853:  {NS} There in the mornings you know.
Interviewer:  Settle down you're going to make the room blow up {NS} Probably make it harder to cool off
853:  {NS} Yeah.
Interviewer:  Harder stupid thing stupid thing why it does that oh perfect {NW} you know uh this place where I'm staying right now the uh it faces west.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And that from about about six o'clock in the evening the sun starts to shine right on that window.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And from about six until about eight thirty when the sun goes down.
853:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Right on that window and the air conditioning is just going {X} you know it can't even phase it.
853:  No that's right.
Interviewer:  It's really hot in there. {NW} I was going to ask you about the kind of medicine people used to keep in their uh medicine cabinet had a skull and cross bones on it and it was reddish brown and it hurt like crazy you put it on a little scratch.
853:  Liniment.
Interviewer:  Uh this is to put on scratches not for sore muscles but just if you've got a scratch you know it might get infected to dis-
853:  You mean powder or or salve?
Interviewer:  Uh liquid it was a liquid what I used to see and it.
853:  {NS} Well we used Sloan's liniment
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  For sore pla- Not uh open wound.
Interviewer:  Yeah well this is for an open wound.
853:  Oh.
Interviewer:  What kind of brown did you ever use any brown medicine at all for an open wound?
853:  I don't remember.
Interviewer:  Okay um two kinds of salt you can get at the grocery store you can get just plain salt or you can get salt with what?
853:  Iodized.
Interviewer:  Okay uh {NS} what do you call those those white you know that white bitter powder that you can take uh as a tonic for a cold
853:  Quinine.
Interviewer:  Okay did y'all ever take that?
853:  Yes sir. {NS} And calomel.
Interviewer:  Is that the same thing or is that?
853:  No no no it was different. Uh now quinine {NW} was good for fever.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And calomel was good for malaria.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  You you take calomel in the spring for malaria fever.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Wasn't that stupid? Nothing to it.
Interviewer:  Huh really?
853:  But that is all we had.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Everybody else did.
Interviewer:  Yeah did it taste bad?
853:  Yeah and you know they'd. My dad I've seen my daddy take it and you got the little piece of paper. {NW} Uh writing tablet had its own kind of paper didn't have wax paper then you know. {NW} And you'd he'd take his knife. And he'd get a little bit of calomel. Put it down here. {NW} Then he'd get a little bit of soda that was keeping {NW} to keep it from salivating you.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And you'd mix that up real good. And then put it in that little old piece of paper that he'd cut up. {NW} And then that was a dose. And when they got around to take it why you stuck your tongue out and they sprinkled it on your tongue and took your water and swallowed it.
Interviewer:  Yuck sounds terrible. {NW}
853:  It it was awful and quinine it today uh I guess the younger generation would say it is as bitter as quinine.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  It was gosh awful.
Interviewer:  Really I've never tasted it but I know.
853:  They don't give it anymore. {NW} It's in all medicines.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Calomel and quinine's in all medicines nearly.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  and for some purpose.
Interviewer:  Yeah they just don't give it by itself.
853:  But you don't take it by itself like you used to.
Interviewer:  Oh you might say the doctor did everything he could but the patient.
853:  Died.
Interviewer:  Okay um what are some other words for it for died?
853:  Expired
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
853:  Passed away.
Interviewer:  Okay you might say oh excuse me I'm glad that old skin flint finally what he'd always be?
853:  Died or left town.
Interviewer:  Okay well if he died what's a funny way of saying it?
853:  Kicked the bucket.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Anything else?
853:  {NW} Turned up his toes.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 {NW} # Oh #1 Mercy #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Oh you might say he's been dead a week and nobody's figured out yet what he
853:  Died with.
Interviewer:  Okay and um place where they bury people is called the?
853:  The what?
Interviewer:  Place where they bury people is called?
853:  Oh cemetery.
Interviewer:  Okay and if it's small and just and out in the country it's called a?
853:  It's graveyard.
Interviewer:  Okay and and what if it's real small and just on a farm you know like family's buried there?
853:  Just a burial plot.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  Um and that box that they put the body in what do you call that?
853:  Casket.
Interviewer:  Okay ever heard any old fashioned names for it?
853:  Black box used to say {NW} Well they're going to have to go to town to get the black box to put him in.
Interviewer:  Huh okay uh you might say he was a real important man everybody in town turned out for his
853:  Funeral.
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If people were dressed in black you'd say they are in
853:  Mourning.
Interviewer:  Okay did they used to have funeral homes the way they do now?
853:  {NW} No.
Interviewer:  What'd they do?
853:  I don't know where they had {NW} where they had the caskets.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm maybe they just had a
853:  But you come to town and got one in a wagon.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And brought it back {NW} and brought it to the house where they died. {NW} And they put them in the casket and carried them to the graveyard and they had. {NW} Uh uh. Followers just like they do today and processions you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh from the house.
853:  Uh-huh uh-huh there'll be neighbors that would collect there and have their horse and buggy or {NW} wagon and a herd of kids.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah?
853:  And uh go to the funeral.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And there's more people went to funerals than they do now.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Oh much much more.
Interviewer:  Huh wonder why.
853:  Well they were more respectful. People don't have much respect for you anymore. {NW} You have to do something out standing before you get have neighbors anymore much.
Interviewer:  Yeah that's true that's true that happens a lot.
853:  {NW} No you don't I- I dare say you don't have any neighbors do you? {NW} Well of course I do.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Because I've been here a long time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But I had an old man actually not too old a lot younger than I am. Second house to this one. {NW} he threw one fit right after the other when this colored man moved next door to me.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
853:  Asked me one day what I thought about it and I said now called him by name I said not a thing I can do about it. The government sold it to him.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Moved him in there. And uh I'd rather they'd like me than not.
Interviewer:  Really yeah.
853:  And I'm going to tell you right now I- I don't have to brag to tell you they liked me.
Interviewer:  Yeah it sounds like he's a nice man. #1 Too #
853:  #2 Yeah # If anything happens to me he starts crying.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well he's nervous. {NW} He's a- He's a disabled veteran.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  He was in the Korean War.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  And he was- He's nervous. I'm always giving him something. If I make a cake or something I'll give him a big piece of cake.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  He says that all you got?
Interviewer:  {NW} Take more. {NW} If you see a friend uh downtown and they say how you doing and it's just an average day you'll say oh
853:  Fine or okay.
Interviewer:  Okay um if your if your joints are getting stiff and achy and you say you got just a touch of?
853:  Rheumatism.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh what was the name of that disease that when children used to get a real terrible sore throat and they died in the middle of the night?
853:  Diphtheria.
Interviewer:  Yeah did you ever know anybody who had it?
853:  Oh yes. Lot of people.
Interviewer:  Anybody in your family ever have it?
853:  Yes. My sister in law's son. {NW} And you were quarantined you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And she called me and wanted me to come and stay with her. She lived in town then. {NW} And I went and I had to stay two or three weeks I couldn't come out of there.
Interviewer:  Boy that's terrible.
853:  Until they lifted the quarantine.
Interviewer:  Yeah was he
853:  About to die.
Interviewer:  But he alright?
853:  Oh yeah. {NW} He's uh {NW} A sports editor of Waco News Tribune. {NW} And he publishes a sports magazine. {NW} He's today {NW} what I would call immensely rich.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he was they were so poor at that time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And his daddy died and {NW} they moved out here then so we could- {NW} And my husband and the other two brothers would give her money enough to buy groceries and things you know they didn't have any. {X} But listen he's plenty rich today.
Interviewer:  Well I hope does he take care of his mother.
853:  Oh mercy yes.
Interviewer:  Oh that's good then.
853:  He's a fine person.
Interviewer:  Uh what do you call that disease where your your skin and your eyeballs turn yellow?
853:  Yellow fever yellow jaundice.
Interviewer:  Okay uh {NS} if you if you eat something that doesn't agree with you it might come back up and you?
853:  Vomit
Interviewer:  Okay um is is vomit the most polite word for that?
853:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Okay what are some less polite words?
853:  Oh well you'll say well I hurled my toes up or I up chucked half a night.
Interviewer:  Okay yuck oh I hate that worse than anything.
853:  If I ever have to vomit well you better call a doctor I'm sick.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah me too I
853:  I get sick in my stomach but I can't vomit.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh I'm that way too my husband will just go in the bathroom and throw up just the easiest #1 Thing and he #
853:  #2 Yeah #
Interviewer:  Feels better I can't do that.
853:  Now you see you said throw up
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And we said that too.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh uh-huh I guess I'd say that.
853:  More than vomit or
Interviewer:  Yeah I think I do say that more than vomit {X}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh if you eat something that doesn't agree with you you might feel sick where?
853:  In your stomach.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if a boy keeps going out to the same girl's house all the time you'd say he's?
853:  Courting her.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And uh in that case he would be her?
853:  Steady.
Interviewer:  Okay and she would be his?
853:  Girlfriend
Interviewer:  Okay and if a boy comes home with lipstick on his collar his little brother would say uh-huh you've been?
853:  Kissing.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW} Or necking.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If the girl stops letting him come over to see her you'd say she?
853:  Broke up.
Interviewer:  Okay uh he asked her to marry him but she?
853:  Said no.
Interviewer:  Okay uh and say they were engaged but all of a sudden she just what?
853:  Said take me home.
Interviewer:  Okay alright she they were engaged and she decided she didn't want to be engaged anymore so how would you say what would you say she did?
853:  She'd say now I'm just real sorry but I don't want to go with you anymore.
Interviewer:  Okay uh.
853:  That's what I did.
Interviewer:  You did?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Who was it what what?
853:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Oh no {NW} But I went with a boy a long time and I- I decided that he liked me better than I did him. {NW} I liked him
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  an awful lot.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He was a fine person. And he was {NW} I decided John I guess he was the nicest boy I ever went with.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But he he was hunting somebody to get married.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And I told him I said I don't believe we ought to go together anymore. {NW} He said how come? {NW} And I said because I think you like me in a different way to what I like you.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh yeah
853:  I didn't say love.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Did he understand?
853:  Hmm
Interviewer:  Did he understand or?
853:  Yes he did Uh he went to our church and when I taught Sunday school in the children department. {NW} And of course he was in the old folks' class and {NW} after that I we'd sit together in church. But he never asked me for a date after.
Interviewer:  Well that was nice They can end in disaster too because uh we had some friends who were married and and I know when they got married that he was just looking for somebody to marry anybody.
853:  Right.
Interviewer:  Anybody who was remotely #1 Suitable #
853:  #2 Right # Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And they were married for five or six years and then all of a sudden she came home one day and said I want a divorce and uh they got a divorce two months later she married somebody else.
853:  Isn't that something? {NS} Well I used to go with a boy {NW} and I liked him from brown wood he was uh. And he was up until he retired {NW} uh president of Daniel Baker College. And uh he was teaching at Daniel Baker at that time. And uh he'd come to Waco and spend the summer. And I'd go with him I wouldn't as long as John now wasn't mad.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm mm-hmm.
853:  But uh if John And I had a little break up then I'd go with Will because I wanted to hurt him. #1 Wasn't I awful? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah # {NW} Shame on you. {NW}
853:  And uh I'd uh go with him.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  So finally I he asked me if you know I thought I could love him and I made up my mind I told my mother I was going to marry him.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He'd been wanting me to for years. Mama said no sugar you can't do that. You don't want to.
Interviewer:  Huh
853:  You can't do that.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And she talked to me a long time yes I am. I'll show John.
Interviewer:  Oh uh-huh.
853:  So we went to this show and this is the difference in boys and girls in my day.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  In a buggy coming on back. Why he was talking about getting married and everything and I was halfway sanctioning it you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Finally he reached over. I had his hat in in my lap. At night of course. And he reached over and got my hand and kissed it I thought I'd jump out of that buggy.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  That was the worst thing that could have ever happened to me.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  And I thought then if I can't stand for that man to kiss my hand. {NW} I could never love him.
Interviewer:  Yeah really yeah.
853:  So when I- I began talking to him then. I said no well I couldn't ever marry you and you wonder why. And I told him the truth. But I got he stayed at the Raleigh and left town that night.
Interviewer:  Huh
853:  And uh I. He wrote me the awfulest ugliest letter I didn't know anybody. I didn't think it was in him.
Interviewer:  Well aren't you glad you didn't marry him if he was like that?
853:  Well he was just telling me how I had led him on. For these five long years. Every summer I came to Waco and stayed strictly to be with you. You led me on nothing ugly you know he didn't say anything ugly. So I sat down and wrote him a letter and I let mama read it. She said that's one of the nicest letters I ever read. He'll understand.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And he called me long distance from Brownwood and apologized.
Interviewer:  Oh good.
853:  And I've never seen or heard tell of him since.
Interviewer:  Huh wonder what happened to him.
853:  He never did marry.
Interviewer:  Oh. #1 really #
853:  #2 And since # John's been gone his cousin. She's a matchmaker she called me.
Interviewer:  Oh dear.
853:  #1 And she #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  Said say Will's here would you like to see him I said no. Yes. She said I'll bring him out I said no wait a minute. I know you Olly. I've known you all of my life. Don't bring Will Wilson out here. {NW} I don't want to see him for the reason you do. {NW} Now I'd like to see him because he's a good friend.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  He's a good man. And so she says and you don't want me to bring him I said no ma'am I don't.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm yeah getting put on the spot. #1 Like that #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  Just ugh.
853:  So she didn't and I haven't.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And he retired about two or three years ago.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh well it would be different if you just happened to run into him but for her to
853:  #1 Certainly #
Interviewer:  #2 bring him over #
853:  to get us started back together. #1 Again #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah # That's really cute.
853:  And I told her later on she we got to talking about it and I said now I'll tell you something I'm a different person to you. What you are. When Sydney died you didn't wait very long to marry. That was your business. There was nothing disgraceful about it. But it proved definitely to me that you didn't love Sydney like I love John.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  I could never marry again she said well you might. My husband's been dead fourteen years I said no ma'am I'm too old to marry. Not after having the kind of husband I had {NW} fifty years.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  No.
Interviewer:  People are just different you know I don't know.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Talking about getting married what do you call a man who stands up with the groom?
853:  {NW} Best man.
Interviewer:  Okay what do you stand a call a woman who stands up with the?
853:  Matron of honor or bridesmaid.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um did you ever hear about things where after the wedding all of the boys in the neighborhood?
853:  Shivaree.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Did y'all do that here?
853:  Yeah yeah they didn't me but {NW} uh they did a lot then.
Interviewer:  What'd they do?
853:  Uh they'd come around with uh rice and old tin pans and tin cans and beat them and around wherever you stand all night and you didn't get to sleep.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Terrible I had one lady tell me about uh they shivareed them and they came in and stole the groom took him away.
853:  Right they did they tried it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  They did do always tried for that.
Interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  Yeah. {NW}
Interviewer:  Um.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If there was a party and there was some trouble at the party and the police came but they didn't just arrest the people who were making the trouble they arrested the
853:  Whole bunch.
Interviewer:  Okay uh after a football game now high school kids usually go to a what?
853:  Party.
Interviewer:  Okay well what what did they do at the party?
853:  Well they'd I think they still have little play parties like you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Play little games and things.
Interviewer:  What about when they have a band and and have music and what do they do then?
853:  They dance.
Interviewer:  Okay uh you might say s- four-o-clock is the time when school
853:  Is out.
Interviewer:  Okay and the day after labor day is when school?
853:  Has a holiday.
Interviewer:  In the fall right after labor day is when school?
853:  Takes up.
Interviewer:  Okay uh if a boy left home to go to school and he didn't show up you'd say he
853:  Ran away from home.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what if he wasn't really trying to be away from home he just didn't want to go to school?
853:  Played hooky.
Interviewer:  Okay anybody in your family ever do that?
853:  Huh.
Interviewer:  Anybody in your family ever do that?
853:  No not with my daddy.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh #
853:  #2 {NW} # Cause they had to come back.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  No they never did. {NW} Now my younger brother said not too long back {NW} that he played hooky one morning.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Uh on April fool.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And he decided that wouldn't work and he left the gang and went back to school.
Interviewer:  Oh he did uh-huh that's probably smart.
853:  Yeah he knew what would happen.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  If one of us that were still in school too {NW} would tell.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  But you know that's one thing I never did on my brothers.
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Uh tell on them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I tell them if you do that again I'll tell.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You better not ever do that again if you do I'll tell.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I'll tell papa. #1 And he'd #
Interviewer:  #2 What would you #
853:  #1 He'd #
Interviewer:  #2 What would you # Go ahead go ahead.
853:  He'd give them a good whipping.
Interviewer:  Yeah what would you call somebody who tells on other kids?
853:  Tattle tale. {NW} No I never tell on them. {NW} Uh and I was the only girl at that time that would be big enough to go to school with the boys and run around and play. I played ball well with them you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Baseball you know and uh because I had no my other two sisters was little.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Too little for me to play with I nursed them and wagged them straddled my neck and things like that but not just play with them.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But uh {NW} I never told on my brothers. And I- I remember when they started smoking.
Interviewer:  Oh uh-huh.
853:  I'd tell them if I see you smoking anymore if you ever {NW} if I ever catch you smoking again I'm going to tell papa.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh uh-huh.
853:  And sure enough they didn't.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Until they got grown and got away from home.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Do they #
853:  #2 I #
Interviewer:  Smoke did they smoke after that?
853:  Yes but they're the last one to quit. #1 Before it was over #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that # Huh.
853:  After they got older
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  quit.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  My daddy did too. {NW} My daddy said he smoked when he was seven. But he quit long years before he died.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm mm-hmm uh would you ever use the word tattletale about an adult.
853:  {NS} Did I ever do that?
Interviewer:  Well would you ever say the world tattletale about an adult?
853:  Oh indeed.
Interviewer:  What what kind of person is that?
853:  Well that's a person that's a gossiper.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Always telling something.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You know I told John one time I said uh. We sat on our front porch and I knew more than half of the people in the community you think I would tell it. I'd see that boy across the street over there {NW} after they'd all go to bed he'd come out. And he'd walk right down in front of my house and walk down. {NW} Way on down to East Waco that was the only place there was houses in you know.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  But he'd get down there and they had old domino halls and
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  beer joints down there then.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well he'd go down there and when he'd get home I wouldn't know.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  But I wouldn't have told him.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh his parents I guess didn't know he was
853:  Oh no no no no.
Interviewer:  Huh he just sneaked out I guess.
853:  Yeah I told him one time about it. And he said you wouldn't tell would you I said no. He said how come? {NW} I said because I wouldn't think that'd be right. I said I- I it's none of my business what you're doing you're old enough to know better. And you know your parents don't want you to do it. {NW} And I said {X} not a reason in the world for me to tell on you {NW} because it wouldn't stop you.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm that's true that's true.
853:  So no I'm not going to tell.
Interviewer:  {NW} He was probably glad.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh uh let's see you go to school in order to get an
853:  Education.
Interviewer:  Okay and after high school some people go on to
853:  College.
Interviewer:  And after kindergarten you go into the
853:  Regular school.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You've got the croup this morning.
853:  {NW} No I'll tell you what. {NS} Talking.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
853:  You know I have just not gotten to where in the last week or two since I was in the hospital. {NW} That I don't have to cough when I talk.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  And the doctor said I didn't get enough oxygen to my heart.
Interviewer:  Oh uh-huh.
853:  That's the reason I cough.
Interviewer:  Well you tell me if you get
853:  No it don't it doesn't hurt me but it's annoying to the other person more so than {NW} to me but if I breathe right. I don't do that so much.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Quick cough carry on all the time in the mornings particularly now it's not bad this morning but
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  Excuse me.
Interviewer:  I have I'm allergic to everything and
853:  I'm not.
Interviewer:  Oh be glad. {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  It is such a nuisance maybe you better get a glass of water.
853:  {NW} {NW} {NS} {NW}
Interviewer:  They come and take you to the hospital.
853:  Three o'clock in the morning the first time and seven the next time at night.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
853:  In the evening.
Interviewer:  Seems like they usually happen at night or in the evening you know.
853:  I know it I have to I take more medicine than you ever saw and I have to take a nitroglycerin tablet before I go to bed.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  My husband's father had a heart attack had several but it seemed like they were always at night.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  Hmm
Interviewer:  Strange {NW} Oh used to be in school children sat on benches but now they sit at
853:  Table.
Interviewer:  Well
853:  No they sit
Interviewer:  They sit
853:  Desk.
Interviewer:  Okay and each child has his own
853:  Desk.
Interviewer:  Okay and sometimes there'll be twenty or thirty in a group twenty or thirty
853:  Children.
Interviewer:  Well
853:  Desks?
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And if you want to check out a book you go to the?
853:  Library.
Interviewer:  And you mail a package at the
853:  Post office.
Interviewer:  And you stay overnight in a strange town at a
853:  Motel or hotel.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And the place where you go to see a play or a movie.
853:  Theater.
Interviewer:  Okay and um {NW} person in the hospital who wakes you up in the middle of the night and takes your pulse and gives you shots and stuff is a what?
853:  Hospital.
Interviewer:  The person who does this
853:  Oh he's a patient.
Interviewer:  A person who comes in and takes your pulse
853:  Oh do- A nurse.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 Nurse nurse #
Interviewer:  Okay um you go to catch a train at the what?
853:  Depot.
Interviewer:  Okay what's another word for depot?
853:  Station.
Interviewer:  Uh what kind of station?
853:  Railroad station.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  In the in the city around the courthouse uh what do you call that little area around the courthouse?
853:  Lawn.
Interviewer:  Okay um uh let's see oh say you got two streets like this they cross okay and buildings that would be like here and here you'd say they're across the street from each other
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  But if they were here and here
853:  Catty-corner.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Um # Now in Waco I guess they have buses for for public transportation but it used to be they had
853:  Street car.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh you might tell the bus driver next corner is where I want
853:  To get off.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NS} Used to punch a bus button you know. You do now I guess.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  I haven't ridden a bus I don't know either.
Interviewer:  Um does Waco have a county government for McLennan County?
853:  Have a county government?
Interviewer:  Have a county government.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  So Waco would be the what for McLennan County?
853:  {NW} {X} County seat.
Interviewer:  Okay and if you're an FBI agent you work for the federal?
853:  Government
Interviewer:  Okay and um a political candidate who wants the police to get tougher says he's for what?
853:  Wants to get tougher?
Interviewer:  He wants the police to get tougher so he's for
853:  He's for more service or
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  whatever. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Um #
853:  #2 {NW} # {NS} Now you're going to find out No I'll take that back {NW} I guess I know about as many places as the average.
Interviewer:  Probably probably so
853:  I read an awful lot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I listen to that radio all morning and the television all afternoon.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh that makes a difference.
853:  And clear to the new news goes off at ten o'clock ten thirty.
Interviewer:  I watch uh well I watch the today show do you watch the today show.
853:  I have uh-huh a lot #1 Of times #
Interviewer:  #2 I like # That and then I watch the news at night and then usually I watch ten o'clock news for the weather.
853:  Mm-hmm mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Sometimes I watch Johnny Carson.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Tonight show.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I like that stuff.
853:  Does your husband stay up that late too?
Interviewer:  {NW} No I'm the night owl he goes to bed he conks out about nine thirty.
853:  {NW} That sounds like John {B}
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I stay up he keeps why don't you go and go to bed and I'm like well I'm not sleepy and sometimes I stay up until one or two just because I'm not sleepy yet.
853:  Well do you get up and fix breakfast?
Interviewer:  Yeah he doesn't eat it but I fix it for me he doesn't like breakfast I've tried to get him to eat it and he won't eat breakfast.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  But I fix breakfast for myself because I have to have it.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I have to have two eggs and bacon and toast and all that stuff.
853:  Telling you
Interviewer:  Uh let's see name for me all the southern states you can think of.
853:  Ooh murder.
Interviewer:  Just just all you can think
853:  {NW} Of course we'd start with Texas.
Interviewer:  Course.
853:  Alabama Louisiana Mississippi Kentucky Uh Arkansas And uh Florida Louisiana I think I named that yeah {NW} And uh
Interviewer:  What's the place where they grow a lot of peaches?
853:  Where what?
Interviewer:  They grow a lot of peaches.
853:  Alabama.
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  Georgia. Georgia peaches
Interviewer:  And they've got north and south.
853:  Carolina North and South {NW} Uh well
Interviewer:  Um
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What's the state just north of Texas?
853:  Uh Kansas.
Interviewer:  Okay and Tulsa is in?
853:  Oklahoma.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh um Albany is in what state?
853:  Albany is in New York.
Interviewer:  Okay and Annapolis and Baltimore are in
853:  Maryland.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh Richmond is
853:  Virginia.
Interviewer:  Okay um think you got all of them Boston is in what state?
853:  Massachusetts.
Interviewer:  Okay and all those states from from Maine down to Connecticut are what do you call that area?
853:  Eastern
Interviewer:  Okay um let's see now these are cities uh the capital of the United States is
853:  Capital of United States?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Washington.
Interviewer:  Washington what?
853:  D-C
Interviewer:  Okay. #1 And #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  Uh the biggest city in Missouri?
853:  Is uh Let's see Missouri what?
Interviewer:  They got that big arch goes across the like the same side of the river I think and um {NW}
853:  Missouri. #1 Oh gracious #
Interviewer:  #2 I forgot the name of their baseball # Team.
853:  Any other time I could say it right up.
Interviewer:  Those baseball teams really ran so much
853:  #1 I've been there #
Interviewer:  #2 I can't remember what #
853:  #1 I #
Interviewer:  #2 Their team is #
853:  I've been there.
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What's a big city in Maryland?
853:  Maryland.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Well
Interviewer:  Any old city in Maryland?
853:  I don't know.
Interviewer:  Okay um name some big cities in the south just as many as
853:  Uh Houston and
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  And uh New Orleans.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  And oh Pensacola Florida.
Interviewer:  Okay um in Tennessee the city where they have all the country music?
853:  Yeah Nashville.
Interviewer:  Okay I'm going there next week.
853:  Are you?
Interviewer:  Yeah my husband's people live in Nashville.
853:  Well good.
Interviewer:  Going to see them.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Uh that's an awful pretty part of the country.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Lots of trees.
853:  Uh-huh it's real nice. I've been there. {NW} We've been in every direction.
Interviewer:  Oh have you I haven't been west I haven't been much west.
853:  Uh We've been we went the southern route to Oregon.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And came back we called it the lower route.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And came back through you know Nebraska and {NW} Colorado and all around through there and stopped along the way.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Well we took thirty days traveling
Interviewer:  Oh great have you been east?
853:  Well we've been to Arkansas and Missouri and {NW} uh Virginia and you know East.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Not uh. Not that'd be northeast or Northern part of it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But anyway Uh and down in Florida New Orleans.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah what's the capital of Louisiana it's just north of New Orleans?
853:  {NW} Well it isn't Louisiana I mean it- it isn't New Orleans is it?
Interviewer:  I don't think so um {NW} let's see oh what's that big city in the north where uh Al Capone had his rackets and uh Mayor Daley fellow just died a few months ago?
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  He was mayor of windy city what's that city?
853:  Hmm {NS} I can just When you said Mayor Daley it knocked all of the {NW}
Interviewer:  Short circuited everything.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  They don't have it in Texas I think we've been we've been discriminated against.
853:  Yeah {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh let me ask you about some countries um Dublin is in what country?
853:  Ireland.
Interviewer:  Okay and Paris is the capital of
853:  France.
Interviewer:  And Moscow is in
853:  Russia.
Interviewer:  Okay um what are some churches here in town?
853:  Oh there's the Presbyterian the Baptist and the Methodist and the {NW} Christ- Central Christian. #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay # If somebody becomes a member you'd say he
853:  A member of The Methodist or the Baptist?
Interviewer:  Okay if you're going to become a member next Sunday you say next Sunday I'm going to
853:  Join the church.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh and in church they pray to
853:  God.
Interviewer:  Okay uh and the preacher you might say delivered a fine
853:  Sermon.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh the choir and the organist provided good
853:  Music.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if you had to change a flat tire on the way to church one Sunday you might say we better hurry up or church will be over
853:  Before we can get there.
Interviewer:  Okay um what did people used to tell children would come and get them if they weren't good?
853:  Booger.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  You know what {NS} I think that's the cruelest thing I never would allow that.
Interviewer:  But you know when when I heard it one of my parents didn't tell me it was other kids.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Older kids.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Always you know older.
853:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 Kids # Always did
853:  Well I never would allow that my John's family did that my family didn't.
Interviewer:  I don't think it's good.
853:  You know what my they'd grab you off and set you in their lap {NW} and sit down and talk to you and tell you. Now that's not right that's a sin for you to {NW} take your brother's candy or whatever you {NW} stealing it's just as bad to steal from your brother as it is to steal from a stranger.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh You know whatever they'd get why if they had pencils. Maybe some of them wouldn't take care of them they'd just sharpen theirs away you know and everything. Well you'd get theirs and {NW} put it with your sharpener my brothers did.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And Papa would say now it's just as bad to steal from your brother
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  As it is from the Smith boys over yonder or the Hopkins.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  You don't do that.
Interviewer:  That's right.
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Um # What do you call that old fellow that they you just see pictures of him with horns and pitchfork?
853:  The devil.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Now is he the same as the booger man?
853:  Yeah that's what we considered.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh the same thing.
853:  Uh-huh. {NW} If you'd if they tell the booger man is going to get you you'd? Think of the devil.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh okay uh what is it that people think they see around a graveyard at night?
853:  Oh.
Interviewer:  They think they see it.
853:  Ghost.
Interviewer:  Okay what would you call a house that had those things in it?
853:  Haunted. {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh uh in the morning if you went outside and it was kind of cold you know you might say better put on a sweater it's getting
853:  Chilly out there.
Interviewer:  Okay um what would you say to a friend that you hadn't seen for a long time?
853:  Oh I'm so glad to see you.
Interviewer:  Okay uh {NS} Getting stuff I can spit but I have to
853:  Oh good.
Interviewer:  Yeah really uh toward the end it gets that way.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  How would you greet somebody about December twenty-fifth?
853:  I what?
Interviewer:  December 25th how would you greet somebody?
853:  Christmas gift.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay anything else you might say?
853:  Happy Christmas.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
853:  I guess that might be it.
Interviewer:  Okay what would you to somebody about January first?
853:  Well New Years gift or hi Happy New Year.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Not gift. {NW} Happy new year.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what would you to somebody by way of appreciation besides thank you you might say well think you I'm much uh?
853:  Appreciated.
Interviewer:  Okay um you might say you have to go downtown to do some?
853:  Shopping.
Interviewer:  Okay and so you went downtown and you bought something and the storekeeper took a piece of paper and he
853:  Wrapped it.
Interviewer:  Okay and when you got home you
853:  Unwrapped it and showed it off.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If the storekeeper was selling something for two dollars that he paid two fifty for he'd be selling at?
853:  A bargain.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  Or cheaper.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say that sure is a nice dress because I but I can't buy it because it
853:  Too high.
Interviewer:  Okay or it what too much can't buy that because it Hmm?
853:  Cost too much.
Interviewer:  Okay uh time to pay the bill you'd say the bill is
853:  Too high.
Interviewer:  Uh if it's time to pay it?
853:  Oh due.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And uh to stay in good standing in your club you have to pay your
853:  Dues.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Club dues.
Interviewer:  Uh if you wanted to cut your grass and you didn't have a lawn mower you might go next door ask to what?
853:  Buy a mower.
Interviewer:  Well just next door just going next door
853:  Oh next door I thought you said the store uh. To see if I could get them to cut my grass.
Interviewer:  Oh okay but you want to do it you just want to use their
853:  Borrow their mower.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Borrow.
Interviewer:  Uh you might say in the nineteen thirties money was
853:  Scarce.
Interviewer:  It was huh
853:  {NW} I mean.
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh do you ever have places around here where you can swim did y'all go swimming?
853:  {NW} Yes.
Interviewer:  Did you swim?
853:  No no. I'd get in the water with my young one. So I could watch her.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  But John was an excellent swimmer and he tried to teach her and did teach her and she didn't like it and {NW} after she her daughter got grown why she became {NW} one of the dolphins. At uh this uh Y-W-C-A.
Interviewer:  What's that?
853:  And she taught that's the expert swimmers and they had all kinds of uh formations you know {NW} and she taught swimming.
Interviewer:  Huh that's neat um what do you say what do you call that when somebody jumped off head first
853:  Dives
Interviewer:  Okay uh and if you did it yesterday you'd say yesterday he
853:  Dive Dove off
Interviewer:  Okay and if you dive in the water and you land on your stomach and you hit the water flat
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call that
853:  Belly dive
Interviewer:  Okay uh and you might say the kids are out on the grass turning
853:  Somersault
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if you buy something or pay your bills sometimes the storekeeper will give you a little something extra
853:  Uh-huh
Interviewer:  What do you call that something extra
853:  They got a prize
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 From # Paying your bill on time or
Interviewer:  Anybody ever do that around here
853:  Used to but not anymore
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  No You don't get your money's worth #1 Half the time #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah really # Uh {NW}
853:  No uh at my grocery store I trade by the month
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  Not many places you can do that
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
853:  #2 You know # But I've been trading Well Nearly fifty years
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  From this same family Now They're this one's daddy And this one went to school with my daughter
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  Still runs it see
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  And uh He'll always say get you some chewing gum {X} {B} Get you And he will uh You know If there's anybody in there I'll get my three packets of gum
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And sometimes he'll say {NW} Say Uh Here I want you to taste these these the best apples we've had in a long time
Interviewer:  Oh that's nice when somebody will tell you
853:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  {NW} Seems like half the time with produce you buy it you can't always tell if it's going to be good or not
853:  But you know he told me I said Marvin you shouldn't do that I I get full face value for my money. He said I know it but I know what you do with your money too. He said I know you've got one old lady that you nearly feed. Half of your grocery bill goes to her.
Interviewer:  This the lady next door over here.
853:  No {NW} I did.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  She gets a pretty good income now. {NW} I kept after her until she gets her veterans and she gets his social security.
Interviewer:  That's good.
853:  And then I took her down and made her take that boy as a dependent.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  He's a retarded child. I said you're entitled to it.
Interviewer:  That's right.
853:  She gets three uh pensions now.
Interviewer:  And he's a growing man he eats.
853:  Sure.
Interviewer:  What a growing man eats I guess
853:  Right and he's fifty odd years old {NW} big fat guy and he eats as much. One meal you and I'd eat two or three.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh Marvin says I know what you do with your money. And uh I of course uh We paid the last payment on their house for them.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Because {X} Got sick and {NW} Couldn't work and
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  John said now we've got to do something. And he and I'd go over there and cut the yard she'd sit and watch us mow. {NW}
Interviewer:  Well I think that was awful nice of you all but I don't understand that.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I mean I don't understand her
853:  No but uh they it was real good. It it was a good relation because he appreciated it she did too.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah
853:  Uh she's uh since I've been in the hospital these last two times uh she really looks after me I mean calls.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  You know if I'm not out If she don't see me go get my paper She'll say ms Terrell I didn't see you go get your paper how about Robert bringing it to you?
Interviewer:  Oh that's nice that's nice um if you can't swim uh you better not go in the water or you might?
853:  Drown.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say uh just last week somebody?
853:  Drowned.
Interviewer:  Okay and in fact many people had in the same spot
853:  Drowned right there.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what does a baby do before it's able to walk?
853:  Crawl.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say that sure would be a hard mountain to?
853:  Climb.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  I've climbed them.
Interviewer:  You have? {NW} Where have you climbed mountains?
853:  Well uh There's two or three pretty high ones in {NW} Arizona.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And I climbed about halfway up Mount Hood in that Oregon.
Interviewer:  I'm impressed have you ever been to Mount Scott in Oklahoma?
853:  No no.
Interviewer:  It's not very high.
853:  But uh Oh there's some high mountains in Arizona.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh yeah I bet there are we're going to climb some in Tennessee next week I hope Appalachian Trail goes through where we're going to be
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  You get on that and just climb {X}
853:  Yeah and we went to I forgot what mountain it was now in Ar- In Arkansas {NW} But we climbed a side of that mountain.
Interviewer:  In Arkansas?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Up in the north part?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  My grandparents used to live up there in the northwest corner there was a little bitty town called Rogers I don't know if you've ever been to Rogers but Rogers
853:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  It's real pretty up north of Fayetteville you know?
853:  {NW} They uh {NW} They have what they call Manzanita. No no uh Hmm Manzanita Bay is in Oregon. Well what's this out from Arizona out from Flagstaff {NW} and you like right straight up and they have ladders built up on the side of that mountain. {NW} And you'd go up there {NW} and go in and that is a thick heavy rock goes extends way back although it's flat back in there too. {NW} But you can go in and out of adobes where the Indians {NW} lived up there. {NW} And there's places where they'd still where they'd have fire {NW} And cook on the fire you know and they'd build tin skillets and pots that they'd cook in.
Interviewer:  Yeah I've heard of places like that I've never seen a place
853:  And I picked up a A Indian pot that they made out of you know clay and stuff you've seen them.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Indian pots and things I've got one up there {NW} I didn't pick it up up there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But uh I gave {X} That meant it had a little handle and you could tell it had been used.
Interviewer:  Huh that's neat.
853:  I picked it up in up in that {NW} forgot the name of that thing. {NW} We had a picnic {NS} was just beautiful.
Interviewer:  I wish I could see some place like that.
853:  But I'll tell you right now. When you scale that mountain looking right straight up it is right straight up just like putting a ladder up that wall. You feel like you're going to fall backwards.
Interviewer:  {NW} I can do without that thank you.
853:  And then when you got up there getting off that ladder into this hole that went into room.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And then when you come back and had to back {NW} down there and stick your feet and behind out first and oh gracious I forgot I was on this thing. {NW} And uh coming down that ladder was frightening.
Interviewer:  Indians probably did it everyday you know three or four times a day.
853:  Oh yes just
Interviewer:  Um what kind of uh childhood games did you play when you were a kid?
853:  Hopscotch and ring around the Rosie.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh what else?
853:  And baseball always baseball.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  My daddy was a professional player at that time.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Way back.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Uh-huh now uh when I say professional {NW} they didn't travel anywhere {NW} but he belonged to a a team that came out of Waco out in the country and got men to play you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 Yeah huh #
853:  #2 And and they'd # Play all over Texas.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Then
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Just Papa Ed {NW} Be gone there two or three times playing games you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah he probably enjoyed that.
853:  Oh yes he was a ball he was a pitcher. {NW}
Interviewer:  When y'all played ring around the Rosie how did you play it there are different ways to play it?
853:  I- I really about forgotten but {NW} it's uh ring around the Rosie and squat little Josie. {NW} And the one that squatted last well they had to get in the ring.
Interviewer:  Oh okay.
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Uh did you ever play hiding games?
853:  Hide and seek.
Interviewer:  Yeah how'd you play that I know there are different ways to play that?
853:  Well uh you would we'd take turns I guess we chose {NW} uh you'd be the one who'd have to count. And you'd have to count to so many {NW} we'd set a we'd say count to twenty-five.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then I'd run and hide all the rest would run and hide. {NW} And you'd find them. {NW} Well if I beat you back to the base
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Well then uh I didn't have to count you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the one that you caught and if you didn't catch nobody you just had to keep counting.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Until everybody somebody got caught.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what do you call that person who was doing the looking?
853:  That what?
Interviewer:  What do you call that person who was doing the looking who had to count did you have a name for that person?
853:  Well no you're the you're the one.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  You're the one you got to count.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh okay uh let's see the little child was singing his prayers you'd say he went over beside his bed and?
853:  Knelt down.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh you might say I feel pretty tired I think I'll go to the couch and?
853:  Take a nap.
Interviewer:  Okay uh you might say he really was he couldn't even sit up he just what in bed all day?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Just
853:  Just limber or sleep in the bed {NW} laying in the bed all day.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh a lot of times at night after you go to sleep you you what?
853:  Just lay awake.
Interviewer:  Well okay after you go to sleep though things that you see in your sleep you'd say you?
853:  Dream.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say I can't remember what I have?
853:  Dreamed.
Interviewer:  Okay uh did you dream anything last night?
853:  Yeah I did and what did I dream.
Interviewer:  I did but I don't remember what it was.
853:  I did too and I I remember my brother was there. And I didn't know he was going to be there I was in a crowd. I don't remember. But seemed like it was out in the front yard.
Interviewer:  I think I dreamed that I got lost.
853:  That was a bad omen. If they were out in my front yard.
Interviewer:  #1 Why is that bad? #
853:  #2 Because # They always Gather here for funerals and if a cousin or anybody dies well {NW} I send flowers and notify the family and they come up {NW} and they stay here.
Interviewer:  Huh
853:  And the men will stand out in the yard and talk and {NW} go around and look around and
Interviewer:  Well did they come here for weddings maybe it was a good omen?
853:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  We don't have any weddings. #1 Anymore #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh well #
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh you might say I dreamed I was falling but just as I was about to hit the ground I
853:  Woke up.
Interviewer:  Okay uh if a kid was going through the house going. {NS}
853:  Stomping
Interviewer:  Okay thing's rattling um if you are uh driving your car home from a party and you see a friend walking you might stop and say hey can I?
853:  Give you a lift.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh to get a boat up on the land you tie a rope to it and what?
853:  Pull it out of the
Interviewer:  Okay #1 And if your #
853:  #2 Water #
Interviewer:  Car gets stuck in the mud you might have to have somebody give you a
853:  Pull it out.
Interviewer:  Well #1 Or a #
853:  #2 {X} # Boost or bump. {NW} Push it out.
Interviewer:  Okay ever had that happen?
853:  Oh yes yes.
Interviewer:  What happened?
853:  My daddy always uh they every Sunday they'd come here.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And then he'd want to go riding.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And at that time we didn't have too many roads you know good roads.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he'd want to go down here and go through and go down {NW} the old Springfield road or the old {X} Road. {NW} And to walk in the bottom over in there was always muddy.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And mama would say now papa you're going to get down here and going to get John stuck. We'd get stuck and then we'd have to hunt a farmer to come with his mules and pull us out. And papa'd always make some kind of an excuse.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Yes yeah we {D: used stick}
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  Stuck on this road too.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
853:  It was a real {NW} It was the only road we didn't have this back here. That this one back here hadn't been there many years.
Interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  But this was a came right out of Elms street across the bridge. You know the {X} come right straight on out this. It'll lead you right out here.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And go right on out and now then you've been to into this Highway back here. {NW} And this is what they call of course the Ghana highway.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  This was the old {X} Road
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah um say you have a sack of groceries and you didn't have your car so you had to pick them up and?
853:  Carry them.
Interviewer:  Okay um you might tell a child that stove is very hot so don't?
853:  Touch.
Interviewer:  Okay uh if you wanted something that was in in the other room on a table you might say to a child would you go in there and and get that knife or whatever it was and?
853:  Bring it to me.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh # {NS} If you were about to punish a child he might say to you oh please give me another?
853:  Chance.
Interviewer:  Okay uh somebody who's always got a smile on his face and a pleasant word for everybody you'd say he always seems to be in a
853:  Such a good mood.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  Or humor.
Interviewer:  Okay uh if the doorbell rang you'd say where's that pesky salesman wait until I do what with him?
853:  Get rid of him.
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} Uh you might say that old so and so didn't know what was going on but he really knew what was going on but he?
853:  Let on like he didn't.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  Pretended.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If a if a boy left his best pencil on his desk at school and he came back and it wasn't there you'd say I bet somebody?
853:  Stole my pencil.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  You always got somebody to lay on something onto you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah that's right um if you um if you sent somebody a letter you might say well it's about time I was getting that?
853:  Answer.
Interviewer:  Okay uh do you write many letters?
853:  Good many.
Interviewer:  Yeah do you like writing letters?
853:  I don't. I used to.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah yeah #
853:  #2 {NW} # But I write to my brothers. Two brothers.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  I'm the only one that ever had
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  But I write to them every week or two.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And then if I don't hear from them I call them.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Talk to them.
Interviewer:  You might say Just yesterday I what a letter?
853:  Wrote a letter.
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Wrote a letter.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh let's see in fact I have what three this week?
853:  Have what?
Interviewer:  I have something three this week I have Hmm three letters this week.
853:  {NS} Three Letters to write this week.
Interviewer:  Okay but I have what would be the next word three letters I have.
853:  Answered.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Or answered three letters this week.
Interviewer:  Alright
853:  I guess.
Interviewer:  Uh if you're writing a letter you you put the letter in and you turn the envelope over and then you what?
853:  Address it
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say I know he lives in Houston but I don't know his exact
853:  Box number
Interviewer:  Okay uh things that children play with you'd call?
853:  Toys.
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Toys.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh did you ever use the word play-pretty?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Is that the same thing as a toy?
853:  Right.
Interviewer:  Well a little truck a toy truck would that be a play pretty?
853:  Yeah go in yonder and get your play-pretties and bring them in here.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Anything that was in a box. Mine always put hers away.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  From the time she was big enough I'd say now put your play-pretties up and put them in the box and mother will put them in the closet.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 That's good # She did that.
853:  Go in yonder and get your play-pretties. {NS}
Interviewer:  You might say you can't drive through there the highway department's got their machines there and the roads are all.
853:  Blocked.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  Torn up.
Interviewer:  Okay and um if you gave somebody a bracelet but you were just sitting there looking at it you know might say well don't just look at it go ahead and?
853:  Put it on.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You might say every time those two boys got together they would
853:  Fighting.
Interviewer:  Okay and yesterday in fact they
853:  They what?
Interviewer:  In fact yesterday they
853:  Had a fight.
Interviewer:  Okay uh and you might say she took a big knife and she
853:  Hacked him. Hit him cut him stabbed him.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  All that. {NW}
853:  All that either one I guess will do
Interviewer:  Yeah say a teacher comes in and there's a funny picture on the blackboard she'd say okay who
853:  Drew that picture.
Interviewer:  Okay and if you were going to lift something like a piece of machinery up on a roof you'd take a a pulley blocks and a rope to
853:  Hoist it.
Interviewer:  Okay and let's see {NS} Okay would you count from one to twenty for me slowly.
853:  One to what
Interviewer:  Twenty
853:  One two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty
Interviewer:  Okay and the number
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  After twenty-nine is
853:  Thirty
Interviewer:  And the number after thirty-nine is
853:  Forty
Interviewer:  And after sixty-nine
853:  Seventy
Interviewer:  And after ninety-nine
853:  A hundred
Interviewer:  And ten times a hundred would be
853:  Thousand
Interviewer:  And ten times a hundred thousand is
853:  Ten thousand
Interviewer:  Okay more than that
853:  Twenty thousand
Interviewer:  Well past the thousands you have that man is so rich he's a
853:  Millionaire.
Interviewer:  Okay uh say you had a line of people and the last person was the eleventh person so the person in front of him would be the?
853:  Tenth.
Interviewer:  Okay and the one in front of him would be the
853:  Ninth.
Interviewer:  And in front of hims
853:  Eighth.
Interviewer:  And then in front of him
853:  Seventh.
Interviewer:  And then
853:  Sixth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Five.
Interviewer:  Uh no he'd be the sixth man and the next would be the
853:  Five
Interviewer:  The the what man
853:  Fifth.
Interviewer:  Okay and the next would be the
853:  Fourth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh and then
853:  Third.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Second.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  And one.
Interviewer:  Uh after the second would be the
853:  One.
Interviewer:  The you'd say
853:  First man.
Interviewer:  Okay #1 Uh #
853:  #2 You know #
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Something
Interviewer:  {NW} And uh sometimes you feel like good luck comes just a little at a time but bad luck comes what?
853:  Ins- All in a A little bad luck Luck comes in Swarms or
Interviewer:  Okay or it comes all at
853:  One time
Interviewer:  Okay and uh name the months of the year for me #1 Any order #
853:  #2 Janu- # {NW} January February March April May June {NW} July August September October November December
Interviewer:  Okay and the days of the week
853:  Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday
Interviewer:  Okay and if you meet someone about eleven o'clock in the daytime you'd what would you say to them?
853:  Morning Good morning.
Interviewer:  Okay and after you stopped saying good morning what do you say?
853:  E- Afternoon
Interviewer:  Okay and how long does afternoon last?
853:  Until six P M.
Interviewer:  Okay and then after that what do you say?
853:  Evening.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh how would you greet somebody besides just hello that you could say any time of day?
853:  Well you you'd just say howdy.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Or hello Howdy do
Interviewer:  Okay um what would you say when you're saying goodbye when you leave somebody's house after dark?
853:  Well bye bye.
Interviewer:  Okay anything besides just goodbye?
853:  Well you could say well goodnight I'm going to say goodnight.
Interviewer:  Okay okay if you start to work before daylight you'd say we started to work before sun?
853:  Rise
Interviewer:  Okay and uh you might say uh we started before sunrise and we worked until after
853:  Dark.
Interviewer:  Okay or after sun
853:  {NW} Set.
Interviewer:  Okay uh and this morning when we got out to work the sun had already?
853:  Risen.
Interviewer:  Okay and and yesterday in fact uh it what about the same time
853:  Arose about Rose about the same time.
Interviewer:  Okay what day is it is this Thursday?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay so today is Thursday then Wednesday was Thursday is today Wednesday was
853:  Yesterday
Interviewer:  And {NS}