853:  You'd get scared, I promise {X} {NW}
interviewer:  {NW} {NS} There we go. I think that's {NS} work this time. Yeah. There we go. Okay. What do you call those things that uh that on barrel that run around
853:  {D: Hook.}
interviewer:  Okay. Um and what do you call that thing that you put on the top of the bottle? Keep the stuff from spilling out.
853:  Stopper.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. Anything else you put in?
853:  No.
interviewer:  What's the stopper made out of usually?
853:  A cork.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Anything else? Could it be made out of anything else?
853:  Well. If yeah I've seen some white plastic corks we'd uh still call 'em cork or stopper.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  What do you call little musical instrument that children play like this?
853:  {D: French harp.}
interviewer:  Okay. And another musical instrument that you
853:  Jew's harp.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Yeah. You pound a nail in with
853:  Hammer.
interviewer:  Okay. And If you have a wagon and two horses, what do you call that piece of wood that goes between the horses? #1 horses? #
853:  #2 Tongue. #
interviewer:  Okay. And if you have a horse pulling a buggy, you have to back him in between the
853:  Shavs.
interviewer:  Okay. Um. On a wagon wheel on inside we got the hub and the spokes go out and the outside, what do you call that?
853:  The rim.
interviewer:  Okay. Is that metal or wood?
853:  It's metal.
interviewer:  Okay-
853:  Both.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It usually it has a sometimes and then there has a metal thing on there to wear well you know.
interviewer:  I see, okay. Would you call it all the rim?
853:  Yeah rim.
interviewer:  Okay. Um. When a horse is hitched to the wagon uh the traces come back, it fastens on his bar wood
853:  Tongue.
interviewer:  Um this one is like just this have one horse. And this bar went like his wagon, here's the horse that probably go this way between that
853:  Eh singletree.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. What if you have two horses and, and you have bar oh a singletree behind each one and then another bar of wood behind them, what do you call the bigger one?
853:  It's still a singletree.
interviewer:  #1 Is it? Okay. #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. #
interviewer:  Um Uh, if a guy had, um He was picking up some woods some place and loading up in his wagon, you know and carry it some place and dump it in your back and get back some more and carry it some place and dump it in, go and get some more, what would you say he was doing that wood?
853:  Stocking it.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  W- or racking it. Sometimes they would say well I got to rack that wood up so's it'll won't be scattered, you know.
interviewer:  Okay. Um
853:  But you know you they usually put it in cords.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  It's stack a cord and then they'll start another stack.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. How much is the cord?
853:  Oh mercy. I don't know.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {D: I didn't know.} I really don't know.
interviewer:  Um
853:  It has a dimension you know. So fine so long.
interviewer:  Yeah yeah.
853:  {X} long ways are in their pieces you know.
interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  But I really don't know.
interviewer:  {X} We got a half of cord of wood one time and just a lot of wood to me, you know.
853:  Mm-hmm
interviewer:  Um when a man brings you some wood, you'd say well, he's gonna have to do what to the wood to give in?
853:  Sort of make it in chunks.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um. Suppose that a tree fell down across the road and you'll gonna have to get out of the way so you can get by, so you, you might attach the big chain to the tree and pull on the chain, and, and do what to get, to the tree to get out of the road?
853:  I guess you'd just say well you got to move it or.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. Uh. {NW} Let's see. After you have plowed, um. A lot of times they go back and break up the ground {D: finer}. #1 You know after it's plowed. #
853:  #2 Uh-huh. # Disk it.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh Is there another name for that besides just a disk? A disk?
853:  Harrow.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um. On a car, there's wheel on a wagon each one, there's a bar that runs underneath it, that the wheels fit on to. What do you call it?
853:  Axle.
interviewer:  Okay. Um What would you call an egg shape frame that you lay a log on to, to chop it up into stove lengths?
853:  I don't know.
interviewer:  Okay. What about an an A shape frame, it's a little bit smaller and um carpenters use them and
853:  Horses. Saw horses.
interviewer:  Okay. And you fix your hair with a comb and a
853:  Brush.
interviewer:  A what?
853:  Brush.
interviewer:  Okay. #1 And #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  You sharpen an old fashioned straight razor on a leather?
853:  Strap.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Razor. R- actually, it's l- razor strop.
interviewer:  #1 Oh, what, is that where you suppose to #
853:  #2 It's, T-R- # O-P.
interviewer:  #1 Oh, is that the way you? #
853:  #2 You # strop it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Is that the way you're suppose to say it?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh Well, see. Oh. If someone was firing a a, a shotgun in and you know when they get through firing and they throw out this empty things, what do you call those empty things?
853:  Shells.
interviewer:  Okay. Is there another words you might use besides shells? That mean the same thing?
853:  No. Not that I know of you you eject those uh shells empty shells or expend it or use shells.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Uh did your husband ever hunt?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  Did your husband ever hunt?
853:  Oh mercy. Yes.
interviewer:  Oh really?
853:  I did too.
interviewer:  You did?
853:  I used to kill wild turkey.
interviewer:  No kidding. #1 Was it fun? #
853:  #2 And deer hunting. # Oh yes. I love it.
interviewer:  How neat. #1 I've always wanted to go hunting. #
853:  #2 I # killed wild turkey on the wing they'd be they soar just like a buzzard.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know.
interviewer:  I don't think I ever seen the wild turkey {D: to know it.}
853:  And I kill one and it hit the side of the mountain and drop back in to the creek.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And John waded out {D: crossed it} and got it.
interviewer:  Yeah. Where were you?
853:  Way down at what we call Leakey. Way down in south Texas.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Leakey. Beautiful place we put up a tent wake up of morning you could reach up and get the s- ice off of the tent #1 inside. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # Oh neat. {NW}
853:  But you had on long underwear.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {D: Rolling clothes.}
interviewer:  Yeah. Did you cook out there?
853:  Yeah oh yes. And I killed a turkey and the boys have gone hunt there out. We didn't go. My sister and I didn't go that morning. And uh I cut that thing up like a fryer. And fried it in a big old skillet.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And then I uh I tried piece by you know, all it would {D: hold} and then I s- stacked it up in there and I put a little water in there and I covered it. It made the best gravy and the best turkey you ever ate.
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  But we course had no dressing you know I no oven or anything to make dressing.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah, can you {X}.
853:  They didn't know what in the world they's gonna have for supper.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And sure enough honey where did you get that turkey? Well, that was a first for my kid.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh my sister when she was little. She was ten years younger than me. She always called me miss Essie. She does today.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And she's seventy-five years old.
interviewer:  Is that right? {NW}
853:  No, not that old but she's seventy-one or two. {D: She's a lot littler than} ten years. {D: I don't know.} But anyway {NW} they like to died when they found out I'd killed that turkey.
interviewer:  I guess.
853:  They that we had a My brother's brother-in-law went with us with his wife and my brother and his wife came later. But anyway Jack didn't believe it. He said I never saw a woman yet that kill a wild turkey.
interviewer:  {NW} Uh-huh and now he's seen it #1 huh? #
853:  #2 Yeah. # But I killed another one after that.
interviewer:  #1 Is that right? #
853:  #2 He saw it. #
interviewer:  Uh-huh. What uh should've been a shotgun, I guess.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Of course it had a buck shot in it.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Because they you couldn't get close to 'em.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It'd be way up in a tree maybe {NW} early in the morning. And they'd start that gobbling. #1 Just like #
interviewer:  #2 Huh. #
853:  a turkey.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And if they saw you they took off. And then that's when you had {D: do you shoot.}
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. How big are they?
853:  Ooh. Big as a turkey.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Average turkey. Went way across the pasture. And you'd see droves of 'em. Maybe there'd be twenty-five or thirty.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And they'd always walk right behind one another.
interviewer:  {NW} Crazy.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  I, it's amazing to me because things can fly being that big.
853:  {D: But you know.}
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  They fly much but of course you know uh tame turkey don't fly much.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  They fly off a barn and go out you know or fly up in a tree. But they don't can't soar. {NW} Go for mile.
interviewer:  Hmm. I see. I guess they won't soar well. Um What would you call piece of, piece of playground equipment equipment where a kid gets on one end and a kid gets on the other and they go up and down like
853:  Seesaw?
interviewer:  Okay. And if you saw some kids over there doing that you'd say hey look at those kids, they're? What would you say they're doing?
853:  Seesawing?
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Uh # uh-huh.
interviewer:  Um What would you call um another piece of playground equipment where you got a board like this and it's fixed it both ends and it's, you know, it's fixed down to the ground. And there's kind of limber in the middle of it, kid can get on the middle and jump up and down on it. Have you seen one of those?
853:  Well, that's kind of like a you buy those things. Mm. Spring board.
interviewer:  Huh. Okay. #1 Did you ever seen one like this that is homemade? #
853:  #2 Yes. Indeed. # Uh-huh.
interviewer:  Oh. What, uh, did you ever see another thing that was that's got a board like this long and it's fixed in the middle and then kid can get on each end and they go around the ramp like #1 that. #
853:  #2 mm-hmm #
interviewer:  A homemade thing, what do you call that?
853:  I guess a merry go round I think.
interviewer:  Okay. Um And if you you put a rope over tree limb and, and attach a a tie, a tire to it. Then what have you got?
853:  A swing.
interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Um What did people use to carry coal in?
853:  Scuttle.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  They're coming a quite popular again.
interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  Uh-huh. They are using 'em for many things in antiques. Uh now my daughter sold 'em for a hundred and fifty-two hundred dollars and they had the rustiest awfulest looking things you ever saw.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the people have gone crazy.
interviewer:  Goodness.
853:  And they all put their umbrella in the corner of a hall like you know
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  stand an umbrella in there.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. Where where is her antique shop, is it near Waco?
853:  It's uh out on La Salle, you know where the circle is?
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well, it's just {D: four it it} you live here. You'd go around down to near the end of Waco and then you'd go down and go up on {D: go around La Salle.}
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it's just before you get to the circle on the right.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Um.
853:  She's got some beautiful stuff in there. {D: Blind swear.}
interviewer:  Where did she get, she buy it from?
853:  #1 Huh? #
interviewer:  #2 Well where did # where did she get that stuff?
853:  Well uh. She has a woman that keeps the shop on Sunday. I thought sure that they wasn't go keep it open on Sunday #1 but they #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
853:  do. And this ms Williams that called me yesterday she's retired {D: or in.} uh She takes care of it on Sunday.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They go to auctions.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Now, Centerville up way over east Texas
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  is one of the biggest antique centers. It's bigger than even Dallas has.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  They went to Dallas {X} I think they bought about twelve straight chair dining chairs.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  They had some tables. And uh, they had a a man was gonna buy his daughter a table and six chairs.
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  And he gave twelve hundred and some odd dollars for that old round table and
interviewer:  #1 My goodness. #
853:  #2 six # chairs for her. She just got married.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see.
853:  And he's blind.
interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  He couldn't see. And {D: Dink} was telling me about he delivered 'em for him.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They don't deliver. But he said since he was blind and getting old, he said he promised him {D: move there}.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He said yeah I'll I'll bring 'em to you. They have a station wagon.
interviewer:  Yeah. That was nice.
853:  Took that table apart.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Took it to him. Put it up for him.
interviewer:  That was nice. He didn't need to do that.
853:  Hmm?
interviewer:  That was nice. He didn't really have to do #1 that. #
853:  #2 No. # No. No. But he said I he wanted to.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  What do you call um that thing that runs from the stove to the chimney?
853:  Stove pipe.
interviewer:  Okay. What's a difference between the flue and stove pipe?
853:  Oh a flue is built from the bottom up through the wall.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then you have an opening in your wall that your stove pipe goes into that flue then from there on up, it carries the smoke and soot.
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  You know.
interviewer:  I see.
853:  Out into the open.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh. What do you call little vehicle that has one wheel usually and you push it? #1 {X} #
853:  #2 Wheelbarrow. #
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  And
853:  You going {X} ones sooner or later #1 that I #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  don't know.
interviewer:  Haven't hit one yet. Uh. What do you carve uh sharpen a pocket knife on? Oh.
853:  You whet it.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 On a # whet rock.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  Or a a yeah that's what you'd call it. A whet rock.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh What do you call a bigger kind that you have to pump and it turns #1 around and #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  #1 when you hold it? #
853:  #2 That's a # uh Well I declare. Grind stone.
interviewer:  I thought that was gonna be the one. {NW} Um if something is squeaking in your car you go and have 'em some real heavy sticky stuff in it. What do you?
853:  Lube oil.
interviewer:  #1 Okay or? #
853:  #2 Or # no you you thinking about axle grease.
interviewer:  Oh okay. Okay. Uh, and so if you're gonna have to go and have that stuff put in the car, you said I'm gonna have to have the car?
853:  Uh oil drained.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh
853:  Greased.
interviewer:  Okay. And if if that stuff got all over your hands you'd say your hands are all?
853:  S- Gooey. {NW}
interviewer:  Okay. All right. What's another word you might use besides gooey means the same thing sort of?
853:  Sticky.
interviewer:  All right. Um if you had grease on your hands your ha- you'd say your hands are all?
853:  Greasy.
interviewer:  Okay. Yeah. Uh. {NW} Did you ever see people make a a make shift kind of lamp with a bottle of some kerosene in a rag stuff down #1 in it? #
853:  #2 Hmm-mm. #
interviewer:  What do they call that?
853:  Uh well it's just a a It's kind of like a uh candle you know.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. Uh. Toothpaste comes in a?
853:  Tube.
interviewer:  Okay. And it's um uh people have just built a boat and they are fixing and pushing out into the water for the first time, you say they're fixing to?
853:  Launch the boat.
interviewer:  Okay. Um what kind of a boat would you go fishing in a small lake?
853:  Just a s- a paddle boat.
interviewer:  Okay. #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Just # little skiff like you know. #1 know. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Well does it have a pointed end at uh both ends or is it just a pointed at one #1 end? #
853:  #2 It's # it's straight across one end and rounds up to a point see? Kinda like this.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  Haven't you seen 'em?
interviewer:  I guess I have but you know my home town we don't have any water. {NW} There ain't any water for miles.
853:  At lake uh at lake Wichita's pretty good.
interviewer:  Well. Yeah there are some people who
853:  But they don't do like they do out here at the lake do they?
interviewer:  #1 No, huh-uh. #
853:  #2 It will have #
interviewer:  It's not pretty for #1 one thing. #
853:  #2 No. # Well you see they you pull up the string here and you sit here.
interviewer:  In the back?
853:  Uh-huh. And then it runs to a point and then you have another seat in the middle.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see.
853:  It'll carry uh I'd say four. Good.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Not often that you have one that sits w- on the seat back here. but one I mean.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. I see.
853:  But that's the back end.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And that uh makes a little weight and that keeps up front end out of the water and it skips through #1 easy. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh # I see yeah. That's enough fit to sit in the back. Now I just don't know much about boats cuz lake Wichita is uh It's so brown and ugly that
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Not much of anybody goes out there. Well I guess something to do there. #1 There's some houses and #
853:  #2 We always # had a boat. Our land bordered on both sides of the river.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Brazos.
interviewer:  Yeah. I think that'd be nice cuz that's pretty #1 out there. #
853:  #2 Uh-huh. #
interviewer:  That's real pretty.
853:  And we uh always had a boat. The boys and papa would fish. We always went from Chalk Bluff and Bosqueville up to Aquilla. All up close to Hillsboro.
interviewer:  Oh. That far?
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  That's a good #1 ways. #
853:  #2 We'd go up # there and we'd camp for a week when they laid the crops by.
interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  {D: And step} the whole family. Uh as I said my daddy didn't go nowhere without my mother.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And {C: laughing} but uh
interviewer:  That must have been fun. #1 Just take all of the kids. #
853:  #2 Oh it was delightful # and then course we could gather up all the kids in the community that their daddies didn't fish and
interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
853:  #2 wouldn't # take the boys hunting. Papa got the boys a gun. He taught all the boys how to hunt and uh he'd show 'em what to kill and what not to kill.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 And he'd # uh, take that {X} I guess. {NW}
interviewer:  Oh, it did! Didn't #1 it? #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  Does that happen very often?
853:  I don't know.
interviewer:  Huh. Well.
853:  Isn't that something?
interviewer:  Yeah. You know recently my uh my parents electricity went out in their house and what happened no it was the phone. The phone went out and what happened was somebody was they were doing some construction work and they hit one of the main phone lines from like a quarter of Wichita Falls and
853:  Mm.
interviewer:  You know one fourth of the city, everybody's phone's {D: brown}. {NW} {NW} Somebody, mother's neighbor came over to use her phone.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  And said you know she wanted to report her own phone is is uh dead and mother's phone was out too, mother didn't even know.
853:  {D: Well.}
interviewer:  Uh. Let's see. Oh. If a woman wants to buy a dress of a certain color, a lot of times she'd take along a little square cloth to use as a?
853:  Gusset?
interviewer:  What's what's a #1 gusset? #
853:  #2 Where'd # she put it?
interviewer:  Well, she just take it so she can match the color.
853:  Oh yeah a swathe.
interviewer:  Okay okay. Um. Sometimes in the mail, you'll get a a little tube of toothpaste or little bar of soap as a?
853:  Sample.
interviewer:  Okay. Um. If a girl, a little girl has on very becoming dress, you might say, my what a? What dress?
853:  Becoming or pretty?
interviewer:  Okay okay. And the little girl might say, Susie's dress is pretty but mine is even? What?
853:  And mine is what?
interviewer:  Susie's dress is pretty, but mine is even?
853:  Prettier.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Uh. To sign your name in ink you use a?
853:  Pen.
interviewer:  Okay. And hold the baby's diaper in place, you use a
853:  Safety pin.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Or diaper pin.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Except they don't anymore, they stick 'em.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  {X} #1 those paper that #
853:  #2 Right {X} # that's right.
interviewer:  {D: You don't have to worry about the pins.} Um. Soup that you buy comes in a
853:  Can.
interviewer:  What kind of can?
853:  Tin.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh. A dime is worth?
853:  Five penny I mean ten pennies of course.
interviewer:  Okay. And um describe forming what all a man would wear to church on Sunday.
853:  Well mine get up at one and he shave and he'd uh put on a shirt. And put on his trousers.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Socks. And his good shoes. And either a sport jacket or the coat that went to his suit.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Sometimes if you have a three-piece suit that?
853:  Yeah a vest.
interviewer:  Okay. I think those look nice.
853:  He in the winter time he thought he had to have a suit or the vest.
interviewer:  Uh-huh uh-huh.
853:  But of course they quit wearing 'em you know for while.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 But they're # coming back.
interviewer:  Oh yeah.
853:  #1 Real opulent. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # {X} I just think it looks so good.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  I like that. Uh if a, if a man was working out in the barn and doing dirty work, what would he probably wear?
853:  Overalls.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh. You might say, that coat won't fit this year but last year it?
853:  Fit.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {D: mm-hmm.}
interviewer:  And say you just bought a soup, so then it would be not an old soup, but a?
853:  New.
interviewer:  Okay. And then what?
853:  New soup.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  And if you stuff a lot things in your pockets, your pockets stick out or?
853:  #1 Bulge. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Uh you might say this shirt, this shirt isn't sanforized, I hope it won't?
853:  Shrink.
interviewer:  Okay. I have a friend who who threw a sweater in the in the dryer and she didn't look to and it said you know do not #1 put the dryer. #
853:  #2 No with the # heat.
interviewer:  She said she got it out, looked like a little doll's sweater.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  {NW} Have you ever done that?
853:  No I never did. Uh. I nearly always and I do yet, when I had a washer and dryer.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I gave mine to a woman that had five kids, I thought she needed it worse than I did.
interviewer:  I think so. {NW}
853:  And she wasn't very well.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh I had access to the washer here right here close by.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And I said, I'll just send my sheets and {D: pillowcases} to the laundry and I do my own hand washing.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah yeah.
853:  And that way you don't get too hot of water. #1 and #
interviewer:  #2 That's # right and you don't have to worry about throwing things in the dryer.
853:  No.
interviewer:  Yeah. My husband is I talked to him last night, he just gone to Penny's to look at some jeans we're gonna go on vacation in week or so, we're gonna go hiking up to the mountains. And uh he my husband's so proper. He, when we got married, he didn't even own pair of jeans. And, but now he does, and he needed a new pair, you know us, he was asking me about how much they were gonna shrink up. And if they were part polyester then I think that they would shrink and all that. Yeah. {X} the polyester too in the cotton and polyester.
853:  Yeah they do, they will.
interviewer:  {X}
853:  If you had the temperature wrong for 'em.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But I'll tell you the thing that you can be sure of that uh polyester will wash just as well in cold water as warm or hot water.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Right.
interviewer:  I'll tell him that tonight when I talk to him cuz he's worried about 'em shrinking up.
853:  No.
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  It's the change from the hot to the rinse water.
interviewer:  Oh #1 {X} #
853:  #2 {D: Cool.} #
interviewer:  Is that right that makes 'em shrink?
853:  That makes 'em shrink.
interviewer:  Huh. Okay. {X} Uh. Talking about thing shrinking, you might say that shirt that I washed yesterday?
853:  Shrunk?
interviewer:  Okay. And lately it seems like it seems like everyone I have washed has
853:  Shrunken.
interviewer:  Okay. And, let's see. If a woman likes to put on good clothes, you say she sure does like to?
853:  Dress up.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  You like to dress up?
853:  Oh indeed.
interviewer:  I don't. Well, my husband likes to dress up more than I do. I sort of like to, sometimes.
853:  My daddy always said I had more pride than brain.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And you know my sister in law'll come down here now.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  John's sister. She's the only one in the family living. And she'll come in at back door. She would say well be safe where you're going. I said nowhere, why? Why you got on that dress on?
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And I said well uh I bought this dress to wear at the store. And to clean up and wear when I get through cleaning up the house.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh it's seven or eighteen years old and I don't wear this kind of dress to church.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Wear short sleeves.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I either wear three-quarters or a jacket you know.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, I don't know how you afford that kind of clothes.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And I said well, that's what I worked hard all my life for.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. She just don't dress up that much I guess.
853:  Oh no. She don't care.
interviewer:  Uh. Something you carry your money in, you call a?
853:  Purse or handbag or {D: purse.}
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  We used to call 'em purse. They call them handbags now.
interviewer:  Okay. And if it was small and had little clasp on it, you just carry?
853:  Coin purse.
interviewer:  Okay. And what would a woman wear around your wrist?
853:  Bracelet.
interviewer:  Okay. And Say you have a bunch of little beads strung up at together have to go around your neck, you'd say you have a what #1 of beads? #
853:  #2 Necklace. #
interviewer:  Okay or a?
853:  Strand of beads.
interviewer:  Okay. And what do men wear to hold up their trousers?
853:  Belts.
interviewer:  Okay, or used to be they wore?
853:  Suspenders.
interviewer:  Okay. Ever heard 'em called anything else?
853:  Galluses.
interviewer:  Mm-kay.
853:  Did you ever hear 'em called galluses?
interviewer:  Not until I start asking people in in this #1 interview and then heard that since then. #
853:  #2 Yeah. Galluses. # Mm-hmm. Galluses.
interviewer:  Uh. When you make up the bed the last thing you pull up when you make up the bed is the?
853:  Bedspread?
interviewer:  Okay. Ever heard it called anything else?
853:  Uh. Yeah they used to call it counterpane.
interviewer:  #1 Uh okay. #
853:  #2 Or # counterpin we called it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But it's spelled pane.
interviewer:  #1 Huh? #
853:  #2 Counterpane. #
interviewer:  Okay. Uh. At the head of the bed, you put your head on a?
853:  Pillow.
interviewer:  Okay. And what do you call those things that they're like a pillow except they they go all?
853:  Bolster.
interviewer:  Okay. Did you ever had one of those?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  I never, we didn't ever have one.
853:  Yeah. I used to have #1 one. #
interviewer:  #2 Do # you sleep on those too, or are they just {D: or not?}
853:  {X} Often.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Because they're they're round.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they are stuffed pretty tight, that's just to make your bed look pretty.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see. Uh. What would you call a bed cover that, that's old fashioned and they used to hand piece 'em out of #1 leftovers? #
853:  #2 Quilt. #
interviewer:  Okay. Did you ever quilt anything?
853:  Oh yes.
interviewer:  Really? I always thought that would be fun.
853:  Aw. Oh I I like to quilt but I don't like to piece a quilt. I've got some beautiful quilts. Tops.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  That would make a a beautiful old-fashioned bedspread #1 you know. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh uh-huh. #
853:  Put a ruffle under it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And put that on top and it's so colorful they're just beautiful. I have one that uh my aunt was ninety some odd years old she lived in Houston and she made it for me and I've never fixed it.
interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  But uh I I'll tell you. It had a block of a little basket of flowers.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Appliqued on it.
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  And then it ha- it had a plain block out of that same solid material.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  {D: Domestic.} And she had drawn that same basket of flowers on there to be embroidered. Well I brought it part of it on my machine.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  My machine {D: you know} I had just gotten it. Just before I had my eyes operated on. And I never have been able to use it very much.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Because I # can't get down. I can't get back {X}.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Now I can see off out yonder. I can read the highway sign behind.
interviewer:  Oh. Uh-huh. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 That's # something most people can't do.
interviewer:  No I can't do that.
853:  No. I'm sure.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And and then I can r- read all day.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But in between I can't see you know. Uh the the bifocals are not.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 It's # so I can't sew very much on my machine.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I've been trying to. I tried to give it to my granddaughter and she wouldn't have it.
interviewer:  Huh. I'm just opposite I can see up close real good.
853:  Mm.
interviewer:  But then I can't anything more than about twenty feet away I really don't do too well with it I have to go up and look.
853:  #1 Yeah. #
interviewer:  #2 Squint. # Put on my glasses.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Have to wear my glasses to drive, you know.
853:  Well, I have an excellent I had an excellent uh operation.
interviewer:  Oh, it was it?
853:  Beautiful.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Uh-huh guess I was what you might term blind before I had it.
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  Uh I had quit driving my car after John died. And it was pretty hard for me.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh I s- still went to church.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And I drive and go church.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And I'd stay on my side. Turn around on the church yard. Wait 'til everybody left come home. But I couldn't go at night.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  But uh I can go anywhere anybody else can now.
interviewer:  Yeah. That's great. Will did it come out, come on sort of gradually?
853:  No. No, he operated on it one morning. And he came in that operated on one eye came in that evening to dress it. And when he got the dressing off he I was laying there you know and he says uh can you see daylight? And I looked at him, I looked at him and this one was all bandaged up you know and he's getting it ready to operate the next morning.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I said uh yes sir you got on a I told what kind of suit and a polka dot tie.
interviewer:  {NW} He liked had a fit. {NW} Uh, let's see. Uh. What would you call a makeshift sleeping place down the floor where children
853:  Pallet.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. And you might say we expect a big yield from that field this year because the soil is very? Very rich or or what's another word for rich?
853:  Wealthy.
interviewer:  Uh, well, for soil, we're talking about soil. The soil on that farm.
853:  Oh, it's uh fertile.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  And, uh, what would you call flat low land that's beside the stream that, old stream of flows on it and spraying the, you going them plant stuff in it, usually grows pretty well down there. What would you call land like that?
853:  You mean a flat surface?
interviewer:  Well, down by a stream. Where you plant stuff. Where overflows, you know, and #1 you put that #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  dirt from the creek and
853:  Yeah it's it's fertile.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. What would you call an area like that?
853:  Creek bed.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. And what would you call a field that's not good for much in, except just to raise grass and stuff for hay.
853:  It's just a pasture land.
interviewer:  Okay. And what would you call uh some land that had water standing on it all time? About that much water.
853:  Well, it's um. Oh, mercy. {NW} It's like we have it all in south Texas.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. #1 What you think of it #
853:  #2 Overflow. #
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
853:  #2 Or no. # No no that's where the creek {D: rises on it.} Oh I that's that. I know exactly what it is.
interviewer:  Well you stop me if you think of it, okay? Um. What kind of soil do they have around here anyway?
853:  It's uh between uh sandy and uh uh {D: kinda clay and then} #1 {D: loam like.} #
interviewer:  #2 Oh is it # between?
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  That's great. That's a good kind.
853:  It's good soil. It'll grow anything in the world.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. That's great. We got that old black clay, up {D: where on there}.
853:  Right.
interviewer:  Oo that stuff is bad.
853:  I don't know it.
interviewer:  It's really terrible, it's so sticky and and.
853:  But this is a, what they call it sandy loam.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. That's good. We have to have that stuff hauled hauled in if you want to grow a garden in your backyard.
853:  Mm.
interviewer:  You have to have somebody go and haul in some sandy #1 loam. #
853:  #2 Right. # Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Break up that clay. Uh.
853:  Marshy land.
interviewer:  Oh, okay. #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Wet # stand you know it's marshy.
interviewer:  Okay. Say you got some marshy land and you want to get that water off. What do you have to do it to get the?
853:  Uh it's most unlikely that you could do anything. You might could put a drainage and drain it off
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  but it would have to be coming periodically from some other place. I mean a a spring maybe bubbling up somewhere.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But just marsh lands that would just stand after rains and uh maybe from an overflow of a creek that there's just some of 'em just don't ever dry up.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Less uh marshy land there's nothing you can do about it.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. Well, um say you're gonna try. You'd have to dig a a?
853:  A trench.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Trench it or ditch it.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um what's the difference between a ditch and a canal?
853:  Well a canal is uh s- supposed to have flowing water.
interviewer:  Mm. Mm-hmm.
853:  And a ditch can be dry.
interviewer:  Uh, okay. Is there any difference in the size?
853:  No.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Well I I it could be and it couldn't. Wouldn't have to #1 be. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 You # can have a big ditch or you can have a little ditch ravine light going down through your farm.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  And then a canal you know is uh {D: a run it} with running water.
interviewer:  Okay. What do you call a little place that's been washed out by the rain like across the road or something like that?
853:  A wash out.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Seems reasonable. Uh what would you call a great, big one that place has been washed out, you know, over the years, maybe ten feet cross and ten feet deep. #1 What would you call that? #
853:  #2 Well it # it could be a gully.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  Gully washer. {NW}
interviewer:  What's a gully washer?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  What's a gully #1 washer? #
853:  #2 A # gully washer is a a big rain and that {D: washes things} and leaves of gully.
interviewer:  #1 Okay, okay. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  It's a gull- you mentioned the ravine, is a gully and a ravine the same thing? #1 Or did you? #
853:  #2 No. # No. A ravine is uh usually has a fed by a spring or some #1 little #
interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
853:  creek that comes into it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And a gully is a it's just been washed out by periodical rain.
interviewer:  Oo.
853:  Heavy rains. {NW}
interviewer:  Um what all creeks are there around here? You mentioned creeks.
853:  Oh well. Right on up over this way a little ways going to Axtell is uh Tehuacana creek.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And there's um {D: cowhide} creek down toward Marlin road.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Old Marlin road. {D: And} I don't know I don't guess there's any others.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 We # don't have many.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm. They ever have much trouble with these uh creeks overflowing?
853:  Oh yes. Tehuacana always does. I've um I've walked over there {D: when it'd} come big rain and Tehuacana would be out.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Has high bridge across it.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well of course when you go cross Tehuacana Creek, you go right straight up under the highway again. I mean it's just right uphill.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the same way it's g- more gradual {D: this side.}
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 Of Tehuacana. # And uh then the railroad bridge comes across Cotton belt Saint Louis south western.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh And then down here on this this used to be the old Axtell road.
interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  This Harrison street #1 was. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah # uh-huh.
853:  And you went right on and you they just widened it. This back here is a just went right on into it, see.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Carried it right on, but when you get way on out on top of the past Tehuacana Creek well then it branches off and goes around, goes into Axtell. And this goes on to cross {D: Saginaw.}
interviewer:  #1 Oh, uh-huh. #
853:  #2 This # back here.
interviewer:  Uh #1 I see mm-hmm. #
853:  #2 You know. # uh-huh And then uh then we had what they call the lower Axtell road now.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And is a right down here, there's a lane that goes through and that's {D: Piton} lane and it goes into the old uh Axtell road again and comes in and goes right into Axtell.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  So it's just used to have little cow trails.
interviewer:  Yeah. You got several ways you can get there, huh? Uh, let's see. What would you call a, a big rise of land?
853:  Hill.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Um What do you call that thing right there that you turn to open the #1 door? #
853:  #2 Door # knob.
interviewer:  Okay. Would you ever use knob to, to describe something like a hill?
853:  Yeah, knob hills. I don't know what the difference is in that now.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 But # that's just a little knob hill they'd say.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I don't know what that is either.
853:  I don't know what the difference #1 is. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # Other thing we never had in Wichita Falls was #1 yes. #
853:  #2 Um # Yeah. I think that it it's like a other things, it's a the locality they would call well, this a knob here over yonder by Smith's place or so and so #1 you know like #
interviewer:  #2 I see. #
853:  something like that.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I think that it's all depends on the locale.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. That's probably right. Um. What would you sa- what would you call the side of the mountain that drops off real sharp?
853:  Bluff.
interviewer:  Okay. Anything else you might call it?
853:  Well I uh No. S- wall.
interviewer:  Okay. That like that thing that uh turkey ran into that you shot.
853:  That what?
interviewer:  That turkey that you shot that wild #1 turkey. #
853:  #2 Yeah. # It hit uh {D: oh my} side of the mountain.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh.
853:  Bluff or {D: high} bluff.
interviewer:  Okay. Um up in the mountains mountains where the road, there's a low place like this. And the road goes through the low place what do you call that, that low place like that?
853:  You mean a tunnel?
interviewer:  Well not #1 just a #
853:  #2 No # there's no close uh enclosure.
interviewer:  No. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Enclosure # would be a tunnel.
interviewer:  Yeah. Well just a low place in the mountains #1 where the road {X} #
853:  #2 Well it it's # you just uh they built the road through that tunnel through the bluff.
interviewer:  Mm-kay okay. Um used to be back in the old west when a when a gun fired it would kill somebody he'd he'd carve a little thing in his gun handle or in his belt or something. #1 What do you #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  call that little thing he carved in his gun handle? #1 Just take a #
853:  #2 Notch. #
interviewer:  Okay. Did you ever hear notch to used to talk about hills and stuff or place between hills?
853:  Where?
interviewer:  That, did you ever hear the word notch used about hills?
853:  No.
interviewer:  No. #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Never did. #
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  No, they notched their gun for every one they'd killed.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. #1 Strange. #
853:  #2 Thought it # was smart.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {D: Not terrific.}
interviewer:  Really.
853:  Tragedy.
interviewer:  What do you call a place where uh boats stop and they unload freight?
853:  Dock.
interviewer:  Okay. And a place in a river where a water with the water falls down a long way, what would you #1 call that? #
853:  #2 Waterfall. #
interviewer:  Okay. And uh
853:  At uh, Ore- Oregon has the most beautiful everywhere you look's a big waterfall.
interviewer:  Really?
853:  Just beautiful.
interviewer:  Oh, I wanna go.
853:  And out in Arizona
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  uh Manzanita, no. That's in uh Oregon. But uh, you go to the out from Sedona a little ways and you can climb up ladders and go up in there and you can find Indian skulls and there's the pans they cooked and ate in you know.
interviewer:  #1 No kidding #
853:  #2 There was an # Indian you know #1 place where they lived. #
interviewer:  #2 They still find that stuff huh? #
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  You can still find that #1 stuff? #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm # yes. It's beautiful up there.
interviewer:  Neat. Uh What are most of the roads around here made out of?
853:  Asphalt.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Gravel.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Um in an asphalt road, what do you call that black stuff that they put #1 down #
853:  #2 Tar. #
interviewer:  to? Mm-hmm. #1 Smells terrible. #
853:  #2 Yeah, tar. #
interviewer:  #1 #
853:  #2 #
interviewer:  Uh
853:  Most of their country roads of course are just gravel.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 But they're # getting to where there's hardly any. Now long before this was {D: taken into} the city of Bellmead uh they had it asphalt on top of it. It was not gravel, just gravel.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. So they have a good road here.
853:  {X} Uh-huh.
interviewer:  Yeah. Um what would you call a road that's just doesn't even have gravel on it, it just a?
853:  Well you could call a little country road.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  Just a little road.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 You could say. #
interviewer:  If it's not paved, you'd call it a?
853:  Road.
interviewer:  Okay. Um. #1 Uh. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  What would you call a little road out in the country that goes off the main road?
853:  Trail.
interviewer:  Okay. If, if you drive a car down it, would you still #1 call? #
853:  #2 Yeah. # Uh-huh.
interviewer:  Okay. Um would that be paved or not?
853:  No no no. It that uh the horses and the the {D: trenchant} just went through there.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And made a trail and you'd follow it because it was led to an opening all along where you could get through.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Uh suppose uh, you are going down the the paved road, you know, public road and a man's farm was off over here and he had a road going down from the public road to his house, but it was all on his land.
853:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
interviewer:  #2 You know. # It might be paved or not, what would you call road like that?
853:  It's just a road that leads up to the man's property.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. Um. What would you call the track where you drive your cattle down, when you take them to pasture?
853:  Trail.
interviewer:  Okay. And have you seen those big plantations, you know, big white houses with the columns #1 and tree #
853:  #2 Yes I saw them. #
interviewer:  lines #1 thing that #
853:  #2 Right. #
interviewer:  goes up to it. What would you call that kind of road that goes up, you know with trees on both sides?
853:  It's just another uh driveway.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh a-
853:  Anything that's made would be considered a driveway up to a house.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um what do you call that strip of pavement beside the street that you walk on?
853:  Concrete.
interviewer:  Okay. That, you know the down the I don't think you have one out here but most residential neighborhoods, you know right besides the street, there's a little #1 thing that's just? #
853:  #2 Side walk. #
interviewer:  Okay, okay. And do you have a name for a strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street?
853:  No.
interviewer:  Okay. Um say there were a couple of boys walking across the field and they see some crows out there in the farmer's corn, so they're gonna reach down and pick up a rock and then they did what with it?
853:  Threw it.
interviewer:  Okay. And uh so when the kid, when the kid uh gets over to the farm, he says to the farmer say, I picked up a rock and I?
853:  Threw.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 At # at the birds or the crow or #1 whatever. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Okay. Um. Let's see. Say somebody, um when, whey your husband was still living, say he was working out in the garage out there you know, and someone came to the front door to see him. And you, what would you say to tell 'em where he was?
853:  He's in the carport or around the back in the garage.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh. Talking about putting um milk in coffee uh some people like it?
853:  Cream.
interviewer:  Okay or if you
853:  Half and half or.
interviewer:  Okay. Do you ever drink with just milk in it? Do you drink it with, do you drink coffee?
853:  Na- yes, I do.
interviewer:  Yeah. Do you drink with something in it or?
853:  Sugar.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. No, no cream or #1 {X} #
853:  #2 No # #1 cream. #
interviewer:  #2 Or # milk?
853:  No, I told you. We weren't milk drinkers. #1 Yesterday. #
interviewer:  #2 Oh, that's right. #
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 Well I think you wouldn't #
853:  #2 I never tasted it. # Far as I ever know. And my family, none of 'em ever knew me tasting it. And the reason for that was I told you that my dad thought I could I thought he made the moon and hung it and {D: he did of me too.}
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he wouldn't drink milk. And he always told me it was nasty.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 I know, that's the reason. #
interviewer:  How funny. Okay. Let's see. If someone oh. {X} I'll tell you what, I'm gonna give you a sentence and just kind of fill in the blank, okay? You might say, some people like their coffee, mm milk that some people like their coffee mm milk. Just fill in those blanks.
853:  Some people like their coffee black.
interviewer:  Okay. Or that #1 some people #
853:  #2 Or #
interviewer:  like their coffee?
853:  With milk.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um if someone is not going away from you, he's coming?
853:  Toward you.
interviewer:  Okay. And say you saw somebody in town this morning that you, that you you haven't seen in a while. You might say, well I wasn't looking for him, I just happen to?
853:  See him.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um if a child is given the same name that her mother has, you would say the child is named?
853:  After the mother.
interviewer:  Okay. Hmm. Let's see, we were talking about cows and mules and horses and stuff that you have on a on a farm. What smaller animals would you have around?
853:  Well, there's sheep and goats.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And calves. Hogs.
interviewer:  Did you ever have just pets?
853:  Pets?
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Oh, lord. We always had a #1 pet. #
interviewer:  #2 What # did you have for pets?
853:  Well, we had goats.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They would they made the life of pets. And my brother especially had a goat till he was a grown, grown man.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  And the neighborhood called him goat.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  My brother.
interviewer:  How funny. {NW}
853:  #1 {X} #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Because he
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  he loved 'em and
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 he # raised 'em and Papa'd sell 'em off and
interviewer:  #1 uh-huh. #
853:  #2 we'd # kill him off and never often that we'd kill that my daddy wouldn't kill anything that the kids had uh as a pet.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He'd sell it when it got old and had to, or whatever.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But he wouldn't ever kill off anything.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Did you have a cats or anything like that?
853:  Loads of 'em.
interviewer:  You did.
853:  Pour out that milk. Out. Always had a pan out in the milking lot. #1 You know. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh, uh-huh. #
853:  And mama the boys would milk a little and she'd say now son feed your cats while you're out there.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Give your cats some #1 milk. #
interviewer:  #2 Huh. # What other pets did you have beside the #1 cat? #
853:  #2 We had # dogs. Cats. Rabbits.
interviewer:  No kidding, rabbits, my goodness. {NW} #1 Uh #
853:  #2 And # anytime a bird was found anywhere we thought mama had the magic touch. And she'd splinter a leg or wing.
interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  Bring in that bird in and
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  that bird as long as we lived there that bird would go and come back.
interviewer:  Huh. Isn't that something?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Even with the cats, huh? #1 The cats that are- #
853:  #2 Right oh listen. # If a cat ever my brother could {X} throw a rock a mile. And if a cat ever chased a bird
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 especially # a mocker {D: I wouldn't care a} red bird, we had plenty of 'em.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I will tell you, he'd pick up rocks and he'd wham 'em.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And they'd go leaping off and they didn't chase #1 birds anymore. #
interviewer:  #2 I guess, I guess. # Oh, what would you say to your dog if you want him, wanted him to attack another dog?
853:  Go get him.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  Or sic him.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Sic it. Sic him. Sic him.
interviewer:  What kind of dogs did you have?
853:  Any kind. We had a always after I met after we married I always had a {D: bird dog} I mean a bulldog.
interviewer:  Oh, really? They're cute.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  They're so funny looking. #1 Fa- face little pushed in face. #
853:  #2 Well uh I had a # English bulldog.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I didn't know he would bite. And one of the neighbors near across over that {D: nut house} she came over here to bring me some uh fresh vegetables. And she went around the house and he loved her to death. And she had on no long s- sleeves {D: mop and a bonnet.}
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And he'd never seen her like that and he'd got her down in my yard, I wasn't here. He almost ate her up and she got loose and ran and he he knocked her down about middle ways home and got her again.
interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  I dressed her wounds. Legs. Stomach.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 Neck. # For a solid year.
interviewer:  That's terrible. He really got her #1 good. #
853:  #2 He nearly # killed her.
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
853:  #2 And they # didn't blame nobody. I'd thought they'd get mad.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I paid all of the bill. mr Bledsoe didn't want us to but John said, now wait a minute, Jim. I want to.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And uh.
interviewer:  Well, did the did the dog see her after that and, and or?
853:  Yeah, but we tied him up and kept him until the doctor, the veterinary said that it was past time for the rabies.
interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 For him # to die. And we gave him to uh oh, it was public in the paper, you know, published. Everywhere.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 They # come from far and near wanted that dog. And we gave it to uh a dairy farm down close to Marlin. They came up here and got him.
interviewer:  Is that right? For a watch dog, is that what they were?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  What do they use him for, a watch dog?
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  So obviously a good one.
853:  They turned him loose at night and nothing bothered their cows and calves.
interviewer:  I guess.
853:  Chickens.
interviewer:  Yeah. That's scary.
853:  Terrified me.
interviewer:  I guess. Uh.
853:  But you know. Uh I did we didn't have that porch screened in then.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And John worked nights. And his name was prince. And I could go out there and I'd say come on Prince. Sit right here now. And he'd sit there as long as I stayed out.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And every once in a while I'd say, go get it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And he'd circle the house, snorting. #1 Never would #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  bark.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Come back and sit down.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  {D: Just good to say well nothing there.}
interviewer:  Huh. What um you might say talking about dogs that bite, you might say yesterday our dog did what to the postman?
853:  Bit? {NW}
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  {X}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  You ever been bit by a dog?
853:  {D: No.}
interviewer:  Me either. One time though um I was walking across the neighbor's yard and now it wasn't even in their yard but a dog next door I didn't, you know, I wasn't even, I didn't see the dog until this dog comes in bounding across the yard at me and was a collie. And that dog was going for my throat, scared me to death.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  But his owner saw it #1 and #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  and called him off you know before he get to me. {X} I don't why he was gonna bite me, but he sure was.
853:  Well I swear this dog was done going after her throat and she was screaming.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  and ms uh her mother heard her and she came out and {D: grabbed} a hoe and beat him off of her. {D: You wonder how to} knock her down.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He's a big dog.
interviewer:  #1 Oh, he was? That make- #
853:  #2 English bull. #
interviewer:  #1 #
853:  #2 #
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  Ugly as I am.
interviewer:  {NW} Oh, come on. {NW} What would you call a mixed breed dog?
853:  Half breed.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Or # mixed.
interviewer:  Okay. What if it was a worthless good for nothing kind of dog, what would you call him?
853:  Just call him an old mangy #1 dog. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  What if it was a, a little, little bitty? yappy kind of dog, what would you call dog like that?
853:  Well now sometimes there are different type dogs.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You'd say it it might be a little poodle.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Or it could be a little uh fox terrier #1 Or something #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  you know a small dog #1 breed of #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  dog.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Did- #
853:  #2 You # specify. He had any signs that he was a poodle.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Inside. #
interviewer:  Yeah. Well I've got a dog that doesn't have a signs of being anything. {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  #1 All- #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  Um let's see here. Oh. If you wanna say you have a cow. and you want to have the cow bred, take her to somebody who owns a
853:  Bull.
interviewer:  Okay. And if you have two mules pulling a wagon, you'd say you have a what of mules?
853:  A team.
interviewer:  Okay. If you have four mules pulling the wagon would you call that a team, or would you call #1 it something else? #
853:  #2 No you'd say well # {D: now we've got well had to} pull that wagon with four.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  You specify.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. Um. If you have a cow named Daisy, who is expecting a calf, you might say next week Daisy is going to?
853:  Uh have her baby have her calf or whatever.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh A female horse is called a?
853:  Mare.
interviewer:  Okay. A male horse is called a?
853:  Stud.
interviewer:  Okay. And let's see. If you couldn't say, if you couldn't stay on, you'd say I fell? #1 What the horse? #
853:  #2 Off. #
interviewer:  What?
853:  Fell off of the horse?
interviewer:  Okay. And Say little child went to sleep in his bed and he found himself on the floor the next morning,
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  he'd say, gee, I must've?
853:  Rolled #1 off. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Uh what do you call those things that you put on a horse's uh feet to protect 'em?
853:  Horseshoe.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. And the part of the feet that you put it on is called the?
853:  Hoof.
interviewer:  Okay. And, and a horse has four?
853:  Feet.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Or hoof. #
interviewer:  #1 Four what? #
853:  #2 Hooves. #
interviewer:  Okay. And #1 what? #
853:  #2 Hooves. # Yeah.
interviewer:  What do you call that game that you play with the #1 horse? #
853:  #2 Horseshoe. #
interviewer:  Okay, okay. #1 Did you ever play that? #
853:  #2 It's # a horseshoe, yeah.
interviewer:  Yeah I I never did.
853:  Oh, listen. Kids used to had uh have to play things like that.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They didn't have any games, you know.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They had to make their own entertainment.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  {D: Unless really never happy.}
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  They were busy all the time planning.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Or # doing.
interviewer:  Trying to think of something. Yeah.
853:  Right. Right.
interviewer:  Uh A male sheep you'd call a what?
853:  I'm telling you.
interviewer:  {NW} Well what's a female sheep?
853:  It's a he's a ram.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And she's a well I'm telling you,
interviewer:  {NW} It's the first #1 one. #
853:  #2 {D: Stopped.} #
interviewer:  Okay, that's a female sheep?
853:  No, I don't know what it is. I said I'm #1 {D: stung.} #
interviewer:  #2 Oh # you're {D: stung}. I'm sorry.
853:  No.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh I guess you'd call her a a ram and a female.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  I guess.
interviewer:  All right. Uh what'd they raise sheep for?
853:  Wool.
interviewer:  Okay. And Oh if if you had a hog that that you didn't what do I say, let me ask you this first. What do you call a male hog?
853:  He's a barrow.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. Okay. Now is is a barrow uh Let's see.
853:  Let's see now is it barrow or boar.
interviewer:  {X} {NW} #1 I don't know. #
853:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  Well can if you have a male hog that you don't want to be able to to #1 mate #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  what do you have to have done to #1 him? #
853:  #2 You # operate on him.
interviewer:  Okay. Then you call him a what?
853:  Well he's just a hog.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Uh what do you call the stiff things on their backs on the hogs' backs that they they use them in brushes and things.
853:  Yeah. I know it. Uh Well I'll declare.
interviewer:  You can just stop me if you think of it. Anytime anything you think of it tell me stop me.
853:  Bristles.
interviewer:  Okay. All right. Um those big teeth that a hog #1 has. #
853:  #2 Fa- # uh that's fangs.
interviewer:  Okay. Ever hear 'em called #1 anything else? #
853:  #2 Teeth. # Teeth, I guess. {D: Just are} big fangs.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Are they mean?
853:  Not necessarily.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Now there is wild hogs,
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. #1 {X} #
853:  #2 when we w- # When we'd go deer hunting, you had to be careful.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Carry a big stick.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Along. #
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Course you couldn't done anything with it but they didn't know it and there's always {D: in a ravine.}
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Dry creek.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And here they'd come.
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Short steps {D: little} teeth sticking out there.
interviewer:  Ugh.
853:  Scare you to death.
interviewer:  They look like they would be mean.
853:  They were mean.
interviewer:  What did you, did you have name for 'em besides just wild hog?
853:  Yeah no what just a wild boar.
interviewer:  Well okay. Uh uh those things that you put feed into to feed the hogs, you'd say I have three or #1 four? #
853:  #2 Trough. #
interviewer:  What?
853:  Feed troughs.
interviewer:  Okay. Um.
853:  Is that what you're talking about?
interviewer:  Yeah, uh-huh. Did you all ever have, how many of those did you all have, usually?
853:  Oh, we usually had a long one and then we'd have some small ones on each end for the little pigs.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 Or # the smaller hogs.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 They # couldn't fight the big ones away
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {D: up in the} big ones.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Uh if you were gonna tell me about them you would say well we had we had several small whats?
853:  Troughs.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Feed # troughs.
interviewer:  Okay. Um #1 what #
853:  #2 And we'd # you know we'd we'd call the the scraps from the table and milk and water uh dish water.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 Uh # {D: I don't care how much} soap and we used lots of then.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 It # didn't hurt the #1 hogs. #
interviewer:  #2 No kidding. #
853:  And you pour that in this barrel too.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then it was carried and you slopped the #1 hogs. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. # {NW} Really was sloppy too #1 I guess. #
853:  #2 Mm. #
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  But you know it was carried {D: for the outhouse} just like it was good to eat.
interviewer:  Is that right? Huh. Well, they, it was good to eat for #1 them I suppose. #
853:  #2 It was for the hogs and then # and then it would get smelly if you didn't tend to it. #1 You can #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
853:  keep it covered and flies would collect you know.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Now we never and you didn't have any screens in you know.
interviewer:  Oh, is that right? Hmm.
853:  #1 No. #
interviewer:  #2 So it was # just open.
853:  Absolutely. All the doo- windows and doors,
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  no screens.
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Now of course you can't remember that far back.
interviewer:  No.
853:  But after I married, we built this house, we we didn't have any screens.
interviewer:  Is that right? And you had to leave the windows open all the time cuz you didn't have #1 air conditioning. #
853:  #2 I know it. # And why we didn't have flies, I don't #1 know. #
interviewer:  #2 You # didn't?
853:  But we never had uh then you know a fly got in here the other day and I like never got that thing out
interviewer:  #1 Oh. #
853:  #2 killed. #
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He wouldn't {D: light is a kinda} {NW}
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And he never {D: light.}
interviewer:  That'd drive you #1 crazy. #
853:  #2 Finally # I got up the next morning, he had he was ha- he {D: lit on} down the sink.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I right here I got my swatter.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I went over there and killed him.
interviewer:  They get tired after a while but sometimes it takes a #1 day. #
853:  #2 But # you'd think you'd have swarms of #1 flies. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # #1 I would've thought so. #
853:  #2 Well. # I've been places where you couldn't eat {D: for 'em.}
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But not us, we never did cuz we were never allowed to put anything on the ground out around the house.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 The dogs # were fed out away from the house.
interviewer:  I see. That probably helped. Mm-hmm. Um. The noise that a calf makes when it's being weaned, you'd call a?
853:  #1 The what? #
interviewer:  #2 The # noise that a calf makes when it's being weaned, what kind of a noise does he make?
853:  Bleat.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Kinda like a sheep, you know it it kind of bleats a little #1 bit. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Uh what do you call a gentle noise made by a cow during milking time?
853:  Mooing.
interviewer:  Okay. And a gentle noise that a horse makes would be a?
853:  Whinnying.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay.
853:  Is that it? Right?
interviewer:  #1 Uh, just whatever you call is right. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 A bunch of people {X}
 say #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  bunch of different things, you know, so just whatever you #1 say. #
853:  #2 You mean # you don't ever think to contradict me there #1 or? #
interviewer:  #2 Hmm-mm. # No, I don't. {X}
853:  I don't know what all this is for.
interviewer:  Well. People are just curious about these things. Just want to know what {D: words} says, you know, what is makes a lot of noise. Uh if you got some mules and cows, and so on and they're getting hungry, you have to go out and feed the?
853:  Animals or the mules.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Whichever one or if you'll say you better go out and feed the stock.
interviewer:  Mm-kay okay. And if you got hens and turkeys and chickens and all that kind of stuff, you got to feed this, now I gotta go feed the?
853:  The chickens.
interviewer:  Okay. #1 And #
853:  #2 That # included anything that had feathers.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Okay. And uh a hen on a nest of eggs is called a?
853:  Setting.
interviewer:  Okay. And where do the chickens live?
853:  What?
interviewer:  Where do the chickens live?
853:  They have a, hen hou- we always have a what we called a hen house.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh.
853:  And by the time they got big enough to go up this little ladder onto the thing
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  they had boards they'd set on up there and roost on at night.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  I've gone out there and {D: bought a decide I} wanted to dress a hen had somebody to say they'd be here earlier the next day and eat #1 lunch. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
853:  I said I got to go get an old hen, dress her tonight.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  John said well what for? Can't you dress her in the morning? Not and get you off to work and {D: babies} off to school.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I got to dress that hen tonight.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And he'd say well I'll I get the ladder and and we'd go out there and he'd {D: hold and he'd say} which one you want, they'll be setting up there.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 Sleep. # You'll be {D: surprised.}
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Oh dear.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I'd I'd know about which one was you know had just laid her litter at.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 And # I'd get one that you know wasn't a laying hen.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
853:  #2 Right # then.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But a good healthy hen that had just got through. They'll lay so many eggs and they don't lay for a while anymore.
interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh. I see, yeah. What, what would you call a place where you kept 'em that was smaller than the big hen house?
853:  Uh Coop.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh What was coop usually made out of?
853:  Wood.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Or tin. {C: distorted}