847:  {X} really use the the {NS} the scare tactics that they probably used before and that he was gonna turn {NS} all the black people loose and give 'em all jobs and push whites out of jobs. {NS} So they started talk- they used a religion thing to scare people.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 You know # if you couldn't use a racial thing you'd use a religious thing.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 And uh # {NW}
Interviewer:  Do you know of any uh derogatory names for Protestants?
847:  No.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about uh Mexicans?
847:  Right now Mexican is bad.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh Wetbacks.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh Pepper bellies.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Anything else?
847:  uh Tortilla.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  That's about it you know like uh the wetback and the pepper belly thing is uh {NS} #1 something that I remember very distinctly. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # #1 I remember the wetback thing. #
847:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  What about uh about-you're gonna laugh but I have to ask you these. What about Czechoslovakians? Anything derogatory? What about Germans? Okay what about Italians?
847:  Wop.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 That one. #
847:  #2 Yeah. Yeah. # That one kinda stuck down here- it's it's down here now.
Interviewer:  What about Lithuanians? {NW}
847:  I've only known one Lithuanian and I was in service with him.
Interviewer:  I've only known one too I think.
847:  It's a very small country #1 you know yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Uh what about-oh yeah you said what was it you said Pole was?
847:  Polacks.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  That's about all.
Interviewer:  Okay what about uh Puerto Ricans? {NS}
847:  No.
Interviewer:  Greeks? Englishmen?
847:  No.
Interviewer:  Scotchmen-Scotsmen? How about {D: Gambians}?
847:  #1 Nothing. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay Frenchmen? # Russians? Cajuns?
847:  Well you know like you-you'd you know like German {NS}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh {NS} just being a German when I- as I grew up was bad.
Interviewer:  Because it was right after World War Two?
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh Cubans uh whenever-I really never gave too much thought to Cubans till Castro came along.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  And then Cubans uh just being a Cuban was something bad.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh
Interviewer:  What about now?
847:  Now it's- it's easing a little bit but people still have uh that feeling toward Cubans that uh
Interviewer:  mm
847:  uh there's something bad and of course {D: in the hallway} you didn't need a derogatory name for a Russian.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NW} #1 {NW} #
847:  #2 uh #
Interviewer:  #1 That's true. #
847:  #2 You know uh I had enough of # you know like uh German uh the G-I Joe comic books taught you enough about you know various things that you just didn't uh have a good use for
Interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 uh particularly uh # the Japanese.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  That was the damnedest thing to me and after I got grown I started to thinking about it is that the Germans were a greater menace to the to the world than the Japs were but then all of the and here's where that racial prejudice come in uh ethnic I think uh color prejudice come in so much uh over race.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  {NS} is that {NS} most of the battle comic books like G-I Joe and those other things they used to have would alway show G-I Joe winning the battle against the Japanese.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  You know they would be uh uh uh they called 'em Chinks and all you know it was just something that I always wondered you know like well why weren't that many comic books about #1 Germans you know about us #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  beating the Germans but then that's where that #1 color thing comes in. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah it's true. #
847:  uh
Interviewer:  Did you ever hear any derogatory names about Scandinavians?
847:  No.
Interviewer:  What about somebody who belongs to the Republican party?
847:  Well {NS} down here being a Republican, it's just bad to be a Republican to me uh the thing that uh {NS} I deal with Republicans on is their ability to be ultra-conservative in-about everything
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 uh # and I-I think uh that conservative tag has been something that's uh bad for them uh in the minority community with poor people uh social workers the whole thing you know like uh you just don't that conservative badge is something that uh uh people get stuck with. #1 You know I'm a #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  conservative and uh well and I-I'd imagine some moderate or some liberal Republicans but uh then they're just stuck with that conservative
Interviewer:  What about insulting names for immigrants? {NS}
847:  Oh uh people call them jackasses. You know that comes from the party uh uh mascot.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  but uh
Interviewer:  uh Okay um I think you'll like this. Well I don't know you might not like this. Tell me about playing the dozens. Is it-do y'all call it that?
847:  Yeah I never engaged in it though.
Interviewer:  You didn't?
847:  uh-uh
Interviewer:  What-how is it regarded in your community I mean you know what kind of kids did it?
847:  Everybody did it. I didn't do it.
Interviewer:  Why didn't you do it?
847:  I just- I always thought it was insulting.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  It was something that I didn't- I wasn't able to come to grips to play with. uh People who knew me just didn't play that you know {D: ever so I could fight it} {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 uh uh-huh #
847:  #2 something to me you know # or a war march.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  I-I just I just never-I just could-uh to me it was always something that was derogatory, demeaning humiliating and uh I just didn't engage in that sort of a thing #1 but I do #
Interviewer:  #2 uh-huh #
847:  know that people everybody did it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh
Interviewer:  Was it called anything else?
847:  No, none none other than the dozens. {X}
Interviewer:  What kind of a-a word of respect or affection would you use to refer to like your best friend?
847:  My best friend. I think it I-I don't use this very much anymore it's like my main man.
Interviewer:  mm mm-hmm
847:  You know uh
Interviewer:  That probably-couldn't you'd say that you'd say best friend? {NS}
847:  Yeah I use buddy a lot. {NS} uh I uh I know I know uh I would only consider my closest friends as being my buddies you know I don't uh and that's just two or three people, other people are just uh consider them as being a friend or an acquaintance.
Interviewer:  uh-huh uh-huh What about uh do you know any words that might be used to refer to an adult who's close friends with an adolescent?
847:  Close friend with an adolescent.
Interviewer:  uh-huh {NS}
847:  mm-mm
Interviewer:  Okay what would a young man call his best girlfriend?
847:  His woman.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else? Okay what would she call him?
847:  Her man.
Interviewer:  {NS} Anything else? {NS}
847:  No. Anything else would be lying you know like that's {NS} colloquial that's what it is man and woman.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what um names do you have for people that are known as hippies you know like you used to be in San Francisco would be the same thing?
847:  Freaks.
Interviewer:  mm-kay anything else? {NS}
847:  That's about it.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what do you call a man who uh-a person who carries and delivers uh mail?
847:  It used to be the mailman now he's the postman.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  The rule changed?
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What does your son call him?
847:  Mailman.
Interviewer:  uh-huh That's funny. Wonder if he'll change when he gets older.
847:  He'll change.
Interviewer:  That's funny. Uh okay what do you call a person who loads and carries away garbage?
847:  Trashman.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  Well he's a sanitation worker now.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  #1 You know so {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yes. # Depends on whether you're at work or not doesn't it?
847:  Yeah it uh if I'm at work he's a sanitation man.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  When I go home he's the trashman.
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  uh He's never been a garbage collector. He's always been a trashman. I know uh in other areas people say garbage collectors. Here he's either been a trashman, he left from being a trashman to a sanitation #1 worker. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # #1 {NW} #
847:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  That's pretty good. Okay uh what do you call a woman who solicits and-and gets money for uh sexual relations?
847:  She's a whore.
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  But you don't say whore it's hoe.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. #
847:  you know
Interviewer:  I get it.
847:  H-O-E not W-H-O-R-E.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Any other names?
847:  uh I guess hoe and whore was the uh first words that I heard to describe a prostitute.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh Then prostitute. I've known a lot of prostitutes in like uh and been and have some friends of mine. uh So you refrain you have to think you know figure out something better to call our friends and so it became sporting ladies.
Interviewer:  Oh okay. #1 {X} #
847:  #2 you know uh #
Interviewer:  Is that what they call themselves or?
847:  Yeah like uh they they you know like prostitute is like uh uh there's a there's a proper name to say that they're filthy in uh certain social circles and uh hoe or whore is a little bit demeaning and #1 derogatory. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  So sporting ladies like uh it gives a little bit of flair and a little dignity.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  So uh in in proper circles they're sporting ladies.
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  But uh they don't mind calling each other whores though
Interviewer:  Oh is that right?
847:  No. It's just like uh when you {NS} first day you came over here I you know I in that circle of women they they call each other whores, bitch you know.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Friendly. #
847:  Friendly and awful. It just depends on the tone.
Interviewer:  Oh. #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 You see uh # some people can curse you with a tone that you know is a negative tone you can be cursed again but be a positive tone.
Interviewer:  uh-huh mm-kay
847:  You know it's like uh uh motherfucker. {NS} We use that word daily. Day in and out you know but #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 For what # exactly?
847:  For what?
Interviewer:  Yeah for what. Yeah.
847:  Everything.
Interviewer:  Okay give me some examples?
847:  If I was describe in describing uh I have a lot of good things that I call people but uh then I guess uh if it's something that's say disgust that individual might you might get a reply like That's a motherfucking shame. uh {NS} An exclamation. Ain't that a bitch.
Interviewer:  mm mm-hmm About a situation?
847:  Yeah. uh But motherfucker is just something you use all- it it just comes out without really {NW} a real problem at all.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh
Interviewer:  But you use it when you're mad and when you're not mad?
847:  #1 mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  #2 Right? # mm-kay Okay what do you call a man who solicits business for a prostitute?
847:  He's a pimp.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  He- he's either a pimp or a trick. You know like uh
Interviewer:  A what?
847:  A trick. Uh tricks can be used in so many different ways it just depends on the individual situation uh The person who buys that uh the uh who buys the woman is a trick.
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  uh A trick is usually a stupid individual that you can say that game that you can play a game on 'em anytime you so desire. And uh he's gotta be a real trick to go out and buy. You know like uh the word trick came in at uh I think in the hustling field where is it people started talking about somebody that they could uh uh use a con game on.
Interviewer:  What #1 what was it, was the #
847:  #2 So then trick #
Interviewer:  hustling game, the hustling field?
847:  Well hustling carries a lot of things like hustling is uh {NS} a hustler can be a gambling hustler.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  Most gamblers uh at one time uh were uh crooked gamblers. So then you start hustling people. uh It's like playing on uh the things that you know you can play on people uh uh well they're not- they're gullible, they're not
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh Whether they are apathetic in their approach to life a lot of things that you can deal with in hustling people uh to hustle a trick uh it could be uh {D: say like a runner for} the prostitute uh. Of course now that you don't find very much of that anymore. Uh you used to have uh uh in uh you made your hotels and places like that the bellboys became hustlers became hustlers for the prostitutes.
Interviewer:  huh
847:  Or either they hustled for the pimp and that was they would be hustling tricks. Like a convention would come into town.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  uh You know like you drop a word you know you gentlemen looking for some nice ladies uh just let me know uh. Well he becomes a hustler of tricks.
Interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 And uh # well the trick is the individual that's gonna pay.
Interviewer:  oh
847:  uh Then the trick thing uh well you see playing tricks is like a game that you play in fun.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS}
847:  Well you always feel like at any time that a prostitute uh a hoe is gonna approach a man and she tells him if it's uh ten and five or maybe uh ten and two well ten and two it means ten dollars for her and two dollars for the room.
Interviewer:  mm
847:  uh She becomes more of an expert in her field of endeavor if she's able to get more than the ten.
Interviewer:  uh uh-huh
847:  so it's a trick you gotta play, it you be a tricker that I didn't make my money and my man's gonna beat you know a lotta games people can go through and uh you know like if I'm just trying to really to get off into how the name trick started being applied to people.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  uh I've seen people uh tricked out of their money by some of them. uh A fifth of water for a fifth of whiskey.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} That is bad.
847:  Yeah you know it becomes a real trick #1 and it is a trick #
Interviewer:  #2 I guess so. #
847:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
847:  uh But I've seen 'em even go for uh pay for a pint of urine you know that #1 it just #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yuck. # {NW} #1 {NW} #
847:  #2 {NW} # Some real tricks out there. {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} That's funny.
847:  uh These were usually games that we played on white people.
Interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 You could never # trick you you sitting there like we use nigger I started to say you could never trick a nigger like this.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 Unless # he was a real real zip fool. He would have to be a real zip fool and I mean a zip fool a zip fool is like #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah a zip's # {D: nasty}
847:  you know the worst kind of fool that you can run into I mean he's just uh uh he's the head of all fools like a zip fool you know like zippers is something that you use in in describing the term of something real fast.
Interviewer:  uh uh-huh
847:  Well this fool is ahead all #1 precedent things. #
Interviewer:  #2 This is true. #
847:  #1 Fool. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
847:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 I get it. # {NW} #1 Okay. #
847:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {NW} {NS} Funny.
847:  But uh that really the hustling the hustling thing, it you can hustle people in in so many different ways uh. uh I've seen people hustled for food for drinks for dope you know uh they're just games to people run 'em you know. #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 mm-hmm #
847:  uh But I I I think that less more women hustle men than men hustle women. #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right? #
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 Why is that? #
847:  #2 uh # Well it's it's more you know like uh men are more willing to pay than women are willing to pay you got women on {D: their merit days} are willing to pay, uh You got uh course I've seen slick fellas that might play uh homosexual game is what they hustle sissies {NW} you know uh
Interviewer:  Wait when you say slick fella does that mean homosexual?
847:  No slick
Interviewer:  Just means fast?
847:  Fast. uh A greased pig is slick. You can't know how to hold him if you're trying to catch him.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  Well a slick person is one who's usually able to get out of the uh little things that people get trapped in they don't get trapped in it.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  uh they play a little bit ahead of the game uh the everyday game if people in inv- involved in you know a little little {D: wire type} games that people everyday go through well they're just sometimes a little bit ahead. Like for instance uh you would figure a slick individual is able to when everybody else is driving eh a Volkswagen he's driving a Cadillac uh uh everybody else is in sneakers he had on alligator shoes and
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  and diamond rings and so forth #1 so uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  then slick became that- that- that-thing uh uh then people used to slick their hair back you know when they started making a little money. They started manicuring themselves a little bit and uh they had that well-tailored look of slick back you know #1 so they were slick thinking. #
Interviewer:  #2 uh-huh # #1 Okay yeah. #
847:  #2 You know. #
Interviewer:  What-what names do you have for the police?
847:  Pigs.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
847:  Dogs.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh I I started a lotta people calling policemen dogs.
Interviewer:  {NW}
847:  uh Even though I have nothing against dogs but I think somehow another that uh since uh I really I that I- I use dogs more than I do pigs to describe the police.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm Anything else?
847:  The law. The man.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  You know.
Interviewer:  Okay uh What do you call a person who operates a mortuary?
847:  hmm {NS} I guess they used to be a funeral director.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Now it's a mortician.
Interviewer:  Okay. uh What do you call a person who sells L-S-D or heroin or something like that directly to the user?
847:  mm He's a pusher.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  No he's just {NS} he's just a pusher to me.
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  Cat that he gets it from is the dealer.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay what do you call a person who wastes time on the job?
847:  {D: Fuck-off}.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  Dodging service is a goldbrick. I don't use you know I stopped using goldbrick because people look at you like you're cra- you know what is that?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh so uh I use fuck-off more than I do anything else
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  to describe that the individual that does that.
Interviewer:  Who does that.
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about a person who drinks al-alcohol all the time and too much?
847:  He's a lush.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  uh I think in better circles they call him an alcoholic.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  Now they even have have have differences in those like uh you got a wino. uh There's a difference between winos and alcoholics.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 How's- # how's that?
847:  Well {NW} usually a wino is a impecunious individual
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 {NW} #
847:  #2 uh # who has more looks more like a hobo. uh course you very seldom hear anybody say anything about a hobo #1 nowadays. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  uh An alcoholic an alky, sometimes you call 'em alkies. uh There's something else that my friends call it uh oh {D: grogger, boozers.} You know. But I usually stick with either he's a now there's a difference now a lush there's a difference between uh I-I have a distinction between wino, lush and alcoholic.
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  uh A lush to me is a woman who drinks too much.
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  uh And I know and in my circle and we apply that more to a woman we don't call an alcoholic call him a lush. And men are lush it's sorta it's- it's sorta derogatory and demeaning. You know like uh you you really see people that get what we call funky drunk.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  You know they just load it in. uh An alcoholic is that individual who drinks every day and drinks excessively who can control it but sometimes he can't control it. You can always depend on him to get drunk.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. And a wino is?
847:  Well a wino he drinks wine every day practically. And most winos do drink wine everyday uh they won't work, they don't work they're they're content with uh hustling bottles rags cardboard. You got a few winos who work on the construction job maybe two or three days outta the week. uh They will all steal from you but then they're not they don't they won't steal anything enough to go to jail, they want to make you mad at 'em.
Interviewer:  Oh. Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 uh # They-they there's sorta like a borderline thing they-they're not gonna prick very few winos have ever committed any violent crimes they-they ain't the major type of crimes I-any winos I have known.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  You know they just don't engage in violent activities. Now they'll fight among themselves. But uh they're- they're great lovers of themselves they love each other. You know there's more brotherhood among winos than you could find among anybody else.
Interviewer:  huh
847:  Any other #1 uh group of people. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
847:  uh I've seen winos take {NS} a fifth of wine and drink it all with the exceptions of maybe three quarters of an inch down to the bottom and says I'm gonna save this for my buddy and if that buddy doesn't show up for a whole day he's saving a corner of wine for him unless he goes- he's able to go buy another bottle and save him some.
Interviewer:  huh
847:  uh That first morning's drink they'll look for each other for two hours before they'll go purchase a bottle you know buddy's gotta be on the drug drink the bottle with him.
Interviewer:  {NW}
847:  uh Once they've finished drinking uh one of 'em might take the bottle and pop the other over the head with it but uh
Interviewer:  {NW}
847:  then- then tomorrow they're still drinking wine together.
Interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 uh # They don't like people to talk about their friends and they will and they'll talk about each other uh but they they have seemingly more appreciation uh for for brotherhood among themselves
Interviewer:  #1 huh #
847:  #2 sense of # some togetherness uh
Interviewer:  What do you call um a female homosexual?
847:  Mm butch.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
847:  Dyke. Dagger. I don't use dyke it doesn't sound right. uh uh Bulldagger. I don't know that's something that uh I guess you'd say bulldagger or butch. Butch is something that came on recently. uh It was always bulldagger to me. uh People uh kinda cleaned it up because bulldagger sounded so nasty. eh you know it just that was the worst kind and then dyke came along. uh butch Now we use a lot of uh in some circles I go in uh we use gay.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 uh # Reason why we use gay is because then you really don't know who you're talking about hard to nowadays.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  #1 so uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # #1 That's right. #
847:  #2 uh # I used to tell my wife you know like uh she has a lot of morals and uh least she used to
Interviewer:  {NW}
847:  and uh she was very {D: easily of how to} become involved in the conversation and get excited in talking about certain uh things that happen socially and I'd always don't say look you don't you just don't make those statements out in public about who you don't like and what you think people are if they do certain things because you don't ever know who you're talking to.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  I think she learned you know later on what I was talking about #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  so if you're in a good circle of people unless it's people that you know personally uh I you you know like in my circle, people they refrain from uh using butch dyke bulldagger or dagger and they'll just go the gay route.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  cuz uh nine times out of ten there's somebody around there who's had some certain homosexual dealings somewhere along the way
Interviewer:  uh-huh What about male homosexuals what do you call them?
847:  Mm sissies, punks.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  uh Freaks.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh
Interviewer:  What-again what if you're in polite you know where you don't know who you're talking to do you say gay for a man too or?
847:  Oh they're gay. Yeah uh I would never I would never I wouldn't ever uh insult uh a homosexual one-on-one just directly you know what I'm saying you know uh call them a punk or a sissy or freak. It would be gay. {NS} uh I have a just I think my compassion for people say that people can be whatever they wanna be and uh I just don't think that uh uh they should need to be insulted and they do take those names and uh as being insulting.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Now if I'm in a setting of the all male role there {NS} well you know those cats are real he-men uh you know we we might sit around and say sissy and punk
Interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 or freak. # You know but uh
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  we wouldn't do it uh if we knew that persons uh in the group and that uh were homosexual.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What do you call a sexually overactive female?
847:  Freak.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
847:  uh Nymphs.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  I think freaks and nymphs is uh uh even even nymph is something that uh it's a proper uh word to use to describe uh uh that individual. But uh most people don't like it if they are like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  You know uh So we might go the freak route that you know in some circles people don't mind being called a freak now.
Interviewer:  huh #1 okay #
847:  #2 You know uh #
Interviewer:  #1 #
847:  #2 #
Interviewer:  #1 Is it- #
847:  #2 you- #
Interviewer:  is it just freak in isolation or would it be a something freak? {X}
847:  Well freaks could go uh {NW} In my circle a freak is an in- any individual who might have uh multiple outlets for sex gratification.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  That could be uh uh anywhere from uh intercourse to uh uh oral uh sex uh. There are persons who uh uh who even though they might be straight don't mind playing around with the opposite sex for a while. You know it just doesn't bother them either way you know uh uh as long as they have the dominant role. You know like uh the cat who is a man who uh he doesn't mind associating with homosexuals but uh for pay or play or whatever it is you know uh uh but he takes a spin on business attitude
Interviewer:  #1 huh #
847:  #2 about it. # It's a matter of business uh you got uh they're there are the women who might do that uh who I guess trying to think about when did we start hanging that one out and that was in the late I guess in the mid fifties when oral sex became more prevalent in the black community.
Interviewer:  Was it taboo or was that just not done or what #1 was it? #
847:  #2 Oh you # just didn't find you just didn't find very many blacks who engaged in oral sex. uh Now you do.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
847:  Yeah you know uh people get involved now so there's that I think {NW} the more intellectual and the more slick people are the more prone they are to start trying different things.
Interviewer:  Yes.
847:  uh #1 And so it #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  was in that particular circle uh say in the marijuana smoking or the coke sniffing set where people don't particularly mind talking about freaking.
Interviewer:  uh-huh #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 You know # so #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Is # that what you'd call a overactive-sexually overactive male too?
847:  He's just a he's just a stud. We don't even look at him as being sexually you know that's #1 you see. #
Interviewer:  #2 Impossible. #
847:  Yeah impossible. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
847:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay I get it. #
847:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
847:  Yeah it's
Interviewer:  That's good. uh okay what uh-what about a sexually indiscreet female, somebody who's-
847:  No she's a bitch.
Interviewer:  Okay any other names?
847:  uh She's from a bitch to a whore.
Interviewer:  Okay what about uh an indiscreet male? {NS}
847:  Well
Interviewer:  Are there any names?
847:  There really aren't any names I kinda- it depends on who I'm talking to I might say that person is promiscuous.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  I like to use that one it's it's kinda cute to me. #1 You know uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  I always say that in this- in today's society promi- promiscuity is running rampant.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 {NW} # And it is. You know
Interviewer:  {NW} You're right. uh okay uh What about what names do you have for a really ugly girl?
847:  A bat.
Interviewer:  A what?
847:  A bat.
Interviewer:  That's a {D: really odd} name.
847:  Yeah you know that's when you say a bat you know it's just #1 bad. #
Interviewer:  #2 Bad. #
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
847:  uh I don't know I- we- we- there are so many different things depends on where you are you know like we've gone from dodo bird to bat uh or just plain ugly.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What about an ugly man?
847:  It mighta been goofball. uh it- Of course now goofball is an in- we usually thought about a goofball as being ugly plus what we would consider as not too hip you know like the country bumpkin type.
Interviewer:  Okay I get it yeah. Yeah okay uh what names do you have for a really intelligent person?
847:  Sharp.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
847:  uh I think sharp is you know like uh uh colloquially speaking sharp uh I go anywhere from uh I range with uh uh the person is uh I just say that they're intelligent.
Interviewer:  mm-kay um What do you call a place {C: noise} where the dead are prepared and kept before burial?
847:  That's a funeral home.
Interviewer:  Okay. Anything else?
847:  Depends on what I'm talking- it depends- if I was talking to you and didn't know you it would be a mortuary.
Interviewer:  That's interesting. But at home you could say
847:  Still a home.
Interviewer:  Okay what do you call a vehicle for transporting the dead to the burial place?
847:  That's always been a hearse.
Interviewer:  What do you call those buildings within the cemetery that are for burial of the dead-the buildings?
847:  I don't know I've always been inclined to call them a crypt.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm Anything else?
847:  No I used to wonder what was it nobody ever knew.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  You know uh and somehow or another it uh I guess Vincent Price brought the crypt to- to the- {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  You know really #1 that's- #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  that's when I started dealing with that was a crypt when I started watching horror movies.
Interviewer:  Okay what do you call a lazy non-working city employee? Is there any name in particular?
847:  No name in particular.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what do you call the headquarters of the police department?
847:  It's a police station.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  mm-mm It's either police station or jailhouse.
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  #1 People used #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  to call it jailhouse.
Interviewer:  That was my next question. {NW}
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  And where they're locked up are there any other names for that? {X}
847:  uh If I was talking to someone who was in uh prison reform or prison corrections it's incarceration.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NW} Okay if you were just talking at home what would you call it? uh Person's either been jailed or he's in jail. You know uh you say where's old so-and-so, he's in jail. uh-huh #1 Okay. #
847:  #2 You know # uh if he gets any time uh formal sentencing he's going to the pen.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  You know.
Interviewer:  mm-kay um I don't know if policemen carry them around here but policemen sometimes carry a club?
847:  That's a blackjack or billy club.
Interviewer:  What do you call the building that houses the firefighting equipment?
847:  Uh it used to be a firehouse and now somehow or another I call it the fire station.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  That's it.
Interviewer:  Um okay say somebody knows a politician well enough to secure personal favors. What do you call this kind of political influence he's got?
847:  Well even though that person to me is not uh a politician per se but uh uh so far as his uh uh his livelihood but then he's a politician. Always uh you know anybody that's in that uh political arena to me is a politician.
Interviewer:  mm-kay. Okay what do you call the influence itself you know you could say he's got real?
847:  I call it political influence.
Interviewer:  mm-kay. #1 {X} #
847:  #2 uh #
Interviewer:  um What do you call a public school for students in grades one through six?
847:  Grade school.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
847:  Elementary school.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  That's it.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what about grades seven through nine usually? It kinda varies.
847:  Well it was just rece- you alright- {NW} recent uh that I started associating that with uh middle school or junior high. uh Like I said there weren't even junior highs where I grew up and uh I've started learning what you know like I knew what junior highs were but then like uh you know we just didn't use junior high that much.
Interviewer:  #1 mm-hmm #
847:  #2 uh # It was in the sixties when people started using junior high to integrate it cuz then I imagine it was mid sixties that I can remember people started talking about junior high schools quite a bit. uh And the middle school thing is something that's come on in the seventies.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  But
Interviewer:  It's the same thing?
847:  uh there's some distinction between middle school and junior high school, middle schools uh uh do more specialized education and so forth.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  Uh they're sorta like the curriculum seems to be a little bit different but uh uh I think basically they're the same uh but the building structure itself is different uh like uh {NS} they have open classrooms uh. um They have uh group teaching and so forth instead of uh the uh uh I guess it's always been group teaching but not the way that they do group teaching now like sitting in the circles and that sort of thing.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  They do more of that in middle schools.
Interviewer:  {X} I never had any of that stuff so #1 of things. #
847:  #2 Well you know # like in middle school there would be no walls in here.
Interviewer:  Yeah I used to {D: be}.
847:  You know there would be walls you know what I mean but then like it's like the whole school is open.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  You know there's a class here and they can see the other class whatever they're doing and so forth.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah. #1 Okay. #
847:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Okay what do you call um grades oh usually ten through twelve?
847:  That's high school.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  That's it.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what do you call a large enclosed area of a school where basketball games are played and sometimes they have music for dramatic performances? Mostly basketball games that are played there.
847:  That's a gym.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  Rarely I might use on a rare- on a rare occasion I might use uh gymnasium but I don't uh
Interviewer:  oh
847:  you know I don't uh I ju- it's just gym.
Interviewer:  Okay. um What other names do you have for a school bathroom?
847:  {NS} Toilet. uh After getting out of the army I might call it a latrine uh then I associate latrines with being big places maybe like uh in a municipal auditorium or someplace where they have a lot of stalls and a lot of ins- uh uh installations in there. Uh that to me is a latrine because in the first latrine I saw was one with probably twenty stools and uh twenty uh twenty urinals around the wall so then latrine to me had to be a place with uh a lot of receptacles #1 around. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
847:  Yeah #1 You know #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
847:  so that's what I I kinda associate latrine and uh uh people have started uh- in my circle they- they use the john a lot.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Like uh well there's the john.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm yeah
847:  uh Cuz then toilet sounds sorta nasty. You know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh So john is always like kind of a cute little name for it so we- it- there again is uh where you are. {NS} uh I think what I would be more inclined to ask uh where's your {D: bog} if it depends on where I- you know the
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  I think the social group uh if I uh am in the say in a fine home uh {D: the spot}.
Interviewer:  mm
847:  uh If uh I'm in a buffet it's restroom.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  uh Club, I'm looking for the restroom it's my {D: bog} and that's something that uh people to me need to make di- distinct different between uh going into someone's home and asking for the restroom and the {D: bar}. uh uh if they don't have a {D: bog} it's a lavatory. You know so it's- it's- it just depends on where you are like in my apartment there's no restrooms and there are no toilets. There are two {D: baths and}
Interviewer:  uh-huh yeah
847:  and I don't have a lavatory because uh it's not built like where you got lavatories in uh uh studios might be one downstairs.
Interviewer:  Now how are they different from one another?
847:  Well uh {NS} in a lavatory all you're gonna have is say a commode and a wash basin.
Interviewer:  uh-huh oh I see are the- any other names for that?
847:  mm
Interviewer:  Okay. do you think it's different what women- like polite okay like you were talking about john, people ask for the john because you think toilet sounds nasty. Well do you think women have a different term instead of john? Would they ask for the john or would they ask for something else if they were {D: trying to do it politely} #1 or kinda cute? #
847:  #2 {NW} # Women'll use lass for the john unless they're in that you know that real hip group.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 You know they'll # go through with it uh {NS} never really taken it much notice but I know that I will very rarely ever hear- do- do I hear that lady group of women
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 calling it # the john. it's either the {D: bog} or the restroom.
Interviewer:  uh-huh Okay uh what do you call the person who keeps the school clean and moves furniture and does minor repair work and stuff like that?
847:  It used to be the janitor now it's custodian.
Interviewer:  Okay. mm-kay uh When a student deliberately cultivates the favor and attention of the teacher you might say that the student is what?
847:  Teacher's- teacher's pet.
Interviewer:  mm-kay #1 anything else? #
847:  #2 uh # I just- imagine there's some little shortish names depends on whether or not you like the person or not
Interviewer:  Okay. {C: laughing}
847:  uh We uh oh yeah there's a good- suck ass.
Interviewer:  oh yeah
847:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah you didn't like that one. #
847:  I didn't like that one though
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  just kinda I don't use that too much. uh I have to really dislike an individual before I would say that about 'em. uh They have- their actions would have to be real repulsive to me. uh People like that uh who have no morals no scruple no self respect you know self esteem no nothing- they just don't have anything uh to me once they get to the suck ass stage uh they're the weakest smallest people I know.
Interviewer:  That's about as low as you can #1 go. #
847:  #2 That's # about as low as you can get to me.
Interviewer:  Okay okay um what do you call that kind of fence that's made of uh interwoven steel or aluminum wire it has oh it has holes in it about this big?
847:  That's a Cox fence and that to me uh
Interviewer:  What kind of fence?
847:  Oh well well Cox is actually a brand name
Interviewer:  Oh okay.
847:  but uh that's all I've ever called it was a Cox fence.
Interviewer:  {X} um
847:  I just imagine the Cox people would like that too.
Interviewer:  Well I bet they #1 would. #
847:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
Interviewer:  uh what do you call a very tall building in the city that's used for offices or apartments?
847:  mm I guess I've always used skyscraper.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  Well now I don't know uh occasionally I might find myself describing the building as being a uh uh an excessive multistory building. uh Of course then that depends on what circle you're in again. uh uh We uh I used to work in uh in apartment maintenance and in apartment maintenance we started like uh you're talking about single story dwellings and so forth, you move to family dwellings and your single family dwellings and you started going into multistory buildings and multistory building is anything over two stories.
Interviewer:  hmm mm-kay uh What do you call a parking lot that has several levels built one above the other?
847:  That's a parking garage.
Interviewer:  mm-kay anything else?
847:  uh We used to have a thing that we used to call it pigeon hole parking.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm is that the same thing?
847:  Same thing.
Interviewer:  uh-huh uh-huh
847:  Pigeon hole parking uh- pigeon hole parking lot was a little bit different because it went up on a uh elevator you know like
Interviewer:  Oh.
847:  you could move a single spot along uh uh say it was uh four levels.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Or three levels. And it just took cars up uh I think cars could be parked two into a bay like and this thing would go up like a giant forklift and like cars would go up from there.
Interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 You know. # So uh that was pigeon hole parking.
Interviewer:  What do you call a building equipped with automatic clothes washers and dryers?
847:  Well it started out to me being a washateria now it's the laundromat.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
847:  That's it.
Interviewer:  Okay what other words do you use for money?
847:  Bread.
Interviewer:  mm-kay anything else?
847:  uh Green, cash. Lines.
Interviewer:  What?
847:  Lines.
Interviewer:  That's a new one I haven't heard it.
847:  uh Well how did that happen? You have to- to- {NS} well let's talk about fishing, you got a fishing line right?
Interviewer:  Okay.
847:  uh people cast out their lines and they see that they have a long line and a short line like uh you got- if you have a short line you can do better fishing- I mean a long line you can do better fishing
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 farther out. #
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh And a short line you don't get very much. So uh you know we uh I guess I can't remember exactly when we started calling money lines but uh it's like uh you say you know hey do you have any money, no my lines are short.
Interviewer:  Oh okay.
847:  I can't do- you know like uh that means uh that your purchasing power or whatever is going to be uh cut down. It's like uh I can't do very much fishing today #1 you know not #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  much I can fish for cuz my lines are short.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  And uh usually with a dude got paid it's you know my lines are long today man
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
847:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  I like that.
847:  Yeah #1 so #
Interviewer:  #2 Well good. # um Okay what- what um what games did you play with your kids particularly hiding kind of games?
847:  Hide and go seek.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh
Interviewer:  How-how do you play it, how did y'all play it cuz I know there are a bunch of different ways
847:  Well we played like uh one person had to be the finder
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  well or the seeker and uh he had to either count to a hundred up to a specified number he had to count to uh with- supposedly with his eyes closed and back turned from all the action. And {NS} then if uh I forgot how we played the game. I- you know like you had uh that individual had to within three and a count of three say who was behind a certain rock or or behind a building or up on the porch or you know wherever that persons had been hiding.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  uh And like if uh when this person the one who was the seeker if everybody got back to the base where he had been counting off before he had to go to seek that meant that he had lost the game.
Interviewer:  Oh.
847:  Now the persons that he caught before he got back uh like he had to see that person and run back and touch that thing and say you know like you out.
Interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 So uh # It- but if a person beat him back to it that meant that he he had won.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  So uh it was- it- it had to be the one that he caught.
Interviewer:  uh-huh yeah what other games did you have?
847:  uh Marbles were always a big game.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh
Interviewer:  Did you play for keeps when you played marbles?
847:  I didn't.
Interviewer:  I didn't either cuz I always lost.
847:  Well it was- I didn't like- well one thing I didn't want to lose my own and I didn't want to take anybody else's.
Interviewer:  I always got attached to my marbles and I had two favorites and I would've never given them up.
847:  Well you always had those kids who wanted like some people I didn't play with cuz they would try to break your marbles.
Interviewer:  aw #1 {X} #
847:  #2 You know uh # I didn't like playing with those type of people.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh I was more or less a loner, I didn't uh I didn't get involved with other kids too much in their games.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh I guess the rea- kids usually were very cruel and inconsiderate and just harsh in nature to me and uh I grew up uh around older people all the time uh so kids games just didn't bo- you know I didn't- you know I just didn't relate to 'em the kids too much.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Was your closest brother or sister a great deal older than you were?
847:  Well neither my- either by brothers nor my sister ever- uh any of us with me been real close.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  uh I was closer to my my grandmother, my aunt in this order my grandmother, my aunt and my mother.
Interviewer:  uh-huh uh-huh
847:  #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 I was an # only child and I never even you know know what kids that much either I was so-
847:  Well I grew up virtually like I had an aunt of mine who was first black teacher out in a little town called {B} Texas. #1 and #
Interviewer:  #2 What town was it? #
847:  {B}
Interviewer:  Oh yeah I know where that is.
847:  It's between Lamesa and Tahoka.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Yeah. And I guess from the you know like age two, three you know around in there like uh uh my mother- my grandmother kept me quite a bit
Interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 cuz my # mother was working.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # And how long did you spend in {D: cotton}?
847:  Oh I don't know, like uh maybe a whole summer might be for nine months just #1 intermittently. #
Interviewer:  #2 Now wait was- # she was- wait your grandmother was she here in Dallas or was she in
847:  Well she'd come to Dallas sometimes and lots of times and spend a lot of time down {B} Texas with her.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh My aunt uh didn't have any children
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  and uh she wanted my grandmother to come out there and spend a little while with her so it just so happened I was with my grandmother at that time and uh my aunt got attached to me and I spent a lot of time out in west Texas with her
Interviewer:  uh-huh #1 uh-huh #
847:  #2 uh # Lots of times when I got to Dallas it was like people thought I was uh- kids in the neighborhood didn't know who I was.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh They always uh thought about me as being the boy that came to visit.
Interviewer:  Oh #1 yeah. #
847:  #2 You know # #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 uh so I sp- #
847:  I spent a lot of time uh like uh I started grade school out there.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh I started school when I was five. uh that was in one of those classrooms where all eight grades were taught.
Interviewer:  Oh mm-hmm is that right?
847:  Yeah. There are very- there are very few people my age that probably could relate to the
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  You know #1 {D: back to back and uh} #
Interviewer:  #2 That's right, hard to. #
847:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  You remember the sandstorms?
847:  Oh do I remember the sandstorms.
Interviewer:  {NW}
847:  uh Like now I can almost tell you if I walk outside when it's gonna rain if it's gonna rain and so forth uh just by looking at the cloud covering you know you get a it's a feel way the way the wind blows and the stillness and the wind all that sorta thing.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Early in the morning when the fu- when the sun first come up
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  you can tell if there's gonna be a sandstorm at least I could
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 There # was a little haze just at just seems like below
Interviewer:  Oh I remember that.
847:  uh
Interviewer:  I went to school in Lubbock.
847:  You did?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  I used to go to Lubbock all the time. uh #1 huh #
Interviewer:  #2 I remember # that haze. #1 when you could #
847:  #2 just that little # haze #1 and you could #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
847:  eh b- between eleven and twelve o'clock and no later than twelve-thirty wherever you where the #1 sand was #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  up on you.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Oh I #
847:  #2 uh #
Interviewer:  remember that.
847:  And
Interviewer:  Terrible.
847:  there were a lotta tumbling weeds around uh uh {B} and you could be out there were no trees seemed like there were tr- no trees #1 for #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  #1 miles. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
847:  And if you were out walking and a sandstorm come up you'd better take cover because if {B} like so just plain open and I can remember many times getting run over by huge tumbleweeds. I thought those tumbleweeds were at least five feet high I realize they weren't that big but they used to stack up in the corners you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
847:  #1 And those #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
847:  things were they were dangerous #1 too you know #
Interviewer:  #2 That's right. #
847:  they'd hit you.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh and I can remember many times running from tumbleweeds. and the worst thing I could about the sandstorm was in the springtime when the sand would blow it would have the tendency to rain sometimes.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
847:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. # uh-huh
847:  That to me was horrible. #1 uh-huh #
Interviewer:  #2 It was. #
847:  The the first school that they had in {B} was in a church building that had that wasn't complete. On a dirt floor. So there wasn't any floor in there at all
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh Then the school board bought some old army barracks. They put two barracks together and uh course I guess during World War Two they didn't make barracks uh they didn't think that they were gonna be permanent anyhow.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  and like the door sills and the window sills and so forth were this far apart {NS} and when it would would have a sandstorm all that dirt and sand would blow in the house.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
847:  #2 uh # And the school would cuz mine had a living quarters built into the school.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  And uh I can remember when we used to wake up in the morning and just take the sheets and shake the sand off the blankets.
Interviewer:  Oh. #1 Well I have no {D: way to talk about this}. #
847:  #2 Just be gritty and nasty # all over #1 us. #
Interviewer:  #2 Terrible. # I've never seen it that bad but I've seen enough to know what you're talking about.
847:  Oh it was terrible.
Interviewer:  When did you come back back to Dallas permanently?
847:  #1 Oh it was #
Interviewer:  #2 Cuz you would come # back to Dallas all the time #1 is that right? #
847:  #2 Yeah, yeah. #
Interviewer:  Yeah but it's been maybe half a year or something else or more?
847:  Never more than half a year.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh There was a well I was in Dallas like every holiday. Thanksgiving Christmas
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Easter. Some Easters we didn't make it back. Every summer we made it back and we spent summers between Dallas Houston and Calvert. and uh occasionally traveling to Oklahoma and places like that.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  uh I got a lotta travel time when I was growing up.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
847:  uh
Interviewer:  #1 When did- #
847:  #2 New Mexico. #
Interviewer:  When did you settle down {X}
847:  #1 mm I #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
847:  guess that uh Ten. Ten, eleven, ten because uh Was in the seventh grade. I was ten then.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  Well I was eleven yeah when I was eleven I was in the eighth grade that's right so I went to high school when I was twelve. Shoulda
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Course then that woulda been junior high then cuz I was in ninth grade.
Interviewer:  Yeah. You started out ahead of me. Talking about how you were ten in eighth grade?
847:  Yeah well I finished when I was sixteen.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Yeah. So uh
Interviewer:  Okay um do you remember any ring games like ring toss games? Things you used to play.
847:  mm Yeah. We used to play uh You know a horseshoe game.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  uh
Interviewer:  How do you, how do you, how did you uh play that?
847:  There was no specified distan- just as far as it was a distance that- that was- that was- that was uh comfortable for the best horseshoe pitcher.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  {NW} There's always somebody that that was better than the others and he'd always the you know like uh I could always hit the ring uh nothing but the stake in the ground and come pretty close at shorter distance than I was a longer distance.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
847:  Seemed like always cats that I would play with would place it farther away you know like because then they could their- their range was better than mine at long distance #1 so uh #
Interviewer:  #2 uh-huh #
847:  uh if- if you didn't play to well you had to kind of accept what the others did who played the game well.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
847:  Of course the farther away you put it then meant the better you were and so uh you would always be striving to catch up to people {X} with accuracy.