it in the closet most times
Interviewer:  Um Now years ago on uh Monday women did their Remember, it was on Monday, was it on Monday when women did the
748:  Laundry?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well some of them did and some of them didn't, they just did it any time during the week
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  {NW} And I can tell you I'd have done that
Interviewer:  Did they do it all on the same day? I'm sorry go ahead
748:  Did what?
Interviewer:  Did they do it all on the same day?
748:  Yeah I said Do it all on the same, wash it, big string of Clothes, oh, big as you like and hang them up {X}
Interviewer:  Washed them in a what?
748:  Wash in a Tub Used to have wooden tubs Take a barrel Saw it in two You got two tubs {X} Puts the water then you rinsed them thing, and then washed them up, half pan of water using a wash board And then We had {D: Bending} Blocks For your dirty clothes We layed them clothes on a on a, on a block And just beat 'em up. Have them wet to run and beat, {D: bab 'em good} Then when ya, then uh Boil 'em, put them in the pot {D: When the wash block in and} Boil them Then take them out and rinse them Then when ya rinse them, hang them out {X}
Interviewer:  Um {NS} Now, did you have a room up under the top of the house?
748:  {NW} Uh Old house just like it didn't have no loft and I don't have no loft in this house
Interviewer:  You don't? {NS}
748:  I mean nothing you could do, put up, you can get up in that loft all right but As far as keeping in things, showing things I don't store nothing up there
Interviewer:  Yeah The place you cook in
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  They used to have a place that you cooked in away from the house, didn't they?
748:  Yes they did I tell you I had, used to have a little log house off from the house {NW} {X} Off of the main house Cooked in And I done told ya how they cooked now, c-c- uh Cooked I mean, at that one it got stove, but if we didn't have no stove Had to cook in the house Cause we had to cook on the fireplace In the summer time when it got hot Weather We cooked outdoors Made a big fire outdoors We burned some ashes You could roast anything in it And uh burn down some coals, you take that old skillet, that portable skillet with a lid Put a Set it up there, put, let it place Place a little coals on it Then put some, set, put your bread in there, cake or whatever you want Then put that lid on top of there and put some coals live, oh uh Coals on it, hot coals on it, let it sit there and bake
Interviewer:  Yes sir
748:  See, and we done that now in the summer time now In the winter time of course we done it, cooked it out
Interviewer:  Um Well Let's see, how did you get up, maybe In a two story house, how would you get up from the #1 First floor #
748:  #2 Well # You see we had stairs And stairways Go up there And stairs like if I want to go in this house, up in this house, now I could go in that storage room, I got a little stairway I can just climb that one up and go on up in there.
Interviewer:  Would they have anything on the outside in some houses?
748:  Well #1 Not #
Interviewer:  #2 Some houses #
748:  Not to get inside, not to do nothing inside The only way you had a ladder on the outside was just when you want to go up on top of the house, maybe say You needed the top and uh Cover or something
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen something, that, you know, might somebody might have a bottom floor of their house and then {D: They have the top floor ridded out, they'd have an outside} Stair An outside place to get up?
748:  Well, two story houses I've seen that That a way now to have a two story house, like have to stand outside to get up, I've seen that, yes sir I've never lived in one with it, but I've seen that, when ya have a two story house Then have a A a stairway built Start down here Go out there and go right on up To that next room, open the door and go on in {NS} I've seen houses thataway, never been in houses thataway, but I never did own one like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah Now you've got a Front Up out here Just outside the door and you Put chairs out there, and
748:  Yes sir, said I've put chairs out there, one or two Been through some time, one of them is out there now Got chairs I want out there in the doh- time In the day time When it's warm enough
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And um Course when it gets cooler I have to come in the house
Interviewer:  Have you got a back Have you got anything out back?
748:  Back?
Interviewer:  Yeah, like this
748:  You mean, no, I don't have a back porch They used to have, back porch, I got a little back hall, of course, back there
Interviewer:  Back hall?
748:  Yeah, a little hallway Got a little room on that side and one on that Just you go out that door there Little hole {NW} Now door down end go on out the door
Interviewer:  Yeah? Is it covered, the hall?
748:  Well, yes sir, piece, it's uh built over it and the house together
Interviewer:  Oh I see Is that a breezeway, or a dogtrot?
748:  A what?
Interviewer:  You ever hear of a Now then Out in the back, do you have a place out in the back where you step down?
748:  Cut down?
Interviewer:  Step down
748:  Oh yes, steps, yeah steps, that's right
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Yeah steps to go up and down the steps, yes sir
Interviewer:  You call that the back
748:  Back steps or front steps I have them on the back and front, you know
Interviewer:  Back stoop?
748:  I've got front steps out there now {NS} Back there I don't need no back step because it's right down to the ground, all I've got to do is step down to the ground
Interviewer:  Is it covered?
748:  Uh Well It's, it's built over in that house there, it it uh Just step out on the ground, it ain't covered, you just step out there Step out that Step out that {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  If it rains, you'll sure get wet No I ain't got no cover over them steps back there No I've only a little platform back there Got no cover on them steps out there
Interviewer:  If the door was open and you didn't want it that way you'd tell somebody to You'd ask them to If the door was open, and you didn't want it that way What would you do?
748:  Nah it wouldn't If a door was open now I'd get, I want it standing right now
Interviewer:  #1 If you #
748:  #2 Now #
Interviewer:  Didn't want it open you'd go over
748:  Oh if I didn't want it open I'd shut it
Interviewer:  Yeah Um You, you know those things, sir, that go over a house like that To They They fit over the outside of your house What are they?
748:  Well I'll tell you about that now Or well I know, we used to put I've known {D: pork and ribe} out some boards Long boards {X} And put 'em down the side of that I've got long pieces
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  My mother tell me all this Take that old, old thing and just Hit on down that thing She
Interviewer:  With a froe and a what?
748:  Uh mattock mattock and a froe, yeah sorry {NW} Froe and mattock That's what you had uh boards to cover our house, yeah we used to cover Didn't have nothing to cover our way beyond what boards That's how we got the boards, you see {X} Cut you down a tree You got your tree cut down Split it up Pull it onto the house Then you see it's, it's set that And uh take that mattock And your froe and you uh have Froe and your ma- and uh a mattock and your froe And See House covered with boards {X} All old boards to cover this house with First time this {NW} House was covered it was covered with boards and I rolled boards all day One day for a white gentleman, lived here He got right down, this Was being built For him I rolled boards all day Yes sir Cypress boards here And you get um Good straight grain cypress, now the boards will lay straight and then Sometimes folks would get uh {D: Timber that wasn't straight grainage, you know} It'd be crooked but I tell you what, I've laid my, I've laid in my bed a lot of times in some of the houses I've been I could see the moon through the cracks {NW} {X} See the moon through the cracks.
Interviewer:  Up on the what?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You could see up through the
748:  Oh up through the, up up through the roof of the house Didn't have no loft in it I've stayed in houses that didn't have no loft Now the thing about {NW} Uh Uh {D: Jar spool} And then them boards nailed on Corner up thataway And if it wasn't uh, if it wasn't straight boards A lot of times, as I said you could see the moon through the cracks And come the snow A blowing snow It would just blow in and I tell you what Um Folks didn't know that I understood cover now they could cover them cracks though up So that the water would always run the other way, it wouldn't run down in that crack See?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  Weren't no water running in there unless a wind come, now a wind come It blow in that just like wind would Wind blows in the crack now And then, come a blowing snow A blowing snow even with them boards covering the houses now Blowing snow, I've seen, I I get up and sweep snow Sweep the floor, get it {NW} Covered with snow, I I've slept in beds And uh Come a big snow Had to climb out of bed, had to shake the snow off the bed, to get get into bed
Interviewer:  #1 Um #
748:  #2 Woke up #
Interviewer:  Now alongside the roof some people have those things that carry water off
748:  I've got that, I've got a gutter out there, gutter they call that I've got a gutter on that house That side that house, that one right there It'll catch the water And run it back there and then I've got On down there and run it on all way on over down yonder
Interviewer:  Um Up on a house you have a Say You have a house and an L to the house And uh A place where Uh the two come together is a What?
748:  Well where the two come together #1 And uh #
Interviewer:  #2 When the # Water comes down
748:  Water comes down, what do we call that, a {X} Did you hear me? {NS} {D: Sleeper} It pour on down thataway And them boards, whatever you like to call that Just like I got out there now And uh In that You you have cut them to make them fit, though, to do that And then uh the water comes down Through that {D: shit it} come It just run right on off Down that and all through that just like that is out there {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah Do you have a place outside for storing your stove wood?
748:  I got a little one, yeah, I got a little storage room out there
Interviewer:  What do you call that?
748:  Well I just call it a {NW} Call it a junk house, all I call it
Interviewer:  You keep what out there?
748:  Well I keep my ply strings when I was plying Keep my hoes and shovels and things like that
Interviewer:  It's a junk house?
748:  Junk house, aye that's right, junk house Axe and everything I want to put now in that junk house, I I just put it, go to that junkhouse then I get it
Interviewer:  Have you got running water?
748:  Yes, I got running water now How I used to get water, I'll tell you how I used to get water Dug well A bored well Two ways, uh Two ways a for well A dug well, a bored well I can show you out there now, I can show you a b- a dug well out there now, I got water in it I can show you where I had a bored well And where I had the bored well {NS} You bore them well And uh You cover them with about seven inch Plank, it take About four pieces of plank, nail 'em together Stick them down in that well You see Bore some holes in the bottom of it The water will run in there And then uh Just keep on up 'til you get Keep on uh adding to it, adding to it, 'til it come on out the top Bored well was We used to do bored wells the same we just bored well to get to the um Dug well we used to used to make it as a square place I mean that's Dig the well square You'd make a square box thing like To put down in there Course now round well, I've seen round wells cut uh dug got to be too c- You can take a round, round well, covered with boards, planks, Same way you do that You uh You just You have to saw the end of them planks So they'll fit a little bit kinda that a way Little bit on there keep on that going around Nailed together Had to cut a little edge in that plank, little edge so them planks would Would crook just out {NW} Then just keep on {NW} Til you got to come on round And uh You make you a curve, a curve that a way A round well curve and not a plank {X} {NS} Both ways work but If your well was dug round you could dig you a round well curve and not a plank And if it was a square well You could make you a square, uh make you a Uh uh uh with cribbing With plank Scrap Saw your plank longer than you want it And you say maybe take Take take out two or four or something Keep a nail them up, nail them up pretty good on up to the top
Interviewer:  What do you call outdoor toilets?
748:  Outdoor toilets. {NW} Well I remember going What they only just call them a, a breeze toilet So I don't call, I mean we used to have one here, before I had, before I got running water. Uh We had to go in outdoor restrooms I never called it, we just said a toilet outdoors
Interviewer:  Other names? Joking words?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Any joking names folks had for them?
748:  Yeah You mean uh When you went to go down you You uh you had a little house You made a little house, with a shack And Made you a little plank thing around and sat around it and um {NS} On the little top build it up, and put your little top thatch to it Top over it Then cut you some little holes Cut you some big holes I mean So a boy could sit on it when his bowels would act You see? And um And then have it up off the, on the back now, on the back side Didn't have it Count on that sewer, want it to break out When they go back down just Break out by it
Interviewer:  Yeah Now you live in a
748:  This is what you call a box type house This ain't a log house, this is a box type house
Interviewer:  #1 Did you #
748:  #2 Frame a # Frame house Cause frame building up Another with a frame building up, this ain't a box house A frame will not box house {NS} Um Say I take After you got your foundation laid Then you put your Stud it around like you want Then you cut some plank, long as you want it to go from top to bottom, see? Wide plank And then how you stop that Then you add some nail planks Nailed with them holes In the cracks They keep the weather out That's what you call a box t- Box type house See? Just Up that a way just lay, just lay it a little less Nail them planks up Up that a way up Now you got your frame made up Nail them planks up there. When you got your planks around then you get you some, some more narrow pieces Where your planks come together {C: Noise in previous line} You take a piece of wood {NS}
Interviewer:  What do you call them?
748:  {NW} We just
Interviewer:  #1 Siding? #
748:  #2 Um # I just
Interviewer:  #1 Siding? #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Weather board?
748:  Yeah that's right {X}
Interviewer:  Um Now There are a couple of A couple of buildings Here around you
748:  What's that? You had, there's a couple of buildings around me?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  There's one, right up there And the other one, I ain't got none other one Not nobody living in Closed that road there Say about two hundred yards, though
Interviewer:  Yeah There's some up on the On the hill there, aren't there?
748:  Up there on?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Oh there's several, yes there's some up there, I was just talking about close by Yes there's some close, across that bank's there now Across that bank There's one, there's three or four houses Up there Where you just, way up yonder Before you get up to that store, anyhow
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Now I don't mean up on where that's uh Where they got that uh {D: Center got a place cut out there on Whitehouse}
Interviewer:  What uh What kind of buildings do you have on the farm?
748:  Buildings? Well just have uh nothing but an old log Building We built them log, just build them out of log, just cut you some log And you cut Cut a little trench in there Lay it down to where it's, to where it's Til it just lay down thataways, see that? Come on up, and you got it built up Put a top of wood get you some uh Joist {X} Nail them together Up on top of that You uncover it See
Interviewer:  What's it used for?
748:  Well you, you put, we'd put cotton, corn, anything we wanted You know
Interviewer:  The building where you store corn is a
748:  Well that's right, store corn Store corn in it, store corn Cotton anything, I put cotton in with corn
Interviewer:  You Put cotton in where?
748:  Put cotton in that building Take care of it 'til you got to wait to haul it to the gin Corn put in it Using it, now the building's help We had {NW} had it up {X}
Interviewer:  Corn Put them in a
748:  Nothing, just take that corn you haul out the field
Interviewer:  In a crib?
748:  Just throw it in that crib. Stay out there 'til you used it up Corn crib, we call corn cribs. A cotton house
Interviewer:  Did you have a, did you ever eat oats or anything?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Oats?
748:  I've never ate oats.
Interviewer:  W- where was a uh place where you might store grain?
748:  Grain? Well Imma tell you Um we don't have no, no {X} Grain around here, we don't have no place, now the only thing I know is, well I stored Uh In the way of grain was corn
Interviewer:  Wheat?
748:  I've never seen no wheat, never grow no wheat around here I've never seen no wheat But one time I, now I've seen some rice, one time, growed here at In Union County at about Four or five miles north of here
Interviewer:  Mm
748:  And how that rice that grew here up And it cut that rice down I was living on the man's farm Tie it together And the way he got it, Or where he got it, Oh he'd whip it out, just take it there, {NW} Whip it over something
Interviewer:  So they were doing what?
748:  Whip it over a barrel, and catch it too, whip it over a #1 Barrel, {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Thrashing it? #
748:  How some mans catch it
Interviewer:  #1 Thrashing it? #
748:  #2 In, in a # Box, whipped in there
Interviewer:  Yeah Rice is Thrashed, or?
748:  We made baskets, we had baskets now, but that's Baskets to pick cotton in, put cotton in when you pick it. If you want to Use a basket for the corn, just go out there and pick it up, basket full of corn. Stick it on the shoulder {X}
Interviewer:  Now, the upper part of the barn is the
748:  Loft. Loft, and you put fodder up there. {NW}
Interviewer:  Would you store, would you store hay anywhere else in the barn #1 Or #
748:  #2 What's that? #
Interviewer:  Would you store hay anywhere else, or?
748:  Well, there's uh I'd always just try to make my barn Big enough, enough barn, big enough to ha- hold my stuff, see. Then I'd just make me another place out where the one I have is
Interviewer:  How would you keep it outside if you couldn't get it all in the barn?
748:  Well I've never tried to keep none outside I always put it in that barn, I guess
Interviewer:  How'd you keep it in the barn?
748:  Just put it in there I guess Tote it there, I haul it where I want, throw it in there.
Interviewer:  Was it bundled or?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Was it tied up or bundled, or?
748:  Well I tell you, corn wasn't tied up, corn you know you put it all together, that's all you have Batch full of, basket {X} Now fodder Put that fodder over them stalls You tie that fodder up in bundles You see? Put it up there and you can feed your horse fodder
Interviewer:  Well what about hay?
748:  Well uh If you had some hay you could put it in the barn too But I've never grown no hay
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {NS} Go out there, just go out there in that field All the {D: crop's} ready to {D: peel} {NS}
Interviewer:  How'd you store it?
748:  Well, store it in the barn if you want to keep it, you know {NS} Store it in the barn
Interviewer:  #1 Bundled up or #
748:  #2 Keep it # Bundled up, hay, if you want to keep it Bundled up and if you want to keep it so you can use it as you get to it, I mean use a bundle or two, feed your horse some {X} {NS}
Interviewer:  When they cut rice they sho- they put it in what?
748:  Well when they cut, that man up there now, he He uh he just cut his rice Just whipped it out and stored it out there in the little house he had down so I don't know what Nothing else about it, I don't know
Interviewer:  You ever see wheat?
748:  Never seen no wheat growing
Interviewer:  Well when they grow it, they cut it in Put it in bundles or
748:  Yes sir, wheat, you cut it and grow it in bundles, but I've never seen no wheat do it #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  Anything you do it {X} You cut your corn
Interviewer:  {D: You ever see a stook?}
748:  Cotton
Interviewer:  Shock?
748:  And uh Potatoes and things like that's about all we raised around here
Interviewer:  Yeah Did you ever see hay left out in the field?
748:  Yes sir
Interviewer:  They'd break it up into what?
748:  Well I tell you what I've seen hay left out in the field now They break it up in great big piles, shovel great big piles And then uh Have a stake there See?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  And take that hay And just keep piling it around that stake, just keep piling it around that stake {X} Got way up there Then we made what we call a cap Took some Maybe some grass Tie it together And slip it down over that And uh Hat over that hole what you put it up on Slip it down over that and see that grass Done that a way After on, after on the water all {NS} Stick it one in right down in hay
Interviewer:  What was a hay cap?
748:  Yeah, hay cap
Interviewer:  Did you ever see any that were covered, maybe had four poles and a sliding roof on it?
748:  See what?
Interviewer:  You ever see any covered hay stacks?
748:  No I never seen one Sure haven't
Interviewer:  Where do you keep your cows?
748:  Well we keep the kine Just keep them in the pasture Fenced up I have fenced them with rails Have fenced them with wire Now what rail, with rail fence like around {X} We just, {NW} Have a big Have a farm, just a big old farm And uh Split them rails And just build a fence, build That a way, that a way, that a way, just Go on around the farm
Interviewer:  They didn't go straight? #1 Did they? #
748:  #2 No then you # You couldn't, you couldn't build them straight so you had to have lay them this way and that a way and that a way
Interviewer:  They were zi- uh
748:  That a way I keep them from {X} Zig zagging all around the farm Whenever you They'd stay there and won't a thing that bother it unless {NW} I've seen storms come now Though they bring it down, what you can't help
Interviewer:  Would you ever just put it kind of low to save wood and then have a Maybe an extension up on the top of the rails? Or something like that?
748:  No sir just, normally just the rails, that's all, just
Interviewer:  What kind of wire?
748:  Well, when it come to wire We just bought this common fence wire and {NS} Put some around then Some barbed wire, we'd call it Just stretch that up there too, you know, we keep the things in
Interviewer:  And you'd dig a, dig holes for the
748:  But I'm talking about I mean you had to put poles, you know
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Dig a hole and put your pole, stick poles in the ground Nail that wire on them posts And uh
Interviewer:  How'd you dig them?
748:  With posts? Well I'll tell you, with the pole had to get a wooden cover
Interviewer:  Yeah, but you dug them with a
748:  {NW} Wood and put up Now listen you got a wooden cover Then You had to take a post-hole digger Push that in and dig a hole To set that post down in See? Dig a hole, set that post down in that And uh You could nail your wire onto anything you want Gates, you know I've seen plenty gates, you know Regular old Wooden posts Mounted up there and got a homemade gate Made out of wood And uh And Have some hinges to put on it And uh Uh shut that You could just uh Open that gate, shut it back, open that gate, shut it but now another thing I have seen times we have bars, what you call bars Instead of having a gate you know, you have your You have uh You cut your You have your Your post, your post made so You cut some little gaps in it Then Put that on And nail some over it, in the gaps Then you slip a Plank up and down In that board, don't you see, slip a Slip a plank up and down where it want to go in that and then slip them Plank back Get, when you get out But just slip that plank back in there the way you had it That's what we call bars now That's what we call bars {NS} Wooden bars
Interviewer:  Yeah Did you have a place where, how your, a way your cows could get Your cows could then get down to the field?
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Down to the #
748:  Yes sir that's a fence, we have a fence to make them down To the field If you want to make a field And so they'd come back more than a couple, build, build a Two uh two way lane I made uh two straight fences A lane One to go down, and come back up Down, we call that a lane Down the lane
Interviewer:  Yeah In the Now {NW} Your cattle, did they uh The place where you kept them would, did you have a place they could get under when it rained?
748:  Well yes sir Have a little old cow barn, fixing to make us a place out there I had no barn at that, torn down that house now, no And uh so if the rain and lightning come in, you know, in the barn
Interviewer:  #1 And where'd your horses #
748:  #2 On, on the # Shed I mean
Interviewer:  Where'd your horses go?
748:  Horse? The same thing about the horses A place for the horse to Horse shed, they can make a shed for the horses, want to Keep them from getting rained on and everything Make a stall they can go in, you know?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  Shut him up in that stall, if you want
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {NS} {NS}
Interviewer:  Did you ever have a place where you'd milk the cows outside?
748:  Yes sir Got to have cows out there I have in my little barn, I just have a, in my Where you're out right there now, where I had a fence, but {D: old} {X} {D: over there} Nothing but a cow pen The cow pen, build it with rails or plank or whatever you had by And uh Let your cows in and out A gate to let your cows in and out Gate to let your calves in and out
Interviewer:  Where'd you keep your hogs and pigs?
748:  Hogs and pigs? Well you Didn't have no place to store the pigs, we didn't have that {X} Way they gone they just Got out there in the woods and made them a bed You know, a bed out of straw
Interviewer:  You let them stay out on the
748:  They stay out there I've seen the hogs make a You know a big pile of straw Straw bed, crawl up under that straw when it's cold
Interviewer:  Did people used to keep their milk and butter, where'd they keep that? Their milk and butter
748:  Well I'll tell ya about that now To keep it The best place We had, best place I know to keep it In the summer time When it's hot weather We had these wells, we dug wells, you see And we'd put that milk in a bucket And let it down in that well To keep it cool Butter or anything, we'd get ready to draw it up and use it Now in the winter time all you had to do was set around the kitchen But I'm talking about summer time, now that's the way we kept it cool Let it down in the well
Interviewer:  When When you wanted some you just went over and
748:  Uh when you when you want it when you Say it's some milk Well I want some milk Go out there to my well, got a well, it just go out there get it with that rope and pull that Bucket up Get what I want out of it If I want it all Empty it out and just have it to put some more in, if I don't want it all Pour what I want and then let it dangle down in there That'll keep it I've I have kept milk and butter, and it's so cool there on the way up
Interviewer:  Do you remember a trough near a stream Or near a branch, maybe? Where You'd set a jug or a crock of milk? And keep it, the water would keep Keep it cold, the water flowing through?
748:  Well I haven't ever done that Haven't ever done that We'd have some good springs, now, we had springs around We had water and things but we never did Keep no milk in them, I never, no, I, these wherever I lived, I've never seen no milk kept in those springs The only place I see milk preserved in the summer time What let them down in old dug wells Let it down in old dug well If you didn't have no dug well Why No sense in it You knew that pretty quick it would sour in there
Interviewer:  How would it get?
748:  You mean how milk
Interviewer:  Did it get what?
748:  Sour Sour {X} Sour and when you get sour It would uh There'd be a setting in You had to pour the quart in The uh Top of it over, I don't get what you call it
Interviewer:  Clabber?
748:  But anyhow uh and Sometime it's just a clabber, when it turned, milk would {NW} Turned We eat milk when it turned You'd be able to churn, you know Or you just pour it in your churn, then And you go We had these old churns {NW} Churn, when you got through churning Got some, butter comes Pour a little oil in there once in a while When the butter come, by just Take that Lid off Take that dash out of there Reach down in and take that butter up
Interviewer:  When you left your milk sitting out, thick sour milk that you'd keep around You'd call that
748:  Well, sour milk when, when you got sour, you you can just Feed that to the hogs Have a trough Sometime trough Made two ways, sometime make them out of plank Then I have took a log And uh just Not cut plumb in it, you know, just keep a cut and cut and cut and cut cut up a long trench in it Make you a log trough I've seen them Log trough You could put water or anything in there Though sometime make a {C: Loud sound in previous line} Trough this a way Course you know a hollow tree Get you a na- hollow tree You cut you a piece off of that hollow tree, you see And you have nail you some boards on each end And cut out a Space in there so he can get in there, that's Keep water in there or you Keep or you feed your horse in there, you can Keep water in there If you fix them up {NS}
Interviewer:  Would you ever see some sort of barrel?
748:  Barrel, yes
Interviewer:  #1 It was #
748:  #2 Sir #
Interviewer:  Made out of a tree? Hollowed out of a
748:  Well I'll tell you what Yes they're made out of um We used to buy flour in barrels, you know, made out of trees {X}
Interviewer:  What do they call that?
748:  Just call it Oh well I know, they called it, uh A stave ma- I'll tell you, they made them barrels Made them, made them out of staves
Interviewer:  Yeah, did you ever see a gum?
748:  Gum?
Interviewer:  A gum? You know what a gum was?
748:  Mm I
Interviewer:  Well, it was just a hollowed out
748:  Log or something? Yeah {NS}
Interviewer:  Well the barrels are, made them out of staves, right? What went around the staves?
748:  Well I'll tell you what went around it {NS} Uh When you made that stave around that a way you just had to put your Uh Uh Some wire, something around there to hold it
Interviewer:  Metal hoop? Uh
748:  A metal hook if you have a metal hook
Interviewer:  Metal what?
748:  You know, a hook, you know, you could just slip down in there
Interviewer:  Around what?
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Them round things, you call them metal
748:  Yeah Just slip it down over the top of it
Interviewer:  What?
748:  Over the top of your barrel You make them get together and you just I mean you Might slip it on Down in there, keep it on down and slip it Another Piece about the middle of it, then up at the top
Interviewer:  The metal hook? Uh
748:  The metal hook {NW} You had it Wire, something
Interviewer:  Um Did you Now where do you buy milk from now, uh a place where they, where they Raise a lot of milk cows now is called a
748:  A dairy Milk dairy
Interviewer:  Mm-kay Did you have any, did you have anything like a dairy?
748:  No sir I never had no dairy, I never, just had nothing but just Cows running around there in my pasture and then when they come up Milk 'em Go back Well then sometime Cows just run outside before the stock dog come in
Interviewer:  #1 You let them out #
748:  #2 {X} # {NW} All you had to do You kee- You just have a fence to keep your calves in
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Had them before a stock dog come in Cows just run out all over the woods I've had some of the best cows I've had get killed They've had these cars coming in
Interviewer:  Where would you lead them grazing, just Anywhere? That you could You say you let them out on the what?
748:  Well they um When uh When uh When we didn't have no stock dog {D: didn't know if that old} Old old gate to cowpen they were going out On up and what they wanted They would come up Come up the next morning, whether or not you see them, the come up the next morning
Interviewer:  How do you call them?
748:  Sook sook sook {NW} Maybe That's all
Interviewer:  Sook And a calf, when you call a calf
748:  Well sook-calf sook-calf sook-calf
Interviewer:  Sook-calf, sook-calf
748:  That's right
Interviewer:  Yeah Uh Now the place around the barn where you might let the cows or mules or other animals walk around
748:  They, that's right, when we had a barn, yeah that's right, let them walk around
Interviewer:  Walk around where?
748:  Walk around the barn, they could walk around the barn, sometime we had
Interviewer:  What was the place they could walk around, you had a what?
748:  Well, had to have a, uh uh, a horse {D: Lot} See, or a cow pen Now that'd be, we, we built that out of rails Before we got wire, around here
Interviewer:  Yeah You ever seen them little old fences that they build around a Your house, or a garden or something?
748:  Well they call them um Um Yeah I've built Uh You ride you out some boards #1 Long boards #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah? #
748:  In little long pieces As high as you want it You want to keep Get high enough so a chicken won't fly away Palings, yeah palings, yeah fence palings, that's right, {NS} yeah palings, we call 'em palings, that's right Call them palings, you just ride them scoundrels out And um {X} And then um Or we had lumber to do that, we just had to {X} A good big header piece Nail it on the porch head, nail it on the porch down in Then nail in pairs of these, start at one end, down down down, {D: going around}
Interviewer:  Would they Woven or they were nailed, right?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  They were nailed, you you did what #1 You you #
748:  #2 You nailed, no # Just nailed
Interviewer:  You had to
748:  Take a hammer and nail them in there They'd stay up, nail them up there, they'd stay {NS}
Interviewer:  Um Were they sharpened at the end?
748:  Well
Interviewer:  Or were they flat?
748:  Well they were flat Course some people, you know, sharpened some The only thing people sharpened then maybe Have paling around uh, paling fence around their house I've seen pens Pens just around the house
Interviewer:  Picket?
748:  Made out of pen, them pickets You see Now in the house, sometimes they'd sharpen them, you know
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  But just otherwise, just anywhere, just grab 'em by you Make it
Interviewer:  You grow cotton?
748:  {NS} Not now, I have growed it
Interviewer:  Tell me about the work you did
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Tell me about the work you did
748:  About the work?
Interviewer:  Yeah Please, would you?
748:  Well I'll tell you what I've sold cotton as low as Five and six cents A pound
Interviewer:  Mm
748:  Then I've sold it, it's come in one year, we round that cotton up Fifteen, twenty, twenty-five cents a pound Know all I got, got to have a ticket to catch a gin, you know Pick your cotton and haul it to the gin Gin the seeds out You see They bale it up In bales And you take your cotton and sell it And I said I have sold some cotton When, way back yonder during the Panic Five and six cents a pound
Interviewer:  When you getting the cotton up out of the ground you say you When it comes up out of the ground, what do you have to do?
748:  Well I'll tell you what you have to do, when it come up out of the ground Up out of the ground, got to go down and And uh work it out Keep the grass out of it Sometime we'd board it off So we could work it out Take a plow, going this, up and down the row with a Fork and a plow Board it cutting off Then take your hoes and go in there you see and chop it out Then you thin it out See? Alright? Then we could uh We have a sweep and a shovel {NS} Then Go in there want to sweep up with, what we call sweeping up cotton {D: then} Get, put a little shovel And a sweep on there Go up and down rows, you got to, go {X} Bring that {X} {NS} Cover up that little place
Interviewer:  Now about mid July Was when your cotton was
748:  Well I tell you, we usually laid by cotton in store, long in July Then about September, last August got to go picking cotton
Interviewer:  Yeah What kind of grass would come up in your Field in your Cotton field?
748:  Well more or less, we had, you know, used to call it, call, we called it cotton grass We didn't have much of a mood on stuff like that Back in them days like We called it crop grass, weeds That's the grass that I told you about I have seen pulled Pulled some of that And used it for hay
Interviewer:  Yeah Um Did uh Now Um The The type thing you break ground with in the spring Would be a what?
748:  Well Um We had um We had to turn it around {X} Had old heavy plow get your horse fit now to break it, then have Georgia stock Put a ton plow on there And you break it that a way
Interviewer:  Did you have one #1 One #
748:  #2 Big big # Beds now, you make bed with a ton plow Shovels you know, you just {X}
Interviewer:  The turning plow
Interviewer:  Mis- mister {B} The trenches cut by the plow are the
748:  How you say it?
Interviewer:  The trenches cut by the plow
748:  Plow? A shovel
Interviewer:  Are the what?
748:  You mean a plow?
Interviewer:  Yeah you'd call them the what
748:  Shovel, just a straight shovel
Interviewer:  Well you got your row, right?
748:  Yeah that's right, then shovel you open the ground up And you make, you o- o- open your ground up and everything with the shovel
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 It's a it's a # Shovel made sort of like that
Interviewer:  Shovel makes a what?
748:  It makes a furrow
Interviewer:  {NS} Yeah {NS} You mind if I turn the light on?
748:  Yeah you can just turn that
Interviewer:  Um Well Uh When you, when you got your land opened up, did you use anything to break the ground up real fine?
748:  Well I'll tell ya what When we, when we, You mean we cleared ground? In the woods clear, go, go and clear up a new ground?
Interviewer:  You did that? Yeah
748:  {NW} That's all we got, that's all the way it just now on this Tell me growing up we had to clear it up, when we just cut down, cut that stuff down and burn it up Then see we had um We had a cutting coat That we put on that On our plow That's a hand axe, a hand axe shovel, you know Down to cut the roots Go on now, uh like now, out there now, clean up ground Uh Biggest thing I usually do, I have done Say we got cotton stalks in there, just go and knock the cotton stalks down low Then go and plow, we had corn stalks, and things go down and cut them down and pick 'em up and pile 'em up and move 'em out of the way
Interviewer:  When you go into the field late in spring, do you have a lot of leftover Did you ever raise hay?
748:  No sir I ain't raised no hay Never raised no hay
Interviewer:  You'd know about how to raise it though, wouldn't you?
748:  Oh yes sir, hay sir, yes {X} Uh out some good ground, just get out there and sow your hay and And uh Let that hay cue up, you know When it come time to cut it, you know, you can watch it Come time to cut it you can go down and just cut it
Interviewer:  Which How many times would you cut your hay?
748:  Well, I'll tell ya that depends On the weather {X} He had a fay- f- a hay field And {NS} In August Get good seeding {X} Thing, it'll come out and grow again Maybe cut it again in September
Interviewer:  You ever get a
748:  Second cutting of it And rake it up Bale it up, whatever you want to do with it
Interviewer:  Would you ever have something that might come up like {NS} Like a vegetable or something like that it might just come up You didn't plant it, it came up, uh
748:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 Say #
748:  I'll tell you about that, the biggest thing I know about something and a plant meaning trouble Stuff that we called a sassafras {NS} That stuff come up and poke the {NS} {NS} {NS} {NS}
Interviewer:  You'd say it came up
748:  Just come up out of the woods, uh I guess some grows out there
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 Sassafras #
Interviewer:  Now
748:  That's about the only wild vegetal- vegetable I reckon I know that we ever Could get without planting But you wanna Without planting something The only kind of wild vegetable I could think of right now, is {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah Well, something like You might, you might not plant tomatoes one year, they'd just come up
748:  Well, I tell ya about tomatoes Oh uh Sometime they will, you know, if you you leave a lot of them Done got ripe and didn't use 'em and they've They didn't perish Sometimes, they Some of the seeds will come up the next spring.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You'd say they come up what
748:  They're, they come up and you take them
Interviewer:  Volun-
748:  Uh, take, just come up, let 'em {NW} Grass and mater Bean pole on the ground is All but if anything's lucky, they'll come up thick But when they come up all you gotta do 'em is Go out and thin 'em out Another way to pull up your {X} And set 'em out, here and there now {C: Noise in previous line} And mow Like sweet potatoes We always begged at sweet potatoes
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Taking a, take some seed potatoes and take some potatoes and uh And make a {NS} You got a little Trench Where it lies good Cover it up and and lay your potatoes in it, just lay 'em in there you know Then cover 'em up Well uh, when them taters Cover, we covered them sprouts where they come up And we wanna set 'em out We just go down and pull out some of that {NW} Pull out the little bits, the biggest ones pull and just keep on {X} Just pull 'em out, when you want to, you got All you want to sit out and start out Set 'em out in rows, about like that, you know? Work 'em good {NW} And then um when it comes to take a gathering time Why I've seen {X} Go down cut them vines Cause vines grow and cut them vines, you know, of course you couldn't plow in there And drag 'em all out of the way I have cut 'em and then take a horses now And and and And just as, plain shoveling, and go down the row and that, and they just Break up lovely and {NW} Drag 'em on out, out the way and then you plow your taters up Take that tongue plow then {X} Wherever they going And go there and plow them taters up You'll just p- On out the ground and you pick 'em up {NS}
Interviewer:  Would you ever have a crop come up Volun- uh Volunteer?
748:  Well uh I've had some things grow up volunteer, now I've had I've have had um Few Irish potatoes come up volunteer You know, maybe, say you raise some Irish potatoes You go to get 'em Maybe leave few potatoes, good ol' taters in the ground, now, don't get 'em all out And uh Next Next spring I've seen some little potatoes come up there volunteer, something like that
Interviewer:  Um {NS} Well {NS} You know, what would you put a, in a hen's nest When you wanted her to, to lay?
748:  {NW} Then make you a box of anything you want to trouble with and put you some straw in there Way we done it All I know
Interviewer:  Did you ever put something in there? Kind of a porcelain?
748:  {D: Delpware} All we done, I tell ya all we done there is all I knowed about
Interviewer:  Wh- what did you say?
748:  #1 All that I #
Interviewer:  #2 D- #
748:  Knowed about just
Interviewer:  {D: Delpware}?
748:  Make you some hen nests You can make 'em upside the wall, anything you want, take you some planks And put you some hen nests and then put some Cut a hole {NW} Cut you some {X} Then get some straw And put in there And the ol' hen will get in there and lay eggs
Interviewer:  Yeah? Did, did you say {D: delpware}?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  {D: Delpware} You know what {D: delpware} is?
748:  #1 Uh #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Delpware} #
748:  You mean uh, mean uh, any kind of straw I'm talking about For them, for them hens?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well just make you a, a little ol' {NS} Hen nests Make you some hen nests, as you see And you can nail up, make up anywhere you want, if you wanna nail 'em upside the wall Make as many nests, this one go, hen go down and jump up in that nest and lay an egg now
Interviewer:  Would you ever put something in there? In the in the nest Like if you, you wanted 'em to lay, you'd put a round
748:  No, no, they, I never did use {NS} Never did do that I've known folks that do this now, they would have an old rotten egg or something like that That uh Keep it in there no chance busted or something like that to put 'un- that's what we call a nest egg I've seen that done
Interviewer:  Yeah Now If you had a nice tea set you'd say it was your best What do you eat off of?
748:  You mean In the kitchen?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well I just got a, got a uh Table in there, all I know Dining table or What do you call it, a what
Interviewer:  And you eat off of what?
748:  Eat off of that table Put your soup, food up there Get you a chair or something up there and eat off of that table
Interviewer:  What do you eat with? You eat on
748:  Well, sometimes When you Put a tablecloth, I've I've put the tablecloth on the table, I have done that
Interviewer:  Do you eat on the tablecloth
748:  No we don't eat on the tablecloth, just put my, I put my food in a in a uh In a in a plate or something, and eat out of the plate
Interviewer:  Yeah? You call that plate your You say your best We're not gonna use our Our Regular, ordinary dishes today, we use my best
748:  Yeah well I sometimes, we do have, you know, sometimes I have some dishes we say Might say saving for Sunday {NW}
Interviewer:  Up on the wall there is a what, that plate is made out of
748:  Uh China?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  That's what I call it, I dunno
Interviewer:  China Um Would you ever see an egg made out of that?
748:  I've seen the eggs, I've got a little uh old uh I've got think I've an old egg in yon now there I don't know how come the chi- the children got it out regularly For uh Guessing you, I think think there's an egg in the kitchen now
Interviewer:  What is it?
748:  Well all I know is just a kind of egg, of egg {X}
Interviewer:  What's it made out of?
748:  Well I don't know, I don't know what they call it and any ain't even bothered to see {NW} But I think it's made out of something like uh
Interviewer:  China?
748:  That's right
Interviewer:  So you say it's #1 A what #
748:  #2 So it's # Same kind, it's just {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah? So it's a what, uh #1 You call it a #
748:  #2 Well #
Interviewer:  Chi- uh What would you call it?
748:  What?
Interviewer:  The egg
748:  Well I just call it a egg, it's all I know to
Interviewer:  China egg?
748:  China, wanna call it a China egg, or whatever you wanna call it {X}
Interviewer:  Um What do you use to carry water in?
748:  Well I'll tell ya what we used to carry water, we used to carry water in water kegs Little old kegs and they'd Just about like that you see Round keg And um You pour your little, have a place to pour the water in, pour out Like I'll carry water and a handle to it I've carried water kegs and I've carried water in jugs Ole China jugs
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 You see #
Interviewer:  What would they have in the top of them?
748:  Well, what's just a just uh um On a little stopper
Interviewer:  What was it made out of?
748:  You see what they'd call that, cork stop, that'd be the only word I know {NS} Kept water in jugs and I've kept it in kegs
Interviewer:  Yeah In a keg would it have a kind of a thing on it that you could turn the water on with?
748:  No All they have, ol' kegs um, you'd have to pull that cork out then And, and uh pull that on out That is, I'm talking about way back yonder
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Going on up, later They made kegs thataway that they did have a little something to turn
Interviewer:  What did you call that? That had a what on it?
748:  Corkscrew #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 The water # Came out through the what?
748:  {X} Cork Through that cork, you just stepped on there and catch the water
Interviewer:  Did you ever see one that you could screw?
748:  Yeah I've seen that too
Interviewer:  What are they called? uh
748:  Well that's the same thing but to just a different {X} See I've seen 'em just turn 'em off thataway and I've seen some Just open screw up then screw 'em down
Interviewer:  It's got a what to come out of, it's got a
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  It's got a uh something you can turn and the water will come out #1 Through the #
748:  #2 Oh sure # Here'll be a little ol' spout, you know Have spout for it to come out, that's right #1 There's a spout #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  #1 For it to #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  Come out it won't be that way so you just spout you {NW} Spout to come out {X} Jug, anything you want
Interviewer:  Uh When you milked, what would you catch the milk in?
748:  Well I just took a, a bucket I'd throw a tin bucket {NS} Tin bucket, you catch that and hold it down there and {NW} Get the milk
Interviewer:  What was it made out of?
748:  Well it made out of tin All I know, all it {X} #1 Has it #
Interviewer:  #2 Is it # Narrow at the bottom and got
748:  No, uh I've seen {NW} we used to buy lard buckets Buy buckets of lard Buck- I mean buckets of lard And use that lard out of there, you know, and take that bucket Just milked in that
Interviewer:  #1 Did you ever see #
748:  #2 Course of course # Course I I've seen some of them them just buckets {D: called made just for that purpose} but I'm talking about What I come or what I've used Just a bucket Use a small bucket to milk the milk in then a bigger bucket when you get that full, pour it all in there {NW} Get the ol' cow milk
Interviewer:  Would one of 'em be made out of wood?
748:  Of these buckets, now, no, not buckets, no, you know, not to milk a cow
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
748:  #2 Mm-mm # Mm-mm
Interviewer:  Um What sort of container Of bucket might you keep in the kitchen to keep scraps in, for the pigs?
748:  Well I'd just call that a uh scrap can's all I'd call that
Interviewer:  Scrap can?
748:  Mm
Interviewer:  {NW} Okay Have you uh Now something that, that's big and black And you might have out in the backyard To wash your clothes in, that's a what?
748:  Big and black?
Interviewer:  Yeah it's a black
748:  We got the washpot I guess all that I know
Interviewer:  Yeah? What do you boil water in? #1 Here #
748:  #2 And # Boil water in that black, in that, is iron pot, boil the water in there
Interviewer:  Yeah? Have you got something that if you wanted to make some coffee or tea or something, you'd boil water in a what?
748:  Well, I wanna make some water to keep it's the same away now If I ain't got none coffee pot I'll just have to boil it in a bucket 'til I can get the tea kettle
Interviewer:  Tea what?
748:  Boil, boil it in a tea kettle
Interviewer:  Kettle? Um
748:  Or a coffee pot, just some {D: tiny thing} little tin pot made you can boil coffee in, put some coffee in that water
Interviewer:  Yeah? Yeah? {NS} {NS} Now if you wanted some flowers you could use this as a what? {NS}
748:  Well if I wanted some flowers and um to keep flowers in the house
Interviewer:  Yeah you'd use this as a
748:  Well I'd use it as a vase
Interviewer:  Yeah {NS} You'd just go out and
748:  I'd cut my flowers, put some water in there and stick 'em down in there Let it take that stuff out though
Interviewer:  Yeah {NS} Uh {NS} Now, when you're setting a table, what would you eat with?
748:  Well {NW} Knife, fork, and spoon
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And sometime I'd eat with my hands {NW}
Interviewer:  Do you have any different kind of Uh, cutting instruments?
748:  Uh what?
Interviewer:  Cutting instruments
748:  Cutting, yes sir #1 Butcher #
Interviewer:  #2 What do #
748:  Knife Butcher knife, drawing knife Things like that
Interviewer:  What is a drawing knife?
748:  Well a drawing knife is a Thing made out of iron now And there's It's got a crook on it, some handles on it, I got one out there right now But you wanna, and you could just take that thing you know, you wanna smooth something down, draw something down just Pull it down thataway
Interviewer:  #1 Uh #
748:  #2 But it's # Made out of iron though, metal
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  But they got, used to have wood handles, got little wood handles on it, I got one out there right now See, I can sharpen 'em , say I'm a plant it down or smooth something down Well I can just uh, take that drawing knife, you know, just These'll just cut you know, cause that blade it's fixed so One side where it cut to, cut one way
Interviewer:  Now, those kind of Ones that you had that would have a just a little blade on 'em, they're called
748:  Well uh
Interviewer:  Might carry 'em around with you
748:  Well uh Let me see {NW} A drawing knife and a Butcher knife and a
Interviewer:  You ever keep one in your pocket or
748:  {NW} What's it called um Uh Wood knife, or something like that that you do #1 Cut #
Interviewer:  #2 Just a little # Pocket
748:  The pocket you can When you wanna cut something you cut something, you wanna do a hole you do that
Interviewer:  Yeah But you have all sorts of Of what?
748:  Well I got that one, them kind of knives, now I had one that had several different kind of blades on it
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  You could uh take that knife, pull it out, {D: use} a screw down on a cork and pull it out Then you could um pull that blade out, whittle with it Nothing on that, you know Sharp end, turn it around, you could bore with it
Interviewer:  How do you keep 'em sharp?
748:  Well Well file, with a file, or else take a a a rock Uh uh what do you call it a grinding rock, it's a grinding rock, I got piece piece in there somewhere If file just get, get dull Sharpen Start a file {NW} Sharpen with a #1 File #
Interviewer:  #2 Do # A grinding rock?
748:  You can, I mean a grinding rock, now, or well you can just, take a grinding rock, do that real sharp
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 {X} # Thataway
Interviewer:  Did you ever see one that would go around?
748:  Well that's a big grind rock, you know?
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 And then # Hone your
Interviewer:  You ever see those whet- uh
748:  You know uh
Interviewer:  Whetrock?
748:  Yeah, and uh you take a I've seen big grind rocks, you know, big, you know a {X} Now I wanna hone my axe I could hold my axe up there and just Round and round, see, hold it on and that'll hone
Interviewer:  {D: Did you ever see a, now folks who sharve with a sha- sh- who shave with a straight razor}
748:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 They'd use # A leather
748:  I use a straight razor And uh, sometimes just use a leather strap See? {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah? Um Well, now, you get your water now, you turn the water on it comes out of a what?
748:  I I got a See, I got running water, I just turn the faucet And here the water come
Interviewer:  Yeah? Out in the yard, if you turn the water on it comes out of a
748:  Well out in the yard I got a faucet out there, I have {NW} It's running water where I got {NW} Got a faucet down there and one up there
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Just scoot your hose on down if I want to Kettle, want to warm a kettle water And I wanna just catch the water I open it up and set me down, down there to catch the water, now me get on up Cut it off
Interviewer:  Have you got a spigot of any kind?
748:  A what?
Interviewer:  A spigot? Spicket?
748:  #1 Mm #
Interviewer:  #2 You know what a # Spigot is?
748:  Mm I don't know about what, I don't know I understand what that is
Interviewer:  Okay Never heard of a spigot {NS} When you {NS} When you wash your dishes Would you use a kind of a cloth or a rag to wash 'em with?
748:  You wash your dishes, you see, wash 'em with a rag, way I do now Wash my dishes
Interviewer:  With a what?
748:  With a dish rag
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
748:  #2 Soap # Water, dish rag
Interviewer:  Then you dry 'em with a
748:  Well I dry 'em with a drying cloth Then sometimes I wanna, I just take a, taken a, put 'em in some And pour hot water on 'em, see? Pour hot water on 'em And they dry theyself
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  What you call scalding your dishes
Interviewer:  When you're When you're in the bathroom and you wanna clean your face do you use a Uh Kind of a What, what would you use, just a little small
748:  Well, sponge?
Interviewer:  Or you might use a kind of a cloth or a #1 Rag #
748:  #2 I got a, I got a little # I call them the regular old uh Uh
Interviewer:  Wash
748:  Washrags
Interviewer:  And when you're taking a a bath or something you use #1 A #
748:  #2 {X} # Towel Your towel because I've take a towel and I wanna take a bath, you know, I can I can uh Wash all around and then go and wash my back {X} my back I just catch over one end of that towel thataway and saw it I tell you why we care so much {NS} Now my wife Now of course married, and We didn't have no stream, running water, and all that we had to use it is with a tub, a pan {NS} So, she had a black spot, right in the middle of her back I happen to see it, and I told her I had a do to keep that outta there Told her when she take a bath, have a long towel with she Told her that, then never did see that no more Course you couldn't reach it, you know Some, some places you know you just couldn't that's what I'm talking about Little, little spaces you just couldn't reach for that A rag get up in the back, now over there Little squat baby couldn't reach thataway But you take that towel and do thataway you can do it
Interviewer:  Um Now What did uh What did molasses come in when you used to buy it?
748:  Well {NW} It'd come in kegs, big old kegs
Interviewer:  Or lard, what would that come in?
748:  Well, it come in tin cans
Interviewer:  Call that a stand?
748:  Yeah, I've seen can, I've seen lard cans hold fire grout and I've seen 'em hold
Interviewer:  #1 Lard #
748:  #2 Can #
Interviewer:  Lard stand?
748:  Yeah, and then uh I've seen lard come i-, lard in just in tin buckets
Interviewer:  If you had a barrel with a real narrow top You'd make you something, you'd call that a what?
748:  A plumb?
Interviewer:  Yeah you'd make you a plumb?
748:  Yeah, plumb
Interviewer:  To go down in there?
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Uh Now, what did you drive your horses with when you were
748:  Well, you ride a horse, you had a Put they in Well, just had a whip All I can tell ya #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  Have a whip so you could have Have lines on 'em then and you just hit 'em, tap on the whip, with the whip
Interviewer:  Yeah When, when you buy food at the store nowadays the grocer might put it in a What?
748:  Well I'll tell you about that Like um, if I buy meats and it's the same just {NS} Come in them, there're, little Sausage thing I tell you what I do sometimes I Maybe I uh, I want to just tell you about that fish I go town sometimes I buy me a good big fish
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Well I'm not gonna eat all that fish at once You understand? Well I just take these bread sacks Uh they got little sacks that uh like you put, like you wanna store food in In your freezer You see? And just, I just Put me two, three pieces of that, two, three in there, pile 'em, then when I wanna cook Just get one of them, don't have to get the whole thing, won't have Don't have to thaw out the whole thing to get what I wanna cook
Interviewer:  What's it made out of?
748:  {NW} I tell you something {NW} Made out some like that stuff, I reckon
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And I, and these bread sacks {NW} I have got some fish in there on now, got just some of these I buy white bread Put some fish down in there
Interviewer:  Yeah Um Now When you buy things in a store you carry 'em home in a what?
748:  Well, I have to carry 'em home in a, in a in a, in a paper bag
Interviewer:  Um Are there any different sizes of 'em?
748:  I tried all sort of sizes, some little bitty ones, some great big ones
Interviewer:  What's a poke, you ever
748:  What?
Interviewer:  You know what a paper poke was?
748:  No I don't
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  I've seen, I've got some Great big ol' bag, and I've seen you put a half bushel in there {X} In that, in that paper bag Got, bought some stuff today Just pile it in that bag and now go home
Interviewer:  How does sugar come packaged?
748:  Well they come in, in in a paper packages
Interviewer:  Did uh a large quantity used to come
748:  Well a large quantity used to come, way back yonder, come in barrels You go there, say I want a, you want a, I want a dollar worth of sugar they'd go and dig you up a Weigh out some of it
Interviewer:  They sold it
748:  Yeah they sold it, I said, made you a barrel of sugar You went to a store and they had a barrel of sugar there And uh, you wanted Say you wanted a dollar's worth {NS} Dip you out there and put the thing and weigh it
Interviewer:  How much would that be?
748:  How much we, it would be
Interviewer:  How much would a dollar's worth be?
748:  Well I tell you that, and a dollar's worth Used to be a good big bit, now it ain't much {NW} Mighty little bit sometime get for a dollar now Or I tell you what I chew tobacco all the time, I've, I've seen um Uh Piece tobacco that I paid Thir- thirty-nine or forty cents for I used to get it for a dime That's the way I get 'em
Interviewer:  You used to could get it, now, you used to get it for what?
748:  A piece of bacco I used to get for a dime I have to pay about forty, forty or forty-five cents for right now
Interviewer:  But you, you used to could get it for Ten?
748:  That's right
Interviewer:  How much?
748:  Ten cents Take snuff Little ol' box that, used to, we used to call knicker boxes of snuff But then knicker box snuff now cost you fifteen cents It's a big ol' box snuff
Interviewer:  Yeah Um did, did uh What was sugar used to come in, like fifty pounds of sugar?
748:  Well as I told you, um
Interviewer:  Or flour
748:  Well I tell ya it'd come in sacks Cotton sacks
Interviewer:  Did you ever see potatoes, or anything like that, what would they come in, or Or What would they ship feed in?
748:  Well potatoes, they, they ship potatoes in sacks too, just put 'em in sacks
Interviewer:  Yes sir When you, when you were picking cotton, what kind of bag did you put it in?
748:  Well usually I'd just take a, we used to buy a Oat sacks, we used to buy oats, ya know? And um In great big sacks
Interviewer:  What what was it made out of, it was a kind of #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Yeah # I couldn't tell you just what that stuff's made out of
Interviewer:  Rum cloth?
748:  Yeah, now another thing I have made 'em out of the {D: lord} take some {D: lord's} cloth Make a long, good sack Strap on it, and you pick and drag it all around They'll put Picked a home town thing, I have seen folks Them big ol' long sack kind of sack behind 'em Put maybe a hundred pounds cotton Full to the brim, too That's made out of {D: lord's} Cloth
Interviewer:  Out of what?
748:  {D: Lord's} Cloth cloth cloth
Interviewer:  #1 Cloth? #
748:  #2 {X} # {X} Cloth They call it {D: lord's} That's what we used to call it
Interviewer:  Um Now when you bought feed or something like that, what kind of sack would it come in?
748:  I know corn, we call 'em corn sacks and them, and uh {NS} but it's But I can't tell you now just what, what it's made out of
Interviewer:  Yeah, and coffee, it would come in a
748:  #1 What you say? #
Interviewer:  #2 Coffee or # Or Would you ever see a croker sack?
748:  Yeah, croker sack, that's what I call it, that's what I'm talking about, croker sacks
Interviewer:  Now What would you call, maybe the amount of corn you'd take to mill at one time?
748:  Well {NW} When I was a kid, used to carry sometime From a half bushel to a bushel Carry it to mill to get ground into meal Half a bushel of corn
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 Carry it to # The mill, they grind it into meal
Interviewer:  You wouldn't take a full load, you'd just take a
748:  Well, I'd just take what, whatever, any amount I wanted Say if I wanted bushel, couple bushels at a time I'd just Shove a bushel corn cob And if I want a half bushel, just shove a half bushel corn cob
Interviewer:  Yeah? Like the grist? Uh
748:  Well you see They go there and grind it, you had, you have to sift it to get their, get they Get the crust out it Have to sift the meal
Interviewer:  Um When you were, maybe when your mother was cooking And you were outside she'd yell for you to bring in a She'd say {D: She'd say, Boysie, bring me in a} A what of wood, how much wood would she have you bring?
748:  Well I tell ya She, she'd, Come outside I need some wood in this fire pit, I'd just go out and get a armful
Interviewer:  Um Now When a new light burns out nowadays you have to put in a new
748:  Bulb Put a new bulb, new bulb
Interviewer:  A new what? #1 Light #
748:  #2 Bulb # Bulb, yeah, light bulb
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  We used to run a cord, you know Nobody got a coil lamp now, put you some c- got got a lamp Thing a coil in it Top on it and a wick Down in there Globe on it, ya see
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And uh Don't tell uh tell ya what Uh We had a A light shortage here For a long time, something happened, freeze or something And I s-, and I, I I saved 'em all these coils lamps, I'm talking about, I didn't throw 'em away {NW} When it got dark there I'd just, had, got me up and went and got an oil lamp {NW} And um Put some c- oil in it, had me a light Tell ya the truth, it got to the place you couldn't light up a fire in a lamp in the elevator Folks board 'em up so That's the truth {NW} Board 'em up so it doesn't Doesn't {X} nothing {NW} When I got these I, told 'em just throw them things away, well I didn't throw 'em out, I saved 'em I got 'em I give my daughter a lamp She couldn't see in her washroom Coil lamp, I give it to her when she was here last year in July Tell ya Course say I got electric lights, well {NS} Electric um had electric Here out, but I I got a lamp I'd like to have someone made me, grab me a light just as soon
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  Coil lamp
Interviewer:  Um Now What do you Hi- hit nails in with #1 You #
748:  #2 A # Hammer
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Hammer
Interviewer:  Skors- some sort of carpenter tools you might keep around When you have a heavy load, you you Carry it around and these things had wheels on 'em
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  #1 {NS} {X} #
748:  #2 {NS} Oh uh wheel # Wheelbarrow?
Interviewer:  Okay Um If you have a, tell me all about how you used to get into town when you were younger, what would you use? {NS}
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah? #1 Well did you have a #
748:  #2 Now well now # Listen Them long ones then I, then I have went horseback, you understand that? Ride a mule or a horse Then I went in a wagon Then I walked there a million times on my foot I've walked there over a million times back, a million times I walked, my church is here four miles now, I've walked to my church, I said A million times twice a day, go up there in the morning Sunday and come back Back then you'd say, walking {NS} That's right
Interviewer:  Have you ever had a car?
748:  No sir I never did own a car
Interviewer:  #1 Uh #
748:  #2 I tell ya I mean # I never did own a car Uh The main reason I didn't ever own a car Was this I have some blackouts Blackouts And my doctor told me, don't you drive no car, don't you climb up in that I don't have 'em bad now cause my doctor just uh Give me medicine that keeps 'em down, I don't know what, what is it but, blackout
Interviewer:  So you've never
748:  Never drove a car, never owned one, see when, when I got to the place I Figured I'd buy me a car Sh- uh in shape that I thought I'd get me a car I have them blackouts, see my doctor done told me now, don't you drive no car and don't you clamber up on one Got to mean I ain't ever owned a car Didn't cause I couldn't have, but I got too weak Because um, I've been so ever since I was About eighteen years old I've been getting what I wanted with or without the money
Interviewer:  Um Well Talking about going into town Somebody would say they got in their car, they have done it how many times?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Talking about going into town, you might say I have often
748:  Mm-hmm walked into town, yeah, a million times, and back
Interviewer:  #1 Well #
748:  #2 Walked there and back # A million times
Interviewer:  Where- well you have walked, whereas most people have
748:  Well, some of 'em had the convenience Back, way back yonder some of 'em had horses to ride and some of 'em had wagons to go in And all like that, and I've, and a mare or two, I've seen times I didn't have that Now they got the cars
Interviewer:  Yeah, you have walked, right? But most other people have Have what? They have
748:  Well, most most people now got the cars {D: To go back to Folly}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  In fact I went to Little Rock yesterday Little little little go I'm gone to see my son
Interviewer:  How how of-, how often have you Gone to Little Rock?
748:  Oh I've been to Little Rock, I've been five or six times, I guess In my life Course I had some chil-, got children way on up there
Interviewer:  Yeah. You say you have what
748:  I got a son that live up there
Interviewer:  You have dri- uh #1 You #
748:  #2 I have {NW} # I have rode the bus And uh Then I went there and back with folks in cars I have rode the bus to Little, to Little Rock
Interviewer:  Or you have dri- have You've rode the bus or you've
748:  Went with somebody in car
Interviewer:  Dri-
748:  Went with somebody in a car #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You drive? #
748:  No I went with a man yesterday
Interviewer:  And he
748:  He done the driving He was going up there and I wanted to go up there and see my son, he said you can go with him, brother, {D: pay me} I went, I just sat back there in the back seat and looked Sat there in the back seat and listened, looked at 'em Up and down the road
Interviewer:  Yeah Um Now the parts of a wagon Can you give me some of the parts of a wagon, have you got a There's a long wooden piece between the horses
748:  Long wooden piece between the horses Oh that, I don't know, unless, unless it's a wagon tongue, that's all I can think of But then a wagon, a wag- a tongue, you know
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  That's all I
Interviewer:  When you get in a horse in between, backing into a buggy #1 You backing in #
748:  #2 Well now listen # That's shaft
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  That's one horse
Interviewer:  #1 What #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  What do you say to him?
748:  {NW} Tell the horse get up Now a one horse wagon, a one horse buggy It had shafts you see Them shafts they are See they'd come up On the horse thataway, you'd have a harness you know That you'd fasten on there
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  And uh, just go on in when ya When you had two horses A wagon It had a long tongue
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 And that # Tongue went up, from on up, to them horses' mouth Ya see? And uh, had singletrees And doubletrees back there on the wagon, ya see, and hooked on that That's what, and in the hor- and then hook in that bump {NS} line um a And leather lines, uh lines, to to gu- to gu- to guide 'em by
Interviewer:  What about the wheel?
748:  Well the wheel was just always a Um All we all had is wooden wheels
Interviewer:  Yeah? Tell me about them
748:  I ain't got none I don't have no {X} I don't have no wagon, I don't have no way of going down around except Uh Getting somebody cabbing
Interviewer:  What were them wheels like?
748:  What they like?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  They just round
Interviewer:  You had an inside, you had the #1 Hub #
748:  #2 Leather line # Just round you know, and them wheels are round Then they had a, what you call a hub Had spokes coming into that hub And then up into that, edge of that wheel, you see
Interviewer:  Th- that they fed into the what?
748:  That fed into the, that fed into that uh rim
Interviewer:  #1 Wooden? #
748:  #2 All right? # All right?
Interviewer:  The wooden rim?
748:  No They had uh Yeah wooden rim, that's right
Interviewer:  Okay and then #1 What #
748:  #2 Now now now listen # Wooden rim doesn't have a A what they call a tied-in, a wooden or i- iron tie To go in it See?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm You had to keep that In the, now in the summer sometimes, when it was hot #1 Weather #
748:  #2 {X} # You had to keep it in the, in, out of the weather, then they'd It would get dry, you know, and start going to pieces
Interviewer:  What happened to the wood? The wood
748:  And the wood uh would um dry
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah you take #
748:  #2 Don't want it to dry out # But you could, I tell you what you do Come the rain, you know, it'd swell back up and tighten up or you could pour water on if you wanted
Interviewer:  When you put water back on it, it did
748:  #1 Put put #
Interviewer:  #2 If it #
748:  Plenty of water on it, though
Interviewer:  Yep
748:  It'll, it'd cause it to swell up Tighten up
Interviewer:  Yeah Um {NS} Now, suppose there was a log in the road
748:  Well it ch-, a log in the road, now what about it? Well I tell you, in a in a, and you in the wagon? Well I tell you what you do, tell ya {NW} Had to stop that wagon and get that log out of the way before you do it, unless it's a Very big log Had to get it out someway, then you couldn't go, then you had to turn around and go back
Interviewer:  You tied a rope to it and
748:  Tie a rope to or else {NS} Cut it {NS} And and and get you a, a stick And uh Uh just keep on digging, in in and out of the way {NS} Yank it round out the way
Interviewer:  Tied a rope to it and #1 What #
748:  #2 No don't have to # Tie no rope to it if you're gonna do that Nothing but just cut it in two and get you a pick or hoe or something Just run under that That log Pick up on it, let it, let it slip it away Run, and just keep on 'til you got it rolled over
Interviewer:  Yeah {NS} Or you might tie a rope around it #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Well you # Could tie a rope around but i- But if you ain- but if you ain't got nothing to pull it And when you ain't got nothing but that Ya had, had to have a horse or something hitched #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Well # Say when you were out logging, you were
748:  Logging
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 You'd tie the #
748:  #2 Well #
Interviewer:  Rope to it and
748:  No I didn't put no rope, chain
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Put chains # In a in a, chains and grabs If you logging Take you a chain, long chain and have Some hook, grabber, grabs When you just, hook that grab around that log, you see That long chain 'til you haul it together, you gone
Interviewer:  And you did what, you you say you did what with the log?
748:  {NW} If you wanna haul them logs, wanna get 'em out of the way now, wanna haul 'em to a mill or something
Interviewer:  Sure
748:  You'd drag 'em up To your wagon where you wanna load 'em, then when you wanna load 'em you have you some skid pulls
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And put 'em up In there on, on the side of that wagon
Interviewer:  And then you did what, you
748:  Well when you put 'em on the side of the wagon, you se- you go around the other side then Ya see And you hook your Take your chain And have that chain, you know, come by that way and drive that and that just Pull that log out on or right on up on top
Interviewer:  And you did what, you dr-, you
748:  Well when you got up there now uh You take the chain down
Interviewer:  You'd dr- you'd Talking about dragging a log, you say
748:  #1 Well ya #
Interviewer:  #2 I # Tied a rope to it and I
748:  No not rope, tie chain to the rope, uh
Interviewer:  #1 I tied a chain to it #
748:  #2 With uh with grabs # With grabs
Interviewer:  Yes sir
748:  They had things you know you just {NW} Man that thing'd just grab a log and go on
Interviewer:  Yeah You say, I tied a A chain to it and
748:  Yeah, you could say you
Interviewer:  I grabbed a chain
748:  #1 Well that's right, that's, that's right, that's right #
Interviewer:  #2 And it, and it what, it gr- # Mm-hmm Um Now What do you call that X-shaped frame you might lay a board across?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  An X-shaped frame you might lay a board across when you were sawing When you had to saw a board where would you put it? Say you're doing some carpentry work, where would you saw it?
748:  Well, I tell ya if I was gonna saw a board Only way I know, have, did have a Uh Just lay the board down on something and, and put a weight on it, just saw it is all I know
Interviewer:  Yeah? #1 Did you ever see the things that were made #
748:  #2 I have, I have, yeah I # I have seen things though, you, that uh, but I never did use one of 'em That uh {NW} You'd go thataway thataway And lay a plank up in thataway and saw it
Interviewer:  #1 What'd they call 'em? #
748:  #2 I know, I know # Well they call 'em uh jacks
Interviewer:  Jacks? Were they X-shaped?
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Did you ever see on that was A-shaped? And uh You might Uh You might use these now and uh, they'd have two A's and a and a board that fit between 'em That was a saw-what?
748:  I never had no, no mm uh, or that, see I never did no carpentry work, I never did bought that {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah Now Um You'd straighten your hair with a comb and a
748:  Comb and a brush
Interviewer:  Say you take a brush and you'd
748:  When it gets long I'd have it cut off {NW}
Interviewer:  Folks had a lot longer
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Had a lot longer back in the old days, didn't they?
748:  Well that's true, yeah way back Lot of folk done gone to wearing its that away now
Interviewer:  Have they?
748:  You've seen folks {D: round now, hair that away all} on their face and everything, don't you?
Interviewer:  They got a what?
748:  You just, a beards Long beards and all that stuff And uh, men going out around, hair way long like that shit But used to you didn't see that Men had to have cut off, with shaved face {NW} Now Now some of you men going around there now have on like that
Interviewer:  And you'd #1 Comb #
748:  #2 All over their # All over their face you know, and all down down
Interviewer:  You comb your hair, you You, you br-, you You wanted a straighten you'd comb it or you'd
748:  Maybe want it, when you'd comb it though, then you'd take a brush
Interviewer:  And you'd br- and you'd
748:  Brush it, that'll have to, that'll straighten it out
Interviewer:  Yeah Um Now In a revolver you'd put what?
748:  What you mean, now, about that?
Interviewer:  In, you know in a gun, or a #1 A pistol #
748:  #2 Oh uh # Cartridges?
Interviewer:  Mm-kay
748:  Just like you put shells in the shotgun, you know
Interviewer:  Yeah Well Now The ch- the playground equipment that children are play on That'd do this
748:  Well it, some of 'em call 'em a Let's see, what they call them thing
Interviewer:  You ever have, z- 'em?
748:  I know I know what you're talking about
Interviewer:  #1 One person'd get on one end #
748:  #2 Well I know # I know, I'm I'm just thinking about trying
Interviewer:  Say you were
748:  I'm trying to what t- k- think about what to call that now, I know, here I've plenty to know
Interviewer:  #1 Teeter #
748:  #2 I get on one end # The other go go on up I'd jump up Can't think now what
Interviewer:  #1 Teeter-totter, or #
748:  #2 What they what they call it # I just can't think what they call it
Interviewer:  See-
748:  See-saw, there you
Interviewer:  You'd get on it and you'd say you were doing what, you were
748:  Well if you get on it, you just having fun's all I know
Interviewer:  Um Now What about one Did you ever see those, mister, uh Mister {B} That were anchored in the middle, maybe? And they'd go around and round?
748:  They call them uh {D: Whirlwigs}
Interviewer:  Whirl-
748:  #1 {D: Whirlwigs} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Whirliwigs} # Now you might tie one to a tree and you'd
748:  Well, that's a swing
Interviewer:  Yeah? {NS} Or you might pit- you might do, you might Did you have that game you'd play, you'd {D: Put a couple of stobs} And you'd Toss things at 'em, you, you'd say you were doing what, you were
748:  Well um
Interviewer:  {D: Try and get closest to the stob}
748:  Yeah well
Interviewer:  You'd take them and What would you say you were doing? You ever hear of that game?
748:  No I don't think so
Interviewer:  You'd use these, these came off a horse's feet
748:  That's a horseshoe, they call Horseshoes?
Interviewer:  Yeah You ever play that game? You ever play a game?
748:  Yeah, yeah I have, yeah I have, similar yes
Interviewer:  What was the game?
748:  Well you just I don't know what you call it now but I sure have played it a little bit in my life #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yep #
748:  Horseshoe out there now {NW}
Interviewer:  Can you remember any other games you played when you were young?
748:  Do what?
Interviewer:  Other games you played when you were
748:  Well listen now I played in a jumble, just Just old plain baseball and marbles and uh Uh that's about the biggest thing because I never did uh Play no checkers and things like that Biggest thing now I played was Marbles and baseball Marbles and baseball Course I've seen them other kind of game played, but not that I've played
Interviewer:  Any games folks would play at night?
748:  Basketball
Interviewer:  Games you might play at night or anything like that?
748:  At night?
Interviewer:  Bunch of kids would get together and
748:  Well I don't mm Don't remember nothing
Interviewer:  One'd be it You'd play Try and get the others, anything like that, hide and
748:  Have played hide and seek, I've played that now
Interviewer:  #1 Tell, tell me about that #
748:  #2 Hide and seek # Well hide and seek is um Is uh Listen, there you Make a lad got his eyes shut and they then the others go and hide {NS} {NW} And they others, then they'd just get and they'd go seek him out and find where it at
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Hide and seek
Interviewer:  Did you have a place you could get back to and you'd be safe?
748:  Be safe?
Interviewer:  Yeah, you'd call that the
748:  A hide and seek?
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 Well sometimes # You know, but Put and just play hide and seek, just run out there in the bushes or anywhere else And uh and you had to hunt until you found him
Interviewer:  Any other kind of games you might play?
748:  No I don't remember nothing about no games I've played that I can come up with As I told you, marbles and baseball
Interviewer:  Yeah What about them things people'd play in their mouth?
748:  Harps? They had two kinds, a harp and a Jew's harp
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  A Jew's harp, put it in, them things surely make could make good music, I love them Man uh put them things, yeah put in your mouth and on hold and just And they kinda {NW} That's that now they call it a Jew's harp
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And others, you know, there's a blowing harp you {X}
Interviewer:  What did you do with that?
748:  Well they just blow 'em, just Uh just just just blow it 'til you actually find Fine and coarse side to it, you know If you wanted playing a song, you know You just um Turn thataway, maybe over to the to the right side {NW} To to to one side, that's what was the fine music, if you wanna Uh little coarser just turn a little {NW}
Interviewer:  Mouth harp? French harp?
748:  Uh these are I mean a harp {D: Not actually in the string} It had notes in it
Interviewer:  Yeah {NW} Um Did you, did you ever have a container for coal? That you might keep near the stove or the fireplace?
748:  No never did have no container, I often Took it out the only That way I can See the {X} just Pile the wood out on the porch When I got ready for it just go out there and get some more
Interviewer:  Yeah? What runs from the stove To the chimney?
748:  Stove to the chimney?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well the pipe Stove pipe
Interviewer:  Okay What's the flue? Is that
748:  Well the flue is a thing built to to s- to to Um To stick a pipe in off a stove In that flue, brick flue Then that'll got the smoke on up there
Interviewer:  Yeah? Did you ever use maybe a Put coal in a bottle?
748:  #1 A what? #
Interviewer:  #2 Then you might # Stuff a rag in the top of that and you make a what?
748:  Put coal in the bottle and do what now?
Interviewer:  When you had to go out at night #1 And you didn't have a #
748:  #2 Oh well #
Interviewer:  When you didn't have a lantern #1 {D: Ring} #
748:  #2 Well I # Tell ya I've ev- I've seen that done but I never did do it I never used one of them lantern or torchlight
Interviewer:  A what?
748:  Torchlight, from cracked pine, find you some cracked pine, you know, just And man you can go anywhere you want with that {X} I can remember when Folks used to Uh Um Go, go bird thrashing Clear up a big new ground, big old heaps built up around it For them bush, you know Them birds would go in them heaps rest, roost And I've seen, when, I have done that, go there and shake that bush, at night Have torches you know, big torchlight Them bird fly, catch 'em up and down
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  Torchlight
Interviewer:  What kind of bird?
748:  Pine, just rich pine, then I seen folks Maybe you wanna go somewhere Same thing, didn't have a lantern, get him a torch light, he's going
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Give him some cracked pine
Interviewer:  Yeah If something is squeaking Uh like, what did you used to put on a wagon wheel?
748:  Well a- axle grease
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Axle we called it axle grease
Interviewer:  Yeah you took that grease and you
748:  Just take that wheel {NW} Pull it off that little bit And put a little of that paste Paste that wheel on that {NW} See and then and stick it back then in that
Interviewer:  What'd you do, you
748:  Well you had to take it a-, take it, say you had Unscrew it
Interviewer:  And you did what, you gr-
748:  Well you unscrew it then when you unscrew it you pull it off a little bit, not plumb off Then put you some of that axle grease on there Have a little packet And slip it back on there and put that cap back on there or the wheel'll run off
Interviewer:  Yeah? You say you did what, you You gr- you You did what to the wheel?
748:  Well Uh the wheel that went to squeaking, put some axle grease on it
Interviewer:  Yeah, you say you
748:  Screwed Had had to unscrew that tap On the end of it, thataway And flip that wheel out a little bit, and put that a- a- that axle grease on that and it's Flip back and then put that cap back on there
Interviewer:  Yeah Okay I, I what, I I did what to my car, I did, I What to my
748:  Well I just say I I I greased my wagon
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 And I got my hands all #
748:  Well if I got my hands on there I went and washed 'em
Interviewer:  They were all what?
748:  All dirty, filled it up, and I went and cleaned 'em up with some soap and water
Interviewer:  Yeah if you got grease all over your hands
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You'd say # They were all
748:  Mm-hmm, same thing got
Interviewer:  They're all what, grea-
748:  All greased up
Interviewer:  Greasy?
748:  Grease, and sometimes, why I've seen greased Get on that, you have them Be able to take a little, take black grease, some of this, take coal and rub all it in
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {NS}
Interviewer:  You know, some people don't like to eat certain foods that are fried in oil because they say they're too They claim they're too what, too
748:  Too fat?
Interviewer:  Too gr- too
748:  Too greasy, or fat, or something like that?
Interviewer:  Greasy? Yeah {NS} Um Now Uh {NS} Do you like to fish?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You like to fish?
748:  Like to fish?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well I never could catch no fish much, I went a little bit and caught a few, didn't even bite my rope I don't know how come, I've seen men fishing Folks just catching just Jack a bunch in and then {X} I have some white friends That I went to fishing with 'em and last time I remember going with them We went to a place called uh Grand Mill Lake We got in a boat And they're just a-pulling {X} The man and his wife both spoke the same time, I got a nickname, called me Man Man, hand me that pole there I ain't telling, say what they done They took Got hook and line off that pole They put another hook and line on that pole, with a with a cork on it On that line, you see Then they baited that hook with a minnow And said now, we was catching crawfish with that Don't jack 'em now, they mouth {X} And I gone pulled 'em out, don't know who done the motor good, me or him I mean my white friend I just {NW} Just reached just down there
Interviewer:  #1 You #
748:  #2 {X} # When they pulled the cork under said just left him out Don't jack it
Interviewer:  You commenced to pull him out?
748:  Jack him, don't jack him, tear his mouth on them, them crawfishes will His mouth tender Jack other fish, who jacking with Crawfish, catch 'em with With mild temper Some folk call 'em white perch
Interviewer:  What kind of boat were you in?
748:  Just in a, well we was in a Little metal boat Paddle boat
Interviewer:  What do they call that?
748:  All I know just a Just a runabout boat's only way I know
Interviewer:  Yeah You ever seen them boats that were narrow at the Pointed at the front?
748:  Well that's true, I've seen another
Interviewer:  #1 Look #
748:  #2 I've seen # I've seen homemade boats, you know, made thataway
Interviewer:  What do they call 'em? Jon?
748:  Yeah just made, Jon
Interviewer:  Jon boats?
748:  Yeah, that's all I've
Interviewer:  What about the real narrow ones? Uh
748:  Well uh
Interviewer:  A pirogue or a
748:  Yeah that's right, a rake
Interviewer:  A backhoe, you ever hear? Never heard of them, okay Now When you first get in a boat, you say you're doing what, you're gonna
748:  Well uh, when you first get in a boat you need to sit down
Interviewer:  And somebody does what to it?
748:  Then the next time, when the next thing you wanna do Is you do you have a paddle, a long paddle
Interviewer:  How do you get out?
748:  Well I tell you, when you put the paddle, it's in, you just push Off from the bank, and that paddle and paddle where you want then when you want to come back Just paddle up to that then Paddle up to the where you want to get out at
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And stop the boat And just come on out
Interviewer:  You ever built a boat?
748:  Ever what?
Interviewer:  Built a boat?
748:  Been in a boat
Interviewer:  Built
748:  No I never built one, but I've, I've never seen one built but I've seen boats that have been built
Interviewer:  Now You may have just built a boat and you're gonna do what, you say you're gonna Put it in the water for the first time
748:  Well
Interviewer:  You say you're doing what, you're
748:  Well you
Interviewer:  Lau-
748:  Well the thing you put in the water for the first time, you putting that into The the the swell up so it won't in
Interviewer:  You're launch
748:  That's the same thing I guess, and then uh
Interviewer:  Launching the boat?
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  You know what it means to launch?
748:  No I don't think
Interviewer:  Mm Yeah But uh Now, did you ever like to go swimming?
748:  I've been in the water, played in the water all I done it when I was a kid more than a little bit but I never did learn, never did learn how to swim I've played in water, but I didn't learn how to sw- Ought to have but I didn't I've been out all day long Course I was a boy living about these folks and To tell you the truth, me and I've been out All day long playing with six, seven, eight, or ten white boys, I was the only black boy in the bunch {NW} They could swim real neat, I never just learned how to swim I don't know how come I didn't but I didn't
Interviewer:  If a boy wanted to get across the river he Ran up to the edge and he
748:  Well if a boy, if one wanted to get across now, he went and got a boat or something Why Another boy, if if he could swim, if he could swim he just went down and swim across You can't swim across, there's another thing Uh Sometime I've seen times where I've had, I, in other words I've had 'em help me across Them that could swim, them that could, and well they'd just lead me across
Interviewer:  Yeah Well you say a boy went up to the edge of the water and he He did what, he
748:  Well with the boat now you just push your boat and pull your You you you paddle {C: Noise in previous line} You paddle your boat, paddle your boat on up And that The other way when you paddle a boat to the edge, you know Uh let it run up on the ground, like Course now when you're going off, the boat have to be down in the water, you see Though you want to stop and paddle that boat Til the point to where it'll kinda run up on the edge of this bank And come out the end Then when you wanna go Why you just take your paddle Push on this side, that side and make you push it on up, push it on out into the water {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah Okay if the boy had to swim across the lake You'd say he went up to the Side of the
748:  Well I tell you, if one If one had to swim across that's the only way, he just got in there and swum, that's all I know
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  One that couldn't swim, and you wanted him to get across, you just had to help him get across
Interviewer:  Yeah You did what, you
748:  Well that's the way you had to paddle, you know, thataway, that's the way they done but I never did just m-
Interviewer:  No um Somebody was up on a high place in the water and they You ever see 'em do that? They'd get up in a tree over uh Over the water?
748:  Yeah I don't I don't ever played up no tree, never seen 'em
Interviewer:  And they'd do what, they would
748:  Uh you mean dive?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Oh well, I've never done that Yeah I've seen folk dive, you know, dove in summer, don't care what they have Boys on the bank, a tree or what, just down and then they, come up that's dive
Interviewer:  Yeah? You say the boy He did what, he To get up the tree
748:  Yeah get up on the tree or a limb or anything you wanted to get up on Tree kinda high on the bank of the water, you see Just Jump off in there and dive in
Interviewer:  You ever see a boy, what would he do? How would he get up the tree? He did what? #1 He #
748:  #2 {X} # {D: Done the tree, clambed up there, just clambed up}
Interviewer:  {D: Clambed up the tree and he did, and he} {D: You say he clambed up the tree and}
748:  {D: That's right clambed up the tree and then when you wanna jump off,} he just jumped off {C: NS from 58:42 to 59:10}
Interviewer:  D- you say he di- {NS} He did what, he {NS}
748:  Dived off
Interviewer:  {D: Clambed up the tree and dived off?}
748:  Mm-hmm dived off, and then down in the water {NS}
Interviewer:  Would you ever seen somebody turn a Something in air? You ever hear that? Say they turned a
748:  {NS}
Interviewer:  What {NW} A what?
748:  Mm I don't remember
Interviewer:  Somer-
748:  Don't know, know what you're talking about
Interviewer:  Well when you're on the ground you roll over You turn a
748:  Somerset?
Interviewer:  Somerset When somebody's diving and they don't land right {NS} They do a what?
748:  I just tell you all I know is they hit the water cause I never did dive
Interviewer:  A belly
748:  Yeah you's belly up
Interviewer:  It He landed on his belly, they'd say he did a belly- {NS}
748:  No I tell you when you're diving you know, they You just dive, right, the heads go in the water When they swimming they won't, they belly's up there, but when they diving, you know they got to Turn the head down to go under {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah {C: Audio distorted from this point on} What if they landed wrong? They'd get their, they'd be redder than an Indian
748:  Well that's right
Interviewer:  Or Really hurt Yup
748:  {X} {X} {X}
Interviewer:  How you been?
748:  Well I'm just about as well as you'd expect out of me {NS} Told my doctor a couple times I'm not looking to get sixteen no more {NW}
Interviewer:  You doing okay?
748:  Bout as well as you'd expect out of me with my age and my issues
Interviewer:  {NS} Yeah? Um {NS} What kind of day would you say we're having?
748:  What's that? Day?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Today? Well I say it's gonna be a pretty day today {NS} Today And tomorrow maybe
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And then
Interviewer:  {NS} Yeah
748:  Sun's shining now, you know {NS} Everything's pretty good
Interviewer:  {NS} Yeah {NS} Y'all have weather like this a lot of the time?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You get weather like this a lot of the time?
748:  Well Sometimes, sometime it I have known just rain, rain, rain and rain and rain and I've known it to just get dry and dry and dry and dry {NS} But um, you have
Interviewer:  You say they're having a what, I'm having a What are they having?
748:  What?
Interviewer:  What are y'all having here?
748:  Oh I said that uh About the weather I said that uh They said it's gonna be pretty tomorrow, and {NS} Day after 'morrow Uh Now I'll tell you Wildlife I have seen In Union County, Arkansas
Interviewer:  Yes sir
748:  Where I were born in eighteen hundred and ninety-two We got rabbits Rabbits, you know, they jump about Jump about, and they good to eat
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  We, we eat them And then we have squirrels, squirrels play on trees, run around, and then we have them to eat
Interviewer:  What kind of squirrel you got?
748:  Well we have both We call it a cat squirrel and a fox squirrel, a little squirrel and a big squirrel But the fox squirrel is a bro- is a brown squirrel Cat squirrel is more, more or less a gray, uh gray, he's a smaller squirrel
Interviewer:  You got that little thing that runs around the ground? Looks like a squirrel
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You got that little thing that runs around the ground Looks like a squirrel maybe, but it doesn't have a tail? #1 Can't climb a tree? #
748:  #2 Yes uh # You talking about, in in the ground?
Interviewer:  Well Uh yeah, it nests in in in the ground I guess
748:  Well we got a mole He roots under the ground
Interviewer:  Got a gopher?
748:  He just roots under the ground, and Eats underground, and and eat your, c- eat your peanuts and things up, if you don't stop him We got a salamander, that do the same thing he uh where he do He'll do it under the ground but he up, cut him a hole and cut And bring that dirt out and pile it up And um Cut him a little bump, lump Bring it up and pile it up And they'll cut holes under ditches and things, make water, ditches under, um Uh Ditches run under our b- ditches, no I mean uh I mean uh now uh In other words they cut holes under our ditches Make gutters
Interviewer:  Ditches?
748:  Yeah, yeah just uh just run through on it, ju- cover, you have a ditch Somewhere, you know
Interviewer:  What's that for?
748:  Well a ditch is Takes water and run it Turn water any way you want it
Interviewer:  You say you're doing what with a
748:  #1 Well you see with a #
Interviewer:  #2 Ditch #
748:  Ditch, you know, if you gonna, got a, got a place you want to keep so much water out of Well you just cut you a ditch You see
Interviewer:  #1 Yes #
748:  #2 Have water around the # Right on down that ditch, now around there, and won't know, know where that ditch went
Interviewer:  #1 A ditch is #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  A ditch is for
748:  Ditch is for protection, you see, to keep water from running over
Interviewer:  For drink-, for
748:  Oh, oh our, oh our vegetables and things so bad Why we got 'em That's what it's for
Interviewer:  Yes sir
748:  Alright Now squirrels And rabbits, they eat on, they just eat on grass, and put some Things, and potatoes, thing every did you, they'll eat up your Your vegetables if you don't stop 'em
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Your cabbages, collards, and things like that Taters, every- I mean taters, on top of the ground That's what rabbits do. Now squirrels He eats um, more or less um {X} They grow on trees They eat um Some kind of a pecan They're eating {D: all your} pecans {NW} Get them up {NS} And uh They'll come in your cornfield, your corn Uh before it gets hardly And uh Get up that, stomp on your corn stalks and eat your corn up Squirrels'll do that Alright, we got possums Now possum It's a kind of a grayer back Something, little bigger than a cat And possums, we eat them, they, possums are good eating But I tell you one thing about a possum {D: until I think about it} Why Catch you a possum And um Put him up Feed him a little bit and clean him out, I'll tell you mean why They'll go up on ol' dead carcasses and anything eat See? Just any ol' thing That's what possums Alright, coons A coon uh He feeds on Uh Vegetation Your corn Things like that that he can get to and he And uh They can run up trees I have caught 'em That they kill 'em up trees, you know And um We take both coon, take a coon and skin it Little coon hide We stretch it right In the right kind of year, you sell it and get money on it We have minks Minks is a little old Dark something, he run around and on like Stay around wet places Cut into places back up on the dirt bank Where that fur Oh that, oh you can use that fur as a fur, you know That that, that mink fur That's good, that's that that that's an expensive hide, you get a good Get a mink And stretch it hide right At the right time, you can get a good price for it
Interviewer:  Them kinda things that come and raid your chicken nest
748:  Well um Minks um Uh Let's see
Interviewer:  You got a lot of things that'll raid your chicken nest, mister {B}?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You got a lot of things that raid your chicken nest all the time?
748:  {D: Things that rai- raisin?}
Interviewer:  Raid your chicken nest, go in your chicken nest
748:  Yeah, got things here what'll go in your chicken nest and get your eggs out of there now, tell you what'll do that
Interviewer:  Just a lot of
748:  Snakes'll do that Snakes Crawl up in them egg, in that nest Just swallow them eggs Swallow them egg {NW} Swallow 'em
Interviewer:  They'll take an egg #1 And #
748:  #2 Well # Just, they they swallow the whole egg now, listen Then they writhe around some and bust that egg to pieces Up in they belly That's what snakes
Interviewer:  I don't see how they can It's so big, how can they
748:  Well you see, uh, that is, they, you know, a little snake couldn't swallow an egg, but a good big snake, I'm talking about a big snake We have chicken snakes, what we call chicken snakes Sometimes I've seen 'em Uh seven Maybe s- six, seven foot long
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 Great # Big one
Interviewer:  They go right up to the egg and
748:  Well yes, go down, crawl up there and crawl in they Get in there and crawl around that ol' hen and get them eggs
Interviewer:  #1 And #
748:  #2 Got # Ol' hen, if the ol' hen ain't On there, if she ain't just get in on that to get 'em in there
Interviewer:  And they'll They go up to the egg and
748:  Well they'd swallow the egg
Interviewer:  Swallow it?
748:  Get, they get the egg and get it out, then they'll break it Take that egg out of the nest when they big enough And swallow that whole egg When they swallow that whole egg Then how they Get it in their stomach, after they get their stomach They can wrap around some and bust that egg And um We have a Snake, another kind of a snake called a coachwhip That's a long snake, he's a, he he he he he's not supposed to be a real dangerous, poison snake But that snake I've seen him grow seven, eight Feet long That A coachwhip Can {NW} Clumb up, that is if you walk by a tree or something, he can stand up By a little bush or something And see, get a Look, and he long {X} They have a speckled {D: lung} Snake He's a Uh Kind of a Black And white speckled
Interviewer:  Have you got that, uh Now a lot of things that might come and raid your hen house and just generally
748:  Well I'll tell you what'll raid your hen house, your possums, possums'll raid your hen house
Interviewer:  Yeah, you say, you might hear a
748:  Yeah yeah yeah your chickens out there, you go out there and sometimes a possum's out there
Interviewer:  Yeah, you might say Whatever that thing is I'm gonna go out and kill that I'm gonna get me a gun and go out and kill that
748:  Well
Interviewer:  All those things that that bother you #1 You know #
748:  #2 You hear you hear # When you hear your chicken Something in your chickens You get your gun, go out there, I've went out there a lot of times, an ol' possum be in the hen house With the chicken Got to kill him, get him out of there, don't he'll kill it, kill some of your chickens Kill him some and eat 'em up #1 Um #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh # All them things that that just cause you misery and Rai- and raid your henhouse and eat your crops and things like that, you call them
748:  Yeah you see, things I told you what we call possums'll eat your crop up I mean I mean coons'll eat it up
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And squirrels'll eat 'em up
Interviewer:  Just a lot of var- uh
748:  And that you got uh Vegetables and things like that and corn and things like that You when you raise corn it'll come in for roasting, you, that's when you eat it Come in and roasting it, that's why Uh When it gets hard And squirrels'll go up that That stalk, they'll go up that stalk and And and {NW} {C: squirrel noises} They'll get that Uh shuck down on that stalk I mean on that corn when you eat it Mm get down it and eat 'em up I've killed 'em in 'em
Interviewer:  At the top of the corn stalk is the
748:  Well the co- yeah the to- top of a corn stalk is a ta- tassel, tossel I tell you what that tossel's for, they tell me and I, well I take Just like a bloom Uh and that whatever that is fall off of that bloom, you see All over that bloom down in that silk, corn got silks on it Just fall down in that, in it, that's where it gets its food {NS} {NW} Uh I've seen uh I've never seen no wild deer There's some here, there're plenty around here but I haven't seen 'em Deers And um #1 When you got a #
Interviewer:  #2 When you # Now all them things that bother ya, and You just call them var- uh var- Just a lotta Varm-?
748:  Varmints? Yeah varmints #1 Varmints, they wild #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  Varmints, you know? And uh
Interviewer:  #1 What about #
748:  #2 Uh # Know what else, they They'll, they head, do the dig down, come out That is they uh, and they, well you can't see 'em Some of 'em'll come out at night
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 Uh #
748:  #2 Some # Of 'em in the day time
Interviewer:  Are they big things?
748:  Well they're different sizes Different size. Coon A a big, a gro- big grown coon he'll grow up about that high {D: Possum about the same way, a squirrel is a little booger} See
Interviewer:  What about a chicken mouse? One of them mouses that'll kill chickens or something like that, is that a varmint?
748:  Well I'll tell ya, a mouse is a varmint alright but he won't kill your chickens A mouse'll just Cut holes in your house and just cut all around Get in your house and cut your clothes up and everything else
Interviewer:  Hmm
748:  Get in your corn Crib Get in there and cut your, and he and and and he'll eat your corn up Get your potato out Eat your potatoes up That's what a mouse will do And then, the- the- there's two, there's a mouse and then there's a wharf rat A mouse is a little bigger He'll do, and and a wharf rat He'll do the same thing, but he's a bigger thing See? He's a bigger thing
Interviewer:  Have you got that kind of bird that can see in the dark?
748:  Well um We have what we call um
Interviewer:  {NW} {C: Hoo hoo} One that goes #1 Like that? #
748:  #2 Yeah we # We have them whip-poor-wills, you know now they whoop A whip-poor-will, no I don't, I guess they can see in the dark
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 I don't # Know about So much about
Interviewer:  You got the one that goes {NW} {C: Hoo hoo}
748:  Well that's an owl O- ol' owl, you know Ole owl, you know, yeah he can see in the dark
Interviewer:  What kind you got?
748:  Well that's a big old bird, great big old scoundrel #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 I mean what # Kind of owl
748:  Well, we just call 'em hooping owls, all I'd ever known to call 'em, hooping owl
Interviewer:  You ever heard that little one?
748:  Yeah, I assume, they they just Hoop, you know when they small they hoop they don't get as loud but when they get bigger they hoop louder
Interviewer:  Yeah You ever heard that big one that, I mean the little one that goes {NW} {C: Screech owl noise} Like that all the time?
748:  Well I'll tell you what about that, we got a flying squirrel Those do that, make that racket, I know
Interviewer:  #1 Screech owl? #
748:  #2 That # Flying squirrel
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  A flying squirrel And uh
Interviewer:  You got a screech owl? #1 Screech owl? #
748:  #2 And # And and he will uh Flying squirrel now, he'll make that racket too He just flies from tree to tree From tree to tree at night And um Different kind of snakes now, I never got through them snakes
Interviewer:  Have you ever gotten snake
748:  We got different kind of snakes #1 I never #
Interviewer:  #2 Have you ever # Have you ever gotten snake You know, gotten, had a snake come after you and gotten
748:  Come after you and run you?
Interviewer:  Have you ever gotten snake Bit, uh
748:  Snakebit?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  I haven't been snakebit but I know folks that have and I tell you what We got a rattlesnake That snake is a Is a light brown And dark spotted
Interviewer:  Yeah I know about them
748:  He got rattles on his tail Little things in the in the tail, if you if you you catch one, if you kill one As many rattles as is on that tail that's many years he is old You've got two rattles you got two years old, if he got ten you got ten years old
Interviewer:  What if you've got one rattle?
748:  Well if you got one you just got, he's just one years old Rattlesnake Now a rattlesnake if you, you get close Turn, disturb him Uh he'll rattle at you now You have that you better get out of the way Better get out of the way Cause that scoundrel's bad, he's dangerous We got a rattlesnake {D: python} Don't have rattles on 'em With the same color Light and brown He's dangerous
Interviewer:  His venom is
748:  He's he's dangerous I hear, he's dangerous and uh
Interviewer:  What do you mean they're dangerous?
748:  He's poison, that's what I'm talking about, he's poison That's what {NS} {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Now they got what are called uh Little garter snakes Biggest thing I've known them to do, you know, just stay around kind of wet places
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And uh
Interviewer:  Have you ever shot a deer?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Shot a deer?
748:  Deer I have never seen a wild deer, never shot one There's some around though, like wild deer {NS} Some around here though
Interviewer:  I thought you said you had one coming after you one time?
748:  A deer? Not a deer No not a deer, no not a deer, mm-mm
Interviewer:  Ran into the tree you were behind?
748:  No, no deer, no deer ain't gonna come out here That deer what he gonna do, he see you, he gonna get out the way
Interviewer:  Yeah Didn't you have something come after you one time and you had hid behind a tree and it ran into the tree?
748:  Ran into the tree?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Mm I don't remember nothing much
Interviewer:  {D: I thought I remember you telling me that story Mister Boysie}
748:  Maybe I have but I done forgot it right now Maybe I'll, maybe it'll come back over my mind right now
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  And uh We've got um What they call a s- You, I done told you about the speckled {D: lung}
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 They're not # They're not danger #1 Got a #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  Little old garter snake
Interviewer:  What kind of fish you got?
748:  Fish? Well we got perch Fish Catfish
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Then we've got uh Bri- I mean um White, I mean, yeah that that white perch that's the same thing Only you, you eat a bigger thing, we call them crappies What they call white perch, or or that's crappies A catfish of course, he's got fins on him, he's got dangerous fins on him And uh He's got them on his back and Tickled by him You know they can tickle them fins and you'll get They'll tickle for you, they they're danger They hurt you I never heard one Nobody have no sick spells from one But they'll sure make a bad sore #1 Now buffalo #
Interviewer:  #2 Now you #
748:  We got a buffalo
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  A buffalo well he's a Course you know when he's little he's just little but when he grows big he's just big
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 That's # Bi-
Interviewer:  #1 Bi- #
748:  #2 Now they got a # Let me see, what other kinds of fish uh We got eel
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  I tell you what eel is, eel is a thing He's slicker but he's made like a snake
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  He don't have no, don't have no, don't have no um Nothing to claw with, they don't have nothing to claw nothing to get, not an eel
Interviewer:  Yeah? Talking about that eel, would you say you're scared of eels or #1 You #
748:  #2 No you're # Scared of no eels Catch them scoundrels, eat 'em up
Interviewer:  {D: Joubles?} {D: Jouble something}
748:  That eel, good to eat the skin Clean 'em up, skin that hide and they good to eat But we got a lamp eel, now listen Check another kind of eel, a lamp eel, he have legs Now that uh that that that that that that that that uh that one Why is a We don't eat them They're not good eating They say they're poison, I haven't ever known nobody to eat one
Interviewer:  Yeah Have you got that kind of black and white animal that's got a real powerful smell to it?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  That black and white animal that's got a real powerful smell to it
748:  Well um Black and white animal
Interviewer:  He's always smelling up the place, you know?
748:  #1 I don't know #
Interviewer:  #2 You ever get him to # Squirt on you, boy you in a mess
748:  They squirt
Interviewer:  Yeah You know they find 'em out in the road Smelling up the road
748:  Well I'll tell ya I've tried to think about what that is now, I reckon
Interviewer:  Sometime's it'd break into your chicken house
748:  There's a cat, I think they call 'em polecat
Interviewer:  Polecat? #1 Now what about uh #
748:  #2 Now and and # They'll, they'll make a racket I mean uh That ol' saying said they'll, they'll make a screw out There and you best get out the way, you can't smell that stuff then {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah, have you ever heard of a squirrel called a boomer?
748:  No I haven't
Interviewer:  Okay
Neighbor 1:  {X}
Neighbor 2:  No
Interviewer:  Somebody up here to talk with you I think
Neighbor 1:  {X}
748:  Mm {X} #1 {X} Come on in there, a boy #
Neighbor 1:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  That's who?
748:  A boy, he'll be on in, gonna bring the mail
Neighbor 2:  Yeah I did
748:  {NS} {X} Both of them {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 He's what? #
748:  #2 Hey! #
Interviewer:  Um {NS} You got the, now what kind of things you got that might be around a pond?
748:  Do what?
Interviewer:  Around a pond at night
748:  Round a pond? Well I'll tell ya round a pond at night Um There'll be minks One of 'em, a mink is one of 'em And uh, let's see if I know anything else
Interviewer:  You hear them things that go {NW} {C: bullfrog ribbit} all the time?
748:  Uh now bullfrog
Interviewer:  Yeah, what kind of frogs you got?
748:  Well bull-, we got, di- different kind of frogs, we got a bullfrog, now bullfrog is a Uh he'll make that Uh ragged {NW} {C: bullfrog noise} But uh these little frogs don't do it, the bullfrogs now, they Folks uh catch them And sk- get the legs, you know
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  They good eating
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah, you ever eaten one? #
748:  #2 {NW} # Yeah I eaten bullfrogs, good Yeah bullfrog's good We got a crawfish In a fish pond we got a crawfish He's a fish that crawls around thataway and and and crooked tail up And uh there's nothing dangerous about him, he stay in the water And um Let's see
Interviewer:  What kind of other frogs you got?
748:  Frogs?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well I
Interviewer:  What about
748:  A toad frog, we call a toad frog and bullfrog's all I know
Interviewer:  You got them little ones that come out after a rain?
Neighbor 3:  Like a kind of tree, uh um tree frog Little bitty in a tree, little bitty ol' {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
Neighbor 3:  Sometimes you see 'em hanging upside the tree Where I come from them, that called a tree frog
Interviewer:  Yeah, what have you seen them? {NS}
748:  Yeah I've seen them Hmm tree frog They they can go up a tree
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
Neighbor 3:  And big old scorpion Big ol' scorpion Nothing we eat better Why they {X}
Interviewer:  Really?
Neighbor 3:  Bout that long. Now what kind of scorpion that? Now {NW} I've eat a lot of them too
748:  Yeah, bark scorpion, different kind of scorpion, scorpion is Some of 'em They use the scorpion, eats boiled He won't bite you unless you Want to catch him, something like that #1 He, he don't #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm #
748:  Try to run at you
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  I don't know but one snake'll lie at you A coachwhip will
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  A coachwhip I've hea- {NW} I've heard I've heard folks say that Way back yonder, I ain't ever seen that now They they Went to catch it And it wrapped around you know and then beat you, whooped you with the tail Now I don't know that, I ain't ever seen that A coachwhip is a long Black snake, sometime they brown tailed Sometimes the tail is brown
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  As I said, the In Scouting Run up, I was going down a trail one time {NW} We was, a bunch of us
Interviewer:  {X}
748:  And while we were going down that trail, there's a there's a coachwhip Run across the trail And some {D: simmon sprouts} out there And he run up You know he stood way up, one way up, long as he can, far as he can go standing on his tail But he didn't try to get us He's scared I reckon And we killed him, see Course just run up and hit it Hit it plumb the head and uh Knock him head and tooth, uh no- that is, knock him over Bring it down
Interviewer:  Hmm
748:  We have a spreading adder snake That's a danger snake That snake He's, made made, his m- his head's just like any other snake, but listen Uh If you disturbed him, he'd spread that {NW} He'll spread that head out Just really long, spread that out That's true It's funny, big show, d- he just spread it out, you know And lick his tongue right at ya
Interviewer:  Yeah? You, now you know anything about seafood? You ever eat What about them things you get in shells?
748:  Get 'em what?
Interviewer:  Get on the half shell
Neighbor 3:  Well well, what, what do oysters come out of? #1 {X} #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Yeah, you ever had them?
Neighbor 3:  I've seen 'em before {NW} I don't get 'em m-
Interviewer:  You ever had any seafood?
Neighbor 3:  Haven't seen an oyster in many years Shrimps I call 'em shrimps Like a, well they look just about like a Crawfish
Interviewer:  Yeah, have you ever had one of them?
Neighbor 3:  I've eaten s- #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
Neighbor 3:  {NW} I have
Interviewer:  Mr. {B} You ever eaten any shrimps?
748:  One time, I was {X}
Neighbor 3:  #1 Now how they get {X} #
748:  #2 {X} #
Neighbor 3:  #1 Shrimps and {X} #
748:  #2 {X} # A place down here on the side of the road, one of these eating places, and that's That's some what they serve And we eat down there. I had never eaten on it, said, that's kinda weird, that stuff sure was good
Interviewer:  What?
748:  {NW} Them shrimps I said
Interviewer:  Yeah Or oyst- uh
748:  Just Squirrel tails, you know #1 I mean uh I mean uh #
Neighbor 3:  #2 {X} {NW} # {X} you ever seen a snail?
Interviewer:  Yeah
Neighbor 3:  Well there's about {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah Have you ever seen them Mr. {B}? Them things that come in a shell? #1 Oyst- #
748:  #2 Shell? #
Interviewer:  Oysters
748:  Yeah, well I'll tell you yeah I've seen 'em A terrapin, you mean There's a terrapin and there's a turtle
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  A turtle's Stay more or less in the water A terrapin'll crawl around anywhere And he got, he got a big shell and #1 But #
Interviewer:  #2 Who #
748:  Crawl on thataway and disturb him Like that, something He'll shut up there, you know Just shut it up, that's it, tight {NW} You can up too, you take that scoundrel all around, he know, he won't
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Shut that mouth up, that that shell up just tight, just crawling He'll open that cr- up up when he's crawling, it's open His legs out, but when he, when he, disturbing him, draw his legs in that shell And shut up You see, shut that thing together {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah S- um Well Now let me Them things that um That, you ever had any oysters? Never had them?
748:  Well, I haven't, I never gonna eat some, I don't wanna buy no oysters That's that's that's kind of a, m- more or less kind of a water animal, now
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Go in water
Interviewer:  Yeah
Neighbor 3:  Another, -nother, -nother thing called a Crab. Now what is that? I've never seen none of them, now. What are they called?
Interviewer:  Yeah
Neighbor 3:  Crab
Interviewer:  Um What do you fish with, when you fish?
748:  Well, tell you what You fish with you It's different weights fish You dig deep fish you going to Take you a hole and get out and dig you some bait Them some little old earthworms Little worm
Interviewer:  Any different types?
748:  D- different types, that's what, going around. Some of 'em Long, some of 'em not, then we got one kind of earthworm is a He's a little old, kind of um, I forget the name of him but uh He just do thataway all the time #1 He's little but he #
Interviewer:  #2 Night #
748:  Put him in the water and and he do thataway 'til fish are gone to get that And these other big ones, bigger ones, you see you get your hook And just put him on your hook Down your hook, you see And Fish'll bite that So that's, that's the kind of worm. Now another thing Pull fish with sometimes, pull fish with what they call catawba worms That's a worm that uh Grew up, we got a tree here
Interviewer:  Catawba tree
748:  Catawba tree
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And I tell you what them worms'll do There there's a, there's an insect, I don't know what them now, the lined Some kind of a fly lay eggs now Have, have to get that summer there, and then they hatch They're growing growing growing, they'll just eat the leaves off the trees Great big trees, if you don't get 'em off there, get 'em off now Them good, the- them them them kinda ones catawba That's a good thing to fish it with Catawba worm
Interviewer:  Now What kind of insects, what might fly around the light at night?
748:  Well I'll tell you what we got, we got, we got a candle fly Now that's a kind of fly that I call now, about all I know, that he flies around that light Though cause acting like that thing out there and he Light, and they just love it.
Interviewer:  Miller?
748:  Just flying around, little old, kind of a fly, you know, he's small Some of 'em How they could str- stretch his wing out, anywhere from Oh I say from Quarter of an inch to To maybe an inch or two inch they get, I've seen 'em That can and a Butterfly now, butterfly He don't fly around at night. Butterfly, he don't Fly, he he's still here, he eats during the daytime Butterfly
Interviewer:  What about that, that insect that'll eat your clothes up?
748:  Well that insect that'll eat your clothes up, that's a Uh
Interviewer:  You gotta put them balls in your clothes
748:  Well, I tell you what I'm trying to think about it's called But um
Interviewer:  Something balls, moth?
748:  That's right, mothballs. I know what What it, but I can't think of the name of the thing now that it'll, it'll, it'll get to your clothes, eat 'em up
Interviewer:  What's that, what other thing? Moth?
748:  Mm moth, they ain't they ain't a moth, it's a little old, little old insect, little old uh
Interviewer:  D- do you know what a moth is?
748:  Hmm-mm Anyhow, them things'll eat your clothes up if you don't get 'em off
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Get 'em out And um, we got a Ant
Interviewer:  Yeah, we used to Now we used to catch this one thing in a jar at night
748:  Catch what?
Interviewer:  Catch these insects in a jar at night
748:  Well yeah, I
Interviewer:  And they'd fly around the jar and
748:  Well that's, see, what else do you, where'd you see, don't know way you've
Interviewer:  Did you ever see them?
748:  I've seen them, I have
Interviewer:  They'd light up
748:  I've seen, oh, lightning bug Yeah that's a lightning bug They light up, you know, you, you can take them home with that lighting and Night cut it off And he'll, they'll do that flying
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 You'll see 'em # Flying around And uh, old lightning bug, you know {NW} {C: lightning bug noise} They light, they c- light, light light and boom That's a lightning bug
Interviewer:  Uh yeah Now Sometimes when you'd be fishing with a cane pole This, this thing'd come and land, maybe on the end of your pole You ever see them?
748:  Do what?
Interviewer:  Some-, sometimes when you're fishing with a cane pole at a lake This thing, this kind of thing would come and land on the end of your pole That, you know, they had big old #1 Eyes #
748:  #2 Uh # Um #1 I've I've had, I've had {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 And and transparent wings #
748:  I forget the name of them things now but They sure do, they got, kinda wings, and fly
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  But I can't think, can't call the name of it #1 Right now #
Interviewer:  #2 Darts around # Some-, when people saw it, some folks said that there was a snake nearby
Neighbor 3:  #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Well #
Neighbor 3:  I've been calling them uh {X}
748:  #1 Sometimes {X}, sometime maybe not #
Neighbor 3:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Mosquito hawk, or snake doctor?
Neighbor 3:  Hmm {X}
748:  I've heard of snake doctors, I didn't, I ain't seen one to #1 Know it, known, to know they're snake doctors #
Neighbor 3:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I've seen
Interviewer:  Yeah? Uh well, what kind of stinging insects you know about?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  What kind of stinging
748:  Oh, we've got yellow jackets
Interviewer:  Where do they nest?
748:  Well a yellow jacket More or less They make their hole, makes makes makes them a hole in the ground Lay they eggs and hatch 'em Make little yellow jackets, next time'll be Another thing, I tell you what And you disturb a nest, now You better get out of the way For them bugs'll sure sting Tell you another thing we got that'll sting you Is a, is a bee A a honey bee now, a honey bee, now he'll sting you too But he'll, he'll out there, he with that honey, he'll, he gonna make honey Now they make honey, go around them And and, gather 'em up some little web or some little old planks and things like that. He makes him a comb Well when he makes them combs, you see The two things he can do with that comb He lay his eggs in there, for one thing The next thing he do He go around To the flowers and things like that, you know This flower and that flower, that flower, that flower, that flower, you know And gather up that stuff they make honey out of And he put that in there In that comb That's what you call honey of the comb and you get that, it's good too Then we'll have a A bumblebee Uh, he'll cut holes in, in uh timber and things like that. And uh That bee will uh He will uh
Interviewer:  You got them things that'll Put a nest of kind of mud up on the side of your house?
748:  Sure, dirt daubers Dirt daubers, dirt daubers do that, see
Interviewer:  Yeah {NS}
748:  Old dirt dauber you know, he More than one thing he can do with his When he when he make, make them combs up on top and make 'em so And it's made out of clay
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And uh Sometime he Lay his eggs and then hatch little ones in there, sometimes Sometimes he, he get out and catch different kind of things that he want to eat later And store 'em in there You see Kinda like uh Ole {NW} Ole saying says uh Ole dirt dauber you know, he He prepare for his, he prepare for ahead, you know Save him some of it for his, store it up some Wise enough to store his food
Neighbor 3:  Have you got a rake that I can use for a little while on?
748:  Rake?
Neighbor 3:  #1 Get home #
748:  #2 What are you gonna do with a rake? #
Neighbor 3:  Well, handle gotta go back
748:  Huh?
Neighbor 3:  Well handle gotta go by the man
748:  When it, when are you gonna do that?
Neighbor 3:  I wanna just rake 'em up To the halfway point
748:  For digging?
Neighbor 3:  Need a rake, rake
748:  Yeah I got a yard rake
Neighbor 3:  {X}
748:  Huh? That what you want?
Neighbor 3:  Yeah
748:  Yeah I got a yard rake out there Oh you said your yard rake handle, yeah yeah yeah yeah I got a yard rake out there #1 There in the yard #
Neighbor 3:  #2 I'm gonna get it # {X} raking my yard, hmm
748:  #1 Now bring it back now #
Neighbor 3:  #2 Thank you # Okay
748:  {NW}
Neighbor 3:  {X} {NS}
748:  It's back in the back there somewhere {NS} You'll see it, hmm {NS}
Interviewer:  Nice to meet you sir
Neighbor 3:  Yeah sure
Interviewer:  #1 Take care of you now #
Neighbor 3:  #2 {X} # But a lot of your books and things {X}
748:  {NS} When they hatch out Lay eggs and then they hatch out I mean they lay out, and they'll they'll get in the timber, yeah, you know, in the wood
Interviewer:  Yeah? You ever see the ones that, them, them flying insects that make a big nests? #1 Like #
748:  #2 Yeah # Well that, I'll tell you what that is, that's what you, that's what you call a hornet
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 Tell you something else # A hornet His nest, he usually make his nest out of that web and stuff and just hang up on them
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Well now, he ain't gonna bother you, he, if you ain't been disturbing him, if get's Disturbed, you better get out there cause they they'll they'll Follow you, them sc- them scoundrels'll be so follow you across that road out there now Some of 'em will
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 They just take out the # They got behind you And you talking about a hurt, them things sure They they sting you
Interviewer:  Yeah? And then the ones that'll build maybe Small paper nests on the side of your house?
748:  Well um Inside the house now uh
Interviewer:  On the side of your house
748:  Well um Ole uh Not hornets, well I'll tell you what, dirt daubers do that
Interviewer:  Paper nests?
748:  Mm they dirt daubers'll build Things up in the side of the house {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah, dirt dauber These things look a lot like dirt daubers You ever heard of a wa- uh You got any wa-
748:  Wasp?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Yeah wasp, wasp, wasp, the dirt daubers If the other's like all yellow, a dirt dauber black More or less And a wasp Is a kind of a light Might say red
Interviewer:  You got any different types of wasps?
748:  Yeah we got a what they call a guinea wasp, that's a little bitty wasp
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  That's a little, boy when he sting he can hurt you too Then we got a bigger wasp You see #1 That's a #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  That's a brown wasp
Interviewer:  Yeah You know Sometimes when you're out in the woods uh, these things'll
748:  Well, ticks?
Interviewer:  Yeah, or or they raise welts on your skin
748:  Well that that #1 I tell you what #
Interviewer:  #2 Chi- #
748:  Uh
Interviewer:  Red
748:  Red bugs, now there's red bugs
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 I # Red bugs never did bother me, I never knew no red bugs bother me
Interviewer:  What
748:  And then you got, we got a little, a little bitty tick called a seed tick He'll crawl up on you
Interviewer:  Yeah? What about them things {NS} {C: slaps his arm} Get after you and you have to
748:  What?
Interviewer:  You're always out with your {NS} {C: slaps arm again} Smacking 'em, and
748:  Oh ye- yeah that's mosquito That's a mosquito
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And he hurt you too, he's There's different now, there's different species of 'em
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
748:  Some of 'em there's more Poison than others, but they they'll all all hurt you that away 'til, some of 'em just
Interviewer:  Some of 'em give you malaria, won't they?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Malaria?
748:  Yeah, some of 'em will
Interviewer:  Uh what do you take for malaria?
748:  Well I tell you I don't
Interviewer:  Never had it?
748:  N- I don't know, I haven't been bothered like to say what you have when
Interviewer:  Yeah You know, uh Now these things that might come around in your garden And they eat up all your Things that hop around like that
748:  Well that's grasshopper
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  We got a grasshopper now, he'll eat grass
Interviewer:  You ever heard people call 'em hoppergrasses?
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Who?
748:  Some of 'em call 'em grass, hoppergrass or grasshopper, it's the same thing
Interviewer:  Yeah Who calls 'em hoppergrass? Who?
748:  What'd you say?
Interviewer:  Do you know anybody who? Who calls 'em hoppergrass? Who would call 'em hoppergrass?
748:  No I don't know about hoppergrass, that's just You know every Know what they got different names to things but only way I know is just to say hop- grasshopper
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Just grasshopper
Interviewer:  Um You ever use any small fish for bait?
748:  Well I tell you we got a, there's a minnow That's a little thing that goes He's a Well I've seen 'em grow that long before, had some, but came now in different size, minnows And you catch them now, bait your hook with, and um
Interviewer:  Yeah Now, sometimes when you're in the house and you haven't cleaned for a while Up there in the #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Spiders # Spiders spiders spiderwebs Ole spider crawl all up there Make webs on the stairs while you can find some webs up there, some, I try to keep my webs clean
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 But uh # Anyhow They'll make webs and another thing ol' spider do sometimes, you know, make 'em a web Curl around And she a c- c- come way down on it, I've seen 'em {NW} Way down
Interviewer:  When you're walking through in the woods, out in the woods, you might run into a You might run into a what and have to get it off you
748:  Well a lot of times, a spider web they put there
Interviewer:  Yeah, cobweb?
748:  Cobweb, whatever you wanna call it, but you know that's the same thing, you know
Interviewer:  Cobweb #1 Spiderweb? #
748:  #2 Yeah #
Interviewer:  Um Now Can you tell me, uh, have you got that kind of bird that Is always Pecking on things?
748:  Oh have a, oh, a woodpecker Woodpecker, yeah that scoundrel be He'll peck holes in timber
Interviewer:  Yeah What, what different types?
748:  Different types?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well #1 The only #
Interviewer:  #2 You've got #
748:  Thing I know about a woodpecker, he's a, he's generally White and blue or, and his head's usually red, some of 'em And uh {NS} {NS} {X} Just keep on pecking on, pecking on it and they can peck a hole in the tree
Interviewer:  Have you got that big one that gets about the size of a half-grown chicken?
748:  Well uh I don't know, now I've never seen a peckerwood that, that big {X}
Interviewer:  You've never seen what?
748:  Never seen one that big
Interviewer:  Seen a what?
748:  Peckerwood
Interviewer:  That big
748:  No
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 There's a smaller one # Round, might say round here
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Not, no not, not like big as a chicken, you know
Interviewer:  Yeah Talking about a peckerwood, would you ever use that word about anybody?
748:  No Never did use it
Interviewer:  You ever heard it?
748:  I've heard it but I oh I never did use it
Interviewer:  Well who, what would it say? What would they say?
748:  Well they'd just say {NS} I done forgot what they what they say
Interviewer:  Huh?
748:  I done forgot what they say now Be honest with you
Interviewer:  Would, would folks ever say anything about that, about other people, you know, say "You peckerwood, you"?
748:  Yeah I've heard that {NS} {X} {NS} {NW} Old peckerwood done pecking on on all night and um Call uh we used to call people sometimes peckerwood that always messing somebody
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  {NW} Always begging somebody, talking about somebody {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Talking about you behind your back And all like that That's, that we used to call 'em peckerwood sometimes, and you a peckerwood
Interviewer:  Have any other names?
748:  Mm well Some folks may call 'em devils They'd call 'em a fool or something like that And I've heard folks cussing but I never did cuss none That's one thing I never did do
Interviewer:  What would you hear 'em say?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  What would you hear 'em say?
748:  Oh I've heard 'em say "God damn" and all sorts of stuff like that "Damn fool" and all like, like I says, I never did use that stuff
Interviewer:  Yeah? Would you ever #1 Call 'em #
748:  #2 It's # Really really cussing is wh- when you use God's name in it Just like "God damn you" or something really like that, that's cussing But I never did do that Never did do that {NS}
Interviewer:  {NS} Yeah? {NS} {NS} What time is it? {NS}
748:  What time is it? It's ten o clock {NS} Late, I tell you that clock's about ten minutes fast {NS} Later Maybe a little #1 {NS} Fast #
Interviewer:  #2 {NS} No it's just # {NS} Couple minutes fast
748:  #1 {NS} {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NS} According to my watch #
748:  {NS} Yeah But any- anyhow, that's where it's straggling {NW} My watch loses, uh gained, uh loses time
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  That's the way it is I could set it up And uh It'll lose time, lose time back now, and I'm used to it, you know, and I don't think about what it is
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  Don't T- like my watch, my watch here will lose time I can set my watch up {NS} Lately, I can set my watch up right now on ten o clock And uh And uh Maybe When twelve o clock, uh maybe when it's night now, listen It's it's on, say if it's on ten o clock now Keep it running Maybe tonight, you know, uh it'll be a little bit before ten So I lose time It don't gain time, it'll it'll lose, my watch'll lose time It don't gain time it lose time Maybe lose four, two or three or four minutes like that a day, on like that {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah That clock up on the On the mantel {NS} No uh {NS} Yeah, any- Well In other words Uh i- Lo- I know a long time ago they used to have Special facilities and everything and Different restrooms and And Different schools for
748:  Well way back yonder We had closets, we call clothes to hang our clothes in We call 'em closets A little something built in the house
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  We hang all the clothes in {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah but #
748:  #2 {X} # Come to restrooms, of course, a way back yonder We just had a little shack built outdoors somewhere, ya know And uh Didn't have running water in it, that little shack built outdoors Little bitty house And and and put you some Make you put you a plank {NS} Build it up and then put your plank right about where you sit down {X} And cut you a hole in it And then just sit, sit down on that and do what you want to do with it
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Just pile up down there on the ground
Interviewer:  No I was talking about uh For different people, you know they used to have Years ago when you went into town you couldn't Maybe you couldn't ride a certain bus or something like that
748:  Oh well, now, yeah, well, of course, now that Uh Where I've seen 'em, tell you what I've seen Course it's not thataway now. I've seen that uh If a colored folk got on the bus I've seen 'em take {NS} And the colored folks have to go back behind that, had to go on the on the back, stay in the back And the white folks sit up there, but they don't do that no more, they don't have no {D: issue} I've seen, I rode trains that, trains that same way People, I don't see that now I don't see that now
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  No I don't see it Don't see it
Interviewer:  Now, you're a I'm a, I'm a what, I'm a
748:  Well I called, I just said, I just say you is a white man {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay and you're a
748:  I'm a nigger
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  You white and I'm black
Interviewer:  Yeah, did they have any other names for 'em, in other words Did, did y'all, did, would would black people call white people, would they have any names for 'em?
748:  Well biggest thing I know they just "White folks" is all I know
Interviewer:  Yeah, would they Would they have any uh, would white people have names for black people?
748:  Well yes, they'd sometime they'd call 'em As a rude they'd call, some of 'em call call "nigger"
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  They'd just call 'em "nigger", have it "Hey nigger, whatcha doing?" "Nigger, what's up?"
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 Then # Some of 'em would call you "Tom" or Or "John" or whatever name they can think of
Interviewer:  John. By your #1 Name, then? #
748:  #2 I, what I mean # I mean calling you any- anything they can think of, just call you by it, just Just name you theyself {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah Yeah? When a, when a white man got mad at a black man What would he say to him?
748:  Well he'd call him a son of a bitch, black son of a bitch I've {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And I've heard white fo-, uh niggers call a white man a white son of a bitch, too
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  See? {D: see}
Interviewer:  Any other names? Like pet
748:  Well sometimes you
Interviewer:  {X}
748:  Maybe a devil or a Uh A low down rascal or something like that, you know
Interviewer:  Yeah Now When you work for somebody, you y- call him
748:  Well, I work for somebody, tell you what I call Uh Way back yonder told me used to say "Master" but I just say "Mister so-and-so" Say I've worked, I've worked all around thataway I have a best friend, I have white friends but {X} Man named {B} I just say mister {B}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And everybody called me "Man". That's just, that's just a nickname "Man?" That's the way we talk to one another
Interviewer:  Yeah? {NS} Did you, um {NS} Now {NS} What about that tire company in town, have you heard of #1 That? #
748:  #2 What's that? #
Interviewer:  You know about that tire company in town?
748:  Power company?
Interviewer:  Tire. Rubber company
748:  Now I don't know nothing about that, I've never been in there and looked at it.
Interviewer:  Well have you heard of it?
748:  I've heard of it
Interviewer:  What's the name of it? Coop- uh That rubber, tire company?
748:  Well yeah but that's I think, I think that's it, I'm not sure, to be honest with you can't think right now
Interviewer:  Yeah, Coop- Coop-
748:  Cooper, I mean Cook's Cook's Rubber and Tire Company and all #1 Like that? #
Interviewer:  #2 Cooper? #
748:  Just like a man running a hardware, just say uh Mack William's hardware
Interviewer:  Yeah? Well what's the name of that tire company that has a factory here?
748:  Uh I'm trying to think There's so many of 'em I just can't think #1 I don't know which one #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  Just several, got a plant and factory But I can't think of it right now
Interviewer:  Yeah You know what the Baseball Hall of Fame is?
748:  Baseball Hall of Fame
Interviewer:  You ever heard of something-town New York?
748:  I've heard about Baseball Hall of Fame now, now just what that
Interviewer:  Yeah Well that was the same name, Coop- Coop- That tire company in town, they call it the Cooper, Cooper
748:  Yeah well that is, I think you call it Cooper Tire Yeah, Cooper Tire, yeah I know the one, called Cooper Tire, I know
Interviewer:  In town?
748:  In town
Interviewer:  Now if you Um, how would you address a woman by that name?
748:  Well I wanna just tell you how I would address someone by that name I would just l- just say Miss Cooper
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  That's all I'd know to say
Interviewer:  If she was married you'd say
748:  Yeah I say Missus Cooper And if she wasn't married I'd ju- in a, in a I'd say Miss Cooper
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Mister and Missus If you're marry- if you're married, call you Mister Miss, Mister, and I guess uh Unmarried Missus
Interviewer:  Yeah Now Um We were talking about About names uh Would y'all have Would you have People White or black that would get married or anything like that?
748:  Well in this section of country we haven't had that yet, I don't know anything about it I I have knowed of it, but I haven't, the only biggest thing I knowed About whites and blacks here would be I've known Several Colored women {D: with} White men, got babies while they'd And we got a lot of 'em here Uh, I tell you this little joke {NW} {NW} Uh There's a job, you know, you know there used to be, there used to be jobs that That didn't allow a nigger to work on it See? {NW} And this one fellow got a job, he'll, he's he was a, his mother was a Was a black woman He's his his his daddy was a white man
Interviewer:  He was a what?
748:  I said his daddy was a white man
Interviewer:  Yeah but he was a what?
748:  Well he's just a {NW} All I, all I can just tell you, he's just a Well in other words uh, they can, I don't know what, just kind of what we call a bastard, I mean {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh #
748:  #2 {NW} # But anyhow Didn't want no colored folk to work on that job, wouldn't, no no no And one fella got him a job, see they couldn't hardly tell him, you know It's just hard, say he looks so much like a Look, look white, white white, but he was, looks something, but he had colored folk ways {D: Boss} Fellow said "Well I tell you now" "I believe that's a nigger" {NW} And uh He said "I'll tell you what I'm, I'm gonna do is I, we'll all get together" "And I'll say I'm gonna do so-and-so, so-and-so" and and and he knows that, and the white folks just say "Alright" And that nigger said "Didn't nothing happen" {NW} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 What? #
748:  "Didn't nothing happen" {NW} See when he come down here, "What, what about you, John?" Well I do so, "Didn't nothing happen" "Didn't, I told you that's a nigger" Course he use that word "Doesn't happen" {NW} White folk didn't use that {NW} If that's not a good one "I told y'all that was a nigger" {NW} That way he caught up with him now
Interviewer:  Why?
748:  By saying "Didn't nothing happen" He asked him would he do such and such thing Ask this white man, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." Ask that one right here Ask that nigger "Didn't nothing happen", he said {NW}
Interviewer:  I can't figure out why that's funny
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  I can't figure out why that's funny
748:  Well I, I just say it's funny to me, that's all It's funny to me Folks has different ways, you know, of catching up with folks And them that Some folks, you know, they Regard the color {NS} {NS} {X}
Interviewer:  Huh?
748:  Some folks, you know Some folks c- can be that, can be an old ghost wrapped up Comparatively speaking In sheep's clothing And you have to Take you a long time to ever know, and like Jacob {D: uh he was} Abraham, babe of Abraham
Interviewer:  Who was the wife of Abraham?
748:  Sarah Uh, Esau and Jacob Well uh, Jacob, Esau stole Jacob's birthright And how c-, how he managed to do it was this His mama helped him to work the trick, now {NS}
Interviewer:  What?
748:  His mother helped him to work the trick, to get to do it
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Wrap hisself up in, n- just put, old sheep, just wrapped up In in in a in in sheep wool, you know
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Tie it, you know, just tie it so {D: and appear} And um All over head and hair, went all over his face and everything You know, he went talking to, he went to talking to his daddy, uh Esau did Well, Jacob He "Oh that sounds like Esau" "But it's clear you feel like Jacob" {NW} "You feel like Jacob" And so sure enough you see. And that's the way some folks here today are. Some folks is hard, hard, hard To know just who they is and what they is
Interviewer:  What do you mean?
748:  Gotta watch a person Take time to just watch a person, watch a person, just keep, in other words they They they they they they played at being that but they're not {NS} {X} Sometimes they have you fooled Sometimes folk would have you making, uh have you thi- uh have you thinking They's a friend of yours, but just keep watching 'em
Interviewer:  They're just making
748:  You just keep watching, you know, just keep watching {X} If he's a friend {NS} {D: It's true now today} {X} Some way, just keep watching
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 Some folk #
748:  #2 {X} # Ain't uh, I tell you what, some fol- I always, I use this word Listen to what, what a person say and watch what he do That's the how I guess what a person is Cause a person'll say one thing and do another They'll deceive you if you ain't watching Get that, keep watching, keep a-watching, uh Just keep watching
Interviewer:  Yeah You know, uh Some folks Act like they know it all, you #1 Say #
748:  #2 Well now that's # We, we call them smart-alecks
Interviewer:  They don't what, they don't know everything, they just
748:  Yeah, yeah that's smart, the- they make like they know everything, try to make it seem, we just call 'em smart-aleck, "You smart-aleck, you" {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 He's just #
748:  #2 {X} # You there are some folks think they got all the sense and ain't got none What you know what I'm saying? My God, when he made us He give us all Some knowledge He knowed what it's gonna take to run this world before he ever made it
Interviewer:  Amen
748:  He give some folks knowledge to know what It's like I told my, know what I told my doctor once I got a good doctor, don't fool nobody I told him that God when he made the world, made man, he knowed man gonna get sick He knowed it I done, God when he created the Earth And everything, I said he put all sorts of chemicals Here and there That could do man's ill to good I said then he Put men here with knowledge of God To go just a little, just a little over here and just that To go yonder and get another another and bring 'em together Ya see? Then he put men the other didn't know how to come look down on you {NW} Say what the matter is, know which one to give If you need, if you need a, if you need so-, if you need a I'm gonna just play it so If you need laughter {D: Know you need to have a time while you're here} {D: You need to know} {X} Men enough to know how to do that God done that That's God's work, I told my doctor that I tell him all the time, I said s- {NW} I said about this though And you that God sent to me Lot of, he he got to, plain, I see, like {X} When me and, me and, me and ol' {X} {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 You know what? #
748:  #2 {NW} # {X} G- I'm talking to God now That's right
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Told God the head of everything He knowed everything He knowed everything God knowed Adam was gonna Break that law he put in that garden He knowed he gonna do Course he told him not to, he told him what not to do But just left it up to him, you know Do right or do wrong See? Just left it up to him "Now if you do wrong" "Adam" "I'll drive you out of here" "Do right you can stay here" You have no trouble going {NW} Like we have, naked, running out yonder All sorts of grass, everything Rooted out of your garden and everything You wouldn't have no fun You go out there and plant, make what little stuff you want But all sorts of these insects and everything Farm insects and grass and everything else, you know Adam sinned because he went against God's law He went against it Course Eve Influenced him do it Eve first, you know, and then She said "Take it, that's just an apple it's good Adam" "Eat some of this, eat some of this, that's gone be" {NW} {X} And um When they ate it, when they eyes come open, then that is to say Somehow they standing on the high table Then what did they do "We need some clothes on" Didn't have no clothes before then, "We need some clothes on" They's got some fig leaves, put them, whatever they could get at that time, you know Make 'em a kind of wrap But God come Well Adam, Adam know what he done, done wrong, he run and hid Course they hid but God said "Where are you, Adam?" {NS} {NW} "Where are you?" God knew where they were He knew where they were Adam called out Then Adam said "This woman done so-and-so, and I done so-and-so" Since Adam broke that law A woman having a baby wouldn't been a o- o- wouldn't be one spitting She didn't have them pains and things like that {D: that modern women do} Just like I tell them folks in {NW} My Sunday school classroom {X} They told me about Just tell this little point Uh Zacchaeus He got up in a tree to see Jesus
Interviewer:  What kind of tree?
748:  Well just a tree is all I know
Interviewer:  Syca-
748:  Well a sycamore tree but anyhow {NW} This is what the Bible said To see Jesus I heard someone say, "He got up there" Uh uh "Trying to hide." I said no he wasn't trying to hide, now he trying to see Problem was he trying to see because he's a little bitty man Low and all, like that, and he couldn't look up all over them folks, and he had heard so much about Jesus I want to see what he looked like That's the way he done {NS} He get a good look at him Now God knowed he went up in that tree, he know it all, right When God's got this, "Look here!" "Zacchaeus come on, come down here Zacchaeus" {NW} "Come on down!" {NW} "I'm going to your house" Zacchaeus was a good man A good man Good man But he just didn't know Christ Til he see him Told, and and and, Christ said "I'm going to your house today" He went there Course I won't take time to tell you what the- what all that other happened After that, you know, c- all of this Some folks because he's um Cause he was a I'll just say he was a nigger
Interviewer:  What's that?
748:  A negro
Interviewer:  Who?
748:  Adam, uh I mean, Zacchaeus was
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  And the white folk didn't like him That, that's claimed why
Interviewer:  Well he was a tax collector
748:  That's what I just said But he was an honest man and the man had an honest job The- the- he was he was the- the government was under the they they they He was a righteous law, said government
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  And they was under the Roman government at that time
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  But this man had, the way he lived and act around the queen See? She had {X}
748:  he got a percentage out of taxes
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  that's where he got his pay I didn't tell this man I owed you o- ten dollars when he didn't owe but five take five puts it in my pocket he gets those together {NW} he had nothing there {X} and he always say if I've done anything now wrong I'm gonna give a stone back to you {NS} {X} said he was a nice man {NS} you know a lot of folks cheap now you know that place above short weight measure a lotta folks you know uh try to they couldn't lend you out a bushel come on uh they won't they they won't feel their best if they go {NW} my bible say shake it down shake it down let it lie low. see? that what my bible says {NW} and uh another thing they wouldn't do they go into {NW} You have so you have so much to know about what bought your Boppy's land {D: man is selling pieces} {NW} don't have that many gonna say one {X} don't have any any orders field be seventy seventy yards wide don't have a man to go out there in severe though uh sixty people I but maybe it's seventy no I kinda like it older so there's a whole lot I'm telling you the truth when you look at things and think about things well we got a whole lot to think about
Interviewer:  yes sir But one thing One thing my daughter had done {NW} But I know the way you lack this kinda talk now But one thing my daughter had done he's made it possible that every man can be saved if he will if he will {X} if he will first confess in his strife {NW} confess his sin now where did the sins go? sin from the seed of Adam the sins of Adam being undone sins of Adam. cause hell them sins done shit on us all that where that's what I was thinking about. and um there been some mighty good folk take that them Bob Richardsman the man had all he wanted he he he just always don't uh uh worship that above God I couldn't have this old shack here if it wasn't for God I would I wouldn't be sat up in this chair wasn't for God. {NW} I wouldn't be sitting {NW} Thank him for everything. Thank him for everything. Thank him for everything. Put him above all we say I thank God. Put God ahead of everything oh he is ahead. But I I'm an I'm an old black man that believe in the God {NW} yes sir. {NW} oh might have left them parts out there that's another thing {NW} it's a mean thing for folks to have What do you mean?
748:  Well {NW} just just better if you just lover boy I'm a man and you's a man
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {NW} and uh maybe I have some maybe coming on
Interviewer:  Well what about f different types of people?
748:  Well I'll tell ya about different types of people {NW} Where'd that come from? that come from uh when Noah let's see {NW} after the flood and uh let me see now I get that right now {NS}
Interviewer:  Well
748:  well anyhow I- the people at one time they wanted to make them a god now now I get I that that part I get that part from? another god not the living god. Make them a god Only god. Make them a god to suit themselves and they {NW} built and built and built next they want to build him a a temple or a monument to him and uh God tore all that stuff down and here's what here here here here's what oh here's what what here here's what made 'em couldn't have if if if he just or {NW} they couldn't understand {NS} if if the man said bring me some water {NS} he'd bring him something else. He he couldn't understand {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  bring me some bring me some some bricks he'd bring him something different then see that that that that change the language right there change the language right there
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  change the language poor people to talk different different languages {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah {NS}
748:  took a whole lot {X} Uh {NS} about that about creation about the old mind and about the world everything
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 mister #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  {B} What r what what religion are you? What religion are you?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  What religion are you?
748:  Oh I'm a Baptist. Missionary Baptist {NW} {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah and uh you were young when you
748:  When I joined the church yes I joined the church when I was about well let's see how young I was about eighteen years old
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  when I joined church
Interviewer:  Are you a preacher?
748:  No sir I'm not a preacher
Interviewer:  a person
748:  I've had a lotta folks who I've had some few folk now who thought I was a preacher but I'm not a preacher.
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Fact I ain't got an education
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW} I'm less than what you call a s- a full twelve room third grade fourth grade student in school {NS} I tell in my church all the time I've told 'em that told them we got some smart alecks you know smart alecks you know cause they supposed to been to school like that in all like that course you ain't got to thinking you ain't got no sense but listen {NS} I told that um if one thing my God has blessed me with I got no education but he blessed me with this much he give me enough knowledge to to know how to read enough {NW} that I can read anything printed in English Now we've had some nice smart people in our church up there I've served in my church up there years and years I've got- {NW} Uh I've got a history {X} of it right now {NW} it's suiting to allow Sunday school.
Interviewer:  Yes.
748:  that's truth {NS} suits and a Bible Sunday school
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  I'm not perfect. I'll do a lot a things wrong {NW} but listen it uh I told them up there one time I was on the phone {NW} uh about uh I do a lot a things wrong but I says that fine with me God's made {X} with blood I say I got a tree a builds- I got a tree a beat out there {NW} something I do wrong
Interviewer:  lot a people do things wrong.
748:  yeah why sh- do wrong {NS} That fountain that come on he said it can give you anything except sin against the holy ghost everything except sin against the holy ghost {NS} Do wrong confess it confess it to him
Interviewer:  Yes.
748:  if you do wrong do your your future brother-in-law Confess it him I treat you wrong sir
Interviewer:  Yeah
Interviewer:  tell me about your early days in school
748:  {NW} Well my early days at school I'll just tell ya {NW} {NS} Hmm one of the first day I first time I went to school little big ol' kid of about six years start six years old
Interviewer:  You started in the what Well I started in the in grammar school you might say six year I was six years old What grade? You started in uh
748:  Well in first grade
Interviewer:  the pre- the
748:  First grade
Interviewer:  the primer?
748:  Yeah primer. and uh {NS: bells ringing} {NW} one thing about it I I was staring up at a little fellow and and and wanted to pee and peed all over the pee peed all over there {NW} {NW} I'll tell ya another thing. My schooling {NW} I remember five years that I got to go to school five days I went four day one a them years them one {X} well here's the reason why {NW} My father was a poor sickly man. He had asthma and sometimes Uh you could hear that old man get his breath oiled out couldn't lay down just he's had to sit up care how cold it was or how hot {X} And the only thing that he ever did get for that
Interviewer:  #1 Could he ever sleep? #
748:  #2 {X} # What's that?
Interviewer:  Could he sleep?
748:  No he couldn't sleep nothing all of that The only help he could get to that asthma {NW} #1 that's what he used to do #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  was a little bit of dry powder poured out over the head and sitting the {X} {NW} and inhale that got over but anyhow it makes a long story short Now he wasn't down all the time but I had to work when I got up big enough to learn how to plow got a horse up and down the road and plow and all like that and {NW} take a hole and cut the grass out there {NS} move the cart and the corn and stuff like that I had to work and then listen {NS} Oh we worked on share and when we laid the crop by in a year times are hard my daddy would help me out. see need a little money to live on I couldn't even get to school
Interviewer:  #1 yeah #
748:  #2 {X} # I didn't get to go to school {NW} I stayed with the old man no I didn't pr I didn't run off and leave him I stayed back there and he said {NW} He he he told me man {NW} I tell you son you can go how come he told me? I wasn't mean now to him because now {NS} Uh as his second he had his third wife and she was you know poor thing
Interviewer:  What happened to his other two wives?
748:  Both died. My mother died and he married another woman and uh now the next one he married they separated the second one {NW} {NS} and then the third woman and they didn't have no he didn't have no children by his uh second wife. {NW} But the third wife they had a bunch of children little great big bunch a little children you know and I then and I had to work over there that's how I went to get my education {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah how many'd you have around the house?
748:  Oh he had about eh about
Interviewer:  What were their names?
748:  oh lord I'm a tell you the truth {NW} Um let me see Tom {NW} Eddie and uh {X} Mary Willy and let me see
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Anyhow I I know there's there's several more {X} {NS}
Interviewer:  anyone named Moore? uh
748:  what's that?
Interviewer:  Martha?
748:  No I mean they couldn't have anyone named Martha
Interviewer:  Name what?
748:  I have a sister named Mary but not Martha {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Got a half sister named Mary
Interviewer:  #1 yeah #
748:  #2 She's a half-sister # I never did have but one whole sister
Interviewer:  You remember that old song wait 'til the sun shines {X} You ever heard of the- Well a girl's named beginning with H would be
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  A girl's name beginning with H
748:  Well I never have heard the {X} the definition you won't hear me trying to tell you something
Interviewer:  you ever heard any a a girl's name beginning with H?
748:  uh Heard of a girl's name begin with H?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well sure I got a I got a niece now lives in California name's her name's Haley {X}
Interviewer:  Any other ones?
748:  And then I know plenty other folks names that start with H got a got a got a got a got a got a got a got a half {NS} Got a cousin right down the street sure his name start with Henry his name his his name Henry. his name started with H
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Got this girl Haley was talking about my my brother-in-law that oh his name starts with Haley Al is his name you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah Now he- uh H woman's name Helen? {NS}
748:  Well
Interviewer:  you ever heard of a woman's name beginning with N?
748:  What?
Interviewer:  With N? {NS} Nep- Nem- Nel-
748:  Well I've heard of I know people named Nel- {D: Naday}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  and all like that an older white friend a mine her name is Nelly
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Nelly Good
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Do not say white men some some folks may not {NW} at least some I know some colored folk would may not like the way you say it but I say it well I I say we're good friends {D: among white folk now cause} {NW} Lemme tell you another thing friendship ain't just for the now friendship is what you do That's right
Interviewer:  Why's that?
748:  a friendship a friendship a friend if he see you in need help regardless of race creed or color He comes to {NS} he come until he help you just like a {NW} I was down at Kroger store one day {NW} and I stepped over that step and down I went couple of white boys {D: damn it} {NW} white boy I didn't know them they didn't know if that boy hadn't have helped me up there I know I'd have {NW} see humanity reach out for humanity didn't do like him like that old priest Not what we'd write down When they saw that poor republican {D: thou commit sin done wrong} Priests now {X} {NW} Oh my goodness they religious folk he saw him didn't do a thing about it {NW} another lesson officer and the and the church {X} He saw him didn't do a thing for him But listen {NS} {NW} I can't come up with the name {X} {NW}
Interviewer:  samaritan
748:  yeah there god samaritan yeah when he passed by listen when he'd look {X} he went and done something wrong. see I had a friend I had a friend. {X} {NS} right up on that road there he had a wreck.
Interviewer:  What road's that?
748:  I mean that road out there uh Ivory circle they had a wreck right up that road there and I goes up there one time {NS} well down here just about where where you go turning off coming into my house
Interviewer:  #1 this is your what out here? #
748:  #2 well # What's that?
Interviewer:  This is your what?
748:  My home you mean?
Interviewer:  Well out front is your? coming into your house
748:  Well uh the east I don't know what you call it road or east
Interviewer:  this road you turn off to coming to your house. It's a
748:  Well we call that a side road Well anyhow there's a bunch around him people of course they of course they was white folks of course um just a bunch around. helping helping. I goes on up to see who who was in the other car I didn't know who was in the other car I goes on up there I see {NW} and I got up there and there was a negro man laying down didn't know he was in the world and a white man listen a white man and then he tells us looking nice looking white man w- he's down on him {NW} you see humanity but reach out for him now. Regularly he said to me He says well listen he says I got him to now he says you hold your hand here just a few minutes he'll be all right I'll go around here and see if I can help some other folks see that's what you call a friend. there you treat the whole lot of people {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  So I won't have time to talk much more now cuz I've got some other things I wanna get done. I've got to go to {D: ducktown}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I'm about to get my {X} But I'm glad to talk with you
Interviewer:  Yeah I'm glad to talk with you too.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Could you- Could you- do another interview with me sometime tomorrow? Would that be okay?
748:  Well lemme see now. Tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow.
Interviewer:  I can give you some money for for your inter for interviewing with me. I I like to #1 give you something #
748:  #2 let me see # Tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow. {NS} I'm a have to keep myself together now see what what's gonna be done whether I could tomorrow here sometime but I don't know I got a sister coming sometime tomorrow but I don't know what time she coming
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  She coming from California.
Interviewer:  Really?
748:  Coming from California.
Interviewer:  what about later on this afternoon? Would you have time then?
748:  Well it'll be it'll be I'll tell ya they have to be around say around 4 o'clock
Interviewer:  that'll be fine
748:  Because tell you why my my appointment with the doctor is two thirty {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  well {X} {NS} my doctor don't do it like some doctor used to do now back one {NW} {NS} who taking a {X}? {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  now that's true my doctor wanted to do that {NS} lemme tell ya one thing about me {NW} I was up there in the doctor's office one day I didn't have one didn't go on no appointment you know. I just went up there to see him He just told me to come back in about two weeks or something like that. {NS} well I didn't have no hour appointment or something like that. Well when I walked in I was sitting down and there was a colored man she had had a place for the colored and a place for the white. I was there in the colored room. The colored man was sitting there and oh my lord that man he just sitting up there talking and he said something said {X} wait on the wait on the wait on the niggers just took on the white folk. after a while that man was {X} You know what I said to that man? here's what I said to him I said listen mister I didn't know his name {NW} I said there's one thing I want you to remember {NW} that we poor colored folk don't even have a colored doctor in Union County That's what I tell him A long way we got to go. a long way we got to go we don't have a colored doctor in union county now that {X} he listened there and he hushed too and here goes his brother then now listen plenty white folks sitting there they they rather come walking out {NW} he there talking up about this nigger {X} Satan Satan Satan there his brother comes walking {NW} I wonder if that nigger think about that after he left after what I told him but I stopped him and I told I said we don't have a colored doctor we used to have them we don't have any a colored doctor in Union County.
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  not El Dorado I'm talking about Union County
Interviewer:  who do you make an appointment with?
748:  hmm?
Interviewer:  when you go
748:  wha- who who my doctor
Interviewer:  yeah who you make and appointment with
748:  my doctor you know #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 has # has he got private
748:  Well I'll tell ya about my doctor {X} the more I go there he's just said well {NW} I'll see ya in said don't don't go {X} he said I'll see you see you in in a month I just to the to the to the desk and I tell the lady there
Interviewer:  She's a
748:  and she's a #1 clerical #
Interviewer:  #2 se- #
748:  I'd say
Interviewer:  #1 se- #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  secretary
748:  Yeah secretary but anyhow
Interviewer:  did ya what?
748:  well I'd say a secretary could call a sec- anything tell you what
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {NW} and she said I said well doctor well I'd come the end of the month and she'd look over her books But uh listen boys see B-T What about such and such day? I said well that'll be alright. Such and such hour? That'll be alright. She'd throw the card and all I gotta do when I go in is stick the card in there
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS}
748:  Now some people go to a doctor now that's another different thing some folks don't think about some people you go to a doctor and ain't got no appointment and folks without appointments they won't they not going to take you without no appointments you know that?
Interviewer:  What's that I hear right there?
748:  {NW} you know what that back in there is?
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {NW} I be a spirit hanger spirits we call 'em
Interviewer:  Ah come on you pulling my leg. What is that?
748:  What is that?
Interviewer:  What is that smell? #1 Somebody #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  cooking back there aren't they?
748:  Yeah come here I got to go back there. You're going to kill him now the smoke my goodness oh Lord I had to hold the doors and the windows and let it out and uh I have some ribs cooking {NS} {D: they done burned black} {D: done burned white with burnt on black} and um and that {X} what did you think? that too Well uh I come {X} and I'm glad I did after I found out better late one story I know is he's got a some neat little cooking thing you can carry around but you have to use coal see?
Interviewer:  Yeah {NS}
748:  and now they got some electric ones now uh them the same one I got sitting right there on the table right back there I can put a chicken note right up there on the board. put them by a cup a water {NS} couple of couple cups of water and uh {X} you see {X} they don't live here. come back
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well I'm gonna get on look right there bit of that little water still in there {NW} boy little ol' thing back here right now.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I don't blame it on him now I bought me one a them things
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW} yeah but I didn't yeah what I had to cook on then I didn't have in that thing but having um uh you have and said somewhere there's a smell and I went back there and that the water just just just just cooked off {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah {NS}
748:  we didn't have that in the cooker {NS}
Interviewer:  um now what sorta let me ask you just one more a few more questions What sort of uh clothes did folks wear back in the old days? What do you wear to church?
748:  Well I'll tell ya {NS} We had a had a cloth they call homespun. homespun cloth and uh they made shirts folks made shirts. Women made shirts out of that cloth. women made dresses out of that cloth you see need different colors and uh say uh they had a stuff they'd call bleaching and they had another cloth they call domestic that was white and that's uh uh bleaching uh uh your white cloth.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
748:  buy bulks of that see you could make uh under cloth things like that
Interviewer:  if yeah if a woman wanted to buy a dress of a certain color she'd take a little piece of cloth to use as a as a what? As a
748:  As a kind of
Interviewer:  se-
748:  a pattern or a #1 what do you call that a kind of a #
Interviewer:  #2 se- # #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 some # uh I don't know what you call that
Interviewer:  Well do you ever get anything through the mail?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  They might give you something through the mail as a free
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  you know you get a bar of soap
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  For a what?
748:  Well you get a bar a soap now you could if you mean get the bar of soap or just
Interviewer:  #1 Through the mail. #
748:  #2 through the mail #
Interviewer:  #1 Just give it to you #
748:  #2 out the mail # If I could get a bar of soap {D: for fifteen cents}
Interviewer:  Yeah. with no when they say that Would they ever send you anything in the mail?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Like what?
748:  I've had I've had soaps and I've had uh just uh voluntarily sent to me. and I've had uh
Interviewer:  Yeah they say that's a free
748:  Yeah well free gift in other words its an advertisement
Interviewer:  Yeah they want you to do what?
748:  {NW} you can get another {X}
Interviewer:  They want you to s- to
748:  buy buy something go buying
Interviewer:  Yeah and they send you this as a what?
748:  uh uh uh a sample they want you to I call it a sample
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  a sample you prove it out yourself. Send me a bar of soap You take that soap and you you that soap is good #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  you know that's good there that's good soap well uh thing about that you know then uh I'm gonna buy me some that then
Interviewer:  Yeah. I'm gonna tell you a thing about soap now. My mother-in-law a good old woman {NW] She got old and she couldn't keep She didn't keep herself cleaned up good Especially a woman in the way of her discharge and uh and you could smell her sometimes around the house and I How'd she smell? you said she smelled
748:  oh just kind of funky you know I'd say #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Yeah
748:  Well my wife got to her {X} made me get a {NW} and I saw an advertisement didn't get a sample now but I saw an advertisement in the paper to get this here um uh It ain't it ain't {X} think it's called it but there's uh you know I got some of the soap in there and I can't call the name and I bought her some of that soap and I be washing with that soap you know smell that? take all that scent just keep it all you have to do is just keep cleaning with soap. see Like uh {NW} {NW} like way back yonder when folk didn't have any washtub didn't know didn't I mean that like these bathtubs now a whole lotta them got it now but {NW} didn't have them things to get of uh some of 'em just take a pan and water yourself some of 'em take a little foot tub or a little little something like a tub little tub you know Well some of 'em get out and some of them uh kind of like a washtub but uh uh you can't reach well they had to get one little rag you know
Interviewer:  Yeah. You use a towel
748:  use this one rag on uh uh this one rag on it and so {NW} I walked in one day my wife was taking a bath like that
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
748:  and there's places she couldn't reach there she couldn't reach 'em she couldn't reach 'em the back I don't know
Interviewer:  What'd you say?
748:  {NW} That's just what I'm saying now whole lotta ways to kill a cat besides choking them to death on butter. {NW} now that's just an old saying {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Now what would a woman wear around here in the kitchen?
748:  apron.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  she should have that apron tie that apron around on you #1 she can #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah # Now she might say this is a pretty dress but this one's even
748:  well I don't want to get that nothing on that on the dress you know
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  and my my {NW} my my nice dress maybe they come to church maybe sometime don't wanna go and put on their everyday clothes. nothing like that maybe they ain't got time. {NW} Just get an apron and put it on you see.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Tie it around. And that keeps all the stuff off {NS}
Interviewer:  {NW} Um you know she talking about a dress she'd say My that's a pretty dress I can't make up my mind That's one's pretty but I think this one's even
748:  b-better
Interviewer:  yeah that's one's pretty but I this one's even
748:  prettier
Interviewer:  prettier
748:  Well that's what you yeah. {X}
Interviewer:  Trying to make couldn't make my mind up
748:  You see that all the time
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  some look better
Interviewer:  When a man wears the goes What does a man wear when he goes to church?
748:  Well a man we wear I'll tell ya what we wear. We usually wear coats and pants shirt tie. Things like that I'm not talking about your underwear.
Interviewer:  Yeah or you might have something uh
748:  Well folks used to have vests I tell you what you know folk gotta sharp way of uh they make you buy things you know course people {D: and of course want you know be stylish} {X} {NS} I can remember way back yonder {NS} that they made a They made a thing that you put over over your neck around that way and put it down the {X} put your coat on and then you look alright Yeah I've seen that {NW} men go used to buy suits long time ago with a vest {D: but not up here {X}} {NW} Well the folk go a way a knowing wanna make you buy things then they quit making vests. {NW} Well folk buy them a suit without a vest because they keep saying no. Now they done gone back to making vests {NW} #1 you see that don't you? #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah # Yeah.
748:  {NW} I went to a store there not too long ago.
Interviewer:  What'd you buy? bought yourself a
748:  no I went to the store not long ago {NS} and I just happened to have a vest that you could buy you could buy you a vest course it may it won't be made it may not be the color of your suit but you can buy you a vest of any kind the man told me uh {X} {B} said we just sold there one of {X} {NS} {NW}
Interviewer:  B-W {B}
748:  B-W {B}
Interviewer:  #1 yeah #
748:  #2 man had a # good old man to me
Interviewer:  He's a nice man.
748:  Oh me me me {NS} and that man was a man to me and he had a son I went to the funeral. there's some colored folks don't do much about going to white funeral white folks don't do much about going to colored but then some do he had a son pass young uh I thought it was this year yeah must have had {X} I was there too and when I went there you heard that have you seen that paper where where that nigger want to do? uh uh uh {NW} uh {D: part of them} called the church didn't you
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I know that man
748:  {NW} No but You know the man?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  the one that do that?
Interviewer:  I know. Taylor King that's his name
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  I met him before
748:  he was just wanna {X} Well It's like this Uh If he and I were standing in line. Well I don't talk to him won't let him come inside Well he want to come in and tell him act like he's taking over well uh I mentioned to these folks I said well I would like to be to the funeral and here's what they told me they said man come on we'll see that you're taken care of {NS} They didn't send me way up down the back nowhere {NW} immersion {X} {NW} uh first baptist church there on the main street in El Dorado they rushing when they seen me coming they come and get I came all but come and get the old man. help me on up the steps {NW} skirted on down the aisle. skirt this old black nigger on down the aisle! then listen {NW} down there well I'm not gonna sit say I sat on a reserved seat I wouldn't say that going to tell you a reason why. {NW} but the next seat ahead of me I was reserved but I had a white friend you see sitting on the seat that was was was behind me {NW} {D: and then the rest of pass him} we went to pass him he just said man here uh boy sit down here and I sit down there with him see. {NW} well I got ready to come out of the church them ushers took the old man {D: on and out} {D: and on and out} on down and out can you make it now? Yeah. {NW} #1 aw #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
748:  lemme tell you this another thing When my wife died. Lord have mercy whites men that know me. {NS} come to compliment me They done it. They done it. They done it. white folks was at that funeral that day. boy I have a cold alright. they're a delight get along with them get along with them. {X} little old something you see see sticking up right over there under that picture?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I went to a Myrtle Grove I worked at Myrtle Grove for years as a janitor.
Interviewer:  Where is Myrtle Grove?
748:  Myrtle Grove was a school you know. and it's up here all through west or north {X} but anyhow. uh they wanted to have a reunion at school. and they said man we want you to be there. said we'll see to it that you get there and see that you get back. I went. and I the only black bird in the bunch but let me tell you the truth I never enjoyed a a social in the all the days of my life than I did that day. {NS} Why? Because so many of them folks friends now. {X} Now listen. Some of them pats do it just cause it's there's somebody up there. You know that? {NW} but some are being honest. some are sincere but some of them folk come up and shake hand man because somebody had done it here. To that you shouldn't here out in this country a white man shook the hand shook the hand of a nigger know what you do? look around see {X} the other white people them white folks shook hands with a nigger {NS} White folks will be treating you whether or not you you's the man if you's a woman if she's a woman it'll prove it they meet you anywhere The crowd don't get so big. Nothing My goodness alive {NW}
Interviewer:  Yup {NW}
748:  See?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  if you're going to a wedding something like that you couldn't wear your your old suit you'd have to go out and buy a
748:  Well I'll tell ya about that
Interviewer:  You might you know if you wanted to get fancied up you wou-
748:  Well lemme tell you the truth about me If I want to go to a wedding and I had to go through all that I just wouldn't go I'm a just tell you the truth I wouldn't go I ain't going nowhere {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah But you know
748:  If I can't dress up in nice old clean clothes well
Interviewer:  {NW} but you know years ago uh when was it you bought your first you bought your first you you know when you were a young boy your daddy might a take you town and buy a
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  He'd buy a what?
748:  Well maybe he was going to buy me some pants he get me some new pants
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 or he #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  he might buy you a whole
748:  {X} coat you know but but at the same time them pants or we'd be needing pants.
Interviewer:  Yeah what would you wear around the farm?
748:  Well on the farm well children would need need pants some of 'em little kids then got to look {NW} and sometimes was was when it had no long long shirt
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  Shirt tail {NW} that's right
Interviewer:  Yeah Well a man might wear what? bib
748:  Well a man uh neck tie sometimes
Interviewer:  Yeah but around the farm he'd wear
748:  Oh around the farm uh he just a man he'd wear a say a shirt and pants {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 yeah #
748:  #2 and and then a morning shirt. # you know that's what they wear. They wear pants shirt and pants but they not it's not I mean one more time came fine cold weather might wear a coat pants and something like that.
Interviewer:  yeah. {NS} and did you ever see them Them things that they'd wear that become
748:  wear coveralls yeah coveralls
Interviewer:  Yeah. They call them over
748:  Yeah. Well now listen Coverall I never seen coverall until several years ago but and uh plus you wanted to have something they made overalls
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Them overalls have a long {X} {NW} Just like them pants you got on there now they got a long something like that need a {X} or whatever
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {D: you have it rolled up now}
Interviewer:  These are what? These are blue
748:  yeah I just call them
Interviewer:  britches?
748:  Yeah britches britches yeah but when they made when they made old old {X} men wore {X} {NW} Why they there you seen men wear overall and I said well uh as I said they got on up there and maybe got some pockets up there and they got
Interviewer:  Have buttons
748:  Yeah b- buckles you know the pants taking it back out.
Interviewer:  or a shirt a shirt's got what got
748:  Well shirt's got buttons on it
Interviewer:  buttons on it right
748:  buttons {X}
Interviewer:  Um now you might say if your old suit wore out you'd have to buy a
748:  a new one a a new buy another yeah buy a suit
Interviewer:  a what?
748:  {NW} well just say a new suit of clothes
Interviewer:  a what
748:  a new suit of clothes
Interviewer:  Yeah. um
748:  just like these pants wore out I had to buy me another pair of pants.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You know if you had a coat you might say Now this coat won't fit this year. I can't understand because last year it {NS}
748:  Well now I'll tell you about that I got a bunch a stuff sent to me from California a man had a l had had a showed him he he had to lose a lot of weight
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  see? tell him to lose a lot of weight and uh
Interviewer:  #1 and his clothes #
748:  #2 he he didn't want to # throw 'em away and he he sent them to me.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Course he had to go to wearing smaller clothes like that old foot there I used to wear I used to wear uh number tens. Whole time my number. well my toes got bigger now I wear elevens
Interviewer:  Yeah. his clothes um {NW} after he lost weight #1 they didn't #
748:  #2 I think well # he just had to buy some that fit him
Interviewer:  they didn't fit him right?
748:  I mean by gosh {X} it's like if I if I buy a belt. and uh in other words
Interviewer:  what does a belt say on it when it's cow hide?
748:  Well
Interviewer:  What's it say it says
748:  well uh some of 'em just says leather belt so uh
Interviewer:  Yeah what does it say?
748:  leather belt
Interviewer:  Ge- it says uh it'll say what? Gen- {NS} this is not imitation it's
748:  Oh well yeah talking about yeah leather
Interviewer:  Yeah well you say guaranteed
748:  well if it was guaranteed to be leather it ought to be leather if it's nothing not don't put no guarantee on it what
Interviewer:  #1 yeah #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  it's not fake it's
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  it what genu- Yeah I thought I had one written on my belt but I but I don't Um
748:  I I've got a belt {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah Well you know after that man had lost weight his clothes didn't {NS}
748:  well his clothes fit him they're just too in other words too big they don't {X}
Interviewer:  Clothes didn't fit him but but before they
748:  They fit him
Interviewer:  they fit him
748:  or they lost weight just like another thing if you gain weight sometime you wear sometime when I wear clothes this fits this time and about what picking up weight getting too tight I'm a have to get something bigger.
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  I'll start to get something bigger that's all {NS}
Interviewer:  yeah {NS}
748:  all there is to it.
Interviewer:  you know when you when you're going buy a pecan tree and you put a lot of stuff a lot of pecans in your pockets it makes them
748:  well according to {X}
Interviewer:  makes 'em b- makes 'em
748:  make 'em bulge out {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. You know what what would happen when you put say a cotton shirt in in the water in hot water it made it. it made it do what? It made it sh-
748:  draw up
Interviewer:  draw up you say it's
748:  well I'll tell you cotton don't wad up it's wool will.
Interviewer:  wool
748:  yeah wool will cotton won't do that
Interviewer:  you say
748:  yes cotton you can put that in water it ain't going to draw up.
Interviewer:  I put my wool shirt in the water and it #1 shr- #
748:  #2 no # here here here you go see see there's a certain way you gotta wash wool.
Interviewer:  or it'll shr- it'll
748:  Don't you don't you. You'll make it go way little you can't wash it the same you can't just take wool and just and put it in the pot and boil boil it. You can't take wool clothes through that.
Interviewer:  Or else it'll shr- it'll shr-
748:  It'll swell up or or or stretch out. lose its shape. {NW} you try to do it that way.
Interviewer:  Yeah Well You said you never did you never did go to them
748:  No I said no I I would again I said the thing that goes keep them together one thing would be all the church revival
Interviewer:  Yes sir
748:  first of all first find an organist next thing is bring the folks together with dances next thing was school children programs.
Interviewer:  what do you mean?
748:  well just say it's going school employees they have a program out to him in school
Interviewer:  at the end of school when school
748:  when the school closed you know have a program there and um folk singing and children having {D: speeches and speeches} one thing or another like that. {NW} and uh that's one thing little like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh {NS} well sir Um {NW} when a girl like to say when she'd getting ready to go dance or something like that when she like to put on her best dress you'd say she was
748:  Well I'll tell you about that I told you I never go dancing
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
748:  #2 I know # {X} I never been to moon land or anything in my life I didn't go dancing I don't know about that but in church well sometime they wanna go to church and wanna put on their best clothes
Interviewer:  Yeah and they start
748:  getting ready and all looking around them other {NS} Uh brushing them up see if it's clean
Interviewer:  {NW} Yeah.
748:  and uh
Interviewer:  You'd say they're
748:  and pressing if they need pressing things like that
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS} You'd say they're doing what?
748:  Well they getting ready for that
Interviewer:  Spend a lot of time in front of the mirror
748:  Yeah yeah that's right standing forward looking in the glass you know combing their hair. and a {D: brush through the room when running all looking back to see how they look.} sometime put on their dress and turn around look in the glass.
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  look around see if its see see if it's fitting all right in the back
Interviewer:  she's all She'd get all
748:  what's that?
Interviewer:  you she'd get all what folks would say she's all
748:  Well after she get all dressed up sometime she say well I'm ready to go now.
Interviewer:  Okay. and a man he would what would he do? He would
748:  Well a man tell you what a man would do. He's going out. He's gonna go out take his bath shave get him up some clean clothes put them on he's ready to go
Interviewer:  Do you like to uh do that?
748:  Yeah I like to do that when I'm getting ready to go places. I went I went to the doctor yesterday and I went to church Sunday
Interviewer:  Excuse me?
748:  I said I went to church Sunday. I got up and cleaned up everything got everything up Got ready to go to church and went to church had a good service.
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Went to church
Interviewer:  You say you were pri- uh You'd say a woman was {NS} primping up or
748:  Well I say a woman was primping up you know
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  seeing how her dress fit and how her hair was all brushed up and everything like that. a man he's wash up shave up put on his clothes and see how he looks
Interviewer:  Say he's doing what?
748:  Then he's ready to go we're getting ready to go to church
Interviewer:  okay
748:  I'm go hear the service yeah.
Interviewer:  A woman might wear might carry a what? She'd carry a
748:  Well she got a handbag
Interviewer:  or a pur- uh
748:  a handbag or purse whatever you want to call it
Interviewer:  Yeah and #1 around her wrist #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 she'd wear a #
748:  #2 {X} # sometimes if they have them they'll put a wristwatch on if they have it
Interviewer:  or a just a an ornamental br- uh
748:  Well a bracelet or something like that yeah. I have seen that
Interviewer:  Um around her around her uh
748:  well around the neck? a woman usually has nice beads you know beads
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah.
thing a beads #
748:  #2 thing of beads # hanging around her neck.
Interviewer:  Yeah would uh. Now what if they were if they were pearls?
748:  Well pearls would be her nice beads you know
Interviewer:  Yeah. something they'd say. They're not imitation they're those aren't imitation diamonds you might say those are thats a
748:  Well you know
Interviewer:  Genu-
748:  poor folk didn't have them diamonds but they had nice pearl be-beads or something little like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  See that's what they had
Interviewer:  But some of them rich folks #1 might wear a #
748:  #2 well rich folks # they have them diamonds things like that.
Interviewer:  They wouldn't have a fake diamond they'd have a gen- uh You'd say they had a a genui-
748:  genuine diamond or pearl or something like that.
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  rich folk would
Interviewer:  right. What would a man wear to hold his trousers up?
748:  well he wore suspenders.
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  sometime or some suspenders or a belt.
Interviewer:  yeah #1 and a woman #
748:  #2 just like I got on a belt now. # hold my trousers. Sometimes they and suspenders they pull them up over they over they uh up on the shoulders you know put on the pants pull them up over their shoulder.
Interviewer:  yeah #1 they call them #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  they call them
748:  {X} something they call them {X} {NW} yeah
Interviewer:  #1 now #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  when it rained a woman would hold a
748:  well when it rains she should have a she'll have an umbrella. {X}
Interviewer:  yeah. now I know you farm some uh I'd like you to tell me a little about the land here. uh is the land very is the land very good land here?
748:  well we have some pretty fair land here. However we have to use fertility till most of it if we want it to do well.
Interviewer:  The land's not
748:  yeah it ain't got enough fertility or something in it I done went to had to buy stuff for your fertilizer fertilizer see had to go that you know
Interviewer:  if uh if the land itself is good you say
748:  well if the land is if the land is good we don't need put nothing in it. Sometimes stuff will grow too fast.
Interviewer:  yeah you say the land is very fer
748:  is very productive.
Interviewer:  fer fer
748:  just just say good or I call it. Woodland.
Interviewer:  fertile?
748:  yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 what? #
748:  #2 Yeah I would you say fertile. #
Interviewer:  fertile land. um now the kind of low flat land along a river it's
748:  #1 flat old flatland is on the river #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
748:  why it wasn't good to cultivate. I want to say that land was good just to grow timber. cause uh down flat and wet you could whack them down.
Interviewer:  Why is that?
748:  well because it uh there's two things about it if it's down around the river in the bottom like that two things about it. one of them is that it's wet the next one is a hard now. A hard pack now. cause the
Interviewer:  and the soil doesn't
748:  and the soil won't won't produce nothing but timber.
Interviewer:  What about water?
748:  Well timber bush anything like that
Interviewer:  what about water on the soil?
748:  water?
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  well water uh we have had some springs would get water just spring water running out the ground. Make a hole there for the something in there and and tote all that water out of that spring. Good water I've seen some of the best water ever I've seen come out of that spring now. Go on and get some spring water those big springs {D: flowing we had now to to} to a lot of about about two three hundred yards from my house
Interviewer:  really? Can you drink it?
748:  well sure man my good {X} that's some of the best water ever ever you can take
Interviewer:  can I drink some of it?
748:  sure you could but they not here now
Interviewer:  What it's dry?
748:  I mean uh uh the water's alright I said if you had some you could drink it. But ain't none here. I told that spring maybe two or three hundred yards from here. I'll told the woods out and and they're down in in the end of the banks. in the back of a {D: land} where that spring runs out at.
Interviewer:  #1 now a branch is #
748:  #2 we we # we going to we call it the back uh ol' big spring.
Interviewer:  a branch is a what?
748:  I'll tell you what a branch is a branch is a thing like a small stream of water on over here and after the water runs off here like the creeks and to another one that makes a little bigger creek. then it runs off into a little ones
Interviewer:  yeah where two creeks'll come together.
748:  where two creeks come together {NW} we say a river.
Interviewer:  yeah. you ever seen the place in a river where it'll kind of fork or something like that? You'd say that was the what of the river
748:  well I tell you I've seen uh rivers forks where that's concerned I've seen I've seen little might say little mounds or something where like that go up the river the water has to go around it. Your little mound there and um stuff growing and uh cattle oh not the cattle but other vermin and things squirrels and things like that play on it. and uh course not on the river forks why we just name it something else
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  see?
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  just like we got a river here we call it here we call it Wachitaw river
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  well we got another river we call Selene river. and the other rivers different names you see
Interviewer:  around here? have you got any what about the water in the neighborhood? Did it did you got a place right down there? What is that back there? Just over the hill?
748:  just over the hill
Interviewer:  yeah there's bridge across what?
748:  Well that bridge there we call it the Mathus Mill Creek and how come we call it Mathus Mill Creek it was a creek a bank like formed well here about a mile or two up here up over the road
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  and uh and that bank made a good big tree. big big branch and he'd run over and down and how come we call it Mathus Mill Creek because uh it uh Mathus owned that land back up there where that branch started there. A real nigger there.
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  you see Called it Mathus Mill Creek.
Interviewer:  back up on the on the was it on top of a
748:  well it kind of on a
Interviewer:  do you want me to
748:  yeah that fan was
Interviewer:  #1 what? #
748:  #2 {X} # fan on that door. so it won't be blowing over
Interviewer:  the door's open you want me to
748:  no no I don't I don't want it open. Just shut it there. Now Then we won't get no racket. {NS}
Interviewer:  yeah okay now right here we're down in the what
748:  we down in some kind of flat why we call it flats. over here in a flat people {D: call it} a flat.
Interviewer:  yeah. But there's some this kind of rolling land here.
748:  that's right.
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  rolling land.
Interviewer:  uh is it flat now above here or
748:  well I'll tell you. it plays a {X}
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  because uh uh it takes out right right out in front of my eyes that's flat down there.
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  well you see it {X} out there when you cultivate I can't cultivate that down there too wet but if it raises up you know your cultivating ground where I've raised some of the best stuff I I've ever grown in town. take my brother in law last time had to buy a tractor down there uh if anybody wants {X} beg for time he ain't got to even go to the warehouse {NW} he's our brother in law. He knows how to read
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  He specializes in truck {D: pulling} which I've raised a lot of truck stuff myself but he's raised it to sell. and he specializes in {D: truck pulling} and he raises uh he don't raise cotton he raises corn for sale {X} {X} he raise peas. different kinds of peas. in his garden he raises the hot potatoes sweet potatoes
Interviewer:  yeah what do you call them?
748:  well hot potatoes is just a all I know we uh
Interviewer:  {X}
748:  all I know is just ice cream
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  a sweet potato is something you bake it and it uh it's good you know to eat raw I mean you just bake.
Interviewer:  {X}
748:  hot potatoes are the {X} you have to cook them I mean have to boil in them.
Interviewer:  what different types of sweet potatoes?
748:  well we've got several different types of them. we we used to have we used to have an old tin heavy foil well I'll just take a two. oh with Spanish yam and then we had uh what you call a yellow yam
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  and then we got uh let me see red red potato just a red potato just a big ol' red potato
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  and when it made why you could cook it it was good but if you bake a bunch of it it almost turned like cornbread through heating them red potatoes.
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  yellow potatoes I told you about that they're good to bake you bake them they're good you kind of
Interviewer:  now what are yams?
748:  what's a yam? Well all I know we just call them uh {NW} just uh potato {NW} pumpkin yam you know like that's just I don't know what the yam mean
Interviewer:  yeah you say pumpkin?
748:  yeah pumpkin yam. and we raise a pumpkin now we raise a real pumpkin
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  they're big they're big things
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  and peel them {X} and cut them up cook them and make pie or anything else you want then just as as a as a as a dessert meal dessert or you make pie and things like that
Interviewer:  you're raising little red vegetables?
748:  red vegetable well the only red vegetable I raised I raised beets beets is just uh a vegetable that comes up and the only way you and the only way that particular vegetable is used is is is is boiled get it good and done then you put {NW} vinegar and salt stuff like in it then {X} just like you buy a a beet pickled out of the store. cucumbers the same way cucumbers uh grow out on vines where you take them the cucumber seeds some folks take get little big ones and put them in vinegar shred them up and then you heat them with salt to take the eat them eat them raw if you wanted just take a little salt and {X} do it that way. Same thing about onions
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  you take onions and
Interviewer:  #1 you got those little #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  fresh ones maybe
748:  yeah onions in usually different ways you know we got up there we have there we have a a little bitty I call it a little {X} you might say.
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  then they have the big onions that grow big you know and you can serve them eat them raw or you can cook them they they good cooked.
Interviewer:  yeah what kind of vegetables would you like in a soup?
748:  in a soup? well I tell you what I like in a soup. best. I like uh say well like okra some okra
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  {NW} and I like uh uh little little pepper be little pepper cut up in it street pepper or or hot pepper cut up in it and uh and a little uh well you might put a little lettuce or something like that in it that's about all I
Interviewer:  how much what do you raise how do you raise lettuce? How much do you raise?
748:  lettuce? well you plant it down and it grows just like just like any other greens you know you you don't have to plant a whole lot you can plant a row or seven depends on a whole lot lettuce you need a lot of folks {X} some of them they just {X} the head up
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  and just like the head up just like a {X}
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  you just take that and get ready to serve it just cut it up and you can make pickles out of it you can make a salad out of it mix it with onions
Interviewer:  #1 yeah #
748:  #2 tomatoes # put one thing on it or another make a salad out of it.
Interviewer:  you raise how many you raise you might go to the store and buy two
748:  well uh
Interviewer:  if you're going to buy lettuce you go to the store and buy two
748:  well if I want to go to the store and buy lettuce it depends I decide I want to make I want to use now I don't want to use say make a small salad then you get the small head of lettuce.
Interviewer:  but if you had a lot of people coming you might buy
748:  a bigger head of lettuce.
Interviewer:  or you might buy two
748:  that's right. you you buy two or bigger heads
Interviewer:  two what?
748:  they come in head of lettuce they come in different sizes you you you can buy lettuce in different sizes
Interviewer:  yeah #1 but #
748:  #2 like # just like you can buy a cabbage you can go to the store and buy the cabbage remember the head just like that then you get a good head like that. Like for a small fa- you going to small cook for a small family you get you a small head
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  and if you want to cook for a big family get you a bigger head.
Interviewer:  you raise a lot? You raise a lot of
748:  lettuce I mean uh lettuce
Interviewer:  #1 Ca #
748:  #2 I raise a little bit sometimes #
Interviewer:  yeah you raise a lot of ca
748:  cabbage?
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  yeah I've raised some cabbage sometimes I was telling my I'm trying to grow some now said I almost went and planted some. to have some later so they {D: won't it won't but one time.}
Interviewer:  yeah.
748:  see? growing some now I'm trying to get some of these some of these some of these plants I'm just finding some knives and set them out.
Interviewer:  #1 what #
748:  #2 why he'll he'll he'll put a {X} #
Interviewer:  where all the what all the where all the ca
748:  what's that?
Interviewer:  you say where all the cabbage will
748:  #1 well #
Interviewer:  #2 cabbages will #
748:  well the cabbage is just growing the head up I use it and then then and I I plant some so I can have some later you know we'll have some or or coming over the same time what I'm talking about.
Interviewer:  yeah. talking about the sides you'd say they these
748:  well the sides of cabbage?
Interviewer:  yeah
748:  the sides it varies now say take here it depends on uh the richest spots of the ground and the seeds don't get seeded on you've got to have the rain and the water and the temperature. and uh the fer on the to the fertility plant but maybe you have a big head here because it's a somehow another plant get a little more moisture a little more fertility or something and uh maybe that down there you can find up some more head and uh that that's due to the fact I reckon because you just didn't get enough fertility or something.
Interviewer:  how big do they get here?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  do they get big here?
748:  well they will grow big some of them you place them but some of them as I said a while ago. some of them cabbage grow big and some little.
Interviewer:  uh now you uh okay other vegetables you might raise you mentioned tomatoes you got them little
748:  yeah we we we we uh we used to have those little oh you see I forget what you supposed to little deal with tomatoes
Interviewer:  huh? tommy?
748:  I'm just trying to think of the source.
Interviewer:  yeah. You know what a #1 tommy #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  tommy toe?
748:  no I don't know don't know it by name I'll just be honest with you.
Interviewer:  the little ol' tomatoes you ever hear tommy toe? Tomato? or what do they call those little ones?
748:  well that's what I'm trying to think what we call those little tomatoes all I know right now
Interviewer:  yeah
Interviewer:  What about those little vegetables little red ones? They were kind of peppery you might chew on 'em eat 'em raw? They grow in the ground they have roots? R- uh.
748:  That's that's what we call a radish. See a radish I I I know the little roots taste good and a lot of folks just tell you about 'em. That's a radish. Now sometimes folks will use that pot to boil. It's one that you uh you know you just boil that boil in the other room. {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well the rule is just to take them letting them little when picking little radishes out of the garden. {NS} Clean 'em up and wash 'em up and put 'em on the table and as you eat you eat 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Always. Radish yeah.
Interviewer:  By the way this {B} I was talking with uh with Jeffery {B} yesterday and he told me to give it give you his best.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  He said hi to you.
748:  {NW} {B} Who?
Interviewer:  Judge {B}
748:  Oh {B} yeah.
Interviewer:  Judge Carson {B}
748:  Yeah I know him.
Interviewer:  #1 He lives down in Junction City #
748:  #2 Uh uh who the # {B} yeah a fine old fellow used to be our judge a long time ago, I know him. I always thought the most of him. He always did treat me nice.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um {NS} well {NS} uh other tomatoes you might have or I mean other other.
748:  Well we have different kinds of tomatoes now different names. You got your {D: say the}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Different names for tomatoes.
Interviewer:  What other kind of things do you raise?
748:  What I raise?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well I'll tell you what I raise here I raise peas.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I've raised corn.
Interviewer:  If you want to get the?
748:  I've raised potatoes.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And I've raised collards.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Collards?
748:  Cabbage. Snap beans. Butter beans. And uh in a bush full of beans then the bush gonna and then there's the running butter bean.
Interviewer:  Right. You got them big ol' butter beans?
748:  Yeah and there's.
Interviewer:  #1 Yellowish kind of? #
748:  #2 {NW} # That's right and then there's they're they're and and then we got uh uh a running butter bean on a phone pole then we gotta u-uh when it grow down there it makes bunches it come in bunch {D: and the butcher's like that's bunches.} #1 Growing four or five. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # What about that large flat bean that doesn't come in the you have to get it out of the pod?
748:  Well that a Lima bean. You'd call them Lima bean.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um are there any any other names for 'em? Uh was there any different sizes for 'em or #1 anything like? #
748:  #2 Not that I know of # To be honest with you.
Interviewer:  Now snap beans you can eat them?
748:  Yeah snap bean you just eat it take 'em off when they're turning then break 'em up break 'em up and cook 'em.
Interviewer:  Are there any different types of them?
748:  Well we've got one called a Kentucky Wonder.
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  I know that. And then let me see.
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  None of these others I don't know I never even cared much about beans cause I never raised 'em like that but I know what them the main bean they raise around here is the {NS} the Kentucky Wonder.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. {NS}
748:  They'll grow up on poles you see.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW} You have to string 'em, though. They're good if you just pull that little string out.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And then other beans that you can't eat by hand you gotta?
748:  Yeah you can just just shell 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah you gotta shell 'em.
748:  And just shell 'em but the only way I had to shell it was to put it in my hand.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now do you cut the tops off of of nests of turnips and make?
748:  Well just make a
Interviewer:  Make a mess of?
748:  Yes just just a mess a ton of greens.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well what other kind of greens do you have? Besides turnip's tops turnip tops? You got collards
748:  #1 Mustards #
Interviewer:  #2 you said? #
748:  {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 Mustards? #
748:  #2 We're really into mustards # we're really into mustards we're really into um and we we gotta {NS} uh love these mustards.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And I've made the grandkids eat they've even got a little just call 'em mustard seeds. And then uh
Interviewer:  What if?
748:  Some for great expense.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  That's all the same.
Interviewer:  That's good I love that.
748:  Yeah same deal.
Interviewer:  Now what about that big red uh I mean that big yellow crooked neck vegetable?
748:  That's a squash.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You got a white one?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Some some squashes as well I got here out {D: well they all try to breed them with yellow.} They'll do 'em and um and have a crooked neck into it you know telling them the right time or they'll get too hard for you to cut 'em up. And they just and they'll cook all the pieces good.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did you have a name for it when you let it dry?
748:  No. Because its don't let it don't let a squash dry. Not to cook it not to set it.
Interviewer:  {D: We ever assemble it?}
748:  It's it's the only thing that uh only thing a squash is good for when it gets dried is you get the seeds out of it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You know what #1 {D: settling was?} #
748:  #2 W-w-when # when you when you when when you serve that want it to serve you cut it before it get dry. Eat it before it get dry cut it up and eat it before it gets dry. {D: And when I was tenant I was the} {D: younger yeared tenant you could ever hear.}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did you ever dry other things? #1 Other vegetables or fruit. #
748:  #2 I uh # I'll tell you what I dried. I have dried uh apples.
Interviewer:  Yeah? You make what?
748:  Dried apples. Peel 'em off and take them apples and put 'em up make pie out of 'em. And uh I made preserves out of 'em. And uh I think like that the same way about peaches.
Interviewer:  Yeah? What kind of peaches do you get?
748:  Well Uh they have other peaches here the main thing they been bring out is uh after classy peaches.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And I'll just tell you about another one what I couldn't I wouldn't want to then you gotta uh what do they call it an alien peach.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  That's a peach that sticks to the cob. You have to cut it off uh or bite it off one that's the only way you can go.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Make pickles out of 'em make pickles out of 'em they make best pickles my goodness alive. And just reach into the jar and get you a pickle. {NW}
Interviewer:  You have to cut it off the?
748:  That's right you have to cut it off got to cut it off the back though or would you call that over that corn? Or the seed.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Kernel?
748:  Kernels.
Interviewer:  The kernel did you say? #1 You gotta cut 'em? #
748:  #2 Yeah yeah kernel yeah. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now when you bite down on a on a well when you eat an apple a part you throw away is the?
748:  Core.
Interviewer:  Yeah. When you dried apples did you call them snits?
748:  No I never did call 'em we'd just call all I ever known is just calling 'em dried apples.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And the skin would do what it would?
748:  Well I'd peel it peel peeling. #1 You'd take them peelings #
Interviewer:  #2 Just #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  or you could take over half if you wanted you'd take them peelings and you'd make jelly out of 'em boil and make jelly out of 'em.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
748:  Take them peelings. Peel that apple. Take them and peel 'em and boil then peel them then make jelly out of 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now the the the apple when you when you dried a peach it would do what it would sh-?
748:  If you ever want to dry want to dry a peach you know it'll it'll it'll just crimp up and get small
Interviewer:  It'll sh- so you say it'll do what sh-?
748:  Just It'll just crimp up and dry up and just don't get plum dried but it'll just dry up you know and #1 its and #
Interviewer:  #2 And? #
748:  crimp up.
Interviewer:  You say its shr- shr-
748:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Shrivel? #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Would you say it sh- shriv- it does what?
748:  Well it'd just shrivel up you might say. Might get dry.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I have dried them in the sun just put 'em out in the sun and dry 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Cut 'em up and then peel 'em and cut 'em up. And spread 'em out in the sun let the hot sun in the hot sun you'll see it'll just dry 'em up and then shrivel up when you get the dry you want you want to take 'em and store 'em away and use 'em when you get ready.
Interviewer:  What oh what kind of melons do you raise?
748:  Melons? Well uh melons watermelons and {NW} {NW} You see this gray one.
Interviewer:  What different types of watermelon?
748:  Well this gray watermelon I'm trying to call {D: main one.} Long gray Uh long they have another one on it that's uh is a uh we call it a a little old
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  one of 'em was a little old I have to keep 'em in {X} A little one, not that big.
Interviewer:  #1 Icebox? #
748:  #2 You needed seeds. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # Yeah ice box.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Would you
748:  Oh well other one that I know they grow very big jumbo. And uh.
Interviewer:  Congo?
748:  And uh I'm trying to think of that Charleston Gray. And uh I've raised them.
Interviewer:  That comes from where?
748:  That you in uh the watermelon comes from
Interviewer:  Charleston Gray?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Charleston Gray comes from?
748:  You mean where the wa- the watermelon?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well the watermelon you plant the seeds plant the seeds and and when the seed come up and it'll make a fussy little bush and then it'll make a vine. Then they'll come on out a little little bitty ol' watermelon uh a a bloom. A little bloom comes out on the end of that little watermelon of yours and it may be it may be a hundred blooms on there #1 on that vine #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  Maybe just one to one of them.
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
748:  #2 See? #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # Depends on what you wanted.
Interviewer:  You ever seen them little small yellow meat?
748:  Well if yellow uh uh I would call them uh cantaloupes.
Interviewer:  Cantaloupes?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  For any other types of melons? #1 Mush? #
748:  #2 A cantaloupe and a mushmelon. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # A cantaloupe and a mushmelon now a mushmelon you can them ones will grow long. Cantaloupes round.
Interviewer:  I see. That's interesting. Have you gotten them things that'll come up in a field after a rain and they look like little umbrellas?
748:  Yeah. {NW} Do you know what we call them? A dog stool.
Interviewer:  #1 Dog stools? #
748:  #2 {NW} # That's the only way that I've called 'em. Th-that's {X} like. That's what we called them though but I've seen 'em grow good I've seen 'em come up to be g-good big thing. #1 I've seen #
Interviewer:  #2 What are they called? #
748:  and I've seen some little big ones.
Interviewer:  Dog?
748:  I call 'em dog we call that we just call 'em dog stools.
Interviewer:  Dog stool?
748:  Yeah that's right.
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen have you ever seen the little ones they call 'em mush uh mushy mushrooms?
748:  Yeah I've seen that your mushroom.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now the type of other fruits you might raise. You get you ever get what kind of tree was it old George Washington cut down?
748:  George Washington cut down?
Interviewer:  Yeah he cut down a what?
748:  Oh well I'm
Interviewer:  The ch- the?
748:  {X} There's the pecan tree. {X}
Interviewer:  You got pecan? Okay.
748:  Well I just can't think right now I know about it.
Interviewer:  You got any little old berries? Kind of almost like it grows in a tree? What kind of trees do you got with berries on 'em? Ch- Do you got a?
748:  Well I'll tell you what we have mulberries.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Trees come up and uh and they have mulberries on them. They'll bloom out.
Interviewer:  What kind of pie might you like?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  What kind of pie do you like?
748:  Pie?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well I like um most any kind of pie and I'll just tell you
Interviewer:  #1 Apple #
748:  #2 the truth. #
Interviewer:  #1 or? #
748:  #2 Like apple # and I like uh berry pie and I like uh potato pie.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Ch-
748:  And I like uh chicken pie going to when it w-when it comes to the meats.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And that's it.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And pie made out of different kinds of fruits.
Interviewer:  What about those little red kind type of fruits? They might use they've got a seed in 'em?
748:  Got a seed in 'em?
Interviewer:  When you ever used to get a banana split or something like that would they put a little red kind of thing on top? A red?
748:  I'm just trying to think cause I don't know anything about that type of thing I don't can't
Interviewer:  A cherry? You got any wild cherry?
748:  Wild cherry.
Interviewer:  Cherries yeah.
748:  Yeah there's some wild cherry trees here cherry wild cherry trees. That's right.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Well when you eat #
748:  #2 Why a cherry tree # very little come on there and and they're red and they're sort of like something like a mayhaw. I don't know where the other you here don't see very many of these.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Mayhaws You know they grow in the bottles. They don't grow out over here. They grow in bottles.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And uh you get them mayhaws well the biggest thing I know that the biggest thing I know that they pretty good to eat biggest thing I know they're good for is to make jelly out of 'em. They sure do make good jelly. Mayhaw
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
748:  And they grow in the bottle. They don't grow in {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Yeah they grow in the bottles.
Interviewer:  Now when you eat a cherry you might break off a on on the the inside of the cherry what do you call that?
748:  Uh {NW} the the core? What would you call that? {X}
Interviewer:  The inside of a cherry?
748:  I don't know I don't never eat any cherries #1 cherries. #
Interviewer:  #2 B- # Bite down on the what?
748:  You bite down on the on the core but uh the core or the.
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  So I don't.
Interviewer:  And you might break off a? Break off a what?
748:  Well you'd just break off a piece of one I'd say. {NW}
Interviewer:  Break uh uh one of your?
748:  Well you might break you can turn your teeth on it I don't.
Interviewer:  You know you might break off one what one?
748:  Well you might break off one teeth if you bite o-on something too hard.
Interviewer:  Break off a what?
748:  Teeth. Teeth.
Interviewer:  A tooth?
748:  Teeth one of your teeth.
Interviewer:  Yeah you'd say you'd break off one? Or when you go to the dentist he has to pull a?
748:  Well the dentist have to pull at your teeth.
Interviewer:  Pull one?
748:  Well if he he gonna do it at all he gotta pull the root out. If it's broke.
Interviewer:  Of one?
748:  Of uh of that one teeth pull the root out. Just go off in there.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. Uh now the kind of nuts you might raise the kind you you raise out here and pull 'em out of the ground roast 'em?
748:  Nuts
Interviewer:  Yeah. You raise any nuts in back there?
748:  No. The old uh peanuts.
Interviewer:  Yeah they call 'em?
748:  Uh goobers.
Interviewer:  Goobers?
748:  {NW} Yeah.
Interviewer:  {X} You ever heard that?
748:  Yeah What's yeah I got that. They call 'em goobers #1 {D: once they clean up} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  they're sometimes called goobers.
Interviewer:  Uh what about nuts you get out of trees?
748:  Well hazelnuts Pecans and walnuts.
Interviewer:  Black?
748:  Black walnuts. Hazelnuts. Only different s- different different #1 sized #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  Hazelnuts are a different size than walnuts.
Interviewer:  Yeah the hard covering of a walnut?
748:  Well the walnut it I and the way that you way you serve that you gotta bust that the whole and pick it out.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Same thing about hazelnuts.
Interviewer:  You gotta bust open the what?
748:  Well you gotta bust open that uh that that cone that that shell.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And then there's a before you get into there there's a there's a kind of a soft covering around the #1 out. #
748:  #2 Well I'll tell you what # Tops it's up around what?
Interviewer:  Around the outside of the thing?
748:  Oh well that's just a uh.
Interviewer:  That's a what #1 that's? #
748:  #2 I just call that the hull. #
Interviewer:  The hull? Yeah. Now you mentioned pecans you any get any them little little flat nuts here almonds or?
748:  No we don't I've got 'em
Interviewer:  #1 Almonds? #
748:  #2 but we we don't # they don't grow here.
Interviewer:  What?
748:  I I say they don't grow here but I ain't never seen one grow here but I've seen.
Interviewer:  What?
748:  They're little uh almonds almond nuts.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah but you don't have 'em. Hmm. That's interesting. Um. Well a place where are there any big places here where all that stuff you might have a a group of fruit trees growing together? Like a man down the road might have a? A peach? Say he had a peach?
748:  And and they're fruit you said fruit growing together?
Interviewer:  Yeah. D- Does anyb- does anybody here have a big place where they grow a lot of fruit?
748:  That I've seen a lot of places like that I have grown it myself.
Interviewer:  You have?
748:  And uh peaches you know there's a peach tree here and an apple tree yonder pear tree yonder. {NS} And uh plums and plums yeah them come come on trees.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You had a fruit?
748:  I've had fruit trees. Apples peaches plums. Yeah. And uh and walnuts same like I {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Mostly nuts you know. {NS}
Interviewer:  A place uh if you have a lot of peach trees you might have a peach?
748:  Peach orchard. I'd call that a peach orchard.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  If you've got a lot of apple trees they'd call that apple orchard.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Or a pear orchard's where there's a whole lot of oh if it's {NW} big there's a place and and just one type of tree call it you you'd it's just got apple trees in it nothing but apple trees next is pear trees and uh next is plum trees plum orchard.
Interviewer:  Does uh do you get that kind of fruit here that they grow down in Florida? About as big as an apple except its got a shell like a lemon on it?
748:  Yeah but I don't know what the name is. I sees no I never bought one of them but I see it out on.
Interviewer:  What what kind of juice might you have in the morning when you get up?
748:  Well juice in the morning if I want some juice in the morning I'll just drink something like orange juice.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Or tomato juice.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Then in other words you get the well how do they make orange juice?
748:  Well the only way ever I've made it is just just take an orange and just rub it real good and and then and then cut it and squeeze the juice out of it.
Interviewer:  Oh that's the the so the juice it comes from the juice of?
748:  An orange. See? Rub that orange and rub it a good ripe orange just rub it and rub it and rub it and it'll get soft and when it gets real soft then you cut that c-cut you a little hole in and just and mash on it you mash that hull together and that'll run that juice out.
Interviewer:  Do you like them?
748:  Yes I like them. Same thing about lemons lemons you
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  you wanna rub it y-you wanna I've I have sucked on one just then you can just rub a lemon and rub a lemon and rub a lemon to get him good and soft and mash that juice out of there. Put them some water if you want enough of it. I'll cut you cut I peel nothing you can cut lemons up in some water and sweeten it and we call that lemonade. See?
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now you might've had a a you might've you had some family or friends over to visit you uh so you went out and you bought a bag of oranges and uh you went in a couple of days later and and the bag was empty you'd say the or- the what the?
748:  Do you mean? Well the well I just simply just used all up our oranges.
Interviewer:  Oranges you'd say the?
748:  You've just done used 'em all up.
Interviewer:  The what the?
748:  The oranges.
Interviewer:  Or? All or do you say oh my goodness I wanted me an orange is it I wanted me one of these oranges and they're all they're?
748:  Well sometimes it doesn't done sp- done done done done spoiled and rotted.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  {NW} We'll get you an orange sometime I've ever had if I got to put up a watermelon in here well I call gonna go try to save me watermelon.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
748:  I just try with a new experience one but when I cut that watermelon I try to freeze it. Keep it that ways. And I'll tell you another thing about watermelon we have kept watermelon we put 'em in the house and I've known folks to keep 'em there till Christmas. Right here in this country. And sometime you cut you bring one in there you've been keeping a while you just get so bust and all on the floor.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I raised two big watermelons out there last year in my garden I couldn't tote it but I rolled 'em got 'em in the house and my why I saved 'em well he cut one one time or another and I went in there one day and and felt one of them watermelons looked and it's done got so soft and led to buckling that and that other one w-wasn't wrong I've got that knife I'll cut you {NW} And it was still good.
Interviewer:  But uh you had a bag and now they're? Now the oranges are?
748:  You mean or- bagged up oranges?
Interviewer:  You had a bag of oranges and now they're? Somebody's eaten 'em? They're? You'd say they are? All? All gone?
748:  Well bag of oranges and and and I keep 'em missing by the bag when they're all gone they're just all gone well I go for some time I thought I had an orange in there.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But went down there and looked oh they ate up all them oranges.
Interviewer:  Yeah. If somebody offered you a plate maybe and it had peaches and apples on it and they offered you an apple and you would say no I don't want an apple?
748:  Well if I'd rather have a peach I'd say I'll take a peach.
Interviewer:  Or give it?
748:  Or apple whichever one I'd prefer.
Interviewer:  You'd say uh I don't want a I don't want a apple.
748:  Yeah. That's right. That's take I say I'll I'll be able to take a peach.
Interviewer:  Or gimme?
748:  Gimme a peach.
Interviewer:  Gimme a peach. Or if you didn't want a peach you'd say?
748:  A apple.
Interviewer:  Huh?
748:  An apple just gimme an apple.
Interviewer:  Okay. #1 Now #
748:  #2 Just like uh # I'll tell you this much I'll be talking. {NW} I went to California to see my daughter. And she had a cousin out there a cousin {D: on the big been shopping for it. And when we went to that place {NS} why when my when my daughter gets out she goes into the kitchen where her cousin was preparing the meal and I go into the living room and sit down. And I sit round the living room {NW} there's a bunch of Coca-Colas sitting on the table and a bottle of whiskey. Well as the Lord would have it came on by anyway and I I just said uh listen gentleman and I'll take a coke. Y'all drink all that all you want I said I don't drink whiskey but I'll take a coke. {NW} Think
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Cause I had quit drank whiskey. I just leaned back and of course and right after I said that {D: and and man won't even open this bottle he said} {C: Background noise} I won't open a bottle of whiskey I've served I'm certified to {X} {NW} but they did. I have drank whiskey but uh I wanna tell you two things about whiskey. I drank some whiskey once and I went to to a to a prayer meeting. I know that I was going there when I left when I left cause she I know where I'm going I know where I'm going. I've drank some whiskey. And they're calling me to pray. And when I prayed uh didn't nobody hear the prayer but the devil. Uh but two or three days after that I couldn't hardly eat sleep nor drink. Just the truth however I told it. I prayed and prayed to my god this if you'll just forgive me for that I'll never no more touch a drop of intoxicating beverage Knowingly now listen I said knowingly.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 That if I was going anywhere # to anticipate in religious wishing. Alright. They made a {X} out of me up here at my chest. And in the name of then I made this promise to my god that I'd never no more take a drop of no kind of {X} just for the sake of a beverage to fall sick. I'll take a little. That's the first whiskey that I told story a while ago I didn't intend my my neph- when my god forgive for that I'm telling you he just looked to me like some stuck me and he just come on up to my home. Get out of the way.
Interviewer:  #1 W-what? #
748:  #2 I have # Drinked whiskey but I I drink whiskey I talked to a women at my church we got talking about drinks {NW} I said now listen I said I don't drink whiskey but I'll tell you what right now I have drank. I said I done whiskey a thousand times. I don't have each other's here come they don't need a limelight. {NW} I told 'em I got up someone pushed my arm and I'd been there two or three years and I said a-anyone bout that must've meant you got another {X} I said how come they can say that Yep uh. In account of sickness or something like that and I wondered and swore if I saw something like that I'd take it. How come you get separate is cause my daughter had one of the worst colds I reckon s-she ever had. And somebody told me to take some get some whiskey and and make a make a different lemon put something like hot lemon and warm whiskey. And I got it.
Interviewer:  How did she get it?
748:  I mean I got it she took a cold. And I got the I got the whiskey bought it. {C: Clock begins chiming and keep chiming until 25m41s} And when I bought the whiskey why uh brought it home. Fixed it up. Fixed it up with a bit of hot tea in it. You hope shoot when there's something down looking for she'd only come here the other day. She'd come to visit me she found that whiskey what I had left and she drank it all up. {NW} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  {NW} {NW} {NS} Well in case of emergency I bought I went and got another bottle. {X} Just bought that and went to bed. #1 Been there three or four year. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Yeah but you said that whiskey?
748:  Whiskey.
Interviewer:  Did what to your daughter?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
748:  #2 I said # I said my my daughter like whiskey you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I don't {NW} I mean I get it I made that that that uh tea out of that that whiskey and stuff up for my daughter while she had the cold.
Interviewer:  And it it what?
748:  It helped her.
Interviewer:  It helped her?
748:  Yeah it helped relieve her. And I said one of 'em left. {NW} Well so I still have it here. My sister found it and she drank it here. So I said well seeing as how something like that happened again I would just get in some whiskey and keep it there. Been gone right now. Another man drink it I didn't drink it another man drink it. But I kept the bottle can't get much out of the bottle.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 Just about a swallow. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  #1 Do you know? #
748:  #2 I #
Interviewer:  Go ahead.
748:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  Go ahead.
748:  I never been down drunk in my life. But I've drinks whiskey.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I tell 'em to add to my check. That I don't know I'm not sure if I would drink if I was sick or something I would drink that. So I quit drinking. {NS}
Interviewer:  Um. {NS} Well do you remember when folks used to make that here?
748:  #1 Make that? #
Interviewer:  #2 Back when # they used to make it maybe illegally?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  They called it?
748:  Uh they called it rum. {NS} They. {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Folks would go down Saturday night to the where?
748:  Well the folks um some folks you know serve a round bigger than their house. {X} Cause I know a fellow who lives in town here {X} and then some of 'em uh some of 'em made that stuff in the woods you know. Sell it to the folk
Interviewer:  Call it what? That was?
748:  Well they called it they called it make beer and stuff like that you know and.
Interviewer:  Yeah at home that that home stuff they?
748:  Home brew.
Interviewer:  Home brew?
748:  Home brew yeah. That was when the when uh couldn't buy it. Whiskey here you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  What about that? Go ahead.
748:  Well I know the fellow that uh had a place right down there he made made that stuff. And I have {X} both of them.
Interviewer:  Down where?
748:  Right down there in the woods.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Had to hide according to the law someone would get you. Couldn't make it.
Interviewer:  You mean north of here?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You're pointing north of here?
748:  No I said I said right down there in the woods.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh. #
748:  #2 I mean right out there in the woods not far from here. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Down in the #1 bottom there? #
748:  #2 Down in the bottom right right right. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # Now {X} both of them and this is up on the hill now. Way back up yonder in the woods. He had a place at uh he made that home brew.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 Went and # bought and made it and bottled it up #1 {D: see and hold it around} #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that beer? #
748:  Hold it around and set it.
Interviewer:  Beer?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Would he ever make any stronger than beer?
748:  Sure. Sure I've been there to make whiskey yeah.
Interviewer:  Call that white?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Did you ever have any names for that?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Moon?
748:  Let me see some people call it moonshine or.
Interviewer:  White white lightning or any?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about the stuff that was really bad? #1 You know just like #
748:  #2 Okay. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  pop people's skulls.
748:  In baths?
Interviewer:  Really bad stuff it makes your head reel or something like that.
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  The man who sold it he was a?
748:  Well he was a I'd call it a bootlegger.
Interviewer:  Bootlegger?
748:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And uh did do you ever hear about the place where they'd sell it?
748:  About the places where they sell it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Sure they sell it four-forty five-eighty-seven that holds the horse. {NW} {D: Horse don't just torch just bleeding down here one night} big wagon load lets fire it up that {D: gin stuff.} And uh yeah. {NS} Somebody snuck up down there and uh the man that owned the whiskey {D: that hard} did a {D: hole in his head} now. They're building stuff. He was along he wasn't in the wagon women now I don't in a wagon. And somebody's stuff was caught up in that they hadn't they didn't have that uh dumpster at the end. Stuff on their creek. And cars would want to go forth ways. This man is owning that stuff now he says we says {X} and I don't know what we're going to do. {NW} He's had the sheriff's car {D: double blanched up.} {NW} That way he says he says no I ain't scared of the sheriff but I'm scared of the people. Of course like {X} to what he meant by that. If people know if some people if they know that sheriff know that that sheriff would act accord- but if he if if as long as he didn't know saw nobody know he was gonna say oh it in with the sheriff. {NW}
Interviewer:  Was he? {NW}
748:  #1 Yeah you know he must #
Auxiliary:  #2 {NW} #
748:  #1 you know he must be. #
Auxiliary:  #2 {NW} #
748:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 #
748:  Yeah you know that the sheriff. Sheriff wouldn't hardly do nothing. But sometimes folks would have to do something to save the day. {NW} Now I said what they told told me and let me tell you. There's a car that wanna go north car that wanna go south. And one man passed by my wagon. And he asked me what are you loaded with? I said oh just bunch a boxes that's all I said. A bunch of boxes. I didn't say what was in 'em I said its a bunch of boxes. And he kept on {X} That's the only man said a word to me. And when the sheriff when they got the sheriff car and he went on by then here we going to buy our {D: vehicle} now. Had had to be right down here at Parker's. Uh uh uh. Well he yeah {D: down at Parker's} police right down across {D: talked to him repeatedly} Ever I asked yes for it I can. He tried to harm his self a load about ten miles across here what it be called snow hill. I said no no no I'm going to go alone I'll go. I'm going to tell you why. One wire they had it here. If uh if you were transferring some stuff for somebody else they didn't want you. Then they got tight on that. {NW} You're transferring something for somebody else and it's something against the law they'll get you too. {NS} {NW} It's uh.
Interviewer:  Did you ever hear the place where they'd sell it?
748:  Sure. Uh.
Interviewer:  You'd call that the?
748:  Well there's saloon uh
Interviewer:  {D: Blind?}
748:  Saloon or
Interviewer:  #1 Do you ever hear? #
748:  #2 {D: Beer joints.} # No like that.
Interviewer:  You ever hear of some sort of tiger?
748:  Tiger?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  No I don't.
Interviewer:  A blind tiger?
748:  Yeah I heard of blind I heard of blind tiger. Yeah. {NS}
Interviewer:  Uh. Now did you ever been up around Stuttgart?
748:  No sir I never been up there.
Interviewer:  What do they raise up there?
748:  I don't know to be honest to tell you the truth I don't know.
Interviewer:  You ever seen raised that that stuff mr {B} they go in a field and they flood it with water?
748:  Go in the field and flood it with water?
Interviewer:  Yeah rot uh like um somebody in this county you said once raised? That white kind of stuff that you you you raise in in water? You know it grows #1 {D: water?} #
748:  #2 Well. #
Interviewer:  You gotta have a lot of water to raise it.
748:  {NW} Let me see now.
Interviewer:  They raise it down in Louisiana a lot too.
748:  I'm just trying to steady do I know any kind of stuff like that that's raised around here? Had to raise it in water.
Interviewer:  A kind of white grain? You know they raise it up {NS} up in that prairie land up there.
748:  I see well I've I just don't know any about it see I ain't never been up there and I don't know I ain't seen it.
Interviewer:  Yeah? You ever raised rice?
748:  Rice. No I ain't never see raised no rice but I've seen some raised once. We was living on a white man's farm and that man had a way back down they had the farmer's union. And uh uh he raised some rice. Now take just one thing I all I know about what he done to that rice now the other I don't know but they'd gather that rice and tie it up in bundles.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And then you'd #1 put them? #
748:  #2 And then listen. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # Uh then he got into a room-like place
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  and whipped that whipped them bundles over a barrel or something like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well that
Interviewer:  Say you're doing what #1 trying? #
748:  #2 In in other words flat uh # flatten the rice out you see. Well after you flat that rice out and sacked up I don't know he done with it. Because one thing about it you know uh even if that's you know he he says that about them hulled ones. See we buy rice here because we ain't got some more. Sometimes you buy rice now you can see them little once in a while. You can see the little find the little hull in that rice. {NS}
Interviewer:  How much would he lay to the acre?
748:  Well {NW} I'd probably just have a small piece just a small place and just take it but I don't know I was a kid when I seen it done. and I just.
Interviewer:  Maybe about ten bu-?
748:  Yeah maybe about ten bushes you got a good a good big {X} he got it he got a big pile imagine if four five six eight ten big bushels of it? And he got it whooped out.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  They're good for #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You you # tied it up in a bundle right?
748:  Tie it in a bundle
Interviewer:  #1 And then you'd? #
748:  #2 and when he would go to # c- cut it you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  That way you make
Interviewer:  #1 And then you? #
748:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 And then at the end you tie it in a bundle you see. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # and uh
Interviewer:  #1 Then you'd put it in a? #
748:  #2 {D: point.} #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # Then y- you you'd take it up in and.
Interviewer:  Put it in a? Ten bundles made a?
748:  Take your put put them bundles in the house or if you want 'em then you got ready to shove 'em up but whoop it out what he done. Took them bundles and put 'em in the house he'd whip it out. Another way to get it together is get it done right.
Interviewer:  Yeah. A shock or a? #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Your name you named # any uh and he just tied this up I'll tell you what a shocked up way up grown on poles were his father's concerns were to feed our horses.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But he didn't shock this up.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh. #
748:  #2 You know his kid I told # we was in on his place he didn't shock this up he just cut it down had it cut and tied up tied up in bundles.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
748:  And hull again. Hull again to put it on a room. Doesn't have and whipped it out whipping it all about or something. And then when they whipped it out of course uh the shell part of that I'd throw that away and that rice I was gonna sack it up and I don't know what he done with it I don't know about it.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Away back on the farm as usual is a big thing here
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 in this county. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Now you said you raised hay and things like that. Where would you raise hay? That would be on land that was kind of land that was too low to raise anything else but hay? #1 That would be? #
748:  #2 Well I'll tell you # I've never just raised no hay never tried to raise no hay but I'll tell you one thing there's folks I know of around here raise hay {NW} uh you can't raise anything else if you want to grow it yourself. Anything anything {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. What about land that's just too sorry to do anything else with but say maybe raise clover?
748:  What'd you say?
Interviewer:  Clover or something like that. Something for to graze.
748:  Well clover I never seen no clover except some wild I don't know anything about clover.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I don't know nothing about it.
Interviewer:  Have you got any low-lying grassland?
748:  Well the some of it get round yeah.
Interviewer:  That's a what? That's a?
748:  We just call it mat grass or
Interviewer:  Mat? Oh.
748:  Something like that you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS} What about a place now you mentioned a place down by the creek or something what about a place that might be just uh had water standing in it for a good while? Of the time.
748:  Well we'd call that a oh sometimes we call it a slough sometimes we just call it a pond.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. What what if it had a lot of trees in it?
748:  Well {NW}
Interviewer:  Would you would you see one that had a lot of trees in it?
748:  Well uh I've seen some trees around here in ponds the majority of the ponds a certain type of tree grow in the pond but every type of tree you can grow in that pond.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
748:  You got to go outside. And uh {X} {NS} just come up.
Interviewer:  Now what is this over here?
748:  You mean?
Interviewer:  Over here this kind of low place.
748:  That's a low place we call I just call that the {D: branch bottom} is all I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh if you {NS} if you got a place uh a big place kind of maybe where that would grow or? Or a big you know would it would it be a big place you'd talk about with slough or?
748:  Yes. I've seen 'em small and I've seen 'em uh large.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I seen a slew of pond of water it stood right yonder where I would where we pay our gas bill. {NW} Okay I drive what? {NS} And there's trees and things growing down there. Half the water was still there year round till it all dried up. And I said I live to see a day she gonna clear that up and now I got all that down.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But I've seen that done. Right between here and that way Right between here and that way right there it was right to go where there where we pay our gas bill. On the right. That's where that pond water'd be. Great big pond water stood out there year round. That's right. But some out of {NW} the these out and fill that up some and usually that's land. Some size water. Water pond.
Interviewer:  What do you think about that?
748:  What do I think about that?
Interviewer:  What do you? Yeah about the land and everything.
748:  Well uh tell you all I think. Uh about land. Uh. I'd have to go Tell you about my god a little bit now. When he created Earth he said let's and land and land come forward and he just make a shelter out of it. He'd come forth and heal some of it and heal some of it low place some of it high some of it mountain. Well uh and picturing that add the water but that's that's what water run off of those hills and off of those mountains the same back up.
Interviewer:  Yeah have you ever seen a place where the water'd fall a long way?
748:  Yeah one uh once one time I you mean water way up falling off way up something?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I did once I'll tell you what I I did see and I I had read of it and heard of it and heard of it and seen going to California once uh I went to a place you know and uh the water here {NW} you know. {NS} I'll tell you another thing I've seen. I'd heard there's irrigation where I poke the water in the dam.
Interviewer:  How do they do that?
748:  Well I'll tell you that in a minute. When they had done that now.
Interviewer:  They dig?
748:  They had um they tell me now they have all sort of little little little ditches all around in it. And uh and then they'd run the water in them ditches. {NS} You see. And that water would uh the water from that would water that land. {NS}
Interviewer:  Hmm. {NS} Ain't that something?
748:  {NW} Funny to see see a place here I've seen place here that has has put in drain. {NS} Then went ahead uh air air get drained. Another thing out here this is dry. They look dry to me. Uh grass and its now it can be on. {NS} Now now now.
Interviewer:  Uh. Now did you ever seen them cut water kind of places to get water off the land?
748:  Cut water to get water off #1 the land? #
Interviewer:  #2 Cut cut ditches to? #
748:  Well that's right ditching you know. #1 Cut #
Interviewer:  #2 Get water. #
748:  Cut ditches and you open them.
Interviewer:  To get water off the land?
748:  Get water off of land and on and make it and it cut them ditches and all {NS} now I have a {NS} you have to have a {NS} a kind of a surveyor or some of them will come from Sumner.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  They didn't know just exactly how low to cut it.
Interviewer:  You'd say you're doing what you're?
748:  Well you you're surveying.
Interviewer:  #1 Alright. #
748:  #2 {X} # Another word you'd when you pick the ditches up you just you just run this eye hole I know but anyhow.
Interviewer:  That ditch is for?
748:  When you cut that water to drain that land in other words to keep it w-where you want it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Ditch it around this place. #1 And they'll go up down and yonder. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Yeah it's for draining?
748:  Uh draining you know. That's what its all it could be. Drain. But I've got some ditches I got one or two ditches right up there where I ditch it all out of my garden it just about filled up now I ain't been able to keep it cleaned out.
Interviewer:  Now when you're getting all the trees and the brush {C: pronunciation} brush and the shrubs off of your land. You had to do that? This land here you did you have to?
748:  I had to clear it off. You have to clear this land up and you come in and cut the bushes cut the trees everything. {NS} Pile 'em up and bundle 'em. And they've done that.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Why then I went in there with my mule and I cut 'em cold on an old cloth cut 'em colder and {NW} what we call a new-ground shelf. Without none of that break them loose up break them loose. You know break 'em pull them got your have your collars fixed right. And if that colder stuff uh look too big for it to cut it it'd jump over it.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And just keep her rolling.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Have you ever been down to the sea?
748:  Well yes I have I started to say I haven't but I have because uh cause when I was in California. Yeah that place was
Interviewer:  Yeah. You you ever been down to the below here to the? Something of Mexico?
748:  And no its I ain't been to Mexico the Gulf of Mexico. I been through Mexico but I ain't seen no seawater there. But uh
Interviewer:  #1 You've been through Mexico? #
748:  #2 Where # whatever that whatever that ocean is now when you go to California when I went there and uh and and like Seattle Washington. Or I've seen that. I don't know.
Interviewer:  You've been to Seattle?
748:  Sure I've been to Seattle. Been there four times.
Interviewer:  Gosh I'd like to see that I've never been there.
748:  I've been there four times. I got I got a girl there. I've been there to visit. Been there been lay it down without thinking about it four years ago.
Interviewer:  Where else you been?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Where else you been?
748:  Well I'll tell you I've been to I've been to Seattle Washington I've been to Detroit Michigan. And I've been to San Francisco. And I've been of course you get to San Fransisco and all around the Berkeley and Oakland all around all of them places.
Interviewer:  You been east?
748:  I've been to Texas. I've been in Louisiana. A piece {X} uh not too far in Louisiana but I've been in Louisiana and that's as many states as I know of any.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Of course I I got a sister who's been buried in Lou- this sister lost be buried in Louisiana today. {NS} And uh I've got a sister a daughter living in Detroit Michigan. And I got a daughter living in San Francisco. And Seattle. I have three daughters living at Oakland. {NW}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Um do you you ever been east of here?
748:  Well all I is is Texas east? If Texas is east I've been to Texas and that's as far as I've been. I don't know.
Interviewer:  Where you been to Louisiana?
748:  Well I forgot where's I been in Louisiana I've been to to Zwolle I've been to Jonesboro I've been to I've been to Mansfield.
Interviewer:  What's the capital of Louisiana?
748:  New Orleans.
Interviewer:  Bat- uh and then there's Bat-?
748:  I reckon its New Orleans I reckon.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And then there's that town called Baton?
748:  No Baton Rouge never been to Baton Rouge.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Well yeah now listen there's a place down there there's a veteran's hospital and you see well there. {D: I went I had a blood there.} All down in Baton Rouge is where the we went out of the way and I moved down somewhere.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  But I can't think now this which state uh which part of Lou- of which town that was.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
748:  #2 {D: Because all that} # {D: and a horse was easier than a} veteran's hospital.
Interviewer:  Now mr B-T the the the the the states to the east of here are what? Do you know any of 'em?
748:  Well states to the east of here.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Jackson? Is in?
748:  Well {NW} I don't know that much about Georgia I'll just tell you all that now. I know I know Louisiana one w- one way. And uh.
Interviewer:  What's that big river? Over there? {NS}
748:  Where? You mean what river?
Interviewer:  The big river that's on the border that's got?
748:  Uh. Well you know there's the Washita river right there.
Interviewer:  Well the Washita runs into the?
748:  Oh I thought we were going to the {D: Lee} river there. And now that there {D: Lee} river run into the ocean I guess.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You know that big river that comes down the middle of the country? Boats go up and down it and it goes through New Orleans?
748:  Well uh I think for one they they brought me down here at this Washita river.
Interviewer:  Yeah? The Missi-?
748:  It it could be called it got dams on it they they they used to be in it {X} floating down here. But I don't know now I know 'em but I know there's no way.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Okay.
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  Do you know where Jackson is? Jackson Mississi-?
748:  I just heard of it I never been there.
Interviewer:  Yeah? You ever heard of Mississippi?
748:  That's right. I've heard of Mississippi. I guess I always assumed Mississippi was going to some of these some of these places I went but you know I couldn't think about it right now.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 If you know what I mean. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Now on the Mississippi what's that big town up the river? Up in Tenne- in uh you ever been to Tennessee?
748:  No sir never been to Tennessee.
Interviewer:  Never been where?
748:  No sir never been to Tennessee. Never been.
Interviewer:  To?
748:  Tennessee.
Interviewer:  Okay. You heard of that that town on the river there? Memph-?
748:  I've heard of Memphis Tennessee and that's all I've heard of there in Tennessee.
Interviewer:  #1 Chatta-? #
748:  #2 I don't believe I have no real but I don't know about that. #
Interviewer:  You ever heard of Chatta-? Chattan-?
748:  Chattanooga?
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 You know Chattanooga Tennessee? Yeah # I've heard of that.
Interviewer:  And where do they play that good old music? Up in? Nash-? That good ol''? Nash-?
748:  Well um
Interviewer:  Nashville?
748:  I've heard so much music and I heard it in a terribly different place and I just couldn't couldn't think right now just where its at. Now I need to be saying yeah cause I want to. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But I've heard those TV things like that good music in 'em.
Interviewer:  You know that state that ol' George Wallace is governor of? Was? What's that?
748:  George Washington?
Interviewer:  Yeah where they banned where they banned trying to ban black people from going to college? Back in the sixties?
748:  Let me see. George Washington.
Interviewer:  George Wallace.
748:  Oh George Waller?
Interviewer:  Wallace. You know who he was?
748:  No.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now my state is? Do you know where Richmond is? Richmond Vir-?
748:  I've not heard of Richmond but I have #1 {D: seen it is in Virginia.} #
Interviewer:  #2 Virginia? #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Okay and and then there's North and South?
748:  Carolina.
Interviewer:  Huh?
748:  North and South Carolina you're talking about?
Interviewer:  Yeah there's South Carolina and?
748:  North Carolina. Cause my daddy was born in North Carolina.
Interviewer:  Was he?
748:  Yeah that's where he come from North Carolina. {NS}
Interviewer:  I'd been meaning to get that down I didn't {NS} I don't know whether I got that or not. Your daddy was born in North Carolina?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Your daddy was born in North Carolina?
748:  My daddy was born in North Carolina. And raised that's where he was raised.
Interviewer:  When did he come here?
748:  He come here in around in Arkansas about nineteen hund- I mean about eighteen hundred and ninety.
Interviewer:  So he was?
748:  To Arkansas.
Interviewer:  How old were you when he came here?
748:  Well how old he were Because to be honest with you I couldn't tell you all I know he just a grown man. {NS}
Interviewer:  Okay. And your mother?
748:  My mother she was born in North Carolina.
Interviewer:  You ever been back where they were born?
748:  No sir I never have.
Interviewer:  So you're at where your relatives came from?
748:  Say what?
Interviewer:  You ever wa- didn't you watch Roots on TV?
748:  Well if I have I haven't you know I can't keep up with it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now did your father get any education?
748:  No.
Interviewer:  Could he read and write? What about your mother?
748:  She couldn't either.
Interviewer:  Um what did your father do?
748:  Well biggest thing I know is it would be a farmer. One short while I know that he worked as a soldier.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And your mother?
748:  She was too. She was a farmer too.
Interviewer:  Sharecrop?
748:  That yeah.
Interviewer:  Did your father sharecrop here?
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  When he was able.
748:  That's right. {NS}
Interviewer:  {D: But you had to work a lot yourself.}
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Do you remember your grandparents on your mother's side?
748:  No I don't remember them cause to tell you the truth I never seen none of 'em.
Interviewer:  #1 Do you remember? #
748:  #2 Of course I never seen I never tell you what #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # I ain't never seen of my folks I never seen 'em but my brothers and my sisters. And and mother and father of course I can't remember my mother uh too well. Because in when they collapsed slavery the family split up. See? And some went one way and some went another I had one uncle they tell me went to Mississippi. I got a brother who said he went to see him. I never get to see him. I had one cousin when when my when my daddy come from North Carolina to here one cousin come to me and she went to Pine Bluff but I never get to see her. Never get to see her. So I never seen a cousin I never seen an uncle or my aunt. {X} But I was born here you see after my daddy come here from North Carolina to where I'm born.
Interviewer:  Gotcha. Do you and you don't remember your grandparents?
748:  No I couldn't remember 'em cause I never seen 'em.
Interviewer:  Did your father ever tell you about 'em?
748:  I've heard him tell about 'em I've heard him talk about his grandparents and all like that but that's the only way he talks about 'em just tell about 'em. In slavery though.
Interviewer:  They were slaves?
748:  Yeah they were slaves. That's right. {NS} Yeah they were slaves.
Interviewer:  Where in North Carolina?
748:  North Carolina.
Interviewer:  Uh that was your grandfather and grandmother?
748:  #1 Yes sir. #
Interviewer:  #2 Now # your grandparents? On both sides?
748:  On both sides.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Slaves. In North Carolina. {NS}
Interviewer:  Can you {C: Clock chiming in background.} {NW} Can you tell me a little about how you met your wife and? {C: Clock still chiming.}
748:  Tell you what?
Interviewer:  How you met your wife?
748:  Missed my wife?
Interviewer:  How you met her.
748:  You mean I miss my wife?
Interviewer:  Met her. How you met her your her when did you when did you first meet her?
748:  Oh my wife? #1 Oh now. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  Well I first met {NW} met my wife around oh say around my eighteen bout on nineteen hundred and maybe seven or something like that we went to school together that's where I first met her. We went to school together and we grew up here in this settlement together. You see? And got grown both of us got grown and we married {D: in nineteen eighty-seven.} I married about a woman {X} that's why I married her.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And she passed right here in this she we lived here at this place when uh when she passed.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. How old was she?
748:  Why my wife I'll tell you #1 how old. #
Interviewer:  #2 She died # in sixty-one?
748:  Well I'll tell you how old she she'd have been now. If she'd have been living she'd've been six uh she'd have been eighty two years old. And she was about twenty she was about twenty twenty-three when we married.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Was she Baptist?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Did she get any education? In other words could she?
748:  Well she got through the grammar school.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Through grammar school.
Interviewer:  #1 Grammar school? #
748:  #2 {D: Eight out of eight grades.} #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # And she got through grammar.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  That far as she got.
Interviewer:  Were her folks born and raised here? Do you know can you tell me about her folks?
748:  Yeah her her mama and papa were born here. Wait now. Her her mama {X} yeah her mother and father yeah born here. That's right. In Union County.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Were they farmers?
748:  They was farmers that's right.
Interviewer:  Did you know her grandparents?
748:  Yes I knew her grandparents that's right.
Interviewer:  Were they born here?
748:  Well they was born right here in Union County. {NW} Her grandparents on mother's side was old was old {B} and Angeline. {B}
Interviewer:  Really?
748:  And um father's side now let me see Emily wait let me see {B} Emilynn {B} I believe was her name. Emilynn {B} And I forget what her grandfather her normal father's surname.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And they were probably old enough to that they were slaves when they were younger.
748:  Well that's what they were yeah yeah they were slaves.
Interviewer:  Yeah? That's amazing. If you go back a long ways.
748:  That's your life. Yes sir. Yes I've seen a whole lot go and come. It's been eighty-four years since I've been here.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. Remember a lot.
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS} What were the roads like here when you were younger #1 can you remember? #
748:  #2 What's that? #
Interviewer:  The roads?
748:  The road? You mean like that road up? Well that is called a Smack over Road.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
748:  That's what he'd called Smack over. Called that they didn't have numbers like they've got now. There was nothing that's how we set them now. Back there there's Smack over road. You know just back on {D: Elway} and Smack over road let me tell you. {NW} {D: Elway} and Smack over road.
Interviewer:  #1 And its? #
748:  #2 One day # {X}
Interviewer:  It was what? It was?
748:  Well just a day job. day to go. From {D: Elway} {D: to Smackover.} For what I can remember when we didn't have no forty foot deep dumps and things like now I can remember when we folks used to have to give so many days free work on the roads every year a grown man. And uh I've cut pole to put on these wet and boggy places I've cut pole in the woods never cross lay it cross lay I just need to get over. And I've cut 'em and I have hauled 'em {NS} I've I've helped to lay 'em down see? Free labor. So many days. One time I remember one time when I first got doing it about ten days you had to wait then they cut 'em down see? So many of them. Until they finally cut their free load working out you know? That's right. Finally cut it out.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS} The uh you'd say if you if there was a log in the road you'd #1 say? #
748:  #2 Well if there's a # log in the road you'd just have to you gotta saw saw it out and then you gotta {NW} then that was all you'd take a axe and cut it out.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 I've seen people # cut big old logs with axes that high.
Interviewer:  What about a place where um a place where where a water can come across the road uh maybe if there'd been a heavy rainfall and the rain has cut out a channel across a road or a field? You'd call that a?
748:  A ditch?
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh or a you ever seen any place that would be cut out in the woods maybe a deep place?
748:  A gully?
Interviewer:  A gully?
748:  Mm gully.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh what about just a little place in the road would be a?
748:  Well I'd just call that a little drain.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Or a?
748:  There's no place though I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah? A wash?
748:  Wash yeah a wash.
Interviewer:  What's a what's a hollow? You ever heard of a hollow somewhere? #1 Hollow place? #
748:  #2 What? #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # Well uh we just had certain places around that we'd call hollow you know like in the woods or something like that all I know. I know I know trees called hollow trees.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Huh.
748:  So we got some hollow trees around here now.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now um to open a door you use a? A door?
748:  Doorknob.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Have you ever heard of a little rise in a piece of land? Uh called that? A knob?
748:  A lit- in the land?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well we'd call that a a hill.
Interviewer:  A hill? Something something not quite just a little rise in the land anything else you'd call it?
748:  {NW} Well I I don't what I would answer that right #1 now #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  Let me think.
Interviewer:  You said you'd been up in the mountains? Have you ever #1 have you ever seen? #
748:  #2 I've seen # I I went along the road in the mountains.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NW} mr {B} you ever seen a place in the mountains that would a rocky side of a place
748:  Oh my.
Interviewer:  it would drop off sharp?
748:  Yes sir. I said I've seen that going on the road.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  The big mountains my goodness alive.
Interviewer:  You don't know what a you ever heard of a cliff?
748:  Cliff.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Yes I've heard of a cliff.
Interviewer:  Um. Now a place on the Washita maybe where boats stop and freight would be unloaded? That's a?
748:  Well we'd call that we used to call that let me see, manning Manning site or something about that.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Yeah that think right now.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And you told me about you had been up in the mountains and seen places where water would come over.
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  That's a what? That's a?
748:  Well uh I don't know what I wouldn't know what to call them all I know is there's water running.
Interviewer:  Yeah. That's something isn't it? Just to see that.
748:  Bet your eyes.
Interviewer:  What kind of what kind of sight is it?
748:  What kind of what?
Interviewer:  What kind of sight is it?
748:  It's just a wonderful sight to look at is all I know.
Interviewer:  A beau- uh.
748:  Beautiful. Course I'll tell you what um first time I went to California I went on the train. That's the thing and they have trains and {X} #1 {D: no one get on there can walk out.} #
Interviewer:  #2 Wait. # Where'd you catch a train?
748:  Here {D: in LA.}
Interviewer:  At the what?
748:  At I caught the train here the other way I headed for Richmond California. And moving along that train went out on places my own way up out of the way and went and some places you could see and in the summertime now and it surprised me {D: just to see Irish sugar around} {NW} Irish {X} there that was the one person I could see. Its so hot back there when we couldn't see couldn't know how to keep your clothes on. That train running around. And as I've said I've see water just running down and as I've said I've seen ice.
Interviewer:  Beautiful.
748:  Beautiful beautiful beautiful it was nice to look at.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um. Now after the roads were dirt first they were dirt and then they did what they?
748:  Well they first just dirt road then we'd put {D: crossleg.} Then the then the then they grated 'em up.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Grated 'em up grated up you know. You see. And uh then they graveled 'em some of 'em. And with concrete.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And so that's where you've ended. Cause I {D: at least I say while I was riding on} with that road out there wasn't no wasn't no bridge down there there wasn't no bridge or we're on the other side of the railroad.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And there's a dirt road we'd just call that a dirt road leading out there or. {X}
Interviewer:  Now what do they what do they use to make that road out there?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  What do they use to make that road out there?
748:  Use to make it?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well they just use uh haul dirt and then build it up one thing. And then put gravel on top and pack it down put put gravel on top of it.
Interviewer:  And then what did they put on top of that?
748:  Well I'll t- it's concrete {NW} they really did put concrete.
Interviewer:  That's not concrete though that's that black tar uh.
748:  Uh listen concrete's out there in that road now I I'll tell you out here they got over here they got a stuff that's called up here they got it on this new they call uh what they call that stuff?
Interviewer:  Tar?
748:  Yes and out of a tar they call it. What's what is {D: old sand say that} {D: I have sand on the concrete on that over out there.} That out there right there.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Which you go up here now before you get up here to the store you know and it's just what it make it you know all up there about the church. They got it we we all I know you just call it blacktop.
Interviewer:  Blacktop? Asphalt?
748:  Yeah asphalt now now now asphalt now asphalt. Asphalt.
Interviewer:  Um now a little road that would go off from the main road?
748:  Well we'd call it settlement roads. Call them settlement roads lately. You can go to place and place and place settlement road the main road.
Interviewer:  Yeah. When you turn off to go to a man's house? You go to the? Like this here is your what? This is your?
748:  Mm well I don't really know it how far I'm down. {D: Dixon to the road and turn to the right} is all I know.
Interviewer:  And that's my? #1 It's? #
748:  #2 Way to go to that house #
Interviewer:  #1 And that's my? #
748:  #2 {D: boy.} #
Interviewer:  This road here is your what is your?
748:  This this road here {X} this little old {X} here is just my little side road to my to my house.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Side road?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now say you were walking back down to the to the um to the uh back pasture down there what would you use?
748:  Anybody #1 leave that? #
Interviewer:  #2 How would # how would you get back down there?
748:  Well I'll tell you if if I leave here walking now and and uh.
Interviewer:  You go out on the back what?
748:  #1 I'd have to go out on the back. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh. #
748:  Get out of the yard. Cut out across the woods out for cut the field made a field so far. {NS} Get out of the field and the field run out get out into the woods and go all the way there.
Interviewer:  Is there a place you can walk on?
748:  No just walk on the ground that's all.
Interviewer:  Where you had cattle was there a was there a place that they walked that they could get somewhere?
748:  You said cattle?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Now they had trails they'd pat out trails you see. And we'd call 'em cow trails hog trails.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  You see. {NW} To go to s- to go to certain sites that they like to graze on you see.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And uh I've seen trails that even go to folks's houses you know and near may have been I said uh near where you he says well now its a trail its not a road.
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  But he take a wagon on that but his trail is a space you can walk. A trail just beat out. And that's where your cattle you know they go from one loc- place in there. {X} And uh sometime they {D: you let 'em lift} and there's trails everywhere.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh the male in a herd of cattle is called a?
748:  A male of a a a bull?
Interviewer:  Yeah. And the female is a? Does she have a?
748:  A heifer.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did you have one that you milked a?
748:  Yeah oh I had a milk cow.
Interviewer:  Milk cow.
748:  When she find that whenever she'd find calf in other words she had been {NW} bred to a bull.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  After that so many months I did know the months but I don't know it now. Then she'd have that calf that calf would develop in that heifer's body. And I have seen times just before that calf got ready to was born you could see that just see see it see it moving around in that {X} somehow. Same way about a child. A woman got a baby. Have a baby in her. Well uh sometimes people see and feel that baby moving around. Sometimes we see it. Then when that cow gets ready to have that calf she said you go out there somewhere and lay down.
Interviewer:  #1 She goes in the woods? #
748:  #2 {D: Uh complete.} # And when the calf when she have the calf she'd get up and she bit that calf. Lick him off you see. Give him a little bump get up before you get up and get out. {NW}
Interviewer:  She goes to the woods when she's gonna?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  A cow'll go to the woods when she's gonna drop when she's gonna.
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  Drop a calf? #1 Like that? #
748:  #2 That's the truth uh # Yes sir, that's the truth unless they're shut up somewhere. They go to the woods. They would just get better out there. They'd go out in the woods somewhere and drop that calf. Now unless you have 'em shut up. Cause if you have 'em shut up in a pasture or in a in a cow pen or something like that a cow lock something like that they have to have a Can you imagine like {X} Okay. Folks are there and now we a-ain't got a no place for a cow up if they got a cow. Uh that calf just have to have it that cow just have to have their calf right there in my in the yard or the little cow pen things.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now when you didn't wanna uh well now the horses you had did you raise did you have horses?
748:  Well horses well take a horse well a stud horse.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And you have the unspayed say to grow up a c- a colt and that colt's a stud in in other words a male colt. And as long as that colt wasn't cut them nuts wasn't and in other words his seed wasn't took out. And when he grew up you when when the horse got to cutting up that is when you could tell that you come in heat you know. You'd carry that horse to that stud and that horse would cover and uh when she'd have that colt w-when she'd have that colt you know if it's a horse it'd be a horse colt. Alright.
Interviewer:  You breed a stallion #1 to a? #
748:  #2 Now listen. # And now listen if you want a if you want a mule folks have a we call 'em jacks see? Breed that {D: cow} that have a horse to a jack a mare to a jack a new jack. And then when that comes why he's a little be a little mule.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Yep. Did you like to uh ride horses?
748:  I used to I used to like to ride horses. I liked to ride horses then.
Interviewer:  Did you do it much?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You do it much?
748:  I used to ride right smart on a daily basis you know it's a part of my life.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I rode 'em bareback and I rode with saddles on.
Interviewer:  Now. Uh did you ever see them big ol' animals that looked like that looked like a a bull? That they used to pull wagons with?
748:  Uh you talking about the elephant?
Interviewer:  Huh?
748:  You talking about the elephant?
Interviewer:  No. No them big ol' animals they look like bulls. They might they might pull pull uh horses. Some of 'em look like bulls and they might pull a pull a wagon. They have a yoke?
748:  Well uh now we call them oxens now. But uh like when you pull a wagon put the yokes on o- cows.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And uh uh have yokes on them two cows and they'd have one on one side and one on that and and and a chain in there That's what we called 'em oxens then.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  But they'd be cows.
Interviewer:  A yoke or a yoke of two would be called a? Two two hitched together would be a?
748:  Well if it'd be it just a double yoke of oxen.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh two mules hitched together would be a?
748:  Uh
Interviewer:  You'd say you had a?
748:  We'd have a a a team. Hooked together.
Interviewer:  Yeah that'd be a what? A team would be?
748:  Well a team a team of mules or a team of horses or whatever they are hook it to your wagon and go on.
Interviewer:  Um. Now you you talked about the male the bull did you did women ever have another name for it? Did they? Would you would polite would women use a polite name for a male cow? For a bull?
748:  Let me see.
Interviewer:  Or would they say that word?
748:  I'm just wondering about a bull well.
Interviewer:  #1 Did you ever have #
748:  #2 Sometime sometime um # sometime maybe they'd say male just to say uh didn't say a bull just say a male is all I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Did you ever have a a did you ever have one?
748:  I've had {D: no son I never have.} Never raised a bull never had no bull I always took my cows somewhere else or they'll say bulls used to run in the woods.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  With the other cow.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But if it didn't why you had to take your cow to somebody to have a bull have her bred.
Interviewer:  Did did you ever uh you said you liked to break horses did you ever break 'em?
748:  Yes sir I've broke my two in my life. And they tough to break old {X} said they'd jump cut up and push one thing another but just keep on keeping on patting 'em. If they didn't come on down in other words and let 'em know you mean for 'em to do something don't let him a loose. Just let him know you mean for him to pull this and {NW} I've had 'em run backups on him in all sorts of ways.
Interviewer:  Backwards?
748:  {D: Horse and drawn} mule its not gonna j-just {D: run back and make sure the plow} have him on a plow just sometimes he gets run all back up over the side every kind of way sure you know just back up with your {X} don't know if you'd want to call it running or backing up for you.
Interviewer:  And then you'd go?
748:  Well when you when he uh it'd sometime it try to make 'em jump over the plow but when he come now to the point to where you me he he know you he must do what you want him to do he just come on down just warn you just guide him where you want to go.
Interviewer:  He'd go which way?
748:  {D: With the} with lines plow had lines on it.
Interviewer:  You'd say you go forward?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You'd say he'd go backwards and then he'd go?
748:  Well it I mean when you're breaking 'em sometimes some of 'em would would break it by the way.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 Curve all sort of ways on you. # Where stomp on his feet in all sort of ways.
Interviewer:  They'd jump backwards maybe?
748:  That's right jump on he'd run backwards.
Interviewer:  And then r- go real fast?
748:  Run fast in every #1 {D: corner.} #
Interviewer:  #2 Pull? #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  Power the back ups are powered.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  See?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now what kind of animals did you have right here that would bark a lot? Did you have a? #1 Did you? #
748:  #2 Well # dogs.
Interviewer:  Did you have a lot of dogs?
748:  I've had dogs. Dogs'll bark.
Interviewer:  What kind do you know about?
748:  Now what'd you say there?
Interviewer:  What kind of dogs do you know about?
748:  Well we had a we called it bulldog we had a hound. We had and uh and uh we called them rabbit dog. Shepherds. Shepherd dogs.
Interviewer:  What about them w- them them mixed breeds?
748:  I don't know about them.
Interviewer:  You ever see them ol' mixed breed dogs?
748:  I don't know about that.
Interviewer:  You just call them a? Or them little ol' small and yappy dogs?
748:  Well I've seen lot of them and I don't know what to call 'em.
Interviewer:  #1 They're? #
748:  #2 In other words # I've had a feist now a feist would be a little bitty dog. If we counted the feist. Maybe go {D: and roam door} and live and live and live {X} he he never grow to be big that's like we call that a feist.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And what about that do you ever see that kind of dog with a yellow mange in his skin color and some of 'em have glass eyes?
748:  I've seen it but I don't know what to #1 call it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Call 'em a cur or? #
748:  That may be a cur dog that people got.
Interviewer:  What about a Catahoula dog?
748:  I don't know anything about that.
Interviewer:  You never heard of that Catahoula hound?
748:  Never cause I I see a lot of dogs and see a lot of different dogs around town but I don't know what what you call 'em.
Interviewer:  Did you ever have a mean dog?
748:  Mean dog? Sure. {D: And he moves here and says} uh he'd bite. And scratch you now now I would have him with me if anybody come up out there. It it'd sure bite 'em unless you less you fought him off. Then I've had I've had dogs that if he if he's run out there to something uh come back here. And he stopped. Trained dog to do that. Then if I wanted to get up. {NW} {NW} Catch 'em catch 'em catch 'em {NW} {D: it's usually something we forgot.} But when you want him to come out get that come back here come back here come back.
Interviewer:  Have you ever gotten dog have you ever had a dog come after you?
748:  Sure I've had I know I had. {X} That dog tell you what I had a dog once I was going on the road uh and some folks there right side the road well they had a biting dog there. And that dog would run out and he'd come out at me and I went to him. I went to run I didn't have enough to bite him yet I was running and I fell down. And that dog hadn't when he he straddled me. That's what he done he'd run here's what he done. He just he twist his mouth on my arm just that bare {D: wrist.} And I got that dog a-loose you see I run my finger in and thumb in that h- dog's mouth and just clenched his tongue so hard against his You know down sharp. That's where it got. {X} {NS} There other folks you see who happened to see it you know and they come out hollered at him come back here.
Interviewer:  But he?
748:  But he got I fell down and then he run he overtook me when I fell down.
Interviewer:  And you got he bit?
748:  He he bit me.
Interviewer:  You got?
748:  I've seen a man I've seen a man walk on me me and a man was walking on the road my brother-in-law we ran across him. And he said he's up here. {X} But I did the dog {D: corner round} I'm not watching him this is what he's gonna do. {NW} {D: he had gone along} The man had a had {NW} that dog's run up and on him. Tore a big hole in his pants.
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  That's the truth.
Interviewer:  {NW} That taught him didn't it? {NW} #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 That taught #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 I've seen that. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
748:  #2 {D: I've got} #
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  {X} And he and that man were going round by no man's house by the name of. {B}
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  He got a bad biting dog. Yeah that dog if he just come and god bless he'd come out them well I just kept walking the dog. {X} #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  #1 But he wanted to he oh oh he was I was gonna go #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  and that dog {NW} god bless your soul that's tore a hole in his pants.
Interviewer:  He got dog?
748:  Got dog bit.
Interviewer:  Dog bit?
748:  {NW} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Did did you have # to go to the doctor after you got?
748:  I mean he no he didn't he didn't get bit bad enough for that. Biggest thing that dog jump in was a tore tore a big hole in his pants.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now maybe when you were walking along a gravel road you if your dog came at you you would? #1 You did what? #
748:  #2 That would get # I'd get a get a gravel and throw it at him.
Interviewer:  You'd pick up a?
748:  S- A rock.
Interviewer:  And?
748:  Chunk it.
Interviewer:  Chunk at it?
748:  Or a stick. Try and get a hold of a stick or anything.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Hmm. If a dog he might be coming straight? You'd say he wasn't going away from you he was coming straight?
748:  Straight to you?
Interviewer:  Toward-?
748:  Towards you?
Interviewer:  Is that your word?
748:  I'll straight at him?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Are you really?
Interviewer:  Boy that's a that's a scary feeling.
748:  Well yeah. Going straight after him going say and said he don't he he don't if you don't stop him some way or another or somebody don't stop him.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  He'll get you cause and as I said a while ago {D: dogs of good mind and} {D: honor} See going and run and they'll say come back here he'll stop.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Didn't have to stop him yourself basically if he cut out running.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now talking about a horse if you couldn't stay on you'd say I fell?
748:  Well I just said well my horse throwed me. That's what he {X} next he throwed me.
Interviewer:  Yeah or I fell?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I I did what I fell?
748:  Well I I yeah you'd say I fell but I'd just say my my horse throwed me that's all I'm gonna say all everybody is gonna say.
Interviewer:  Yeah but when you were young have you ever fell?
748:  Fell off my horse?
Interviewer:  Huh?
748:  Fell from a horse?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Sure I have.
Interviewer:  Fell off?
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  You'd say you fell what? Fell off?
748:  Fell off the horse that's right.
Interviewer:  Um.
748:  But of course if you throwed me off you I didn't just ride {X} pull off before you got some cutting up or something like that. {NW}
Interviewer:  Now uh {C: Clock begins chiming and keeps chiming until 21m01s} say a little child went to sleep and uh in bed and he woke up and found himself on the floor in the morning what would he say he'd say I must've?
748:  Well well fell out of the bed.
Interviewer:  Fell out of the bed right. I noticed you had a out there on your front porch as you come up the come up the steps you had?
748:  A horseshoe?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What was that for?
748:  Well I just an old saying I've heard folks say that is good luck.
Interviewer:  What?
748:  A horseshoe. Uh good luck. Now that's all that I know about. You know the uh one person uh once told me I meant to try to keep the {D: hoodoos off.} But I never thought about that I just heard it was good luck.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  You see. Good luck good luck.
Interviewer:  Did you ever play that game? You'd you'd play that game you stick a {D: starbuck} in the ground and you'd?
748:  Well sure throw a horseshoe at it you know and and that horseshoe you throw it around that horseshoe hook around it that way why you'd there'd be a reason they would sometimes fall.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You'd call that game?
748:  Mm the horseshoe game is all I know.
Interviewer:  Horseshoes?
748:  Mm that's the only way I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did you ever have to nail them in?
748:  Did you ever what?
Interviewer:  You'd put them in the what?
748:  Put 'em in what?
Interviewer:  You'd nail 'em in the horse's?
748:  Oh yeah put 'em uh put a horse shoe on it put his shoes on it shoe a horse. Shoe your horse.
Interviewer:  You'd put one on all four of his?
748:  Yeah put one on all four of his. Shoe your horse.
Interviewer:  Yeah nail 'em in the what?
748:  Nail 'em into the hoof.
Interviewer:  Yeah. A horse has four?
748:  He got four legs.
Interviewer:  Four?
748:  He needs four feet you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah but you gotta put
748:  You got to put you got to put that
Interviewer:  Four
748:  What's that? Them?
Interviewer:  Four horseshoes?
748:  On that horse you know. And nail 'em on there and that nail fits into the hoof that's what holds it on there.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 {D: A hoof where that holds.} #
Interviewer:  Yeah. You gotta put shoes on all four?
748:  All four feet.
Interviewer:  Four hoo-?
748:  Four hooves if you want to call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now you told me you used to raise sheep?
748:  {D: Says what?}
Interviewer:  Or you didn't raise sheep?
748:  No yeah.
Interviewer:  But the male sheep is called a? You ever remember what they call them?
748:  Well um I'm just thinking what do they call a male sheep now? Maybe call it I just don't I don't know
Interviewer:  #1 You know what the female's called? #
748:  #2 what. # It's just female and male is all I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah? The yo or the buck?
748:  And I haven't.
Interviewer:  Ewe?
748:  Oh a a male and the female billy goat {D: be and the male.}
Interviewer:  A what? Billy?
748:  A billy goat I said is just a male and a female you know.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. Uh now the the tal- tell me about your hogs.
748:  My what?
Interviewer:  Your hogs.
748:  Hogs?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well hogs I've raised 'em. Only ways I ever raised 'em I'd say in the woods. And uh they'd raised fine raised off out in the woods and they'd come up.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Every so often and I'd go out and feed 'em and let 'em know this is home. {D: That'll teach 'em to come home.} Well if I want my hogs to come up and uh I couldn't uh if I didn't see 'em out there I'd be going {D: whoo whoo pig. Whoo pig.} See? Here he come. Like I'm gonna call my cow {D: soo-cow soo-cow.}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  All about meaning see?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  He'll see come on now.
Interviewer:  How would you call sheep up?
748:  Well I never I never did sheep I told you I never raised no #1 sheep. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  I never raised no goats neither.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now a hog that's been that's been uh if you didn't want a hog to grow up to be a?
748:  Boar hog?
Interviewer:  Yeah. You did what?
748:  You'd castrate him.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah you'd say #1 you you uh? #
748:  #2 And then that sow # if you didn't want her if you don't didn't want to have pigs spay her. See?
Interviewer:  Yeah one of the the one that uh the one that was spayed was a what?
748:  Well the spayed you just have all I know is just spayed with a knife. Just cut a hole and and take them little things out and throw 'em away.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Cut a hole That'd spay it. Cut a hole in her spayed it. That's a that's a a sow.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now what about a? #1 li-? #
748:  #2 A bull # now a bull you see you'd cut his seeds out.
Interviewer:  Yeah and then he'd be a what?
748:  He'd be a he he you'd cut him into well all I know is just he called 'em boar or one of a bar yeah. Mm yeah.
Interviewer:  Um. ms B-T what what about them little ones that you said once they were they were a little bigger than pigs you'd call 'em a?
748:  Well um {D: shoats}
Interviewer:  Male?
748:  Yeah shoat. Male shoats are male.
Interviewer:  What about a female?
748:  Well just {D: same thing about them.} #1 Get a male hog #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah? #
748:  or a male um um a male hog or a.
Interviewer:  What was a gilt?
748:  Well a gilt a gilt might say was an unspayed uh sow pig or something a hog.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Sow.
Interviewer:  Um. Now what do they have on their back?
748:  Hog their hair? They have their hair on their backs you know of course and uh and of course you know hog have a I call it {X} they call it going right up and down their back. And you've you've seen hogs make make 'em stand up and then they bring 'em down.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Um you you ever seen them wild hogs? The ones that come up wild?
748:  Well. #1 they won't no I never seen a wild #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  only only raised right in the woods and there there was uh I've come {X} because um he just go up in the woods and uh but since they were hogs you know and you of course I'd wait for the man who once had 'em all he'd go in the woods and catch up them wild hogs with their pigs and spay 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  You see? Catch them little male pigs up and cut 'em you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And if the time comes and that they just stay in the woods until the time comes to you'd say hog killing time we called it. I've seen 'em get beat and fettered along the way {D: no you know} of uh acorns you know you'd have all sort of acorns and all sorts of stuff like that {X} they're gonna have it now. And I said I've seen 'em come up by the butcher {X} my goodness alive. And uh.
Interviewer:  You called 'em?
748:  Well you just its a mill kill 'em in a mill. Kill 'em yeah. And uh you'd kill 'em while you got the hair of of 'em scald 'em. A big pot of water. Pour it in a barrel or something. Stick him in there. Pull the hair off of him. Hang him up cut his guts out. See?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And then when you cut his guts out and then after that you hang him up and then he and I mean pour water in him wash him out. Let him hang there a little while. You go to take him down then you cut him up.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  What would you do with the meat from the? Well. Um. Now a a hog that's grown up wild would you have any names for them?
748:  Oh um that would that be just wild hog is all I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And uh then they had them big ol''?
748:  We call eyeteeth. Tusks its tusks teeth. {D: I think that's what it's called.}
Interviewer:  Eyeteeth?
748:  Yeah eyeteeth. But I've seen in that's what that's what their That's what their tail would be. {X} Rip the guts out there you know?
Interviewer:  Teach it with one of the?
748:  People. About uh {X} {D: before silo} a grown row got a few see you got teeth sticking out and that's the way you fight them. Fight anything {X} a hog or anything you just they {D: yup yup.} {NW}
Interviewer:  Out of one of them razorbacks?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now when you got a hog manned his his hair would do what it would?
748:  Well when you he he bristles. He raise his mane he raise his bristles up.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You ever have one come after you?
748:  Sure sure. Uh. In in the wilder we just find them wild over there but on them wood ways out they sometimes they do that they watch.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Watch.
748:  Same same thing about you have a dog you have a dog you gotta train him uh uh {D: bait 'em with} {D: bait them hogs.} You see them running around they had their bristles up you know? {NW} {D: Damn true.} I seen a dog run yeah I seen a hog run at the dog once the man had that's a fine hunting dog there. That on this side isn't it? You just stay on that dog's side.
Interviewer:  Um. Now when you when you separate the uh calf from uh from its mother it would go to do a you'd say the calf would begin to? Start doing what? Start the?
748:  Well uh {D: do we} have we got a big enough you mean when they when they when they would {X} the calf?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh well when you were weaning a calf #1 you'd start? #
748:  #2 Oh oh now yeah. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # When you wean the calf the old saying say you keep the calf {NW} you keep that calf away from that cow separate from the cow.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And don't let that cow and calf get together.
Interviewer:  And he starts?
748:  And and then that cow it'll go dry cause the calf just keeps growing now.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Until he and he have uh Finally you keep weaning off of the cow until they get real big things sometimes they never try to suck that cow no more and I've seen great big ol' uh yep yeah there's something like that.
Interviewer:  Now uh the noise a cow makes you'd say he'd start to?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  He'd start what? He'd start to?
748:  You mean for? {X}
Interviewer:  What he'd start making when you weaned him.
748:  Well u-uh.
Interviewer:  He'd start {NW} he'd start #1 what doing what? #
748:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  {NW} Say he began to
748:  Well if you you you you wanna wean 'em {D: and caught in a} {X} in a later haul on till they got quiet. Yeah. {NW}
Interviewer:  Start to do-doing #1 what would you? #
748:  #2 Calf. #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Belt?} #
748:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah.
Interviewer:  Start bellowing?
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Bleating?
748:  Bleating yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh now when you have your you know uh a gentle noise a horse would make when you fed him. You'd say the horse began to? {NW}
748:  Well. {NW}
Interviewer:  Start what?
748:  Another word that be the thing I know when I have a horse I want something to eat and he see you coming as you comes across he look down at the crib {X} and he just hungry he goes. {NW} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 It begin # they begin to what?
748:  Well he he nicker at me here he wants you to come bring him bring him something to eat.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now a cow when you start feeding they'll begin to?
748:  That cow. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Same? #
748:  #2 Out on the lawn you know # she gets hungry or gets uh sometimes she goes to her calf sometimes he's hungry for water or something like that. She goes. {NW}
Interviewer:  Now the gentle noise it would make when you were feeding him he'd begin to {NW} Do say mooing?
748:  Well it was feeding of course um.
Interviewer:  You know late in the evening the might be late in the evening and you'd be over at your n- over at at your neighbor's here and you'd come in and you'd say uh well goodness uh you'd hear all the horses and the mules and the cows and so forth start clamoring and you'd say ah it's getting right on I'd better go I didn't realize it was so late its its getting about?
748:  Feeding time that stuff.
Interviewer:  Feeding time.
748:  Yeah feeding time.
Interviewer:  I gotta go feed the?
748:  Yeah I got to go feed my stock. #1 I said #
Interviewer:  #2 Wh- #
748:  stock I feed my cow, horse, or whatever it is.
Interviewer:  Okay what if you had a lot of hens, turkeys, #1 geese, and so forth? #
748:  #2 Well that would # um
Interviewer:  #1 You got? #
748:  #2 Well people go to # {X} 'em.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 And um #
Interviewer:  you gotta go feed the?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now where do you keep your chickens?
748:  Chickens well we have uh we made the little houses.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 Give 'em ways # you know some of 'em just lived in this old kind of a black shack you know just go and you could why you could shut 'em up in there. Couldn't get out. We called it a chicken house.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  We had different ways of making cause we'd make they'd have make roosting poles put roosting place and so they'd get on something to roost on.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Hey do you got maybe just a little place where chickens can run in and out of the range?
748:  #1 Well now #
Interviewer:  #2 The chicks? #
748:  Chicks that's right.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Chicken chicken coop.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now a hen on a nest of eggs is a? Is called a?
748:  Setting hen?
Interviewer:  Setting hen. Um now uh how do you call your cows when you get them in into the field? Or your calves?
748:  How you call 'em? Well they would call all the calves by soo-calf soo-calf soo-calf if he wants a calf.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And I'm working on a cow {D: sook sook sook.}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  See?
Interviewer:  Um did you have a way you would you would talk to your mules or your horses when you were plowing?
748:  Well gee haw and those horses {NW} one would go to the right hard haw. One of them would go to the le- uh left. Left haw uh left say haw and if you wanna go to the right gee.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  You see. And you get a horse trained and you do that {X} you sat down he knows it. Haw. Gee. Get up there! Wanted to go go whoa when to stop.
Interviewer:  What did you say when you when you get on got on a horse and you first wanted to take off?
748:  Get up there I said.
Interviewer:  {NW} You do that?
748:  Well sometimes yeah.
Interviewer:  How would you call him in from the field?
748:  In the field?
Interviewer:  From the field? Say he was out in the field would you call him in?
748:  Well I don't I don't know call a horse I don't know if I'd call in a horse. {NW}
Interviewer:  You'd say co or something like that? #1 Or you'd? #
748:  #2 Yeah that's right. # {X} {D: Coop coop.}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. How would you call your pigs when you're feeding 'em?
748:  Piggy piggy piggy.
Interviewer:  Okay. And your chickens when you were feeding them you'd say?
748:  Chick chick chick.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now um if you wanted to get the horses ready to go somewhere you'd say you were? You were doing what you were?
748:  Well I'm catching my uh and harnessing up my horse. Harnessing up my wagon.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And my. {NW}
Interviewer:  In your wagon you hold on to the?
748:  Line. Get 'em in the line.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay and so? #
748:  #2 Line that # line like that's the guy that pull that horse whichever way you wanted to carry your wagon.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh now say you had four horses to a wagon the ones in the front are the?
748:  {X} Well they're leading the wagon is all I know. Uh.
Interviewer:  And then the ones in the back are the?
748:  In the back yeah. You have four on the wagon.
Interviewer:  If you have two horses the one on the left #1 is called #
748:  #2 If its just just two horse wagon # why one on the right and one on the left you see. And have 'em hooked up in singletree double singletree. One big singletree right there go across that town and another one put them hangings were supposed to hang on that horse.
Interviewer:  Yeah. When you're riding a horse horseback what do you put your feet in it?
748:  Stirrups.
Interviewer:  And you hold onto the?
748:  Hold on the bridle.
Interviewer:  The bridle? What?
748:  Bridle {X} and the bridle's on the bits you see in their mouth.
Interviewer:  Yeah do you have something that comes back from the bridle to hold on to?
748:  Well #1 uh. #
Interviewer:  #2 The rein? # The lines or the?
748:  Well nothing just just a just a line just uh.
Interviewer:  Bridle?
748:  Bridle's all I know.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay.
748:  Whether you whether you're riding bareback or or you have a saddle on but I rode 'em both ways.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Rode 'em without a saddle and I rode 'em with a saddle on. Without a saddle of course you'd get up on that horse and uh and uh check if {X} {NW} come {X} {NW} sounds like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um now something if something wasn't real near a can you'd say its just a little? Just a little? What little what over?
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  Like uh you might say uh?
748:  A left door?
Interviewer:  No. Talking about El Dorado's not far from here it's just a? It ain't far from here it's just a what? Just a?
748:  Oh just a little distant I'd say a little distant.
Interviewer:  Just a small just a little little piece uh? It ain't a? Now if you've been traveling and you hadn't finished your journey you might say you had to go before dark you had to go uh? You've still got a what to go?
748:  Well I uh well I had to go have a if I was gonna say that I'd say well I'm gonna have to go so I can get home before it gets dark. It's all I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Gotta leave here early.
Interviewer:  Its still a? Say you've been traveling all day you might say uh we still got a? A what to go? Still got a?
748:  Well been traveling all day why {X} just say well uh well one day it one day it out day it just out. #1 {D: And got me memorial.} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah. You got to say you got to get to Little Rock and you might've just barely made it to Pine Bluff and you're gonna say we got before dark we got to go a? We got a what to go we got a? A fur?
748:  Transfer?
Interviewer:  A fur piece or?
748:  Yeah. Well I know I got to go further up
Interviewer:  A long ways?
748:  A long ways you have to get to Little Rock.
Interviewer:  Okay. You might say we still got a?
748:  Yeah. Still well a good dist- further still got some so much further to go maybe we got a mile or two to go. Uh two miles or whatever it is. Maybe a quarter of a mile sometimes.
Interviewer:  Yeah? When you were riding in your wagon say you were going up to Norphlet uh or when you were traveling through another town so then you'd pass somebody on the road and you'd ask 'em? What?
748:  Well if I passed somebody on the road.
Interviewer:  How?
748:  I just uh in other words I just turn just get on one side of the road and they're on the other and if I want to say anything as I pass them you'd say hello how you are? {NW}
Interviewer:  Huh?
748:  Just say hello how you doing? H-how you going or something like that if I wanna speak to 'em.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 {NW} # If we're just passing 'em and if we pass 'em I said after one stop I said wait a minute.
Interviewer:  If it was a friend what would you ask them then?
748:  Maybe I'd say pull in and I'll talk to you or something like that.
Interviewer:  You might see a friend in your wag- in your wagon as you're going by you'd say
748:  Hey friend hello there!
Interviewer:  What would you ask him?
748:  {NS} How're you feeling? {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
748:  #2 {NW} # Like that.
Interviewer:  How are you doing?
748:  Yeah yeah.
Interviewer:  How are you?
748:  Yeah that's right. Good morning what how are you feeling how are you doing? {X}
Interviewer:  Anything else? How are you?
748:  Yeah that's what we say that we use that word sometimes if we can.
Interviewer:  What?
748:  They'll say I well I repeat 'em and all through the day. {NS} Uh how was last night or something like that.
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  I repeat at night.
Interviewer:  How're you doing?
748:  How're you doing now?
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. Um now uh if something's very common and you didn't have to look around for it you'd say you can find that just about?
748:  Go anywhere out there. Climb out there anywhere you can find it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Like uh you can see a pine tree just about? Around here just about? Any? Where?
748:  What'd you say?
Interviewer:  You can find a pine tree just about?
748:  Oh you'll find pines around here you can find pine trees around here most anywhere is what I'd say.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now a chi- a crying child might say uh he was eating candy and he didn't give me? You know?
748:  I I want some more or something like that.
Interviewer:  He didn't give me?
748:  Didn't give me enough or I want gimme some more.
Interviewer:  #1 Any? #
748:  #2 Gimme a piece of that candy gimme some more. #
Interviewer:  He ate all the candy and he didn't give me?
748:  Well if he.
Interviewer:  Didn't give me what of it #1 didn't give me? #
748:  #2 {D: That don't} # {D: sense if you} {X} yeah I've got something give me another.
Interviewer:  You can gimme another one.
748:  {NW} That's all. {NW}
Interviewer:  Were you the oldest or the youngest uh?
748:  I
Interviewer:  Were you the oldest son or the youngest or?
748:  I don't.
Interviewer:  Of the children what were you?
748:  Oh I wasn't the no I wasn't the oldest I would I'd I'd say I was about the middle son. Middle middle middle m-middle. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Do you have a lot of people beating on you whooping on you all the time?
748:  I thought I yeah yeah yeah that's right.
Interviewer:  Huh? Who's that coming up there that?
748:  That my my son's he's going to work out there in my garden. Just in the garden.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um.
748:  My grandson.
Interviewer:  Your grandson?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Now uh the uh when you when you killed a chicken um did you did you have that piece that kids would like to to eat um? That they'd break it in two
748:  #1 like this? #
Interviewer:  #2 Well that's called a #
748:  called a um let me see me now. It ain't the collarbone I don't know what it's called. Oh sh- I forget what they call it I like that piece of chicken myself.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  It's quick piece of chicken on break them #1 down. #
Interviewer:  #2 They used to # try to pull it apart didn't they?
748:  That's right I can't think right now what to call it.
Interviewer:  Call it the pulley bone?
748:  Yeah my. {X}
Interviewer:  Wishbone?
748:  Yeah now that's wishbone.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And uh did you do you remember any story about that that bone? Did the?
748:  Well I have well I can't think of it now I have seen little pieces about all that #1 yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 When they broke # that bone was there a story about it? Did somebody get?
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  Who got the bigger end? What would happen to them?
748:  Oh I'd go oh he got the best part of it. {NW} #1 That's the thing that they wanted. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Uh do you ever eat the inside parts of the chicken?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  The inside parts of the chicken #1 what do you call them? #
748:  #2 That that # well the gizzard.
Interviewer:  And the and?
748:  The heart the kidneys.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Or the inside parts of a calf or a pig you might eat?
748:  Well in a cow you eat his entrails and you call 'em the maw. And uh.
Interviewer:  The what?
748:  Uh the maw. That that's that's a big part about that he gets the food in first.
Interviewer:  The maw?
748:  The maw. Then if he's going back to another thing we call that chitterling yup what we call a chitterling. And uh and then there's some part of them guts we gotta eat 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  You ever eat haslets? What are haslets?
748:  Haslets?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Hash made out of chicken liver uh any kind of liver.
Interviewer:  How would you make it?
748:  Well just cut it up take your take your liver we'll make a liver {D: uh like a bit of a} hash. Just cut the both of 'em up together.
Interviewer:  The lights and the?
748:  And the and the and the liver the yellow and
Interviewer:  #1 Different lights? #
748:  #2 {X} # and then cook 'em both together.
Interviewer:  And you have 'em what liver and lights?
748:  Hash.
Interviewer:  What do you cook uh what do you cut up?
748:  That really light hash
Interviewer:  Yeah I see. Uh okay. Um. Now uh what's made of flour baked in loaves?
748:  Well biscuits and white bread cake.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I finally got that for me.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Did you ever uh when its made to rise?
748:  Well um.
Interviewer:  That flour baked in loaves. Wheat flour baked in loaves.
748:  Bake bread well If you have to put um.
Interviewer:  You'd call it?
748:  Well we'd just call it light bread is all I know right now can think of right now.
Interviewer:  Yeah. There's a difference between that bread you bought at at the store. And that's called? The kind you bought at home made at home the kind you bought in the store is called?
748:  Well we call I'd I'd just call it a name name what made it {X} I'd just call it some white bread or or some rolls.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
748:  Or something like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And at home I'd call it biscuits.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I'd call it uh hotcakes. Or whatever you want to call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um hotcakes or would you ever make anything else out of what would bread be made to rise with?
748:  Soda and baking powder soda baking powder.
Interviewer:  Okay. Anything else?
748:  Now them the only things I #1 know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Do you have that stuff that came in packets? # Yea- Uh.
748:  Oh yeast? Or some folks use yeast I never used yeast.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um. Any other kind of bread that's made of flour? That you know of? Uh.
748:  Well I just can't think of it.
Interviewer:  Would you wipe it and make it rise with salt?
748:  Make it rise with salt?
Interviewer:  Yeah make it.
748:  #1 I don't know #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
748:  of cooking. #1 Cooking. #
Interviewer:  #2 Would would your wife ever just # take up a biscuit dough sometimes and put it in a pan and cook it like that? And make it? {NW}
748:  Uh we'd call that a hoecake or a pattycake or something like that.
Interviewer:  Hoecake? Okay. Alright. Now you mentioned to me about ash cakes the thing you would pat up and put in the fire. What about the other kinds of things you would make with cornmeal?
748:  Well you'd make the ash cakes out of cornmeal and I've made I've seen cornmeal dumplings.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Um I'm gonna say just have you something boiling and make you some little dumplings up and #1 pour it in there. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Boy I bet that was good.
748:  And uh some can seem like you boil like chicken or something like chicken dumplings or I mean uh meal dumplings.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And uh you'd make a.
Interviewer:  Yowza yowza.
748:  I don't can't think of nothing else right now.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did you ever do you ever seen them things you eat with fish sometimes? Them little ol' things they'd fry 'em some?
748:  I forget I've I've eat 'em but I forget just what they call 'em. But they're good.
Interviewer:  They might put onions in
748:  #1 Yeah
 they #
Interviewer:  #2 or green pepper. #
748:  they good yeah but I can't call up the meaning of that now. Can't think of it.
Interviewer:  Hush?
748:  I can't think of the name of it right now.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You ever heard of hush hush pup-
748:  Yeah yeah hush puppy now now that's it right there.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And what about the uh what about them things that uh maybe you'd uh you'd make before the fire? Sometimes your mother would cook 'em in front of the fire? {C: Clock begins chiming and keeps going until 48m21s} {NS}
748:  {NW} make put before the fire?
Interviewer:  Yeah on a board or something like that? She might clear out a place in the fireplace and she'd cook she'd pour this down on a board or something in the fire?
748:  Well it pull out the ashes you know is all I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Rake the ashes apart.
Interviewer:  She ever cook it on a board?
748:  I never cooked nothing not not on a fire not down thataway on a board.
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  I just put them ashes rake putting more ashes on if I I put uh fire over. Thing just like I tell you the other day about that about that lid to put on that big skillet
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  and bake things with.
Interviewer:  Would you ever have anything that was just made with cornmeal salt and water?
748:  Well just maybe the here's what I know. we call it our hot water bread now. {D: There ain't none of that for years.}
Interviewer:  Hot water bread?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Hot water bread and I like hot water bread no vegetables.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And uh.
748:  I can dig it up now just no grease in the fryer cook in that fryer. {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah? And what about uh what about the kind that uh maybe uh when you you're baking a large cake maybe it was about an inch roun- in a in a skillet or something like that and you'd say you made up a what?
748:  Well I just made a if I'm done working the cake I'd say a pound cake.
Interviewer:  No if it was made out of cornmeal.
748:  Well if it was made out of cornmeal I'd just.
Interviewer:  Say you made a corn?
748:  Just a just basic basic bread's all I know
Interviewer:  Yeah. What was a pone?
748:  A what? A pone?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well a pone was bread you know made up in uh in in in little pieces to cook. When you cooked them eggs away it cooked to death.
Interviewer:  #1 In a skillet fried? #
748:  #2 Cook it on the stove. #
Interviewer:  Uh oh uh you mean it was a corn pone was a?
748:  Yeah something like that.
Interviewer:  Just a little kind of?
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  One piece? It wasn't a big one?
748:  Yeah one piece
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  Make it big or little if you want to make it. Whichever way you want to cook it you want to make a big pone of bread you make a big pone you wanna make a little one make a little one.
Interviewer:  In a skillet?
748:  Yeah. You see make it in the skillet then.
Interviewer:  I see. Yes sir. Uh what about what was a what was a uh something that was cooked in a big skillet maybe thick you know thick if you think of cornbread? You ever had a Johnnycake?
748:  Yeah we had them then.
Interviewer:  What was that?
748:  You mean a cake joint cake?
Interviewer:  Johnnycake.
748:  I don't know if that's a Johnnycake I can call it {D: beyond that} I can't remember nothing to be called that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now something you might drop in your uh would you ever put any of the hog parts of the hog in with the in with you know with the bread when you were cooking it?
748:  Well I'll tell you about I wanted to put bread I put #1 and he poured it over #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
748:  bread be put like a crackling be crackling bread.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And that's all all all I know to cook it. {X}
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  Crackling bread. #1 That that that #
Interviewer:  #2 Now. #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  be a crackling bread yeah.
Interviewer:  Now would you ever cook maybe corn meal in a deep pan and it would come out real soft and you'd you'd spoon it out on your plate? Put it out on your plate? Dish it out like mashed #1 potatoes? #
748:  #2 Well um. # I have seen somebody would call it kush.
Interviewer:  kush?
748:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  Yeah I was on #1 yeah that I've eaten that I've made that. #
Interviewer:  #2 kush? #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Yeah? You ever heard of spoonbread?
748:  No I don't think I have.
Interviewer:  Okay. But kush you you like to eat that?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now other things you made with cornmeal that sort of thing you can tell me about?
748:  That I can't remember right now. Soups. Dumplings.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Anything like that. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh would you would you ever make these things that were round and they had a big hole in the middle of 'em?
748:  Uh.
Interviewer:  Fried 'em? Maybe in deep fat? It had a big #1 it had a? #
748:  #2 {D: Patty cake.} # I mean a tea cake.
Interviewer:  Tea cakes? Okay they were they fried? Tell me about them.
748:  Oh no they.
Interviewer:  And uh what about the ones that were round and had a hole in 'em? A?
748:  Oh well I forget now.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I don't know about that.
Interviewer:  Dough-? Dough-?
748:  Doughnuts.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Would you ever take a hump of a lump of donut dough and put it and just dump it in the fat?
748:  No I never have.
Interviewer:  When you were frying it?
748:  No.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or something any other kind of sweet things that you might your mother might make up might have three strips across it things like that? Uh. You mentioned tea cakes #1 any other sweet things she might cook up? #
748:  #2 {X} # Can only think about cooking sweets thing like that uh make uh uh pie crust.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Things like that.
Interviewer:  What uh what about a a something that would be cooked in a deep dish and might have fruit in it and had a layer on the top a crust on the top but not one on the bottom? You'd that would be called a pie or a?
748:  Well that would be called be called a pie.
Interviewer:  Anything else a co- a? Apple?
748:  Yeah o-or #1 an apple pie #
Interviewer:  #2 You might #
748:  peach pie or chicken pie any kind of pie you wanna call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Cause I haven't had chicken pie it good chicken pie there.
Interviewer:  I bet that is good. Um now the uh the two parts of the egg are the what?
748:  Well the white and yellow?
Interviewer:  Okay. How do you like your eggs prepared?
748:  Well I like 'em fried. More or less. We just like 'em fried.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Scrambled.
Interviewer:  Yeah? When you um when you cook 'em in in hot water you'd say they're?
748:  That's a boiled egg. You just put a boiled egg shell and all and then when you get them done {D: put together a little meal.}
Interviewer:  Two two of 'em would be two?
748:  Yeah one one white and one white. {D: Very good.}
Interviewer:  Two boiled?
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Two boiled? Egg?
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Um. If you crack 'em and let 'em fall out of their shells into the water you ever do that?
748:  Well I've done that but uh that's when I wanna
Interviewer:  #1 P- #
748:  #2 uh # crack 'em through there that's when I wanted to stir them up in something but they also gonna want to uh cook it slowly.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Did you ever did you ever boil 'em?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  And uh boil water and then just crack the eggs and let 'em drop in the water and cook 'em like that? Out of their shells?
748:  Mm no I never done that.
Interviewer:  Poached? You ever hear of a {D: porched} egg?
748:  No.
Interviewer:  Now when you're making up some greens or cooking some beans what do you add to it maybe to make it taste better?
748:  Well I add the first thing I add first thing I'll put some meat in there.
Interviewer:  You said what?
748:  Meat. Sau- uh bacon or uh dried source of meat in there uh a little lard in there. {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And uh a little sauce in there and uh something like boiled or put even add a little pepper in some things boy.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Would it have some lean on it or would it be?
748:  I mean that meat sometimes fat or lean sometimes both. #1 I like 'em #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah? #
748:  both boiled in greens and beans.
Interviewer:  It'd be just a what a?
748:  Be be be be cooked you know veggies sometimes.
Interviewer:  You'd just put a what in in with 'em? Piece of?
748:  Well as I said I just put a just cook that. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 That? #
748:  #2 Put it on just # cut you a little piece of meat.
Interviewer:  Where'd that meat come from that was just a piece of?
748:  Well that was hog meat. You know I just cut a piece of that hog meat. #1 Just. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah but # where on the hog it was just an old piece of?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  It was just a old piece of what? Maybe sowbelly or?
748:  Well that's right yeah. Sowbelly and for fish if I wanted to just wrap it I'd just want just sowbelly for it.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 Just cut the # the pieces out and put it in there too.
Interviewer:  If you wanted lean you'd put in?
748:  Cut a little piece of the ham or shoulder or something a little like that.
Interviewer:  {NW} The meat between the ham and the shoulder was the? Well when you kill the hog tell me about how you cut him up the meat between the ham and the #1 shoulders? #
748:  #2 Well the first # thing I do kill a hog {NW} hang him up wash him out take him down and uh get him open and cut there cut down his backbone on both side #1 cut them ribs #
Interviewer:  #2 What? #
748:  cut them ribs you see?
Interviewer:  What'd you cut him with?
748:  With a hatchet or something have to cut him with an axe a hatchet or something like that well or or that's all all ever I used.
Interviewer:  And you killed it what'd you stick him with?
748:  Well stick it with a butcher knife stick him right in there you see.
Interviewer:  Yeah okay.
748:  Stick him right in there you see.
Interviewer:  In the what? In the?
748:  In the heart. Come on that's where you want to hit it right in there. Hit it right and if it hits the if you hit it just right then blood will come out of the wound if you don't hit it right it won't come.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Got to hit it just right. Know just where to stick it. And uh #1 as I said #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  take him d- down cut him up uh hack that down that back bone width hack it down that backbone all the way and lay it out there then take it out and cut that. Then take them ribs you cut them out of there you know. #1 Yeah? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
748:  and then then separate uh cut that ham cut take the ham and then take the ham part of it cut the cut the bit that's on there cut that away. Say that's the shoulder part and that's the ham. And uh and this is a middling you see we call 'em we just call 'em middlings #1 that's what we call 'em. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  And uh #1 and every time #
Interviewer:  #2 Now. #
748:  You have to take that bone hack them bones up will you. Them back bone hack them up take their ribs and you hack them up make the
Interviewer:  Yeah? Uh the kind of meat that you buy buy smoked and its sliced thin to eat with your eggs that's? That that meat that you buy sliced up thin to eat with your eggs in the morning? What's that called?
748:  Uh
Interviewer:  Buy it at the store?
748:  Oh I call it uh is it just called bologna or something like that?
Interviewer:  That meat that you that you buy sliced up real thin to to fry up with your eggs?
748:  Bacon?
Interviewer:  Okay. When you the out the edges of bacon that you cut off before you slice it?
748:  Skin skin.
Interviewer:  The skin? Did you ever buy any meat that uh {NW} that you would buy {NW} and then you would slice it up thin yourself to eat with your eggs?
748:  Well yeah sure.
Interviewer:  What's that?
748:  {NS} Well I bought bought a little piece of little piece of uh uh siding.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Or a piece of a
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  #1 {D: liver or} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  whatever they want to call it you know?
Interviewer:  And you'd slice that #1 up and make? #
748:  #2 Yes I'd slice # it up myself you know like come on.
Interviewer:  And make what out of it?
748:  Well it just gets sliced is all I can tell you.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. Now tell me about what you do with the rest of the hog that sort of thing what you'd make from it? Fr- with the hog meat? When you cut it up could?
748:  Mm what you do with it? #1 Whole hog? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Yeah. Would you ever take the trimmings and slice 'em up and grind 'em and make?
748:  Well I'd make sausage out of that you know take you know and then you cut it up cut and make sausage out of it. Take the hooves off of them hooves and uh throw them away or save 'em if you want 'em. And them hooves you can make tea out of 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah Did you ever use the blood for anything?
748:  No I never did.
Interviewer:  Aw that's good fish bait. Freeze it and it'll make good fish bait.
748:  Oh I didn't even know that.
Interviewer:  Uh well now the head the meat from the head you'd make what would you do with the head?
748:  Well the head sometimes they'd they'd and and and and and again I'd make a salad. Hog head salad.
Interviewer:  Hog head salad?
748:  Oh there's a hog head cheese or whatever you want to call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um would you ever mix up the juice of the head cheese with some meat or corn meal? And and you would stir it up in corn meal?
748:  Oh I've tried that thing. On that quick- {NS}
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  Cutting yourself a chaw?
748:  Yea I {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Had to quit smoking.
Interviewer:  What'd you smoke?
748:  Uh I did smoke cigarettes. And I would {X} {X} then I smoke cigar up in the bathroom with a pipe. 'til my docs told me you gotta lay the pipe aside. {NW} Had to lay it aside.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well I had to lay it aside out 'til I had blackouts I think I told you about that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You told me about that.
748:  I had blackouts uh so the doc said well I guess you're gonna have to lay it gotta lay that pack down.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And uh I found out that it didn't but main- the main thing what made me know I sure had to lay it down. Want me to tell you about it another time you wanna just {X} got up on that little note no back stool bar like that drank me a coke look down there directly {X} {D: wonder what's down there} {X}
Interviewer:  Say uh I got some grapefruit juice out in my car would you like a sip of that?
748:  I'm actually {NS}
Interviewer:  What?
748:  I put I I like {C: background noise} drink coffee if I got sugar to put in it but I ain't got no sugar and I don't want it. I don't have to drink it. I'm not a such accustomed to drinking I think I just got to have just like I have to use the bathroom looks like I just have a habit to use the bathroom back all the time.
Interviewer:  Yeah. How do you like your coffee?
748:  I like two things about it want it strong and want it hot and sweet. I don't want no want no cream in it.
Interviewer:  You like it did you say you #1 like? #
748:  #2 Black. # Just say a black coffee.
Interviewer:  Without?
748:  Well without uh cream. {X} you might say it was black just without anything sugar anything.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But I want that
Interviewer:  Straight?
748:  but I sure want that sugar in that coffee. Want it hot. mean.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And strong good coffee.
Interviewer:  How did you used to how do you make your coffee?
748:  Well I'll tell you I'm using this instant coffee now. I just have me some boiling water. And uh take this boiling water Pour it in a cup Putting in what sugar I want in it. Littl- and a little coffee in it, stir it up and I got my coffee and then that way if I count. {NS} Way we had to make our coffee Way I know you think about way back yonder when I had plenty of mobility. Um by a green called him forty-three parched. {D: Been that little mill} {NS} put that little mill had to grind it up. And put it in a pot. you see it boiling And you pour it and they settle just a little bit. then pour to cup out right Best cup of coffee I've ever had. Done me no good in anything but the real black way I love it. Put in. {X} one night. And the man was placed at a saw mill. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And uh had {X} And about pound that side and a pound this side {D: is a kilo.}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And you had to pull slabs and things down {X} that comes up to sawmill you see pull them down pull 'em under there {X} Like I say {X} that was back {X} {X} electric lights I'll tell you. {X} Well he kept dismounting. This old night one he he cleaned up the mills here. Cleaned up everything and and and watched around And he come down there and so he says well says about oh about midnight a little boy said well about this time {X} its either gonna come down on the bop {X} {NW} {X} looked like to me I was going to see them files going round and round. But I happened to look up {X} That time he got {X} but he had um he made it on the jar see got a can to pour it out {X} bought the can {X} {NW} That is real coconut but coconut. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um.
748:  I was um coming once from Detroit. On the bus. They stopped uh the rest area. I go down into the restroom. And I had done that several times {X} and they buy a cup of coffee wasn't that stuff wasn't that hot what colored water you might see. But me and a white lady happened to be sitting at the same table with me. What what went down. And she was drinking some coffee that coffee I just sat looking at that coffee it looks so good. {X} I say is that coffee or is that water she said I'm gonna tell you mister. She said this is some good coffee. now order me a cup of {X} {NW}
Interviewer:  Hmm. Um now if you kept your meat too long your meat did what?
748:  It would get it would get rank. It'd get rank. Tell you another thing if you didn't do if you didn't uh didn't watch it {NW} in- flies or insects get into it {X} and and maggots get a little little {X} See. You have to clean 'em out get 'em off before you throw it away.
Interviewer:  In that case it's spoilt?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You say your meat'd get s- get?
748:  Well it gets rank you know, keep it too long.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 How # would you say it tasted? It had done what it had gotten #1 {X} #
748:  #2 spoilt? # {X} tastes strong you know then you could look at it and tell if it was rank. {X} Have uh too strong a taste if you know what I mean.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Um did you ever keep any thick sour milk around? #1 That was #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  that was what? You put it in front of the fire and let it?
748:  Well I'll tell you about that sour milk now. Sour milk that uh what I would care would be buttermilk.
Interviewer:  Yeah. But will you put milk in front of the fire #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Now listen. # Take milk that cow put that milk in that churn and set that churn out close to the fire. And turn it around facing one a time now.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  It'd get warm and that milk would turn and gets to
Interviewer:  Cla-?
748:  That's make a clabber. Well all of the the fat part of the milk the cream part of the milk might {X} go in and skim that off. That's butter. While you're stirring that butter up put your salt in everything. {X} And uh and you see you have to churn it {X} you churn it churn it churn it. Now you have to beat all that clabber up. Now you have to beat it all up you know. And that that uh butter then it'll come to the top just wait a minute. You just take um spoon and dip that butter out. put your butter in a bowl and stir it up and put s- some salt in it {NS} and uh you can use your milk then on out of the jar. Buttermilk on out of the jar. We called it buttermilk then you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
748:  Uh.
Interviewer:  Did you ever make any cheese from that?
748:  No I have never made #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 From that clabber? #
748:  No I've never made any cheese. I've heard it but I've never made it.
Interviewer:  What did they call it? #1 Cla-? #
748:  #2 {X} # {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah you ever eat cottage cheese?
748:  I've eaten cottage cheese. I bought it {D: though.} I like it very rare. {X}
Interviewer:  Um now if you kept your butter too long your butter'd get?
748:  Well if you keep your butter too long and don't uh
Interviewer:  #1 Didn't taste good. #
748:  #2 It it # it it it'd get it'd get it can't {X} {X} {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW} Butter {X} how long just like anything else put it I guess the icebox {X}
Interviewer:  How would you describe its condition? Would you say it tasted?
748:  Well it tastes uh it's kinda like having a rankish taste uh.
Interviewer:  Yeah would you say stout?
748:  Yeah uh something like that.
Interviewer:  What would that mean?
748:  Well that would just mean it's uh {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. When the butter tasted?
748:  Rankish.
Interviewer:  {X} Would you say it tasted stout?
748:  Yeah rankish Rankish kind of a taste.
Interviewer:  Stout?
748:  Kind of sourish or something like that.
Interviewer:  Or did you ever say stout?
748:  Yeah I guess I did say sour.
Interviewer:  Say what?
748:  Sour. {NS}
Interviewer:  Um now when you when you first bought brought the milk in after you milked it what would you say to a cow when you want him to stand still when you're milking?
748:  I'd say saw. Saw.
Interviewer:  And what would you do to get any impurities out of the milk?
748:  I'd do what now?
Interviewer:  What'd you do to get any impurities out?
748:  Uh.
Interviewer:  You might have to?
748:  Well I'll tell you what when I milk the cow now when I brought the milk to the house I strain it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And this strain real thin cloth. And pour it out of one thing into another one you see. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But then that'll strain all the little things.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um if somebody had a good appetite you'd say boy he sure likes to put away his? He can put away the?
748:  Well I would just say he sure is greedy.
Interviewer:  Yeah. He can put away the what?
748:  Uh put away the food I
Interviewer:  {X}
748:  Put away the food or #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
748:  greedy or something.
Interviewer:  Vittles?
748:  Yeah. Or something like that I'd say.
Interviewer:  Um now would you have milk or cream? What would you call milk or cream mixed with sugar maybe and poured over a pie?
748:  Well I'd call that um. Well I'd call uh icing. {X}
Interviewer:  Just milk or cream or #1 something #
748:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #1 some sort of sweet #
748:  #2 Yeah. Yeah. #
Interviewer:  things you pour over pie #1 some sort of sweet sauce? #
748:  #2 {X} # {X} Icing you know.
Interviewer:  Okay. Is it liquid?
748:  Yeah liquid icing.
Interviewer:  Okay. Do you eat you eat pretty regular don't you? Do you?
748:  Yes sir.
Interviewer:  Okay now food you eat between regular meal you'd say?
748:  Well I'd call that a snack.
Interviewer:  Snack? Okay. Just gonna go have a?
748:  A snack.
Interviewer:  Would it
748:  Between meals.
Interviewer:  Would it be a big big #1 thing? #
748:  #2 No. # No no, just a snack.
Interviewer:  Yeah okay. All right now do you like to drink water a lot? You drink water in a what?
748:  Well I drink water out of a glass uh jug or a
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  dipper.
Interviewer:  Um now when dinner is on the table and the family is standing around waiting uh to begin what do you say to 'em?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  {X}
748:  {D: Well so} I'd say well dinner's ready or supper's ready. Y'all come down.
Interviewer:  Everybody?
748:  Yeah just say y'all come on down dinner's ready supper's ready dinner or whatever your, breakfast whatever it is. {NW}
Interviewer:  You'd be in the dining room and everybody'd be walking around and you'd say? What?
748:  Well I'll tell you. You had a dining room and everybody walking around. And uh.
Interviewer:  Tell everybody y'all come?
748:  Well as I said tell 'em to come on eat.
Interviewer:  Okay. If if you want somebody to maybe not wait for the potatoes or pass you'd say? Go ahead and?
748:  Well just help yourself.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  To what you see.
Interviewer:  There're the potatoes. Just uh. Okay. If you decide not to eat something you'd say I don't?
748:  Well I'd I'd just say well I'm not hungry now. I don't care to eat right now something like that or whatever
Interviewer:  Okay. Um if the food has been cooked and served a second time you'd say it's what?
748:  Well it's just some warmed up leftovers all I'd say.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh you put the food in your mouth and you? You do what you?
748:  Just chew it.
Interviewer:  Chew it. Um. You might say uh that soup was so hot I couldn't?
748:  Well hmm.
Interviewer:  Something was so hot you #1 couldn't? #
748:  #2 {X} # Well you I'd just say well this soup too hot now gonna have to wait for it to cool.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I can't what?
748:  I can't can't eat it right now, too hot.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah it's too? #
748:  #2 {X} # First time ever I remember drinking anything out of these hot water bottles and things like this thermos bottle.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Me and a white friend of mine {X} We was putting up a fence. All the way in northern. And it and at dinnertime come he had in one of these hot water he had one of these {D: hot} bottles. He had his coffee. And he poured me a cup, poured him a cup. Well I had never s- didn't had never seen one. {X} Never seen one used before. I'll have to drink take a drink of that coffee {X} {X} too hot. That was {X} I'd ever seen him.
Interviewer:  So hot you couldn't?
748:  I couldn't drink it.
Interviewer:  #1 Swa- #
748:  #2 {X} # Yeah just couldn't swallow it. Say it scald me, scald my mouth. {X} That's the first time I've ever seen me took anything out of a thermos bottle.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 I bought # me that cup of coffee that day {NS} Oh man get back to boiling over the stove.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now you put your food in your mouth and you begin to?
748:  {X} bite maybe take a little sip of my coffee eat a few bites more take a little sip of my coffee.
Interviewer:  You begin to what?
748:  Bite of this and a bite of that. {X}
Interviewer:  You begin to what you begin to? when you bite down you begin to?
748:  Chew. Chew.
Interviewer:  Chew. Um now if something's good and makes a good impression on your nostrils you'll? You'd say someone mm just
748:  {D: Oh I'd just say just say} you know one thing this just sure is good.
Interviewer:  Just mm just?
748:  Uh I'd just say.
Interviewer:  Won't you just?
748:  Well just good.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Won't you just uh smell what? Won't you just {NW} mm. #1 What would you say to someone? #
748:  #2 {X} # {NW} S- wanted somebody to smell it?
Interviewer:  Won't you just? {NW}
748:  Oh yeah well I'd j- I'd just say well just taste it. or smell that woman.
Interviewer:  Huh? #1 Smell it. #
748:  #2 Taste # or smell that one. Don't believe it's good, taste it.
Interviewer:  Or smell it?
748:  or smell that lady.
Interviewer:  Smell it. Uh now if you crushed a cane in your bowl of juice and made?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You crushed a cane and you boil the juice and you make?
748:  molasses uh we call it molasses or syrup. I would call it syrup, molasses whatever you wanna call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What else?
748:  Well if you leave that syrup molasses well fortunately I just store it up in uh buckets or kegs {X} you know and just take it out in the middle of them {X}
Interviewer:  What's the difference between syrup and molasses?
748:  Well I don't know none that's just it's just uh just just uh just cold I betcha I don't know #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You? #
748:  molasses well {X} Well I just don't know none.
Interviewer:  You might say molasses? What?
748:  Just syrup that's all gone.
Interviewer:  #1 Molasses what? #
748:  #2 {X} # molasses that's all I know that's all that I notice
Interviewer:  Okay molasses is syrup? Um.
748:  Just like I want someone to pass me the syrup, say well pass me the molasses then.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You remember when they used to weigh sugar out of the barrel?
748:  Do I remember?
Interviewer:  Uh it was sold what way?
748:  Well in other words it was sold by the pound all I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You go in and buy say how much? Five?
748:  Well I want say I wanna take a pound of sugar home five pound of sugar home. Six pounds of sugar I think.
Interviewer:  Yeah it was sold in bu- in what?
748:  In buckets.
Interviewer:  In bulk?
748:  In in bulks I'd say well. And they have a ten pound sack or five pound sack.
Interviewer:  And that was in bulk? In what?
748:  In bulks sure.
Interviewer:  Bulk okay. Now what would you have on the table to season your food with?
748:  Well salt.
Interviewer:  just the two #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Pepper. #
Interviewer:  Huh? Just salt just what?
748:  We eat salt, pepper. Maybe some pepper sauce. And uh maybe {NS} well have to buy the biggest thing {X} these other preparation.
Interviewer:  Just salt and pepper?
748:  Uh besides salt and pepper. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Huh.
748:  But I'm just talking about what what I was raised up with.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I bet you ha- you had a lot of friends around here I bet didn't #1 you? {X} #
748:  #2 Oh {X} # Had a lot of friends I'm telling you I don't know what I'd do without my friends.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And when I say friends I mean both colors.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I saw the others so conduct my life in such a way 'til I've got 'em on both sides. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Say you got a?
748:  Good friend, friendship.
Interviewer:  Pa- a would you ever say a pass-? Do you know what a passel is?
748:  uh pack- uh pass- uh? #1 Uh lots of 'em. #
Interviewer:  #2 Passel. # Passel?
748:  I don't know what that is.
Interviewer:  Um okay. Um talking about all your friends most of your friends are? {X} All the friends you had when you were young. {NS}
748:  Well when I was young all of my friends {NW} passed on and gone.
Interviewer:  They're all what?
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
748:  Some of 'em dead and gone. And some of 'em just moved out and gone. {NS} Some of 'em just living yet cause I don't know where they living at. Some of 'em dead. Gone.
Interviewer:  #1 It seems they're? #
748:  #2 It's like uh # it's like I got a lot of friends now living and a lot of enemies more
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now there might be an accident up the road or something like that and uh y- you might say uh wasn't no use for the doctor to go because by the time he got here the victim was? Was what, he was?
748:  Dead.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well um I wouldn't I wouldn't know how to fix that. I wanna just say this. If an accident happened up the road go to see about him whatever you can do do that. That's all I know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Whatever you can do. {x} to help him to assist him, do it. Just like I told you yesterday I read about that fella knocked out up that road right over on top of that hill there. I told you about that yesterday. Well these other folks
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 they had knocked # out down here you see. Folks stopped to help him see what c- could they do for him.
Interviewer:  If that guy hadn't helped him now he'd be?
748:  Well maybe so. {X} Well he j- he just knocked plumb out. You know uh I'm out see we have to pull up know how know how to help him. god They didn't know how to helped him people in that condition. Just like they was outdone. There's a white lady. {X} When she was a baby I reckon per her mom and papa she had the whooping cough. {NS} {X} She had the whooping cough. {NW} and she. {C: rustling papers} He c- he can come in.
Interviewer:  Um. {NS} {X}
748:  Had the whooping cough and uh all that she got the cough you know {X} she was a baby. {NS} And uh when she coughed that phlegm I thought that child just she just oh man she just couldn't get her breath she just turned just as white as a piece of cotton looked like I'm just comparatively speaking.
Auxiliary 1:  {X}
748:  All right thank you. I'll tell you about Ida. {NS}
Auxiliary 1:  Yeah hang on here I'm coming.
748:  Huh?
Auxiliary 1:  It's been worn but I don't have uh.
748:  In here. I'd go up to that woman smack that child out of that woman's arm and run off {X} {D: that child's soul and I got over there.} {X} {NW} {X} I said why I'll tell you right now and she said {X} She take me back now everybody going man saved my life uh. See her mama don't mama just done got scared she just and just scared to death you know {X} and the child just laying there dead. and uh I just happened to come in at that time I just run in and grabbed that child {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  and run my hand down and pull that phlegm out of that throat big ol' phlegm. {NW} She caught her breath.
Interviewer:  That's something.
748:  You bet it is. It's the only way if we can help folks. but it's in emergencies.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {X} {D: Well there are} two things about one of 'em is one of you didn't know how. {X} do do what you know how to do. {X} know some things that {X} {NS} {X} the fact that I don't freeze and I don't {X} it's a miracle. {C: door slamming}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {X} Hope right now maybe uh {X} I had to get cigarettes. {NS} The other way of life I'm going to church now. Some are what they call church members. My preacher get on the stand preach preach preach what you must do what you must do. And uh he preach one thing do another one. because I've been sick and stopped to see him and say how you been {X} {X} But get him to stand oh what you must do what you must do. Preach one thing and do another. Must live what you preach. I tell him all the time there's two ways to teach me. Teach me by preach set an example. Tell me then show me. by doing it yourself. {NW} How about you do it yourself. That's right do it yourself.
Interviewer:  Those people that preach what that preach something they gotta practice it.
748:  Well yeah that's right. Practice. {X} What the what what was your angle?
Interviewer:  What uh what they preach they've gotta practice?
748:  {D: By showing they should} what they got they they should practice. But some of 'em preaching don't practice it.
Interviewer:  Yeah but you're supposed to they're supposed to #1 practice what they? #
748:  #2 {X} # Right that's right.
Interviewer:  #1 theirselves. #
748:  #2 {X} # {D: That's what I'm getting.} If uh someone says ain't on me to me tell you {D: uh if you pay up a bill that} he need help and and and and and uh and don't help him. Your buddy if if if is appreciating if if he doing the same thing. {X} I know it sounds true. {NW} I know it's just true. But the same time if you want to make it stick with me I must see you do something Show me by presenting example.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS} Yeah. {NS} Um well what tell me about the kind of trees you got here.
748:  W- what?
Interviewer:  What what kind of trees you got here? {NS}
748:  Well trees {NW} we got pine trees, we got oak trees, we got bay trees, we got um uh {D: cherry pin trees.}
Auxiliary 1:  Fair.
748:  We got uh hican nut trees. we got pecan tr- uh apple trees #1 pecan trees #
Auxiliary 1:  #2 {X} #
748:  and uh
Interviewer:  Sycamore?
748:  and walnuts trees. And uh {NW} elm trees.
Auxiliary 1:  Yeah.
748:  We got um. {C: ripping paper}
Interviewer:  {NS} Have you have you got that stuff that makes you scratch all the time?
748:  That kind of a tree?
Interviewer:  Yeah. No a kind of a vine.
748:  Oh well yeah. make you scratch all the time you know and y- you're talking about poison ivy {X} poison ivy {X} {D: scratch it} big sore you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  Are there different kinds?
748:  I don't know if there's different kinds of poison ivy and then some poison ivy don't bother some folks some folk do it I can go out there some poison ivy growing in my posts out there now I can go out there and mm well some folk will go out there and just take it put it all by the {X} if they do that it'll break out {X}
Interviewer:  Hmm. Um y- you got that bush? That gets real tall maybe and turns red early? It's got berries on it? It grows around hills? #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Dogwoods? #
Interviewer:  On fences. No this is a bush.
748:  Bush? No we call it
Interviewer:  Got berries or #1 {X} #
748:  #2 {X} # tell what we call we call {X} {X} I think that's what we call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS} What about that real tall bush or or shrub with a kind of stem of leaves growing from it that turn bright red in the fall? And it has a little red bunch at the top. They grow all over a hillside or by on the road by fences.
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  Some folks say it's poison.
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  To some people it is.
748:  Sassafras. We have sassafras here.
Interviewer:  Yeah y- you got shoemake sh-?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What?
748:  {D: Sassafras out here.}
Interviewer:  Shoemake? Sumac?
748:  I don't remember that.
Interviewer:  Sumac? Shumac? {NS} Mm-kay. Now what kind of wild berries might you get?
748:  Well we got mulberries we got uh huckleberries we got uh mulberries and huckleberries.
Auxiliary 1:  How's that?
748:  {X} that's about the biggest I've I know. Mulberries and huckleberries.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now what about them red berries you might eat with your cream?
748:  Well red berries well.
Interviewer:  #1 Red berries? #
748:  #2 Oh yeah # uh we call them uh we call 'em blackberry.
Interviewer:  You make shortcake out of what?
748:  We call 'em blackberries. Blackberry it goes on pie.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You make shortcake out of any berries? Shortcake out of straw- uh. Straw? Strawberry?
748:  Well I can't remember.
Interviewer:  You got strawberries? You ever eat?
748:  Strawberries I have raised 'em but I don't have none now.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now them big old plants maybe that grew up in the mountains um or something such as that they got long stems on 'em and white and pink flowers. You ever see them?
748:  Nah I never did see 'em.
Interviewer:  What about that tree here that's got a green shiny leaf and and a big white flower?
748:  That's a biggest thing I know is a bay.
Interviewer:  Bay? Bay tree or a mag- you got any {D: talcumber} trees, laurel tree, magnolia?
748:  No. Yeah there's some magnolias here but {D: yeah there's some here that magnolia tree.} {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now would a husband, when a man couldn't make up his mind about something he'd say I have to ask I better ask who?
748:  Well I'll tell you in other words {X} {D: he'd better say I'm gonna ask god.}
Interviewer:  What if he's married he'd say?
748:  Well uh now if it don't come to that now uh probably gonna ask me about something and uh it could be to somebody else can sign me to tell y'all And I'd say well I'd better ask them. {X}
Interviewer:  What if your wife was concerned? You'd say I I'd better ask?
748:  Well better ask my wife before some time. My wife. Better ask I'd better ask my wife something. {D: But she {X} the house} I don't know.
Interviewer:  Other names?
748:  I said I might ask my wife something could ask my wife something she might know about the house but I don't. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  See. I'd have when I plan on going to town I tell my wife say well now look at the kitchen. And uh I will ask her now what you want me to get. Want me to get some salt, soda, baking powder, whatever it is tell me now. And I get it. Course she oughta she's serving in the kitchen.
Interviewer:  Um older names you would say you'd say I gotta ask who?
748:  I better ask my wife or asked uh uh well my friend or something like that anything #1 like that. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Your what} # your father do you remember what your father used to call your mother? He'd call her what?
748:  Well {X} I care what he called her. {D: You know my mother whether he called his wife or.}
Interviewer:  What?
748:  He called her Katie. Her name was Katie.
Interviewer:  #1 Katie or? #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Would he ever say the misses or?
748:  No he wouldn't, just say Katie
Interviewer:  My ol' lady?
748:  Yeah. Well he didn't use that word old lady he just said Katie.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 Somehow # {D: we had folks all that would} my old lady or my old man.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  He didn't do that.
Interviewer:  A woman who's lost her husband is a?
748:  Widow.
Interviewer:  What if what if what if her husband just ran away?
748:  Well if he just ran away well in a way she's {X} we'd call her a grass widow. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Um. #
748:  #2 Got a # husband but he ain't here.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What if uh {NS} now um {NS} um a child would have a name maybe in the family that it's known by. It was its what?
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  That was the child's? {NS}
748:  Well um sometimes uh they're named after well they named that child so and so after his grandma. I named that child after his brother or something like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. But a child that you just a nickna- a kind of a name you'd give a child you'd say that was a what?
748:  That's a nickname.
Interviewer:  Nickname?
748:  Just like uh.
Interviewer:  What did you have one?
748:  Yes I had one.
Interviewer:  What was yours?
748:  Well I had a I'll tell you right now we had a I had a grandson they'd name him Wharton but I always called him Benny boy. That's what I call him. Little bit cause I called him Benny boy. {D: I know what he called me I never called me.} And um say all my chillun I always call my chillun or him I'd call him by name. And sometimes call each other, say bud or sis. Oh everybody called him that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um now did you have them things that you could p- put a baby in and you could they had wheels on 'em big ol' wheels #1 on 'em? #
748:  #2 Cradles. # Cradles you know we m- we had cradles you know. I had a two way way back yonder without knowing about cradles. They used to make cradles. Get 'em some plank and uh and cut 'em off. {NS} cut 'em {NW} cut 'em to piece {X} and uh nail a plank of all that. And then make a kind of box like that {D: may have been a baby in a scene.} And you rock that baby. {NW} {D: Have a cradle.}
Interviewer:  #1 Rock my soul in the bosom of Abraham, you remember that? #
748:  #2 {X} # Now of course uh they've got these uh other cradles now you know nice {X} {D: but I mean I know well I've seen 'em} homemade when we used to make 'em like where you had an undo make 'em out old time way. Course this is what they call a new day now all of this stuff not going or not wasn't going then when I was a kid. Wasn't going on when I was a kid.
Interviewer:  What kind of days are they?
748:  What's what?
Interviewer:  What kind of days are those?
748:  Older days are today is uh Wedn- no today is Tuesday.
Interviewer:  No talking about them days the days that goes you say?
748:  W- well I'd say uh back in the olden times. Or in my boyhood days something like that.
Interviewer:  Back in?
748:  You know childhood days that's what I'd say.
Interviewer:  #1 Back in them days? #
748:  #2 {X} # Yeah or and sometimes say and then the year woulda done back in them days. And I'd mean my childhood days my boyhood days.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Um now those things that you would put the baby in that had big wheels on 'em and you'd have a cowl over and you'd and you could take the baby out #1 and? #
748:  #2 Well that's # a wheelchair.
Interviewer:  A baby what?
748:  Well that's was a baby wheelchair I guess. {X} I've seen 'em but I ain't never {D: c- never carried them around.} I did have
Interviewer:  Now these ones you could lie the baby down in
748:  Well uh really they're lying down in a cradle you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah or these you could take a baby out on the street in these.
748:  Well on the street {X} I don't know about that.
Interviewer:  Baby buggy?
748:  Well baby buggy I'd say a baby buggy yeah.
Interviewer:  And you'd go out and do what you'd go out and uh?
748:  Well I'd just {D: indeed} put him in the buggy you know and I'd just go on where I wanted.
Interviewer:  Say you going out to what?
748:  {X} Step in the edge of the store maybe buy something leaving the baby buggy out the baby buggy out there. I'd step in the store here I'd step out there in the yard or something like that. Come back.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS} When you were downtown uh was there a kind of a place that people could walk on downtown? in El Dorado?
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  By the stores?
748:  By the store. Yeah.
Interviewer:  What is it?
748:  I remember sometimes read about his store now you're talking about streets I reckon.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  What would happen over there way when uh you made it made it have the breakdown on the store the uh stores keep from getting muddy. coming in {X} concrete. Little concrete walks looked like that I can remember that.
Interviewer:  Something along the uh along the side of the street for people to walk on would be a #1 what? #
748:  #2 Well # I've seen folks do this if there's a walkway and and sometime that walkway'd be made outta uh made out of plank. {D: Like for example} {X} {D: get to walk on that.} There's a way to make walkways you know {D: I mean just} could make a walkway out of concrete or anything else.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Nowadays you just walk on the what?
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  When you're downtown.
748:  Well walk around on the concrete so out on the on the concrete streets. You don't walk on the ground unless unless you get a wet bone up uptown. #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You don't w- # you don't walk on the streets uptown #1 you walk on the #
748:  #2 Well I walk on the # {D: on the on the I} mean on the streets or sidewalk. {NS}
Interviewer:  Um {NS} now if a woman is about to have a baby you say she's? she's what?
748:  Well she's about ready to give birth's all I know.
Interviewer:  She's she's what she's?
748:  Well or she's in labor. She's about to have a baby she's in #1 labor. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay # well she's? Say a woman's gonna have a child you'd say she's?
748:  Please don't have a child at all? I'd just say well.
Interviewer:  Well you know she's like seven months?
748:  Oh well seven months I'd just say she's pregnant.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. W- would would any other woman would women say anything different about you know if they were talking about another woman who had a who's having a baby?
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  What if she didn't have a husband? suppose a woman #1 didn't have #
748:  #2 Oh well # if she didn't have a husband oh well they'd they'd uh they'd just say she's uh I'd say a whore or something like that you know.
Interviewer:  Well what would they they say talking about her getting pregnant they'd say she what?
748:  Well I'll tell you what folks would say. You know what she you know what so and so {X} way back when. {X} You know so and so's got uh has her leg broke. {X} {NW} That means uh that woman's in in pregnancy.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 Well # she might uh and she got her leg broke {X} I've looked at women {X} {X} but I wouldn't talk about it that woman's in pregnant. And that woman talking to another woman talking to me round what kids folks kids they're well then. Well so and so well that woman's in pregnant now.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Would they what would they a woman who wasn't married they'd say she what she got she #1 she got? #
748:  #2 Well uh # well they would say that same {X} the baby now they would say the same thing about her #1 but #
Interviewer:  #2 She #
748:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 got herself? #
748:  which would be the same things were it necessary but uh she wouldn't be uh uh it wouldn't be by no bastard wouldn't be no bastard kind of child.
Interviewer:  Yeah. They'd say she got herself knocked?
748:  Knocked up.
Interviewer:  Knocked up? #1 Okay. #
748:  #2 That's # {D: that old way they used to that the} another way they used to say.
Interviewer:  If you didn't have a doctor who would you send for?
748:  Well we had midwives.
Interviewer:  Would any other other names for 'em they called 'em?
748:  Uh midwives and uh I'm missing.
Interviewer:  Gra-
748:  Granny. {D: I think granny or something like that.}
Interviewer:  #1 Granny #
748:  #2 They # are no midwives. {X} That way they come in cause {NS} gotta make get a woman. I don't get what they call them women now but they they don't have {D:nine} {X} uh midwife.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Say a boy say a boy and his father had the same same nose or the same type of features you'd say that boy what?
748:  The boy and his father have the same {D: type of features could be} {NS} I wanna tell you what I'd say if s- I look at a boy and his dad looks the same. {D: I've got a more way I'd say I} {X} {NW} He got his vision. {NS} Look just like him. Walk just like, talk just like him.
Interviewer:  He's the what of his dad the?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  He's the what of his dad? He's the?
748:  He's um Well he's uh #1 the #
Interviewer:  #2 He's # said he's sure? Something after his dad #1 uh? #
748:  #2 Right here # taking right after that I'd say eh tak- he's sure taking after his daddy. {X}
Interviewer:  What what now did the boy say if the boy picked up some bad habits the dad did?
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  What would they say? What if what #1 {X} #
748:  #2 {X} # Why don't you {D: clean} about that now the way I look at it. The thing that some chillun done do what their mammy and daddy never did do it. Never did do. Some both good and bad. See?
Interviewer:  Like what?
748:  Well. {X} If there's uh first making a settlement and and and and and and {X}
Interviewer:  If there was a what?
748:  I said if there's a first neighbor somebody gonna some some kid your kid {D: uh man have a chaplain always going around} stirring up some personal thing like that. And that mama and papa uh you never did hear that about them he didn't take that after them but they did not have it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And uh and uh some chilluns have rights and grew up and been good chilluns. but their mother and father weren't what they were. {NW} Uh. May look a little bit strange but you take a half a bowl of this now is chicken. {X} you take some out {X} back in the bible. Some of their best king was from we fall in love. Some of their good kings {X} {X} {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  And another thing uh you hear what chillun doing. you hear what chillun are not doing seen see folks doing thing none you never heard none of their folks has ever done that.
Interviewer:  #1 You you might say they were #
748:  #2 {X} # Take a lesson. Uh my poor father as long as he lived {X} I never did know that man to go to church one time. I went with him little bit kid about like that. All the time never did know my daddy to go to church. But I grew up as a churchman see.
Interviewer:  Your father?
748:  My father wasn't. But I grew up as a churchman. I loved {X}
Interviewer:  Your mother?
748:  Well my mother died you know when I was a baby {D: you know.} {D: But you} tell me she was Christian woman that's all I know, church going. But I was a baby I don't know.
Interviewer:  But you were raised in the church?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  You were raised in the church?
748:  Raised in the church? {NS} Well yeah in a way I joined the church when I was about say around about sixteen years old I reckon. And my father never was a member of the church. I joined church when I was about sixteen years old near as I can recollect. {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  By the time I got eighteen years old we had {x} they call 'em auxiliaries now. In church or like Sunday school all that catch you know. Well if they made me for a secretary of the summer school. Then they made me a teacher. {X} On I kept and I've been serve as a deacon of the church {X}
Interviewer:  Now to a child who'd misbehaved you'd say to him if you keep that up I'm gonna give you a good?
748:  Well {NW} tell you about that. A child who'd been you'd just say you you do that again you get my uh I don't know maybe I'd say I'll I I'll beat your butt. Something like that I'll give you a good whupping I'll beat your butt I'll be {NW} {NW} {X} I'll beat your ass you know I will beat your butt all like that. The best butt whupping I ever had {NW} was uh I I shortchanged a woman once. Shortchanged her money.
Interviewer:  How?
748:  A little kid about eight nine years old. She sent me to a store to get something. {X} {NW} I might say hang on And shortchange you see. {X} she told me, bring me a {X} {D: I've got her said just said get me} I've got her twenty cents worth, put the nickel in my pocket. {NW} I'd done it now little bitty ol' devil and when I got back home with that stuff she sent me out. This heavy little thing She sent me uh them packages wasn't big enough for the money see. And she called the storekeeper and asked him what he buy and that man told her that's what I bought then the man said well yeah and I gave you some change left I never made my old man gestured to me like and said we well you'd better very go to the store. {NS} Well. That woman {NW} called me up and she pull that thing up and she beat that {X} I mean a good one a good done him all good {X} She whupped {X} back in them days you take a nickel get a nickel or dime of cheese uh cheese and crackers. {NW} A nickel bought saltines and crackers you had a pretty good meal. You can't do that now. {NW} But anyhow uh I'd taken a dime of it and before I got into the house now I hid that dime. when she got through this butt I went and got that dime.
Interviewer:  You say what ten?
748:  What's that? {X}
Interviewer:  Ten cent?
748:  Well uh s- take a ten cent to use it another time that would. {X} Shortchanged her twenty cents and then if a dime of it. and then save another dime t- to save another dime for another time. That's what I was doing you know. {NW} But when she got through with my butt she didn't have {X} I thought I went and got that other dime. {NW} {X} But I said I ain't gonna buy nothing I'm gonna go get that dime and give it to her. {X} I need it. {X}
Interviewer:  Now a child that's born to an unmarried woman is?
748:  Child born to an unmarried woman well I'll tell you what folks called that. What they called 'em now they just call them bastards.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did they have any jesting names for 'em? Like uh would they call 'em a volun- volunteer child?
748:  Well I don't know about volunteer but I know about that I can't think about no other kind of names used for 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. What about a what about a child that was born to a poor white? #1 {X} #
748:  #2 What's that? #
Interviewer:  Poor white.
748:  Poor what?
Interviewer:  Poor white.
748:  Poor white?
Interviewer:  Would you have a name for a child born to other groups?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Like a child born to a poor white?
748:  Yeah. Now you may hear what you mean that you mean to said a child that's born with born it it's got two bloods in it?
Interviewer:  Yeah or to a poor white per- to poor white folks.
748:  Well you #1 just. #
Interviewer:  #2 Just # poor white woman that's what I'm asking.
748:  Well all I know how to say {X} well {X} folks are poor and well you know they're poor cause Poor wo- woman poor old man. Just like that but the biggest thing I notice that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. They had themselves a what? She had herself a? Buzzard egg?
748:  Well
Interviewer:  {NS} They ever say anything about a wood colt or something like that
748:  Wood colt.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {Yeah I've heard that before. I've heard folks {NS} I've heard folks uh say that about uh colt being born to you outta outta wedlock call a wood colt you know like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  The main thing is folks are poor.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now your brother's son is called your? your what?
748:  {NS} My brother's son.
Interviewer:  Is called?
748:  Well my brother's son is called my nephew.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now a child that's lost both its parents is? A child that's lost both its parents it's what?
748:  A mother I call it just a motherless and fatherless child. So orphan.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 An # orphan child.
Interviewer:  They have to put 'em in a institution? {NS}
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  That's a what?
748:  That's a pinch. Sometimes they're adopted. Sometimes folks take 'em and raise 'em like I wasn't I wasn't opposed to take chillun. Just take chillun and raise 'em I raised some chillun myself {D: you know.} {X} Course they were relatives but I I raised 'em. Cause uh I had a daughter. {NS} Called me yesterday. {NS} And uh as they were saying says uh she had a child. And uh she got we we say knocked up and I said {X} by uh a man. That man never done one thing for that child. Never even did buy a pair of diapers or nothing never did buy {D: soap no didn't do nothing.} Well I raised the child {X} raised her up in my home. She's grown now the kid called me the other day. {X} {X} I had a d- a doctor then you see. See my doctor though. I wanted my granddaughter {X} {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Cause I had the doctor to {NS} {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now um uh an orphan would be looked after by its legal?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  An orphan would be looked after by its legal?
748:  Uh by its uh well its
Interviewer:  Guard?
748:  Legal uh guardian.
Interviewer:  Guardian. Um if a woman was gonna have a party and she was inviting all her nephews and
748:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 her # nieces and things like that you'd say she was inviting all her? All the folks? {NS} You'd say uh I'm inviting all my what? #1 We're having a family get together. #
748:  #2 {X} # Yeah inviting all my relatives.
Interviewer:  My relatives all my?
748:  All my relatives my my chillun you know. {X} #1 Just having all my relatives. #
Interviewer:  #2 But do you say # #1 you say #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 around here this is where a lot of your? #
748:  #2 {X} # {X} inviting my relatives and friends.
Interviewer:  Yeah. A lot of your what live here? A lot of your ki- uh. A lot of your people live around here?
748:  Say a lot of my lot of my relatives, a lot of friends you know. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um now yes you'd say she has the family name the same name I do and she looks a lot little bit like me but I'm actually? I'm what I'm? You might say she has the the face and name and she looks alike little like me but she's what she's? She's actually what?
748:  Well I'd just.
Interviewer:  No?
748:  I'd just say that uh.
Interviewer:  No what to him no?
748:  Well uh I've seen folks look just alike and I mean I think that that they there wasn't no kin I don't know how.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 {X} # {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {X} I've seen folks that uh I thought uh that I uh was talking to folks. Thought I saw one person and well one person it'd be another.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now your brother's son. Your brother's son is called?
748:  Well my brother's son you know as I said my brother's son is a nephew.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um Now somebody that came into town and nobody has seen before he's he's a what?
748:  Well um if you said nobody had never seen him before?
Interviewer:  Right.
748:  Well I'd just say he's a stranger that's what I would say.
Interviewer:  Would it make any difference how far he came from?
748:  No if he if that you said he come into town and I had never seen him before {X} {X} where he'd come from if I had never seen him before he'd be a stranger to me.
Interviewer:  Okay what if he came from another country?
748:  Well if he come from another country he'd be a stranger still be a stranger.
Interviewer:  Okay. What's a foreigner would you ever say a foreigner?
748:  Yeah foreigner. {D: Yeah I'd say that.} Just like um
Interviewer:  Foreigner? {C: pronunciation}
748:  Just like uh people {X} {X}
Interviewer:  Would you call me a foreigner?
748:  If he wasn't raised around here nothing like that I mean no but at the same time he wasn't a he's a foreigner you know. And uh he wasn't raised up according to this {X} I know about. And his language {X} I didn't know what he was talking about.
Interviewer:  Yeah would you call me a foreigner?
748:  Well uh no I wouldn't call you a foreigner I would.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now a couple a names uh who wrote the first of the four gospels?
748:  Moses.
Interviewer:  Well it was Mark Luke John and?
748:  That's do you mean four gospels?
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 Oh well uh # four gospels you said oh that's.
Interviewer:  What remember that #1 book was? #
748:  #2 {X} # {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  {X} The gospels m- Matthew Mark Luke and John.
Interviewer:  What was the first?
748:  Matthew Mark Luke and John.
Interviewer:  Okay.
748:  They wrote #1 the first. #
Interviewer:  #2 Now # the mother of Jesus was?
748:  Mary.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now a common name for a girl beginning with M would be what? Mar- Mary or? You know George Washington's wife was named what?
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  Martha?
748:  Lotta folks are named after folks you know.
Interviewer:  Do you know Martha?
748:  Martha yeah.
Interviewer:  Hmm?
748:  I guess so uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh the sisters in the bible at whose home Jesus stayed was?
748:  Mary and Martha.
Interviewer:  Right. Um now a nickname for a girl beginning with with N remember that old song wait 'til the sun shines?
748:  I've heard of it.
Interviewer:  Nel- Uh. Okay um What relation would my mother's sister my mother's sister be to me?
748:  Well she'd be your aunt.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh if your father had a say uh a brother by the name of William you'd call him?
748:  Uncle.
Interviewer:  What would you call him?
748:  I'd just call him Uncle William.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh if your father had a brother by the name of John you'd call him?
748:  Just say uncle John.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay uh. Now um what would you call a man maybe who you might trust to build a something for your house? But you wouldn't trust him to build a you wouldn't trust him to build your house you might trust him to build your chicken coop or something like that. He'd be a what?
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  Well what about okay.
748:  {X} Wanna know uh a man's gift If he knowed how to build a house it's all right if he didn't don't get him. If he knowed how to go out there and and and build a fence around my place you see.
Interviewer:  #1 Or it gets? #
748:  #2 {X} # Some folk could build a fence couldn't build a house.
Interviewer:  {NS} What about a preacher who didn't have a regular pulpit? They'd say he was just a what kind of preacher?
748:  Well I'll tell you. I we'd just say he's a local preacher. {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 He didn't #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  didn't have a regular pulpit he'd be a what a j- uh?
748:  Well all I'd know we'd just say a local preacher or something like that but and uh heavy preacher can't have a pull {X} I mean uh just a little house {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Biggest pulpit he's got is that is that pulpit {X} that he carry on and everybody could see it. That's the biggest pulpit he's got. {X} {X} pastor he's a pastor. But uh he ain't no pastor he's just a local preacher. {X}
Interviewer:  Um well wh- now a a fella who who uh who he's not very good at preaching you'd call him a? Say he wasn't very good at preaching.
748:  Hmm.
Interviewer:  Call him a what kind of preacher?
748:  {X} I'd call him jacklegged.
Interviewer:  Jackleg?
748:  {NW} {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. Or a mechanic who couldn't do your car very well he'd be a what kind of #1 mechanic? #
748:  #2 {X} # call him a.
Interviewer:  {X}
748:  {X} mechanic.
Interviewer:  #1 A jackleg mechanic? #
748:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Okay. Would you talk about a jackleg governor or jackleg lawyer?
748:  {NW} If you don't think he done any good then I guess you could call him that.
Interviewer:  What about a doctor that that wasn't a good doctor what would you call him?
748:  Well. {NS} Well I guess the same way if he is that way course now I would know doctors that Well that I'd call good doctor and some I did I didn't think that he was. Just like um.
Interviewer:  So you called him a what?
748:  Mm well I'd just call him a I don't know wha- I don't know what to call him.
Interviewer:  A jack?
748:  Yeah I wouldn't call him a jack though of course I don't know what I'd call him.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um now what do you call the man who's in charge of a ship?
748:  The pilot?
Interviewer:  Okay. Now uh wait a minute. Um a fella who's in charge of a army is a what?
748:  He's a captain.
Interviewer:  Okay. Higher than a captain would be a what? You know the fella who invented Kentucky fried chicken?
748:  Yeah he's a captain why? He's over.
Interviewer:  Who's the fella who invented Kentucky fried chicken?
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  Colonel?
748:  I I forget
Interviewer:  Sanders?
748:  Yeah I think so.
Interviewer:  What was he he was a col- You know what a colonel was? What was a colonel?
748:  Well I just don't know.
Interviewer:  Okay. And then higher than him would be a what?
748:  You mean a c- {X}
748:  And I said if you need to kinda know everything their mothers are just his I reckon just say his father's I reckon.
Interviewer:  And then higher than a colonel would be a? Ge- uh talking about ol' Robert E. Lee they'd talk about him as a what?
748:  Well they'd talk about him being a mighty man you know the biggest thing I know he'd say I don't know all that bout bout history he'd know a whole lot you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Somebody like old George Patton or Eisenhower he was a what? Before he was president he was what?
748:  Well now
Interviewer:  They called him? Gen-?
748:  General Eisenhower.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  We. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um now uh anybody born in America is what?
748:  Well if you're born in America he's an a an American you see. If he's born here. If he's not born here he he's not been coming here any other way he he just have to be uh naturalized. That's how he becomes a citizen of America by going they keep coming.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  But if he's born here he's an American. Even if though he was uh born of uh uh of of another race. Okay? {C: very quiet}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Take the Mexican now.
Interviewer:  {D: From yours or mine.}
748:  Take the Mexicans now a Mexican man and woman come here in in America and and make their home they have a child that was born it'd be a born American here he'd be a Mexican.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Huh. Um well now we talked about names what would you call the man you work for?
748:  What did I call the man I worked for?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well I'll tell you what I always called I just said mister.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Mister so-and-so Mister Jones Mister whatever your name.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Would you ever would you ever kind of give him a general term or name would you ever call him captain or anything like that?
748:  Well uh
Interviewer:  When you worked #1 {D: for him?} #
748:  #2 {D: Comparatively speaking no I didn't do that.} #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # You'd just uh just call 'em just call 'em by their name I never did call them captain.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about a person who lived way back in the country somewhere and then never got into town uh and he didn't know much about town ways and when he came into town folks would say gosh he's a mighty? You know he always had a maybe he had a long beard or something like that. He smelled bad. Folks would say he was a what kind of fella? Well we'd just say uh. Talking about where he lived and things?
748:  The biggest thing about all I know just an old country an old country man I don't know nothing else to say now. Or an old country woman I don't know about that. I wouldn't try to say it.
Interviewer:  Did you ever know people like that when you were younger?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  D- Were there a lot of people like that when you were younger?
748:  That's right. People lived way back in the country and they'd come to town or come out in in in the public you know people come out in the public. And uh they just they close I know people that you didn't ever see 'em unless you met 'em in town I know people never come out of church unless you give a big a big big eating a big feast or something like that. Everything about to eat.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And they were what?
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  Did you ever hear 'em called uh what about folks who lived up in the hills?
748:  Well folks uh folks we used to call them hillbillies.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And somebody lived out in the swamp somewhere?
748:  Well I guess I guess I'd call them the same thing I believe. {NW} Swampbillies.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And maybe people who uh you ever hear the term a hoosier? You ever hear anybody talk about a hoosier?
748:  Uh mm okay a person's name?
Interviewer:  No okay never never heard of that? Um alright. Well uh tell me about let me just a few more questions and I'll call it for today. Uh tell me about the things that you when you went into town what did you do? Go into town for what?
748:  Well when I went into town said take now. When I go to town I ain't like I was when I was a young when I used just go there in those days and look around. Now if I go to town if I whatever I go for I don't want to buy that thing and gets them up and then afterwards I'm ready to go home. {C: Clock chiming} Whatever it is. {C: Clock chiming} When I go to town. I have seen times when I went to town you know when I was a kid really. I said I was gonna go to town {X} {NS} but after I got up and I broke down to do my little trade pick up buy what I want and tell 'em I'm in business I'm ready to go home.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And you'd you'd say you were doing? Uh did you ever go to the go anywhere to see anything in town?
748:  Go where?
Interviewer:  Would you ever go into town to see anything?
748:  Well that's right I have went to see things I went to the fairs I went to a few shows in my life and I must've seen a few exhibitions and other excitements I would see.
Interviewer:  Where would you go see a show?
748:  Well just to see something I hadn't seen before is all I know.
Interviewer:  Where would you go?
748:  Well I'll tell you about the show now where I went. I didn't I don't I don't have a number ten the side show you know they just had shows come here. You'd just have {X} and I've known folks took the longest road and go there and stare at the shows down there oh it'll call the sideshows you know its all the show and like and uh and like when a big show gonna be a big fancy ending. Anyway that's the difference between a big show and a side show besides that I just go to town to see what see the show.
Interviewer:  Do you ever go to the movie?
748:  Quite a few I've been to a few movies yeah that's right.
Interviewer:  What do you now who's in a movie? The man he's a what? He's a actor?
748:  #1 That's right. #
Interviewer:  #2 And the #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # and the woman is a what?
748:  Well I guess you might say a movie star I guess.
Interviewer:  Do you ever watch TV?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay the woman on TV is a what? She's a act-?
748:  Actor.
Interviewer:  Actress?
748:  Yeah. {C: Whispered} Actress.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. And you'd go to see a movie you'd go to the what? Th-
748:  Well if I go to a movie I go to theater.
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright. Okay. Well that's all for today if you can get do you think you can give me some time tomorrow?
748:  Well I think so maybe I don't know what don't know what things are going uh my sister may be here but I I can give you a little time I think.
Interviewer:  Okay well we can finish up in say an hour tomorrow and I can I'd like to give you some money for what you've been doing.
748:  Okay well there.
Interviewer:  I appreciate it very much.
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  It's been very good of you to do it. What kind of day is #1 it today? #
748:  #2 Yeah because # I've You know what I'm saying if you hadn't been here I'd have sure been doing something.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  What kind of day we got?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Oh it's beautiful day in a way but that old man out there that man yonder says its gonna rain. {NW} Yeah but I'd be like. {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  #1 But I thought #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
748:  I just thought I'd buy a pack of {X} and then I bought some too cause I know that was gonna be a long
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 time. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  How you feeling today?
748:  Well I'm feeling very well thank the lord. Looks like you feeling alright.
Interviewer:  Huh? I said look like you feeling alright.
748:  Yeah? I think I'm gonna go home today. Where is your home?
Interviewer:  Georgia.
748:  In Georgia. I do say. In Georgia.
Interviewer:  You know where the capital of the country is?
748:  Where?
Interviewer:  Have you ever been to the capital of the nation? I was up there.
748:  I know its Washington D.C.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  No I never been to Washington D.C. I've been in the state of Washington but I've never been to Wash Seattle Washington's the only place I've been.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  In Wash-.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 The only place I've been is Seattle. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Well do you know about any of the other uh any of the other uh states around here like the biggest city the biggest city in the nation is in what state?
748:  Well the biggest city.
Interviewer:  Is?
748:  In the nation I believe is in New York I believe.
Interviewer:  Okay and that state is what?
748:  New York New York. It's the state of New York.
Interviewer:  That's right. You know that state where they grow uh a lot of oranges?
748:  Well uh in uh well they don't grow 'em in Georgia they grow 'em in uh don't grow 'em in.
Interviewer:  Do you know any of the other states on the gulf?
748:  No sir.
Interviewer:  They grow 'em in Flori-?
748:  Flo-?
Interviewer:  Florida.
748:  I don't know about Florida I I never been to Florida. But I don't know about it.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Never been there.
Interviewer:  Now Tulsa is in what state?
748:  Well Tulsa Tulsa Tulsa's in Oklahoma I think.
Interviewer:  And uh Boston is in?
748:  Massachusetts I think.
Interviewer:  Right. They call all them states up there from Maine to Connecticut the New? New Eng-? New Englands?
748:  Yeah New England.
Interviewer:  Huh?
748:  I never been to New England.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um.
748:  And I never studied geography enough to things like. Keep up with to know I've read things and looked on maps and things.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And totally I I'm just I'm less than a fourth grade student's schooling.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Well you said you went up to Detroit. Now there's a big city.
748:  Oh the big city I been to Detroit.
Interviewer:  {NW} Yeah? There's a big city uh along the c- uh in Illinois its on the river they call that? Chi-? Ole Al Capone used to run the rackets there?
748:  I guess so I don't know.
Interviewer:  Chica-
748:  I just don't know about that.
Interviewer:  You ever heard of Chicago?
748:  Yeah I've heard of it.
Interviewer:  What?
748:  Say I've heard of it.
Interviewer:  What you've heard of? #1 You never heard. #
748:  #2 {X} # You mean photographer?
Interviewer:  Chicag-. Chicago.
748:  Oh Chicago? Well I've been through Chicago too yeah I've been through Chicago yeah. Chicago Illinois yeah I've been through there.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Okay you ever been to Alabama? In the south? #1 Never been there? #
748:  #2 No sir never have been. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Okay now the big the biggest city in Georgia is? You know what that is? The one I'm from?
748:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Atla-? #
748:  Biggest city in Georgia.
Interviewer:  Atlanta?
748:  I guess so Atlanta I yeah Atlanta yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I know I read that in there.
Interviewer:  You know where they run the derby at?
748:  Derby?
Interviewer:  The Kentucky Derby? Or do you know where they play where do the Redlegs play baseball? You ever heard of that?
748:  I've heard of it but I can't think where it was.
Interviewer:  The Redlegs from the Cinc-
748:  No I just can't think of where its Cincinnati I believe.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh Yeah? Uh do you do you go into town much or that sort of thing?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Do you go into town much?
748:  I go in pretty often pretty often not like I used to but I go pretty often. #1 I usually #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah? #
748:  go back at least once or twice a week.
Interviewer:  {NW} That wind is.
748:  {D: You betcha ass} that wind.
Interviewer:  Wind is what?
748:  You said wind is what?
Interviewer:  You might say the wind is doing what?
748:  Blowing. Its all I know to say.
Interviewer:  Yeah. But it wasn't bad this morning it's.
748:  No sir it's not bad. #1 Moderate #
Interviewer:  #2 It's doing what? #
748:  small light wind blowing.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well when you go into town you might see somebody on the street how would you greet 'em gimme some of the different ways you might greet 'em?
748:  Well I {NW} I might greet 'em. Well I'll tell you. Some of 'em I greet 'em with a with a nice handshake. With a smile a friendly smile and all {D: everyone's trying to be.} Don't meet 'em with a frown but meet 'em with a smile. Let 'em know I'm proud to meet 'em. {D: That's how I'll be close} Gotta be close. Loving man. Friendly with a friendly disposition shown my that's my own makeup to do that.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Yeah? What might you say to a friend?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  What might you say to a friend when you hadn't seen 'em in a long time?
748:  Well if I hadn't seen 'em go hey I ain't seen you in a long time where you been I'm sure glad to see you that's what I'd do.
Interviewer:  {X} Awful? Awful proud to see you?
748:  Oh I yeah its a surprise its a surprise but but I usually just say I'm so glad to see you. I wasn't expecting to see you here. {NW}
Interviewer:  Um. If somebody's waiting for you to get ready say somebody came to your house say your son came to your house and he was waiting for you to get ready to go into town he'd yell out to you he'd say hey will you be ready soon? And you'd yell back?
748:  Well I'll tell you what
Interviewer:  I'll be with you in?
748:  {NW} I said just quick as I can that's the way I'd say just quick as I can. Or a few minutes.
Interviewer:  Would you say #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Sometime # sometimes I'd say well just as soon as I get so-and-so or my hat on. My coat on or something like that I'm ready.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  And so that's about where that goes.
Interviewer:  Would you ever say just a minute?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  I'll be with you in?
748:  Well that's right be there in just a minute or a few minutes sometimes I say a few minutes.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Cause uh sometimes I know what uh takes me to get ready take me more than one minute to get ready.
Interviewer:  Yeah? When you wanted to agree with a friend say a friend of yours is said uh I'm not gonna do that. And if you were gonna agree with him you might say well me?
748:  Well If I don't agree with him I just I'd just tell him basically I'd say well I see it just like you see it.
Interviewer:  Me?
748:  You're right.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  That's the way I'd handle it And if I disagree with him and I don't see it I'd say well I just don't see it that way.
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  Just don't see it that way.
Interviewer:  Say yeah talking about maybe uh {NW} he wasn't gonna do something? Say he wasn't gonna do something somebody else would do something or or he wa- he thought something was again and you might say me?
748:  Well yes see I've asked people to do something he says no I won't do that. And um sometimes they tell me reading what why sometimes some other some other color or some other in the way. Some {X} you know before they explain to him it's a lot.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
748:  Sometimes they explain it sometimes they don't.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Say that I just can't do that now.
Interviewer:  Say somebody asked you and me to do something. What would we say to him? If if I didn't want to do it and you didn't want to do it I I'd say well I'm not gonna do that and you might say me?
748:  Uh I'd just say me either If I didn't want to do it neither I'd just say me either.
Interviewer:  Me neither?
748:  I'd say me either.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Okay. Would you ever say neither?
748:  How's that?
Interviewer:  Neither? #1 Neither am I? #
748:  #2 Oh neither I. # Yeah neither and neither and me neither.
Interviewer:  Me neither okay. Now uh how do you how do you check how do you check yourself when you think you might have a little fever or something?
748:  Well I'll tell you when I think I might have a little fever the first thing I'd do uh well I'd call it checking myself. All I know is that I just feel my hand you know. Like that
Interviewer:  What do you feel?
748:  Well you feel my forehead
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Or my pulse or something like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Um now you might go to the to the barber and or if you haven't shaved in a while you might be growing a?
748:  Well if I go to the barber shop to do that I'd say well I come to get a shave.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And he'll?
748:  #1 Well if he #
Interviewer:  #2 If you hadn't shaved # in a while you might be growing a what?
748:  Well be growing a long beard.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Did some folks have them back in your days?
748:  I can't remember way back yonder but they do now.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
748:  {NW} Men grow 'em out now all that hair on their face my goodness alive. Men they'd done that way back yonder way back yonder. But they don't do that now. Some of 'em now just look like they want look like some of the men want a turn to be women or something but I don't know what they have on their head and all like that. Course that's them not me you know I wouldn't do it past them. Its them but they can do what they wanna do to theirselves. But I wouldn't do that I'm gonna cut them ha-ha-hair off and shave these beards off. You see cause I don't wanna look like no uh a woman she's supposed to have hair on her cause that's covered that's covered head you know. That's the hair on the head.
Interviewer:  She's not supposed to have a beard though. {NW}
748:  What's that? No she ain't supposed to have a beard.
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  Not a beard just just hair on the head that she's supposed to have that covered. Don't cut it off. Samson I believe it was. Wife kept {X} till he cut his hair. {C: Clock chiming} he had really long hair. {C: Clock chiming} {C: Clock chiming} But that was a present of God. When he cut that hair off you see. {NW} You know you can't say that hymn at the end from {X} was the will of God. But he should've kept that hair on then. The only man that I know that the Bible boasts that hair on his head. And uh kept fooling around fooling around well till he cut it off. Well he cut it off because he was afraid to do it. He didn't do it cause he wanted to do it. He's done it because he was asked and just kept on being begged and begged and wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't do it. Why he cut it off
Interviewer:  Mm. Where would uh an old-time storekeeper keep his pencil? If he wasn't using it where it it could be handy?
748:  Well I'll tell you to keep it handy the old-time store people there are two ways to keep it uh some of 'em kept it right in the pocket where it gets quick and some of 'em kept it behind the ear.
Interviewer:  Where? What you?
748:  I'd say behind the ear.
Interviewer:  If he was right-handed he'd keep it behind his?
748:  Well he'd keep it behind his right ear. But if he's left handed he'd keep it to the left.
Interviewer:  Be behind his what?
748:  Left left ear if he were left-handed he'd keep it behind his left ear.
Interviewer:  Um. Now you tie a tie around your?
748:  Neck.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What do they call this here?
748:  Well uh you mean you mean a necktie all I know is just say.
Interviewer:  What do you call this thing that goes up and down?
748:  Go up and down?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well I might say that's a uh say undershirt is all I know.
Interviewer:  Your undershirt?
748:  Mm. That's all I know to say.
Interviewer:  Well you know this part of your what is this here this is your? You swallow through your
748:  Oh oh your throat.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  In your throat you know. Swallow through your throat. Where you swallow. And you swallow. {NW} You know some people you can look at 'em and tell when they swallow something and some people just swallow just so you so that in looking at 'em in case you with some people you know they folks will make a ton of uh you see it look like {X} and some people you can't even tell it.
Interviewer:  You know what your goozle is?
748:  How's that?
Interviewer:  What's your goozle?
748:  {D: Goodle?}
Interviewer:  Goozle.
748:  Oh oh yeah goozle oh yeah. I'd just call that goozle. Uh. Well that's uh that'd be back I don't know what the what I've heard it though yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh when you go to the dentist uh he he might say this around your gums you're not taking good care of your what?
748:  Take uh taking good care of your teeth. And um.
Interviewer:  And your what?
748:  Your teeth.
Interviewer:  And what's the skin around the teeth? The flesh around the teeth is what?
748:  Gums.
Interviewer:  Yeah. He might say you're not taking good care of your?
748:  Yeah that's right.
Interviewer:  You still got your teeth don't you Mister? {B}
748:  I got some of 'em these bottom ones I got {NW} {D: hog teeth in the house.}
Interviewer:  Yeah? Got some store-bought ones too? {NW}
748:  Yeah that's right got some store-bought ones too {X} and now we've got some store-bought ones. {D: will guard their local}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  {NW} {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  {NW} That's it. Just like I know my brother my brother went around for me he wept on here {D: took a loss.} He was going around I asked about uh c'mon c'mon gimme some teeth. You always gonna give me some teeth. Yeah in the Bible in the Bible that's what they'd say to me yeah go out done give it to me but you I said you just wanna go get 'em. But to go out he's a little bird but he don't put that in the nest. I'd say that uh God done gave you some teeth been here to make 'em. People know oh you just wanna go get 'em.
Interviewer:  Now a baby bird might be so small you could hold it in the?
748:  I'm gonna hold it in my hand.
Interviewer:  In the in the what of your #1 hand? #
748:  #2 In the # palm of my hand.
Interviewer:  {D: palm} of your hand?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Now you uh when you get mad you might make a?
748:  Well if I get mad sometimes I'll get mad enough uh I would if something well I'll just tell you right here. Course I never have had a fight. I don't fight. At least I I don't say I wouldn't.
Interviewer:  You you've never?
748:  I don't I don't fight
Interviewer:  Have you ever?
748:  Well well yes I've I I have made an effort to fight. Cause I tell you what.
Interviewer:  You fight him?
748:  A man messed with me once made me mad and first thing I done I jerked my collar up and {X} and said oh I'm ready to go here and then he was laying.
Interviewer:  In other words you doubled your hand up in a?
748:  Why sure that's right he uh object {X} no I'm ready to go in.
Interviewer:  You made a what?
748:  Well I made a effort to hit him if he wanted to if if you wanna hit back.
Interviewer:  With your hand you made a?
748:  My with my hand. That's uh that.
Interviewer:  You made a what?
748:  A-all I know is just just throw it back and make and.
Interviewer:  Double it up into a?
748:  An-an-and double up my elbow made a made a effort.
Interviewer:  Fi- into a?
748:  In my fist. You might say my fist.
Interviewer:  You made two?
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  With your hands you made you doubled up both?
748:  No I I didn't double up both that time I just doubled up my right hand.
Interviewer:  Yeah you didn't make two?
748:  No.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now you might double up your hands and make two?
748:  Well if I doubled my hand up I'd think to use the choke.
Interviewer:  Two what?
748:  Two fists. Two fists.
Interviewer:  You know any place where you move or bend is a what?
748:  Well said my elbow and you know you know in my knees.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  My back.
Interviewer:  Folks might be getting a little stiff in their?
748:  Well if I'm getting a little stiff in my back you know I just. {NW}
Interviewer:  What is that disease that causes you to get a little stiff in your?
748:  Well sometime it say the rheumatism or arthritis way to call it. Way back down folks call {D: didn't fall.}
Interviewer:  That makes you stiff where?
748:  Arthritis you know where it {NW} it'll make you stiff in your back.
Interviewer:  Any place you move you'd say it makes you stiff in your?
748:  Well I'll say oh in my elbow #1 my elbow's stiff. #
Interviewer:  #2 In your jo-? # #1 Yeah you. #
748:  #2 My joints. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # Yeah.
Interviewer:  Um. Now the upper part of a man's body is his?
748:  Chest it's his chest.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. Um you have left you have two?
748:  Two hands.
Interviewer:  And two?
748:  Two feet.
Interviewer:  One?
748:  The walk on the one to the #1 feet. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah? # And you put one?
748:  Before the other and then I'm gonna walk.
Interviewer:  One?
748:  One b- one before the other?
Interviewer:  One one foot?
748:  One foot before the other.
Interviewer:  Before the other. Uh now if you get a pain I mean if you say stumble in the dark you might stumble and bruise your? Bruise this? What is this?
748:  Well oh I hurt my knee.
Interviewer:  Yeah but you hurt just here? #1 It hurts your? #
748:  #2 On my leg. #
Interviewer:  What bone?
748:  Well my leg.
Interviewer:  No what is it? Do you know what they call this right here?
748:  Well uh call it just said leg bone is all I know I know what to call it #1 thigh. #
Interviewer:  #2 Shin? #
748:  I know what to call your thigh. Your thigh's called this up here.
Interviewer:  Uh huh. Now if the ground was too cold say there was snow on the ground and it was too too cold to sit you'd have to do what you'd say?
748:  Well I'd squat down and when you sit down just squat down or stoop down.
Interviewer:  On your what?
748:  Well stoop down on my on my knees like.
Interviewer:  Yeah what if you were doing this you'd say you did what you?
748:  Well if I got on my knees I'd just #1 I? #
Interviewer:  #2 down on my knees. #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # I kne- I what I kne-?
748:  And uh
Interviewer:  What would you say you're doing? I kne-?
748:  Well I I well I'll tell you I'm biggest thing I'm talking about my knees. Sometimes get down on my knees to do some work.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  You see some work maybe I just don't want to stand up and do it if I can't stand up and do something I get on my knees and do it cause I'll be down low to it. And the next thing I get down on my knees is to pray.
Interviewer:  Okay. A child went down a child uh wanted to pray so he went over to the side of the bed and?
748:  Went on the side of the bed and knelt by the side of the bed.
Interviewer:  Um. Well talking about the back of your legs there you'd call them your what your hun-?
748:  Well uh {NW} just say I'd call it uh my thighs is all I know. {NS} Just say my thigh.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Would would you ever {NW} would you ever talk about your haunches or anything?
748:  Your what?
Interviewer:  Your haunches?
748:  You mean?
Interviewer:  No. You know what your haunches are? Do you ever hear anybody talk about hunkering down?
748:  I've heard. But I never I don't know what that is.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  I don't know what that means.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now if B.T. even if you had seen somebody say you saw somebody that had been sick a while and he was up now but you'd say he still looked a little what?
748:  Well if I go to see somebody and they're sick haven't seen 'em in a good while and they see me too I'd go oh you look better you look better today. You look better. And uh I hardly talk when he don't look well. {NW} How long does it take? Cause you look about you say you sure is looking better. I'm glad to see you looking better.
Interviewer:  But you might say to a friend he's still looking a bit? A bit what a bit?
748:  Better or bit better is all I got you know.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 But I wouldn't # I I don't wanna tell nobody you're looking bad.
Interviewer:  What would you say about maybe a person now a person who uh had been sick a while and they're up now. But you might say they're still feeling a bit what?
748:  Well I'm glad to see you're able to be up.
Interviewer:  Okay well y-you may have been sick a while say. And you're up now but you still feel a bit what?
748:  Well I y-you're up and you should feel better that's what I say.
Interviewer:  You might well you're up now but you might feel a little bit you're still a bit what? You're not quite well?
748:  Well I just say well you're not well but you're doing well.
Interviewer:  You're still looking a little what?
748:  Well you look a look a little bit better.
Interviewer:  Yeah. But talking about if they look sick you'd say they looked a little what?
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  She's not #1 well. #
748:  #2 I'd just say it like that # well you don't look looks like you're not doing well today that's the way I'd say it.
Interviewer:  You look like you're doing kinda what? Kinda?
748:  Look like you're just look like you're not doing as well as you ought to. You don't look as well.
Interviewer:  Yeah. As well as you ought to be?
748:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um would you ever say somebody looks sickly or puny or?
748:  Sure sure. I've seen folks out there I'd say well uh you don't look so well today. They would just look puny you know. Just like uh I remember one of our pastors on Communion day and I kept a looking at him and looking at him and I says to him right there {X} I say you look like you're not feeling well. But he wasn't feeling well. I said I got you something and then poor lesson had his son there in the mor- in the day. And about ten o'clock uh before that time I got the message that he's dead. See? Well I'd say well I don't think he looked bad. He looked funny
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now somebody who has a good disposition you'd say they were a what type of person?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Somebody who has a good disposition you'd say they were what type of person?
748:  Well a good disposition I'd say well that sure is a friendly acting party person.
Interviewer:  He always had a smile on his #1 face. #
748:  #2 Yeah # that's right. Always with a smile a good meet you with a smile.
Interviewer:  Good what?
748:  Well with a good smile there was different than a smile and a grin you know. {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh. {NW}
748:  {NW} There's a difference between a smile and a grin you know.
Interviewer:  Oh I'll keep that I'll keep a watch out for that now. Uh you'd say he's always in a good what?
748:  In good humor.
Interviewer:  Good humor. A boy who was say always arms and legs and he was knocking over things what would you say about him?
748:  Well I'd say he was mischievous.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about a boy who was just he didn't mean to do it he was just what?
748:  Well I'd just.
Interviewer:  He was big and tall say and he was gangly or? Anything?
748:  Mm well {NW} you didn't mean it but if when you mean it I'd say well he done so-and-so without even bringing him in.
Interviewer:  He's just what?
748:  I just don't bring him in. That's all I know.
Interviewer:  He's just a what kind of person?
748:  Well he's just a he's kind of a all I'd say he's just a kind of a funny acting person is all I know to say. Funny ways.
Interviewer:  But he didn't mean it?
748:  Yeah but he didn't mean it I and I I said do something uh I've seen folks do things and I tell you what I've seen folks do things cause somebody else did it they didn't mean to do it it's done because somebody else is doing it. Keep that because they're saying something about it. Or the other folks will. Around folks uh folks around. Just like I've seen folks I've had folk come up and shake my hand. {NW} Well uh they didn't mean to do it. I I've made disposition I could tell they didn't do it for me within in here but just did it for an hour show. Just like I told you about that picture let me tell you about the picture of that thing up there on the wall. And another thing about it when I went to that uh reunion that school reunion handshakes. Back pats. And all like that. Well some of them folks meant it and some don't because others don't.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  They didn't mean it but they done it cause of {NW} they done get caught up they didn't and then the rural rule if a fellow goes up to shake your hand if he mean it there's a feeling. That uh goes with it so that you know that this is from here in here. Like if you just shake your hand you know {NW} pull bar. Torture. {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh you know somebod- some people uh won't ever spend any of their money. Won't give their money to anybody or anything.
748:  Well I'd just call that uh well I'd call it stingy. I'm talking about needs that's what I'm talking about. Somebody needs some and you got some and won't give it to 'em they're stingy. You have to need it so uh {NW} And I'll be that it's just a way when you see a person in need in need of a dollar just make it that way. And you put your hand in your pocket and give him {NW} you give it good cause you feel like that person needs that dollar. But if I'd walk up and hand well here here's a dollar just hand just hand it and you see? And don't see no common needs no common distress or nothing like that. That's just a a gift to be given some. Without uh a sort of spiritual meaning. Just a gift to be giving someone.
Interviewer:  What would you call a man who never {NW} never gave any money to anybody?
748:  Well as I said a while ago I'd just call him stingy. That's all I know to say is stin- too stingy to do that.
Interviewer:  Yeah. He is just a regular?
748:  Well he.
Interviewer:  A regular?
748:  Well uh vaguely just a {X} is all I know you see.
Interviewer:  What would you he'd say he's what with his money he's mighty?
748:  Well he's just too stingy to spend his money for his own good that's all I know.
Interviewer:  Tight?
748:  Yeah tight yeah. {X} Tight.
Interviewer:  Would you ever say anything maybe about being a tight or?
748:  Yeah I would I would say {X} I've said that and heard folks said it about he sure is tight. You know what what they mean by it yeah he not getting a {D: dime} {NW} hard to get a thing out of.
Interviewer:  And a person who could get money out of other people?
748:  Well now I've heard who can get money out of other people there's two ways to go about that. They must first show that person that they're asking for money that there isn't a tight I need that money to help 'em just like uh just like that poor {X} you see coming the other day. Every once in a while it comes pop out just wanted to pop it in there. But I know his condition. See? I know his condition and I need to just give it to him. I know he need I know I know his condition. Just like uh we have what we call a chair get pointed out at church. And uh I handled it a while and I tried not to be partial with it. Not to give it to Tom {X} No matter what they say. And if Tom were then I'd give him nothing. Give him the bowl. I tried not to you know. {X}
Interviewer:  Uh what would you say when you when you use the word common about a person what would that mean?
748:  What's that?
Interviewer:  Common.
748:  Common? Well {NW} I just mean that uh that person is uh he's just common and he just don't know about just don't know about. That's just his makeup. He don't know about. Just don't know about it.
Interviewer:  A girl if you said a girl was very common what would that mean?
748:  Well if she was very common why she just a girl that that was just uh was um. In other words she just went about and had her way and then she didn't look like she'd take a care for nothing just for herself.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now an old person maybe say somebody like yourself they'd say you're a mighty what kind of fella?
748:  Well {NW} as a rude?
Interviewer:  Talking about the way you get around
748:  A-a-as a rude? Uh they'd say well you sure do get around well for your age. Sure get around well for your age. Or condition.
Interviewer:  You're still a right?
748:  And sometimes I'd say this I've wished I could do that you know have a if I live to get as old as you do.
Interviewer:  When you were young did you get around a lot?
748:  Oh yes sir I I used to ride. I'm gonna tell you a secret. {NW} When I was {NW} when I was young why I was always ready to go places to first to churches and the highest places I never did go to these dances and things like that I didn't I didn't follow that up. But these nice uh exercise social and things like that I always worked {X} to go there and I was the only one to go around among the folks when I meet a big crowd of folks at churches and go around shake hands and just you know I'm glad to see you I'm glad to see you and all like that and showing 'em I'm glad to be with you. Glad to see you here.
Interviewer:  You were quite? Quite uh what quite?
748:  Well. {NW}
Interviewer:  When you were younger you were quite?
748:  Well now I was young might say I was quite friendly that's all I know. Just quite friendly.
Interviewer:  Nowadays you still get around you're still active #1 You'd say you're #
748:  #2 Well #
Interviewer:  a pretty what #1 kind of fella? #
748:  #2 Well # when I get around or not I'd say well I'm not can't get around like I used to.
Interviewer:  #1 But I'm still? #
748:  #2 Way I usually say it # well I say yeah but I thank God that uh I can get around as well as I am. Sometime I go for a lift sometime I say this. I said then uh I see folks that's older than I am. Haven't been to a or maybe haven't been through what I have been through he's in a worser shape than I am.
Interviewer:  Now say your children were out a little later than usual you felt a little what you'd say you felt?
748:  Well I'll tell you two seconds about that sometimes I I I feel a little bad or whatever Sometimes I My mind would go to wondering and wondering wondering how come so-and-so ain't come home.
Interviewer:  You'd feel a little you wouldn't say you felt easy about it?
748:  No I wouldn't say it I know I'd say I went on a little uneasy I have said that. I'm uneasy about so-and-so I don't know what could've happened.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I I haven't seen 'em.
Interviewer:  Um uh now somebody might say uh talking about uh talking about being afraid you might say I don't understand why she's afraid or he's afraid I can't understand why they're afraid because they they what they?
748:  Well uh because they act funny. Yeah. #1 They act funny #
Interviewer:  #2 What? #
748:  and I'm not gonna bother 'em I don't coming around look like they're afraid of me They're so they're afraid to do this afraid to do that.
Interviewer:  Yeah? And why is it they're afraid? They? Talking about back?
748:  Sometimes sometimes
Interviewer:  Before now they #1 what? #
748:  #2 sometime #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # sometimes its a misunderstanding.
Interviewer:  Well the opposite of used to be
748:  Yeah that's right.
Interviewer:  You'd say? Talking about they'd I can't understand why they're afraid because they?
748:  Yeah j-just like I got a daughter-in-law when she first married she'd come to my house often often. And she was as friendly as she could be. We'd have receptions and I wouldn't know what to bring bring bring along food and we'd have kind of a little get-together. And all at once she quit for some cause I don't know why. Today I don't know why I've even asked her why. Because I wanted to still more than I and I went forward up to her if there's anything th-that I've ever said or done that you ever knowed or heard that I have ever said or done that caused you to act that forgive me I I told that I told her that. I said I want to see that same {X} that used to exist and I just wonder why because. Just why.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well what's the opposite? The opposite of used to be? Talking about somebody uh being scared. You might say I can't understand why they're scared now they?
748:  Well they used to be
Interviewer:  They no.
748:  brave they used to be brave.
Interviewer:  They'd you'd say they what talking about they about they about about about being scared they did?
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  They didn't?
748:  Well I'd just say things they used to I see they don't do it now.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  Just like uh.
Interviewer:  They didn't used to be or?
748:  Yeah didn't used to be they.
Interviewer:  Used not to be or?
748:  Yeah. Yeah they used to didn't do so much but they do it now.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  See? And there's two things about that. I've said this about some folks. They used to didn't didn't write. Try to do something but I see they're doing better now. They ain't doing like they used to be they acting more friendly more lovely. And uh act and meet people in a more intelligent way. And uh nothing sweet.
Interviewer:  Now a person who left the house and left a lot of money on the table would be a? You'd say they were a what kind of person?
748:  Well a person left the house and left a lot of money I'd just say they're careless.
Interviewer:  And uh what would you call a person maybe who did things that folks couldn't figure out. They might say they acted the kind of what?
748:  Well they acted sort of suspicious to me. That's all I know.
Interviewer:  Just a little bit?
748:  Suspicious or off.
Interviewer:  Peculiar?
748:  Yeah uh peculiar either one #1 works. #
Interviewer:  #2 Or odd? # Would you ever say that?
748:  Uh either one yeah either one of them words. #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Anything else # you might use? Would you use anything else? Would you ever say queer?
748:  Queer. Well uh I guess I don't know I don't know what that means. When you say that.
Interviewer:  You don't?
748:  I don't know what you mean by that.
Interviewer:  You never heard about anybody talking about being queer?
748:  I've heard folks talk about being queer but what they meant by it I didn't know.
Interviewer:  A person who who made his mind up and he would never change it folks would say to him they'd say why don't you change don't be so?
748:  Well I'll tell you about that I like to tell about folks. Some people got ways their ways.
Interviewer:  And they're what in those ways?
748:  And they're just set in their ways. And they don't need to try and change it.
Interviewer:  Because they're what?
748:  Because they're just they just uh they they they they they and uh all I've seen is just set in their ways. And uh And in a way you
Interviewer:  And what kind of mind would you say they have what kind of?
748:  Well there are two minds about it the way I go about it now if it's bad ways I'd say have him change his bad ways if its the good ways I'd say he have he hasn't changed his good ways.
Interviewer:  If the bad ways you'd say he's a what kind of fella?
748:  What happens is the bad ways I'd just say he's mischievous.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Would you ever say ornery or {C: clock chiming} ornery or {C: clock chiming} {X} {C: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming}
748:  Ornery I know that one yeah. {C: clock chiming} I'd say that. {D: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming}
Interviewer:  Yeah. {C: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming} Well {C: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming} talking about a a {C: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming} what would what would make you change your id- {C: clock chiming} your ways? {C: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming}
748:  Well.
Interviewer:  When you got a different?
748:  Well listen {C: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming} maybe you're different now in other words. {C: clock chiming}
Interviewer:  A different what? {C: clock chiming}
748:  He convinced {C: clock chiming} listen when you {C: clock chiming} and when you come convinced that you were wrong {C: clock chiming}
Interviewer:  When you got a different what? {C: clock chiming} What'd you say? {C: clock chiming} {C: clock chiming}
748:  I said {C: clock chiming} you you change your ways you just become convinced that you were wrong.
Interviewer:  You got a different what
748:  A different idea.
Interviewer:  You ever had that happen?
748:  Yeah I have. Sure I have.
Interviewer:  You might be thinking about something and you'd get?
748:  Well if something sounded like they're thinking about something I'd get a little upset.
Interviewer:  Get an ide-?
748:  And uh.
Interviewer:  Get an idea?
748:  And uh uh if I get an idea I just I just have to say well um my idea is that that person is just ain't just ain't right.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What about somebody who you could never joke with?
748:  Never joked?
Interviewer:  You could never joke with him because he was mighty? You'd say he's a mighty what?
748:  Well {NW} well he all I know is just a fellow who don't know have much to say. That's all I know.
Interviewer:  He's a mighty what kind of fella? #1 He get? #
748:  #2 Mighty mighty quiet. # Son.
Interviewer:  Yeah but he'll get what real easily? He'll get? You know if you if you played a prank on him you'd get he'd get mighty?
748:  Oh well he'd get mighty upset.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what would you say to somebody who was upset? Now it'll be okay just?
748:  Well if I said somebody's up there said well? Uh.
Interviewer:  Everything'll be #1 alright. #
748:  #2 {X} # Now listen to me if he's bothered if it was me I'd say well I'd say if you think I'm wrong I said I'm I'm willing to agree with you in other words if he if if I'm wrong. I'm wrong if I'm right I'm right but the thing about it uh all I asked you to do don't uh get mad when you go out my way.
Interviewer:  Yeah and he get he wouldn't even listen to you he'd be up there yabbering at you #1 and you'd say now just keep? #
748:  #2 Well I # well I'd just say he had to be without reason.
Interviewer:  Yeah and you?
748:  Had no reason.
Interviewer:  You'd say just keep keep?
748:  Well I'd just say just keep going on your ways
Interviewer:  Keep calm? What now just?
748:  Well I
Interviewer:  What now? #1 Blank down. #
748:  #2 {X} # Quiet down.
Interviewer:  Calm? #1 {D: Calm down?} #
748:  #2 {X} # {X} But that guy ever had {X} was talking about something.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
748:  #2 I said well #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # ain't no need to bring that up. Even though they're bringing it up I I don't want to hear it.
Interviewer:  And you say to him now just keep?
748:  And and just keep quiet just keep to yourself.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah? #
748:  #2 Just keep quiet. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # I'll tell you what I would have. Just go up and tell some folks And go tell him he's some things I wish for I wish for him I tell him I said and I'll said now that bless you to change a little. {NW} Tell them that. And it's best you can save the other one.
Interviewer:  Yeah? If a person wasn't mad you'd say he was what?
748:  Well if he wasn't mad he's just uh calm. {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh {NS} now if you'd been working very hard out in the field you you'd come in and you'd say I'm very what? I'm very?
748:  I I I'd be tired.
Interviewer:  Tired? I'm just?
748:  Well I'm just tired just so tired I don't know what to do just tired.
Interviewer:  Okay. And if you were very very tired you'd say I'm?
748:  Well I'd if make um make a little put a little more of a stress too you know. I'm sure am tired today.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Oh I am flat I'm just flat? {NW} I'm flat what flat wo-?
748:  Well I'd just say well I'm just.
Interviewer:  Wore?
748:  I'm just wore out or tired down that's the way I'd say.
Interviewer:  Or uh you might say I'm gonna go over to the bed and? And do what and?
748:  And and and rest because I'm just wore out.
Interviewer:  How about well I'll go over to the couch and what?
748:  Stretch out. And take a rest.
Interviewer:  Stretch out? You mean what? Like uh?
748:  Stretching your body out.
Interviewer:  And do what? #1 You won't sit up you'll? #
748:  #2 {X} # And relaxing. That's what.
Interviewer:  You're not gonna sit up you're gonna what?
748:  Uh just lay down on it a little bit.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh. Now {D: if a person hadn't come home from work really} say they came home from work early one day you might say they did what they must've?
748:  Well when they come home from work going well {X} fancy job I got through that quick today.
Interviewer:  What if they didn't feel well you'd say they #1 {D: had been.} #
748:  #2 Well if they # if they don't uh I wonder how come so-and-so wasn't here that must've been job must've been more than he thought it was.
Interviewer:  Well uh if somebody came home early from school or from work uh because he? He what?
748:  Well sometimes you come home early from school something different ways about that sometimes they come home because you got sick. And sometimes if its work you were doing you got you just got through with it it didn't take as long as you had thought it was gonna be.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. Now you might say alright well he's sick now but he'll be well
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  by?
748:  Well I've he'd be uh well I'd say
Interviewer:  By?
748:  oh he'd be alright tomorrow. You'd say that.
Interviewer:  By?
748:  By tomorrow.
Interviewer:  By by? Hmm?
748:  Well sometime I put that by and by sometimes I'd say oh he'll be alright in a little while I've seen that. In a little while he'll be alright in a little while. Be alright in a little while.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. Uh. Now if you stayed out in the say you went out in the weather and it was rainy and cold it'd make you do what? You'd do what? Well cold. Chilly. Yeah you'd do what it'd make you?
748:  Well it'd just make me feel chilly if I could stay out there and get cold got a cold got just got chilly I didn't feel it.
Interviewer:  And you came back in and you had a sneeze and running nose you'd say I must've?
748:  Oh I've caught a cold out there.
Interviewer:  If if it made you sound like this you couldn't?
748:  Caught a cold.
Interviewer:  But if it if it made you where you couldn't talk you'd say it #1 made you? #
748:  #2 Well I'm just # hoarse.
Interviewer:  And it might give you a? {NW}
748:  #1 Well sometimes #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW} Give you a what?
748:  Sometime a cough.
Interviewer:  A cough and that sort of thing. Uh now you might say uh I'd better go to bed I'm feeling a little bit?
748:  Well I'm feeling a little bit bad or I'm sleepy.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. At uh I go to bed now and at twelve o'clock I'll?
748:  Well sometimes {X} I have a certain time I'll sometimes go to bed around nine o'clock I get ready well its my bedtime.
Interviewer:  And when do you? About six in the morning you?
748:  Well about six or five or well look oh its getting up time.
Interviewer:  Uh so now somebody might be asleep in your bed you might say oh gosh he's gonna be late for the meeting you'd better go? Better go what?
748:  Well you'd better go and get you'd better get up and then go get ready you have to go.
Interviewer:  Somebody go what? Go do what to him somebody go?
748:  Well you'd better get up and get your breakfast and get your clothes on. Clean up.
Interviewer:  You had to go #1 do what? You had to go? #
748:  #2 Get ready to go. # Get ready to go.
Interviewer:  Yeah he was still asleep you had to go what?
748:  Well I was still asleep I just had to wake him wake up wake up wake up.
Interviewer:  Yeah you had to go?
748:  It's time to go.
Interviewer:  You had to go rouse him?
748:  Yeah I got to go wake up wake up get up its time to go time to go now.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um now somebody who can't hear very well they're you'd say they're a little?
748:  Uh hard of hearing that's all #1 I know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
748:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # If they can't hear well at all you'd say they're what?
748:  Well I
Interviewer:  They're just flat?
748:  I'd just say well
Interviewer:  #1 They're flat what? #
748:  #2 he he's uh #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # he just not got good hearing now he's a little bit {D: deef.}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um now you you might've been out in the field and you'd been working hard you'd take your wet shirt off and you'd say look how I?
748:  Perspirate just sweat sweat sweat I'd call it sweat.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Look how I what? Look how I?
748:  Look how I sweat I that's the way I'd call it sweat.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
748:  Well I have sweat. You know just to wring the water out of my clothes.
Interviewer:  Yeah. By the time you had uh uh you uh you came a guy came in and you could see how much he had out in the hot sun you could see how much he had? What he had?
748:  See how much he had sweated.
Interviewer:  Sweated? Uh now if you uh if you got a you remember them things you used to get when people didn't wash say in a dirty shirt would rub up against them they'd get a a a place there you know what they'd call that a?
748:  Well I'd say uh.
Interviewer:  You know it would have a core in it and it would be #1 real sore? #
748:  #2 Well I'd say #
Interviewer:  #1 #
748:  #2 # all I know I'd just say ain't got I I don't see no dirt on his neck or something like that maybe.
Interviewer:  Yeah and it would and he'd get a sore place there.
748:  Yeah well it yeah well it get uh sore neck.
Interviewer:  He'd get a what? He'd get a a kind of a place that would come to a head?
748:  Yeah. Well uh maybe a little rise or a blister.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Or a boi-? Uh if it was a blister what would it have in it? When's the best time to pop a blister?
748:  Well the best time to pop a blister. Well all we're gonna just when I when I detect its there I need to pop it.
Interviewer:  And all that what runs out?
748:  Well uh a little water run out or air sometimes just air.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um well what if it was a rising? Or a you'd say a boil? #1 Would you ever say? #
748:  #2 Well # if I had a rising on my neck I'd just say or a rise anywhere
Interviewer:  #1 And what would the? #
748:  #2 I'd just # I'd just say well this is a rising. I got to put some water and I got to get and you know you got to get really got to get that squeeze and get that core out of it.
Interviewer:  Get out all that what all that stuff that would drain out #1 all that? #
748:  #2 I'd call it # core.
Interviewer:  Coro-? Yeah?
748:  Call it core.
Interviewer:  Corrup-?
748:  Call it that but I just that's my way just saying the core.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  You know I've got 'em and you can pull out you can see a little string that's come off.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Now you'd say a bee stung me in my hand? My hand?
748:  Well if a bee stung me.
Interviewer:  My hand did what #1 it? #
748:  #2 My hand swolled up. #
Interviewer:  Swolled up. It's still pretty badly he bit me two weeks ago and its still badly?
748:  Hey well I still can't handle I ain't got over that yet.
Interviewer:  Yeah my hand is still?
748:  Swole up from that bee sting that's all I know.
Interviewer:  Swo- swole?
748:  Sore from that sting.
Interviewer:  Yeah and it's still what it's still swo-?
748:  Still hurts.
Interviewer:  Still bigger you might say its still swo-?
748:  Well if it's a if it's a if it's a swell and that swell ain't going down I'd say this swelling ain't going down.
Interviewer:  It's still what it's still swo-?
748:  Still still up there rolled up.
Interviewer:  Still what? My hand's still bigger than it should be?
748:  Yeah well
Interviewer:  #1 It's still? #
748:  #2 you. # Still swole.
Interviewer:  Still swole. And uh now if somebody was gonna attack somebody you'd say they took a knife and they?
748:  {D: Staubed him.}
Interviewer:  {D: They staubed it} and it made an a what a knife?
748:  Well it made um a wound.
Interviewer:  Wound?
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Knife wound.
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Now the kind of stuff that you have to get out of a wound it's uh maybe a kind of a skinless growth in there? And they they've gotta burn it out? Some kind of have you ever heard about anything like that? #1 Kind of a? #
748:  #2 I've heard of it # but I don't know what it is.
Interviewer:  Some kind of flesh down in there?
748:  What they call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You ever had a wound and you'd get some kind of flesh down in there? Some kind of? {NW} uh flesh?
748:  Well uh I.
Interviewer:  You ever heard 'em talk about pro- proud?
748:  I've heard yeah proud flesh I've heard of that proud flesh yeah. Proud flesh you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um now when you get just a little cut on your hand you might get out this bottle and it's brown it's got a brown liquid in it and its got skull and crossbones on the front that's what?
748:  Well uh that's um some um. I have used this stuff. {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah?
748:  I don't know what I call it.
Interviewer:  Brown liquid and you put it in a cut it would sting the cut at first?
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  Io-?
748:  There's antiseptic And then there's uh.
Interviewer:  Iodine?
748:  I-Iodine.
Interviewer:  Iodine? What would it did you ever have malaria?
748:  Malo-
Interviewer:  Malaria? What would they give for it?
748:  Well uh.
Interviewer:  That tonic?
748:  I've never had the malaria no {X} I know of if I had it all I'd know is you just have to take some
Interviewer:  Qui-?
748:  some kind of good medicine sometimes quinine's good for it and uh as well as other preparations of iodine that they recommend. And say it {D: black} jaw. Or something know you're moving.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You know back in the old days people used to die and folks couldn't help 'em couldn't wasn't that true?
748:  Folks would die.
Interviewer:  And folks couldn't help 'em.
748:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Like somebody'd be dead a week and nobody would know what.
Interviewer:  They were glad he finally
748:  Passed out {NS}
Interviewer:  Passed out yeah and uh they buried in the what they buried him away in the
748:  Well A cemetery {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  A graveyard we call them graveyards some say graveyard and some say cemetery {NS} But they both mean the same thing to me
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Graveyard is where they bury dead folks
Interviewer:  Yeah did you ever see did you ever see one of them places uh maybe around a church that they buried or one way out in the country what would they call that
748:  Well where they're buried is called a church cemetery Or else if it was away from the church they just give the cemetery another name
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Another name for it
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Because I once I've seen a graveyard the other day {X} in this north field Uh Uh no church around it no house around it nothing Just a place to bury folks {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Graveyard {NS}
Interviewer:  A place where they have a what
748:  Place to bury the dead is all I know
Interviewer:  Yeah now when a man dies you might say he was an important man everybody turned out for his
748:  {NW} Well I'll just say well he she was well thought of
Interviewer:  Yeah a lot of people turned out for his
748:  For his funeral
Interviewer:  Um now the people who are dressed in black you say they're
748:  Well {NS} Black the way I understand it {NW} People who are dressed in black are in mourning
Interviewer:  {NW} What if a woman uh say a woman lost control of herself you'd say she was what
748:  Well if a woman lost control of herself well I'd just say she's uh
Interviewer:  At the funeral
748:  She just uh Went all uh crazy or something like that
Interviewer:  She was mourning she was taken taken hard about it
748:  Oh well {X} Yeah I'd just say they're weeping Like them folks uh Weeping around {X} Folks weeping around that When that little woman's son died no one charged ahead and Christ stopped the funeral procession stopped and told her Stop And he checks that Boy and that boy got up Them folks that you saw weeping with them, mourning with them I'll tell you another thing everybody follow a funeral uh Folks saying saying that they're not going to any any old cemetery Some of them To see what is going on see what's going to be said and something like that And some come Really because they want to console That the bereaved party and some of them even say {D: above that} {NW} It's a little better to try to console
Interviewer:  Now if somebody was troubled you might say oh honey it's going to come out okay just don't
748:  Well if there was in trouble something like that I'd say well
Interviewer:  They were worried they were troubled
748:  In other words I'd say well you were worried about that but uh Uh don't worry about it it'll uh Just live on with it something like that
Interviewer:  Yeah remember that disease that children would get and they'd get it in their they'd get it and they'd choke to death in the night
748:  Well um One of them was
Interviewer:  They choked
748:  It it it it'd be cold Flee
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Accumulate in the cold
Interviewer:  Around world war one and thereafter they used to give people the Schick test to see if they needed shots or you remember di-
748:  Well uh I remember them giving shots to to to keep folks from having different things like I take the flu shots
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Keep me from having the flu
Interviewer:  You remember that disease that children would choke to death it was called dipth-
748:  Uh
Interviewer:  Diphther-
748:  Hmm I don't know about that one
Interviewer:  Diphtheri-
748:  Yes sir I believe I've heard that term
Interviewer:  Um now there was a disease that made your skin turn yellow and made people's arms and body turn yellow and their eyes turn yellow that was what
748:  Well it uh I'd just say they {NW} Well I wouldn't know just exactly how to place that to be honest
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Properly
Interviewer:  They called it yellow j-
748:  Yellow fever I don't know what could it be yellow fever
Interviewer:  Yeah yellow jan-
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Ever heard of janders
748:  I've heard of it yeah
Interviewer:  Okay now some folks get a pain down low in their side they call that what
748:  Well Low in the side they'd just say my my my my my Side hurt or there's some say my stomach hurt Uh I'll have something to grieve enough something like that In other words A pain struck me I don't know what it is
Interviewer:  If it was down low here you'd say it was what
748:  Well if it was down low I'd
Interviewer:  Just I mean a really bad pain
748:  Well a real bad
Interviewer:  Folks used to die from it
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  And they didn't know what it was
748:  Well um {X} I wouldn't know how to answer that I mean what if I
Interviewer:  They might have to have that removed their appe- their
748:  Oh well the appendix Appendicitis they called it {X}
Interviewer:  They had what
748:  Appendix
Interviewer:  Yeah they had a case of
748:  Appendicitis
Interviewer:  Yeah and um now if you ate something that didn't agree with you it'd make you
748:  Well if you eat something that don't agree with you you'd just have to
Interviewer:  You'd have to what you'd have to
748:  You got to make you {NS} In other words it'll make you feel bad and make you belch {NS} And uh Sometimes it It'd cause your Bowel {X}
Interviewer:  Make you what
748:  Well it would just make you
Interviewer:  When you eat and drink things that don't agree with you and they come up
748:  Well make you throw up or something make you heave it up
Interviewer:  Heave it up
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Okay or any other ways of saying it #1 kind of a different #
748:  #2 In other words you'd say # folks would say make you puke
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah or vo- uh
748:  Vomit yeah puke vomit or heave any one of them three things
Interviewer:  What would you what's a more crude term you'd say just vomit or
748:  Well I'd just say Vomit yeah
Interviewer:  And um the more polite would be
748:  Well heave I guess heave
Interviewer:  Okay now you might say
748:  Or throw up I might I'm going to say throw up
Interviewer:  If you vomited you were sick he was what
748:  Well if you vomit Well you'd just say well you just threw up
Interviewer:  Where was he sick
748:  He just Well I just have to he {NW} He puked or something
Interviewer:  Yeah you know uh if it was a little warm or something or you'd eaten the wrong food you might say honey I'm going to go out and get some fresh air I'm feeling a little sick
748:  Or I might just say well
Interviewer:  I'm feeling a little sick
748:  oh I ate something that didn't agree with me that's all I'd say
Interviewer:  I'm feeling a little sick
748:  Stuff don't agree with me because it {NW} Makes me feel bad
Interviewer:  Where does it make you sick
748:  Well my stomach don't feel right
Interviewer:  Makes me sick where
748:  In my stomach
Interviewer:  Sick in my stomach
748:  Yeah sick in my stomach
Interviewer:  Okay um now if you invited somebody over to see you this evening and uh you're going to be disappointed if he didn't come you'd tell him I
748:  Well uh If he didn't come I'd just say this
Interviewer:  I
748:  I sure looked for you
Interviewer:  What
748:  I looked for you to come you didn't come What happened something must have happened to you
Interviewer:  No you were telling say you were talking to him over the phone
748:  Oh oh
Interviewer:  #1 And you were going to tell him that #
748:  #2 oh # Oh yeah I've been looking yeah if I'm talking to him over the phone I'm looking for you to come but you never did come
Interviewer:  Well he didn't come no it wasn't you say you wanted him to come to your house tonight say
748:  Well I'd just ask why you didn't come
Interviewer:  And if he won't come you'd say
748:  How come you didn't come
Interviewer:  You go well okay how come you didn't come now but uh you might say if you don't come I
748:  Well if you don't come I'll just um {NW} You hear well or if you heard me just don't come well I just don't care {NW}
Interviewer:  If you don't come I blank be disappointed I
748:  Yeah well I sometimes you sure did disappoint me I'd say that
Interviewer:  You'd be talking with him you say now I want you to come to my house tonight if you don't come I
748:  Would be disappointed if you
Interviewer:  #1 I won't be #
748:  #2 Don't come #
Interviewer:  Disappointed um or you'd say to him any time you can come to my house I'll be what to see you I'll be
748:  Well I'd be glad to see you
Interviewer:  Or I'll be
748:  Welcome to come
Interviewer:  I'll be
748:  Well it might be
Interviewer:  #1 Proud #
748:  #2 {X} # Be proud to see you be welcome {NW} Be glad to see you
Interviewer:  Okay would does that mean about the same thing as glad
748:  {D: as what}
Interviewer:  Does that mean about the same thing as glad
748:  Uh Glad proud uh about they're all about the same thing really
Interviewer:  Okay now say a boy was leaving a party and he saw a girl leaving too he'd ask her what would he ask her can I
748:  Go with you
Interviewer:  Okay or can I may I what
748:  Could say well may I accompany you home
Interviewer:  Okay or uh if he had a carriage or his own surrey or his wagon or something like that he'd say may I
748:  I'll take you in my wagon I'll take you in my car I'll take you in my wagon I'll take you in the car and get you home
Interviewer:  Okay so he
748:  If he did so he'd be nice enough to do that. I went to folks {NW} Housing they had nice enough {X} {NW} Bring me home {NS}
Interviewer:  When a boy was seeing a lot of a girl spending a lot of time with her going over to her house a lot they'd say he was he was doing what
748:  {NW} Well if he's going over to her house a lot Over to see her I'd say well I'd just say it like this He sure do love that somebody loves to be around them Then another thing you could say a boy {X} There must {NW} There must be something going on along between them {NW}
Interviewer:  He's what
748:  Well he must be He must be going with that girl
Interviewer:  They'd say he's courting her or
748:  Courting her yeah
Interviewer:  Any other ways of saying it they'd say he was
748:  Well just corresponding with her
Interviewer:  Okay were they would they talk about what if he was really serious about her
748:  Well if he's real serious about it Why
Interviewer:  They'd say he was what
748:  I'd just say well he sure did mean it
Interviewer:  Mean what
748:  If he was honest about Uh liked to be in that girl's company or even at the funeral and and and
Interviewer:  About keeping company
748:  And keeping company with her
Interviewer:  Yeah um or what if he was just kind of fooling around with her folks would say he was just
748:  Oh he didn't mean nothing he's just taking up time with her
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  What I'd say
Interviewer:  He doesn't love her he's just what
748:  I'd just say he don't love her he's just taking up time
Interviewer:  He just go on with her or
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Spark her did you ever hear that spark
748:  Well that's sparking yeah that's just uh Being together or that's before they Whether it's for a good purpose or bad Whether it's meant for good or meant for bad
Interviewer:  Yeah now she's she'd be fixing up for her she'd be fixing up for her
748:  Well she's fixing up She was expecting him she'd be fixing up for her company Her friend to come Boyfriend
Interviewer:  Okay other names
748:  What's that
Interviewer:  Other names
748:  Well boyfriend um or man friend or whatever you want to call
Interviewer:  Okay and uh he'd call her his
748:  Girlfriend
Interviewer:  Okay um kind of old funny names you'd have for that maybe you'd say uh oh boy going over to see his what tonight going over to going over to check out his
748:  Well sometimes
Interviewer:  Honey or his thrill steady beau
748:  Well um
Interviewer:  Dummy doll
748:  I don't really know just how to pitch that
Interviewer:  Yeah now a boy would come home with lipstick on his collar
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And they'd say you've been
748:  Yeah Oh yeah you've been I can tell you've been kissing that girl I'll tell you That kind of woman {NS} A man would go with a woman {NW} And she was just one of those women that's you know kept a lot of stuff like that about her And uh Coming in One night His wife Said well I've been so and so {X} I know where you've been you've been seeing with so and so I see all that stuff on your On your collar
Interviewer:  She kept a lot of stuff with her
748:  I'm talking about She's hugging him and kissing him you know Got some of that stuff on on your clothes {X}
Interviewer:  When a girl stops letting a boy come over to see her
748:  Well they just fell out
Interviewer:  She she did what to him
748:  Well she just fell out well in other words she's Lost friendship with him Or dissolved friendship with him
Interviewer:  He asked her to marry him but she
748:  {NW} Well if she asked her to marry him
Interviewer:  But she did what
748:  And she turned him down
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  Turned him down she said no
Interviewer:  Let's say oh boy that that poor boy he just hadn't been the same since she since she what
748:  {NW} Well uh
Interviewer:  Other ways of saying it
748:  #1 Yeah hadn't #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: all of a sudden} #
748:  Been the same in other words Uh hadn't been the same since {NS} I first met him or something like that or uh-huh
Interviewer:  What did she do to him she well what would you say a man did to a woman a man if a man didn't want to see a woman anymore he just did what he
748:  Well if he don't want to see her well I'm just through with you
Interviewer:  #1 He's #
748:  #2 I don't # Want to do with you
Interviewer:  And he did what he
748:  Just just told her I'm through with you and I'm done with you now
Interviewer:  He did what he gave her gave her
748:  Well It was a
Interviewer:  Gave him the sack or gate gave him the
748:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 Axe #
748:  Yeah threw him out of the gate or something like that {NS} Yeah
Interviewer:  Okay now but if she didn't turn him down you'd say they went ahead and got
748:  {NW} Well she didn't turn him down Be {X} Well they finally got married
Interviewer:  Yeah other ways of saying that humorous ways you'd say he got they got what
748:  Well I'd just say they either got together or they got united
Interviewer:  They talking about horses or something like that you'd say they did what
748:  What's that
Interviewer:  Talking about horses or something like that you'd say they got
748:  Horses you said horses
Interviewer:  Yeah would you compare uh uh getting married to to getting two horses together in a wagon
748:  Well I'd just I could say well they finally got together at last
Interviewer:  Yeah got hitched
748:  Got hooked up
Interviewer:  Hooked up jumped the broomstick
748:  Yeah we I've used that word I've heard that word Jump the broomsticks
Interviewer:  Um now at a wedding the man who stands up with the groom is the what
748:  Well the man who stands up with the groom at a wedding I guess uh I'd have to say the preacher in other words sometimes they Sometimes the father I suppose stands up with him I've known that to be happening
Interviewer:  What was the waiter
748:  Well the waiters is uh We just called them waitress uh Somebody to Assist him in getting around no I don't know how to say that
Interviewer:  Okay um now after a wedding would uh there be kind of a noisy bunch of people come around the house
748:  Well after a wedding sometime you have a lot of folk come around you know cheering them up wishing them well and all that {X} {NS}
Interviewer:  Or they might start shooting their guns off all the people in the neighborhood would come around #1 Have a #
748:  #2 I # We've never I've never heard of that now {D: no}
Interviewer:  Would they ever have something at the bride at the groom's house I mean the the married couple's house people would get together and they'd come over and start shooting their guns off or maybe bring a lot of whiskey make a lot of noise start beating on things
748:  Well {X} Things like that but I've never seen it
Interviewer:  Yeah that was a what
748:  Well just a merry party is all I know
Interviewer:  Yeah you ever hear of a shi- a shivar- shivaree
748:  No
Interviewer:  Never heard of a shivaree oh boy now what about somebody who was unpopular in the community maybe he took a maybe he took an unpopular stand in the church or in a political situation
748:  Well I'd just say he's kind of a self-conceited person that's all I know
Interviewer:  Well
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  What might people do
748:  What's that
Interviewer:  What might people do if they wanted to threaten him
748:  Want to threaten him
Interviewer:  Yeah would people ever come around maybe and fire their pistols
748:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # #1 Surround their house #
748:  #2 Sometime people # Come around try to find out how come you don't act
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Like you should
Interviewer:  That was a what they did a
748:  Well uh People trying to To to reason with you uh trying to
Interviewer:  {D: Would ever give people a drummond}
748:  A what
Interviewer:  {D: A drummond that is run him out of community}
748:  Yeah well you mean running folks out of the community
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  I have heard it yeah
Interviewer:  Okay now say you you uh where have you traveled around here besides west have you ever been to been to Memphis been up around Memphis
748:  No
Interviewer:  Okay or Little Rock
748:  I've been to Little Rock
Interviewer:  Just the other day you were
748:  I was at Little Rock to see my son the other day
Interviewer:  You were what
748:  I visited my son that's all I know
Interviewer:  Just the other day you were
748:  Last week uh last Friday I went to see my son visit my son at Little Rock
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
748:  Veteran's hospital
Interviewer:  You were where
748:  Sick
Interviewer:  Just last Friday you were
748:  #1 In Little Rock #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # You were
748:  That I was trying to see my son trying to accompany see how he's getting along
Interviewer:  Yeah you'd say you were up
748:  Well I'd say this now About him now He was up but uh {NW} I've got a sad story for you They'd operated on him so many They thought they was going to have to do it over again that's something that's happening
Interviewer:  Or talking about Monroe
748:  {NW} Well if I it's in Monroe I'd just say well I'm in Monroe, Louisiana
Interviewer:  I was down
748:  Yeah I'd say well I don't yeah I guess so I'd just say I'm down going I think that is south
Interviewer:  I was down
748:  Down south
Interviewer:  Okay uh or uh you might say something like if somebody lives up the hill you'd say he lives where
748:  Well I'd say I well I'd say well so and so he he lives up there on the hill
Interviewer:  Uh okay now four o clock is the time when school four o clock is the time when school
748:  Closes school closing time
Interviewer:  Closes and uh the day after labor day usually is when school
748:  Well Schools uh reopen After Holidays or
Interviewer:  Yeah okay you'd say school uh around the first of September that's when school what when it
748:  School is going to be open for the summer summertime
Interviewer:  When it opens okay if a boy left home to go to school say he didn't show up they'd say he did what
748:  {NS} Well {NS} If he left home to go to school and didn't show up I'd just say well he just {NS}
Interviewer:  He did what he
748:  Well I'd say
Interviewer:  Did you ever do that when you were young
748:  Well I'd say he did no I never did When I got to go what little bit I got to go to school I went I didn't {NS} Every day I went I wouldn't be disappointed See If you didn't show up well I'd just be disappointed I'd be I'd be disappointed if I didn't show up
Interviewer:  You say that boy did what he must have dad gum that boy didn't show up at school he must have played
748:  Well that that boy didn't show up well I'd say this something must have happened
Interviewer:  He bag- he bagged it or he played hooky
748:  Well played hooky when I said happened that'd cover all that you know Hooky or whatnot hooky or sick or whatnot
Interviewer:  You go to school to get
748:  Well you go to school to get an education
Interviewer:  And uh did you ever have any go to high school
748:  Now what
Interviewer:  Did you ever have any kids go to high school
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  And after high school someone might go onto
748:  Yes I have I'm going to college Higher institution of learning
Interviewer:  When you went to school what did you start in
748:  I started in uh What do you call a {X} That's when I started in my day
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  {X}
Interviewer:  They call it anything else other words for it
748:  Let me see
Interviewer:  What'd you sit in
748:  I don't know whether they called it anything else or not right now
Interviewer:  What did you sit in
748:  What'd I see
Interviewer:  Sit in
748:  I would sit on {X} Sit on on homemade plant benches
Interviewer:  Yeah nowadays they have
748:  They have chairs to sit in
Interviewer:  Chairs
748:  oh yes Uh Nice pews to sit in
Interviewer:  And they write on
748:  Well they write on the tablets Write on the they used to have slates to write on
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Write on
Interviewer:  Nowadays they have a table cloth
748:  Well they have a A writing table
Interviewer:  Yeah they call that a what
748:  Well
Interviewer:  Each student has his own
748:  He always had his own own little desk something like that
Interviewer:  Yeah the classroom might have a whole bunch of new new de- talking about a desk
748:  Casket
Interviewer:  No a desk if each student has his own desk
748:  Well
Interviewer:  Then the classroom might have how many
748:  Well It may have it depends That depends on uh In other words how well it depends on how large the room is
Interviewer:  What depends
748:  It depends on if the room is big enough to accommodate
Interviewer:  Accommodate what
748:  To accommodate Uh Say Say twenty students put twenty in there
Interviewer:  And you have twenty what
748:  And you and you have twenty desks {X}
Interviewer:  Okay now a place where you'd go check out books is called a what
748:  Library
Interviewer:  Yeah um now you would stay overnight in a strange town you'd stay in a what
748:  Well I'd stay in a hotel or in a boarding house
Interviewer:  Yeah okay um now uh you mail a package at the what
748:  I mail a package at the post office
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  just say post office or bus station but we we do say {NW} Here we send off to put on {X} #1 Send the package #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah # Now the woman who looks after your son in a hospital is called a
748:  Nurse
Interviewer:  Nurse where would you catch a train when you caught that train to go to California you caught it at the what
748:  Well when I caught the train to go to California I caught it {D: an hour later}
Interviewer:  At the what
748:  At the At the what I call the depot
Interviewer:  Okay call it the rail rail rail what
748:  Well {NS} You mean down {X}
Interviewer:  Railroad
748:  Um
Interviewer:  Railroad depot
748:  Yes
Interviewer:  Hmm
748:  Yeah that's where the depot that's word for it
Interviewer:  What were they called
748:  Let me see depot uh
Interviewer:  Okay now
748:  A station or {NW}
Interviewer:  Alright uh now there's an open place in the middle of a city what do they call that right in there by the courthouse
748:  Well um {NW}
Interviewer:  It's got trees in it and grass grows there
748:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  #1 It's got #
748:  #2 Well um #
Interviewer:  They call that what
748:  Well they just call it um {NS} A Place of amusement {X} Place for amusement's all I can say
Interviewer:  Yeah it's just a town what town
748:  Just a town park amusement you might call it
Interviewer:  Okay are there any greens or places or parks around here anything like that
748:  That's right they got some {NW} Basic parks you know people {X} {NW} They have to have a place for folks to park the cars on their way up Just like we used to have a {X} We hitched our wagons when we went there Couldn't hitch them hitch them anywhere That was a place to hitch our wagon And uh I can remember when uh Way back yonder They had a big show when when uh {X} Could hitch wagon could hitch horses now hitching up wagon horses around before {X} {NW} And then we had a big old trough that we would water our horses down at the courthouse Just lead them up to that trough and you
Interviewer:  Just one
748:  Lead them water Lead them up to the trough you know down to the trough big old Big old Container that'll hold water trough
Interviewer:  They had more than one didn't they I mean
748:  They didn't have more than one just one and they'll refill the water Had it on the courthouse To water your horses Just one only way I know
Interviewer:  Now when you feed your your cattle or stuff like that you had maybe two or three
748:  Well I If I fed my cattle And I have two or three
Interviewer:  Two or three what
748:  Well if I had three three say if I have three cows
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well I'd have to have three troughs to feed them three cows {D: you know}
Interviewer:  Okay um now let's say there were two streets that were crossing and uh you were at the corner of one one of those streets and you had to get through the intersection to the corner of the other street uh instead of walking across one street and then across the other you walked you maybe walked what way
748:  Maybe I'd walk Uh {X} {NS} Well across the streets
Interviewer:  You'd say you were talking compared to the corners of the street you're walking what way
748:  Well Well if I would I'd walk across streets {X} I'd sort of walk around this hall here
Interviewer:  But you went what way
748:  If I if I went if he was around this a way And I then I heard anybody cut across You see
Interviewer:  Yeah you went
748:  I'd cut across you know whichever way I'd cut going you know east north or south I'd cut across you know {NW} Maybe save a few steps
Interviewer:  Yeah you're walking what you're walking
748:  Well when I'm walking {NS} Regards to which way I'm going I just {NS} Just uh
Interviewer:  Walking
748:  Walking um
Interviewer:  Yeah say say you need to get from here to here instead of walking like that you walk
748:  Well I walk across here cut acro- cut across
Interviewer:  Would say catty uh catty something
748:  Well I have said catty but I usually just say I cut across
Interviewer:  Catty what you're walking catty #1 something cornered #
748:  #2 Catty ways or catty cornered #
Interviewer:  Catty ways uh would you talk about any about {D: goblin?} Or something like that or {D: goblin or} {D: any goblin or}
748:  Driving
Interviewer:  {D: Any goblin} Or anything like that you ever heard of that {X}
748:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 Now you remember how them old rail fences went #
748:  Yeah because I would put them up
Interviewer:  They didn't go straight did they
748:  No no
Interviewer:  How'd they go
748:  Well they had to go Zigzaggy
Interviewer:  Zig zag huh okay uh now remember {X} They used to have well they got buses now {X} But what did they used to have they used to have them
748:  Well {NS} You mean you mean in the town
Interviewer:  Yeah they had them uh
748:  Well uh {D: say} {NW}
Interviewer:  {X}
748:  Chauffeurs or
Interviewer:  Well they had them things that rail on on
748:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 Railways on rails and uh #
748:  Well a street car
Interviewer:  A street car did you ever ride one
748:  No sir never did ride
Interviewer:  #1 In San Fransisco #
748:  #2 Yes I oh yes I have rode in a street car #
Interviewer:  In San Fransisco I bet
748:  Sure I rode in a street car
Interviewer:  Now you you rode on one you'd tell the bus driver #1 The ne- #
748:  #2 I want to # Get off say attention please
Interviewer:  #1 Alright #
748:  #2 {X} # I'd get off say attention please {D: after I got to that} S- Got to the phrase I'd pull a little cord When I want to get off
Interviewer:  That'd tell the bus driver that that was where you
748:  Tell him that this is where I want to get off
Interviewer:  Where you wanted you'd say hey this is where I
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Want
748:  Yeah it's either it's either hollering to him Just pull that cord that'd let him know {NS} let him know yes
Interviewer:  That's where you wanted
748:  to stop
Interviewer:  That's where you wanted
748:  To go
Interviewer:  Wanted to go okay now say you had a dog in the house the dog went over to the door and he started scratching on the door you'd say the dog wants
748:  To come in Want to get in the house I'll tell you two things I say
Interviewer:  No he was inside the house
748:  Oh inside he wanted to get out
Interviewer:  He wants
748:  want to get out
Interviewer:  Wants out
748:  Yeah wants outside
Interviewer:  Okay now El Dorado is the what of union county
748:  El Dorado is the I call it the capital of Union county I might say
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  County seat
Interviewer:  #1 It's the county okay #
748:  #2 seat #
Interviewer:  Um now the police in town are supposed to uphold
748:  Well law and order
Interviewer:  Okay uh you remember that war between the north and the south what was that called
748:  Well it was called the ci- I'd call it {X} I heard it called a civil war I think that's better
Interviewer:  Okay did they have any other names for it or do you remember any other names older people might have called it
748:  Hmm let's see Well I can't remember now
Interviewer:  Okay now before they had the electric chair murders were
748:  Well before we had the electric chair they {NS} I guess they
Interviewer:  #1 Murderers were what #
748:  #2 I might say that # might say they shot them
Interviewer:  Or they what
748:  Or hung
Interviewer:  They hung them right murderers were
748:  Hung
Interviewer:  Okay now a man wanted to commit suicide he went out and
748:  Take something to kill hisself
Interviewer:  He went out and did he went out and
748:  Done something to kill hisself all I know whichever whatever way
Interviewer:  Or he went out and
748:  Yeah whatever whatever you done
Interviewer:  Hung
748:  Something to kill hisself
Interviewer:  He might have gone out and done hu-
748:  Well hung hisself
Interviewer:  Hung himself
748:  Yeah well a man hung hisself right over here at this plant yeah
Interviewer:  Did he
748:  Yes
Interviewer:  Why
748:  White man
Interviewer:  Why is that
748:  Oh it's Been years ago now I can't tell the year it's been years ago but anyhow that man {X} That man Uh went out there in the edge of the woods someone to put a rope around his neck and then he jumped off broke his neck {NW} Um Kill you know Rope around the neck And jumped over that tree over there I mean he jumped {NW} Over what he was standing on another limb Because that's what he had to clamp on then When and tied his rope and tied around his neck and then he jumped And then he jumped off That broke his neck Guy done right up here at the {X}
Interviewer:  Hmm
748:  Committed suicide
Interviewer:  You know what that you know what that big town is uh uh well north of here on the Mississippi river it's in Missouri they call it saint
748:  Saint Louis yeah Saint Louis I know that
Interviewer:  Saint Louis what
748:  Yeah well Missouri
Interviewer:  Okay um how far is it from here to uh to uh {X}
748:  It's said to be fourteen miles
Interviewer:  Okay uh now um if a man is funny say a man is funny and you liked him you'd say I like him
748:  Oh he's just a jolly old fellow that's all I know to say He's just a I like to hear that old I like him you know he's so jolly
Interviewer:  Why do I like him why do you like him
748:  Well because he's so cheerful he's always got something funny to say #1 Cheer you up #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay #
748:  Cheer me up
Interviewer:  Now uh when you could have when you could have used help for something say you were doing a chore that you could have used help for you might ask afterwards why did you just sit around blank of helping me why'd you sit around of helping me uh
748:  Now you mean uh You said in a store now
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Well now in a store you know you know what if
Interviewer:  No no no not in a store just doing a chore by yourself
748:  Oh to well
Interviewer:  And your say one of your sons was just watching
748:  If if if he's over there chilling around If anybody happens happens to somebody they need help I'd just why did you help them just like I Going to the hospital once and I had uh my d- Carrying my daughter to the hospital and she had these blackouts Well she Had one of those blackouts she just fell out {NS} And uh there's a young white gentleman coming up the hill in his car now And he just stops his car right quick Jumped out see what he could do to help us See {NS} Because he had that Much feeling for Serving humanity
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  That's that's how come he does
Interviewer:  Now but if he'd been a scoundrel he would have
748:  Oh no no he just kept going
Interviewer:  He would have driven on ins-
748:  He'd have just drive on pay paid no attention Maybe tell tell folks and all what he's seen
Interviewer:  Instead
748:  But at the same time won't won't tell the folks that I {X} {NW}
Interviewer:  But
748:  He kept going
Interviewer:  Yeah but but he stopped
748:  What I told you yeah But he stopped and helped
Interviewer:  Yeah now if you got a job that was hard to do all by yourself you might say to somebody you might say uh you might say well you might
748:  Well if I had job to do and wanted to do it #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 I'm al- I done that job now but you might have #
748:  Well I {NS} I've done that job You might have you might have you might find something wrong but you might have to do it over
Interviewer:  Or or you said to somebody you might say why do you just sit there watching me work you might have
748:  Helped me
Interviewer:  Huh
748:  Might have helped me
Interviewer:  Might have helped me okay uh or talking about uh if you gave somebody two choices you you asked him to do one but he did the other ins- but you asked him to do one but
748:  Maybe {NS} Well if I asked him to do Asked him to do it I'd just say well he just wouldn't do so and so Wouldn't do like I told him that's what
Interviewer:  But he did the other instead right you'd say you asked him to do one but
748:  But he done so and so
Interviewer:  But he he what he
748:  Just just just just didn't obey me I could say that
Interviewer:  He did the other #1 {X} #
748:  #2 Thing that I said I don't know #
Interviewer:  Instead
748:  Instead That's a good way to put it
Interviewer:  You asked him to do this but
748:  He done that
Interviewer:  Instead now you say
748:  Yeah done that instead of doing what I told him he done that
Interviewer:  Okay um alright now uh in church the preacher delivers a
748:  Well the preacher delivers a gospel message that's what he's supposed to do
Interviewer:  You say oh preacher that was a fine
748:  Yeah well now listen {NS} Uh {NS} Now when it comes to his preaching just like speaking {NS} Everybody don't have the same ability To deliver nothing {NS} And some folks Now I say with some folks some folks {NW} Can try to tell you to {X} Go around any old area you you uh You listen at them Tell you which speaker which speaker you listen and when they get through with it they tell it in such a way you don't know more {NS} You don't know more {NS} When they started you did when they started you have another fellow {NS} Tell he look like a just {NS} {D: you get strings on} You get someone who looks like they'll see it {NS} He knows how to explain a thing so you're going to see it {NS} See explain a thing so we can see it and understand yet another fellow he He just he he he don't have that ability {NS} The same thing about preaching {NS} Uh some preachers
Interviewer:  That delivery
748:  Yeah that deliverance {NS} They have a better deliverance than the other
Interviewer:  Delivering a good
748:  A a good message or something like that
Interviewer:  The ser- the
748:  The sermon {X} {NS} Has a better gift to do it
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Because I've heard preachers that uh They'll say and say this They'll say and say they're saying the truth but the way they says it it didn't have no bang and I've heard preachers preachers saying {X} {NS} Just like singing a song Some folks it's raise a song and sing it And it's dry I I just call it dry {NS} And others raise a song and sing and it puts in such a way you know and it look it just has its bang
Interviewer:  The you just say the they don't have any what kind of a building they don't have any
748:  Well they just don't have a an ability to do that because in other words
Interviewer:  To make
748:  It is their talent Sometimes a person tries to do something they ain't talented
Interviewer:  They don't have a talent to make
748:  Yeah a gift that is it is a gift where you need a talent to make that speech {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Or to make To make la la la la la #
748:  #2 {X} # And lead it ain't your talents to
Interviewer:  Or some people's talent don't have a talents can't be in a choir because they don't have a talent to make
748:  Well
Interviewer:  To make mu-
748:  To make music or to Preach or to teach or to speak {NS} all that
Interviewer:  But uh now you might say oh the music this morning was just it was really beau- music
748:  Well {NS} Now {X} It depends on setting on them just at church {NS} You go to church It depends on what sort of attitude what sort of shape you was in when you went to church
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  See And um If you was in the spirit and the right attitude The song will like lift you up and pick you up {NS} And if you ain't Why you go to church it's {NS} Just another day
Interviewer:  Yeah but you might one day the songs might just sound beau- you say oh the songs just sound
748:  Beautiful
Interviewer:  Beautiful
748:  Beautiful and lovely oh I just feel joy So beautiful
Interviewer:  Yes sir Now you might be going to church and on the way to church you had a flat tire you'd say uh
748:  Well I I hate having this flat tire I'm going to look like I
Interviewer:  #1 Church will be over #
748:  #2 {X} # Yeah church will be maybe over when I get there
Interviewer:  Church is going to be over
748:  It's going to be over and I'll miss the start but I I don't mean actually on time
Interviewer:  Yeah the enemy and the opposite of God is called
748:  The devil
Interviewer:  #1 Okay when you #
748:  #2 Satan #
Interviewer:  Yeah any other names for him they call him
748:  Let me see
Interviewer:  #1 Old scratch #
748:  #2 the Devil # Satan uh
Interviewer:  Old scratch you ever hear that
748:  Uh I've heard that and I've read it too
Interviewer:  Do you ever talk about a fellow who maybe when you were a kid if you didn't behave this guy was going to get you #1 the who was gonna get you #
748:  #2 well # If you don't behave yourselves the devil is going to get you
Interviewer:  Or okay or the boo-
748:  The boogeyman
Interviewer:  Boogeyman is he the same thing as the devil or
748:  Well I don't know {NW} I think so that that was a mere just just
Interviewer:  Yeah when you go by when you go by a kind of a place at night maybe and they say it's got what in it it's got all them things that are white maybe or some of them are all sort of different maybe some of them what is it they think they see around a graveyard
748:  Well now in a graveyard well I see lots of Flowers Go out go by this flower place I see lots of flowers
Interviewer:  What about at night
748:  Well at night
Interviewer:  It would frighten
748:  Well at night of course now if I go by a place like that If it don't have no lights I don't see the flower
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  They don't have it lit up But if it's lit up I see them
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  But if it's lit up I can see them at night
Interviewer:  Around a graveyard at night
748:  Well a graveyard at night well You can't just see nothing Maybe maybe you maybe you it's on the tombstones oh and that's all just all
Interviewer:  Yeah what might folks see there them white things that would float around at night
748:  Well uh
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  You might see a hand {NW} A spirit
Interviewer:  Yeah any other names for them folks call them
748:  Either spirit Hands And a ghost
Interviewer:  Ghost yeah
748:  Oo
Interviewer:  #1 and now you #
748:  #2 ghost #
Interviewer:  what about those places that that uh them old houses that were back in the woods folks folks wouldn't go to them they'd say they were
748:  Were haunted
Interviewer:  Haunted
748:  {NW} I thought you said haunt Somebody died in there
Interviewer:  Have you ever had anything like that happen to you
748:  No
Interviewer:  Now you might say often when I go to sleep I
748:  Only only this now now now like listen {NS} If I said telling somebody {NW} I've heard some rackets around this house I've even One or two nights {X} {NW} {X} I guess something look like I'm tapping I got up and went around and looked all around the house and never see anything Didn't see nothing Tell you
Interviewer:  But you thought you heard
748:  A spirit I just say a spirit
Interviewer:  It must have been
748:  It must have been a hand or a spirit sometimes let me tell you another thing if somebody died well I'd say it must have been so and so's Spirit
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Like {NW} Just like that uh bumping well it's a clang with them dishes I was going back there
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  I hear bop {X} {NW} I'll tell you what I just said I said {X} Mister {B} I said I apologize and to your wife. Paid him the money for it {NW} I let him know That went {NW} All the way that thing back yonder
Interviewer:  Yeah somebody say you didn't hear nothing and you might say thought I heard s-
748:  Well somebody might say to me yeah but I {X} rackets {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 They'd say #
748:  #2 {X} # Most everybody else boy that racket but but when it comes to seeing things everybody would see them
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Everybody sees {NS} Spirits
Interviewer:  They'd say I think I heard
748:  Yeah I think I heard something I heard a Curious noise I wonder what it was
Interviewer:  I think I heard heard something
748:  Yes
Interviewer:  Okay um now uh let's see somebody might give you a choice of doing two things and you'd tell him which one you you'd say uh somebody gave you a choice
748:  Well I'd say uh
Interviewer:  Well one
748:  Well I tell you what I'll just take this one
Interviewer:  This is the one I
748:  Uh uh uh uh I I make a choi- uh choose
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Just like that second chair in there that That chair there I thought I thought I'd sit down and lean back In there Uh a white friend of mine {NS} Heard me calling over this buy and sell program {X} So and so got something to sell so and so bought {NW} And she heard my voice she said I knew that man's voice She even got the telephone book Showed that it was {NW} But she happened to be because she had sold something through that Medium you see {NW} And she knew where there was three chairs She said man {NS} You go down and pick you up you get whatever you want Go down and look at them see if there's any one you like I did went there and I picked out one I want two {X} Oh that pretty sofa {X} {NW} Were just like that sitting that just like sitting there like {NW} Well I'll choose that kind of chair
Interviewer:  She gave
748:  The cheapest now it's the cheapest but I didn't choose it because it was cheap {NW} Because I I choosed {NW} Because I knew this in my condition I could keep it cleaned up better {NW} {X} I just wipe it off All I got to do just wipe it off so I made the choice of that one She bought it and give it to me
Interviewer:  She
748:  I had I had my choice either one or three of them But I choose that one {NS}
Interviewer:  Uh
748:  I can sit down {NS} {NW} {NS} {NW} {NS}
Interviewer:  Now {NS} You might you say okay I have if I had your choice might say but I
748:  I'll choose this one I like this one better I'll take or I'll take this
Interviewer:  That one's nice but I
748:  I might say I'll take this one {NS}
Interviewer:  Or or somebody might ask you to go to town you say I'll go if you insist but I but
748:  Well uh Person asked me to go to town
Interviewer:  If you insist I will but I
748:  I'm not particular about going
Interviewer:  I'd r-
748:  but I'll tell you if you uh
Interviewer:  I'd
748:  Just insist on on me going I I will go along
Interviewer:  But I
748:  I'll go with you
Interviewer:  But I what I I would you say I would
748:  All I know to say is just say yes I'll go
Interviewer:  But I'd r-
748:  Rather stay
Interviewer:  Rather stay
748:  I have went I have went to places that uh Course folks ask me to go {NS} And uh I went on and some some of the places I went I'm glad I went and some of them {X}
Interviewer:  Okay now you might you might go outside and uh and you might say you might come back in you'd say oh you better put a sweater on it's getting
748:  Well
Interviewer:  Getting right
748:  Or I'd just say if I go outside then I'd realize oh it's chilly out there I didn't know it When I went to go to church on Sunday {X} {NS} And I got out there and I said I want to have my old coat on but I didn't
Interviewer:  Well you say it's getting uh it's getting r-
748:  Well it's getting getting it's it's getting it's getting cold
Interviewer:  #1 It's getting #
748:  #2 Cool # Cool
Interviewer:  You say oh it's getting rather
748:  Uh cool cooler than I thought
Interviewer:  Hmm
748:  Cooler than I thought it was
Interviewer:  It's getting what r-
748:  Just getting cold all I #1 know #
Interviewer:  #2 Rather cold #
748:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Huh
748:  Yes and I would say cold all I know
Interviewer:  Okay uh now if somebody had a thousand acres of land you'd say they had how much land it's like boy he's got a what of land
748:  Well I'd just say he's sure got a lot of land
Interviewer:  A right a r-
748:  Uh a big a big big plot of land all I know to say
Interviewer:  He's got a right a right what of land a right
748:  Well a right Big Right big spot of land is all I know how to say it
Interviewer:  Right smart of land
748:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  That's a lot would you ever say something caused a right smart of pain
748:  Well a right smart and I'd say well it didn't cost me so much
Interviewer:  Yeah okay um now uh when you meet somebody on the street what would you say to them
748:  {NW} Well that depends
Interviewer:  Why what if they were a friend
748:  Uh
Interviewer:  What what might you ask him
748:  Well sometimes well I just Ask them how you're feeling
Interviewer:  Okay
748:  Hello there how you feeling? {X}
Interviewer:  Or if you're introduced to a stranger
748:  Well If I've been I'm proud to meet you
Interviewer:  Okay and uh somebody was leaving and you've enjoyed their visit you might say
748:  I'm sorry to see you go
Interviewer:  Won't you come
748:  Come back again
Interviewer:  Come back again uh or a bunch of friends were leaving your house and you might say well
748:  {NS} Well I'm just proud y'all come
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Proud y'all come to the come back again proud you come here
Interviewer:  Okay um now what when you meet somebody around the twenty-fifth of December what do you say to him
748:  Well meet somebody {X} Uh well Christmas is almost here Maybe sometimes say that or maybe sometimes say well Uh {NS} Holidays is almost here and then sometimes I say this I say well Uh That old day that our savior was born is right here by us again
Interviewer:  Okay would you say anything any by way of you know say anything to him like it's Christmas day you see somebody on the street what would you say to him what would you say to a child
748:  Well I'd just say maybe a Christmas gift I'd say that
Interviewer:  Would that be just a joke with them
748:  Yeah just a joke
Interviewer:  Okay or would you ever say anything else to a child you might say
748:  Well
Interviewer:  Me-
748:  I would say well {X} Christmas and then I'll give a child something
Interviewer:  Merry
748:  Merry Christmas
Interviewer:  Okay and then on the first of the year you'd say
748:  {NW} well Happy new year to you
Interviewer:  Or would you ever say new years
748:  New years gift
Interviewer:  New year's gift
748:  on New year's day on new year's gift yeah
Interviewer:  What would you say to somebody by way of appreciation to them
748:  Well by way of I sure do thank you
Interviewer:  I'm much
748:  I'm so much I'm highly pleased so I sure thank you so much for what you've done
Interviewer:  Or I'm much much
748:  Appreciated
Interviewer:  Much obli- much
748:  Oh I'm much obliged yeah well that's said I'll say that too much obliged
Interviewer:  Now some people don't want to take any any kind of charity or anything do they because they don't want to be what to other people
748:  Well said won't take no charity because they don't want to do what the other people
Interviewer:  They don't want to be
748:  Well I'll tell you Uh
Interviewer:  I don't care to be what
748:  Well in other words {NS} I don't care to be for people to think I'm going around think I'm in need
Interviewer:  Don't care to be
748:  And and listen listen listen listen Another thing {NS} Some folks don't want to take it And some same folk come around here if they can't they steal it {NS} They don't Uh {NS} See nobody giving them nothing won't take what nobody give them that somebody's given them
Interviewer:  Yeah they don't want to be what to other people
748:  Don't want to be appreciative
Interviewer:  Don't want to be beh-
748:  Beholden to nobody
Interviewer:  Yeah um when you went in the store to the store would the would the storekeeper ever give you something and say it was for say it was for what
748:  Well I've had folks give me pieces I've had people oh they'll tell you Uh here ge-ge- Here's a sample Like I went in the store some time {NW} They had little little bit of cake a little bit of pie or something like that they're advertising {NW} And they Here take a here get get you a sample it's a sample take it
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah or a free they give a free #
748:  #2 Yeah yeah # A free gift a sample something
Interviewer:  Lagniappe or you ever hear that
748:  What's that
Interviewer:  You ever hear of lagniappe or
748:  I don't know about that
Interviewer:  {X} Pile on they just give it to you for a pile on
748:  I don't know about that
Interviewer:  Okay uh now when you took a piece when you made a purchase now the store keeper took a piece of paper and he
748:  Well he uh #1 Well I'd use #
Interviewer:  #2 He'd put the purchase in the paper and he #
748:  Well I just he showed me uh Wrapped it up nice or he
Interviewer:  Okay and when you got home you
748:  Just opened it up
Interviewer:  You 'un- you
748:  Unfolded it
Interviewer:  Okay uh now say a store keeper sold something for two fifty and he bought it for three dollars you'd say he was selling it
748:  Cheaper than he bought it
Interviewer:  #1 He was he was selling it #
748:  #2 In other words he # he's selling for less than what he paid for
Interviewer:  At a what at a he was taking a what on him
748:  Well he just
Interviewer:  Taking a lo-
748:  A loss {NS} On his own sale for item for sale
Interviewer:  Okay now you might admire this tractor or something like that but you might say well I don't think I can buy it because I don't have enough money you'd say
748:  Well I said that sometime I
Interviewer:  It just what it
748:  Well I I I I admire it all right
Interviewer:  But
748:  Say it this way sometimes I don't have the money and sometimes I don't Uh {NS} I couldn't use it I could need it I've seen things I need but {NS} Uh there's things I need I can't use like I need a car but I couldn't use it
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay or you'd say honey that uh that tractor just uh
748:  Well it sure is a good looking tractor but I just
Interviewer:  But it what it
748:  Uh it
Interviewer:  It's
748:  It's a good looking tractor or I'd love to have it sometimes I just well I'd love to have it but I just don't think I can use it after I got it {NW} Or I can't pay the price for it
Interviewer:  Why couldn't you pay the price because it
748:  Ain't got the money too high
Interviewer:  It cost
748:  It costs too much {NS}
Interviewer:  Uh now um on the first of the month the bill is
748:  Well {NW}
Interviewer:  First of the month is when the bill is
748:  First of the month They send out a due bill I call that a well I'm gonna tell you what I call I call that a done but it isn't it's just a notice to Time to pay your bill
Interviewer:  The bill is
748:  Due it's due
Interviewer:  Yeah do you belong to any clubs
748:  What's that
Interviewer:  You belong to any clubs or anything
748:  No I don't
Interviewer:  Did you ever belong to a club of any sort
748:  No I don't {NS} {X}
Interviewer:  That that sort of thing now when you belong to a club to stay in good standing you have to pay your monthly
748:  Well you pay your monthly dues {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Pay to get in there and then pay a due to stay in there {NW}
Interviewer:  That's a mad thing
748:  You bet it is {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 Uh #
748:  #2 I pay the dues to get in there just like an insurance # {NS} I pay insurance {NS} File some insurance well {NS} Uh and so and says I had to pay to get in there I got to pay To stay in there
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  Got a daughter right now I pay her insurance because she {X} {NW} And I don't know what's going to happen to her and I know that's good insurance {NS} So I just pay I pay seventy-one dollars twice a year right now for her On her insurance {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  {X} Insurance takes uh leave her with life insurance {NS} I pay that for her because she {X} And uh I pay it just because she could get sick or something like that and have some protection because I do know She has been down and I know what that company's done for her {NW} First time I carried that Insurance paper to the To the hospital My wife Went to {X} At the hospital And uh I had never heard nobody say except the one that saw it that it's good insurance But I forget what that woman was called at one {X} and I showed her she said oh boy we got something good here {NS} That made me feel good you know That I was carrying a worthwhile insurance And and they did bill Everything they said they'd do they done it They do it
Interviewer:  Yeah now if you need to cut the grass say and you don't have a lawn mower
748:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 You # You might go over to your neighbors and and what
748:  Well now I don't have a lawn mower I might go to the neighbor to try and borrow his mower
Interviewer:  Uh what about money
748:  Well
Interviewer:  {NW}
748:  I need a little money and I ain't got it I go to my neighbor somebody or some {NW} Lend you a dollar I'll lend you four or five dollars something like that
Interviewer:  Yeah
748:  If I get out and ain't got none {NW} Because I have been there