794: the milk truck come by here but {C: muffled} but he'd find it quick and we'd go to town {C: muffled} to buy it {C: muffled} at the store {C: muffled} Interviewer: We're talking about the hogs, the person who would kill and sell meat is called a? 794: Well you you call it uh well if you sell it, kill it and sell it uh green sometimes sell the whole hog together that that's pork. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: And if you cut it up and and sell it out thataway while it's green that's called pork but if you salt it down they call it bacon Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What do they call the the person who sells it? who cuts it up and 794: Well Well if it's just out like I am here uh they don't uh particularly have any name for it but uh so many people used to kill and sell it thataway they just all call it uh country meat you see. and uh Interviewer: Well say, the person who's doing the killing and the selling 794: #1 well that's the, # Interviewer: #2 and they called it # 794: they call that the owner. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: The owner of it. Yeah. Interviewer: What would you call a man who works in a store um 794: #1 You call that, # Interviewer: #2 behind the meat # 794: that the merchant well if he's in a market, selling meat and all uh that's a market man. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: and and uh they he generally if he buys stuff alive and has it killed, butchered the man he does that you call that the butcher man. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. If meat's been kept too long and it doesn't taste right, you'd say that it's done what? 794: Well uh if it's kept long and it don't taste right you see they have to keep it in these markets that they they don't salt it at all you see uh, they keep it on ice frigid air and all and and and keep it where it stays cold all the time but after it stays there so long it tastes a little old why they ain't supposed to keep it on a certain length of time see they have to get rid of it Interviewer: What would you call a child who always gets its own way? 794: Its which? Interviewer: A child that always gets its own way, his parents will do anything for him. You'd say the child is 794: A good child or oh uh agreeable Interviewer: But what if he's not like that, what if he 794: Well he he's mean, a- a- and he won't uh, and he won't obey Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: He's uh uh kind of uh um mean kind of a child or hardheaded or Interviewer: What if it's used to every, always getting his own way? He'll throw 794: Well uh e- e- e- He's uh If he gets in the way he he just uh kind of contrary child Interviewer: Mm-hmm. After you kill a hog, what can you make with the meat from its head? 794: Well you can make uh you can make uh you take the head and feet and make hog headed cheese they used to call it souse. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: But you make it, hog they call it hog headed cheese now or you could take the liver and the heart and you can make um I'll be doggone I done forgot that, I know what it is but Well I'll say Can't think of it Hmm. Interviewer: Could you make anything out of the blood? 794: Out of the blood? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Yeah you can, some people make pudding out of, blood pudding. I never did like it though. Interviewer: How would they make it? 794: Well They'd take it and uh They they they they wouldn't sweeten it they didn't put uh sugar in it, they'd put salt in it and a little flour in it and they'd put uh some sage in it a little pepper and mix it up thataway and cook it, mix it all together see and cook it Interviewer: What would they make out of the liver? 794: Well uh Hash. Make hash out of the liver, that's what I was trying to think of awhile ago. Make hash out of the liver. Or you could fry the liver Interviewer: mm-hmm 794: and eat it and fry the liver or you could cut it up small and make hash out of it Interviewer: If you left, um, if you didn't put meat in the refrigerator, if you left it out for several days? 794: Well it'd spoil. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: It'd spoil thataway. Interviewer: What's the first thing you have to do after milking? To get the hair? 794: You bring your milk in and you strain it. {NS} Strain it through a strainer. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: Or a thin cloth that you way back yonder used to use thin cloths for it you see but now they have strainers for it Interviewer: Uh-huh. And, a kind of fruit that grows down in Florida. 794: Fruit? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Well uh they raise oranges out there Interviewer: Say if you had a bowl of oranges and one day you went in to get one and there weren't any left. You'd say the oranges are? 794: All gone. Interviewer: And if you left an apple lying around, and it dried up you'd say the skin of that dried apple was all 794: was all dried up Interviewer: Or it gets smaller and #1 wrinkled? # 794: #2 gets smaller, wrinkled or # shrinks. It shrinks up. Interviewer: Do you ever say it shrivels up or shrivels? 794: Yeah, shrivels up that's right. Shrivels or shrinks either one. Interviewer: And on a cherry, the inside part of a cherry that you don't eat, it's called a 794: Seed. Interviewer: What about in a peach? 794: Well a peach it has a seed too, you don't eat that and uh not many people eats the peeling. Some eats the peeling, where it's a good ripe peach they wash it you see and they'll eat the peeling too, but th- they generally peel them. Just like a apple. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: eh eh You peel apples. Now uh way back yonder when people used to raise apples why they'd eat peeling and all. The doctor says that there's more medicine in the peeling than there is in the apple. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: But uh they put something on them now, they claim and say you're not supposed to eat them. Course I I buy I eat a lot of apples I buy apples nearly every time I go to town but I wash my apples but I peel it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: They the peeling that's on it now it's tough and it's kinda hard to chew Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: And they claim that's not good for you to eat but the old and before they put this desert or whatever call uh kinda some kind of something on there I don't know, some kind of a liquid I don't know what it was that they put on there it makes it tough and they claim it's not good to to eat. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What part of the apple, besides the peeling, do you not eat? 794: The, the meat. You mean what kind do I eat? Interviewer: What kind, what part do you throw away? 794: Oh you throw the peeling away. Interviewer: And what else? 794: And the seed. Interviewer: uh-huh 794: Throw sow throw the seed away course they're really fine seeds these apples is they have a lot of seed in them not like a peach you see a peach just had one seed in it and the apple has a lot of seed but they're small little black seed Interviewer: When you open up the seed of a peach, what do you call that part inside it? 794: The kernel. Interviewer: And there's one kind of peach that it's hard to get the meat off the seed 794: That's the pressed seed. Interviewer: What's the other kind? 794: Clear seed. Interviewer: And when you cut up apples and dry them, you say you're making? 794: You make dried apples, you can make dried apple pies out of them Interviewer: Have you ever heard dried apples called snit? 794: Yeah, I've heard of them but I don't believe I ever did eat any. Interviewer: You've heard of? 794: Kind of a dried apple snip. Snip I believe they called it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Where did you hear that? 794: Huh? Interviewer: Where did you hear that? 794: Where'd I, what'd I do with that or? Interviewer: Where did you hear that? 794: Oh Oh I don't know I don't remember, it's been years on that account I don't remember, several different people talking you know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Just a second. What different kinds of nuts grow around here? 794: Pecans. Hickory nuts. and uh Chinkapins. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: I believe that's all. Interviewer: What, what kind of 794: Black, black walnuts is but very few people that has those, used to be a lot of them here but not many here now. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: The black walnut and the pecans. and chinkapins. Interviewer: What kind grows in the ground? 794: Which? Interviewer: What kind of nut grows down in the ground? 794: Well um Interviewer: You'd roast it. 794: They don't any kind grows here in the ground, now I'd heard this is just hearsay I never did see them grow I've heard that coconut grows in ground Interviewer: Uh-huh. But what, what would you plant here that you'd roast? 794: Peanuts. Interviewer: Is there another name for peanuts? 794: Penders. Interviewer: Is that the same thing? 794: Yeah, penders and peanuts all the same yeah. Interviewer: What's the kind of nut that's shaped like your eye? 794: Shaped like your eye? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or, you know the Hershey bars that you can buy? There's two kinds, there's Hershey bars that are plain and then there's Hershey bars with what kind of nut? 794: Well some is uh well um peanuts, and some with uh pecans and there's some with uh butter nuts English walnuts Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: I don't believe they well the- they make some, some candy with coconuts you see, with coconut make coconut candy Interviewer: What about almond or almond? 794: Well you make almond candy too. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: But I never did see any almonds grow. Interviewer: When a walnut first comes off the tree, it's got a soft green covering on it. 794: Yeah it has a green covering on it and that's the outside bark, they call it and that dries you see and you get that off Interviewer: And then you have to crack the 794: You, you have to crack that break it you see to get that uh the meat part out of it Interviewer: What do you call the harder part that you have to crack? 794: The hull. Interviewer: And, what different things would people grow in a garden around here? 794: Well they grow uh turnips, mustard pepper squashes cucumbers tomatoes peas beans things like that. Interviewer: What different kinds of beans? 794: Well butter beans and uh pole beans {NS} course there's several different kinds you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Is there another name for pole beans? 794: Pinto. Pinto beans. Interviewer: Is that the same as pole beans? 794: Well uh It- It's a running bean but it's a different kind of a bean, it has a different flavor from the pole bean. Interviewer: What about green beans or snap beans? 794: Well snap beans uh that generally uh a pole bean, that's a running bean you have to stick in you see, sticks for them to run up on and then there, there's uh there's a low bean that you that you uh don't have to stick called a butter bean Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Is there another name for butter beans? 794: I never did {D: hear it.} Interviewer: What about Lima beans? 794: Well there's Lima beans too Interviewer: There's what? 794: Yeah a Lima bean, that that's a different kind of bean from a pole, from a butter bean. Interviewer: How's it different? 794: Well it's a different flavor. It's just like uh a black-eyed pea and a purple hull pea Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: and a Dixie lee pea and and the clay pea a clay pea is what they call a field pea goes in the field and it's for people can eat it or stock can eat it Interviewer: What does a butter bean look like? #1 What color? # 794: #2 Well it's # a little bunching, it ha- it has a little kind of a flat bean has two or three beans to it it's kind of a flat bean or something like the size of the end of your finger thataway Interviewer: To get it out you have to? 794: Yeah you have to break it you have to break this to get it out and some of them's a little hard to break Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Or if they're real dry you can't hardly break them with your, with your hand your finger and your thumb but if they're green you could just turn up a {X} around away and smash them and break them Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What do you say you're doing, when you do that? 794: Well that is uh shelling them Interviewer: Uh-huh. Well, how does a butter bean and a Lima bean look different? 794: well uh a butter bean is is shorter and a more of a flat bean Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: than a Lima bean is. Interviewer: What's a little red thing that grows down in the ground? 794: Radishes. Interviewer: And, what do you call the kind of tomatoes that don't get any bigger than this? 794: Uh that's the uh I can't think of the name of it but it's an old time tomato just a small uh small tomato a little bunch tomato it grows out and makes a big bush you know just has lots of tomatoes on it I forget what they call them a w- uh Interviewer: Did you ever hear Tommy Toes or salad tomatoes? 794: I don't believe I did. And then we have other tomatoes here we have uh uh kind of a small tomato or it's larger than those tomatoes uh shape of a pear Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: I always call them prairie tomatoes but that's not the correct name for them I don't remember what they what they call it but I always call it a prairie tomato and then we have several different kinds of tomatoes uh have the big boy tomato and uh what kind is this that we've got planted? aux: Rooters, and then the uh alley tomato, 794: Yeah. aux: That's them little tomatoes. 794: Yeah different kinds you know. But they they all about the same size tomato all except this little prairie tomato it's smaller only they have different flavor Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What kinds of potatoes do you grow? 794: Sweet potatoes and Irish potatoes. Interviewer: Is there another name for sweet potatoes? 794: Well no No other name except different kinds of sweet potatoes. There's uh, there's a yam, {X} yam Interviewer: What does a yam look like? 794: Oh it it's uh kind of a red a yellowish looking {NS} color and there's a Puerto Rico potato it has a pink peeling on it Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: and uh {NS} there's a gold russet potato it has uh a kind of a a yellow peeling on it and uh there's a white potato sweet potato called {X} {X} potato I don't see any of them now Interviewer: Is this white sweet potato? 794: Yeah white white uh peeling of it white they call it {X} potato and it tastes sorta like the flavoring of a banana Interviewer: Hmm. 794: But I haven't saw any of them for years and years my father used to grow them Interviewer: I don't think I've ever seen those, that kind. 794: And they're they're not a large round potato they're a long potato they grow from that size up size your arm here and they'd grow to that long or something like that long Interviewer: They grow about ten inches #1 long? # 794: #2 Yeah. # Eight or ten inches long. That's called a {X} potato. Interviewer: What's something that's green and people cook it in gumbo? It's a green vegetable, it's, you've probably got it planted out here. 794: Well uh We have pepper and we have uh uh cucumbers and tomatoes and uh some puts uh a cabbage in them cabbage greens Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: And mix it thataway. Interviewer: Well what, what would you have planted, it's green it's about this long and it's kinda bristly outside and sticky inside. 794: Oh okra? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Okra yeah. Interviewer: You growing that? 794: Yeah we grow that too. and it's two or three different kinds of it there's one kind it's uh it's shape of a diamond Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: It don't grow to be very long. Some thataway to that about like that and then they have another okra it's a slick kind of okra it grows long pods thataway {D: it it} yeah uh-huh six or eight inches long and it it's a kind of a round pod of okra Interviewer: But the other one's about the size of your finger? 794: Yeah that's right. Interviewer: Um, something that would make your eyes water if you cut it would be 794: Do which? Interviewer: What would make your eyes water if you cut it? 794: Oh that's uh onions Interviewer: What do you call the little ones that you pull up and eat before they get very big? 794: That's a multiplying multiplying onion Interviewer: Any other name for them? 794: Well I never did hear of any other kind except multiplying that's all I ever heard for that kind and and then there's uh there's a evergreen onion that's a kind of a winter winter kind of an onion Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: And then there's Bermuda onions that makes a large root to it Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Some of them grows to be as uh as large as uh the top of that glass there something like the size of a large Irish potato aux: Do you play that back for your school? Interviewer: Yeah. aux: You will? {NW} {C:laughter} Interviewer: Someone will listen to it. aux: Ah, and some will study it, yeah. Interviewer: Um, what are some uh what different kinds of squash do people have? 794: Well uh {NS} I don't know what the names of the squashes was one kind of squash that all we ever used here just squash is all I ever did know I never did hear that correct name or what kind of squash it was Interviewer: Did you ever hear of a, a white flat kind of squash? 794: I don't believe I did. Interviewer: And, something that's um you make pie out of at Thanksgiving, 794: Well that's pumpkins or {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. What other kinds of melons do people raise? 794: Melon watermelon mush melon cantaloupes Interviewer: What's the difference between mush melon and cantaloupe? 794: Well a mush melon is larger uh that there's some like that size and a cantaloupe is small and a cantaloupe is a little better flavor than a mush melon is Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Are there different kinds of watermelons? 794: Yeah there's different kinds of watermelons there's the what they call used to call the old time watermelon rattlesnake watermelon that's a large watermelon with uh uh dark stripes across it and uh the rind is green you see and there's a dark darker stripes across it and uh then there's uh what they call uh a sugar watermelon {D: or Kleckley} sweet {D: Kleckley} sweet watermelon Interviewer: What do they look like? 794: Well they're they're a kind of a long one with a green one they're about generally about that long and about that large around Interviewer: About how many inches long? 794: Well they're from all the way from twelve to fourteen inches long and then there's a marlin melon the same color a that but they grow larger they grow from from uh ten {NS} to eighteen inches long Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: And uh there's a cubed queen that's green melon it grows about from eight to twelve inches long. and uh there's uh a yellow meated melon that has there's two different kinds of them one of them is a kind of a striped kind it's a round melon and then there's a long green green rind melon it's about from twelve to fourteen inches long it's something like the shape of a Kleckley sweet or the marlin melon only it don't oh grow to be as large Interviewer: What's something that's green that grows round, that people would grow in the garden? You'd mentioned cabbage, what else? 794: Let's see um Interviewer: What's kind of like cabbage? 794: Let's see um What kind of a flavor it's supposed to have #1 do you # Interviewer: #2 well no # it's not a melon, it's just something that 794: Grows green? Interviewer: It's kind of like cabbage. Do you have cabbage planted out here? 794: Yeah. Interviewer: What else do you have? 794: Collards Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Cabbage and collards. And a course we have uh turnips and mustard they're green you see but you know turnips is uh you can eat the roots of that that grows underground that uh well it grows kinda on top of the ground Interviewer: #1 you don't # 794: #2 actually # round and like and you can eat the greens of it too and uh there's lettuce Interviewer: Uh-huh 794: you can grow that Interviewer: How does that grow? It comes in 794: Well it uh it grows kinda like uh a cabbage does kinda heads like makes a round head sorta like cabbage green does Interviewer: If you wanted to buy some, you'd ask for maybe three, what of lettuce three 794: Well let's see. You'd have to call for lettuce, you see. Interviewer: You'd ask for three? 794: Yeah it- and and uh when you buy it out of your store sometime the outside leaves is been there too long you see you peel that off it just like a cabbage you buy these cabbage heads in there and you have to peel the outside part of them off there Interviewer: Would you ever use the word head talking about children? Like if someone had five children, to say he had five heads of children? 794: Yeah five head of children. Interviewer: How does that sound? 794: Well It It didn't sound too good for to say heads of children for heads of things that's more like cattle or hogs you see and you call it heads Interviewer: What if someone had about fourteen children? You'd say he really had a 794: Large family. Large family of children. Interviewer: Do you ever say a passel? 794: Well I've heard that too but uh a passel of children uh but uh eh Sounded more convenient for a family of children than it did passel of children Interviewer: The outside of the corn is called the 794: Shuck. Interviewer: And the stringy stuff? 794: This which? Interviewer: The stringy stuff on it. 794: Grains. Interviewer: Or that you, the strings that grow on 794: Oh uh that's the silk Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: The silk on it. They have, you have the the cob the grain the silk and the shuck Interviewer: What grows at the top of the corn stalk? 794: uh tassel. Interviewer: And the kind of corn that's tender enough to eat off the cob? 794: That's roasting ears. Interviewer: Is that a particular kind of corn or just 794: Well uh No You can you can uh eat out of a a field corn or a sweet corn uh course there's uh there's different kind of field corn and uh there's one kind of corn course when it's in roasting ears it's all soft enough to eat but there's one kind they call prolific there's two different kinds of prolific one's the Jarvis prolific it's a yellow kind of a corn it it makes good fresh corn to eat and there's hastings prolific it's a white corn and when it gets dry it's hard Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: eh uh A horse that hadn't got good teeth can't eat it and it hadn't got the oil in it that the the other oh the Jarvis prolific it hadn't got i mean the hastings prolific it hadn't got the flavoring so much oil and all and a good flavor is Jarvis prolific is and then there's um there's a shoe pig corn it's a yellow corn with long green corn it has a little hook on the end of it sorta like the end of your fingernail Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: That give up to be the best corn there is that's the kind of corn that I have here and then they have a yellow dent corn it's a yellow corn but uh it uh not such uh a rich kind of a corn and then they have uh red cob rogers corn it's something like equal to the shoe pig corn Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: and that's about all the kind of corn I believe well no there ain't there's another kind of corn there's a red kind of a corn uh I don't know what they call just a red red corn red field corn the grains is red and then they used to have a corn it different color grains some of them's red and some of them's blue and some of them's yellow that's what they call a strawberry corn Interviewer: Would you eat that? 794: Yeah it's really good it's good it makes it's good for stock to eat and it's good for people to eat and makes good meal too {D:wet} meal or for bread or good roasting ears Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Either one of them. Interviewer: What would you call a little umbrella shaped that grows up in the woods or fields after it rains? 794: This what? Interviewer: A little umbrella shaped thing, that grows up in the woods or the fields after it rains? If you'd had a heavy rain, some of them are big and white and it'd just spring up 794: That's not a berry is it? Interviewer: No it's something you'd have out in your yard maybe, it looks like a little umbrella. 794: Oh oh that's uh uh a China that's what they call a China tree a umbrella China tree aux: {X} Interviewer: Or smaller though, not a tree just a little #1 plant that # 794: #2 a little plant? # aux: {X} 794: I believe you got me on that. {NW} {C: laughing} Interviewer: Do you ever hear of a toadstool or a frog bench? 794: No I've heard of uh a frog beds Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: something like that there frogs makes them a bed you know out in the ground Interviewer: What's something though that would grow in the yard? That's shaped like a little umbrella, it's got a little stem to it and then a little cap on top. It's real soft, you could just kick it over. 794: Oh that's uh crawfish crawfish bed it's dirt the crawfish and there's crawfish and now they make a hold in the ground and and and they make a around here and and build it up sometimes that high Interviewer: Well something that grows though after say if you had a heavy rain something that would spring up that grows out in, in the yard 794: Is it a kind of weed? Interviewer: Well aux: {NW} {C: laughter} 794: I don't believe I can think of it. aux: {X} 794: Oh! Mushrooms. Mushroom, yeah, mushroom. Interviewer: Can you eat those? 794: No. I never did I I- I've heard of people eating them now there's a certain kind of mushroom you can eat but not like the kind that grows here. Interviewer: Any other name for mushrooms? 794: I never did hear of it. Interviewer: What about um, fairy cap or frog stool or toad stool? 794: No I never did hear of that just mushroom's I ever heard of that kind. Interviewer: And something people smoke made out of tobacco 794: A ratted tobacco? Used to be a kind of ratted tobacco that grows here to smoke and uh I have knew of boys to smoke uh uh in cigarettes the silks, corn silks corn silks make cigarettes out of them I used to smoke them myself when I'd go to school a bunch of us boys we'd get some corn silks course the teachers wouldn't allow us to smoke they knew but we'd slip off out in the woods you see and smoke them at Interviewer: {NW} 794: Recess hour and noon hour. Interviewer: What's a big brown thing people smoke? Bigger than a cigarette. 794: uh cigars Interviewer: And if someone offered to do you a favor, you might say well I appreciate it but I don't want to feel, if you don't want to feel like you owe them something then, you'd say I don't want to feel like I'm 794: A cable or feel like that I don't care about smoking or Interviewer: No if someone offers to do you, to do a, to do you a favor 794: Oh Interviewer: You might say well thank you, but I don't want to feel, what? You'd say obligated or beholden or how would you say that? 794: Not obligated to to use that or Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: Not under obligations to use it. Interviewer: And, you'd say I'll dare, a child might say, I'll dare you to go through the graveyard at night but I bet you 794: Bet you wouldn't go or be afraid to go Interviewer: Do you ever say I bet you daren't go or dassn't go 794: Yeah I've heard of uh Well I dare you to go to a graveyard at night or something uh a ghost will get you they call them a ghost you see but that's just all talk Interviewer: {NW} Um, you'd tell a child you're not doing what you 794: Supposed to do. Interviewer: What's another way of saying that? 794: What you should do. Interviewer: Or what you 794: Should not do. Interviewer: Do you ever say what you 794: What you should do or what you're supposed to do or supposed not to do or sh-, or should not do #1 Or what you ou- # Interviewer: #2 or what you're going to do # 794: or have done Interviewer: What about using the word ought? You'd say you're not doing what you 794: Supposed to do Interviewer: Or using the word ought. 794: {X} I don't believe I Interviewer: Do you say what you ought to do 794: What you ought to do What you ought not to do Interviewer: Uh-huh. And if someone asked you to do something and you just refused to do it you'd say, they'd ask you will you do that and you'd say no I 794: No I will not. {X} Will not or don't care to. Interviewer: Or no I 794: No I {NS} I won't. Interviewer: Huh? 794: No I won't. Interviewer: And, if you had done something that was hard work, and all the time you were working a friend was just standing around watching you work, without offering to help, when you get through working you might tell him instead of just standing there, you know, you might 794: Help me. Interviewer: You'd already finished working you'd say you might 794: Might help me do this or should help me Interviewer: Mm-kay. And if I ask you if you'll be able to do some work next week you might say well I'm not sure but I 794: I'll try to. Interviewer: Do you ever say I might could? 794: I might might help you or I might not or or I try to. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And you'd say that would be hard mountain to 794: to do hard hard hard work to do or Interviewer: or 794: might be hard to do or too hard to do Interviewer: Uh-huh. And talking about a mountain, you'd say that would be a hard mountain to 794: To climb. Interviewer: But last year my neighbor 794: Clumb it. Interviewer: But I have never 794: Clumb it. Interviewer: And, say if, if you had a question, I might say well I don't know the answer to your question, you better go what someone else? 794: Go to someone else and find out or see Interviewer: Uh-huh 794: for sure. Interviewer: Go what them your question? 794: This which? Interviewer: You'd, you'd go over to them and 794: and and and and ask them about it Interviewer: And, you'd say so I went over there and I 794: asked him that question Interviewer: And he might say, you're the second person who has 794: Second person who has asked me about that. {NS} {C: phone ringing} Someone calling you. aux: {X} 794: That may be {D:Brenda} down here, that's the little girl down here that uh Interviewer: With the plumbing? 794: #1 No she calls my wife a lot of time she # aux: #2 {X} {C: talking on the telephone} # 794: #1 she goes to my wife she asks me # aux: #2 {X} {C: talking on the telephone} # 794: #1 treats my wife like she's her mother you know she wants to know anything she'll ask my wife about it # aux: #2 {X} {C: talking on the telephone} # 794: #1 And she's about, something about your size, # aux: #2 {X} {C: talking on the telephone} # 794: #1 she's um # aux: #2 {X} {C: talking on the telephone} # 794: She's only about uh aux: {X} {C: talking on the telephone} 794: fifteen now Interviewer: She's married? 794: Oh yeah she's got a baby she, she married when she was about fourteen. Interviewer: Gosh. 794: Thirt- thirteen, I believe. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: At thirteen she married. And her husband he was he wasn't quite sixteen when he married. aux: {X} {C: talking on the telephone} Interviewer: You'd say um, those boys got mad and, those boys would get mad and do what? aux: {X} {C: talking on the telephone} 794: Fight? Interviewer: Uh-huh. You'd say yesterday they got mad and 794: Got mad and fought. Interviewer: And ever since they were small have aux: {X} {C: talking on the telephone} 794: Troubled, or or Interviewer: They have what each other? 794: They had uh ill will toward each other and want to fight each other Interviewer: And you'd say um, ever since they were small they have 794: They had trouble. Interviewer: And they have what each other? 794: They'd fight with each other. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And you'd say um You'd say he, they have never what each other? 794: Never fought each other, never had no trouble with each other. Interviewer: And, you'd say I, I threw the ball and he 794: He caught it. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And you'd throw the ball and ask someone to 794: To catch. Interviewer: And I've been fishing but I haven't 794: This which? Interviewer: I've been fishing all day but I haven't 794: Caught anything. Interviewer: And talking about something you'd see in your sleep, this is what I 794: Dreamed of. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And often when I go to sleep I 794: I dream. Interviewer: But I can't always remember what I have 794: Oh what I dreamed. Interviewer: What I have 794: Wh- Wh- What I drum, or what I dreamed I believe. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: I can't always remember what I dream. Interviewer: And you say I dreamed I was falling but just when I was about to hit the ground I {NS} 794: Fell. Interviewer: Or I was dreaming and then I 794: I fell I woke up Interviewer: Uh-huh. And the kind of bird that can see in the dark 794: Is um a pigeon Interviewer: or that can see in the dark 794: can see in the what kind of bird I can see in the dark? Interviewer: What kind of bird sees in the dark? Makes a scary noise around a graveyard? 794: Whippoorwill Interviewer: What makes a scary noise though? 794: Well uh Sometimes a dove does and and {NS} and a but what makes a {X} is a owl Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: Some called them a scrunch owl and some called them a who owl Interviewer: Are they the same thing? 794: No, it's a different kind of owl a scrunch owl is a small owl and it had a kind of a small head a small face and a who owl he's a pretty good size owl and and he has uh a large head Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: Large face and all. And uh he said who who who who who who a whoo-ahhh {C: mimicking owl} thataway and and and a scrunch owl they they'll scream like Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: And uh sorta like uh a cat a wild cat or something like that say {X} {C: screaming sound} something thataway Interviewer: Do y'all have those around there still? 794: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What's a kind of black and white animal that's got a real strong smell? 794: Pole cat. Interviewer: Say some animals have been coming and killing your chickens, you didn't know just what kind they were. 794: It's a mink. Interviewer: What else could it be? 794: A possum. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: possum. They killed your chicken mink A possum will catch them and kill them they'll eat them Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: And a mink they'll catch them and they'll cut the throat and they'll suck the blood out of them they they won't eat the meat. They just suck the blood out of them. Interviewer: What general name would you have for those kind of animals that come and kill your chickens? You'd say I'm gonna get a gun and kill those 794: Wild animals or uh mink or coons or whatever kind it is Interviewer: Would you ever call them varmints? 794: Varmints yeah varmints that's right well uh that includes all of them together you see varmints that's the coon or a mink or or a or owl or anything like that that's certain kind of owls that kills your chickens too and catches them and a hawk Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: A hawk catches chickens course they go, they don't come to your chicken house at night they catch them in the daytime Interviewer: Would a rat be a varmint? 794: Well uh in a way no it it uh it's not say a varmint it's it's might say a pest Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: A rat'll eat your corn or if you have any kind of seed out grains it'll eat that or peanuts Interviewer: What's a bushy tailed animal that gets up in the trees? 794: A bushy? Interviewer: A bushy tailed animal? 794: Well uh That's a squirrel. Interviewer: What different kinds of squirrels are there? 794: Well there's a cat squirrel and there's a fox squirrel. There's uh there's uh a red fox squirrel and there's a black fox squirrel. Interviewer: Is the fox squirrel bigger than the 794: Bigger than a cat squirrel. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Is there something like a squirrel that's got little stripes down its back? 794: Well uh uh there's a pole cat that has stripes on its back Interviewer: Do you have something called a chipmunk or a ground squirrel? 794: Well yeah there's a ground squirrel Interviewer: What does that look like? 794: Well, it it's smaller than a a cat squirrel is or a fox squirrel and uh it's not fit to eat. Now a fox squirrel or a cat squirrel is good to eat and there's a flying squirrel it has wings. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: It's not fit to eat either. Interviewer: Does a ground squirrel have stripes on it? 794: Yes it has stripes on it. Interviewer: Can it climb trees? 794: Well I don't think they can. I think they just get generally on the ground like a rabbit you see a rabbit can't climb Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Trees. But a squirrel can. Interviewer: What different kinds of fish do you get around here? 794: Catfish. Perch fish. Uh goggle-eye fish. Brim. Interviewer: What about in the salt water? 794: Well uh there's some in salt water now this here water up here on the Cedar of this creek between here and Winnfield that's a kind of salt water and it runs into {D: Dugdemona} and that's a kind of a salt water too but um there's different kind of fish there's a trout in there and there's speckled perch there's a brim there's a white perch there's what they call a red bellied perch and there's catfish there's a jackfish and there's a Grendel and there's a garfish. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What's a Grendel look like? 794: Well it it's a kind of a long kind of a long fish uh sort of the shape of a jackfish some people eats them but I never did never did care about the flavor of them. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: Now catfish is good to eat and buffalo. now buffalo a lot of people eats them they they sell them here at the markets and trout every once in occasion but not so very often and uh they sell catfish and buffalo Interviewer: What do they sell that comes from south of here down at the Gulf? 794: Shrimp. Interviewer: If you wanted to buy some of those you'd ask for maybe three pounds of 794: of shrimp. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Yeah about three pounds of shrimp you see that they're small {D: stuff so like} Interviewer: What, what does uh pearls grow in? 794: Huh? Interviewer: What do pearls grow in? 794: I really don't know. Interviewer: Well what, what comes in a shell? {NS} That they 794: Oysters? Interviewer: Huh? 794: Oysters. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And something you hear making a noise around the lake at night 794: Well it's generally some kind of a varmint. Interviewer: Well something that hops around that makes a croaking noise? 794: Frogs. Interviewer: What different kinds of frogs? 794: Well uh there's a toad frog. There's a bullfrog. And there's a spring frog. Interviewer: How big is a spring frog? 794: Well uh he's something like uh something like a bullfrog what they call a bullfrog they're larger than the toad frog Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What do you call the ones that are real small? 794: In the frog line? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. The little green ones you might see it on a 794: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 tree or # on your, your screens 794: Tree frogs. That's what you call a tree frog. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: They go up on the trees. Interviewer: If you wanted to go fishing, what might you dig up to go fishing with? 794: Do which? Interviewer: If you wanted to go fishing, what could you dig up to go fishing 794: Earth worms. Earth worms. Interviewer: And a small fish you could use. 794: Well you'd use earth worms or small fish or you could take these little minnows catch these little minnows off and out of the water and use them for for um larger fish course some small fish'll bite them but uh small fish rather have these earthworms. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: And uh You can catch trout fish with these uh minnows Interviewer: mm-hmm. What's a hard shelled thing that can pull its neck and legs into its shell? 794: Or what? Interviewer: What's something that has a hard shell that can pull its neck and legs into its shell? 794: Oh that's a terrapin or a turtle Interviewer: What's the difference? 794: Well a terrapin uh they're just on a dry land and they're smaller that than a turtle is a turtle they wanna stay in the water and uh they're good to eat. But I never did hear of anybody eating terrapins. Interviewer: Do you ever hear of turtles called cooters? 794: No I don't believe I have. Interviewer: And you'd say um, say if a bee stung you, you'd say your hand did what? 794: Stung. By a bee. Interviewer: And that after you were stung, your hand 794: swollen up. Interviewer: And you'd say it's still pretty badly 794: Yeah pretty badly swollen. Interviewer: And if a bee stings you then you hand'll 794: Will swell up and it and it's see it's poison to it and and you have to uh {X} to put something on that some kind of liniment something or other to take that poison out of it and take the swelling out of it Interviewer: What can you put on it? 794: You can you can well it's several different kinds of liniments there's a {D: balsamic} liniment and there's uh oh I have them in there What's the name of that liniment you rub on them? aux: Absorbine junior. 794: -orbine junior. And then there's another kind I forget what it is now and and then uh {D: alky} rub is pretty good to put on a sting. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: Place thataway. Course it's not as good as this liniment is. {D: This balsamic} liniment it's good for rheumatism. or good for risings, where risings coming on any places it's fixing to head and it's throbbing you can put this balsamic liniment on bed it real good and uh it it it'll quit aching it'll it'll get easier and you bathe it again and you bathe often enough it'll finally come to head where you can have it lanced and it still won't hurt you when it's coming to a head. Interviewer: Is there another name for a rising? 794: Bunions. Well a bunion no that's not like a rising is it's kind of a a growth like kind of a growth like that grows on your your feet Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about a boil? 794: A what? Interviewer: A boil? 794: Boil well there's boils too or that's something like uh a rising except they don't come to a head just like a rising does {X} sore all together your see it's Interviewer: It doesn't have a head in it? 794: Well uh Not much of a head it it's more of a just continued bruised place like Interviewer: What, when a rising opens, the stuff that drains out is? 794: Oh well you call that the puss. But you only get the main part of it is the core the core of the rising, you get that core out and then you mash that puss out you see and you can get the puss out if you don't get this core out it it won't heal up Interviewer: What do you have in a blister? Well a blister that's where uh like your shoe rubs your foot Mm-hmm. 794: Or you're working chopping or sawing and it cause a blister to come in your hand thataway well you um you generally take a stick a needle some people sticks a pin in but a pin is poison you stick stick a needle in there and uh it it and drain it out mash it and get it out of there Interviewer: Get what out? 794: Or or the puss you got a puss a water like in it Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: And uh or you can take your point of a knife that's sharp point of knife and open it with it Interviewer: Mm--hmm. Oh. You'd say I'm glad I carried my umbrella cause we hadn't gone half a block when it what? 794: I didn't understand that. Interviewer: Say that it was bad weather, you'd say 794: Oh Interviewer: I'm glad I carried my umbrella cause we hadn't gone half a block when it 794: a raining. Interviewer: When it what to rain? When it 794: Raining or sprinkling. Sprinkling or raining. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And, you'd say he was feeling so good that instead of walking he what all the way home? 794: He uh Interviewer: Instead of walking, he 794: He crawled or he uh staggered or Interviewer: No, he's feeling good. 794: Oh feel good oh he run Interviewer: Mm-kay. 794: He run yeah. Interviewer: You'd say he has what a mile? 794: Quite a mile. Interviewer: He has already 794: Went a went a mile. He he's already went a mile already gone a mile or already went a mile Interviewer: We're talking about him running, he's already 794: Already run ran a mile Run a mile or some called it run some called it ran Interviewer: Which would you say? 794: Well I believe I'd call it it if he's already done it he's all, he's already ran a mile and if he hadn't done it and he'd going to he's a go- going to run a mile Interviewer: Uh-huh. And you'd say that's the book that you what me for Christmas? 794: Say what is that? Interviewer: That's the book that you what me for Christmas? 794: #1 I don't believe I understand that. # Interviewer: #2 Well # If it's Christmas I would I'd buy you a present 794: #1 Oh a present # Interviewer: #2 and then # 794: Present for Christmas #1 A Christmas present. # Interviewer: #2 And I'd, I'd what it to you? # I'd 794: I sent it to you or mail it to you or bring it to you {C: loud background noise} Interviewer: You'd say I, I brought it to you {C: loud background noise} 794: Brought it, brought it to me. {C: loud background noise} Interviewer: And I what it to you? {C: loud background noise} {NS} 794: Do what? {C: loud background noise} {X} {C:plane flying overhead} Interviewer: If I, if I brought it you, you'd say I, I {C: loud background noise} 794: I brought it to you. {C: loud background noise} Interviewer: And then I what it to you? When I handed it over to you 794: Hand it to you. #1 Hand it to you. # Interviewer: #2 Talking about giving it # #1 You'd say I # 794: #2 I gave it to you. # Interviewer: And you'd say um, you have what me many presents before. You have 794: Given gaven me Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: {X} {C: Stuttering} Present before. Interviewer: And you'd say um if I'd borrowed something from you I'd say when I'm finished with it I'll 794: Bring it to you. Interviewer: And er what it back to you? 794: Bring it bring it back to yous. Exchange it back to you or swap it to you. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And the kind of, an insect that flies around a light. 794: Uh gnats and mosquitoes Interviewer: What's something that if you grab it powder comes off in your hand? #1 Looks kinda like # 794: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Huh? 794: {X} Interviewer: Mm-kay. And what eats holes in your wool clothes? 794: What does? Interviewer: What kinds of bugs eat clothes in your wool 794: Oh Oh um Interviewer: You call them 794: I'll think of it I know what it is Moths Interviewer: Uh-huh. You'd call that, talking about just one 794: Well you'd call it a moth or or um just I believe that's all Interviewer: Uh-huh. What's an insect that has a little light in its tail? 794: Lightning bug. Interviewer: And a little insect that gets on your skin, a real small one, if you go through the woods 794: Fleas. Interviewer: Or smaller than that, it's red. 794: Oh a red bug. Interviewer: And, what kinds of it's, this is a kind of insect that's got a long thin body, got two pairs of real shiny wings, and it's supposed to, um, eat mosquitoes? 794: Oh that's a mosquito mosquito fly. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Yeah a mosquito fly. Interviewer: Have you ever heard that called a snake doctor? 794: No. Don't believe it. Interviewer: What kinds of insects will sting you? 794: A wasp yellow jacket or a hornet and a bee a honey bee will sting you Interviewer: Talking about the wasp, talking about several of those, you'd talk about several 794: Well there there's a red wasp and there's uh there's a striped wasp and there's another kind let me see uh Interviewer: so there's several different kinds of 794: several different kinds of wasps and then there's a bumble bee and there's a hornet they'll sting you. Interviewer: What does, where does a yellow jacket build a nest? 794: In the ground. Interviewer: What's something that builds a nest out of dirt or mud? 794: Oh um craw fish. Interviewer: Or a kind of a, it flies, builds it up on the side of the 794: Wall like. Oh that's it a a dirt dauber. Interviewer: Do they sting? 794: No I don't think they do I never did hear of dirt daubers sting you Interviewer: And a kind of insect that hops around in the grass 794: Grasshopper. Interviewer: Have you ever heard them called a hopper grass? 794: Well I've heard them called hopper grass but I've always called them the grasshopper Interviewer: Who would call them a hopper grass? 794: Well uh several different people just called them that just uh it's uh grasshopper hopper grass or and is another kind of a uh bug that gets on you eats your flowers up that they catch fish with uh you remember this what kind it was you and me used to come over here to get? aux: it's uh {X} grass hoppers out there crickets 794: Crickets yeah crickets yeah crickets they're good to fish with too. And and they'll eat your flowers up we had uh day lilies like them out there and they get on them and uh we picked them off and we sprayed it course you can't spray that kind of flower too much it it kills it you see but we sprayed them a little and and we picked them off and burned them and it picked them off we'd kill them and uh one of my brothers he was over here one day him and his wife he says you get any more just put them in a in a little can or jar of some kind and save them for him so he's {X} good ya to catch fish with Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: And he came down here several times and there's uh {NW} there's a worm that gets on the Catawba trees here it uh Interviewer: And that's good to fish with? 794: Yeah it uh is good to fish too Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: Some calls them caterpillars and and some calls them catawba worms Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Just a second. If you hadn't cleaned a room in a while up in the ceiling across the corner you might find a 794: A rat. Interviewer: Or up high draped across the corner you'd find a 794: Some kind of a insect or something or Interviewer: #1 What would a spider build outside # 794: #2 Oh a # Spider oh a he he'd build his nest a web Interviewer: Uh-huh. 794: Spider web. Interviewer: Would you call it that whether it's outside or inside? 794: Yeah. A web just the same a spider web. Interviewer: The parts of the tree that grow under the ground are called the 794: The roots. Interviewer: Do you ever hear of using certain kinds of roots or vines for medicine? 794: Yes. There's um there's a sassafras root it's good to make tea out of that's good for you to drink it's good for your system for your blood your health and all and uh {NS} I believe that's the only kind of tree I believe is for to make a liquid to drink Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What kind of tree do you tap for syrup? 794: Do what? Interviewer: What kind of tree can you tap for syrup? 794: You mean dig it up? Interviewer: No, there's a kind of a tree that you can get syrup from 794: Syrup from? Well that's a maple you can you can take maple timber and make syrup out of it make maple syrup Interviewer: What would you call a big group of those growing together? 794: I don't believe I know. It's uh just a maple crop of trees there's uh Interviewer: What 794: That they make sugar out of sugar maple it's sugar maple that's what it is Interviewer: What would you call a tree it's got broad leaves on it, white scaly bark you can peel off? 794: Scaled off for used for something? Interviewer: I think it it's a hardwood I think it's got little knobs or balls on it. 794: Is it a sycamore? Interviewer: Mm-kay. Do they have those around here? 794: Yeah. Interviewer: #1 What # 794: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: What other kinds of trees do you have around here? 794: Well we have sycamore we have a {D:mosser} and we have a crepe myrtle that's a flower tree and we have uh different trees in the woods we have the oak several different kind of oak water oak tin oak red oak post oak and we have pine we have a maple we have a elm and we have a ironwood we have a hickory Interviewer: An ironwood? 794: Ironwood tree. Interviewer: What's that? 794: Well it it's a hard kind of wood awful hard with a kind of a rough uh scaly looking bark on it Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 794: And uh we have persimmons. Hickory nut.