Interviewer: {X} What color them? 811: Uh Some of 'em most everybody applied the big ones Uh Interviewer: big 811: uh canned tomatoes Uh I mean uh Interviewer: You ever see the little ones what do they call them? 811: That's the little canned tomatoes the small ones That's uh Interviewer: #1 {X} # 811: #2 Uh. # Interviewer: #1 You ever call 'em tommy toes? # 811: #2 {X} # Yeah. Interviewer: #1 What's that? # 811: #2 And that # uh uh tommy toes you got the big ones out Interviewer: Yeah {NW} Now what kind of potatoes you raise? 811: Uh Irish potatoes Interviewer: Mm-kay. 811: Sweet potatoes You got two three varieties of sweet potatoes. You got the white the {X} Interviewer: You got any yams? 811: Uh yeah. the yam There's a very rare few people that plant the yams because they rare but I won't plant 'em it makes quite a bit of money on uh Interviewer: Mm-kay. Puerto #1 Any other # 811: #2 Uh Puerto Rico's # Interviewer: Uh now you mentioned onions the little yellow trash ones that you would eat 811: #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 What do you call them? # 811: Well the onion tops and uh afterwards you uh and after they seed you can put 'em and let 'em dry and you can use the bulbs Interviewer: What about the little little fresh ones that you would eat? They're called? 811: Uh that would be uh the onion Interviewer: #1 You'd shout # 811: #2 uh # Interviewer: #1 shout # 811: #2 well uh # shallots Interviewer: Mm-kay when you uh what kind of vegetables would you put in a good soup? when you making a good soup? 811: Uh you'd put carrots and Interviewer: What do you like in a good soup? 811: I don't eat soup #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 You don't? # 811: No. {NW} Interviewer: Uh about uh Joe what about uh gumbo? 811: Well I like to put a whole lot of stuff in the gumbo Interviewer: Okay 811: I put chicken sausage I like to put uh oysters Now my wife don't care for when I make this stuff put too much stuff in it sometimes I make it #1 too # Interviewer: #2 What does it make # it sticky. What does it what is it that makes the gumbo sticky? What vegetable? 811: Oh uh okra gumbo Interviewer: Yeah 811: You uh {NW} Interviewer: Okay 811: But I didn't {NW} Interviewer: What kind of vegetables that come in big leafy heads? 811: Um you got the lettuce and cabbage Interviewer: Okay. You raise how many you raise about If you had two of these you'd say I like these 811: Uh like these lettuce uh and cabbage Interviewer: Okay. Uh lettuce comes in? You might buy go to the store and buy two 811: Two heads of lettuce Interviewer: Two heads of lettuce? Okay. Um when you gotta get the beans outta the now butter beans you have to what? You've got to? 811: You gotta pick 'em #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 You have to # 811: #1 hull 'em # Interviewer: #2 do what? # Hull? uh when when you take the tops of turnips and cook 'em you make up a mess of 811: Turnip tops. Interviewer: Okay you call it a mess of what 811: UH Interviewer: Any other kind of greens you 811: Uh you have mustard greens and uh you have spinach Interviewer: Yeah. You just got a what of greens here you say you got a? 811: {NW} Interviewer: Did 811: {NW} Interviewer: say you gotta 811: {NW} Interviewer: full of greens 811: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 would you say that? # 811: A parcel of green. Interviewer: What does that mean? 811: That means you gotta a whole mess Interviewer: Okay. 811: of different greens Interviewer: Okay. What do they say that any other way? Use that or how do you use that word? 811: Uh a parcel Interviewer: Okay that means uh 811: Uh well like a group or a parlor Interviewer: {NW} Um Do can you give me a few examples of how you use it? 811: Oh I I was ju- Interviewer: Yeah like if you said you had a 811: A parcel of 'em Interviewer: Uh huh like what would you say you had a parcel of 811: Uh mustard green uh Interviewer: Okay 811: Turnip tops uh Interviewer: And that means a lot? 811: Yeah {NS} Interviewer: Talking about somebody's cattle you'd say you had a what? 811: A herd A herd of cattle Interviewer: About how many About a hundred? 811: Uh a hundred head um Interviewer: Mm-kay. Um Now if you and two boys and three girls you'd say got five? 811: Five kids Interviewer: Okay. You ever speak of them in so many heads 811: {NW} {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # Uh well what about a man a man who had say a thousand acres of land would would have a they'd say he'd have a 811: A big farm Interviewer: A big farm thats a right How much money you'd say that's a right 811: Uh uh Interviewer: You ever hear any people say that's a right smart? 811: Yeah Interviewer: Okay what does that mean? You know #1 Okay. # 811: #2 Uh # It's it's just a wood far as I know it's Interviewer: #1 You'd say he had a {X} # 811: #2 {X} # A right smart Interviewer: #1 Right smart # 811: #2 Mm-hmm # Uh acres of land Interviewer: Okay Um now you raise corn here? 811: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. You the kind that you tender enough to eat off the cob all that 811: Uh you call it a mock shoe. Interviewer: Mock shoe? 811: Yeah. {X} Interviewer: Alright. And you you pull off the what? 811: The shoe. Interviewer: Okay and then you got the what? You gotta get the? 811: {NW} You pull off the shelf you got the shoe on you gotta Interviewer: #1 {X} # 811: #2 take a brush and brush it. # Brush all that off. And then you can take a knife and and carve it off the cob. Interviewer: Yeah. At the top of the corn is the 811: The tassel. Interviewer: The tassel? Okay. Now what kinda melons you raise? You raise mush melons you said? 811: Yeah Interviewer: Any other kinds? 811: Watermelon. Interviewer: Alright the little yellow meat was called 811: Uh yellow meat melon Interviewer: Yeah. Mush melon you said? 811: Yeah. Interviewer: Alright. Now the sort of things that come up in a field after rain you ever seen them anywhere? In French they call 'em champion. 811: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Some people eat 'em. Uh they come up in a in a field when it's damp or on a log a rotten log. 811: I might've seen them and didn't know what they was. Interviewer: Okay what do you hold over you when it rains? 811: A umbrella. Interviewer: Okay they look like little umbrellas. 811: I I see them but I never knew what it is. Interviewer: What you know what they call 'em? 811: Uh uh. Interviewer: You ever heard of a mush? 811: Mushroom? Interviewer: Yeah. 811: Oh that's what that {NW} Interviewer: Okay. What the ones you can eat they call 'em? 811: Uh. Interviewer: Name for 'em? 811: Uh we used to call 'em devil's bread. {NW} Interviewer: Devil? 811: Devil's bread. Interviewer: Okay. 811: Uh we would {X} look at devil's bread {NW} Interviewer: Uh big ol' thing? 811: Yeah. {X} Beat up on it. {X} Interviewer: No uh {NS} uh Joe and Mike call 'em uh You ever call 'em bay chickens? You know and they grow on a bay tree. Never heard of that? 811: Uh uh. Interviewer: When you hunted uh I wanna ask you about some of the birds you ran into around here. 811: Uh you have doves and quails and Interviewer: Okay at night when you go out what kinds of birds you've seen in the woods? 811: Uh nights you see well around here wild years ago you had a bunch a you call a grosbeak and they had quite a few of them {NW} at night you bunch of chicken hawks Interviewer: Yeah. You know that bird they call a {D: shwet?} 811: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. What about the ones with big eyes you know 811: Oh that thats a owl? Interviewer: What kind you got? 811: Uh you got the chicken hawk and owl We don't have too many owls round here anymore. Interviewer: Yeah. You have any different types of them? You you have the big one? 811: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: The big kind that 811: The ones we had is bout the same as Interviewer: Got a deep voice. {NW} 811: Bout the same size as a chicken hawk. Interviewer: You ever see the little ones? 811: Mm no. Interviewer: That make a shrill noise? {X} {X} Like that they sound 811: We used to have uh quite a few of them them letter wing bats Interviewer: Uh uh. Or screech owl? 811: Yeah. In the woods. They was bad at night {NW}. Interviewer: Mm. Uh okay. The kind of bird that drills holes in trees? 811: Uh woodpecker. Interviewer: Okay. 811: We got still there quite a few of them. Interviewer: What do you call that big one? That gets bout the size of a half grown chicken? Um you ever hear of a Lord God? 811: Uh huh. Interviewer: A ripped shirt tail or something like that. Um. Like you ever hear people call them any other names? 811: Mm mm Interviewer: You ever hear 'em call 'em a pecker wood? 811: Mm um the only thing I know is a wood pecker. Interviewer: Okay. Is Is anybody ever been compared to a to a woodpecker? Any any people that you do know of? Class of people of a type of pe- 811: Nah you get people that {NW} {X} nobody pay them no mind yeah {X} pecker wood either woodpecker over there Interviewer: Okay. 811: Anybody pay them no mind you just go ahead and {NW} {NW} probably just making conversation Interviewer: Yeah. Uh. The kinda black and white animal with a powerful smell 811: {NW} Interviewer: You just wanna get 811: Away from it that's a skunk. Either a bed pee on whatever you wanna call it. A pole cat. Interviewer: {NW} You ever had one come around your yard? 811: Yeah. Quite a few. Interviewer: You just wanna get 811: Get away from him. Either let him have his way and let him go his way. Interviewer: {NW} Yeah. Uh. The kind of things that would come and raid your hen roosts 811: Uh you have a possum foxes uh you have pole cats too that {NW} coons Interviewer: Any names that takes care of them all? 811: Uh that fox he he's about the sneaky one of the bunch Interviewer: {NW} Yeah. 811: Clean your chicken house up in a hurry. Interviewer: You say I'm gonna get me a gun and 811: And go out there and try to get that rascal. Interviewer: Some traps and stop them Okay. You ever you ever had anybody You know what a varm was? People talking about varms? Varmints? 811: I heard talk of varmints? Interviewer: That's just anything big size little size 811: {NW} That could be a any kind of animal that destroy uh the property. Uh they would give 'em a name of a vermin. Interviewer: When you hunt Joe uh what about those animals that that like to go up trees? 811: Uh squirrels. Interviewer: Squirrels you always find them? 811: Uh uh better if you hunting with dogs. It's very seldom you gon' find them. You ask the uh the hunt squirrels you gotta be awful quiet. And then you shouldn't have no wind. And you gotta hunt 'em early in the morning but quicker if you got dogs. You ain't gone find 'em when they go hide up in a mulch tree hide behind a branch. And if you find 'em you just lucky. Interviewer: What kind you got here? 811: Uh the uh Interviewer: The big one? 811: Yeah you got the big one and the little small squirrels. Interviewer: {NW} the big one is a? 811: I don't know the name of 'em but I know he's got a both kind of uh I never did hunt 'em. Um I killed a couple of 'em by accident uh might've been a walking in the woods and had our guns up there right across one or two. That's about the most I killed is about two. In my whole lifetime and I I wasn't looking for 'em. Interviewer: You just kinda run 811: {NW} runned up on 'em and and shot 'em Interviewer: Oh. You you see the little one that maybe can't climb trees? You got him around here? 811: No. Um All the ones we got they not baby they Interviewer: #1 {X} # 811: #2 {X} # Interviewer: They can what? They can? 811: They can climb a tree and climb in a hurry too. Interviewer: Yeah. You see 'em they run over through the tree and? 811: Oh yeah they'll leap from one tree to the other and everything {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 811: He go up in that one tree and he look from there we he probably be a mile away Interviewer: Uh okay. Now what kind of fish do you get around here? 811: Uh you get catfish goldfish and uh bass uh you got you got different places where you can fish and uh different seasons. Interviewer: Mm-kay. 811: Where you might catch catfish or mudfish. Interviewer: Around a pond? 811: Yeah. Some people stop their ponds but the ones that don't you get mostly buffalos and if you don't get no uh Interviewer: Yeah. 811: What you call a a classic fish. Interviewer: A gou? 811: Yeah yeah. Interviewer: What's a gou? 811: Uh a ga- a Gaspergou? Interviewer: I don't know one thing or the other I just heard of 'em. 811: Um a Gaspergou is something like a goldfish. All the bones it got in it is big bones. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 811: Then you got uh about in the gulf you go out there you got them {D: fladdles.} and red fish and red fish is a good fish. Interviewer: Out in the gulf? 811: Uh huh. Interviewer: Uh okay. Now what other things do you get around a pond around here? Tell me all the animals you like to find out 811: All the you get ducks uh snipes Interviewer: Other little things you now small things you might kill? 811: Uh you get a whole lot of snakes I can tell you that Interviewer: Yeah. 811: {NW} and Interviewer: You ever gotten a snake 811: No I never did get snake bit. Uh Interviewer: Okay what about uh the little things that crawl around in those ponds you know? 811: Uh crawfish you get uh quite a few of them in some ponds that's uh Interviewer: Yeah they even raise 'em here. 811: Yeah. Interviewer: #1 Alright what do you # 811: #2 and then # uh good it used to be cause what was happening uh we had a pond over here where they had crawfish and that was sad and they had a oil well and some salt water got neath it uh and it destroyed 'em and then they start using some chemical in the rice and it killed the fish off everything if it get to the pond. It'll kill all your fish Interviewer: Yeah. Uh now the things that you got from the sea other seafood you would get 811: Uh Interviewer: What do you get from down around the gulf? 811: Uh you'd get shrimp uh Interviewer: How much of them would you buy? Go out and buy a couple pounds 811: Of shrimp? Uh But a bunch of these people just go out there and troll theirselves uh Interviewer: Are there any different kinds? 811: Uh yeah you got the big shrimp and uh the little shrimp. And then you got uh fish and baits. Too you can uh you get about three different sizes. Interviewer: Large jumbo extra jumbo and unbelievable #1 huh # 811: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Yeah. Um. Those things you hear around the noise making making a noise around the pond at night 811: {NW} Uh yeah you got bull frogs. Interviewer: Yeah. 811: And something else you got a whole lot of it's nutria rats. Interviewer: Nutria you got them here? 811: Oh Lord. Interviewer: Man. #1 They are big aren't they too? # 811: #2 Uh huh. # You got nutria mush rats and talk about hard on the rice field. They cut your lettuce drain your water out your pond Interviewer: And I hear those those things'll kill a dog too 811: In the water A dog can't beat 'em in the water. Interviewer: They will slice 'em up. 811: And uh he drown the dog uh they trap 'em all in the winter now but I don't know if it I I'm sure it's helping some uh I talked to a trapper told me he had trapped uh over six thousand dollars worth uh in one season. Interviewer: And used 'em for what? 811: Well they used the heart uh Interviewer: Neutrals? 811: Yeah. Neutrals mush rats that I'd sell them for three four dollars a heart Interviewer: Musk rats 811: Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. 811: And the neutral rats uh I think a fox heart sell for bout twenty-two twenty-three dollars. Interviewer: Uh okay are there any types of frogs around here? What about the ones you find in your garden? 811: Uh you got spring frogs uh tut frogs. Interviewer: You ever do you ever roll one bout okay any other kind the kind that hop real high? 811: Uh ya spring frogs and you gotcha whatcha call a rain frog. Interviewer: Alright. Uh the kind that that uh come out after a storm that's a rain frog? 811: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And uh what about the ones that are supposed to a sign that winter's over? You ever see them come out? 811: Mm no. Interviewer: That just the little tiny ones there. 811: Uh the baby tut frogs? Interviewer: Yeah alright. Um 811: {NW} Interviewer: You ever you ever done anything with toad frogs you know you can roll uh a piece of shot by a toad frog and he'll eat it? 811: Uh I know if you take a good frog and put salt on it {X} Interviewer: Really? 811: Almost any kind of frog you put salt on it Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 811: #2 Oh. # Interviewer: But you can what is it he'll take a fly and 811: Uh yeah they'll uh Interviewer: Swat and 811: And swallow. Interviewer: Okay. Or you roll you ever seen they'd roll a piece of shot by him and they would 811: No I never Interviewer: Well try putting a rock there and he'll 811: Imma have to try that Interviewer: he'll 811: He'll swallow it? Interviewer: Yeah. 811: I sure wanna try it. Interviewer: Uh when you uh when you go fishing what might you use to go fishing with 811: Uh you'd use bait uh some people like to use uh Catawba worms or um maybe the little frogs. Interviewer: What do you dig? #1 You might dig? # 811: #2 Uh bait # Yea you go out and dig uh uh what's I forget the name of the one but it's a bait. Interviewer: You know what a leash letch was? 811: Uh. Interviewer: Okay What about the big talking about worms? What kind of them you got? 811: Uh Interviewer: There's a There's a kind that you might find in a rotten tree That's a 811: Uh I forget the name of it Interviewer: Oh well The kind that you find at night comes out at night real big wiggly kind That's a 811: Hmm Interviewer: Is there any kind that comes up after rain? 811: Uh Interviewer: They all come up after rain 811: Um Interviewer: What color are they or what do they call 'em? 811: Uh I A one gully worm we'd get quite a bit over here. Uh what they call a caterpillar only one Interviewer: Uh huh 811: And talk about type of crops for you They uh last year they ate some rice for us Uh Interviewer: You think they'll do it again? 811: Is uh {X} is a certain time of the year and they'd get in a pasture where the grass is is tender. They'll clean a forty acre pasture up about in two days. The same thing with rice field. If you gotta water it that too bad. But if you ain't got no water they'll eat it up. Interviewer: What time is that? What time of year? 811: Uh they usually start about May uh around May and June. Or sometime before There's a Interviewer: And they last 'til? 811: Well they might just you might check your field and you ain't got nothing in it as you come back the next day they done ate half of it. They might be you're the only field there in about twenty miles. They just drop in there and clean you up and another fellow next door he ain't got nothing. {NW} then you gotta get a poison for 'em. And Interviewer: You gotta nearby nearly cram it down their throats to kill 'em too. 811: Aw no uh that stuff uh it make contact with them about in a hour. It'll kill 'em. And uh something like two dollars a acre I believe. Uh two or five dollars a acre Interviewer: Is that pretty #1 high # 811: #2 well # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 811: #2 {X} # It ain't no it's a it's a chemical. They kill 'em which you figure uh on your rice land uh a year like we had like say for instance last year uh you seed rice we sell them bout for twenty twenty-two dollars and fifty cent Interviewer: Of what? 811: Uh a {X} a barrel {NS} Uh {NS} dollar that's about twenty-two fifty for a hundred pound and you put a hundred fifty pounds a acre And ya foot log is about a hundred and thirty dollars a ton and you's putting four hundred and fifty pounds an acre Interviewer: Yeah 811: And then you got your fuel costs uh it's costing you about oh bout a hundred and seventy-five dollars a acre the planting rice and then if you any kind of chemical you come with acid is extra cost and if it cost you five dollars a acre or more uh and you add up and you didn't get uh will cost you let's say about a hundred and ninety-five dollars a acre to to produce your rice. And when you sow you ain't getting but two hundred dollars a acre You in their property but five dollar a acre and some people didn't do that didn't profit five dollars a acre and if they didn't have beans to get 'em out of trouble they were really in trouble the little ones that Interviewer: Uh now around the lake you'd also see these things that they'd get in it they got hard shells you know 811: Uh turtle Interviewer: Yeah What types of them 811: Uh you got what what what we call here is a snake turtle the striped ones. We call it a snake turtle and uh and then the black turtles we call that a snapping turtle loggerhead that's the grip well most everybody around here eat them but they don't eat them uh {NS} Interviewer: Something like a turtle only it lives on dry land is a? a what? A tear you gotta tarp in here 811: Um Interviewer: You know what a cooter is? 811: Uh uh Interviewer: Uh now the insect that flies around a light and you try and catch it and it powder comes off in your hand you know it when you try and grab it them things you know what they are big ol' wings 811: Oh a butterfly Interviewer: Okay or a uh them come around a light at night 811: Yeah we got uh quite a few of those that butterflies and hoppergrasses Interviewer: Yeah 811: and mosquitoes Interviewer: Now a hoppergrass that just what that does that come around the 811: It uh uh you got a bunch of bugs small bugs and stuff around he come around and try to get some to eat Interviewer: Does he eat bugs? 811: Yeah Interviewer: Thought he ate just outta the garden 811: A hoppergrass Interviewer: Yeah 811: A hoppergrass will eat if he has access to it he can get it Interviewer: Uh eat what ants 811: Uh huh Interviewer: Okay what other kind of bugs you got around here 811: #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 Any other kinda # insects you know of? 811: You got flies wasps uh Interviewer: What what kinda them you got? 811: You got uh almost all kind of {X} but quite a few bees too you got them yellows jackets and uh Interviewer: Where do they live? 811: They usually be in the ground uh if you be digging or cutting down in a ditch or something that's where you usually find 'em they'd get on ya you better go straight to the hospital {X} Interviewer: Stung in your hand is what? 811: Uh what happens they'll sting you in your face your head we're assuming they gon' sting you on the hand They get in your face your head your ears uh Interviewer: You ever have 'em come after you 811: I had quite a few sting me Interviewer: #1 what happened # 811: #2 after you can get the stinger out it's half bad # Uh what they do is leave a little ol' long and that's what the poison is in usually if you can get it up get that stinger out right away and take some {D: bika} either alcohol or uh baking soda and vinegar and put on it it won't swell at all But if you leave that stinger in there you can keep the headache for a week Interviewer: Where'd you get stung 811: I got stung bout here the head Interviewer: Which ear though 811: Huh uh this ear right here. But uh we used to have some uh that use the bees to breed clover. And we had a bunch of 'em out there and during the summer it was hot they would come out the bee hives and we had a rice field right along there we had the the flood and they'll uh be around that water where that fresh water was running and we'd get them rascals we'd get behind us if you had a field to close it when its time to close it you'd have to close it and you have to close it during the heat of the day one or two gon' always sting ya But the funny thing if you didn't fight 'em they didn't bother ya. If you can stand 'em lightning in your face and stuff and they wouldn't they wouldn't sting but I couldn't stand that I slap 'em {X} Interviewer: Okay Then the things that eat your clothes you what do you put 811: Uh the moths #1 you know that moth # Interviewer: #2 yes # #1 You put what in 'em # 811: #2 {NW} # Camphor ball Interviewer: Call 'em what a moth 811: Uh well we call 'em camphor ball Interviewer: Okay um and one of 'em would be a you you just a you know you ever had you ever catch a catch one of 'em 811: Uh one of these moths Interviewer: Yeah just one 811: Uh no I never did Interviewer: It's called a what it's a 811: Uh it's a insect that that they call it a a moth Interviewer: I see. Uh now the kinda things that you used to catch in a jar. They would fly around at night you know? 811: Uh they call it a lightning bug. Interviewer: Yeah. Uh when you were fishing now you'd you'd fish with a cane pole you know and this thing would come and land on your pole it was had long thing body and uh long wings 811: Uh Interviewer: #1 big eyes # 811: #2 uh # call that uh a jubilee either uh a horse a horse fly Interviewer: Horse fly? 811: That's it no #1 what about # Interviewer: #2 Uh # 811: um Interviewer: Did you have a thing thing would eat mosquitoes or sometimes when they when it would come around they said that uh that there'd be snake nearby. You know they'd land on the end of your cane pole and it had big long wings thin shiny wings 811: That that was a jubilee that's what we call it Interviewer: Jubilee? 811: Uh huh Interviewer: Okay And they would they would #1 fly around like this you know? # 811: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: You ever hear people call 'em a snake doctor or 811: Mm-mm. Interviewer: mosquito hawk? 811: Yeah uh mosquito hawk or either a jubilee. Interviewer: Okay. Um now you're you mentioned uh what about the other things that would sting ya out in the woods you you see the ones that uh built big paper nests 811: Uh yeah the wasps Interviewer: Yes Okay a wasp and what about the kind of wasp that would build a 811: #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 a nest outta # 811: {X} Interviewer: Okay. 811: {X} Uh I never did know one of those that sting me Interviewer: No they won't do it but them the ones that build a big ol' nest bout the size of a football. And uh they're big ol' things I mean they really raise a welt on ya. Hornets hornets? {C: pronunciation} 811: Uh yeah yeah that's um that's bees uh. Interviewer: And what do they call 'em uh? 811: Oh shoot I for uh. You got bumble bees. Uh the them black jacks Interviewer: Black jack? 811: Yeah thats the kind that stay in the ground. Um the blackjack is them big ol' ones. Interviewer: Oh 811: {X} pass by you and they'd just like somebody cut you with a knife Interviewer: Kay you know what a hornet is? 811: Uh Interviewer: Hornet 811: That's some that's stays in the ground too. Interviewer: A yellow jacket? 811: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Uh now when you're out walking in the woods these kinda things might burrow into your skin and raise? 811: That's uh a tick? Interviewer: Ticks. 811: Mm. Interviewer: Other things? 811: Uh and red bugs Interviewer: When when you're fishing what do you use for bait you ever use a small fish? 811: Mm no we always did the uh use a piece of chicken gizzard or frogs. Interviewer: {NW} okay. 811: Or either some of them other kinda worms. Interviewer: Okay. Uh now when you hadn't say when you hadn't cleaned in a room for a while they'd be a #1 a what up in the corner of the room # 811: #2 A um # Interviewer: in a barn? 811: Spiderweb. Interviewer: Okay. 811: You know we would use that quite a bit uh for a mule or a horse some to cut itself or or one of the kids would cut they self. Interviewer: Why? 811: Spider web that would stop the bleed. Interviewer: It would? 811: Yeah. Go grab a handful of that and put on there. Interviewer: Handful of what? 811: Uh spiderweb. Interviewer: I had heard that that's 811: #1 we'd us it # Interviewer: #2 funny you told me that. # 811: quite a few times Interviewer: You ever use it for anything else? Just to stop the bleeding? 811: Yeah Interviewer: I'll be danged Yeah I bet you had to look out when you were grabbing 'em tho. 811: {X} If you had a emergency you didn't look you just if you knew they had some you just go get it Interviewer: #1 Could've gotten bit. # 811: #2 {NW} # Cause you know that they'd be pile up in the corner {X} It was some old ones Interviewer: Yeah 811: Then you'd have no spiders around Interviewer: Uh okay. Any other kinds of things that you would make uh things like that you would you ever use a part of a tree that was underground 811: We used that uh uh it wasn't uh some trees we used to make tea or hooping cough and croup uh what they call {D: marmouth} tea some little ol' trees. And uh corn shucks we used that for uh chicken pox. Take it and uh boil the shucks off the corn. If you had chicken pox and uh they would stay inside and you would eat {X} you'd drink that they'd get to popping outta ya like a bad disease {NW} Interviewer: Okay. Uh what about the parts of the trees that were underground that was what the 811: Uh the tree root Interviewer: They'd dig out the what dig out the 811: The the root of the tree Interviewer: You ever use that for anything? 811: Uh well I uh some people use it for tea but uh like uh what you call a {D: marmouth tree} They would dig it out and cut the root. And uh boil it for tea. Interviewer: Did you ever remember making anything for the blood? Like give you for your blood in the spring? 811: Mm Interviewer: Did it do much good? 811: Naw but after I grew up for high blood uh but once grandma had high blood and she got and she told me she said when you go back home get you a a quarter water two ta- tablespoons of absinthe soda now and a lemon and squeeze it and when you come in if you thirsty just take a drink of that. And uh I couldn't sleep on one pillow after all I did that bout for a week. And she sleep had to sleep on one pillow and I went to doctor and my blood was normal. Uh before he was telling me I had high blood. I'm mad I shoulda kept going it but I just neglected it but my blood got up again Interviewer: Yeah. You got any of those kinda trees you tap for syrup around here? 811: Uh I remember when Sparling used to do it but I I don't know what kinda tree it is. Interviewer: Uh what sorta trees you got around here common trees around here? 811: Uh you got what you call a a chicken tree that's just a tree that that rolled land uh it'll grow and seed and anywhere a seed a fall a tree come up there. If you leave a piece of land bout five years it's gon' take it get quite a few of them. #1 Uh. # Interviewer: #2 Are they big trees? # 811: Uh they start off small but they end up they don't ever ever get more than bout that big. But they take over your uh a piece of land they'll just ruin it. {NW} Interviewer: now I seen these things out in the field and they come up they et this kind of white white and fluffy things that go out and over the land 811: uh no they get Interviewer: just little weeds really 811: yeah but that's uh Interviewer: they prickly they look prickly 811: thats what you call a chicken tree that's when you gotta Interviewer: what you got a chicken tree you see it's a tree like that one right out there. 811: yeah well that's what you call a chicken tree Interviewer: okay {NW} 811: I know it was really like a {NS} take over the place in about five years and if you just keep um away yeah then you got oaks quite a few china ball trees Interviewer: any good shade trees Jeff? 811: uh you find some of them live oaks like in these old places when they plant 'em for years ago some of them bout two hundred years old a real shady tree darkness it's where you gonna find a whole a ol' home ya know like a gen like a two or three generations that been living there and keeping the place up Interviewer: what about those kind of big kind of trees with broad leaves and they shed all at one time and it's got a bark that peels off and it's got little nodes or bulbs on it with tough wood used it for chopping blocks or something like that 811: um Interviewer: with long white libs and scaly bark 811: uh must of been a a white oak Interviewer: okay a s- a you know what kind of tree it was oh back her climbs in the back 811: no Interviewer: a syc- 811: a syc- a sycamore tree Interviewer: you got them? 811: {NW} I don't Interviewer: what about a kind of a shrub that grows real red in the fall and uh it's poison to some people 811: uh poison ivy Interviewer: okay um and then you got you got sumac or shumac here? 811: uh I don't know what it is Interviewer: uh okay uh {NW} now you mentioned straw- you mentioned the kind of berries you get here uh you get any of those red berries with a rough surface? 811: yeah uh we call them blackberries what do you talking red and they're black Interviewer: okay a razz you got a ` you ever eaten rasp raspberries 811: yeah yeah um I've ate some Interviewer: ate some what 811: raspberries but uh but we got multiple round here it's a we used to get a whole lot of them until they started forcing that rice and that stuff it delays them uh and what happen about the time they come back out it's uh the season is over they don't Interviewer: okay now the kind of uh the kind of you might say be careful about those berries they might be 811: uh poison or um the uh uh Interviewer: you got any kind of trees that uh that let's see they got a big large flower on um and they got the green shiny leaves 811: mm not that I know of Interviewer: {D: well uh what what do they call here the state of the bell here} {D: the locus} up above here is what 811: the state Interviewer: yeah 811: uh Interviewer: they call it 811: that Mississippi Interviewer: okay and that's the what state 811: uh Interviewer: you got any magnolia trees here 811: got very few uh that I know of Interviewer: yeah um {D: any other kind of laws here any kind of laurel trees here} 811: Mm mm alright uh well now I wanted to the change the subject and talk with ya about about folks and things like that when a when a married woman couldn't make up her mind about something she say I better ask my my husband Interviewer: okay uh she'd say like your ol' your father what would he call his wife he would call her his 811: his wife Interviewer: okay or any other any other names uh 811: uh well the first one you would say my phone and most of Americans I mean uh {D: alias} talking to people he would say my wife Interviewer: or my old 811: old lady Interviewer: okay and she'd say my old 811: {NW} my old man Interviewer: old man okay uh a woman who whose husband is dead is uh 811: uh it's uh a mix uh uh let's see Interviewer: her husband was dead 811: she's a widow Interviewer: What if she what if her husband just left her 811: uh well she still a widow uh Interviewer: did you did you you know any of the your grandparents 811: uh yeah I knew three of um Interviewer: you did 811: yeah Interviewer: that's right you told me that I think um and what did you call them you called your grandfather what 811: uh my Nan was uh {X} we I called him papa Interviewer: yeah she was your 811: grandma grandpa Interviewer: okay uh let's see that was on your mother's side 811: uh yeah Interviewer: okay what about your on your 811: on my uh on my daddy's side I uh on my father's side I knew his mother Interviewer: okay she was born to your parents 811: uh-huh Interviewer: okay could uh could either of your grandparents read and write or uh I mean or any of the three that you knew 811: no not that I know of Interviewer: what did they do they were were they here of the place 811: uh well uh they was living on different places uh uh um {D: bob was uh um Paris} they were living like on one form uh a plantation is what you might call it it was more or less a form and a the other one was living like on a plantation Interviewer: yeah they were um #1 well on the # 811: #2 {D: the} # Interviewer: if went back to Florida they'd probably slaves right I mean your grandparents 811: well they would uh they might have been slaves before uh during the time that I was born the slavery was over with Interviewer: sure yeah I know that I mean you only {NW} you're only thirty-eight you know 811: uh ` wha- what it was they they were pretty free to go where they want to go if they felt like leaving uh I guess what it was it was uh I did where I wanted to go they put much bed on the oil there you know like during the slavery times some one like that come and tell you or kill them all the time you know what I'm talking about they went out on there own they didn't have no education that there the only thing they knew was farming little stuff like that Interviewer: yeah 811: so you got to imagine huh they had each other they could have left if they wanted to I imagine where they put to it they want they would stay you know {D: no on could have put it they would take a guess} Interviewer: that was right after the 811: uh {NS} I said that was right after the the depression they say the depression was just about around thirty-seven and that was about six seven years after the depression when I was old enough to know {NW} what was now I remember when we had to to have uh stamps to buy what we wanted coupons if you would buy your book up you just was caught but you couldn't get more that about twenty-five a loaf or sugar Interviewer: was that during the 811: uh it was about the that was in the right round the fifties uh let's see mm uh back from the yeah that was around forty forty-eight forty-nine Interviewer: okay uh now um you have a name besides the name your known by in the family 811: mm {X} calls me Joe Interviewer: you didn't have a 811: uh no what you call a nickname no they uh put a bunch of but everybody calls me Joe Interviewer: um something that would have a a kind of a crib on wheels for babies would be called a 811: a a that would be a baby crib Interviewer: okay but did you see the one you could take the baby out in 811: uh uh eh uh baby stroller yeah you go out and why why day for a stroll Interviewer: okay um you know when a woman was was gonna have a baby you'd say she's 811: she's expecting or that she's pregnant Interviewer: uh what would women say to each other when they were talking about it they'd say she 811: she's expecting that she's going to have a baby uh Interviewer: if she didn't have a husband 811: oh well it was there the sheep sheep there we didn't talk about it too much {NW} got a little backed up Interviewer: okay they'd say she she what 811: she got caught for somebody Interviewer: she got caught 811: yeah Interviewer: okay or she got herself 811: got herself played or messed up Interviewer: okay um she got not what they were saying 811: not Interviewer: like that okay um when you didn't have a doctor to deliver the baby the woman you might send for is a uh 811: the maid they'd say uh Interviewer: in old times they called her uh who were you delivered by a doctor 811: no I was deliver by by one of these uh uh shoot I can't think of the name of it Interviewer: when a boy had the same color hair or the same eyes as the father they'd say the boy 811: resembles his his father Interviewer: okay {NW} what that say a boy around the neighborhood who started picking up lots of bad habits like your father make a few drink a lot or something like that they'd say that boy sure 811: sure takes after your daddy {NW} he drank everyday Interviewer: yeah that boys just a 811: he act just like his daddy Interviewer: yeah um but now your parents uh like you say when you come you say you were differently uh 811: yeah we's gonna brought up kinda strict Interviewer: yeah and uh to a child that was misbehaving uh you'd say you're going to get uh 811: you gonna get a whipping boy Interviewer: okay any other way of saying it your daddy he'll pull the belt off and give you a good 811: a good whipping or even a good spanking Interviewer: did uh what would uh what would you say to uh to a big boy say a boy about sun sized you ever give him uh 811: what what are you trying to do I used to whip him then he got a certain age and I found out after they get that age {D: and they like it they like the punishment and they want more} and you whip them and you whip them right there but if you punish them he's gonna learn for a long time and gradually I'd punish him for a month and then go no where {D: and he'll tell all his friends about you gonna be set at the place} but I can't go well how come you can't go well you're gonna tell your friends he's punished and he'd make up some kind of excuses there but if I whip him it's all over after the whipping I found out and punished him put in a whole lot more and almost any kid has that certain age there where they wanna go visit here or there I go the grind pairs somewhere and if you can punish him he's gonna learn it's gonna do him a whole lot more good Interviewer: yeah 811: and with the um Interviewer: you might say he act now that he's 811: yes yes he's uh not happy as he is I think punish him is is gonna do a whole lot Interviewer: now well wait uh if he's five inches taller this year you'd say he certainly 811: has grown Interviewer: grown a lot in the past year then uh the you came up so fast you could only see 811: to see him grow Interviewer: like your boy 811: yeah he Interviewer: from last year he 811: uh he grown I'd say about four inches and put on he put on maybe twenty-five pounds Interviewer: okay now um a child that was born to a unmarried woman is a uh well what do they call you know what did you hear coming up they have a name for them 811: I don't Interviewer: Well I'll be I'll be frank with you you know I guess things were a little different 811: you know we didn't if I didn't make a whole lot of difference the bad we didn't do like the kids do today Interviewer: yeah 811: if we as we a horse had to call us up we didn't know or cared for what come Interviewer: yeah 811: and we never did even if we knew of it we didn't know if she was married or not or {D: what the people would do or be if we guess it} Interviewer: right 811: playing down about the whole thing Interviewer: yeah 811: and uh and you never had a the part they talk about you know lets she was uh had a kid out of wedlock or something like that Interviewer: the baby was yeah 811: was born without a a out of wedlock with no father something like that we'd never hear that Interviewer: okay but um in this area Joe I know there was a lot of there was what about a baby that was say a baby that was born to a to a white girl or a poor white girl or something like that would they have a name for that kind of a jesting name for it 811: uh Interviewer: you know or okay now your brothers son is called your 811: nephew Interviewer: okay um a child that had lost both it's be it's just a it's if it's lost both it's parents it's 811: it's gonna be a adopted kid Interviewer: or it's a or uh yeah you know somebody that lost both his parents you'd say he was a they adopted a what 811: uh a kid that is an orphan is a Interviewer: an orphan ? 811: an orphan um Interviewer: and who would look after him his legal 811: his legal guards I'd say or suppose they'd it's my aunt or his aunt or whatever or the closest kin to him usually at that time it's either the aunt or the mama uh or one of the parents Interviewer: yes 811: or someone will take it like it is or put it up for adoption Interviewer: but he'd have a legal guardian 811: a legal guardian um well Interviewer: now you'd say this town is full of my uh or if you've got a lot of cousins or nephews or nieces around you'd say this town is full of my 811: kinfolk Interviewer: okay somebody might have the same family name as you and look a little like you but you say no 811: they not related to me Interviewer: no 811: no kin Interviewer: no relation okay now somebody who came into town and nobody had seen before he's a 811: a stranger Interviewer: it make any difference what part he came from he's from another country 811: well if you are thinking he is from another country if he had come to a town like this Interviewer: they'd call him a 811: they would call him a foreigner Interviewer: okay would they ever say that about a person who's from the north 811: I doubt it we'd probably call him a Yankee Interviewer: okay 811: but they wore they before that Interviewer: alright um okay now okay what relation would my mother's sister be to me 811: uh that would be your aunt Interviewer: okay um a couple common names for girls that start with an M would be 811: uh Mary Interviewer: or any other ones 811: uh Martha Interviewer: okay uh what about a a male goat is called a what kind of goat uh a nanny goat and a 811: a male goat Interviewer: the uh 811: uh papa goat Interviewer: okay uh remember that old bandit called the kid called what uh okay the nickname for Will or William would be what if your father had the name of William you call him your 811: oh uncle William Interviewer: okay or we have another name your uncle William 811: your William Interviewer: he'd be your what 811: my uncle William Interviewer: okay uh now a short name for that would be what 811: uh uncle will Interviewer: okay you know Jimmy Carter has a brother what's his name you know what his name is 811: Doug Doug {X} I know he smoke about six packs of cigarettes a day I don't know who he is Interviewer: yeah yeah drinks a lot of beer too 811: I didn't know about the beer I tell you He smoke a lot of cigarettes I seen him on TV Interviewer: Yeah {NW} yeah well he's a he's a okay he's named Biff uh Biff 811: {D: Budney} Interviewer: yeah {NS} okay you ever know anybody by that name you call them a male goat by that name you ever heard called a billy 811: a billy goat Interviewer: yes oh okay um {NS} now now a nickname for a girl named Helen would be well H-E-L-L-Y spells 811: Helly Interviewer: and and the L-L-Y N-E-L-L-Y you ever heard a woman named that oh okay yep now another name beginning in m for a man would be what think well lets see the four gospels you ever heard the bible 811: yes Interviewer: okay they were written by Mark Luke John and 811: Matthew Interviewer: huh 811: Matthew Interviewer: okay {NS} um a woman's name with an S would be what 811: uh that'd be Sarah Interviewer: okay or if your if your father had a brother john he'd be your 811: uncle Interviewer: you'd call him your 811: uncle john Interviewer: okay um now what about a wo- a barrel maker would be a what they called them in the old days what did they call them you know what they call a barrel maker in the old days 811: no Interviewer: okay do you know what the uh the the baseball hall of fame you know did you ever watch baseball on TV 811: yeah Interviewer: okay they said it somewhere 811: to Cooperstown uh New York Interviewer: okay now that name 811: uh coop coopers Interviewer: cooper okay if you saw a woman by that name you'd say good morning 811: uh ms cooper Interviewer: um now a preacher Joe who was a trained and he didn't have a regular pulpit and he preached on a Sunday here or there but he didn't he made his living doing something else he'd be called a what 811: a Interviewer: they have a name for it like when you're across what what religion were you before you were catholic 811: methodist Interviewer: you were 811: yeah Interviewer: well methodist I am a methodist um you'd call him what kind of preacher now did you have those kind of fellows travel around and preach to the church 811: what the what we had them I'm sure that's what he was he would ask for that on Sunday he had a couple of more judges yeah Interviewer: okay now what about a man you would trust to build you a chicken coop but you wouldn't trust him to build anything else you'd say he was what kind of carpenter 811: that would be a jack league Interviewer: #1 okay # 811: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: would you ever say that about a preacher like that 811: uh yeah Interviewer: you'd say he was 811: jack league preacher {NW} Interviewer: okay would you say that about a lawyer uh {NW}