Interviewer:  {X} Yup! Fixed it! Works on time.
853:  #1 Telling you. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Ah.
Interviewer:  What all kind of buildings did you all used to have in farm?
853:  Well, we had a hay barn.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What else?
853:  And uh we had a-always when you picked cotton and uh
Interviewer:  {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. That's {X}
853:  When they picked cotton and had a cotton gin,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, you know, it takes the seeds out of that land.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, my dad always had a seed bin.
Interviewer:  Oh. Uh-huh.
853:  And they put the cotton seed on the land they fed the cows.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  That for the winter.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh {NW} You know that it, it uh really made lots of milk what a man that claimed that they give more milk {NW} the better they were fed and they cotton seed was a good feed
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They fed it to the cows.
Interviewer:  Was seed then in the barn or was it outside the barn?
853:  Well now sometimes it was attached.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But a lot of times they had just a little old building {NW} and they'd drive up out there and had a high opening, and they'd throw the seed over there with a big old scoop.
Interviewer:  Hmm. Um-hmm, okay. Okay. Uh. Did you have a special building where you stored corn?
853:  Corn?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well. Usually, sure. Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What did you call that?
853:  Uh, and a hay usually the hay was put in a loft. Hay loft.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Up. You know. Door up yonder. Platform and you put the hay up there
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the corn down the bottom.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. In barn?
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Did you have a # a special building where you, you stored grain?
853:  Well, not not around here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Now I have in West Texas they do because they raise all grain, you know. {NW} They don't {NW} well, they do have cotton too, but now uh John had a nephew that had three sections of lands.
Interviewer:  Wow.
853:  And he all he had was wheat.
Interviewer:  #1 My goodness. #
853:  #2 {D: Bellaire} # something, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they thrashed it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And they didn't uh They had a place for that but they usually {NW} they had a silo, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What did they use to do when they threshed the oats or whatever?
853:  Well, they They sold it to localities where they didn't raise it, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they I mean, didn't as big as they did.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they'd ship a lot of that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Oh, he shipped that where you know all over the United, all over the world.
Interviewer:  Is that right. #1 How, how do you thresh oats, do you know? Or grain #
853:  #2 No, they # have a regular thrasher
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. They do by machine?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I suppose that, did you ever see him do without a machine?
853:  Oh, no. No, I don't think he could. Now they shocked it. They put it in shocks you know, they cut it {NW} and, and bundle up a big one.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then stand it up and then stand the smaller shocks around it, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They tied them in shocks is what they call them.
Interviewer:  Yeah, was the big one {D: shawks} is the smaller one was {D: shawks}?
853:  Well, the, the You mean what?
Interviewer:  Well, okay, getting up on the little thing, right?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  And then you put all these little things together?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  The little ones, what do you call little ones?
853:  They, they're just shocks too, little shocks. #1 You know #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh I see. #
853:  #1 Um-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh. Um. Did you ever just pile up hay outside the barn?
853:  Yeah, they'd make hay stacks.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Oh, I got on a top of a hay stack and {NW} slide down a million times.
Interviewer:  {NW} Did you ever see a hay stack that was covered?
853:  That what?
Interviewer:  That was covered?
853:  Oh, yes.
Interviewer:  What did you cover with?
853:  Well, a wagon sheet.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And?
853:  You know, like they used to put over a wagon {NW} covered wagons.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh, okay.
853:  And they put them on each side and that put it in then sometimes it wouldn't cover clearly to the ground, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they had put stakes out down this corners and stake it so the water would run off.
Interviewer:  Um. Um-hmm.
853:  And wouldn't just sog it?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Worked pretty good?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  #1 Worked pretty good. #
Interviewer:  #2 That's great. # Um. What kind of animals did you all use to have?
853:  We had cows and hogs.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And horses, mules.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  We always had {NW} uh two good horses to work to the phaeton. You know what a phaeton is?
Interviewer:  #1 It, it's a, I just know that #
853:  #2 Double, seated thing. #
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  #1 It's kind of a #
Interviewer:  #2 Surrey. #
853:  Surrey.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And of course it took a wagon and all that to take us kids to #1 church every Sunday morning #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah I guess #
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  And uh But We always had a good buggy.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Single buggy and a double buggy.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And uh had horses for that and then the mules to plow and
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Work, you know.
Interviewer:  What did you call the place where you kept the horses?
853:  Out in the barn in the or in the pasture. And they, some of them call it stomp lot.
Interviewer:  A stomp lot!
853:  Stomp lot.
Interviewer:  I love it! That's great! Where was the stop lot?
853:  Well, it was connected to where they couldn't get into the stalls where the cows would go in there and it was a You know,
Interviewer:  Just connected to the barn there?
853:  Yeah, it was and fence stand with board fences, you know. Bound around it or barbed wire sometimes.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I've had the barbed wire around it.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. What other kind of fences did you have?
853:  I guess that's about all. {NW} Now out on the fen- the pasture proper,
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well, they had barbed wire fences, you know. Fence off the farms, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  From one farm to the another.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  They have a cedar post and barbed wire three or four or five
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Barbed wires.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Strung along.
Interviewer:  How did they, uh, use to make barbed wire fence? Do you know?
853:  I don't.
Interviewer:  How did they get the wires stay on that?
853:  Oh, they have staples.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Bent like a Nail on each end like, sharp on each end and bent.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  About that long. And you put your straddle, the wire nailed it in that post.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, I see. That kept it on. How far apart did you have to put the post? Do you know?
853:  {NW} Oh, I'd say as far from here to over there.
Interviewer:  Is it too long, all the way across?
853:  No, post. I thought you said #1 Post #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah, yeah. I'm, yeah. Uh-huh #
853:  Put the post, that far part and then that you'd, you'd have {X} You know, uh cows will get down their knees and crawl under
Interviewer:  Did
853:  They learn, you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  If they want it out bad enough.
Interviewer:  Just like a dog.
853:  Uh-huh. And you'd put it down about that high
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then the next one up about like this so they couldn't get through.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And maybe, it all depended on your animal whether your, they were kind of wild or curious or whatever #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. # Um. What kind of fence did you have up around your house?
853:  Well, usually just about barbed fence without Uh, we never did. My dad and never would have a barbed wire fence around.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  He was a {NW} as he used to tell me he had more pride than brain
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  He used to tell me, I'd say well where do I get it?
Interviewer:  {NW} Oh. {NW}
853:  But, uh. He'd have a board fence.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Painted white.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  I don't care if we rented or bought our farm or had our farm.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We always had some land and then rented some. But the house was on our land. {D:See.}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh-huh.
853:  And we'd uh and I'll tell you. The barn, the lot and the yards were kept perfect on the outside.
Interviewer:  Is that right. That's hard to do.
853:  Yes, it is. But I'll tell you, we had enough help the boys kept the yard and a fence fences up.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And my daddy walked the fence line every weekend of the world see if the stock would get out or could get out.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He was a farmer.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I guess. Um. Did you ever have a a special place where you milked the cow besides the barn?
853:  Sure. No, nothing only. Just the stalls.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know.
Interviewer:  Always milked them in the
853:  There'd be a shed come down and open.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the cows could walk in and they knew their stall.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  That's That was a long trough. And then they had a s- section in there fenced it off and this one they'd have a board between them
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And this old whatever we called her Maggie, we had an old Maggie.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And Maggie go just to straight to her stall. Nobody better not get in there.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And she go then, that's where she ate and you milked her there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then We always We had a whole bunch. And it, the funny part about it, none none of us ever drank milk.
Interviewer:  My goodness. Did you all just sell it?
853:  It, yeah. No. Gave it to dogs.
Interviewer:  Oh. You all didn't like it or what?
853:  None of us I had one brother and one sister
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  and mama. They would drink milk but we churned it and made butter.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And had butter milk to cook cornbread and biscuit.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We had biscuit every meal.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy. {NW} Oh, yum. I love biscuits.
853:  I used to. When I was ten years old. My mother worked in the field then.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  The boys were not all big and grown. Two of them were big enough to work on a field, in the field. And I cooked lunch when mama went to the field.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I stood on the box and made biscuit.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Not all of those kids to go bringing in the wood.
Interviewer:  {NW} That, that make you feel big? {NW}
853:  Oh, I'll, I'll tell you. If it hadn't been for me a lot of times uh mama was a good cotton picker.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And never picked a lock on her life 'till she married.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  Ah, mercy. Uh, my grandmother was a school teacher you know, I told you that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  She went to Oxford. And she thought that she was disgraced.
Interviewer:  By had her daughter pick up.
853:  Work in the field. She never liked my daddy on that account.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  Papa didn't make her, mom just wanted to.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  And after well I did more cooking than all of rest of the girls put together. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # What did you call the place where you kept the hogs and pigs?
853:  Hog pen.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay, what was it made out of? What is,
853:  It was just, just boards and uh down at the bottom sometimes it have what we called chicken wire down toward the bottom so that they couldn't get under.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  {NW} Root under, we call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  That root Hold out of there.
Interviewer:  Yeah, they tend-
853:  And they uh papa said now Jessie or Charlie Alier or Johnny You took what the house now have the uh milking done and slopped the hogs.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  slop the hogs.
Interviewer:  {NW} What did you use to slop the hogs?
853:  Milk
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And garbage from what we'd have left.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know where there's a bunch of kids eating and always left something in their plate, #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah.
853:  And you had a big outside of the kitchen door,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You had a big barrel.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And you put that garbage in there, you know.
Interviewer:  #1 What did you call #
853:  #2 Scraps. #
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then they dipped it out of there and put it in barrels on a little red wagons they pull it out to the
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  barn to the
Interviewer:  Did you have a special name for that particular barrow?
853:  For what?
Interviewer:  For this, did you have a special name that particular barrow where you kept this the hog slop?
853:  Ye- no. Just, just a
Interviewer:  Barrow, huh?
853:  That's all.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Um, what's the shoat?
853:  Shoat?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It's a small hog.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What's the difference between a shoat and a pig?
853:  Nothing. That's just pig, lot of pig but just called them shoats. Well, is a, a pig is a little one.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And a shoat is a little bit bigger and then on up gets to be a hog.
Interviewer:  Oh, okay. I see, I see. Where people used to keep their, uh, milk and butter when they didn't have you know, a refrigerator?
853:  You had a we called it a cooler.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW} And it was just a You know like those uh, utility tables.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You have one. You've seen them.
Interviewer:  Yeah. It's in the kitchen.
853:  {X} down here and one up here, well, you put that stuff in there and you covered it with clean cloth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it was in water. And it would drip down here that kept that when the wind put it outside it maybe under a tree or somewhere.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. Did it keep that cool?
853:  Or out on the back porch.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We always had porches.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And put it out on the back porch and that wind will blow through that wet cloth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And every so often you, this one up here is where your pan would be with your water and you'd keep that filled with well water and it was cold coming out of that well.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm, um-hmm. Well, did it? Did you just have to um Was the was the cold off the sitting down in the water or did you just have to come and
853:  Yeah. The water would be all- the cloth would be down in the water and then hanging up around all the way around.
Interviewer:  Awesome.
853:  And of course flies or anything couldn't get in to the
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  butter.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I see.
853:  Milk and stuff
Interviewer:  Kept it
853:  And you put your milk in there in crocks.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  They go around crocks or big old big around and high up and you know,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  different shapes.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then when it uh soured. Clabbered. Why you'd skim that cream off of there
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And a little bit of the clabber and that clabber went to the hogs {NW} and this little clabber and the the cream would make the butter and you'd have enough uh um butter milk you know to make cookie, biscuit, or corn bread.
Interviewer:  Huh! My goodness.
853:  Or drink.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Did you ever #
853:  #2 A lot of people did. #
Interviewer:  Did you ever use the clabbs before you think besides give it to the hogs?
853:  No, we didn't.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But uh, most people did.
Interviewer:  What, what could you use for?
853:  You could drink it. Did you ever drink any clabber?
Interviewer:  No.
853:  Lot of people {NW} uh would use it with corn bread and spoon but now we didn't. We didn't utilize much milk.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 You just didn't, your family just didn't like milk? #
853:  #2 No. # Far as I, I know now and anybody ever knew I never tasted a milk in my life.
Interviewer:  My goodness.
853:  And I could go over that, I keep it. To cook with, you know and everything.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I, I, I couldn't eat a bite and never did when I was kid. Uh, regular butter.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Cow butter. Now I eat margarine.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But it has to be melted on hot cornbread or hot biscuit. I couldn't just smear A piece of bread you know, spread it.
Interviewer:  That's probably good point that you don't.
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  It's probably better for you that you don't do that.
853:  Yes, I know it.
Interviewer:  But I love the taste of butter.
853:  I don't.
Interviewer:  Oh, that smells more I could stay.
853:  I couldn't And I, I'm sure some imagination.
Interviewer:  Yeah, well.
853:  It's, it's up here
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But uh, none of us ever drank milk much.
Interviewer:  Mm.
853:  Now my brother, Lee and my sister, Thomarie They drank milk.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they drank it yet or my brother died but he did. But my sister drank milk anytime in preference of tea or something else.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  And mama liked milk.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  But didn't take much to supply, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  A lot of times, they wouldn't drink milk, they drink, we drink water.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  We didn't have anything else. We didn't drink tea back in my childhood days.
Interviewer:  People just didn't have it, is that right?
853:  {NW} Well, we lived out in the country and that was hard to get ice.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And we didn't have electric, electricity, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {X} strap water.
853:  That lamp over there, sitting over there, it's a pretty lamp. Uh.
Interviewer:  #1 Near side of the house, get closer #
853:  #2 My mother # My mother and daddy went {D: housekeeping} with that light.
Interviewer:  That's beautiful.
853:  I've been offered three-hundred dollars for that.
Interviewer:  Amazing.
853:  I said no, it isn't for sale. {NS}
Interviewer:  Did it's pretty.
853:  And uh, when my older sister got married, my mother gave it to her.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And she was I did three years old, I told you.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I went to Wichita Falls and moved over down here when she got where she couldn't bury on herself.
Interviewer:  What was your name?
853:  {B} She lived up there for fifty, sixty years.
Interviewer:  What did my parents no, that's my hometown, you said, Wichita Falls. Where would you tell that she lived, you know where, where at Athens?
853:  She lived, uh, you know where {B}
Interviewer:  Yeah, sure.
853:  She lived in {B} thirty years.
Interviewer:  Hmm. Well. My mother and daddy both grew up there. They may, uh #1 They might have known them, {X} if nearby {X} #
853:  #2 {D: Was she, was she even after Waco when she told me, he said now} # She always called me sister.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the rest didn't. But she said now sister, I've got an another lamp but mama and papa gave me that never using it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  When I married. And she'd been married seven years. I didn't. And she said I want you to take it and have it. And she said so as far as I know, it's a saying weaken saying thing that was my mom #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Now of course the {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And then the But that's what it makes effective, I believe.
Interviewer:  Oh, yeah. Yes. Lot, lot of things. I know what you're talking about. It's beautiful. It's very nice.
853:  And my daughter has an antique shop.
Interviewer:  Oh, is that right?
853:  #1 Out on the #
Interviewer:  #2 Here in Waco? #
853:  {X} uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And she sells them every day at two and three and four hundred #1 dollars just like it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Just like that. # What do you call the step that you put in that kind of thing?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  #1 What do you call the step that you #
(no speaker):  #2 Coal oil.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Or kerosene.
Interviewer:  Same thing? Is that the same thing?
853:  Kerosene, coal oil.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. {NW} What is, what is the name of the milk company? What do you call the milk company here in town?
853:  Borden?
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. What if you didn't know the name of it and you wanted to go there, you know, you didn't know what the brand name was, but you wanted to go there, you'd say, where is the
853:  The milk company, #1 I guess #
Interviewer:  #2 What's another word for milk company? #
853:  I don't know.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um. Let's see.
853:  I don't really know.
Interviewer:  {NW} Um When you raised cotton. Um Well, tell me about raising cottons, tell me about you have to plant it first, I guess, and then what?
853:  {NW} Yeah. Well you know, we have a planter.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And it has a round disk thing in this canister deal and you put your seed in there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it, this thing rotates and then holes going outside
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And you open up when you plow, peer open up this thing.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And when you come along there well then the seeds drop down there you plant it.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm. Okay. And then after it gets up, three or four inches, then what do you do?
853:  You chop it.
Interviewer:  Is that right? What do you do that for?
853:  It well, you thin it out to of space.
Interviewer:  What about a foot?
853:  I, I would say foot and a half.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Maybe.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It's according. Now, you know they the propagated corn where they they bred it up, I mean cotton where they bett- bred it up,
Interviewer:  Um-mm.
853:  Somehow they'll get high as your head.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 But used to they had # cor- cotton wasn't very high, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  Well, they plant it closer together. {NW} But now these big stocks, {NW} well they get way up high and then they lap if you put them too close together.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  But, and you do want them to come close together when they get grown.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. I see. I see.
853:  And then now, of course I notice uh the first person in McClone counted {X} getting the leaves off of that crop.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Off there so they could pick the cotton.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And that I'm quite sure would be with there uh cotton picker, uh machine picking.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Not people picking cotton. You don't find many people pick cotton today.
Interviewer:  No, I don't. {X} the machine does. I don't know if it's good or not, but I don't know.
853:  But I picked uh {NW} I never picked any cotton.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  As I told you, I stayed in the
Interviewer:  #1 You were always back cooking. #
853:  #2 House #
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Right. I was a cook. But I tended to the kids.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  The grand kids, everybody else's kids. Little, colored kids on the farm.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They come crying to get a lived in the house pretty close you know
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And their parents would be working in the fields.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Anyway, I'd tend to them.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um. What would you call it stuff that grow up in the with cotton that you didn't want in there?
853:  That you didn't want?
Interviewer:  Yeah. What, not the cotton, but other stuff that would grow up in there.
853:  Well, it would just be uh grass and li- li- uh. Weeds
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And you thin. You thin that corn, cotton out and then of course you got all that stuff out of there and it was clean as it could be. {NW} And then you come along and you, with a cultivator.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And you plow all on each side you straddled it. You plow on each side and you have to heal it up. Soil up over there so that it could cover the roots good than people.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  #1 Cover down. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh, I see. # What do you call that, thing the plow nights when you go through?
853:  Middle buster?
Interviewer:  Uh. Well the, the thing in the dirt, that, that the plow base, what do you call that the
853:  Row.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. Right see here. {NW} You talking about the field, #1 how big is the field, I mean how big #
853:  #2 A field? #
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Oh, it could be any size. {NW} #1 We #
Interviewer:  #2 How small can it be? #
853:  Well, I would think that {NW} A field would be something that you plant. Plant acres.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I don't know it did when I owned a pen.
Interviewer:  If you had something only about half an acre, would you call that a field?
853:  Well, now I've got an acre in {NW} Nearly two acres back there #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
853:  And I call that my field.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  #1 Field, I would say. #
Interviewer:  #2 If # If you had something that was small, just like half or a quarter of an acre, would you call that a field?
853:  Yeah you you'd say yeah out in the If it's vacant. Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What if you had to plant in the strawberries?
853:  Well, you'd say strawberry patch.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Uh.
853:  Or in the berry patch.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Or out in the orchard, if they had trees. Peach trees or pears
Interviewer:  Yeah. Palms and so on. I wish I had a peach tree.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Peaches. Mm.
853:  In the orchard.
Interviewer:  Did you ever see a kind of a Uh, uh a fence that was built in a zig-zag pattern like that, that was made out of
853:  Yeah, uh-huh. They They lived that way, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What do you call that kind of fence?
853:  I don't know and I forgot. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Ah. Did you ever see a fence or, or a wall that made out of stone or rock?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What do you call that?
853:  A rock fence.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  {NW} {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} What would you say that your best dishes are made in out of?
853:  Dishes?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, porcelain or China?
Interviewer:  Um-hmm. Did you ever see a uh, an egg made out of that kind of stuff?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Where did you all, what did you all call that?
853:  A, an egg?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know, what, you had a glass egg that they used them a lot of times so when the varmints would get the begin to get the eggs, well they get to use artificial eggs, you know
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Or glass eggs. Uh-huh. {D:That had surprised to}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Divided to crack? #
853:  #2 Don't you know a dic- #
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Ah. What did you all use to carry water in?
853:  Jug?
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  My kids were mad at me, especially my son in law. {NW} I had a little brown jug. And I've had it May you said mother, mother I've, you've had that jug as long as I could remember, I said I've had it {NW} long before I married.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And I've been married sixty years or more.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I let it sit out. I built me a a table, I used the first cabinet that I had when I went to keep in house, you know, it was just an old cabinet.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  You've seen them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And it had a porcelain top. See.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Round in here, round there, porcelain top. But all you had to do was unscrew that down here to get it all.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  And, so I don't want to do the rest of it.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  But I had an old machine. And I took the paddle. Paddle thing out of it. And I put that porcelain top and made a yard.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh. #
853:  #2 Table out of that. # On that machine deal.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it sitting by this little house out here, you told me.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And I said that little brown jug out there with a uh a milk thing that you, jar, you know that you hold, you put the milk in.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  And it rained and it then it froze and burst them.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Both of them.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  They were really mad at me.
Interviewer:  I guess.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um When did that happen?
853:  This weather.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did ever had your pipes burst?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  Did you ever have your water pipes burst?
853:  Oh, yes.
Interviewer:  Uh, when was that?
853:  Oh, it's been several years ago.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What happened? Did you just not
853:  I wasn't at home.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
853:  #2 See # And uh I was in, I went to tower, little great grand son was baby.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he was gonna have his tonsils removed {NW} and the grand daughter liked uh three days getting her masters.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And she had to go to {D: Nikadoshtures} which was seven to eight miles wide.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  So, uh there was got, they had scheduled to have Blake's tonsils taken out.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I said, well I'll go home with you in ten, ten time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I stayed in the hospital with him and take him home and so I did. {NW} And uh When, and the weekend was up, why they wasn't going bring him out and bring him home, the weather was bad.
Interviewer:  Mmm.
853:  And my daughter came to tell her after me.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And when we get back home, a pipe under the sink had burst and that kitchen was full of water. And a pipe the come in the house into the end of the bath tub had burst and I had the water cut off {X} cut it off, but then they didn't get it cut off good see
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And it burst in that bathroom was full of water.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy.
853:  And the lavatory was full of water frozen.
Interviewer:  Oh. Oh.
853:  I tell you, I never had such a mess in all of my life.
Interviewer:  Yes. So could you even stay here? #1 Would you have to go some place else to stay while they fixed it? #
853:  #2 No, I didn't. I stayed at home. # She wanted me to go home with her that night, I said, no I'll stay here. And turned on all the fires and made that a thaw out of all that mess.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh-huh.
853:  And uh
Interviewer:  They have your place all that time?
853:  Mm-hmm. Next morning, I called the plumber.
Interviewer:  Mm.
853:  He said, I don't know Ms. Tairlette might have be awake two to four and get to you. So we got more bursted pipes than I've ever had in all my life.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  I said, oh, mercy, mercy. for singing oh, here he comes.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  I said, how come you to get to me so quick. He said, I left some.
Interviewer:  Ah. That's nice.
853:  And that's not too nice. That's not fair. It
Interviewer:  Well it's not fair but it sure was nice for you
853:  Good for me.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NW} It's nice to know that somebody he'll do that for you.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Things happen, I guess. Uh. What would you carry, what would you call the thing that you ca- that you carry water in, that's made out of wood?
853:  Bucket.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What if it was made out of plastic? Oh.
853:  Well, it'd still be a bucket.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What if it was made out of a, galvanized metal?
853:  Well, you might say uh, I've got an old tin bucket.
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright.
853:  But uh, we had a, you know, as I told you, my dad was particular and mama was too. But uh He wouldn't let us have a bucket We had a bucket in the dipper and everybody drink out of the same dipper, you know.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Way back yonder. {NW} But they had to be cedar. #1 bucket. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. # Yeah. I bet it tasted good.
853:  Pretty. And mama, I can just see her yet, those uh stays, it was put together, you know. Did you ever see one?
Interviewer:  I think so. I,
853:  Little wide stays they call them
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they used to put together and then they had these about that wide
Interviewer:  #1 About inch? #
853:  #2 Brass bands. #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Went around it.
Interviewer:  #1 About an inch wide? #
853:  #2 And mama # Huh?
Interviewer:  About an inch wide?
853:  Uh. Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And mama every week of the world, she polished that brass and it was just beautiful.
Interviewer:  No kidding. #1 I bet that it was pretty when that sheened. #
853:  #2 Yeah. # Well, I had one when we moved out here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We built that bathroom just like in that hall just like it is.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then that room was a living room.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  That my bed room, where we went a while ago.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Was a living room. And then we had the bedroom up back because that was a coolest room, and then that was a kitchen and dining room together.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  See. Well. Then of course as I told you measure we got richer,
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  We built this own.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. #1 This one the portraying thing that just one here? #
853:  #2 No, no. # Wasn't a thing And, but then when we built it, while we had a, wait a minute. Right there. We had a partition. And this was a bed room and that was a kitchen.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But About fifteen or eighteen years ago I added six feet out on that end of of the kitchen.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 Made it longer. # And I added six feet here and took this partition out and put that divider there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  To make this a dining kitchen together.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. Next to the nice, big open space. #
853:  #2 Um-hmm, um-hmm. #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And this is a big walk-in closet. That's the only closet in the house. You know when we built, the one that closet built, people didn't use to have closets.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, I see.
853:  They just had, they hung their clothes behind the doors.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. That seems so strange to me, but I guess it's a bit seems strange to have closet for people that didn't use to.
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Which do you like best, is it handier this way, or handier the other way?
853:  But that's, that's only closet I've got.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  I've got uh, that cedar wardrobe but you still have full it did
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then I have an old uh, wardrobe up yonder that has a hat place for the hats up this top.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And then it has three or four drawers here and then you have nothing hang here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And I use that in my spare bedroom.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. That's nice.
853:  So.
Interviewer:  Uh. What all kinds of uh cooking utensils did you use to have?
853:  We, mostly, we had um an old iron pot.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  You've seen it, legs, three legs
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Pots. Lid. And of course we had wood stove.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
853:  And you, sometimes you'd a- you'd have a pot that would, you could take that eye off of this stove and it set closer to the fire.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 See. #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  And then we had uh tin this tin boilers and tin pans to cook biscuit in.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We had a great big old {D: can moon?} And it hold out about hundred biscuits.
Interviewer:  My goodness. This make me hungry. {NW}
853:  Mama made biscuits everyday. I made biscuits everyday when we moved out here. And I, everybody else did. And we didn't have white bread when John and I married
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  And he had to carry much.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He worked down at the railroad shops
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  #1 And uh #
Interviewer:  #2 So he carried biscuits? #
853:  I put biscuits out, I put in, uh. He likes scrambled eggs and they would fix a sandwich, that's what you call it, biscuit sandwich better.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And we always raised our own meat.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Or bought it in big slabs.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I had to fry and I cut it so it fit in that biscuit.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  On top of his egg.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Salt and pepper.
Interviewer:  {X}
853:  And I'd make about three of that.
Interviewer:  That sounds good.
853:  And about two of preserves and jelly.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Something.
Interviewer:  Yeah, that sounds good.
853:  And I always had uh cake or pie.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  For his lunch.
Interviewer:  {D:Cram} hungry. {NW}
853:  And he never drank coffee, he didn't drink much, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh I didn't have fix anything. Now I, later on when he got to work in nights, Uh. I get out fix him a thermos of hot coffee.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah.
853:  But of course, we had live bread later on. But for years in after we married uh and I went to A and M first time, uh, I learned to make a yeast bread.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh. I made my own bread.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy. Is it hard?
853:  Oh, no, no, no. And I could make the life of a bread I, I made it. Oh, I sold it. I organized the farm women's market.
Interviewer:  No kidding.
853:  Yeah. And we had a, on north 18th.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Right off the Waco drive on right over in front of Sears on that corner there.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  About three or four years and there was about ten of us country women, I never had any uh, milk and butter, you know, 'cause John did couldn't milk. My daddy gave me a a heifer cow.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And I, milked her with the first cow.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And John disrupted every night he'd come in 'cause I had the milk and he couldn't milk.
Interviewer:  Why couldn't he milk?
853:  He'd, huh?
Interviewer:  Why couldn't he milk her?
853:  Well, he just never had milked and he just never did learn.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And he kept saying I'm not gonna learn.
Interviewer:  How fun.
853:  Those get rid of it, and we sold it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And you know what I did? I sold that cow and I got eighty-five dollars for and I gave ninety dollars for my uncle who had a furniture store in town for a rug for my living room.
Interviewer:  Great. Now that's how it go. That's great. Sell something and in, just about paying for something else.
853:  Right.
Interviewer:  I know.
853:  Sure did, and he told me, he said now Essie, I won't give you ten dollars off on that rug. {NW} And uh You can pay it out. And I said, no, I got my money. I'd better u- I'd better spend it.
Interviewer:  Pay it quick. {NW} Yeah. {NW} What did you uh, what did you all use to have to fry an egg in?
853:  Skillet, an old iron skillet. I still got it.
Interviewer:  Is that right? Ah.
853:  Heavy iron skillet. I've still got that old skillet and I I've got them somewhere I think they're just stored.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Stored. Uh. Old black iron uh muffin pans.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy.
853:  #1 I wouldn't #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} that the way it turn. #
853:  Oh, they do.
Interviewer:  {NW} Do you receive skillet's head three legs on it?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Did you receive skillet the head three legs on it?
853:  No. It's just don't have anything on the bottom.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Just a flat.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  You know. {NW}
Interviewer:  Um. #1 What's the difference between a frying pan and skillet? Are they the same thing or #
853:  #2 Yeah. # Right.
Interviewer:  Same thing?
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh-hmm. What, what did people use to have right be black thing that they would set out in the backyard and build a fire under and, and bore clothes in there?
853:  Yellow pot.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  Blue boiling pot.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Yeah. That's all we ever had.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Stand in poncho for thirty minute and then boiling.
Interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  Boil all over on that fire and when the boiled, when that water boil over here over that suds in it, you had homemade soap, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And it made lots of suds and when it would boil over, all that s- smoke and all that ashes would come up and set up right on your clothes.
Interviewer:  Ow. No! That's
853:  If you weren't real careful. It'd boil over on it.
Interviewer:  Uh, I don't know how you keep it from it because you'd have to control over the fire.
853:  Yeah, but you didn't uh, you didn't I pulled the fire out, I would never let it get that hot.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Just enough to keep it simmered around the edge.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  {D: I don't} I've seen people wear clothes that, that's black dirty.
Interviewer:  #1 From heaven that {X} #
853:  #2 I # Didn't do that We never wore our clothes like that. We never were allowed to. We kids and I can remember. Mama make us get in a tub of water every night of the world and uh bathe before you go to bed.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Get in that tub.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  And the boys had to bring the tub of water in there {X} you know.
Interviewer:  {NW} Yeah. {NW}
853:  Papa really made the boys wait on us girls.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He waited on mama hand and foot.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  She waited on him but,
Interviewer:  Yeah, well, works both ways.
853:  So- something that was a man's job, mama didn't do it other than work in the field.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  But you know why?
Interviewer:  Why?
853:  Papa told me one time. He was cute as a {X} Uh, he told me one time he said you know, uh, I just couldn't go to the field without mother.
Interviewer:  Oh, how sweet. {NW}
853:  I have to have her.
Interviewer:  That's nice.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  That's nice.
853:  He said I'd pick on her going keep her up with me.
Interviewer:  {NW} Funny.
853:  And you know. My brothers and I and sisters get together he- {NW} my house has always been head quarters.
Interviewer:  Oh. Is that right?
853:  Yeah, even before mama and papa died.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Mom was sick a long time.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I was there every day and waited on her, she, they lived in town.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I'd go down over the weekend and they'd come out here or not. {NW} Papa could drive, he was, he still had a car and everything {NW} and they'd come out here and stay all the night with us.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  But uh, we kids have talked about it since we've been older. Older, and uh {D: back year} those kind of things. I never heard my mother and daddy have a cross word.
Interviewer:  Is that right. That's
853:  I know they had them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But they didn't let us kids hear them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And you've seen men and women {NW} little old kids standing around, I had a sister that, he thrust and cursed and carried on her husband, and those kids just cried.
Interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  Daddy, please don't curse at mama.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Please don't curse at mama. I never heard my mother and daddy have a problem.
Interviewer:  That's great. That's good for the kids.
853:  That's wonderful.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  That's wonderful. Well, John and I never did.
Interviewer:  Yeah. My husband and I don't have children, but
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 It must be hard sometimes to back your tongue to lighter when you can say some. #
853:  #2 Yeah, you do, you do have children? #
Interviewer:  We don't have any children, huh.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  They have to wait until later to say I didn't like that. {NW}
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  You know.
853:  Well. Uh. They, I don't know why, but we never were allowed to fuss as kids were not allowed to Us kids were not #1 Allowed to #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right #
853:  No No. The first thing mama did. Papa said now listen that's enough. I don't want to hear another word in there. But the boys, we girls never hardly ever fought.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But mama, if the boys got to fussing, I don't care if they're nine feet tall, she called man made him hug and kiss. {NW} They killed them.
Interviewer:  I guess. #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Worst thing she could've done for it, weren't they? {NW}
853:  But uh And mama never uh She wore big old gathering apron tie around it and
Interviewer:  Um-hmm, um-hmm.
853:  And she adopted many of times, she says, all right, young lady. Come here. Come, here. I don't whatever be some little something, she just want to give us spank or what.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  She gave that up and she did this way, and we looked at her just scream.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  With the first holler, she quit.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  She couldn't heard us.
Interviewer:  {NW} That's funny.
853:  But you know, my daddy never hit me a little.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Never. I thought about that lot of times, just wanted my family didn't hate me.
Interviewer:  Why?
853:  'Cause I was the only one that he never did it with.
Interviewer:  Oh. {NW} You're right.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  There's the one that they don't hate you. {NW}
853:  But I'll tell you #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You must had it ramped around your little finger. #
853:  I don't know why. But he was a, if there was any partiality showing he did it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I used to have a leg egg. And with the first holler ma-ma. Papa come out of that bed, I don't care which one it was. He come out of that bed and he got him on his lap and {NW} he rocked us kids If we had feet dragging on the floor.
Interviewer:  My, goodness. That's nice.
853:  And uh I sat in his lap and mama grabbed my legs.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Oh, that's great.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  That's funny. We know it now , not me- not very many fathers would get up and
853:  No they don't Uh-uh. Oh, listen. You let one of us kids get sick and he would enter {X}
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  And then the day, the day my baby was born, she's born in that room of the under.
Interviewer:  Is that right? He would {NS} in advance.
853:  They lived uh He was overseer, three farms out this way. And here we come. He'd been all the way to town in a buggy. They don't sold their car and the buggy, And he got, uh. Some steak. And I don't want all he brought me to eat. And I couldn't eat a bite of my life and spend it that night. But anyway, he brought it. And mama cooked it. She stayed with me. {NW}
Interviewer:  Did you ever get any of them to eat? Or did everybody else have to eat it?
853:  #1 Did I ever get what I #
Interviewer:  #2 Did, did you ever get the, that steak? Or do you #
853:  #1 Oh, yes. That day. #
Interviewer:  #2 Did they # Oh, that's good.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Didn't take you long, did it?
853:  Yeah. The next day was all right. But I liked to bite and anyway, I didn't want to eat.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I guess.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well, um. When you set the table, what are the you put on table when you set the table for dinner?
853:  The uh, back in those days?
Interviewer:  Well.
853:  Now?
Interviewer:  Now.
853:  Anytime. Where you put the plate, knife and fork? And ice tea spoon uh, spoon.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. If you're gonna have steak you might also put what on the table?
853:  Salad of what?
Interviewer:  #1 You're gonna have steak, you might also #
853:  #2 Yeah, yeah, but # You know, use steak knives and
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. #1 Think that. #
853:  #2 Um-hmm. #
Interviewer:  Um.
853:  And a salad fork, you know if you have your #1 Salad separate. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Um. What do you call that thing that you put on the uh, on the stove that you boil water to make tea in? {D}
853:  Stewer. Stewer, little stew pan?
Interviewer:  Um. Okay. Or sometimes just a little thing with a handle of spout?
853:  Tea kettle.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW} Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call that white thing right here that you put flowers in?
853:  "Vase" or a "vase". {C: pronunciation} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. Which one do you say? #
853:  I say "vase".
Interviewer:  Okay. You know any vase as vase?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Do you know anybody who says vase?
853:  Yes, sir.
Interviewer:  You do?
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  People around you saying that?
853:  Ah. Yeah, there's much out of places I would been to say it.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  That is, that really is stupid.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  Now that's all right in England.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I, I
853:  But you couldn't make me believe in a thousand years anybody born and raised in Wichita Falls or or in Arkansas will say "vase".
Interviewer:  I know. {NW} I agree. {NW} That's true.
853:  They're putting on.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too. Uh. After woman washes the dishes then she does what with them in clear water?
853:  They rinse them?
Interviewer:  Okay. Or, if she just dips them in, then you say?
853:  Rinsed them?
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. What do you call that cloth or rag that you use to wash the dishes?
853:  A what?
Interviewer:  A cloth or rag that you use for washing dishes. What do you call that?
853:  Ss-
Interviewer:  Put the put the soap on, you know, wash the dishes, what do you call that thing that you use?
853:  The soapy rag?
Interviewer:  Uh Okay, or You, you usually have it clean fold it up and put in a drawer. You say, reach down there and get a clean
853:  Cup towel.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. That, you use that {D: cup tale} to dry or wash- #
853:  #2 Dry them. #
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh-hmm. What do you call that little square of terry cloth that you use to bathe your face?
853:  Wash rag.
Interviewer:  Okay. That's where I {D:put in.} Um. If you want to just to get some water to drink, you would probably go into the kitchen and turn on the?
853:  Faucet.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. Or if it's out- #
853:  #2 Or hydrant. #
Interviewer:  Okay, so the same thing?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. What if it's out in the backyard, what would you call it?
853:  Same thing.
Interviewer:  Okay. Either one? Faucet or hydrant?
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. What if it's on a big portable water can? This, this big. What, then what you call it?
853:  Well it's still a {NW} Well, now, {NW} I I know locales that they call it spicket.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. Did, did they
853:  But I'd still stay turn on the hydrant or turn on the faucet.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Anybody in your family ever say spigot?
853:  My brother did.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  But he uh He left home with a family of friends of ours and went to Dallas to work up there for him. And then from that he went to work on the railroad and he worked for many years in Canada.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And then Montana and Portland, Oregon. And he called it spigot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, I see. Okay.
853:  He just laughed as us.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I said laugh-? You're the one who is comical, You're putting on.
Interviewer:  {NW} You know, you didn't raise like that. {NW} What did he say?
853:  He'd say, oh, no I learned that from proper-talking people.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And he make fun of us, you know, and often laugh at us.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. Uh. What did uh, what did molasses use to come in, when people used to buy fairly large quantity?
853:  Well, they send it small to large barrows.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um. If you had a salt box and the salt box didn't have uh any spout, did you have to get things {NS} shape like that?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What would you call this thing?
853:  You'd-
Interviewer:  Pour salt.
853:  Funnel?
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Funnel?
Interviewer:  Okay. Ah. Let me see.
853:  Isn't it funny, I nearly forgot that.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  What a fun of us, of course.
Interviewer:  Well, you know the most, the most common thing sometimes, #1 if you #
853:  #2 It's hard to think. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. If you, if you're not using more than sometime, you don't think about what the #
853:  #2 You know, I've got # Two or three in a little drawer over there that I use sometimes to fill up bottles
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh, uh-huh. #
853:  #2 with or # something.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. Ah, what did you use to urge your horses to go faster when your-
853:  Whip.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. If you bought some groceries at the grocery store, the checker would put them in a
853:  Sack?
Interviewer:  Okay, what would that be made out of?
853:  Paper bag?
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Uh. How would you bag, buy a Well, what would fifty pounds of flower come in?
853:  Usually in a flour sack.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  What we use to call flour sack.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um.
853:  And it was cloth.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Was it a pretty nice cloth?
853:  Uh-huh. Made good cup towels.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  That's the only cup towels we had.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay.
853:  Uh-huh. And my mo- my mother used to make my brothers' underwear out them.
Interviewer:  Is that right? {NW} Was it soft enough?
853:  Yes, sir.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Sure.
Interviewer:  What would you, what do you call that thing that potatoes are shipped in? {D: Sackro} bag that the potatoes were shipped in. What do you call that?
853:  Tow sack?
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  That's different from flower sack, huh?
853:  Yes.
Interviewer:  How is it different?
853:  Well, it's an old brown, uh some call it croaker sack.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it's a more like this stuff.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh. Kind of a loose weaves stuff. #
853:  #2 Uh-huh, uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Ah. {NW} What would you call the amount of corn that you might take to the mill one time to be ground?
853:  Ah, you'd say bushel.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um. You might say that wagon didn't have a full load, it just had a
853:  Half a load?
Interviewer:  Okay. Is that the same as a jag?
853:  Ah, yeah. You know th- there's no such a thing, you j- you, that's a slang.
Interviewer:  What, jag is?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Oh. Okay. Well, the jag mean half load or?
853:  Oh, just made it a little dab.
Interviewer:  Oh-
853:  Just had a jag of little jag, just uh
Interviewer:  Oh, I see. Okay, okay. Uh. When the light burns out in electric plant, we have to screw in a new
853:  Bulb.
Interviewer:  Okay, or if you're gonna use two words, you'd say new-
853:  Light bulb?
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Ah. If you carry out washing the hanging up on the line, you carry out in a
853:  Basket.
Interviewer:  Okay. And
853:  Bubble basket.
Interviewer:  What did nails come in usually?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  What did nails come in usually?
853:  Well, they come in different things. They would come in a paper bag, nails.
Interviewer:  Yeah, uh-huh. What if you get a whole bunch?
853:  Well. I don't know. I guess they come in a big, just a big sack.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  He was connected down at Baylor someway, he went to Baylor
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And she said that he told him, he said that if you wanna know anything about McClone county, you go see ms Terrol.
Interviewer:  I
853:  #1 They #
Interviewer:  #2 They have more than one person showing up down here to talk to you. # {NW}
853:  I said now listen. You better make tracks right back down there
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  You threatened her?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Well, what, what has he connected with Baylor do you?
853:  I don't have not. Not much.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But he just knew somebody down there that went to some kind of reading club or some study club that he goes to.
Interviewer:  I see.
853:  I don't know what. But he's always bringing me a whole mess of stuff.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  To read.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 He's just a friend, is that #
853:  #2 Yeah. # Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Well, let's see where it was here.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  {NW} I didn't put on a ho- Well I had on hose {NW} I, yesterday, I went to the store.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I don't go anywhere without hose.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  So I put on hose when I came back, well of course I didn't take them off.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I never do.
Interviewer:  Well, that's one thing that I like it wearing pants, is that I don't have to wear a hose.
853:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 I just hate to wear a hose, ah, hate them, hate them. # 'Cause I can't wear them ten minutes for that for that getting runner. You know it, some people can wear pear of hose for weeks-
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  And be fine, but not me.
853:  Well now you see I'm having a cripple foot. And I wear a little ash bandage nearly all the time.
Interviewer:  Oh, is that right?
853:  Uh-huh. How-
Interviewer:  What did you do to it?
853:  Well, I just fell and broke it and all the bones came out and I had gangrenes.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  I was in a hospital and on crutches to over two years.
Interviewer:  My goodness.
853:  And uh, I've been cripple for twenty-six. So uh, and it, you see, it began to swell.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm. I see that.
853:  And by night it'll just be really high. And, then I can't highly walk, and it's, it's, I can move it that way a little.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But up and down, um.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I see.
853:  And uh. But anyway, I put on my hose with that ash bandage on, I can't walk much without it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I can't pull up my hose or keep them straight, say my life with that snag in them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Oh my little pins.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  I, I come with
853:  you know,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  This can't do things.
Interviewer:  Those little metal gives most. Maybe you should look for one with the plastic. I think I've seen them with plastic #1 things they spend- #
853:  #2 Well # Mine's metal
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What, wha- how did you fall when you
853:  I just stood up and start to step over a little grass. I was working in my flower garden out there, I had everything.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Out that in that fifteen foot between me and the other.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that right. #
853:  #2 On the other side of my drive. # And uh I had a friend that ran a sandwich shop in Bellmead.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And another friend that helped her. And so I really wanted to go to California to see her son.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  She said get a assist to help you while I'm gone. {X} And so she was late and I was out there pulling grass out of that thing and I saw her coming and she always stopped at the front and I wanted her stop at the drive
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I started to step over my foot, this foot did that and this one went back.
Interviewer:  Ooh.
853:  I wasn't fat then, I've been fat as I am now when I had a leg with it. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
853:  #2 Sit down on it. #
Interviewer:  Is it bone sticking it out with
853:  Oh yes I had on hose and they just sticking out then I couldn't tell what that was. {NW} Of course I was excited.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I think I would be little excited myself.
853:  And every bone was sticking out of that hole and I had gangrene by the time that I got to the hospital.
Interviewer:  No kidding.
853:  Lawrence came in and called ambulance and {NW} doctor came and {NW} It's funny to say, nurses, doctors, Marphey, Your pants are unzipped and your shirt tail was sticking it out. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
853:  He got up in a hurry.
Interviewer:  #1 I guess you #
853:  #2 Ew ew. # It was just good day back.
Interviewer:  Um. Yeah, just, just barely {D: wanted}.
853:  But he uh left town, he forgot to tell them to give me penicillin.
Interviewer:  {NS}
853:  I had gangrene the time I got back there he say it.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  But anyway, he's son was graduating in medical school and he was going somewhere we have not.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And he left and And the other doctor didn't do nothing.
Interviewer:  Well, did it get worse then?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Did it, you got a lot worse?
853:  Oh, I liked to die, they for three weeks, they were waiting for me to see whether I was gonna live or die to take my leg off.
Interviewer:  Oh, that's terrible. But they didn't have to do either one. {D}
853:  Oh, it was terrible. For two years I, I go way up here and get all that dead flesh and that
Interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  And my stomach turned black, it was funny thing.
Interviewer:  That's strange, I never heard such thing.
853:  Oh, I had gangrene all over, you know, and I said oh, lord, oh, mercy, and wherever I'd rub it would turn black. Just barely. The way on my #1 Even my arm #
Interviewer:  #2 I bet you were scared. #
853:  Scared? When I heard them, nurses talking, one of them she was real sweet. And uh, she come on that {D} and she'd say, the doctor, the doctors have another doctor called in another doctor that and there's a doctor still think that they'll gonna have to take Ms. Terrell's leg off. I told him later on, I said, if I would have had my crutches, I'd jump to him.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  When I'm out of there.
Interviewer:  Running out of the hospital rim.
853:  But I was in there fourteen weeks. And I came home and stayed about a month and it wouldn't heal. Went back then for skin graft.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I got a new infection that night in food poising. #1 Then I #
Interviewer:  #2 You have the worst luck than anybody that I've ever heard. #
853:  And I stayed five weeks longer.
Interviewer:  #1 That is incredible. Food poisoning from food in the hospital? #
853:  #2 And he looked # At me that morning and when I was vomiting my head off and you know diarrhea. He said I know what I do, I'll just sue the age out of this hospital.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  It was me that, I just took one bite. And I didn't swallow all of it, I
Interviewer:  #1 That must be really #
853:  #2 Terrible. # Terrible.
Interviewer:  What was the matter with it?
853:  It was spoiled and I my daughter was sitting there, she didn't leave that night for several days, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  About three weeks,
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  before I got better enough that the gangrene had subsided. And I said baby, I believe this meat's spoiled. I was eating asparagus and I didn't like asparagus.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  and I thought that might be it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And she smelled {X} she said, why of course mother, it's rotten.
Interviewer:  Ugh. That just makes me sick. Thank god. That's the scariest thing.
853:  In a hospital.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Think of it.
Interviewer:  Really. We're suppose to go to get well. {NW}
853:  {NW} I liked to die. About three weeks, I was real sick. And then I began to get better and I stayed five weeks, came home, I was on crutches and then, in out of the doctor's office over two years.
Interviewer:  That's terrible. That's really awful.
853:  And I've been a crippling ever since.
Interviewer:  All started when you trying to get up fast in there and tripping over something.
853:  Um-hmm. Now, I just see, I just stepped all this here was my flower bed and this little strip of grass over here and then the drive.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I started to step, it was dew wet that morning.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I imagine I had own house shoes at home and
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  And I started to step over and my heel touched that wet.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And this one slipped
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  and this one went back and I sat down on it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Oh.
853:  Crushed it.
Interviewer:  Oh, that just makes me sick. {D}
853:  It was something to see, you should've seen it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Then doctor looked at it one, excuse me, I've gotten a hospital and he says, well, my god, what did you do?
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And I wasn't fat, and I said all two hundred pounds, I sat down on it. {NW} I guess I weighted one hundred and twenty five-eighty.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I have no idea, I didn't weigh very much {NW} But you know, for two years, I couldn't, well I did keep my house.
Interviewer:  And
853:  On crutches
Interviewer:  That's really
853:  But uh I didn't do any work much to work it off, you know and I ate. John was working nights and but uh I stayed with my daughter till they had one little girl. And she got curvature of the spine. And she hasn't have eight fused. And had to have back out bridged.
Interviewer:  {NW} Damn.
853:  And uh so when they brought her back, she had to have a swivel. and I stayed down there night or two after that and I come home. I said no, I could get up and get around on crutches. And I'm not gonna stay here, you got your hands full of. I won't go home and daddy sleeps at home and I have all day to fix meal and I'll have him ready when he gets up.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  And I stayed by myself. At then I had at night, I stayed by myself
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Did that child get to get alright? The child?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  Did the child get alright?
853:  She's not straight but she never complained and never did.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  But she liked her dad point her baby came.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Because her pelvis was so twisted.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And he came to soon. I guess he came about three weeks, four weeks. Three or four weeks ahead of time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh. She lived in commerce and her mom lives in Timbercrest. And we went that morning and she had, she was in a labor, three days and nights terrible.
Interviewer:  Um.
853:  And uh her doctor was out of town, couldn't get a hold of it.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh, worse. #
853:  #2 {D} near time. #
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  And when that baby was born, he'd been wedged down in there, he was as black as he could be and his face were wedged in that pelvis. He was, it was wedged in that pelvis, face was all crooked. And I just knew he'd been so long to be inborn and it wouldn't have good mind.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But If there were was a brilliant child he's born {X}
Interviewer:  Is that right? {NW}
853:  He's fourteen.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Oh, he's a fourteen year old?
853:  He's fourteen.
Interviewer:  Is his face still crooken?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Is his face still crooken?
853:  Oh, goodness. He's a handsome.
Interviewer:  #1 Isn't that right? #
853:  #2 Beautiful child. #
Interviewer:  #1 That's remarkable. #
853:  #2 Beautiful, beautiful boy. # It's remarkable. You'd think I was his mama.
Interviewer:  {NW} He is good looking. {NW} Looks healthy, too.
853:  {X}