779:  {B}
interviewer:  And your address?
779:  {B}
interviewer:  How long have y'all lived down here?
779:  um It will be seventeen years in September. quite a while
interviewer:  and the name of this community?
779:  It's Werner Park.
interviewer:  Do you know the town?
779:  #1 Shre- #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
779:  Shreveport
interviewer:  And the parish and state?
779:  it's Caddo Parish Louisiana {NW}
interviewer:  And where were you born?
779:  {X}
interviewer:  not a good town
779:  good town Shreveport
interviewer:  What area did you grow up in?
779:  Shreveport
interviewer:  This area right here or?
779:  No uh this area right not too far from here called Ingleside {NS} I haven't moved very far. {C: laughing}
interviewer:  and your age?
779:  thirty-six {NS}
interviewer:  and occupation
779:  housewife {NS}
interviewer:  have you ever worked outside your house?
779:  no
interviewer:  do you ever want to?
779:  well it may come to that {C: laughing} and if it does I you know I'm willing but I never have {NS}
interviewer:  and your religion?
779:  Baptist
interviewer:  and tell me about your education um starting with the name of the first school you went to and how long you went
779:  #1 um #
interviewer:  #2 there #
779:  the first school I went to uh was Claiborne elementary
interviewer:  {X}
779:  um if well it's back over that {X} where I was raised I don't know if you'd actually say it's in Ingleside
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  or uh Claiborne they kinda call it Claiborne subdivision I think it's {X} towards where I was raised
interviewer:  and how long did you go there?
779:  six years
interviewer:  and then talk about your junior high school {C: inferred from context, can't actually hear anything beyond "talk"}
779:  uh Lakeshore Junior High
interviewer:  and how long did you go there
779:  uh two years
interviewer:  that was in the same neighborhood?
779:  no it's way over uh I don't know what you'd call that section really the school is on Lakeshore drive I don't know I really don't know what to call that that section of town #1 I could take you if you want me to {C: laughing} #
interviewer:  #2 what about # what about high school?
779:  Fair Park Fair Park High
interviewer:  and you graduated?
779:  mm-hmm {NW}
interviewer:  and did you go to school after that anymore?
779:  no
interviewer:  um tell me about the things that you're involved with if you're active in church or clubs or anything like that
779:  well yes we're very active in church {NW} uh I don't really belong to any any clubs you know anything like that uh {NW} was it an I don't know
interviewer:  hmm does it okay {NS} what what all do you do in church
779:  uh well I am uh a sponsor for the first and second grade choir choir sponsor
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and uh
interviewer:  and that's what you want your little girl to do?
779:  my little boy she's in preschool uh my {C: throat clear} boy's in this choir and um well I I I help in um preschool church
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  preschool now let me see what else oh uh I work part time in the library at church
interviewer:  is the library mainly for children?
779:  oh no it's for everybody children on up {C: laughing}
interviewer:  where do y'all um
779:  {NW}
interviewer:  is uh most of this donated or
779:  oh no uh-uh uh there there are some donated but we buy a lot of 'em the library and {X} in fact most of them I think you know are bought but then we do have you know some donated as memorials and this kind of thing {NW}
interviewer:  any clubs? {C: mic bump} outside of church that you {C: mic bump}
779:  um no uh we've got the school P-T-A would that be considered
interviewer:  what about travel have you ever traveled?
779:  no {C: laughing} when my mother lived in Pennsylvania we went up there and I've been to Mississippi and course I've been to places in Texas but outside of that that's that's about it
interviewer:  where in Mississippi have you been?
779:  Grenada
interviewer:  where's that?
779:  well uh you know where uh mm Jackson you know where Jackson is it's about a hundred miles I can't tell you where east west or what of Jackson but well you know where Memphis, Tennessee well it's about a hundred miles from Memphis
interviewer:  oh that's in the valley isn't it?
779:  I don't I don't actually {X}
interviewer:  {X}
779:  that's where my sister #1 lived {C: laughing} #
interviewer:  #2 oh I see #
779:  {X} ten or eleven years
interviewer:  tell me about your parents where they lived and all that their education and
779:  #1 uh hmm #
interviewer:  #2 so on #
779:  now my mother she was born and raised in Shreveport and uh goodness I believe she went to uh to Claiborne Claiborne elementary too but from and and she graduated from Fair Park but and you know I don't believe they had uh {NS} junior high
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  back then so she must have gone I don't know if she went six or seven years you know to Claiborne and then she must have gone straight from there to Fair Park
interviewer:  did
779:  she she did graduate from Fair Park
interviewer:  did she do work outside
779:  oh yes yeah she's still working {C: laughing}
interviewer:  what does she do?
779:  uh {NW} well she's done mostly secretarial work
interviewer:  for places here in Shreveport?
779:  uh yes uh she worked for uh a couple of insurance companies but right off I can't remember the names
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and uh right now she works for Oracle Gas
interviewer:  where did she when she was living in Pennsylvania huh {C: mic bump} was that with
779:  uh yeah she was transferred up there and at the time she was working here with city service
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and they transferred to Pennsylvania
interviewer:  for what years was that?
779:  oh goodness uh {C: laughing / throat clear and mic bump} let me see let's see {X} she came back from that {X} that said she was only sixty she must've you mean now you mean what years did she live up #1 there #
interviewer:  #2 mm-hmm #
779:  I told you at church you know she lived up there about six years that was wrong it was two and a half years uh
interviewer:  #1 on the last your father #
779:  #2 {X} # uh no let's see it was in the early it was in the early sixties
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  I can't remember anything I think
interviewer:  well that's close enough um {X}
779:  oh yes
interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
779:  #2 mm-hmm #
interviewer:  what about your father?
779:  well now he was born in Cason, Texas
interviewer:  {X}
779:  Cason
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  I'm not sure uh it's C-A-S-O-N I presume {C: laughing}
interviewer:  where is that in Texas
779:  I do not know {C: laughing} my mother just told me he was born in Cason, Texas and I don't have any idea where it is
interviewer:  was is that not where he grew up?
779:  no he grew up in Bunkie
interviewer:  Louisiana
779:  Bunkie, Louisiana
interviewer:  {X}
779:  {X}
interviewer:  did did he speak French or? {C: mic bumping}
779:  uh no not really {C: laughing}
interviewer:  what about his education
779:  and that is something I cannot tell you about because he he lived in twenty-seven different places while he was a child his father worked for the railroad {C: laughing} and they moved they moved all over the place he went to twenty-seven different schools when he was a child can you imagine so I just don't know anything about where he got his education
interviewer:  how far did he go in school
779:  uh really I do not know that I'd hate to tell you you know that he finished high school because I really don't know my father is dead now
interviewer:  but you think he got some part of schooling
779:  I imagine he did
interviewer:  what sort of work did he do?
779:  uh well he did a lot of different things {NS} he uh he worked for a place called standard brass and that was kind of uh well they had to do with refrigeration and things like that
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and then he worked for uh an electric company Ken electric {NS}
interviewer:  {X}
779:  mm-hmm
interviewer:  tell us all about your um well first of all what was your mother's maiden name
779:  her maiden name was {B}
interviewer:  and tell me about {X} where they were born
779:  uh her mother was born in east Texas and I don't know what place
interviewer:  did she grow up in
779:  #1 mm-hmm #
interviewer:  #2 east Texas? #
779:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # what was do you know what your grandmother's maiden name was
779:  um let me see oh yeah {B} {B}
interviewer:  how much education did your grandmother have? {C: mic bump}
779:  uh I don't know {C: laughing} she did not you know finish high school or anything like that there were twelve children and her father was blind totally blind and her mother of course you know didn't have a lot of help
interviewer:  do you think you could your grandmother read and write {X}
779:  oh yes oh yes she can read and write
interviewer:  is she still living
779:  mm-hmm
interviewer:  um what sort of work has she done
779:  uh the only time I can really remember her working uh is she worked in a factory where they made fishing baits it was just called a bait factory I guess
interviewer:  {X}
779:  uh she's been a housewife most of her life she too has worked a few years
interviewer:  what about your um grandfather on your mother's side {C: mic bump}
TV:  {X}
779:  um I don't know where he was born and I don't know where he was raised uh I d- I I I can tell you a little bit about uh his now not his father but his mother
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  his mother was a full blood Indian
interviewer:  um
779:  {X} I don't know {C: laughing}
interviewer:  did you ever meet her?
779:  no no she uh I guess she was dead I don't I don't I never saw his mother and father she was a full blood Indian and I know nothing about his father
interviewer:  {X}
779:  {NW} oh yes
interviewer:  mm-hmm what sort of work did he do?
779:  uh he worked for the uh glass factory
interviewer:  mm-hmm in Shreveport?
779:  yes mm-hmm
interviewer:  what kind of work did he do there
779:  uh he worked on this uh great big uh machines I don't know what they're called anyway he did some kind of machinery work
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  mm {NW}
interviewer:  do you know um can you trace your ancestry back on the other side? {X}
779:  uh if you can turn that off just a minute I can get you something
interviewer:  okay
779:  my son is doing that in school right now I don't know if he's got that with him or not {X} something in school and he's been working on this {X} at least it's my husband I mean my uh yeah my husband's mother's right there
interviewer:  uh-huh
779:  uh
interviewer:  how are they getting the information from
779:  uh from family bibles and you know uh okay let's see my mother's uh okay we have her father's name oh you don't have a {D: photo of him} do you?
interviewer:  I'm not sure #1 what was his name? #
779:  #2 his # his name is {B}
interviewer:  oh okay {X}
779:  oh and here's where he was born are you okay?
interviewer:  yeah
779:  he was born in Atlanta, Texas do you have to know the year?
interviewer:  no this is {X}
779:  place mm-kay and he grew up in Shreveport, Louisiana is what this says oh no he died in Shreveport
interviewer:  oh
779:  #1 excuse me #
interviewer:  #2 what # does it say where your grandmother was born? your mother's mother
779:  uh
interviewer:  you said east Texas
779:  oh yeah here it is Sulphur Springs, Texas I'm glad he had this {C: laughing} okay well let's see here now you would want my grandfather's father's name right {C: laughing} uh let me see {B} I hope I'm going right on this {NS} {NS}
interviewer:  where was he born? {NS}
779:  he does not have the place he's just got the year down here the year is eighteen fifty
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  but he does not have a place uh he's got in here that he died in Atlanta, Texas
interviewer:  mm-hmm your family has all those old bibles?
779:  uh my grandmother has one and my husband's mother has one so she was the baby in her family there was about eight or nine children in her family and she was the baby and they always give it to the youngest child and she brought him uh they just went home this weekend they came came back and she brought him this huge family bible and it's really coming apart it's so old it's over a hundred years old and it's got all this stuff in it and my grandmother's um she she just remembers you know some of hers and she's let me look through a lot of them in her bible
interviewer:  do you have any idea of when your mother's people came to southeastern Louisiana? or before they came
779:  when my mother's people come? uh
interviewer:  how far {X}
779:  well he's got uh um on my husband's mother's side he's got he's gone back to the revolutionary war
interviewer:  gosh
779:  so uh he's going back just as far I don't really know you know if they if the teacher has told them that they have to go back you know to a definite time it's just as far back as they can go I guess
interviewer:  are any of your husband's people from Mississippi? {C: mic bump}
779:  no mm-mm uh no his people are from um well his father at least {X} he grew up I don't know where he was born uh but he was born in Glenmora, Louisiana where he now lives
interviewer:  this is your husband's father?
779:  mm-hmm
interviewer:  {X} what parish is Glenmora in?
779:  uh it's in Rapides I believe
interviewer:  {X}
779:  yes mm-hmm it's twenty-five miles on the other side of Alexandria
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and I guess I suppose he moved there it's uh he's just got going there
interviewer:  {X}
779:  evergreen Evergreen, Louisiana
interviewer:  {X}
779:  I don't know
interviewer:  {X}
779:  mm-mm and I had never heard of it until I married into the family {C: laughing} it's this this a little country town is all I know
interviewer:  {X}
779:  yeah but this is Louisiana I know that {C: laughing}
interviewer:  tell me about your um your grandparents on your father's side {X}
779:  uh okay let's {NS} see my father mm gosh right now and that was yeah okay his father's name was uh {B}
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and he was he does not have where he was born he died in Bunkie and his mother #1 his mother's name #
interviewer:  #2 he was born here in Louisiana? #
779:  I really don't know his mother her name was {B}
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and he doesn't have where she was born but she also died in Bunkie
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  uh do you know what his father did?
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  he worked for uh some railroad I don't know which one {C: laughing} {NW}
interviewer:  what did his mother do?
TV:  {X}
779:  she was just a housewife as far as I knew she uh she died when I was still pretty small I don't remember too much about her
interviewer:  do you have any idea how much education they had?
779:  no I don't think his father Yeah I remember him saying something about his father I don't believe his father had too much education seemed like he had to quit school and go to work for some reason and I know nothing about his his mother's education
TV:  {X}
interviewer:  now can you go back further than that? if it
779:  um well let me see well he's got things on it {X} he was a war soldier {C: laughing} uh no on my daddy's side I believe that's as far as he's gone I mean this is {D: this is} the other one that's a different family
interviewer:  do you know um what country they came from? {X}
779:  uh never mind let me see my grandmother's mother
interviewer:  Which
779:  or her father it's her father on my mother's side
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  her father came from Wales we're really we're a mixture {C: laughing}
interviewer:  do you know any other countries? that you
779:  uh no uh now my my grandfather on my mother's side uh his mother you know I told you she was full blood Indian she was kin to Pocahontas and I did not know you know #1 where I came from #
interviewer:  #2 mm-hmm #
779:  I really don't know any other country that uh {X}
interviewer:  what about on your {X}
779:  mm no I don't know uh you know except for {C: laughing} I don't I really don't know what country it is that's just we're from or anything
interviewer:  tell me some more about your husband how old is he?
779:  he's forty-three
interviewer:  {X}
779:  mm-hmm
interviewer:  what about his education?
779:  uh he finished high school at Glenmora, Louisiana and even came to Shreveport and he graduated from Saint Mary College
interviewer:  what did he major in?
779:  he majored in accounting
interviewer:  what sort of work does he do?
779:  he is a bank auditor
interviewer:  and where does he work?
779:  uh Minden, Louisiana
interviewer:  is that during {X}
779:  uh well he lived there and I think until he was in the fourth grade and then they moved to uh um yeah closer to where his parents live now but then they moved to a little place called Plainview I believe his father was a schoolteacher he's a retired schoolteacher and then from Plainview I believe they they moved several little towns you know down around in there but uh he lived uh at Glenmora when he graduated from from high school
interviewer:  is your husband very active in church?
779:  very
interviewer:  {X}
779:  he is the the department director for our one of our Sunday school departments
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and uh well actually you know he doesn't belong to any clubs or anything like that
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  well I don't know you know he being being department director takes up quite a bit of his time
interviewer:  mostly {X}
779:  #1 and he #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # {X}
779:  yeah uh-huh he is the substitute Sunday school teacher you know if if uh one of his teachers happens to be out
interviewer:  is this the church that you grew up with?
779:  no
interviewer:  what church did you go to?
779:  uh I was a Methodist for thirty-five years
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  we've just been over here a year
interviewer:  what Methodist church did you go to?
779:  Wynn Memorial W-Y-N-N Wynn Memorial Methodist and my husband was also going to that same church when we married and he uh he really grew up as a Methodist uh he did go to the Baptist church a little when he was a child because his father was a Baptist and his mother was a Methodist
interviewer:  what made you decide to {C: mic bump} change churches {X}
779:  well because the church we were in it's a it's a ve- it it was a very small Methodist church and most of the people that were left in the church were older people and there was just no you know we were not taking in any any younger members you know you know {NS} and actually our children and one other couple's children were the only children in the whole church
interviewer:  {NW}
779:  that's right and they the children we felt like they were just not getting what they needed you know there was just really nothing outside of Sunday school and church there was nothing for the children and uh we just felt like it was time to make a change you know because it seemed like the church was just and it still is it's just going downhill you know and we feel like you know that it will just soon die out
interviewer:  so your children are {X}
779:  yes
interviewer:  {X}
779:  we have a a big group of young people {NW} we have from little ones on up {C: laughing} our nursery is full of little babies {NW}
interviewer:  I'd like to get an idea of what the house that you grew up in looked like um you know sort of the names of the rooms and just kind of a floor plan of the {X}
779:  oh golly I can't draw
interviewer:  oh just just like you're looking down on it you know where each room was in relation to the others and
779:  well um yeah that oo mercy I can't draw {C: laughing} my son's an artist {C: laughing} he could do this uh well it had a big ol' front porch this this does not look a thing like it
interviewer:  well just like you're looking down on it just you know the floor-
779:  #1 just #
interviewer:  #2 plan #
779:  the #1 floor plan huh #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # just
779:  well let's see it had uh we had two bedrooms like we then had a alright let's see then it was a hall here and the bathroom of course and then this hall wound down here into another bedroom I'm not doing a good job at all {C: laughing} uh okay you got your {sitting room}
interviewer:  {X} what's this word say how many rooms are there
779:  uh one two three four five five rooms and the bathroom and then this hall
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  and then this huge front porch all the way across the front of the house
interviewer:  when you walked in the and there's two rooms in the front
779:  there were two front doors yeah
interviewer:  mm-hmm what was the room on the right
779:  the room on the right was the front bedroom and the room on the left was the living room
interviewer:  and the hall went between those
779:  no the hall went between the front bedroom and the back bedroom
interviewer:  oh I see the hall went #1 parallel to the door #
779:  #2 yeah # yeah no {NS} no it it goes the other way like the porch is here {C: laughing} okay here's a door and you go in here well this is the front bedroom and then the hall and then the back bedroom and then the bathroom {X}
interviewer:  oh I see
779:  next we're on the right side of the house okay and over here was the dining room and the kitchen
interviewer:  uh-huh
779:  and the living room and then this big porch goes all the way across here #1 uh-huh #
interviewer:  #2 uh-huh #
779:  like that {C: laughing}
interviewer:  how long did you live in that house
779:  well hmm
interviewer:  oh label the living room
779:  oh mm-kay {X} {X} uh {NW} we can at least {D: put} this one on
TV:  {X}
779:  uh this room out here was actually it was a den or a sleeping porch whatever that that's what my grandmother uses it for now
interviewer:  {X}
779:  oh this was the dining room wait a minute I've goofed here wait this is the living
interviewer:  what is a sleeping porch
779:  {X} {X} uh it's just a big room and she's got a bed in there now uh I would call it a den {C: laughing} you know even though it has a bed in there she but she uses that room kinda like a bedroom kinda as a bedroom is what she uses is using it for right now
interviewer:  how is it {D: then} when the rain comes down if you call it a sleeping porch then
779:  well uh she had when it was first built uh we used it well I believe she did use it to sleep out there then but on one side of it on one end of it she's got a what she calls a window box and it goes all the way you know across under the windows on that side of the room and then there's a closet well it goes all the way until this closet and then there's a closet right here and she's got uh various things out there {C: laughing} she has an old table she calls a library table which they used to have years ago and then she has her sewing machine out there she's got a dresser out there she has her TV out there and then her bed
interviewer:  mm-hmm what's the the window box is just a series of windows or
779:  uh there's let me see one {C: mic bump} there is actually just two windows up over this window box but there's all of about ten windows in this whole room it's big and then this window box goes under these two windows and then down here at the end there's the closet well over here on this side she has her washing machine
interviewer:  what is the window box do you know
779:  it's just a a big wooden box that's built from the floor up to about right this
interviewer:  just about here
779:  and mm-hmm not well it's not quite three feet maybe it's a little shorter and uh it just has lids with 'em lids you know that open up and you can store stuff in it like a closet only it's not a closet {C: laughing} uh
interviewer:  what about the library table what's that
779:  it's just a I think my grandfather built it it's just a table that's about this high
interviewer:  about three and a half feet
779:  probably something like that and it's about uh it's not as long as this table I'd say about three fourths as long as this table and it's about this wide #1 and it has four le- #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
779:  four legs
interviewer:  about four feet by two and a half feet
779:  uh probably
interviewer:  how is it different from a regular table I mean why is it
779:  uh well it's it's different you know from a table that you would eat on because it's not this wide or anything it's not as wide and then the legs about it they uh they don't just they're not just straight down like this they go in and then they're curved out like a foot you know {C: laughing} odd {C: laughing} and uh she's just always called that a library table
interviewer:  and he built that? table
779:  mm-hmm I think he did I know he built some of the furniture that she's still got his thingies tools {X} {X} that's the dining room um
interviewer:  {X}
779:  my grandmother still and and my mother and uh my stepfather have moved moved in with my grandmother because she is eighty-three uh let's see dining room and then this would be the kitchen I'm sorry
interviewer:  did you grow up with a stepfather
779:  no my father died uh let's see daddy has been dead let me see he's been dead twelve years and my mother didn't marry uh the man she's married to now and let me see she's been married five years to him so and then would you like for me to put a sleeping porch or a den? well I have a big room out there we call ours the den my two boys sleep out there because they have to because we just have two bedrooms so #1 that's a pitiful house {C: laughing} #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # oh I'm sorry what about this house that you're living in now
779:  draw it?
interviewer:  yes
779:  {NW} you would {C: laughing} oh I I can't draw okay this is the living room and then the dining room and my kitchen it's kind of long like that and then off from the kitchen is the den and then right here is the back bedroom and then the hall let's see I didn't do that very good then just a bathroom and then up here is the front bedroom and that is supposed to be closed up in there {C: laughing} {NW} okay so this is the living room {NW}
interviewer:  did you ever hear any old fashioned names for living room?
779:  uh the parlor
interviewer:  what did the parlor mean?
779:  uh I don't know except that it was just a you know I've heard that since I was a child I just supposed it was a room you know that they used like a living room instead of calling it a living room they just called it a parlor {C: laughing}
interviewer:  that's not a word you would use yourself?
779:  no {C: laughing} {X}
interviewer:  {X}
779:  yeah {C: laughing}
interviewer:  okay
779:  yeah all of this should be you know kind of get it I really made my kitchen too long here I shoulda cut it off but it's it's longer than it is wide so that's why {C: laughing} okay okay
interviewer:  did you ever um live in a house that had a fireplace in it
779:  no uh-uh {NS} not a real fireplace
interviewer:  what do you call the um thing in the fireplace that the smoke goes up through?
779:  chimney
interviewer:  you know there's an open place that comes down on the floor sort of {D: and it's made of doctors} {C: droning noise}
779:  oh uh you're talking about like that connects the ceiling
interviewer:  yeah what's that called?
779:  uh the hearth
interviewer:  the thing that you set the wood on in the fireplace
779:  that you burn the wood on
interviewer:  you know what I mean? those
779:  yeah
interviewer:  things that fit in there
779:  yeah I know what you're talking about um well I don't know what they call that {C: laughing}
interviewer:  do you ever get people talking about dog irons or uh fire irons {C: motor}
779:  yeah yeah
interviewer:  what is in your thoughts
779:  fire irons I suppose {D: uh it sounds more for danger}
interviewer:  what about the thing that goes up above that you would dust or cloth or something like that {C: motor}
779:  the mantle
interviewer:  mm-kay and say do you want to start a fire what kind of wood might you use to start it with?
779:  I don't know {C: laughing} uh me and my my grandmother's parents they had a fireplace and I don't know what kind of wood they just they always had wood you know piled up there I don't know what kind of wood it was
interviewer:  so what would you call a little piece of real rich wood that you know would would ignite easily you know what I mean like say you're on a camping trip or something
779:  yeah
interviewer:  you get your little piece of this to catch fire real easily did you ever
779:  #1 would #
interviewer:  #2 hear it # called go ahead
779:  no I just wanted to say was maybe pine
interviewer:  mm-kay well did you ever hear it called kindling or lighter or
779:  yeah kindling I've heard of that
interviewer:  what would that be for you would it be a specific type of wood or
779:  I don't know {C: laughing}
interviewer:  um {X} a long time ago they could take a real big piece of wood and put that way towards the back of the fireplace and it might burn all night long what do you call that? what would you call this um big piece of wood that you could burn
779:  just keep burning {D: me} um
interviewer:  #1 well what would you call any big piece of wood #
779:  #2 I don't know #
interviewer:  {D: like a beech}
779:  uh a block of wood
interviewer:  did you ever hear of a back log or a back stick
779:  heard back log
interviewer:  what's a back log?
779:  I don't know {C: laughing}
interviewer:  um and the black stuff that forms in the chimney?
779:  soot
interviewer:  and what do you shovel out of the fireplace
779:  coals
interviewer:  okay or what else
779:  uh ashes
interviewer:  and talk about things that you have in the house um the thing that I'm sitting in what do you call that? {C: mic bump}
779:  chair
interviewer:  what about something um {X} it's longer
779:  couch
interviewer:  any other names for that?
779:  divan
interviewer:  huh?
779:  divan
interviewer:  what's the difference?
779:  uh I don't know {C: laughing} some people just say couch and some say divan that's all I know #1 I've always said #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
779:  #1 couch #
interviewer:  #2 uh-huh #
779:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # what about something you can pull out and make a bed? with it
779:  a hide a bed
interviewer:  mm-hmm what about sofa?
779:  sofa
interviewer:  what's the difference {X}
779:  between a sofa and a hide a bed?
interviewer:  or a sofa and a couch
779:  or a sofa and a couch I don't know if there is any difference really
interviewer:  would you ever use the word sofa?
779:  well yes I have used the word sofa I yeah forgot about that {C: laughing}
interviewer:  what sort of things did you have in your bedroom to keep your clothes in? {C: mic bumps}
779:  closet {NW}
interviewer:  what about before people had built-in closets?
779:  cedar chest {C: laughing}
interviewer:  mm-kay
779:  um I don't know uh
interviewer:  did you ever see something that was real um maybe your grandmother woulda had a bit this it's this real big thing and it had a shelves in it and a place for hanging clothes made out of wood real kind of essentially a closet that's portable
779:  Would it be called a chifforobe?
interviewer:  uh-huh what what did that look like
779:  uh the best I can remember in my mind is just like a big ol' wooden box looking deal with doors and like you say it might have had a shelf or so up you know to put to store things
interviewer:  did it have a place for hanging the clothes?
779:  yes mm-hmm
interviewer:  did you ever see um anything else like that but maybe bigger than that?
779:  mm no {NW}
interviewer:  armoire or wardrobe? did you have any of those?
779:  I've heard of wardrobe but not an armoire
interviewer:  what's a wardrobe like?
779:  uh wardrobe now are you talking about where you put the clothes?
interviewer:  #1 well how are how do you use that word #
779:  #2 {X} # how do I use the word wardrobe? oh well I use it when I'm referring to my clothes
interviewer:  uh-huh would would you ever use it to refer to the furniture?
779:  no not me {C: laughing}
interviewer:  um what about something that you probably have nowadays that um you keep in your bedroom to to put clothes and things in something just with drawers
779:  chest of drawers
interviewer:  okay anything else?
779:  um let's see what was that {NW} did I tell you long ago about that {D: closet down} no I don't ever call it anything except a chest of drawers myself {C: laughing}
interviewer:  what about something that has {D: a mirror to it}
779:  dresser
interviewer:  okay and something that you can have in windows something on rollers you can put in a window to pull down to keep out the light
779:  oh uh are you talking about shades?
interviewer:  mm-kay and the covering on the house is called the
779:  the covering you mean the outside of the house
interviewer:  top of the house
779:  oh a roof {C: laughing}
interviewer:  mm-kay and things along the edge of the roof that carry the water off
779:  gutters
interviewer:  are they built-in or do they hang from the roof?
779:  they uh hang from the roof
interviewer:  what about uh did you ever see a house {X}
779:  you mean where it goes up and down right here
interviewer:  and on the roof where it joins {X} did you ever hear a name for that?
779:  mm I don't know if I did or not
interviewer:  what about the space between the ceiling and the roof?
779:  the attic
interviewer:  mm-kay any other names?
779:  no
interviewer:  did you ever have any other names for porch?
779:  porch um well now for a small porch I have stoop and that's all I can think of
interviewer:  what about a you know it's all these old houses that you see that have porches go all the way around the house
779:  yeah I don't know what they're called {C: laughing}
interviewer:  what about a porch off the second floor?
779:  a balcony
interviewer:  mm-kay and did you ever hear a porch called a gallery?
779:  no I don't believe
interviewer:  and did you ever see uh a kitchen built separate from the rest of the house?
779:  no
interviewer:  and a little room off the kitchen where you can store canned goods and things
779:  pantry
interviewer:  say you had a lot of old wood like things like old broken furniture that wasn't any good anymore what would you call it
779:  um is it just
interviewer:  well anything
779:  yeah junk
interviewer:  and what would you call a room that's used to store odds and ends in
779:  uh used to store odds and ends uh
interviewer:  and just like if you had some stuff you didn't know what to do with but you didn't want to throw it out
779:  I'd probably call it a junk room {C: laughing}
interviewer:  okay did y'all have a junk room in your house?
779:  well the whole house was {C: laughing} no really and truly we did not have a junk room
interviewer:  and say if um if your house is in a big mess {X} do what to it?
779:  clean it up
interviewer:  and you sweep it with a
779:  broom
interviewer:  say that the broom was in the corner and the door was open so that the door's kind of hiding the broom you'd say the broom is where
779:  behind the door
interviewer:  and if you have a two story house to get from the first floor to the second you have
779:  read that again
interviewer:  if you have a two story house to get from the first to the second floor
779:  you got a stairway
interviewer:  mm-kay what would you call something like that outside like from your porch to the ground?
779:  steps
interviewer:  and years ago if on Monday when would you get all the dirty clothes together and that's the end of it
779:  wash
interviewer:  mm-kay what about do did you ever see uh people do people do their wash in little old fashioned {X}
779:  mm-hmm
interviewer:  how would they do that
779:  well my grandmother uh used to do it in a big ol' black wash pot they would build a fire under it you know and you know get the water real hot and wash in this big black wash pot
interviewer:  wait this is your mother's mother?
779:  my mother's mother
interviewer:  lived in lived with did she live with y'all or
779:  no we lived with her
interviewer:  okay
779:  when I was a child
interviewer:  did you ever try to do the washing that way
779:  no {C: laughing} I don't remember she must have done it like that when I was just a little bitty girl because I don't remember too much about it but uh I know she did do it that way cause I've heard 'em you know say it
interviewer:  what about um after they they get the clothes washed and dried then it is a
779:  clothes washed and dried an ironing
interviewer:  did you ever sit here and do that {X}
779:  yes
interviewer:  how
779:  they had these big ol' heavy heavy iron uh irons {C: laughing} and they would heat 'em on the stove and then they were run an iron while it was real hot
interviewer:  that seems like it would be so dangerous to me like uh if you drop it
779:  yeah have you ever lifted one yourself? they're heavy
interviewer:  none of them have any sort of insulation or I guess
779:  mm-mm
interviewer:  what would you do just wrap a wrap around it or
779:  just put a a hot pad over the top of it now the top of it didn't really get that hot it was a w- kind of a wooden some of 'em had wooden handles and if they had an iron handle of course your hand uh you know put something over it but they were terribly terribly heavy
interviewer:  um nowadays you could uh send your clothes to the
779:  washateria
interviewer:  mm-kay or what would you call a a building that {D: replaces down} where they
779:  cleaners
interviewer:  mm-kay and talk about the what could you call washing and ironing together you'd say you had to do this
779:  the laundry
interviewer:  did people you'd see use the word laundry?
779:  uh you mean back when I was a child? uh not as much as they do now
interviewer:  what did they say when you were a child?
779:  mostly that they just had to do the wash
interviewer:  mm-kay and say that you wanted to hang up a picture you'd take a nail and a
779:  a nail and a hammer
interviewer:  mm-kay took the hammer and I what the nail in
779:  hammered the nail
interviewer:  {D: fork} I got in my car and I what to town
779:  drove?
interviewer:  mm-kay and you say um he has never what a car
779:  driven
interviewer:  and you say he does know how to
779:  drive
interviewer:  and you know some houses you have um well maybe this house has a {X} each other like this {X}
779:  on the outside? this house has aluminum siding
interviewer:  mm-kay did you ever hear another name for siding?
779:  uh well what type of siding are you #1 talking about #
interviewer:  #2 well if # it's specifically made out of wood you know like they used to do would you ever hear it called fireboard or weatherboarding or anything like that
779:  no mm-mm
interviewer:  and if the door was open and you didn't want it to be you'd ask somebody to
779:  shut the door
interviewer:  and the building that's used to store wood {X}
779:  for storing wood uh a wood shed?
interviewer:  what about for tools?
779:  tool house
interviewer:  mm-kay and a long time ago before people had bathrooms inside what are they called {X}
779:  john {C: laughing}
interviewer:  mm-kay any other names for this
779:  um just toilet that's all I know {C: laughing}
interviewer:  {X} names or {X} names? {X}
779:  you mean to call a toilet?
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  mm no I can't recall right off any
interviewer:  okay were you ever around a farm {X}
779:  uh yes I was uh in the summer mainly
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  my grandmother's uh one of my grandmother's brothers had a farm
interviewer:  where
779:  in the country in Bear Creek #1 {C: laughing} #
interviewer:  #2 so where is that? #
779:  it's up in east Texas uh if you do you know where Linden, Texas is?
interviewer:  I've heard of it
779:  well anyway uh this is strictly out in the country you go on the Linden highway and then you turn off on a dirt road and you just keep winding through {C: laughing} woods until you come to uh to Bear Creek it's just a little you know community in the country
interviewer:  how many miles from Shreveport is the {X}
779:  uh it's about eighty
interviewer:  mm-hmm did you spend every summer there or {C: mic bump}
779:  no uh we usually went when I was growing up we usually went at least once during the summer sometimes twice but uh we did not spend the summer
interviewer:  how long would you stay there
779:  uh sometimes for a week at a time some- well no we never stayed two weeks about a week is long as we ever stayed
interviewer:  what was the farm like? {D: like uh} was it very big or
779:  uh well yes it was pretty big uh he had uh his garden across the road across the dirt road and on he had all this stuff planted watermelons cantaloupes and he had everything {C: laughing}
interviewer:  what did you like most out there {X}
779:  uh yes they had chickens they had pigs and they had uh a few horses {D: I rode} and they had some cows but I never was wild about animals {C: laughing} not that cow that {C: laughing}
interviewer:  did you ride the horses or
779:  no I didn't want to {C: laughing}
interviewer:  #1 what is what was some of the buildings they had on the farm? #
TV:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  #1 like what #
TV:  #2 {X} #
779:  uh
interviewer:  where would they keep the animals around
779:  well uh the animals just stayed in fences mostly way out uh down behind the house but they had a little house uh just out uh oo it was several feet from the house and they called it a smoke house
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  that's where you know they used to smoke their meat and uh let me see if they had any other
interviewer:  what were the big what was the biggest building they had {X}
779:  I guess it was the barn {NW} really he didn't really have all that many buildings {NS} just uh you know he had some little different little buildings where he he kept different things I don't know
interviewer:  what did um what do you call the upper part of the barn where you can throw the hay
779:  the loft
interviewer:  huh?
779:  loft
interviewer:  mm-kay would you ever talk about a loft of a house?
779:  no
interviewer:  um what about the place where you store corn
779:  I don't know
interviewer:  did you ever hear of a crib or a corn house or
779:  a what?
interviewer:  a crib or a corn house or anything like that
779:  no
interviewer:  what about a building for storing grain did you ever hear of that?
779:  I've heard of it but I don't know what you call it {C: laughing}
interviewer:  did you ever hear it called a granary or a granary?
779:  no
interviewer:  and say if you um if you cut the hay off a piece of land and then the {X} grew back if you cut it again the same year you call that a
779:  {D: an opaque root} no what
interviewer:  if you could sometimes you have hay growing enough to where you can cut it twice in the same year would you have a special name for that where you can cut it twice?
779:  {NS} I don't #1 know {C: laughing} #
interviewer:  #2 o- #
779:  #1 {C: laughing} #
interviewer:  #2 Okay um # a long time ago when you'd cut the hay off off some land um way back nowadays they bale hay but a long time ago they'd cut it and they'd let it dry and then rake it up in little piles did you ever get a name for the little piles that came after the hay was raked up?
779:  a bale?
interviewer:  mm-kay what about a a heap or doodle or {D: shocker thing} {X}
779:  mm-mm
interviewer:  what about they could take a pole and um and they took the hay and put it around the pole so it got {X}
779:  haystack? {C: laughing}
interviewer:  have you never seen that?
779:  uh yes I did
interviewer:  did you ever see hay kept outside any other way besides a haystack?
779:  um no I can't I don't really ever
interviewer:  and where would the cows be kept?
779:  cows?
interviewer:  mm-hmm
779:  well they get kept in the barn {C: laughing}
interviewer:  mm-kay where would they graze?
779:  out in the pasture
interviewer:  and did you ever hear of a sort of a makeshift fenced in place out in the pasture where you can shut the cows up? {X}
779:  out in the pasture? uh no I don't think so
interviewer:  what about a {X} or a cow pen to {D: ever mean} that?
779:  heard of a cow pen
interviewer:  what's a cow pen like?
779:  #1 I don't know {C: laughing} #
interviewer:  #2 like what do you think of? #
779:  a cow pen? I guess where they would just uh hem 'em in where they couldn't get out {C: laughing}
interviewer:  what about um the place for horses where {D: were they put down}
779:  {X} um {X}
interviewer:  what about a place to shut them up?
779:  uh I don't know I can't think of any
interviewer:  where would hogs be kept?
779:  uh in a hog pen {C: laughing}
interviewer:  mm-kay and the fenced in place around the barn so the animals can walk around did you call that the
779:  where they can walk around?
interviewer:  yeah just a you know the farm might have a small fenced in place that wouldn't be big enough to be called a pasture
779:  yeah oh the barnyard
interviewer:  mm-kay and the place on a farm when they have a lot of cows and just a commercial um normally they have a lot of milk cows {C: mic bump} that'd be called a
779:  a dairy
interviewer:  do you ever hear the word dairy used to refer to anything else besides the commercial farm {D: workings}
779:  dairy let's see I don't know dairy products?
interviewer:  mm-kay what about um a little building out in the yard where you could store milk and butter? {X}
779:  out in the yard? no #1 no #
interviewer:  #2 where was # um how did people keep milk or butter before they had refrigerators?
779:  before they had refrigerators um I guess they just had to get a big block of ice and sit it on there
interviewer:  you don't remember?
779:  no I remember my grandmother the first refrigerator that I can remember her having you know we lived with her uh it had no freezer compartment you know and we would the ice man would come and bring huge blocks of ice about like this you know and put it in the refrigerator and it would it would last for several days you know I don't really remember how long it would last but anyway it would keep the food cold uh let me think if I remember {X}
interviewer:  did y'all um when you were growing up did in the neighborhood that you lived in did anyone keep animals or you know like some places even though it was a town in town uh you were allowed to keep a cow or a horse or something or a chicken {C: informant coughs, mic bump}
779:  um now my father had a chicken he had one chicken {C: laughing}
interviewer:  just one?
779:  he made a pet out of it he could make a pet out of anything and he taught this chicken to walk the clothesline he's {NS} excuse me {X} a chicken uh yeah uh we uh we never had anything like a horse you know or anything like that we had dogs and cats {C: laughing}
interviewer:  did anyone in your neighborhood kept um were they allowed to keep uh big animals in your neighborhood?
779:  no nothing big like a horse or something like that uh-uh
interviewer:  the place where a chicken could be kept
779:  um