Interviewer:  {X}
791:  Fine. I didn't.
Interviewer:  It's working. {NS} {NS} {X} If you owe a {X} you buy a
791:  a new one.
Interviewer:  New
791:  new set of clothes.
Interviewer:  New set. When you when the stuff lot of stuff in your pockets it would make a
791:  bulge out.
Interviewer:  Bulge out. {NW} But um yeah tell me about some of the can you tell me about some of the other times when you you know what what folks that they were doing and did you have a lot of uh get-togethers when y'all were younger or that sort of thing? #1 Can you remember? #
791:  #2 I guess. # You'd have uh at after you got a little aged uh stopped in your teens why you'd have jump josie parties quite ancient
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  And
Interviewer:  Jumped what's that?
791:  They call them jump josie. It it was more or less uh sideline square dancing. They they call them jump josie parties.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  And everybody dancing. Played music. Just have a big time.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh now you say a man when when he was a girl when she was getting standing in front of the mirror and everything before she was going start to go a party like that she was doing what? to
791:  Man that's old. The old word was primping.
Interviewer:  Primping?
791:  #1 Making herself pretty. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Okay. Did did the did the man what would the man do? You'd say he's doing what to
791:  Well they usually just uh dressed.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay.
791:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Ever use # Ever use the word slick down or anything like that?
791:  Well it lock down they have to use the words uh slick the hair down back those days there wasn't much of anything but water put on your hair.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Bear grease? #1 {NW} #
791:  #2 Bad grease. #
Interviewer:  Something like that. Uh tell me if your friends find out okay. Well the things you went to then you call them a a dance or a
791:  dance or a jump Josie party.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Folks I hear folks used to know knew knew how to have good times back in those days.
791:  Well they had good times and lot of people say that children meaner now than they was back them days but I I can't see that the difference.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  They was mean back them days as they are now.
Interviewer:  Well why? What what do you mean? What would y'all do?
791:  Well they uh a lot of them course they and not not all of them was that way which the same thing applies today. Why you had some that'd fight drink uh for instance one of the one of parties that they's at why they two men that I was talking about yesterday in the tape Mister {X} brothers #1 why #
Interviewer:  #2 they #
791:  they they was scrappers. They they entertain you if you wanted to be entertained as far as #1 fighting was concerned. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
791:  #1 They was at a #
Interviewer:  #2 they always #
791:  They was at a big square dance one night and course everybody was drinking and I wasn't at the party but they everyone was drinking and from the report that I received why they had a it was in the winter time and they had a huge oak fire on and it burnt down into a bunch of red coals.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  Well they always had a peculiar talk a southern drag and Wally he walked out on the porch cause he probably been in trouble with some of the gentlemens before and one of them hit him and knocked #1 him out at the end of the porch. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
791:  #1 And when they did why they stood him off on his head #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
791:  right in amongst a bunch of bad cur dogs that was chained at the end of the #1 porch. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
791:  So Mister George Willis {B: should be beeped} some of them went running in there and told them that somebody had hit Wally and knocked him out in the yard on top of them cur dogs and they'd almost ate them up #1 so George went out #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
791:  he said I don't believe he can do George out of the way so George just went and put his left arm around the guy's neck and hit Wally in his right arm in the cape of his legs and picked him up just like picking a child up
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  I dunno why I didn't know what George fixing to do and he just went running back in the house. And before anybody knows why he just run up to that big fireplace with the red coals and throwed him in come and pushed him on in with his feet said I'll just burn you up.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
791:  #2 {NW} # So they really had a free for all then.
Interviewer:  {NW} so wow. Good grief. They killed this man. People always people what they fight a lot?
791:  Well they use use use usually have some drinking and they they sometimes they end up fighting. Most times it was peaceful and man it was given a dance to see that it was peaceful or nobody didn't get hurt bad but
Interviewer:  yeah.
791:  uh they they pretty well entertaining.
Interviewer:  Mister Foster do you remember uh now I remember as I recall folks in this area thirty had to raise illegal alcoholic beverages to uh to you know sort of kind of make a living sometimes because that was the only way they could make a living. Couldn't make one farming. Is that so?
791:  Yeah they they was quite a few of them that had illegal steals and runoff whiskey.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  uh
Interviewer:  My my grandfather's caretaker just got about a year probation cause this guy got arrested for that. He has electric steel with a a runoff a quarter mile back in the woods. And he was riding a new truck every year. The the revenuers got {C: pronunciation} {D: probably revenuers? misspelled in transcription} somebody oh wait. Somebody told me What do what do they call federal agents?
791:  uh
Interviewer:  #1 um #
791:  #2 revenuers. {C: pronunciation} #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Revenuers
791:  Revenuers.
Interviewer:  Nothing calls them that.
791:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  But some guy I was talking to a fellow today and he called it a different name I never heard of it anything like that not but I can't remember it now. Anyway did you have a name what did they call the stuff that the that they made?
791:  Whiskey or shinny.
Interviewer:  Shinny. What about something that was just kind of a homemade like poorly made stuff or or cheap? Did did they have a name for that? Just any kind of cheap whiskey maybe was or cheap cheap sort of stuff.
791:  No I can't remember if they did course they made home brew. A lot of people made home brew but mostly they made it for their own use. They didn't make it for sale #1 but #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah #
791:  make a living.
Interviewer:  Okay. Yeah. Okay then huh. Something somebody just made for themselves they'd call home brew.
791:  Home brew. It was in other words it wasn't whiskey it was home brew. It was on the same principle as your beer is today. #1 it #
Interviewer:  #2 okay. #
791:  It's on the same principle as you beer today.
Interviewer:  Can I say this can I Um Did did you have a a name for uh the place where they left the did you ever hear the name for the place where many a a kind of a a hollow stump a guy put a twenty dollar bill and or a ten dollar bill and he'd come back a little while later and the guy would have left him the uh some whiskey or something like that
791:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 What was that called? #
791:  #2 yeah. # Well it uh call it a hiding place uh you take that {NW} now this is all hearsay #1 but #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah #
791:  between here and Leesville uh an old two story building on the left hand side of the road used to be a grocery store and they say now that's all I can go by
Interviewer:  Really?
791:  that they used to you used could go there and buy your whiskey back in the probation days and you'd never see the man that sold you the whiskey because he'd let let the whiskey down on a string from up #1 from up upstairs. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # #1 {NW} #
791:  #2 so # so you couldn't swear who sold you the whiskey if it came to court. And course that that's one of the old rumors that are #1 taught. #
Interviewer:  #2 that # That is great. What now what did they call it? {X} Did did they have a name?
791:  Bootleg.
Interviewer:  Okay well did they ever have a did did you ever hear the word blind tiger? The the the phrase brine blind tiger?
791:  I don't believe.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. {X} said something like that. And they the fellow who sold it was a blind tiger.
791:  Blind tiger.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  ah he he probably heard it back in #1 those days #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
791:  why a little before my time.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS} Okay. Now uh you say that you might say that coat won't fit this year but last year it what perfectly it
791:  it fit perfectly.
Interviewer:  Fit perfectly okay did you um now used to you might have wool sweaters something like that you'd throw in the accidentally throw them in the wash and the you say the wool would #1 what? #
791:  #2 Draw up. #
Interviewer:  #1 Draw up? #
791:  #2 Draw up. #
Interviewer:  sh- what?
791:  shrink. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
791:  Shrink too too small. {NS}
Interviewer:  Alright. Yesterday I put my sweater in the wash and it
791:  drawed up.
Interviewer:  Okay or sh-what?
791:  Shrank.
Interviewer:  Shrank up okay. Um now a woman around her {NW} wrist what would she wear maybe? {NW} You call it a
791:  Wrist watch.
Interviewer:  Well a man would wear a watch a woman might wear
791:  bracelet?
Interviewer:  Okay. And what would she carry to uh church? Uh to you know
791:  Purse?
Interviewer:  A purse? okay.
791:  #1 Purse. Handbag. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Alright. Now men used to wear what call it trousers?
791:  Suspenders?
Interviewer:  Okay. Call it anything else? #1 folks have #
791:  #2 some people call them galluses #
Interviewer:  #1 galluses? #
791:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Okay. And over you when it rains you'd hold
791:  umbrella.
Interviewer:  umbrella. Okay. What do you call a the last thing you put on a bed? Miss {B} called maybe the fancy top cover
791:  The bed spread.
Interviewer:  Bed spread? Okay did they have an older name for it back in the old days or counter uh
791:  #1 Nothing #
Interviewer:  #2 Canopy # You ever hear that?
791:  Canopy.
Interviewer:  Okay never heard of that?
791:  #1 Never heard of it. #
speaker#3:  #2 Canopy. #
791:  Canopy.
Interviewer:  Canopy?
speaker#3:  {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. And at the head of the bed you put your
791:  {NW} Dunno.
Interviewer:  That's okay. You put a what?
791:  Pillow.
Interviewer:  Did you did you ever have a a kind of pillow that went that went uh from one end to the bed all #1 all #
791:  #2 all the way across? #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Clean cross the a bolster? You ever hear of a #1 bolster? #
791:  #2 No no I don't believe I ever did. #
Interviewer:  Okay. um now you put a what would you put on a bed for warmth? A
791:  Quilt. Back in the old days. {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay. Quilt and uh something a a kid might sleep on the floor they'd make a makeshift
791:  Pallet.
Interviewer:  Pallet they sleep on. Okay. Now you talking about dogs. Tell me you got any stories about dogs uh but you know vicious dogs you ran into in you in your time?
791:  Well I I've only been bit one one particular time. #1 When #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
791:  When I was in the butane business why I went to Miss {X} house in {D: word spelling} Ulano and serviced her tank and fill filled the tank and the old dog was in the extreme back of the yard with two puppies. And didn't pay me any attention whatsoever. I filled the tank put up my hose walked to the back door knocked on the door and Miss {X} came to the door and the dog walked up and stood right by the side of me and {X} Miss said well how said I don't understand that said that dog usually eats anybody up. I said while she hasn't eaten {D: word} Bart. And I stood there and wrote out the ticket.
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  collected the money and talked a few minutes and the old dog was standing there and I turned to leave and when I turned why the dog just lunged and grabbed me.
Interviewer:  Oh God
791:  A huge dog.
Interviewer:  call
791:  #1 one lick. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X] #
791:  one one bite is all she bit. Just one one bite and back to {X} all she waiting on for me to turn my head
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  But that's the only time that I've ever been bitten by a bad dog they I usually can tell if one is a vicious why I know to stay steer clear of it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I can't get dogs are funny. I I the the the the kind that are the most dangerous the kind that just walk up to you and stand beside you. {NW}
791:  #1 yeah they #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah. # The dog bark after you and you {NW} but you Nah I hear tell that you should never be afraid of dogs that's uh
791:  Well I I I'm not afraid of dogs but still I can pretty well tell as much uh dealings as I've had with them going to people's residence why I can pretty well tell if one I better watch him. #1 yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah. # Yeah. Now you might say you got what uh the mailman got that didn't watch that dog mailman or you'll get
791:  dogbit.
Interviewer:  dogbit? Okay. #1 might say #
791:  #2 that dog will bite you. #
Interviewer:  okay. um now if you're walking down the road and a dog jumps out at you you might pick up a
791:  club?
Interviewer:  Well if you
791:  #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 you didn't have a club nearby you #
791:  pick up a
Interviewer:  something or a st
791:  stick or clod of dirt
Interviewer:  okay clod or a or a what a maybe a something you could throw at him or
791:  hand full of dirt or something.
Interviewer:  Okay. The road was had #1 gr #
791:  #2 gravel? #
Interviewer:  yeah you'd say you pick up a
791:  you pick up a handful of gravel and throw it.
Interviewer:  I see. but now um what might you throw at a at a up in a tree a at a crow or something like that? You you know pick up a some sort of #1 {X} #
791:  #2 pebble or rock? #
Interviewer:  Rock okay. And you'd do what? You
791:  Toss it or throw it at him
Interviewer:  toss it at him okay. Ever say chunk or
791:  chunk.
Interviewer:  fetched it at him.
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  {NW} um talking about cur dogs any what other types of dogs might you have? {NW} um
791:  Well a lot of people has different types. Personally myself why hounds and cur dogs is all uh how they were only except for uh couple of three fives for squirrel dogs.
Interviewer:  I see.
791:  But I've owned uh a few mighty good cur dogs. I had one particular cur dog that I lost two years ago this past May that money wouldn't have bought.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  It wasn't it wasn't enough money that they would have bought it don't know what went with it five dollars or a hundred dollar bill to anyone that could tell me where he went or whether he was dead or alive all I wanted to see was just see the dog whether he was dead or alive
Interviewer:  #1 yeah. #
791:  #2 I'd give them # a hundred dollar bill but school children hunted him and rode bicycles and rode the horses and I don't know where the dog went he disappeared completely. Everybody he was he was a combination. He you could do anything you wanted to do with him. He treated If I got my pickup here in the front door
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  and went around before I'd get to the field gate and get the gate open why the dog would be retrieve behind my feet. He'd have a squirrel retrieve. And I'd go over there and if I wanted to kill the squirrel I'd kill it if I didn't why I'd call him off. At night when you picked up a gun in the headlight why {NW} why he's ready to go. You didn't have to get him by the collar and drag him to the car or the truck he'd all you had to do was just open the door of the let the tailgate down he loaded himself and when he got to the woods why it was nothing but coons. He was a straight cooner he didn't run anything else but coons. If you got the time he could be in this yard and I was at the barn. I had {D: word} brahma bulls {C: pronunciation} cows one tried to tried another one over or something you yoller over here look out here
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  You didn't have to worry old Spot would be there.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
791:  #2 You'd hear that chain link rattle one time and he was there. # He scaled that chain link gate just like it wasn't there.
Interviewer:  #1 Really? #
791:  #2 and he meant business when he got there. # You holler get him Spot it was got. And he was cattle dog he was a hog dog he'd bay hogs. He'd catch a hog like he caught the evening I about to bring him a bull he was eighteen months old. I bought him from mr Porter and I had a it was a mean bull I had Mister uh Thomas Tony state trooper and my neighbor mr Harvey they helped me haul him in here and we got him here and had a lariat rope on him and we let him get the lariat rope in the crack of the stable door and brought it up underneath the hinge
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  When he cut the lariat rope in two on that hinge which turned him loose was about a six or eight foot piece rope around his neck. And it ended up why I told the boys to move that old Spot out of the dog yard and I had already got on my tractor and turned the lights on it got dark and I hollered get him Spot why the last time I saw Spot he was going out out of sight I don't know how high he went but he went in caught that brahma bull and the bull {C: pronunciation} throwed him completely out of sight of my headlights on the track. And when he hit the ground why he back at him and had a hold of him again.
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  And we pinned to bring the bull and the the bull was locked where he couldn't get out till the next morning we gets the rope off of him and get him in a place that would hold him.
Interviewer:  {NW} That's a mean dog. #1 a mean wolf #
791:  #2 but he # They're mean. But he he was number one. Anything mind he you didn't have to holler at him all you had to do was hold your hand up at him he'd stop mine to perfection and my my wife's nephews uh from Houston said that old Spot saved one of their lives. They'd all slipped off and went swimming. There my mother in law and one of them went swimming while one of them couldn't swim and gotten too deep a water and they just declared that old Spot went in there and drug the child out. Brought him out to the bank.
Interviewer:  Really?
791:  They about five of them and nay a one said that old Spot saved their lives. But he he had sense. I We had just gone to bed it was cool weather and the bedroom door and this bedroom front bedroom opens out on the front porch same as this door does
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  and uh there wasn't anyone here but Dwight and myself and I knew there wasn't any of the children coming in and everyone knew where the living room door was and where the bedroom door was. And the only time this cur dog ever came in the house was if the children started shooting firecrackers anywhere in the neighborhood why he'd come in open the front screen himself come in and lay down on the porch. He'd never come in the house. Or if it started thundering and lighting why he'd open the screen door come in on the porch and lay down. And when it was over with why he'd go back out. And this particular night why we had gone to bed and I was had dozed off. And I heard the front screen door open. And at the same time I heard the front screen door open and the door he's led it to why something hit my bedroom door instead of the living room door. Well I knew that something was wrong because nobody never came to the bedroom door.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And I was up out of the bed and already had a 30 30 in my hand I'm coming out of the rack with it that I knew was loaded took a pass Yes.
791:  When I heard him hit the other living room door
Interviewer:  yeah.
791:  And I put the gun back up I knew what it was I heard him whine when he gets to the living room door he whined one time. And I opened this door here and when I opened this door and opened the front living room door why the dog came in at the door and just made a right hand turn and the T-V was sat in kiddie corner in the corner.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  and the dog just sprayed blood as he went. On the wall and that curtain and run over and lay down behind the T-V. And I just reached and got him by the collar and carried him outside and latched a screen to where he couldn't open the door. And I went in the bathroom in the medicine cabinet and got a box of powdered alum and went back out and rubbed the powdered alum on his ear he'd been in a dog fight is what had happened. And he was bleeding he was bleeding to death. And he had sense enough to know where I slept and that's the reason he hit that bedroom door. And he was he was a smart dog. Smart as they ever came.
Interviewer:  {NW} Yeah wait if you wanted the dog your dog to attack another dog or another person what would you say?
791:  Usually get him.
Interviewer:  Get him? Okay. Uh
791:  Catch them.
Interviewer:  Okay. But uh yeah I know I know what you mean cause some dogs they'll chew you know they can take they uh may be a mixed breed of dog but they get good qualities from both the dogs that you know they were sired of or whatever. And uh you know I had all the hand dogs that were good dogs too. Uh now if uh if someone came to visit uh you this you and you're not there your wife your might wife might come out and say no he's not
791:  He's not here.
Interviewer:  He's not what?
791:  He's not around.
Interviewer:  Okay he's not speaking of being uh speaking of uh if you go to somebody's house and he's not there they might say no he's not
791:  He's not at home.
Interviewer:  Not at home okay. Alright uh. Now you talking about coffee yesterday. What well how to folks like their coffee? Some folks?
791:  Most people in this in this area likes it strong.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well you might say they like it what? with or without what
791:  Sugar. Some some wants it with sugar. Some with sugar and the cream. Some with plain with plain without either one.
Interviewer:  Uh okay now you okay without the plain you might say what? Folks have a a word for that? You know.
791:  Black. want it black. Or straight.
Interviewer:  Straight? Okay. Alright. {NW} Barefooted? You ever hear of that? Naked or {NW}
791:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh Now if someone's not going away from you they're coming
791:  to
Interviewer:  what. To
791:  Towards
Interviewer:  okay. Towards you. Uh if you saw just met somebody in town you know I'd say instead of saying I met him might say well today I I ran
791:  ran ran into so and so.
Interviewer:  ran into old so and so. {X} If a child was given the same name as their uh as his his father you'd say they named the child
speaker#3:  Junior.
791:  Junior.
Interviewer:  Okay they named they named the child what compared to the father. They named the child
speaker#3:  after
791:  After his father.
Interviewer:  After his father. Okay. Uh now in a herd of cattle what do you call the male?
791:  Bull.
Interviewer:  Bull? Okay. Uh any other names? Like do you used to live up in Toro do you ever did they ever use that name for how how'd that city get its name?
791:  Uh I don't know how it got its name. But that's what toro is in Spanish. It's bull.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW}
791:  That's what toro means in in Spanish is bull.
Interviewer:  Alright. Now you fill out a
791:  I
Interviewer:  go ahead.
791:  I say I don't know I would back up right now uh that's what uh toro is in line with the old Spanish trait.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  #1 uh what I'm referring to #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
791:  right. It
Interviewer:  #1 where okay where where did that start and go #
791:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  you know the #1 word of #
791:  #2 it came # It came across Sibeam river uh somewhere right there around Hathens Fair and Anthony Fare and came right on through by Toro and went through Hodges Gardens which would be above Hornback and from there right on into {D: proper name} Natchitoches. That was the old Spanish trail. That's where uh a lot of people they lot of these old timers {NW} excuse me. Lot of these old timers uh uh can tell you about what they call Devil's Lake west of Hornback
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  They claimed they claimed that that's where a lot of the gold is in Devil's Lake because it they dumped it there thinking that they could get it and it kept sinking. And they they have all types of caves out west of Hornback around Devil's Lake.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
791:  #2 same as they do in Hodges Gardens. #
Interviewer:  They's caves in Hodges Gardens. And but that's uh Spanish trail does go all the way through there and I would imagine that that's where To Toro got its name. That some Spanish probably named it Toro.
speaker#3:  {NW} Uh now you're you used to you used to have a to pull loads you had what? To pull your father would have a maybe
791:  team of horses.
Interviewer:  #1 Of horses or #
791:  #2 a pair or horses. #
Interviewer:  Did you ever have a um the kind that that were like all like cattle oxes big old
791:  ox?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  yeah y'all had maybe what would you say if you had two ox
791:  you'd have a team of ox or yoke uh double yoke of oxen.
Interviewer:  I see okay. Now uh a calf when it's first born is uh I mean uh uh a little one when it's first born is a what?
791:  Baby calf.
Interviewer:  Calf okay you call a female a #1 female a #
791:  #2 a calf. # #1 or #
Interviewer:  #2 okay. # heifer or ewe?
791:  a young one uh is heifer after when they pass the calf stage in other words that's the calf and then the heifer and then the grown cow.
Interviewer:  I see. And the and the male is just a
791:  well he's a he's a a calf until he becomes a year old or there about you say a bull #1 or if you #
Interviewer:  #2 okay. #
791:  change him why he'd be a steer.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh now if you had a cow by the name of Daisy you'd say specially a calf you'd say Daisy is gonna
791:  bring a calf.
Interviewer:  Bring a calf or you ever say hear folks say come fresh or anything like that?
791:  Right. Come Daisy'll freshen so and so
Interviewer:  Right. Okay. And the male horse is the
791:  Stallion. Stud.
Interviewer:  Okay. Folks did women yeah always did your {C: pronunciation} men always use that word around women or was that you know
791:  Yeah. It was always #1 used #
Interviewer:  #2 okay. #
791:  stallion or stud.
Interviewer:  um now uh if a little child went to sleep in bed and found himself on the floor in the morning say I must of
791:  rolled off of the bed.
Interviewer:  Or must of fell
791:  Fell off of the bed.
Interviewer:  fell off of the bed. uh now what the things you put on a horses's feet to uh
791:  Shoes?
Interviewer:  Yeah call them
791:  horseshoes.
Interviewer:  Okay. And you put them in this what? Did did you ever do that? uh
791:  I've helped do it. I've never ho shoed one by myself personally. #1 Now I I #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah. #
791:  I've assisted.
Interviewer:  okay. Some people didn't shoe them they just let the horse's uh
791:  {NW} foot. Hoof.
Interviewer:  Hoof?
791:  Why mo most people don't shoe them. Because it's got so expensive this day and time. #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Really? #
791:  They most people unless they're per doing parading or rodeo and a whole lot why they don't shoe them they just keep their horse's feet trimmed.
Interviewer:  Their hoof their what?
791:  Hoof.
Interviewer:  Hoof? Okay a horse a horse has what four
791:  four feet.
Interviewer:  yeah you call them four
791:  Hooves.
Interviewer:  Okay. Did you um what what did you call the game that you played with the
791:  horseshoes.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  Throw horseshoes.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I bet you were good at that.
791:  #1 I've thrown quite a few #
Interviewer:  #2 you're like tall #
791:  #1 I've thrown #
Interviewer:  #2 tall # yeah
791:  #1 quite a few of them. #
Interviewer:  #2 quite a # yeah. um now the male sheep is the
791:  ewe.
Interviewer:  The male is
791:  oh the male #1 is uh #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah # Did you ever raise them?
791:  No I had didn't raise any sheep.
Interviewer:  yeah.
791:  Raised goats but no sheep. Ram.
Interviewer:  ram? Okay and you shear them for their
791:  wool.
Interviewer:  wool okay. And the male hog is the
791:  boar.
Interviewer:  boar. Okay. and uh now you said a male that's been changed is a
791:  bar
Interviewer:  And a and a female is a
791:  a sow or gilt
Interviewer:  #1 gilt #
791:  #2 okay look #
Interviewer:  Yeah go ahead.
791:  gilt to when she brings pigs and then the sow.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about little little ones what do you call them uh
791:  pigs.
Interviewer:  Pigs? Have a name for a little uh a little male?
791:  Well after they after they wean from their mother why you'd call them shoats.
Interviewer:  How big is a shoat? What is it
791:  Oh around thirty-five forty pounds.
Interviewer:  I see. And then they get to be called uh finally
791:  a hog.
Interviewer:  Okay boar
791:  a boar sow or bar.
Interviewer:  Now the things they have on their back that stand up when they get mad
791:  bristles.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And have you ever gotten gored by the
791:  no I've never been cut by one's tusks but I've come mightly close several times.
Interviewer:  Really? What would you call a hog that that grew up down in the woods a?
791:  Wild boar
Interviewer:  well
791:  or wild hog.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  wild hog.
Interviewer:  Folks used to let them grow out there
791:  oh yeah. Yeah they there's wild hogs now. In some areas.
Interviewer:  Now a noise made by a calf when it's being weaned you say it's
791:  Bleating.
Interviewer:  Bleating? What about
791:  #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 some of the noise # Other noises you hear animals make when they're general noise a cow would make when it's being fed.
791:  Lowing. They cows will low or some people when they you separate them from their calves why the calf some people say the cow is bawling
Interviewer:  yeah
791:  the calves would be bleating or lowing.
Interviewer:  Okay. And a uh a a horse during feeding time a gentle noise of horse
791:  nicker
Interviewer:  nicker?
791:  Nicker.
Interviewer:  Now a a hen on a nest of eggs is called a
791:  sitting hen.
Interviewer:  Okay. And you said you kept him in a chicken house or a what a was that a fenced in area
791:  yeah you could have a fenced in area chicken yard.
Interviewer:  Okay. Did did you ever call it uh uh any other names uh What about a place where you keep the little ones a
791:  brooder. Brooder house
Interviewer:  #1 brooder? #
791:  #2 or brooder pen #
Interviewer:  Okay or a coop #1 yeah #
791:  #2 coop # Right.
Interviewer:  okay. Now when you eat one the the piece that you kept and uh tried to pull apart what do you call remember
791:  pulley bone.
Interviewer:  Pulley bone?
791:  pulley bone.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh what was the did you have any superstitions behind that any stories behind the pulley bone or
791:  Well they claim that whoever got the short piece would uh get married I believe or the long piece I forgot which piece it went.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. I can't either because I've heard #1 I've heard it like that too #
791:  #2 I've heard # I've heard it both ways.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now the inside parts of the chicken that you eat you call a
791:  #1 the breast. #
Interviewer:  #2 you # Okay well maybe the liver the heart the gizzard
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  #1 Chicken #
791:  #2 heart # chicken liver. the chicken gizzard
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  Chicken heart.
Interviewer:  Did folks ever eat the lungs or {NS}
791:  Not that I know of. Okay bye bye. {NS} I don't want no more of this.
Interviewer:  Huh?
791:  I don't want no more of this. I've been {D: verb} in a bus driver {D: unknown word} station here in Burnam there's a lot of {D: word} going on five years.
Interviewer:  yeah.
791:  Headache.
Interviewer:  {NW} Headache. Lots of responsibility. Yeah. Um well any a any names you had for say the edible insides parts of the pig or the calf you ate? You know the entrails or #1 anything like that #
791:  #2 oh yeah # Hey. Back in the older day of course that that's not uh completely gone now. You you buy trite in the grocery store canned.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  But back in the old days why it as the old saying went they didn't throw anything away except the hair and the squeal. That's all you lost in a hog was the hair and the squeal.
Interviewer:  Well tell me tell me all about the hog what you what you uh did with it when you once you scalded it and killed it and that sort of thing.
791:  Well you you kill the hog and cut his throat to where he bleeds or stick him that's what most people call it. You'd stick him in his jugular vein #1 and #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah. #
791:  to bleed him. Then you would have you water boiling and
Interviewer:  Did you use did make anything from the blood?
791:  No no we never we never did make anything from the blood now I've heard of them making uh blood pies from beef but I never did see any of that. I never did
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  I know this modern day where a lot of people use is uh bl- uh beef blood for fish bait. Clotted they call it gel. You just catch the beef blood and put it in the refrigeration and it will be just like jelly in a jar. You'd cut it up into little squares and you can't use it in a stream but you can use it in still bodies of water. They say that catfish can't resist it. But still
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  On these hogs why you would scald a hog and you had to know what you was doing or you'd set the hair. Then you didn't get the hair off you'd have to skin the hog.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  So the way I always do it is to it depends on several different factors. Uh it's extremely cold you get your water to boil and if your hog is just been killed in other words still hot why you would fill your barrel or whatever you're going to scald the hog in with boiling water and usually take about two or three quarts of cold water tap water or well water and dash in it and that's usually will bring it to about the right temperature and you don't want to leave the hog in there for a long period of time you want to take the hog out and let it get air. And that then you sample. And when that hair and hide starts slipping why changing or turn him over and you scald the entire hog in that procedure and then get him out on a bench {NS} or a table and go ahead in and scrape the hog. clean him scrape scrape him or clean him till he's lily white. Then you {NW} split the hog's hind feet and get the heel string out and that's what you call gambling. You have a gambling stick that's tapered on both ends
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  usually about sixteen inches long and it's knots up small amount in the middle enough dead center and then on each end where you have it sloped off why you have a little knot to where that heel string won't slip off but your gambling stick and then you take and spread the hog's hind legs and put the gambling stick in and then it's according to the size of the hog it's uh how many takes to hang him on a hook or a pole whatever you're going to hang the hog on and then you gut the hog. That's in other words you split him down the center in the front between his hind legs all the way to the end of his chin. Take all of his intestines out.
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  When you get all of his intestines out {NS} {NS} That thing's a headache but it's {D: phrase} otherway continuous.
Interviewer:  That's okay and I'm blessed.
791:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NS} Nope. No more #1 {X} #
791:  #2 We should have just went off # up there north the house somewhere and then the wife could have said "No not here!" {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  {NW}
Interviewer:  uh what you were talking about now when you cut the meat the part I I mean the parts of the uh what parts of the hog did you call it you know What about the meat between the shoulders and the ham what do you call that?
791:  The middlings.
Interviewer:  Middlings?
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  You would you after you after you uh clean the hog why get the gotta its intestines out why you let it drip uh rinse it out with clean water and let it drip dry. And then you would it to depend two ways. If you wanted pork chops you split the hog straight down the back bone. Split the back bone completely down the center. If you didn't want pork chops why you split the hog on each side of the back bone. Cut the ribs loose on both sides then all you having was ribs and then you had the back bone which you would cut up into sections and boil or bake or barbecue or whatever you want it. Then if you wanted pork chops you'd set it straight down the center and it depends on the size of the hog or the size of pork chops you want just to have why the rib you would cut to leave on the pork chop. Then you cut in between each set of ribs and that's where you got your pork chops.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 You call that # if you cut it down the middle you call that a what a
791:  Splitting him open.
Interviewer:  #1 uh #
791:  #2 down the # down the center of the #1 backbone. #
Interviewer:  #2 You say a what of bacon a # you had some you hang the bacon so where uh
791:  slab of bacon.
Interviewer:  Slab? A side of
791:  #1 A side of bacon. #
Interviewer:  #2 you get #
speaker#3:  #1 {X} #
791:  #2 side of middling. #
Interviewer:  side of middling?
791:  Right. You had the ham and then you had the fore shoulder and they had the middle middling in between or side in the bacon.
Interviewer:  I see. Uh now the what did you call the salt or sugar cured meat you might boil in your greens uh? Or something #1 {X} #
speaker#3:  #2 {X} # {NW}
Interviewer:  {NS} Did you have you know like you might a little bit of it out and boil it in your greens it was
791:  sea uh to season them you mean #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 yes. #
791:  I don't you'd usually use a small piece of ham hock or uh
Interviewer:  okay.
791:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Did you ever put you know maybe it was kind of fat had some fat in it uh
791:  jowl. That's the part under the neck.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  And you'd it was usually extremely fat so you'd use the jowl and ham hock in for seasoning purposes.
Interviewer:  Okay. Do you ever hear of fatback? What was fatback or uh
791:  well fatback is where you got an extra thick amount of middling. In other words where the middling is extremely fat where it comes up on its back. That's what you call fatback.
Interviewer:  I see when you use that meat for anything or
791:  Well you'd use it for bacon. #1 In other words #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah #
791:  it serves same as
speaker#3:  {D: words} and fry the batter on over it or cook the fat out of it. #1 {X} #
791:  #2 if it's too much fat. #
speaker#3:  {X}
Interviewer:  I see. Um side meat or any any kind of meat you'd boil in your greens or anything like that? You know uh yeah. Streak of lean or anything Do you ever hear of that?
791:  yeah. #1 it'd be a streak of lean #
speaker#3:  #2 {X} #
791:  That's what they call bacon.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh now the kind of meat you'd buy thin sliced and smoked maybe to eat with your eggs that was
791:  bacon.
Interviewer:  Bacon okay. What'd you call the outside that you would cut off of the outside part of the bacon is the pork
791:  skin?
Interviewer:  skin?
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  the okay. Now um if you catch your meat too long you say the meat's turned what?
791:  Spoiled.
Interviewer:  spoiled. Okay. Um Oh I meant what what'd you make from the head? Did you make anything from the head?
791:  Yeah you uh you'd go uh go two routes. Hot tamales now you better be quiet you and your friend Stephanie
speaker#3:  Okay.
Interviewer:  no that's #1 okay #
791:  #2 you # you make hot tamales. Or now you take the head and after you've cleaned it thoroughly why you'd uh put it in a pot and boil it until the meat would just fall off of the bone
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  And you would then season it to make hot tamales. Grind run it through a grinder. And grind it up. And you'd make hot tamales. Or in the older days why they'd make hog head sauce or hog head cheese. #1 Different people had different names. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # I see. Did you ever take that meat made for the head and mix it up with corn meal or anything like that? Or onions or anything uh?
791:  Well no other than making the hot tamales and that's the way you'd make your hot tamales is you scald your meal
Interviewer:  yeah.
791:  And after you seasoned your meat that you boiled off of the head why you season it and if you scald your meal and put small amount of meal and make a little crevice in the meal
Interviewer:  Yeah
791:  And lay it on the shuck. A regular corn shuck.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  And put your seasoning uh meat in the meal. And then roll it and fold each end in and place it in a pot. Well then whenever you got it your pot full you'd take one plate and turn it upside down on the pot. Fill uh put just enough water to steam it. And turn this plate upside down and sit it old-timey wood urn. On top of the plate. To hold the plate down to where the the hot tamales wouldn't rise to the top and where they'd all cook through. And that was making the hot tamales.
Interviewer:  Uh okay did you ever make uh something uh from the liver?
791:  Liver and uh onions.
Interviewer:  Liver and onions?
791:  Hash.
Interviewer:  Hash?
791:  Liver and hash. #1 that's liver #
speaker#3:  #2 and he was like # {D: phrase} polite too.
Interviewer:  How what how is that what would how would you #1 use in a {X}? #
speaker#3:  #2 {X} #
791:  #1 liver and lich. {D: unknown word 'lich'} #
speaker#3:  #2 {X} # {X} {X} {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
speaker#3:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Uh with some hog meat or cornmeal and cook it and after it got cold you'd fry it and slice it Anything like that? Uh
791:  #1 No. #
Interviewer:  #2 You ever # make scrapple or #1 You ever heard of that? #
791:  #2 no. #
Interviewer:  Okay. That's it. Uh {NS} Now um if you catch your butter too long and it didn't taste good you say what happen what would happen?
791:  The butter is rank.
Interviewer:  Rank?
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh What what what uh what now thick sour milk that you've got on hand you'd call
791:  clabber.
Interviewer:  Clabber? Okay.
791:  If it was thick. If it had clabbered. Otherwise it was sour or blue john.
Interviewer:  Blue john?
791:  That's in other words that's milk that uh
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
791:  #2 it's spoilt or # sour And it's not clabbered completely. Lot of people call it blue john because there was very little cream on it.
Interviewer:  Uh did you um ever make anything from the what would you make from the clabber?
791:  You'd churn it. Clabber and make butter.
Interviewer:  Okay. That that that that sour thing uh the sour milk you might make out of uh how's that work?
791:  If it if it was uh refrigerated or in other words if it wasn't {D: dunno what he's saying here} why you could
Interviewer:  yeah
791:  uh use it in making biscuits or bread.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
791:  And same thing applies to the clabber. Why you could use the clabber milk for in other words it serves the same purpose as yeast. It would help to make it rise.
Interviewer:  Did you ever make uh anything else out of clabber uh
speaker#3:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 sort of # cheese or
791:  Make curd.
Interviewer:  curd? Okay.
791:  Out of clabber.
Interviewer:  Alright.
791:  We never did make any cheese.
Interviewer:  Curd is what? Is that a white
791:  it's just as white like you buy cottage cheese
Interviewer:  Cottage cheese?
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  Go on.
Interviewer:  Now um something the the part that the hog okay other parts of the hog you've used that those parts of the
791:  Well you do uh
Interviewer:  The entrails as you call them the what
791:  right. The in intestines or chitlins. You most people referred to them in the old days as chitlins.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  And the way you'd do that why you'd uh when you'd finished uh with your hog and had him safe from flies or squared up and couldn't bother him why you'd have a chitlins covered and you'd clean those.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
791:  And after you had had cleaned them and got all of the {D: words?} tallow or fan off of them why then you would turn him wrong side out. When you had cleaned the in uh the outside and got everything off of him Why you'd take you a little stick about sixteen inches long Usually about as big around as your small finger usually peel it and just start at the end and catch a little bit of the intestine. And just run the stick through and work the intestine on the stick and when you went wadded it all up on the stick pull it and you had it turned completely wrong side out. And that's when you uh went to work and washed the out inside of the chitlin when you had it turned outside when you had it turned wrong side out why then you would clean it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  And a lot of the housewives that in the old days why they even went through the trouble to plait them.
Interviewer:  That's
791:  plait the chitlins.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  In other words you could boil them make them tender as you season it or if you wanted to you could parboil them and then fry. That was your chitlins.
Interviewer:  Parboil.
791:  Boil them for a few minutes to make them tender.
Interviewer:  I see.
791:  And then fry them.
Interviewer:  Now if it's you might hear your cow mooing and your horse neighing you'd say well my guess it's getting kind of late I didn't realize it was getting onto
791:  feeding time.
Interviewer:  Feeding time. Okay. Uh What was now Imma ask you what about haslets? Did you ever have haslets or did you ever hear that name? Okay {D: word} harsley maybe right here? Uh now. Now uh ways you might call your your animals are in a farm. How would you call a horse uh Call to a cow first uh. How would you call cow?
791:  Well you call a cow by hollering oo shuck shuck shuck.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  #1 Or you'd say it loud. #
Interviewer:  #2 And uh we yell # Yeah. Now we yell like {X} Like that. That in itself they wouldn't come like that. How do you call a horse?
791:  Whistle. Whistle for the horse.
Interviewer:  Whistle?
791:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh any other words or just just whistle generally?
791:  Well if uh if the horse's name if they if the horse was in other words if you knew the horse and his name his name was flied to him why you could holler {NW} come on Macata! Or whatever the horse's name was. Which my horse now I can call her that way and she'd be here in just a few minutes. Yeah.
Interviewer:  What uh {X} when you call her a calf. How about when you call a calf.
791:  Come on baby or sooka, sooka.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh and when you're call the horse to turn right or left in plowing.
791:  Gee for right haul for the left.
Interviewer:  Okay. What what about when you call a sheep? Did folks have a
791:  I never I never raised any sheep boy I never did have no occasion to call them.
Interviewer:  And when you're feeding chickens.
791:  Chickens. Chick chick chick!
Interviewer:  Okay now when you're feeding your hogs you might saw
791:  {NW} piggy. Pig.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What would you say to a to a horse that's stomping?
791:  Woo.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay and to uh when you wanted to when you were standing on him when he was still and you wanted to get him going.
791:  Get up.
Interviewer:  Get up.
791:  Get up.
Interviewer:  Or
791:  yeah {D: phrase}
Interviewer:  {D: phrase} Okay. And if you really wanted to get it moving when he was just trotting along you might say
791:  Tap him with a line.
Interviewer:  Tap him with a line. That now when you're riding a horse you call that what when you're riding when it came back from those of his when you're riding a horse you held onto the
791:  reins.
Interviewer:  Reins? Okay. And uh when you're in a wagon you held onto the uh
791:  lines.
Interviewer:  The lines? Okay. Um Okay. Uh what you put your feet into what you put your feet into when you're
791:  in oh in a stirrup. You mean in a when you're riding a horse.
Interviewer:  Yes. Okay. And uh if you when you plow if you had two two horses what'd you call two of them uh that you're plowing?
791:  King?
Interviewer:  Well.
791:  Or a pair.
Interviewer:  Okay but did your daddy mate one from the other or one maybe walked to the furrow uh and one walked outside the furrow something like that.
791:  Yeah well you usually have one walking the balk or and one walk in the furrow or one on each side of the balk. That's usually they they both was walking in the furrow. In other words you'd have a narrow balk in the middle.
Interviewer:  I see. What'd you call the one maybe on the left or uh if you just use this uh not a middle buster just a single turn plow something like that.
791:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 One horse would # Would there be one horse? That did most of the work uh or?
791:  If you was using just the one horse well if you're using a pair why you'd usually you uh see that they both did their part if it was heavy pulling.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  In other words you might kind of hold back to The one on the right if he was taking most of the load you'd hold him back and make that other one give that other one little punch or tap for the line to make him pick up and do his part.
Interviewer:  Uh now if something's not right near a hen you say it's just a little just a oh that's just a little
791:  little jump or
Interviewer:  Little jump over there?
791:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay uh uh that's just a
791:  hop step and jump.
Interviewer:  Little what down the road #1 That's #
791:  #2 little distance. #
Interviewer:  Little distance down the road Okay. If you've been traveling and hadn't finished your journey you might say you still got a what to go before dark? I still got a
791:  A mile to go or a ways to go.
Interviewer:  A ways to go? Okay. Four piece?
791:  Four four piece.
Interviewer:  Now if you slipped on the ice and fell this way you'd say you fell
791:  backwards.
Interviewer:  Okay and if you fell this way you fell
791:  forward.
Interviewer:  Somebody asks you do you did you catch any fish? You might say No, blank a one. No
791:  not any.
Interviewer:  Not any? Okay. Ever used nary? Nary a one.
791:  {NW} Nary a one. Yeah I've heard it used.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh Now uh hen you got rid of all the brushes the brush and trees on your land you say you're doing what to the land you're
791:  cleaning it up Clearing it.
Interviewer:  Clearing it? Okay. Uh talking about hay uh that uh the second cut in the hay you might call the
791:  It'd usually be the best cut.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did folks have a name for it? Does it distinguish between the first cut and then the
791:  Nothing nothing that I know of other than the first cutting or second cutting or the last cutting.
Interviewer:  I see. Okay now when you came out to the pasture in spring there might be a whole bunch of dead hay on the what do you call that the something that was left over from the cutting in the fall Does folks have a name for that?
791:  Not that I know of just other than something that was left over and they usually mess you up when you're cutting a bale of hay.
Interviewer:  something will it?
791:  Yes it will mess you up.
Interviewer:  Leftover hay?
791:  Leftover hay in a hay mat.
Interviewer:  Why's that?
791:  Well whenever the hay whenever your young grass starts growing and grows up why that hay is left laying on the ground. The old hay that was left on the hay matter why it was left in the field the previous cut why then when you start mowing the new hay that's come up and grow ready to cut why when you start cutting it why this old hay's loose and rotten will hang on all your teeth and instead of you sickle of cutting the hay it'll just go to dragging it over. Riding it over. And then you've got to stop clean all your teeth off and start over. Back up move all the old rotten hay in other words you have to have it clean.
Interviewer:  Huh. Um now what if one year you planted say corn in a field and the next year you planted peanuts and up between the peanut rows would come up
791:  stalks of corn.
Interviewer:  Yeah what do you call that corn?
791:  Volunteer stock.
Interviewer:  Volunteer? Okay. Uh wheat is tied up into a
791:  Bundle.
Interviewer:  Bundle. And then you might pile it into the bundles or sheathes are piled into a did did you ever or hay same thing with hay uh #1 You ever #
791:  #2 a stack. #
Interviewer:  Stack? Okay you might to say we were raised forty what of
791:  bundles or stacks.
Interviewer:  Forty what of wheat to the acre? Forty
791:  Bushels
Interviewer:  forty bushels an acre? What do you have to do with oats to to keep the uh to get the grain from the rest of it?
791:  Combine.
Interviewer:  I see you say you're doing what your oats?
791:  I never have did much of that.
Interviewer:  Or wheat uh you what do you have to do to to get the grain from the
791:  trash it or? I'm not familiar with their process of of
Interviewer:  Okay. Well that that um now uh uh You were talking about the bread the the stuff you made earlier what what do you call flour baked in loaves?
791:  Loaves of bread.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh Any um like what about uh would you have any different types of
791:  No usually why you have pom cornbread or a loaf of bread if you bake light bread
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
791:  #2 The old # fashioned way. Make make it with yeast.
Interviewer:  Okay what what light bread that was?
791:  It was made of yeast.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
791:  Which lots of people still make. It's the same type of bread that they did back in the twenties and thirties by using yeast and flour #1 and make a #
Interviewer:  #2 I see #
791:  pom of bread. A loaf of bread. Or a roll.
Interviewer:  Alright. Um did did did you have any other types of bread uh that you'd make? Would you um
791:  Biscuits, cornbread and
Interviewer:  Well biscuits they were they were cooked in a in a pan, a
791:  In a pan.
Interviewer:  Okay. Any other kinds cooked in a pan a? Did Did your wife ever make any um
speaker#3:  Rolls.
791:  Rolls?
Interviewer:  Rolls? Yeah.
791:  Make rolls and cornbread and biscuits.
Interviewer:  Uh you were talking about using uh cheese in your bread. What would you call that type of bread? Or milk?
791:  Milk.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  Not cheese. #1 Milk. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
791:  Well you just call it uh buttermilk rolls #1 or #
Interviewer:  #2 butter #
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  Okay.
791:  Which you buy today in the grocery store buttermilk rolls.
Interviewer:  I see.
791:  Made out of buttermilk.
Interviewer:  Did did uh you ever make any with potatoes in it uh?
791:  No we never
Interviewer:  #1 never? #
791:  #2 did make any. #
Interviewer:  Never made any? Potatoes in it or? Okay. Alright. So um the topping of that cornbread though you said you you'd use a you you bake it in a large tank
791:  Large pan or a large skillet.
Interviewer:  I see.
791:  According to the size of the family.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NW}
791:  Like it is with us now two of us here why a very small skillet or pan of bread.
Interviewer:  Okay. And you might call that a what a
791:  Pom of bread.
Interviewer:  Okay what was a pom? That one's a
791:  That was just a baking of bread regardless of whether it was in a pan or a skillet. #1 uh #
speaker#3:  #2 {X} #
791:  Lot of people call it a pom.
Interviewer:  I see. Now I had in a in a restaurant today I had a uh kind of a long round thing about like you know round and about this long
791:  Corn stick.
Interviewer:  Okay corn stick? What's a corndodger? Do
791:  Well a corn dodger and I think where it got its name was they used to be a brand or meal. Corndodger meal was the name of the brand.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  Brand name.
speaker#3:  {X}
791:  That's back years ago.
Interviewer:  uh-huh.
791:  Corndodger meal. If I'm not mistaken it had the picture of a red-headed peckerwood on the side.
Interviewer:  Really?
791:  Yeah.
speaker#3:  It still does at least in the
791:  #1 do they still have it? #
speaker#3:  #2 {NW} #
791:  #1 Well they #
speaker#3:  #2 It has a #
Interviewer:  #1 Peckerwood? #
speaker#3:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  that
791:  a red red-headed peckerwood that pecks on the pollard trees that's now that's that's been back yonder in the thirties I can #1 remember then. #
Interviewer:  #2 yes. #
791:  #1 And she says it's still #
speaker#3:  #2 {X} #
791:  Still got it.
Interviewer:  Now uh talking about that uh cornmeal though um the corndodger was that a certain shape or size of piece of cornbread or?
791:  Not not necessarily not corndodger it was uh most people just referred to it even a piece as corndodger well it was because it was back them days why it was why it was mostly made off corndodger brand meals.
Interviewer:  I see. Oh oh I get it So it could be any just piece or shape or
791:  right.
Interviewer:  Okay now then something cooked in a big a big kind of a fat piece cooked in a skillet you'd call a
791:  a cone.
Interviewer:  A cone. Did you ever have a little smaller one thinner one a?
791:  Yeah a lot a yeah a lot of people my wife cook cooks occasionally back a long time ago she did a good bit of cooked uh cornbread in the muffin pan.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
791:  #2 In other words # make each little
speaker#3:  {X} corn muffin.
791:  corn muffin. #1 corn meal muffins. #
Interviewer:  #2 uh-huh. #
791:  #1 Made in a muffin pan #
Interviewer:  #2 uh-huh. #
791:  like you'd make sweet muffins in.
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  And then she also has a a cast iron I guess you would call it a skillet that you make corn sticks in this day and time you.
speaker#3:  Made by corn
791:  basically it's all {D: phrase} blown pieces made out of cast iron and looks like a stick of corn because it's got the imprint in the cast iron for each grain of corn where you just put your meal in each one of those and bake it and it comes out a corn meal stick.
Interviewer:  Would you ever boil any in in cheesecloth with your greens or something like that?
speaker#3:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Like a #
791:  #2 no. #
speaker#3:  like a
Interviewer:  corn
791:  #1 I've heard of corn meal mush #
Interviewer:  #2 no? #
791:  but I never did hear of #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 What was corn meal mush? #
791:  it was where you uh season the meal. And and more or less put water in it and cook it till it was something similar to grits. This day and time like
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  Cornmeal mush.
Interviewer:  I see.
speaker#3:  {X}
Interviewer:  Now talking about grits that was what that was uh grits was cracked finely cracked cornmeal?
791:  Right. It
Interviewer:  Did did you have any
791:  fine
Interviewer:  Excuse me.
791:  It was ground but not as fine as meal.
Interviewer:  Okay. Did you have any big kind of puff kernels maybe after you leeched the shell off the kernel uh You'd eat those?
791:  No you uh whenever you uh shelled your corn and {D: word} charactered the meal why you either had chops made out of it or meal uh if you was having it made into meal why you could tell the man that was running the meal that you'd love to have some grits also why then he'd take a certain amount of your corn and make grits out of it.
Interviewer:  I see.
791:  And then if you want to eat something good why have the wife make some uh lye hominy.
Interviewer:  Yeah what is that?
791:  That's when you take the large grains of corn and you clean it thoroughly be sure there's no husk in it
Interviewer:  Yeah.
791:  And put uh now the old fashioned way was take oak ashes out of the fireplace. Take the oak ashes. Do them up in a {D: spelling/word} claw. Put the corn in water in a washcloth. Put this piece of cloth that's got your ashes tied up in it in the washcloth. Cook the hominy until the husk and the eye of the little kernel eye of the corn would slip out. And when it would all slip off and the eye or corn would slip out why it was done. You'd take it out wash the corn through several waters until all the husk and these little small particles that is the eye of the grain of corn came off to where you didn't have nothing but the clean grain of corn Well it then all you had to do was add salt to it and a lot of people why they'd cook it with fry it after it was uh made into hominy why you'd take and add a small amount of grease and you cooking utensil and put your hominy in there and a little salt and uh stew it down. In other words put some lard in.
Interviewer:  Okay now that was puffed up yellow?
791:  Puffed up yellow off white.
Interviewer:  Oh I see. {NW} {NW}
791:  Hominy.
Interviewer:  {NW}
791:  Butter and hominy you buy out of grocery stores this day and time.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. Uh now did you ever cook any you mentioned mush was that the kind that you cooked in a deep pan and it came out soft like potatoes or
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  I see. Did did you ever maybe make any that you just mixed maybe uh the uh cracklings from um the {D: word} fall fat in there?
791:  Oh yeah. Yeah that's crackling bread.
Interviewer:  Crackling bread?
791:  And yeah we have them out in groceries these days. #1 Yeah these #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
791:  We make it all pretty regularly here.
Interviewer:  Really?
791:  #1 I have #
speaker#3:  #2 I put pepper in it. #
791:  Now you put pepper in it.
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
speaker#3:  #2 {X} #
791:  Jalapeño pepper.
speaker#3:  Jalapeño pepper is makes it better.
Interviewer:  Okay any uh uh what about the type you might boil in a deep pan a these little round uh balls you eat them with with seafood a lot uh
791:  Fish. And
speaker#3:  Called hushpuppies.
791:  Hushpuppies.
Interviewer:  With hushpuppies? Okay. Um did you ever cook any in the ashes? Any any other sort of cornbread mashes?
791:  We never did.
Interviewer:  Okay.
speaker#3:  We did.
Interviewer:  Y'all did?
speaker#3:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
speaker#3:  You put you put that bread in the skillet and then put another skillet I mean the top on it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
speaker#3:  And then you put the other You put down the hot corn you put hot corn on top. And you cook it that way cause {X} it'll stay there. It takes longer because the sticker.
Interviewer:  Okay.
speaker#3:  {X}
Interviewer:  Alright. Um well now uh the two there's difference there's a lot of difference between the kind of bread you make at home and the kind you buy the store the kind you buy at the store
791:  light bread.
Interviewer:  Light bread that's the kind you buy at the store? Okay. Now did you ever eat anything dried in deep fat had a hole in the middle of it a?
791:  Donuts.
Interviewer:  Donuts. Okay any different types or? uh That you'd make that your wife would make uh?
791:  No just plain plain donut.
Interviewer:  Okay. In making your rise with yest or baking powder different?
791:  Oh yeah you you'd have to add the yeast or baking powder to make it rise.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh now sometimes you might mix up a batter and make these in the morning and put syrup on them and
791:  hotcakes.
Interviewer:  Hotcakes.
791:  Hotstacks.
Interviewer:  Okay.
speaker#3:  flapjacks.
Interviewer:  Flapjacks?
791:  Right.
Interviewer:  You ever call flitters or anything?
791:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Flitters? Okay.
speaker#3:  {X}