interviewer:  {NW} {X} electrical engineer. That's all about this stuff. Whenever something didn't work, first thing he does it to pound on it.
853:  uh-huh
interviewer:  And works. Usually
853:  well {NW} {NW}
interviewer:  Miss Terrell, could I get you to tell me your whole name for the tape?
853:  Uh Wait a minute. Now let me ask you. Do Just like I get on my mail.
interviewer:  Yeah Oh Well
853:  Which way?
interviewer:  Tell me Tell me your first name first, and then your maiden name.
853:  Essie Okay E-S-S-I-E. Essie {B}
interviewer:  How do I spell that?
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
interviewer:  Two r's?
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  And Would you give me the address here since I followed her out I don't know the address?
853:  {B} {B} {B}
interviewer:  Okay. Thank you.
853:  Um-hmm {B} {B} {B} {B}
interviewer:  Okay. Uh {NW} And tell me again now where you were born?
853:  I was born at Bosqueville.
interviewer:  Okay. And how far is that from here?
853:  Oh, I'd say From Waco The city limits of Waco over town if you went out North nineteenth, it would be about twelve miles, I think.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. How do you spell Bosqueville?
853:  B-O-S-Q-U-E V-I double L-E.
interviewer:  And you are eighty-one, is that right?
853:  Uh, I'll be eighty one in October but just put eighty.
interviewer:  All right. {NW} Let's not stretch it any more than necessary.
853:  No. {NS} {NW}
interviewer:  Oh. What church did you tell me went to?
853:  Uh. Shh- {D: Farksh} memorial methodist. You may not want nothing but methodist.
interviewer:  That's enough. Um What should I put for occupation?
853:  Uh gosh I'd say housewife.
interviewer:  Alrighty.
853:  Proud of it. #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 All right. #
853:  I used be when I had a husband take care of, I could say in proud to say.
interviewer:  Did you ever, did you ever do any other kind of work, like did you ever work outside?
853:  I used to manage a flower shop. Floral shop. Florist or whatever you say.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {D: in Belle Mead}
interviewer:  How Um How long, how many years did you do that?
853:  Three.
interviewer:  Okay. Ever do anything else?
853:  No. {X}
interviewer:  Tell me about Bellmead. It's, it's kind of a suburb now I guess
853:  Yes it is. Although it is a You know, it's independent. It's not uh connected with Waco. I mean they have way our own system and everything. {NW} When I moved out here Uh Well, when I married in {D: Lu} down here I could count the houses between here and Waco. It was a old family home and this one right cross over there and me and one across over yonder and then they tore it down but one over there. And then there was no more until you got way down in Bellmead. And we have what we called {B} lane.
interviewer:  Um-hmm
853:  And a man with a name {D: Mohnmaha} {B} lived down near there. And that's where {B} lane got its name.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And they lived in a big two-story house.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then on down in the flat further was some colored people and they had a good grocery store.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And their names were {D: Heir} Ah {B}
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And they had a boy named Harrison. {NW} And I've been told that that's where Harrison street got its name.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Now I never knew that to be a fact.
interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  But I always thought that uh It was named after an old gentleman by the name of Harris that used to live in Bellmead.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they just added Harrison street.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  But I I've been told by several people that it was named after Harrison's {B}
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Colored man.
interviewer:  {X}
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  Oh this, this used to be farm here?
853:  Yes, yes, uh-huh. There was no houses here. We built down here in the house on the other end just before we went into the other hallway.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Go up here and you go into to the sideway back here.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And there were thirty odd acres. Here.
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And we built on a la- of John's mother gave us {X} he and his brothers and sister deeded us an acre of land and we built houses.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And that was in nineteen seventeen.
interviewer:  #1 When you moved into this house? #
853:  #2 {NW} # Sixth day of March.
interviewer:  {NW} {D: 1950, five years.} Ah And you lived up until that time in Bosqueville, is that right?
853:  Uh Yes. Uh-huh.
interviewer:  How old were you when you lived here?
853:  I was twenty-two and I was married, of course. But uh I moved from Bosqueville in nineteen hundred and four.
interviewer:  Oh, where did you move to?
853:  Moved to {D:Chuckblock.}
interviewer:  Where is there?
853:  And we It's right on the {D: Ethio} Dallas highway and you cut through then an access road goes over to Boston, {D: Chuckblock}. And uh My baby sister was born in nineteen, December nineteen and four.
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And when she was three weeks old, we had a boat and we lived on the river at farm on that opposite side. And we moved across all the kids and I had a big family.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  There were eleven of us.
interviewer:  Oh my goodness. You did have a big family.
853:  And this baby was three weeks old and we came over in a boat.
interviewer:  Oh dear
853:  And then Of course the furniture and stuff was moved around by a town head came out, you known in a wagon.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 In wagons of course #
interviewer:  #1 Yeah, yeah. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  Well, um How long did you live there then?
853:  Uh, {D: Chumpla?}
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I lived there until from nineteen hundred and four to nineteen hundred and uh, ten.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Then where did you live?
853:  And we moved between here and Waco is what they called the old poor house.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {D: County} farm.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they uh The people in the {D: junt} people that they lived there, you know. They, they took them in just like welfare on welfare now you know
interviewer:  Um-hmm
853:  distributed them here there and yonder And uh My father was a {X} county farm until nineteen seventeen when I married and moved out here
interviewer:  Oh I see. Awesome.
853:  And I was, I like from Uh August, I married in August till December being twenty-two when I married.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 So # I did, I've not moved very many times.
interviewer:  That's true. Yeah. That's true. How far from Waco is {D: Chuckim}?
853:  {D:Chalkblock?}
interviewer:  {D:Chalkblock. Chalkblock.}
853:  Ha, It's supposed to be a eight, about eight miles.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Not very far.
interviewer:  Yeah. It's pretty close.
853:  My husband's buried there and my father and mother brother, two sisters
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Nieces and nephews In the white In the more cemetery. I start saying white brow but {B} cemetery.
interviewer:  Is {B} family name and is
853:  Yes. Uh the {B} Uh Owned all that land where the cemetery {D: isn't that gave up} several acres their far of cemetery.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they named it after the family who donated the land.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Oh I see. I see. #1 Um. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  How many um, uh {NW} Where, where all did you go to school? When you were going to school where did you go school to?
853:  Well we went to my first year was at Bosqueville.
interviewer:  Um Okay.
853:  And I went there Uh Several years, three or four years and then we moved to {D:Chockblock}. And I went to {D:Chockblock} then till I was fourteen and we moved to the poor farm #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  And I went to school in East Waco on Turner street. School.
interviewer:  How many years did you go then?
853:  Oh I went {X} to the eighth grade and quit. That's really now I told you I wasn't very smart.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  I don't know. {D: You may be smarter than anybody else} {NW}
853:  Well, I'll tell you. All I know came out of a book. I read anything and everything I get in my hands on.
interviewer:  #1 Is that right you've been #
853:  #2 and always have. #
interviewer:  You're a big reader, huh?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Okay. And I, I as I tell them, they used to my teacher in East Waco, when I started to East Waco The principal of that school had fought in the civil war with my granddad. How neat
853:  And he loved me to death, old professor {B} and he take me to Waco high and helped me to diagram sentences and I was terrified.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 I wasn't big as a minute. #
interviewer:  My goodness. I guess {NW} My goodness.
853:  And he take me all that to show them how I can diagram sentences.
interviewer:  They're kind of on display, huh?
853:  Oh, yes.
interviewer:  Star pupil.
853:  And he really honest to goodness When he got sick, I went everyday to see that old man.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  He had no children.
interviewer:  Oh, um. Yeah.
853:  And he told his wife one time. He said if, if uh she wants anything in this house, give it to her.
interviewer:  Oh, how sweet.
853:  He really did. And I did him, too. He had a beard. Old, long white beard.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW} And he'd tell me about grandpa and him fighting in the civil war, you know.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. Did he remember any of the stuff, #
853:  #2 Oh, yes. #
interviewer:  Do you remember any of the stories?
853:  He said one time they uh The enemy then all them soldiers were sneaking up on 'em And they uh were watching, you know and they was gonna charge. And the for some reason grandpa didn't understand what they whoever they boss was the officer in charge and he thought he said charge and he charged by himself.
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
853:  #2 And from there after he said that # regiment or whatever it was was called {B} charge.
interviewer:  {NW} How neat!
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  That's great!
853:  And he'd tell all about that. He'd just die laughing.
interviewer:  Where was your grandfather from?
853:  Missouri.
interviewer:  What
853:  Suda, Sudafed Missouri.
interviewer:  Oh. Let me see. Was it your father's father or your mother's
853:  My father's father.
interviewer:  Okay.Um-hmm.
853:  Yeah. He was a great guy. I can barely remember him. I was uh eight or ten years old when granddad died but I remember.
interviewer:  What uh, What thing, what did he do there? Was he a farmer or do you know?
853:  Yes. He had a farm out at Bosqueville. Big farm. {NW} And when my mother and daddy married my mother lived in Axtell.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. How, how far away is that?
853:  Oh. It's just about seven or eight miles drive straight out the This was called an extra road that led you right into Axtell. When I moved here.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {X} And I just last year had my address changed and telephone number.
interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  This, this year. It's the first time there has been a telephone.
interviewer:  Is that right? Oh
853:  And it was the old Axtell road.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And uh, Mama
interviewer:  Is that where she was born?
853:  No. My mother was born in Houston.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  {NW} My grandmothers My mother's grandfather
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Uh was a an engineer that helped build the Panama canal.
interviewer:  No kidding!
853:  And my grandmother was born and grown in England. And they came to America and granddad got her her father her my mother's grandfather got lost in an explosion during the some kind of something and they came on to Texas by boat and landed in Houston.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Well at one time my grandmother my mother's mother owned a {D: in the whole} creation where Tom Boyle oil field is and where uh Houston is {D:proper, property} belong to their to the {B}
interviewer:  Uh-huh. That was your mother's maiden name?
853:  Yes. No, no. My mother's maiden name was {B}
interviewer:  Oh. Okay. Your mother's, what was her first name?
853:  Eliza.
interviewer:  How do I spell that with
853:  E-L-I-Z-A. {NW} Um-hmm. Eliza.
interviewer:  And then her uh #1 her mother's name then was Ben- #
853:  #2 What #
interviewer:  {B}
853:  Uh-huh. Moses {B} And my mother's grandmother led the grand march with the uh the governor of Texas, who, who was who was it, first one.
interviewer:  Ah. #1 I don't know. #
853:  #2 Oh, #
interviewer:  #1 We should ignore #
853:  #2 Mercy #
interviewer:  {X}
853:  But anyway,
interviewer:  The first governor of Texas.
853:  Uh-huh. They had a the Inaugural Ball
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then they read uh
interviewer:  How exciting.
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  How exciting!
853:  {NW} Grandma used to tell me about it and she let all this Tomball oil field go for taxes. She let her taxes go. And she tried to get us save her You know it was just acrid there down in there in the swamp. And uh She told John if he would pay the taxes just owed a hundred dollars.
interviewer:  Yeah. Several years back taxes. Yeah.
853:  #1 And he wouldn't do it and I begged him to oh no I can't do it. #
interviewer:  #2 Oh, dare. #
853:  Now today uh I own fifteen acres of that Tomball.
interviewer:  Oh, do you?
853:  Yes, uh My mother find little squatter's got it. And my brother went down and got a straightened out and mama got quite a little bit back collecting. And uh, then when my mother died, well, we sold it to the highest bidder. And one of our brother-in-laws, our baby-sister's husband bought it.
interviewer:  Oh!
853:  Was the highest bidder.
interviewer:  Isn't that funny? {NW}
853:  Yeah. And uh I've raised her. Nearly, you might say.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  She, I was at home, and I was the only girl at home, and I ragged her, I weaned her.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {X} {D:Head East} and everything and uh when she died uh This August be two years ago.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  She willed that land to me and I
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Uh-huh. And I I get to {X}
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Sometimes it's extortionate and sometimes it drops a little. Yeah.
853:  Fluctuates, you know with crude oil and all that kinds of things.
interviewer:  Yeah. When they bought that land, they bought every {X} when they first bought it?
853:  Uh-huh. And uh then you see, my mother's mother before she was born,
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Married, uh one of the {B} who owned their own half of Houston yet.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They are the one of the most prominent families, they were from France.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they used to come up and visit with us. And, and my grandmother, my mother's mother had one son My {B}.
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And he died with yellow fever during that epidemic when they had it so bad down in there.
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And they in gro-, they came to Waco, moved to Axtell rather. And my mother, 's mother married {B} and then my mother was born, see.
interviewer:  #1 I see. Okay. And you know a lot about this, I'm having trouble keeping it all straight. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  You know more about your family than I know about mine. I don't think I don't know much about mine.
853:  Oh, I, uh Well, I always liked and I'll tell you one reason. Uh, I probably outside of one sister She's greedy about things like that she liked to hear about 'em.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh But my mother lived with me nearly eight years after my daddy died.
interviewer:  Oh huh?
853:  And we'd sit for hours and we read the bible through several times.
interviewer:  Oh boy.
853:  And uh she was a bible student, she taught Sunday school always and
interviewer:  Uh
853:  Yet, uh never got all of the third or fourth grade when going school. Mama would be hundred and eh, she were alive today mama would be a hundred and eleven years old.
interviewer:  Um. Goodness. How, how old was she when she moved to Axtell?
853:  I think she would might have been just maybe four or five years old. I really don't know.
interviewer:  How do you spell Axtell?
853:  A-X-T-E-L-L.
interviewer:  Okay. Um
853:  You know my My mother's mother, my grandmother.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Uh was the first and the only woman when they left England that had been allowed to go to Oxford college. It was a man's college in a
interviewer:  That gives me cold chill.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  That is wonderful!
853:  And, but she uh, out grew whatever college of whatever they had there or facilities for education anyway And she went her last year to Oxford college.
interviewer:  Oh, that just thrills me. That is just so wonderful.
853:  She was a smart person.
interviewer:  Do you have any idea what year that was?
853:  Oh, gracious, no. I sure don't
interviewer:  It's been a long time.
853:  Grandmother liked uh I forgot what year she died now she liked uh She like much been a hundred years old.
interviewer:  is that right?
853:  She, I think she was about ninety, S- eight seven.
interviewer:  You come from the long-lived family {NW}.
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  But now my mother and daddy, um my mother was uh seventy-six in June and she died in August. And my daddy died five days beyond seventy-six.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  And I have a brother lives in Austin and he don't have hardly a gray hair. And he's, uh, he'll be eighty-seven in November.
interviewer:  {NW} That's great.
853:  Where is she told me from is up here is not long back. He wears the same uh, size suit he wore when he was twenty-five.
interviewer:  Oh, I'm so impressed. {NW} I don't know if my husband wears the same size suit he wore when he was twenty-five and my husband's only thirty-one. #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 That's marvelous. #
853:  #2 He's a # He's a dandy.
interviewer:  He is.
853:  He's a a very fine person.
interviewer:  Was your mother able to work outside the home?
853:  #1 No. #
853:  #2 {C: whispering} #
interviewer:  Okay. Where was your father born?
853:  What? Back one?
interviewer:  Where was your father born?
853:  In Sedalia, Missouri.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  He was uh four years old during the civil war.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  And uh One of their neighbors {NW} I'll, I'll give you all to you while I'm at it.
interviewer:  Okay. Good. Do.
853:  One of their neighbors, man deserted the the Southern army and went to the North.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they lived on a creek. My grandmother. Uh My daddy's mother. And he was four years old as I told you.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  See. And he, his daddy went off to war, see.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he was gone, and this neighbor man with the northern soldiers came back in. And they cut all their feather beds and let the feathers out and they killed all their hogs and chickens and cattle.
interviewer:  That's terrible!
853:  {D: just you know just for meanness} And grandpa said if I ever come home, I'm going to kill him.
interviewer:  Man.
853:  To, in Missouri.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And that's how I come in Texas, he did.
interviewer:  Oh!
853:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Ooh. {NW} {NW} Oh dear {NW} Oh, he killed him and then they had to leave right then.
853:  Indeed, at night. {NW}
interviewer:  Ah I love it. That's the most marvelous story.
853:  #1 Oh no. #
interviewer:  #2 It's fantastic! #
853:  Not really.
interviewer:  {NW} That's great! Well uh, how old was your father when they came to you?
853:  When they came Texas?
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I think, uh They came as soon as the war was over.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He was four during He was four before about the time the war broke out.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  And then uh It went on four years, didn't it?
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. So he would have been #1 eight #
853:  #2 about # nearly four years
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He was nearly seven years old, I'd say. I don't have no idea.
interviewer:  Okay. How many grades did he go to? Do you know?
853:  I, I imagine fourth or fifth. That was about standard then.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Way back there. See, papa was six years older than mama
interviewer:  Oh, is that right?
853:  Uh-huh. So,
interviewer:  What, he was a farmer? #1 Then {X} #
853:  #2 Yes. #
interviewer:  Okay. Did he ever do anything else?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  Did he ever do anything else?
853:  Yes, everything. {NW} He uh, in nineteen-hundred, he worked for the county and he had charge of the counter-road gang, which were prisoners. And he worked all the roads and certain districts, you know like we have now.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Uh, he worked the prisoners keep the roads up. And then he moved to town, moved uh to Bosqueville. And he was constable. Out in that territory. And then after that he was uh elected I mean he, uh, was a deputy sheriff. For {D: Lester Seagall} And then he got sick and he was getting older you know. And so he was jailer for many years. And he was uh you probably heard of Roy Mitchell killed so many people and they hung him here.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well, papa was jailer when Roy Mitchell was in there.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And when they hung Roy Mitchell I went out and watched him hang.
interviewer:  No kidding!
853:  And I standing close enough that the doctor, doctor McCormick was the county doctor. And he always thought I was named after my daddy. My name was Essie you know,
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And he called me Jessie because papa's name was {D: Jess Abbott}
interviewer:  Oh. Uh-huh.
853:  And he thought that I was he called me Miss Jessie.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He said, hold it Miss Jessie he was kinda turning, wiggling. And I held his britches while they held, see when he died.
interviewer:  My goodness.
853:  I liked to died after that, too. I never would do that again.
interviewer:  Really was it bad? Was bad to watch? Terrible, terrible. Yeah.
853:  Terrible.
interviewer:  I've never seen anything like
853:  But that was a Ugliest vilest mad person.
interviewer:  Yeah. Probably had it coming
853:  Oh, he was awful
interviewer:  Thing about he does
853:  He killed a whole bunch of people. I had a friend the other day brought me Uh my daddy wouldn't go down watch him hang.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Wouldn't go up rather. And uh {NW} Lester Seagall was the sheriff, was At that time and he's the one that pull the thing, but I've got his picture that they brought to me the other day of him being hanged.
interviewer:  Is that right. Did you get the picture?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  Did you get the picture?
853:  No.
interviewer:  You're just out of it, right?
853:  I was down here and this is up there when they were tying his legs and tying his hands and
interviewer:  Uh
853:  Putting the thing on him and everything.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You said your father wouldn't go up to see him hanged, what do you mean
853:  Well, they had, they built a platform
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  See, so that he drop through.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  And uh, we stood down here oh there must have been six seven thousand people that swarmed in there. They curtained it off but they couldn't keep 'em from
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they came in and saw it. And uh mama wouldn't go, of course of course old me. My uncle, he was a mounted policeman.
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Papa's brother. And he and his wife went and he stood between his wife and myself and Hung on to it. He said, you girl allowed to faint. I said not me.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  But I dearly wanted to.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  It was terrible.
interviewer:  Tell me about your brothers and sisters. Where did you come in and all these.
853:  I'm, there's seven ahead of me.
interviewer:  No kidding.
853:  Seven older than me.
interviewer:  Yeah. How many boys, how many girls?
853:  There was six girls and five boys.
interviewer:  Just about even.
853:  And all lived to be grown and married. Except one.
interviewer:  #1 That's remarkable. #
853:  #2 And uh # she died when she was about three years old of the measles.
interviewer:  Oh. Okay, okay. {NW}
853:  And she was a way ahead of me.
interviewer:  Oh. Okay. Did you did ever, did you know her, you didn't know her.
853:  No, I didn't. No, no. She was born before I was, I mean died before I was born.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. What were all their names?
853:  Oh well, the first one she died last year and she was ninety three years old.
interviewer:  Oh my goodness.
853:  And uh, the first one was Lily. Then the next one was Betty. Then the next one was the little baby that died, Mally. And then there's Wills, brother. And then there was Charlie, and Jess and Lee and Essie, and John. John Baker. And Tommy Ree and Velma.
interviewer:  Goodness. That's eleven. Makes you wonder how they ever thought of names for all those
853:  I don't know. But uh, I used, used to just hate my name but I kind of like it.
interviewer:  Ah, I like it. I like it.
853:  And uh I have a sister that willed me that land. My uh, middle name was uh, Dell. Essie Dell.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And when she was little, she always called me Essie Dell.
interviewer:  {NW} In the whole thing.
853:  And she put that in that will That from that, lawyer. Who got all her pay her estate and everything fixed up. He laughed about her putting all that in there Essie Dell {B}
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  That's where I'm getting my check.
interviewer:  #1 Just that way written all out like - that's funny. #
853:  #2 Good, right. # {NW}
interviewer:  Uh let's see Your um What you said your grandmother on your mother's side was born and raised in England, is that right?
853:  What?
interviewer:  Your grandmother on your mother's side was born and raised in England
853:  Yes. She was born.
interviewer:  were all her people from there before?
853:  Yes.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh-huh. As far as I know that uh they were the only ones that ever came to America. No, now she had a uh her daddy had a brother that came. He was a a priest.
interviewer:  Uh, do you have any idea what they did for a living? over there? What they did for a living up there?
853:  I don't know. I really don't know.
interviewer:  Uh Do you have any idea where your, uh, father's parents were from before they were in um Missouri?
853:  They was born, raised there. There's still a bunch of their his family there.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  right
853:  Uh, I used to correspond with him before papa died uh
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Write for him or Sometimes, well he wrote until he got sick and then I'd write.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh
853:  And uh
interviewer:  Anybody ever say where they came from before they
853:  No, no that's all I ever knew.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  Of Missouri.
interviewer:  Um, let's see. {NW} Uh Did you ever, uh, did you ever go to any clubs or anything like that?
853:  {NW} I belong to the home demonstration club. I went two years to a short course at the A and M
interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  And I was assistant to the home demonstration agent. Without authority, I guess you would say for the girls club over the county.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  When they had the girls clubs, you know forest clubs. Yeah. And I taught them basketry and how to can a preserve and sewing Do everything but I took a sh- two years I went to A and M and took a short course. After the school proper was out. And we could use the dormitories. There was fifteen hundred women there one year.
interviewer:  Wow.
853:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 That's a lot. #
853:  From all the state, you know.
interviewer:  Yeah. There must be something going on at Baylor right now.
853:  It, they're, they're baptists, the baptist ladies.
interviewer:  Ah
853:  And it sits up state.
interviewer:  Yeah. Well, I'm set besides the, I'm staying at a motel and that sets beside the ninety six one over there and they were talking to them to the waiter, you know, and they had come into somewhere Breckinridge or some place, and they were,
853:  Now I, I kept thinking maybe Uh Let John's niece, he has two nieces that comes every year from out west.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  To that.
interviewer:  Oh, I see.
853:  And I thought maybe they might come out or I'd hear from 'em.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  They might not have come this year, you know but.
interviewer:  Uh How old was your husband when he died?
853:  He, uh Let me, he died the twenty-eighth of June Wait a minute. Let me see now. Uh, he was seventy five?
interviewer:  Okay. Was he a methodist, too?
853:  Yes. He had the men's bible class.
interviewer:  And did you tell me that he was born right here on this land #1 or brought out here? #
853:  #2 No. # No, this, they He was born down close to to the city limits of Waco.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  But they moved out here pretty soon. He was raised on this land.
interviewer:  Oh, I see. Where all uh did you all what all places did y'all visit on vacation, besides Arizona? {NW} #1 I guess that was more than the vacation. #
853:  #2 Everywhere. # I'm from Oregon On. We'd, we visited everywhere.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  My brother lived in Oregon. He was a traveling engineer. And he's had a his office there in Portland and we went there twice.
interviewer:  Is that right? Have you been uh Have you been east? Like {D: Becky's}?
853:  Been to Ar-Arkansas, Missouri, and Kansas.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  Oklahoma.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. Ever been to Colorado?
853:  Yes, several times.
interviewer:  That's my favorite place.
853:  Is it?
interviewer:  Oh, yes. I wish I were there now. It's so hot here. #1 Oh, it used, supposed to be cool there. #
853:  #2 I know it. # It's really cool.
interviewer:  Yeah. I had a friend who spent three weeks there this summer, she lives in Austin. And she said boy it was really nice.
853:  I know. You know I have a nephew's wife, he died last year in Phoenix, Arizona.
interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And my brother and his wife were up here the other day and they had talked her and it was one hundred and twenty.
interviewer:  {NW} oh that's bad.
853:  Wouldn't you hate to live there?
interviewer:  Oh, yeah. It's terrible.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Um Tell me. Uh Where were, where was your um where are your husband's folks from. Were they from right around here?
853:  Uh Well now his, I told you, his people uh came from Georgia.
interviewer:  Oh, that's right.
853:  No, wait a minute, wait a minute now.
interviewer:  All right, all right. {NW}
853:  His
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  #1 His, his #
interviewer:  #2 Or he's just Australian. #
853:  That later generation that we knew anything about came from Virginia.
interviewer:  Oh, I see. Okay.
853:  Uh-huh. From Virginia.
interviewer:  And it was his what, great grandfather who came from Georgia?
853:  He was an, they were Indian.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. I wish I had the picture of his grandfather. Mother's daddy looked just like an Indian.
interviewer:  Was he, do you know what tribe he was? Do you have any idea?
853:  Uh wait a minute. I certainly I do. Cherokee.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  I'm nearly sure. Oh, Lord, they'd cut my throat if they knew I was wrong.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 When they # {NW}
interviewer:  They would!
853:  #1 That's right. To #
interviewer:  #2 They'd come to get your hair. #
853:  Yeah. This uh This sister John's sister lives up the street. And I told us when I said I should've had heard you, you know,
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But She don't know any more about it than I do and
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. It's all been so far back, you know, or #
853:  #2 {NW} # Yeah.
interviewer:  Well, uh let's see. Which um When you were growing up, let's see. How old were you when you moved away from Bosqueville?
853:  I was um I like a little being eight years old.
interviewer:  Do you remember the house you lived in?
853:  Oh yeah. I've been out there a lot of times.
interviewer:  No kidding!
853:  Uh-uh. {D: Up and back.}
interviewer:  Can you draw me a floor plan? #1 floor plan? #
853:  #2 Oh, no, I # couldn't draw a #1 straight line. #
interviewer:  #2 Then don't # draw a good picture. I just want arrange, the {D:rate of range} arranged.
853:  No.
interviewer:  Like if you take your roof off, you could just look down at it?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  If you, if you were to take the roof of the house off you know and just look down on the all where the rooms were? One thing we'd like to get is you know the arrangement of a, of,
853:  {D: Isn't she} wonderful?
interviewer:  Is that a mail? That's, that's good. I wish I had somebody to look after me like that. Well, um. What I'd like to know is the way the rooms were arranged in the house you remember best.
853:  Well.
interviewer:  Here.
853:  I, I-
interviewer:  Give it a try!
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  Give it a try.
853:  #1 Try? Oh, I can't draw. #
interviewer:  #2 Oh, why can't you can draw. #
853:  No.
interviewer:  Just, just kind of show me where the rooms were.
853:  Well, now
interviewer:  I won't look till you get through it.
853:  The, the porch was just a little old straight porch at the front.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  This is not writing. Yeah, I guess it is there we go. And then uh y- you went on this into a big, old hall went all the way through there.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And then the rooms was on either side, you know.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They had no living rooms or anything, you knew that.
interviewer:  Yeah, well
853:  You had the, you utilized every room for sleeping.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  But you know, you'd go down this hall and oh, wow. Yeah, I guess I am.
interviewer:  So far so good. That looks alright to me.
853:  And then uh you go into a room, see. Here's a room we'd say. Here's a room and same way on each side.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I was gonna draw that hall down through that, that's all down through there.
interviewer:  Yeah. Okay.
853:  And then, uh You know, I I got to have my glasses changed. I'm not, I'm not seeing, isn't that something?
interviewer:  Oh, dear
853:  Uh
interviewer:  #1 Do you wanna borrow #
853:  #2 And then #
interviewer:  mine? Maybe mine?
853:  No, goodness. I have cataract operation.
interviewer:  #1 Oh well, mine probably wouldn't be #
853:  #2 Then you see # back here on the back end was an old, was a long kitchen.
interviewer:  All the way cross the back?
853:  Yeah. All. You went down these rooms, you know, to sleep in them.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Clean up, clean up that old big wide hall. Wide as this.
interviewer:  Wow. That was a big hall.
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh Then you went back there into the kitchen and had your own wood stove and everything over here and over in this end a great long table and two benches
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And papa slept, ate at one end, mama at the other. In that big old chair right over there.
interviewer:  Oh, no kidding. #1 You have a #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  chair from that house? How marvelous. That's great.
853:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Did you ever sit in one of them?
interviewer:  I bet it's heavy, too. It's comfortable, isn't it?
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  It kind of slants back or something.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  It's comfortable than just an ordinary wood chair. Well-made, isn't it?
853:  Huh, you can't {D: comment} about that.
interviewer:  Now yes I can. That's good.
853:  Oh, I didn't
interviewer:  put in the kitchen. Yeah. That's good. Where did you sleep? Which room did you sleep in?
853:  Oh, I don't.
interviewer:  You don't remember? {NW}
853:  I don't remember. But mama and papa always had the biggest. One of 'em was a great big old room.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then the boys all slept on they had big beds.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they'd sleep two in a bed. And the oldest one always had one bed to himself. {NW}
interviewer:  Oh, great! {NW}
853:  And then we girls I had a room one now uh when we lived there of course I had these {D: older sisters white home} And they had their room together.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then I slept with another two, my next sister.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And a baby sister wasn't born.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  She was born in another place.
interviewer:  Uh, oh.
853:  But in Bosqueville but down on the river. This was up in
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. What was the house like for you were, were on the river? The next one. The, the the house at uh Chalk Bluff?
853:  Oh, it was a big two story house.
interviewer:  Oh, was it?
853:  Uh-huh. And they had all the bedrooms except one upstairs and we had a kitchen and a dining room separate, separate downstairs.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then we had a what you would say to them, master bedroom that was papa and mama's.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh, then they had a great big l- well they used it as a storage you know.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  That's where everybody's clothes hung.
interviewer:  Oh. Uh-huh. In a, in, in a room, or?
853:  Yeah. Just in a didn't have a closet in the house.
interviewer:  Huh!
853:  But now upstairs mama curtained up off a place for the boys.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the rest of was mama and papa's clothes have, she curtained it off then fixed it so as it didn't show and you had to go out go through there
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  To get out on the back. Get out the back or you could go out to the kitchen out of the back.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see. I see. Well, um Did you ever see piece of furniture where you could hang your clothes in it?
853:  No. But we didn't have any.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  I don't know why but we didn't. Yeah those are wardrobes.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  You know.
interviewer:  Were they very big or were they very tall or were they just
853:  Yeah. They were tall. I've got a a cedar wardrobe that fifty, sixty years old. Did you ever see one?
interviewer:  No.
853:  Cedar wardrobe?
interviewer:  I don't think so.
853:  I'll show it to you.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Ah, you uh you're gonna see part of my house {D: sits uh}
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  It's an old-fashioned.
interviewer:  Yes it is {X}
853:  You and I and get some food
interviewer:  Uh-huh. You sleep in there?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  And then this other room my other bedroom and a dining room was next to the kitchen.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. I bet it doesn't get too hot out here, too often
853:  No no no. Uh, raise that I keep the window up on the front porch
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I have to have a sheet for a morning.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  It's amazing.
interviewer:  Oh, did y'all ever have a fireplace in this house?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  Did y'all have a fireplace in this house?
853:  No, there wasn't a fireplace in that one.
interviewer:  Did you have a fireplace at the two-story one?
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  What do you call that, um {NW} the thing that the smoke goes up?
853:  Chimney.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  And uh what do you call that thing up above the fireplace we put plates
853:  Mantel.
interviewer:  Um, what do you call that open space that comes in front of the fireplace? Oh it's usually brick out
853:  The hearth.
interviewer:  A what?
853:  The hearth. I call it hearth.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  But uh, a lot of people call it hearth, you know.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Well. I've, I've heard both, you know.
853:  But I think it's hearth.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  I-I think the correct correct pronunciation is hearth.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um What do you call those uh
853:  Andirons.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 Gee, I can just sit here and let you talk I wouldn't even have to ask questions. You know what I'm gonna say. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  People used to, to build fire with a great big piece of wood in the back.
853:  Oh yeah. Backlog.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  And um What would you call the kind of wood that you start a fire with?
853:  Kindling.
interviewer:  Okay. What did y'all use for kindling?
853:  Well, uh We usually had a a pasture that had cedars in it.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And they'd cut down a cedar tree and it'd be dead by winter and they'd use cedar. Kindling.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Boy there's nothing smells better than cedar
853:  No. That's right.
interviewer:  Oh I love it.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Um, when the fire burns down, what do you call that stuff that's left on the bottom of
853:  Ashes.
interviewer:  Okay. And, and that black stuff that that's left in the chimney when the smoke
853:  Soot or soot.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  What do you call it?
interviewer:  Soot.
853:  #1 Soot. That's what I thought. #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Uh
853:  It can be either.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  #1 It's like either or either you know. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
853:  They, ei- either one's right.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  It's according to where you live.
interviewer:  #1 That's right. Yeah, that's right. And you said the wrong thing for where you live. #
interviewer:  #2 Um-hmm. Okay. #
853:  Yeah. You know, I really got perturbed yesterday and I'm going to write him a letter.
interviewer:  Was it?
853:  Uh Jean Rayburn They made fun of a woman from uh Greenville, Texas.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And she did not talk any worse than you or I.
interviewer:  Hmm. What did she say that it was strange, do you know?
853:  Not, not. It's just one thing she said uh let me see what was he made and every time he'd uh ask her a question or ask the rest of 'em a question he'd use that same word what was it? And he'd When she said uh her home home
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he'd say home. It was awful.
interviewer:  Just making fun of her?
853:  Hmm?
interviewer:  Was he, well did he make fun of her?
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  That's nasty.
853:  Well. I I you know. I don't think that that you or I talk enough like Texans to be made fun of.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But he'd, he, they kept on.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they uh the group did.
interviewer:  No, I don't like that
853:  It was sickening.
interviewer:  Yeah. That's, yeah.
853:  It was really rude.
interviewer:  Besides that, if if you and I were to go someplace else you know, where they're not
853:  #1 Not that noticeable. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} any of us. # Yeah. Yeah.
853:  No. No. I don't think so.
interviewer:  Uh, let's see. What do you call that piece of furniture that three or, two or three people could sit on, or four people?
853:  Couch?
interviewer:  Okay. You've ever heard it called anything else?
853:  Davenport?
interviewer:  Okay. The same thing?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh What do you call piece of furniture in the bedroom that you fold your clothes up and put 'em in?
853:  A bedroom and what?
interviewer:  Piece of furniture in the bedroom and you fold your clothes up, put your clothes in that?
853:  Oh. Dresser?
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  A bureau?
interviewer:  Okay. Um
853:  Chest of drawers?
interviewer:  Okay. Are all those the same thing?
853:  No. There's a bureau and a dresser's the same thing.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  We used to call them bureaus.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  That was this, that was the first furniture that came out had a mirror and a place drawers, you know.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Now they call them dressers.
interviewer:  Yeah. What's the difference between that and a chest of drawers?
853:  Well, the chest of drawers don't have a mirror. And it's up upright completely and just drawers.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Um What do you call those things that you pull down at the window there like those green things?
853:  Window shades?
interviewer:  Okay. Uh
853:  I like 'em
interviewer:  Oh, yeah. I do, too.
853:  I, I've got I've got some good Venetian blinds somebody can have, I'd sell 'em.
interviewer:  Is that right? You don't like 'em, huh?
853:  They're too hard to keep clean.
interviewer:  Oh, yeah.
853:  Now I'll tell you about me if I can't keep anything clean I don't want it.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Me, too. I don't want to have a fool with it.
853:  No. Now my house might look cluttered but it, it has to be clean.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah, me too. Except my husband is Well, I started to say he wouldn't much help but I don't know what he He's neater than I am in a way. He leaves his shoes out {X} where fall over 'em.
853:  Yeah. But he puts up things up that I leave out, so I guess it sorta evens out. Well. My husband was a fanatic, I guess. He wouldn't let me put his clothes away he was afraid I'd get 'em wrinkled.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And I was glad.
interviewer:  That's great. My husband's that way about ironing. You know, he, he won't let me iron his shirts. He has to iron his shirts. It's great. That's the way I wanna keep it, you know.
853:  #1 Sure. #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # The other day and he asked me to iron shirts because he was in hurry and I did. And I really did the best I could, I did the best I knew how I was very careful and he wasn't satisfied with it.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  He had to go back and redo it. {NW}
853:  Well, not many men can iron but
interviewer:  I know.
853:  Anyway
interviewer:  I just seen mine keep on though. {NW}
853:  You see that clock up there?
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I got to wind it up. Uh John's grandfather and grandmother went to housekeeping with it.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  You know that was what a man used to give his wife for uh wedding present.
interviewer:  A clock?
853:  A clock.
interviewer:  That's beautiful thing.
853:  And this one over here It, uh I wouldn't let it run because it needs cleaning so bad but it keeps good time.
interviewer:  #1 Oh, that one's, that one's beautiful. #
853:  #2 But I've been offered three-hundred dollars for that one. #
interviewer:  {X} Wait, did you all get this when you started when you were married?
853:  No, no. Uh That belong to my brother's mother in law.
interviewer:  Oh, I see.
853:  And uh, his wife was their only child.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And when she died, why he gave it to my baby sister and she gave it to me before she died. She said she
interviewer:  It looks old.
853:  Mm-hmm. It is. Mm-hmm. But that one up there is well over a hundred.
interviewer:  Is that right. It still keeps time, huh?
853:  Beautiful.
interviewer:  Great. What do you call that space at the top of the house
853:  Attic.
interviewer:  Okay. And what do you call the, the covering of the house? That uh,
853:  Roof.
interviewer:  Okay. Um What do you call, uh, a little room off the kitchen where you put canned goods
853:  A pantry.
interviewer:  Okay. And what would you call a bunch of old worthless things that you're fixing to throw away?
853:  {NW} Junk
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  What would you call a room where you keep stuff like that?
853:  Catchall.
interviewer:  #1 Okay, okay. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  {NW} We've got a We've got a drawer. In in the kitchen cabinets right under the telephone we call it the catchall drawer and my husband said the other day, he said did you ever notice how well a catchall drawer works. Just as soon as you call it a catchall drawer.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Everything in the house starts going in there.
853:  Do you call it that?
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well, we all so. {NW}
interviewer:  Um What do you call that thing that you, that you sweep with?
853:  Broom.
interviewer:  Okay. And um That thing right there is a
853:  Closet.
interviewer:  Oh, uh.
853:  No?
interviewer:  Just this part of it is the?
853:  Door.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Now if, if there was a broom right here, leaning against this, this thing right here?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  And uh the closet door was open and you want me to get that broom, then how would you, and of course I couldn't see the broom.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Uh, how would you tell me where the broom was?
853:  To close the door.
interviewer:  Okay. Where would you say where would you say the broom was?
853:  It's behind the door.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh.
853:  That's a, like I said a while ago and now I say behind.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Behind the door.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We get some people who say really strange things like uh hind side of the door.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Ever heard anybody say that?
853:  No.
interviewer:  Me either but But, but it's on here. They say somebody says that.
853:  Mm-hmm. Well, I would say.
interviewer:  Not anybody I've ever talked to.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Um If your clothes are dirty, you have to do what to 'em?
853:  Wash 'em.
interviewer:  Okay. And then you have to?
853:  Iron.
interviewer:  {X}
853:  I hate to iron.
interviewer:  I do too. I won't get close enough to iron.
853:  No, never. Again.
interviewer:  Me either.
853:  Mm-mm.
interviewer:  As, as long as Buddy irons his shirts, that's fine. My clothes like this You know it's wrinkled down but I've had it on all day This, I can just take it out from the washer and
853:  Sure. Dried, while it's drying, when it, dry put it on.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  This, too.
interviewer:  Yeah. #1 That's all kind of #
853:  #2 This stuff # dresses old as I am. And uh
interviewer:  Looks good.
853:  Every time it's washed, it's ready.
interviewer:  Yeah. That's, that's best kind of dress ever.
853:  I give a little more from my material, I of course I don't sew anymore.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  I used to I made this dress and I am it's been seven years since I had my eyes operated on.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  #1 So I don't sew anymore. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah.
853:  And I had a brand new machine it does everything.
interviewer:  Oh, boy. And then you had to have your eyes operated on.
853:  Yeah. And I tried to give that machine to my daughter she has one.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And but the granddaughter didn't. And she sews real good but she didn't want it. She said, no, if I have a machine I'll have to sew. I don't want to. I just buy 'em ready made.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 I understand that. # My mother sews and she made all my clothes when I was growing up and I just never was interested. And I don't have a sewing machine for the same reason.
853:  Yeah. But Eugene uh the granddaughter uh she makes uh she made her some beautiful pant suits.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  But and I, I was surprised.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I totally surprised that she could sew. I didn't know she could sew.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And never had.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh But she teaches and she don't have time. She trails around after that fourteen-year old boy all everything that happens and
interviewer:  Oh, yeah.
853:  They don't have time.
interviewer:  Well, you know it's nice to able to sew sometimes because you could make things a lot cheaper.
853:  Oh indeed you can.
interviewer:  #1 Especially simple things. #
853:  #2 Right. # And I could always uh draft it. I learned drafting when I went to A and M.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I could draft my own patterns. I could go and look at an expensive dress and then draft me a pattern and
interviewer:  Yeah. That's great.
853:  Then you see.
interviewer:  Um. Did you have to go to College Station all the way out to the university when you
853:  Did what?
interviewer:  Did you have to go to College Station to, to the university to
853:  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
interviewer:  They have, you know all these, um {D: Ceters} around, and I didn't know if you'd gone to the university or if you'd gone to one of the
853:  No. No, I went to A and M proper down to {D: Bryan} or College Station.
interviewer:  Whatever, yeah.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  We have a I guess you call it uh agriculture extension center.
853:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
interviewer:  #2 right near us. Right near where my husband and I live #
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  They do all kinds of things there. They even have a they even have a field and they grow stuff and they grow what
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  I don't know if they're testing hybrids or or something. #1 You know, different kinds of corn or stuff that have different kinds of weed and they have a #
853:  #2 mm-hmm.Mm-hmm. #
interviewer:  a patch that's this high and another patch is this high, and another patch is this high, you know right outside each other doing some kind of experiment.
853:  Showing the difference in a growth and why.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Um What would you uh what would you call that thing that you use to get from the first story to the second story in a two-story house?
853:  Stairs.
interviewer:  Okay. What if these stairs were attached to the outside of the house, would you call them the same thing?
853:  Steps.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. And uh even if they went all the way to the second story?
853:  No, it would be a a stair.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay.
853:  Stairs.
interviewer:  Uh You said you had a porch on that that house there. Uh, would you call it the same thing if it was in the back?
853:  Yes.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  What if it went around three sides of the house?
853:  Well, if sometimes there are around porch
interviewer:  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
853:  Circles the house.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay. You still call it a porch though.
853:  Porch.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
interviewer:  What if it was on the second story then what would you call it?
853:  Balcony.
interviewer:  Okay. Alright.
853:  Counter?
interviewer:  If the door was open and you didn't want it that way, you might ask someone to get up and
853:  Close the door.
interviewer:  Okay. Or if you didn't say close the door, you'd say
853:  You'd say, shut the door.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  Uh What do you call those boards on the outside of the house that run this way and then kind of overlap each other?
853:  #1 Well. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Weather board. Weather boarding.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh did you tell me that you still drive your own car?
853:  Yes.
interviewer:  When did you learn to drive?
853:  {NW} I was fourteen.
interviewer:  Do you remember it?
853:  Yes.
interviewer:  Who taught you?
853:  I taught myself.
interviewer:  You're kidding
853:  I was a, my daddy called me cat. He thought I could do anything.
interviewer:  Yeah?
853:  And he was a big, fat man.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And if he wanted anything done and arrange a car you'd oiled your own car then.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Way back.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We had a {D: Lolone Mac} Maxwell.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Sheriff down here you know, outside.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he put me on the data drain that thing 'cause he couldn't get under there.
interviewer:  {NW} {NW}
853:  #1 And we #
interviewer:  #2 Too big, huh? #
853:  W-well, he's stiff you know, I guess and didn't want to. He, he I guess he could- couldn't get under there very easy cuz he was fat.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But I wasn't fat then like I am now. But uh We had a farm down in East Texas.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And he went down there one time and I saw him leave the keys on the clock shelf. To the car.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I'd been watching him drive and riding with him everywhere he went, you know. And I got in that thing, he was {D: swooping down the} county farm down here just trees and trees, and trees.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Wasn't but one way in or out. And I got in that car and got it started and I began to stay around mango trees, mama ran out hollering Sugar, oh Essie, sugar!
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Well, I just kept on going just as far as I could.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And you know where I went?
interviewer:  Where?
853:  I went all through Cameron park cuz I couldn't stop.
interviewer:  Oh, fuc- {C: voice vibrating with laughter}. You didn't know how to stop it?
853:  No. {NW}
interviewer:  {NW} That's a scream
853:  But I finally found out before I get back and I just drove in there as if as I'd been driving always.
interviewer:  I love it. That's fantastic. Figured out where the brake was?
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  That's great. You've been driving ever since?
853:  Oh, yes.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  #1 Do you have an #
interviewer:  #2 You know, # I don't understand people who, who don't drive or just uh so cooped up, you know.
853:  This woman next door has been living there forty-one years now and I've taken her every place she's ever been. Until last year two women across the {NW} Excuse me. Across the street. #1 And she go church together, you know. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
853:  Not to Sunday morning church. But women's society and things you know. {NW} {NW} But I take her to get her groceries take 'em to the doctor.
interviewer:  That's really kind of a burden if You have to take some
853:  And take her everywhere she goes, I take her to the fair yeah, I take her every month fair build. Well I pay mine by check.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Because it's easier for me.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And sometimes I can't drive.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I have s- dizzy spells, you know.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. You don't want to #
853:  #2 Since I had that heart trouble, # I wouldn't get in the car dizzy, no way you could fix it.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And she would call and I'll say Ms. William, you have to wait until tomorrow. And she don't have to, she don't like to wait. Not one minute.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  I'd say I can't go today.
interviewer:  Yeah. You're awful good to take her to {X}.
853:  I don't mind to take her and her husband was a veteran. And uh, he was at Temple In Temple eighteen months hospital.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  I took her every other day to Temple
interviewer:  Goodness, that's a thirty-minute drive.
853:  Until winter came that winter and it John said well my dear, I think you ought to not have to go down there, it might come up a cold spell and she has an aunt she could stay with, you know.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  So I told her, I said, I'll tell you Miss Willy, I'll take you to the bus station and she didn't have the money. I said, I've got it. I'll pay you bus fare down and back. And I get her a round ticker. Get her a she'd get her a round trip ticket and I'd go back at eight o'clock every other night meet her.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Down. Bus station in town, you know. {NW} And uh
interviewer:  Is it, it's a real I would think it be so inconvenient for her not knowing how to drive, you know.
853:  I don't know how people get along.
interviewer:  I don't either. My grandmother was that way. My mother had to take her when she leave or daddy did it.
853:  My mother couldn't drive either, of course, but you see, my mother has been dead thirty years.
interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  And old women didn't used to drive, you know.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh, But she had a buggy.
interviewer:  Yeah?
853:  As long as she lived. She nailed it, she kept that buggy.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  She went where she pleased.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Phaeton, you know.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah, uh-huh.
853:  And uh, nice horse, nice buggy.
interviewer:  Oh, I wish I had horse. Wish I had, wish I had an excuse to get a horse. {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Uh wanted a horse all my life my parents never would get me one and, and uh now that I'm married, grown, I understand why they didn't. {NW} They cost a fortune.
853:  Sure.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Right.
interviewer:  But one of these days
853:  Well, what are you doing in Waco?
interviewer:  Well I'm just down doing this.
853:  Doing this?
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I've got to find two people
853:  Where is your husband? Is he here?
interviewer:  He's in Dallas. No, I talked to him every night on the phone though for about an hour. {NW} I talked to him last night for thirty minutes.
853:  Oh, I know.
interviewer:  Yeah, we live now, if I live in A suburb just north of Dallas. You've heard of Richardson? Richardson?
853:  Yeah, I know. I have a niece lives there.
interviewer:  Oh, do you? Yeah. Olympus uh is there. We have house and uh he works for Texas Instruments.
853:  For what?
interviewer:  Texas Instruments.
853:  Uh-huh. {NW}
interviewer:  It's a big company.
853:  Yeah. Well, I'll tell you. World's changing so rapidly.
interviewer:  #1 And you don't have #
853:  #2 I don't have #
interviewer:  Go ahead.
853:  I can't uh it makes me mad for people to talk about young people.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I've always been to where I could identify with them.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh You know, I have a two boys and a girl. They know I go, I'm the first person in church on Sunday morning.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Because I can read my Sunday school lesson over and get more out of if I get there down the first.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  And I study everyday. Far as that's concerned. But these two boys, grown boys sing in the choir grown men good-looking boys and this one girl they come by my door every morning in the world and come in and sat down and talk to me.
interviewer:  Oh, that's great. I love it.
853:  And whenever they have a project I'll say, stop by now when you have another one. And I'll give them five or ten dollars, you know, for their project. Whatever they're doing.
interviewer:  Oh, that's great.
853:  And when they wash cars every so often on the church lawn, I'll give 'em ten dollars and they just have a fit.
interviewer:  {NW} Yeah, I guess.
853:  They, they wash 'em for a dollar, you know.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh
interviewer:  But they're always trying to raise money.
853:  Well, I'll tell you. It is nobody's business and the preacher would die if he knew it I imagine but I tithe.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  But I don't put all my tithe in that church. I don't have to.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And that's the Lord's work too isn't it?
interviewer:  Yeah. Sure!
853:  So if I give those kids something that helps them out
interviewer:  Yeah. That counts too.
853:  They went to I'll tell you what I did. They went on the {X}
interviewer:  Uh-huh. That boat?
853:  Uh-huh. And I bought all three of them a ticket.
interviewer:  No kidding. That boat looks like be a lot of fun. Have you ever been on it?
853:  No. I was afraid to. My Kids went and they got me a ticket.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And uh I, I had just gotten out of the hospital and I decided I better not, I was kind of dizzy.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I was afraid I'd get sick.
interviewer:  Yeah. You might. If you can {X}
853:  Um-hmm.
interviewer:  Well, let's see. What would you call the little building out back where you keep your gardening tools and stuff like that?
853:  Storage.
interviewer:  Okay. Um Say you've got a house and the house runs this way like this and then this way too, so it's kind of L-shaped house, you know.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  And both roofs are peat
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Okay. Now then the place where they meet is kind of low-placed. Do you have the name for that-
853:  Gable?
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh, or you know if the valley down might be gable?
interviewer:  Okay. The valley is the low place?
853:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
interviewer:  #2 And the gables are the #
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  #1 Uh, the upper #
853:  #2 Ex- #
interviewer:  Okay. Um Did y'all have an outdoor toilet when you
853:  Oh, gosh, yes I still got one.
interviewer:  No kidding!
853:  {NW} What do you call an outdoor toilet? Privy.
interviewer:  Anything else?
853:  And toilet?
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Anything else? Ever heard called?
853:  They used to call 'em privies.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. Okay. That tape's fixing to run off. #1 Here, I got #
853:  #2 No, uh # {NW} I heard last year, I heard some kids out back there and they turned it over.
interviewer:  Oh, no!
853:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 Not funny! #
853:  Right against my little old barn
interviewer:  {NW} I've heard of people doing that. {NW} Did you have
Interviewer:  {X} Yup! Fixed it! Works on time.
853:  #1 Telling you. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Ah.
Interviewer:  What all kind of buildings did you all used to have in farm?
853:  Well, we had a hay barn.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What else?
853:  And uh we had a-always when you picked cotton and uh
Interviewer:  {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. That's {X}
853:  When they picked cotton and had a cotton gin,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, you know, it takes the seeds out of that land.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, my dad always had a seed bin.
Interviewer:  Oh. Uh-huh.
853:  And they put the cotton seed on the land they fed the cows.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  That for the winter.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh {NW} You know that it, it uh really made lots of milk what a man that claimed that they give more milk {NW} the better they were fed and they cotton seed was a good feed
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They fed it to the cows.
Interviewer:  Was seed then in the barn or was it outside the barn?
853:  Well now sometimes it was attached.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But a lot of times they had just a little old building {NW} and they'd drive up out there and had a high opening, and they'd throw the seed over there with a big old scoop.
Interviewer:  Hmm. Um-hmm, okay. Okay. Uh. Did you have a special building where you stored corn?
853:  Corn?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well. Usually, sure. Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What did you call that?
853:  Uh, and a hay usually the hay was put in a loft. Hay loft.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Up. You know. Door up yonder. Platform and you put the hay up there
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the corn down the bottom.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. In barn?
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Did you have a # a special building where you, you stored grain?
853:  Well, not not around here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Now I have in West Texas they do because they raise all grain, you know. {NW} They don't {NW} well, they do have cotton too, but now uh John had a nephew that had three sections of lands.
Interviewer:  Wow.
853:  And he all he had was wheat.
Interviewer:  #1 My goodness. #
853:  #2 {D: Bellaire} # something, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they thrashed it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And they didn't uh They had a place for that but they usually {NW} they had a silo, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What did they use to do when they threshed the oats or whatever?
853:  Well, they They sold it to localities where they didn't raise it, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they I mean, didn't as big as they did.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they'd ship a lot of that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Oh, he shipped that where you know all over the United, all over the world.
Interviewer:  Is that right. #1 How, how do you thresh oats, do you know? Or grain #
853:  #2 No, they # have a regular thrasher
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. They do by machine?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I suppose that, did you ever see him do without a machine?
853:  Oh, no. No, I don't think he could. Now they shocked it. They put it in shocks you know, they cut it {NW} and, and bundle up a big one.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then stand it up and then stand the smaller shocks around it, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They tied them in shocks is what they call them.
Interviewer:  Yeah, was the big one {D: shawks} is the smaller one was {D: shawks}?
853:  Well, the, the You mean what?
Interviewer:  Well, okay, getting up on the little thing, right?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  And then you put all these little things together?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  The little ones, what do you call little ones?
853:  They, they're just shocks too, little shocks. #1 You know #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh I see. #
853:  #1 Um-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh. Um. Did you ever just pile up hay outside the barn?
853:  Yeah, they'd make hay stacks.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Oh, I got on a top of a hay stack and {NW} slide down a million times.
Interviewer:  {NW} Did you ever see a hay stack that was covered?
853:  That what?
Interviewer:  That was covered?
853:  Oh, yes.
Interviewer:  What did you cover with?
853:  Well, a wagon sheet.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And?
853:  You know, like they used to put over a wagon {NW} covered wagons.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh, okay.
853:  And they put them on each side and that put it in then sometimes it wouldn't cover clearly to the ground, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they had put stakes out down this corners and stake it so the water would run off.
Interviewer:  Um. Um-hmm.
853:  And wouldn't just sog it?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Worked pretty good?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  #1 Worked pretty good. #
Interviewer:  #2 That's great. # Um. What kind of animals did you all use to have?
853:  We had cows and hogs.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And horses, mules.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  We always had {NW} uh two good horses to work to the phaeton. You know what a phaeton is?
Interviewer:  #1 It, it's a, I just know that #
853:  #2 Double, seated thing. #
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  #1 It's kind of a #
Interviewer:  #2 Surrey. #
853:  Surrey.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And of course it took a wagon and all that to take us kids to #1 church every Sunday morning #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah I guess #
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  And uh But We always had a good buggy.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Single buggy and a double buggy.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And uh had horses for that and then the mules to plow and
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Work, you know.
Interviewer:  What did you call the place where you kept the horses?
853:  Out in the barn in the or in the pasture. And they, some of them call it stomp lot.
Interviewer:  A stomp lot!
853:  Stomp lot.
Interviewer:  I love it! That's great! Where was the stop lot?
853:  Well, it was connected to where they couldn't get into the stalls where the cows would go in there and it was a You know,
Interviewer:  Just connected to the barn there?
853:  Yeah, it was and fence stand with board fences, you know. Bound around it or barbed wire sometimes.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I've had the barbed wire around it.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. What other kind of fences did you have?
853:  I guess that's about all. {NW} Now out on the fen- the pasture proper,
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well, they had barbed wire fences, you know. Fence off the farms, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  From one farm to the another.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  They have a cedar post and barbed wire three or four or five
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Barbed wires.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Strung along.
Interviewer:  How did they, uh, use to make barbed wire fence? Do you know?
853:  I don't.
Interviewer:  How did they get the wires stay on that?
853:  Oh, they have staples.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Bent like a Nail on each end like, sharp on each end and bent.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  About that long. And you put your straddle, the wire nailed it in that post.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, I see. That kept it on. How far apart did you have to put the post? Do you know?
853:  {NW} Oh, I'd say as far from here to over there.
Interviewer:  Is it too long, all the way across?
853:  No, post. I thought you said #1 Post #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah, yeah. I'm, yeah. Uh-huh #
853:  Put the post, that far part and then that you'd, you'd have {X} You know, uh cows will get down their knees and crawl under
Interviewer:  Did
853:  They learn, you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  If they want it out bad enough.
Interviewer:  Just like a dog.
853:  Uh-huh. And you'd put it down about that high
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then the next one up about like this so they couldn't get through.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And maybe, it all depended on your animal whether your, they were kind of wild or curious or whatever #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. # Um. What kind of fence did you have up around your house?
853:  Well, usually just about barbed fence without Uh, we never did. My dad and never would have a barbed wire fence around.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  He was a {NW} as he used to tell me he had more pride than brain
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  He used to tell me, I'd say well where do I get it?
Interviewer:  {NW} Oh. {NW}
853:  But, uh. He'd have a board fence.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Painted white.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  I don't care if we rented or bought our farm or had our farm.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We always had some land and then rented some. But the house was on our land. {D:See.}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh-huh.
853:  And we'd uh and I'll tell you. The barn, the lot and the yards were kept perfect on the outside.
Interviewer:  Is that right. That's hard to do.
853:  Yes, it is. But I'll tell you, we had enough help the boys kept the yard and a fence fences up.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And my daddy walked the fence line every weekend of the world see if the stock would get out or could get out.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He was a farmer.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I guess. Um. Did you ever have a a special place where you milked the cow besides the barn?
853:  Sure. No, nothing only. Just the stalls.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know.
Interviewer:  Always milked them in the
853:  There'd be a shed come down and open.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the cows could walk in and they knew their stall.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  That's That was a long trough. And then they had a s- section in there fenced it off and this one they'd have a board between them
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And this old whatever we called her Maggie, we had an old Maggie.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And Maggie go just to straight to her stall. Nobody better not get in there.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And she go then, that's where she ate and you milked her there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then We always We had a whole bunch. And it, the funny part about it, none none of us ever drank milk.
Interviewer:  My goodness. Did you all just sell it?
853:  It, yeah. No. Gave it to dogs.
Interviewer:  Oh. You all didn't like it or what?
853:  None of us I had one brother and one sister
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  and mama. They would drink milk but we churned it and made butter.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And had butter milk to cook cornbread and biscuit.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We had biscuit every meal.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy. {NW} Oh, yum. I love biscuits.
853:  I used to. When I was ten years old. My mother worked in the field then.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  The boys were not all big and grown. Two of them were big enough to work on a field, in the field. And I cooked lunch when mama went to the field.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I stood on the box and made biscuit.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Not all of those kids to go bringing in the wood.
Interviewer:  {NW} That, that make you feel big? {NW}
853:  Oh, I'll, I'll tell you. If it hadn't been for me a lot of times uh mama was a good cotton picker.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And never picked a lock on her life 'till she married.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  Ah, mercy. Uh, my grandmother was a school teacher you know, I told you that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  She went to Oxford. And she thought that she was disgraced.
Interviewer:  By had her daughter pick up.
853:  Work in the field. She never liked my daddy on that account.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  Papa didn't make her, mom just wanted to.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  And after well I did more cooking than all of rest of the girls put together. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # What did you call the place where you kept the hogs and pigs?
853:  Hog pen.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay, what was it made out of? What is,
853:  It was just, just boards and uh down at the bottom sometimes it have what we called chicken wire down toward the bottom so that they couldn't get under.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  {NW} Root under, we call it.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  That root Hold out of there.
Interviewer:  Yeah, they tend-
853:  And they uh papa said now Jessie or Charlie Alier or Johnny You took what the house now have the uh milking done and slopped the hogs.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  slop the hogs.
Interviewer:  {NW} What did you use to slop the hogs?
853:  Milk
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And garbage from what we'd have left.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know where there's a bunch of kids eating and always left something in their plate, #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah.
853:  And you had a big outside of the kitchen door,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You had a big barrel.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And you put that garbage in there, you know.
Interviewer:  #1 What did you call #
853:  #2 Scraps. #
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then they dipped it out of there and put it in barrels on a little red wagons they pull it out to the
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  barn to the
Interviewer:  Did you have a special name for that particular barrow?
853:  For what?
Interviewer:  For this, did you have a special name that particular barrow where you kept this the hog slop?
853:  Ye- no. Just, just a
Interviewer:  Barrow, huh?
853:  That's all.
Interviewer:  Yeah? Um, what's the shoat?
853:  Shoat?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It's a small hog.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What's the difference between a shoat and a pig?
853:  Nothing. That's just pig, lot of pig but just called them shoats. Well, is a, a pig is a little one.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And a shoat is a little bit bigger and then on up gets to be a hog.
Interviewer:  Oh, okay. I see, I see. Where people used to keep their, uh, milk and butter when they didn't have you know, a refrigerator?
853:  You had a we called it a cooler.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW} And it was just a You know like those uh, utility tables.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You have one. You've seen them.
Interviewer:  Yeah. It's in the kitchen.
853:  {X} down here and one up here, well, you put that stuff in there and you covered it with clean cloth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it was in water. And it would drip down here that kept that when the wind put it outside it maybe under a tree or somewhere.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. Did it keep that cool?
853:  Or out on the back porch.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We always had porches.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And put it out on the back porch and that wind will blow through that wet cloth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And every so often you, this one up here is where your pan would be with your water and you'd keep that filled with well water and it was cold coming out of that well.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm, um-hmm. Well, did it? Did you just have to um Was the was the cold off the sitting down in the water or did you just have to come and
853:  Yeah. The water would be all- the cloth would be down in the water and then hanging up around all the way around.
Interviewer:  Awesome.
853:  And of course flies or anything couldn't get in to the
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  butter.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I see.
853:  Milk and stuff
Interviewer:  Kept it
853:  And you put your milk in there in crocks.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  They go around crocks or big old big around and high up and you know,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  different shapes.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then when it uh soured. Clabbered. Why you'd skim that cream off of there
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And a little bit of the clabber and that clabber went to the hogs {NW} and this little clabber and the the cream would make the butter and you'd have enough uh um butter milk you know to make cookie, biscuit, or corn bread.
Interviewer:  Huh! My goodness.
853:  Or drink.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Did you ever #
853:  #2 A lot of people did. #
Interviewer:  Did you ever use the clabbs before you think besides give it to the hogs?
853:  No, we didn't.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But uh, most people did.
Interviewer:  What, what could you use for?
853:  You could drink it. Did you ever drink any clabber?
Interviewer:  No.
853:  Lot of people {NW} uh would use it with corn bread and spoon but now we didn't. We didn't utilize much milk.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 You just didn't, your family just didn't like milk? #
853:  #2 No. # Far as I, I know now and anybody ever knew I never tasted a milk in my life.
Interviewer:  My goodness.
853:  And I could go over that, I keep it. To cook with, you know and everything.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I, I, I couldn't eat a bite and never did when I was kid. Uh, regular butter.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Cow butter. Now I eat margarine.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But it has to be melted on hot cornbread or hot biscuit. I couldn't just smear A piece of bread you know, spread it.
Interviewer:  That's probably good point that you don't.
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  It's probably better for you that you don't do that.
853:  Yes, I know it.
Interviewer:  But I love the taste of butter.
853:  I don't.
Interviewer:  Oh, that smells more I could stay.
853:  I couldn't And I, I'm sure some imagination.
Interviewer:  Yeah, well.
853:  It's, it's up here
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But uh, none of us ever drank milk much.
Interviewer:  Mm.
853:  Now my brother, Lee and my sister, Thomarie They drank milk.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they drank it yet or my brother died but he did. But my sister drank milk anytime in preference of tea or something else.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  And mama liked milk.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  But didn't take much to supply, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  A lot of times, they wouldn't drink milk, they drink, we drink water.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  We didn't have anything else. We didn't drink tea back in my childhood days.
Interviewer:  People just didn't have it, is that right?
853:  {NW} Well, we lived out in the country and that was hard to get ice.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And we didn't have electric, electricity, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {X} strap water.
853:  That lamp over there, sitting over there, it's a pretty lamp. Uh.
Interviewer:  #1 Near side of the house, get closer #
853:  #2 My mother # My mother and daddy went {D: housekeeping} with that light.
Interviewer:  That's beautiful.
853:  I've been offered three-hundred dollars for that.
Interviewer:  Amazing.
853:  I said no, it isn't for sale. {NS}
Interviewer:  Did it's pretty.
853:  And uh, when my older sister got married, my mother gave it to her.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And she was I did three years old, I told you.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I went to Wichita Falls and moved over down here when she got where she couldn't bury on herself.
Interviewer:  What was your name?
853:  {B} She lived up there for fifty, sixty years.
Interviewer:  What did my parents no, that's my hometown, you said, Wichita Falls. Where would you tell that she lived, you know where, where at Athens?
853:  She lived, uh, you know where {B}
Interviewer:  Yeah, sure.
853:  She lived in {B} thirty years.
Interviewer:  Hmm. Well. My mother and daddy both grew up there. They may, uh #1 They might have known them, {X} if nearby {X} #
853:  #2 {D: Was she, was she even after Waco when she told me, he said now} # She always called me sister.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the rest didn't. But she said now sister, I've got an another lamp but mama and papa gave me that never using it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  When I married. And she'd been married seven years. I didn't. And she said I want you to take it and have it. And she said so as far as I know, it's a saying weaken saying thing that was my mom #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Now of course the {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And then the But that's what it makes effective, I believe.
Interviewer:  Oh, yeah. Yes. Lot, lot of things. I know what you're talking about. It's beautiful. It's very nice.
853:  And my daughter has an antique shop.
Interviewer:  Oh, is that right?
853:  #1 Out on the #
Interviewer:  #2 Here in Waco? #
853:  {X} uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And she sells them every day at two and three and four hundred #1 dollars just like it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Just like that. # What do you call the step that you put in that kind of thing?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  #1 What do you call the step that you #
(no speaker):  #2 Coal oil.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Or kerosene.
Interviewer:  Same thing? Is that the same thing?
853:  Kerosene, coal oil.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. {NW} What is, what is the name of the milk company? What do you call the milk company here in town?
853:  Borden?
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. What if you didn't know the name of it and you wanted to go there, you know, you didn't know what the brand name was, but you wanted to go there, you'd say, where is the
853:  The milk company, #1 I guess #
Interviewer:  #2 What's another word for milk company? #
853:  I don't know.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um. Let's see.
853:  I don't really know.
Interviewer:  {NW} Um When you raised cotton. Um Well, tell me about raising cottons, tell me about you have to plant it first, I guess, and then what?
853:  {NW} Yeah. Well you know, we have a planter.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And it has a round disk thing in this canister deal and you put your seed in there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it, this thing rotates and then holes going outside
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And you open up when you plow, peer open up this thing.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And when you come along there well then the seeds drop down there you plant it.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm. Okay. And then after it gets up, three or four inches, then what do you do?
853:  You chop it.
Interviewer:  Is that right? What do you do that for?
853:  It well, you thin it out to of space.
Interviewer:  What about a foot?
853:  I, I would say foot and a half.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Maybe.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It's according. Now, you know they the propagated corn where they they bred it up, I mean cotton where they bett- bred it up,
Interviewer:  Um-mm.
853:  Somehow they'll get high as your head.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 But used to they had # cor- cotton wasn't very high, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  Well, they plant it closer together. {NW} But now these big stocks, {NW} well they get way up high and then they lap if you put them too close together.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  But, and you do want them to come close together when they get grown.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. I see. I see.
853:  And then now, of course I notice uh the first person in McClone counted {X} getting the leaves off of that crop.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Off there so they could pick the cotton.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And that I'm quite sure would be with there uh cotton picker, uh machine picking.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Not people picking cotton. You don't find many people pick cotton today.
Interviewer:  No, I don't. {X} the machine does. I don't know if it's good or not, but I don't know.
853:  But I picked uh {NW} I never picked any cotton.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  As I told you, I stayed in the
Interviewer:  #1 You were always back cooking. #
853:  #2 House #
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Right. I was a cook. But I tended to the kids.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  The grand kids, everybody else's kids. Little, colored kids on the farm.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They come crying to get a lived in the house pretty close you know
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And their parents would be working in the fields.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Anyway, I'd tend to them.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um. What would you call it stuff that grow up in the with cotton that you didn't want in there?
853:  That you didn't want?
Interviewer:  Yeah. What, not the cotton, but other stuff that would grow up in there.
853:  Well, it would just be uh grass and li- li- uh. Weeds
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And you thin. You thin that corn, cotton out and then of course you got all that stuff out of there and it was clean as it could be. {NW} And then you come along and you, with a cultivator.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And you plow all on each side you straddled it. You plow on each side and you have to heal it up. Soil up over there so that it could cover the roots good than people.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  #1 Cover down. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh, I see. # What do you call that, thing the plow nights when you go through?
853:  Middle buster?
Interviewer:  Uh. Well the, the thing in the dirt, that, that the plow base, what do you call that the
853:  Row.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. Right see here. {NW} You talking about the field, #1 how big is the field, I mean how big #
853:  #2 A field? #
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Oh, it could be any size. {NW} #1 We #
Interviewer:  #2 How small can it be? #
853:  Well, I would think that {NW} A field would be something that you plant. Plant acres.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I don't know it did when I owned a pen.
Interviewer:  If you had something only about half an acre, would you call that a field?
853:  Well, now I've got an acre in {NW} Nearly two acres back there #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
853:  And I call that my field.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  #1 Field, I would say. #
Interviewer:  #2 If # If you had something that was small, just like half or a quarter of an acre, would you call that a field?
853:  Yeah you you'd say yeah out in the If it's vacant. Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What if you had to plant in the strawberries?
853:  Well, you'd say strawberry patch.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Uh.
853:  Or in the berry patch.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Or out in the orchard, if they had trees. Peach trees or pears
Interviewer:  Yeah. Palms and so on. I wish I had a peach tree.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Peaches. Mm.
853:  In the orchard.
Interviewer:  Did you ever see a kind of a Uh, uh a fence that was built in a zig-zag pattern like that, that was made out of
853:  Yeah, uh-huh. They They lived that way, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What do you call that kind of fence?
853:  I don't know and I forgot. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Ah. Did you ever see a fence or, or a wall that made out of stone or rock?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What do you call that?
853:  A rock fence.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  {NW} {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} What would you say that your best dishes are made in out of?
853:  Dishes?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, porcelain or China?
Interviewer:  Um-hmm. Did you ever see a uh, an egg made out of that kind of stuff?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Where did you all, what did you all call that?
853:  A, an egg?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know, what, you had a glass egg that they used them a lot of times so when the varmints would get the begin to get the eggs, well they get to use artificial eggs, you know
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Or glass eggs. Uh-huh. {D:That had surprised to}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Divided to crack? #
853:  #2 Don't you know a dic- #
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Ah. What did you all use to carry water in?
853:  Jug?
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  My kids were mad at me, especially my son in law. {NW} I had a little brown jug. And I've had it May you said mother, mother I've, you've had that jug as long as I could remember, I said I've had it {NW} long before I married.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And I've been married sixty years or more.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I let it sit out. I built me a a table, I used the first cabinet that I had when I went to keep in house, you know, it was just an old cabinet.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  You've seen them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And it had a porcelain top. See.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Round in here, round there, porcelain top. But all you had to do was unscrew that down here to get it all.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  And, so I don't want to do the rest of it.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  But I had an old machine. And I took the paddle. Paddle thing out of it. And I put that porcelain top and made a yard.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh. #
853:  #2 Table out of that. # On that machine deal.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it sitting by this little house out here, you told me.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And I said that little brown jug out there with a uh a milk thing that you, jar, you know that you hold, you put the milk in.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  And it rained and it then it froze and burst them.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Both of them.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  They were really mad at me.
Interviewer:  I guess.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um When did that happen?
853:  This weather.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Did ever had your pipes burst?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  Did you ever have your water pipes burst?
853:  Oh, yes.
Interviewer:  Uh, when was that?
853:  Oh, it's been several years ago.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What happened? Did you just not
853:  I wasn't at home.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
853:  #2 See # And uh I was in, I went to tower, little great grand son was baby.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he was gonna have his tonsils removed {NW} and the grand daughter liked uh three days getting her masters.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And she had to go to {D: Nikadoshtures} which was seven to eight miles wide.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  So, uh there was got, they had scheduled to have Blake's tonsils taken out.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I said, well I'll go home with you in ten, ten time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I stayed in the hospital with him and take him home and so I did. {NW} And uh When, and the weekend was up, why they wasn't going bring him out and bring him home, the weather was bad.
Interviewer:  Mmm.
853:  And my daughter came to tell her after me.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And when we get back home, a pipe under the sink had burst and that kitchen was full of water. And a pipe the come in the house into the end of the bath tub had burst and I had the water cut off {X} cut it off, but then they didn't get it cut off good see
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And it burst in that bathroom was full of water.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy.
853:  And the lavatory was full of water frozen.
Interviewer:  Oh. Oh.
853:  I tell you, I never had such a mess in all of my life.
Interviewer:  Yes. So could you even stay here? #1 Would you have to go some place else to stay while they fixed it? #
853:  #2 No, I didn't. I stayed at home. # She wanted me to go home with her that night, I said, no I'll stay here. And turned on all the fires and made that a thaw out of all that mess.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh-huh.
853:  And uh
Interviewer:  They have your place all that time?
853:  Mm-hmm. Next morning, I called the plumber.
Interviewer:  Mm.
853:  He said, I don't know Ms. Tairlette might have be awake two to four and get to you. So we got more bursted pipes than I've ever had in all my life.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  I said, oh, mercy, mercy. for singing oh, here he comes.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  I said, how come you to get to me so quick. He said, I left some.
Interviewer:  Ah. That's nice.
853:  And that's not too nice. That's not fair. It
Interviewer:  Well it's not fair but it sure was nice for you
853:  Good for me.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NW} It's nice to know that somebody he'll do that for you.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Things happen, I guess. Uh. What would you carry, what would you call the thing that you ca- that you carry water in, that's made out of wood?
853:  Bucket.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What if it was made out of plastic? Oh.
853:  Well, it'd still be a bucket.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What if it was made out of a, galvanized metal?
853:  Well, you might say uh, I've got an old tin bucket.
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright.
853:  But uh, we had a, you know, as I told you, my dad was particular and mama was too. But uh He wouldn't let us have a bucket We had a bucket in the dipper and everybody drink out of the same dipper, you know.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Way back yonder. {NW} But they had to be cedar. #1 bucket. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. # Yeah. I bet it tasted good.
853:  Pretty. And mama, I can just see her yet, those uh stays, it was put together, you know. Did you ever see one?
Interviewer:  I think so. I,
853:  Little wide stays they call them
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they used to put together and then they had these about that wide
Interviewer:  #1 About inch? #
853:  #2 Brass bands. #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Went around it.
Interviewer:  #1 About an inch wide? #
853:  #2 And mama # Huh?
Interviewer:  About an inch wide?
853:  Uh. Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And mama every week of the world, she polished that brass and it was just beautiful.
Interviewer:  No kidding. #1 I bet that it was pretty when that sheened. #
853:  #2 Yeah. # Well, I had one when we moved out here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We built that bathroom just like in that hall just like it is.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then that room was a living room.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  That my bed room, where we went a while ago.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Was a living room. And then we had the bedroom up back because that was a coolest room, and then that was a kitchen and dining room together.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  See. Well. Then of course as I told you measure we got richer,
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  We built this own.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. #1 This one the portraying thing that just one here? #
853:  #2 No, no. # Wasn't a thing And, but then when we built it, while we had a, wait a minute. Right there. We had a partition. And this was a bed room and that was a kitchen.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But About fifteen or eighteen years ago I added six feet out on that end of of the kitchen.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 Made it longer. # And I added six feet here and took this partition out and put that divider there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  To make this a dining kitchen together.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. Next to the nice, big open space. #
853:  #2 Um-hmm, um-hmm. #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And this is a big walk-in closet. That's the only closet in the house. You know when we built, the one that closet built, people didn't use to have closets.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, I see.
853:  They just had, they hung their clothes behind the doors.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. That seems so strange to me, but I guess it's a bit seems strange to have closet for people that didn't use to.
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Which do you like best, is it handier this way, or handier the other way?
853:  But that's, that's only closet I've got.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  I've got uh, that cedar wardrobe but you still have full it did
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then I have an old uh, wardrobe up yonder that has a hat place for the hats up this top.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And then it has three or four drawers here and then you have nothing hang here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And I use that in my spare bedroom.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. That's nice.
853:  So.
Interviewer:  Uh. What all kinds of uh cooking utensils did you use to have?
853:  We, mostly, we had um an old iron pot.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  You've seen it, legs, three legs
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Pots. Lid. And of course we had wood stove.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
853:  And you, sometimes you'd a- you'd have a pot that would, you could take that eye off of this stove and it set closer to the fire.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 See. #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  And then we had uh tin this tin boilers and tin pans to cook biscuit in.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We had a great big old {D: can moon?} And it hold out about hundred biscuits.
Interviewer:  My goodness. This make me hungry. {NW}
853:  Mama made biscuits everyday. I made biscuits everyday when we moved out here. And I, everybody else did. And we didn't have white bread when John and I married
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  And he had to carry much.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He worked down at the railroad shops
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  #1 And uh #
Interviewer:  #2 So he carried biscuits? #
853:  I put biscuits out, I put in, uh. He likes scrambled eggs and they would fix a sandwich, that's what you call it, biscuit sandwich better.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And we always raised our own meat.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  Or bought it in big slabs.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I had to fry and I cut it so it fit in that biscuit.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  On top of his egg.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Salt and pepper.
Interviewer:  {X}
853:  And I'd make about three of that.
Interviewer:  That sounds good.
853:  And about two of preserves and jelly.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Something.
Interviewer:  Yeah, that sounds good.
853:  And I always had uh cake or pie.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  For his lunch.
Interviewer:  {D:Cram} hungry. {NW}
853:  And he never drank coffee, he didn't drink much, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh I didn't have fix anything. Now I, later on when he got to work in nights, Uh. I get out fix him a thermos of hot coffee.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah.
853:  But of course, we had live bread later on. But for years in after we married uh and I went to A and M first time, uh, I learned to make a yeast bread.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh. I made my own bread.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy. Is it hard?
853:  Oh, no, no, no. And I could make the life of a bread I, I made it. Oh, I sold it. I organized the farm women's market.
Interviewer:  No kidding.
853:  Yeah. And we had a, on north 18th.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Right off the Waco drive on right over in front of Sears on that corner there.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  About three or four years and there was about ten of us country women, I never had any uh, milk and butter, you know, 'cause John did couldn't milk. My daddy gave me a a heifer cow.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And I, milked her with the first cow.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And John disrupted every night he'd come in 'cause I had the milk and he couldn't milk.
Interviewer:  Why couldn't he milk?
853:  He'd, huh?
Interviewer:  Why couldn't he milk her?
853:  Well, he just never had milked and he just never did learn.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And he kept saying I'm not gonna learn.
Interviewer:  How fun.
853:  Those get rid of it, and we sold it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And you know what I did? I sold that cow and I got eighty-five dollars for and I gave ninety dollars for my uncle who had a furniture store in town for a rug for my living room.
Interviewer:  Great. Now that's how it go. That's great. Sell something and in, just about paying for something else.
853:  Right.
Interviewer:  I know.
853:  Sure did, and he told me, he said now Essie, I won't give you ten dollars off on that rug. {NW} And uh You can pay it out. And I said, no, I got my money. I'd better u- I'd better spend it.
Interviewer:  Pay it quick. {NW} Yeah. {NW} What did you uh, what did you all use to have to fry an egg in?
853:  Skillet, an old iron skillet. I still got it.
Interviewer:  Is that right? Ah.
853:  Heavy iron skillet. I've still got that old skillet and I I've got them somewhere I think they're just stored.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Stored. Uh. Old black iron uh muffin pans.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy.
853:  #1 I wouldn't #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} that the way it turn. #
853:  Oh, they do.
Interviewer:  {NW} Do you receive skillet's head three legs on it?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Did you receive skillet the head three legs on it?
853:  No. It's just don't have anything on the bottom.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Just a flat.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  You know. {NW}
Interviewer:  Um. #1 What's the difference between a frying pan and skillet? Are they the same thing or #
853:  #2 Yeah. # Right.
Interviewer:  Same thing?
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh-hmm. What, what did people use to have right be black thing that they would set out in the backyard and build a fire under and, and bore clothes in there?
853:  Yellow pot.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  Blue boiling pot.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Yeah. That's all we ever had.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Stand in poncho for thirty minute and then boiling.
Interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  Boil all over on that fire and when the boiled, when that water boil over here over that suds in it, you had homemade soap, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And it made lots of suds and when it would boil over, all that s- smoke and all that ashes would come up and set up right on your clothes.
Interviewer:  Ow. No! That's
853:  If you weren't real careful. It'd boil over on it.
Interviewer:  Uh, I don't know how you keep it from it because you'd have to control over the fire.
853:  Yeah, but you didn't uh, you didn't I pulled the fire out, I would never let it get that hot.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Just enough to keep it simmered around the edge.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  {D: I don't} I've seen people wear clothes that, that's black dirty.
Interviewer:  #1 From heaven that {X} #
853:  #2 I # Didn't do that We never wore our clothes like that. We never were allowed to. We kids and I can remember. Mama make us get in a tub of water every night of the world and uh bathe before you go to bed.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Get in that tub.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  And the boys had to bring the tub of water in there {X} you know.
Interviewer:  {NW} Yeah. {NW}
853:  Papa really made the boys wait on us girls.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He waited on mama hand and foot.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  She waited on him but,
Interviewer:  Yeah, well, works both ways.
853:  So- something that was a man's job, mama didn't do it other than work in the field.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  But you know why?
Interviewer:  Why?
853:  Papa told me one time. He was cute as a {X} Uh, he told me one time he said you know, uh, I just couldn't go to the field without mother.
Interviewer:  Oh, how sweet. {NW}
853:  I have to have her.
Interviewer:  That's nice.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  That's nice.
853:  He said I'd pick on her going keep her up with me.
Interviewer:  {NW} Funny.
853:  And you know. My brothers and I and sisters get together he- {NW} my house has always been head quarters.
Interviewer:  Oh. Is that right?
853:  Yeah, even before mama and papa died.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Mom was sick a long time.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I was there every day and waited on her, she, they lived in town.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I'd go down over the weekend and they'd come out here or not. {NW} Papa could drive, he was, he still had a car and everything {NW} and they'd come out here and stay all the night with us.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  But uh, we kids have talked about it since we've been older. Older, and uh {D: back year} those kind of things. I never heard my mother and daddy have a cross word.
Interviewer:  Is that right. That's
853:  I know they had them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But they didn't let us kids hear them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And you've seen men and women {NW} little old kids standing around, I had a sister that, he thrust and cursed and carried on her husband, and those kids just cried.
Interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  Daddy, please don't curse at mama.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Please don't curse at mama. I never heard my mother and daddy have a problem.
Interviewer:  That's great. That's good for the kids.
853:  That's wonderful.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  That's wonderful. Well, John and I never did.
Interviewer:  Yeah. My husband and I don't have children, but
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 It must be hard sometimes to back your tongue to lighter when you can say some. #
853:  #2 Yeah, you do, you do have children? #
Interviewer:  We don't have any children, huh.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  They have to wait until later to say I didn't like that. {NW}
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  You know.
853:  Well. Uh. They, I don't know why, but we never were allowed to fuss as kids were not allowed to Us kids were not #1 Allowed to #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right #
853:  No No. The first thing mama did. Papa said now listen that's enough. I don't want to hear another word in there. But the boys, we girls never hardly ever fought.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But mama, if the boys got to fussing, I don't care if they're nine feet tall, she called man made him hug and kiss. {NW} They killed them.
Interviewer:  I guess. #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Worst thing she could've done for it, weren't they? {NW}
853:  But uh And mama never uh She wore big old gathering apron tie around it and
Interviewer:  Um-hmm, um-hmm.
853:  And she adopted many of times, she says, all right, young lady. Come here. Come, here. I don't whatever be some little something, she just want to give us spank or what.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  She gave that up and she did this way, and we looked at her just scream.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  With the first holler, she quit.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  She couldn't heard us.
Interviewer:  {NW} That's funny.
853:  But you know, my daddy never hit me a little.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Never. I thought about that lot of times, just wanted my family didn't hate me.
Interviewer:  Why?
853:  'Cause I was the only one that he never did it with.
Interviewer:  Oh. {NW} You're right.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  There's the one that they don't hate you. {NW}
853:  But I'll tell you #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You must had it ramped around your little finger. #
853:  I don't know why. But he was a, if there was any partiality showing he did it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I used to have a leg egg. And with the first holler ma-ma. Papa come out of that bed, I don't care which one it was. He come out of that bed and he got him on his lap and {NW} he rocked us kids If we had feet dragging on the floor.
Interviewer:  My, goodness. That's nice.
853:  And uh I sat in his lap and mama grabbed my legs.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Oh, that's great.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  That's funny. We know it now , not me- not very many fathers would get up and
853:  No they don't Uh-uh. Oh, listen. You let one of us kids get sick and he would enter {X}
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  And then the day, the day my baby was born, she's born in that room of the under.
Interviewer:  Is that right? He would {NS} in advance.
853:  They lived uh He was overseer, three farms out this way. And here we come. He'd been all the way to town in a buggy. They don't sold their car and the buggy, And he got, uh. Some steak. And I don't want all he brought me to eat. And I couldn't eat a bite of my life and spend it that night. But anyway, he brought it. And mama cooked it. She stayed with me. {NW}
Interviewer:  Did you ever get any of them to eat? Or did everybody else have to eat it?
853:  #1 Did I ever get what I #
Interviewer:  #2 Did, did you ever get the, that steak? Or do you #
853:  #1 Oh, yes. That day. #
Interviewer:  #2 Did they # Oh, that's good.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Didn't take you long, did it?
853:  Yeah. The next day was all right. But I liked to bite and anyway, I didn't want to eat.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I guess.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well, um. When you set the table, what are the you put on table when you set the table for dinner?
853:  The uh, back in those days?
Interviewer:  Well.
853:  Now?
Interviewer:  Now.
853:  Anytime. Where you put the plate, knife and fork? And ice tea spoon uh, spoon.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. If you're gonna have steak you might also put what on the table?
853:  Salad of what?
Interviewer:  #1 You're gonna have steak, you might also #
853:  #2 Yeah, yeah, but # You know, use steak knives and
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. #1 Think that. #
853:  #2 Um-hmm. #
Interviewer:  Um.
853:  And a salad fork, you know if you have your #1 Salad separate. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Um. What do you call that thing that you put on the uh, on the stove that you boil water to make tea in? {D}
853:  Stewer. Stewer, little stew pan?
Interviewer:  Um. Okay. Or sometimes just a little thing with a handle of spout?
853:  Tea kettle.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW} Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call that white thing right here that you put flowers in?
853:  "Vase" or a "vase". {C: pronunciation} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. Which one do you say? #
853:  I say "vase".
Interviewer:  Okay. You know any vase as vase?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Do you know anybody who says vase?
853:  Yes, sir.
Interviewer:  You do?
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  People around you saying that?
853:  Ah. Yeah, there's much out of places I would been to say it.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  That is, that really is stupid.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
853:  Now that's all right in England.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I, I
853:  But you couldn't make me believe in a thousand years anybody born and raised in Wichita Falls or or in Arkansas will say "vase".
Interviewer:  I know. {NW} I agree. {NW} That's true.
853:  They're putting on.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too. Uh. After woman washes the dishes then she does what with them in clear water?
853:  They rinse them?
Interviewer:  Okay. Or, if she just dips them in, then you say?
853:  Rinsed them?
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. What do you call that cloth or rag that you use to wash the dishes?
853:  A what?
Interviewer:  A cloth or rag that you use for washing dishes. What do you call that?
853:  Ss-
Interviewer:  Put the put the soap on, you know, wash the dishes, what do you call that thing that you use?
853:  The soapy rag?
Interviewer:  Uh Okay, or You, you usually have it clean fold it up and put in a drawer. You say, reach down there and get a clean
853:  Cup towel.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. That, you use that {D: cup tale} to dry or wash- #
853:  #2 Dry them. #
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh-hmm. What do you call that little square of terry cloth that you use to bathe your face?
853:  Wash rag.
Interviewer:  Okay. That's where I {D:put in.} Um. If you want to just to get some water to drink, you would probably go into the kitchen and turn on the?
853:  Faucet.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. Or if it's out- #
853:  #2 Or hydrant. #
Interviewer:  Okay, so the same thing?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. What if it's out in the backyard, what would you call it?
853:  Same thing.
Interviewer:  Okay. Either one? Faucet or hydrant?
853:  Um-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. What if it's on a big portable water can? This, this big. What, then what you call it?
853:  Well it's still a {NW} Well, now, {NW} I I know locales that they call it spicket.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. Did, did they
853:  But I'd still stay turn on the hydrant or turn on the faucet.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Anybody in your family ever say spigot?
853:  My brother did.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  But he uh He left home with a family of friends of ours and went to Dallas to work up there for him. And then from that he went to work on the railroad and he worked for many years in Canada.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And then Montana and Portland, Oregon. And he called it spigot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, I see. Okay.
853:  He just laughed as us.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I said laugh-? You're the one who is comical, You're putting on.
Interviewer:  {NW} You know, you didn't raise like that. {NW} What did he say?
853:  He'd say, oh, no I learned that from proper-talking people.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And he make fun of us, you know, and often laugh at us.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. Uh. What did uh, what did molasses use to come in, when people used to buy fairly large quantity?
853:  Well, they send it small to large barrows.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um. If you had a salt box and the salt box didn't have uh any spout, did you have to get things {NS} shape like that?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What would you call this thing?
853:  You'd-
Interviewer:  Pour salt.
853:  Funnel?
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Funnel?
Interviewer:  Okay. Ah. Let me see.
853:  Isn't it funny, I nearly forgot that.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  What a fun of us, of course.
Interviewer:  Well, you know the most, the most common thing sometimes, #1 if you #
853:  #2 It's hard to think. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. If you, if you're not using more than sometime, you don't think about what the #
853:  #2 You know, I've got # Two or three in a little drawer over there that I use sometimes to fill up bottles
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh, uh-huh. #
853:  #2 with or # something.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. Ah, what did you use to urge your horses to go faster when your-
853:  Whip.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. If you bought some groceries at the grocery store, the checker would put them in a
853:  Sack?
Interviewer:  Okay, what would that be made out of?
853:  Paper bag?
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Uh. How would you bag, buy a Well, what would fifty pounds of flower come in?
853:  Usually in a flour sack.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  What we use to call flour sack.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um.
853:  And it was cloth.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Was it a pretty nice cloth?
853:  Uh-huh. Made good cup towels.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  That's the only cup towels we had.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay.
853:  Uh-huh. And my mo- my mother used to make my brothers' underwear out them.
Interviewer:  Is that right? {NW} Was it soft enough?
853:  Yes, sir.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Sure.
Interviewer:  What would you, what do you call that thing that potatoes are shipped in? {D: Sackro} bag that the potatoes were shipped in. What do you call that?
853:  Tow sack?
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  That's different from flower sack, huh?
853:  Yes.
Interviewer:  How is it different?
853:  Well, it's an old brown, uh some call it croaker sack.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it's a more like this stuff.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh. Kind of a loose weaves stuff. #
853:  #2 Uh-huh, uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Ah. {NW} What would you call the amount of corn that you might take to the mill one time to be ground?
853:  Ah, you'd say bushel.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um. You might say that wagon didn't have a full load, it just had a
853:  Half a load?
Interviewer:  Okay. Is that the same as a jag?
853:  Ah, yeah. You know th- there's no such a thing, you j- you, that's a slang.
Interviewer:  What, jag is?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Oh. Okay. Well, the jag mean half load or?
853:  Oh, just made it a little dab.
Interviewer:  Oh-
853:  Just had a jag of little jag, just uh
Interviewer:  Oh, I see. Okay, okay. Uh. When the light burns out in electric plant, we have to screw in a new
853:  Bulb.
Interviewer:  Okay, or if you're gonna use two words, you'd say new-
853:  Light bulb?
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Ah. If you carry out washing the hanging up on the line, you carry out in a
853:  Basket.
Interviewer:  Okay. And
853:  Bubble basket.
Interviewer:  What did nails come in usually?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  What did nails come in usually?
853:  Well, they come in different things. They would come in a paper bag, nails.
Interviewer:  Yeah, uh-huh. What if you get a whole bunch?
853:  Well. I don't know. I guess they come in a big, just a big sack.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  He was connected down at Baylor someway, he went to Baylor
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And she said that he told him, he said that if you wanna know anything about McClone county, you go see ms Terrol.
Interviewer:  I
853:  #1 They #
Interviewer:  #2 They have more than one person showing up down here to talk to you. # {NW}
853:  I said now listen. You better make tracks right back down there
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  You threatened her?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Well, what, what has he connected with Baylor do you?
853:  I don't have not. Not much.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But he just knew somebody down there that went to some kind of reading club or some study club that he goes to.
Interviewer:  I see.
853:  I don't know what. But he's always bringing me a whole mess of stuff.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
853:  To read.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 He's just a friend, is that #
853:  #2 Yeah. # Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Well, let's see where it was here.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  {NW} I didn't put on a ho- Well I had on hose {NW} I, yesterday, I went to the store.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I don't go anywhere without hose.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  So I put on hose when I came back, well of course I didn't take them off.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I never do.
Interviewer:  Well, that's one thing that I like it wearing pants, is that I don't have to wear a hose.
853:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 I just hate to wear a hose, ah, hate them, hate them. # 'Cause I can't wear them ten minutes for that for that getting runner. You know it, some people can wear pear of hose for weeks-
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  And be fine, but not me.
853:  Well now you see I'm having a cripple foot. And I wear a little ash bandage nearly all the time.
Interviewer:  Oh, is that right?
853:  Uh-huh. How-
Interviewer:  What did you do to it?
853:  Well, I just fell and broke it and all the bones came out and I had gangrenes.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  I was in a hospital and on crutches to over two years.
Interviewer:  My goodness.
853:  And uh, I've been cripple for twenty-six. So uh, and it, you see, it began to swell.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm. I see that.
853:  And by night it'll just be really high. And, then I can't highly walk, and it's, it's, I can move it that way a little.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But up and down, um.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I see.
853:  And uh. But anyway, I put on my hose with that ash bandage on, I can't walk much without it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I can't pull up my hose or keep them straight, say my life with that snag in them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Oh my little pins.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  I, I come with
853:  you know,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  This can't do things.
Interviewer:  Those little metal gives most. Maybe you should look for one with the plastic. I think I've seen them with plastic #1 things they spend- #
853:  #2 Well # Mine's metal
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What, wha- how did you fall when you
853:  I just stood up and start to step over a little grass. I was working in my flower garden out there, I had everything.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Out that in that fifteen foot between me and the other.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that right. #
853:  #2 On the other side of my drive. # And uh I had a friend that ran a sandwich shop in Bellmead.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  And another friend that helped her. And so I really wanted to go to California to see her son.
Interviewer:  Um-hmm.
853:  She said get a assist to help you while I'm gone. {X} And so she was late and I was out there pulling grass out of that thing and I saw her coming and she always stopped at the front and I wanted her stop at the drive
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I started to step over my foot, this foot did that and this one went back.
Interviewer:  Ooh.
853:  I wasn't fat then, I've been fat as I am now when I had a leg with it. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
853:  #2 Sit down on it. #
Interviewer:  Is it bone sticking it out with
853:  Oh yes I had on hose and they just sticking out then I couldn't tell what that was. {NW} Of course I was excited.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I think I would be little excited myself.
853:  And every bone was sticking out of that hole and I had gangrene by the time that I got to the hospital.
Interviewer:  No kidding.
853:  Lawrence came in and called ambulance and {NW} doctor came and {NW} It's funny to say, nurses, doctors, Marphey, Your pants are unzipped and your shirt tail was sticking it out. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
853:  He got up in a hurry.
Interviewer:  #1 I guess you #
853:  #2 Ew ew. # It was just good day back.
Interviewer:  Um. Yeah, just, just barely {D: wanted}.
853:  But he uh left town, he forgot to tell them to give me penicillin.
Interviewer:  {NS}
853:  I had gangrene the time I got back there he say it.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  But anyway, he's son was graduating in medical school and he was going somewhere we have not.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And he left and And the other doctor didn't do nothing.
Interviewer:  Well, did it get worse then?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Did it, you got a lot worse?
853:  Oh, I liked to die, they for three weeks, they were waiting for me to see whether I was gonna live or die to take my leg off.
Interviewer:  Oh, that's terrible. But they didn't have to do either one. {D}
853:  Oh, it was terrible. For two years I, I go way up here and get all that dead flesh and that
Interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  And my stomach turned black, it was funny thing.
Interviewer:  That's strange, I never heard such thing.
853:  Oh, I had gangrene all over, you know, and I said oh, lord, oh, mercy, and wherever I'd rub it would turn black. Just barely. The way on my #1 Even my arm #
Interviewer:  #2 I bet you were scared. #
853:  Scared? When I heard them, nurses talking, one of them she was real sweet. And uh, she come on that {D} and she'd say, the doctor, the doctors have another doctor called in another doctor that and there's a doctor still think that they'll gonna have to take Ms. Terrell's leg off. I told him later on, I said, if I would have had my crutches, I'd jump to him.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  When I'm out of there.
Interviewer:  Running out of the hospital rim.
853:  But I was in there fourteen weeks. And I came home and stayed about a month and it wouldn't heal. Went back then for skin graft.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I got a new infection that night in food poising. #1 Then I #
Interviewer:  #2 You have the worst luck than anybody that I've ever heard. #
853:  And I stayed five weeks longer.
Interviewer:  #1 That is incredible. Food poisoning from food in the hospital? #
853:  #2 And he looked # At me that morning and when I was vomiting my head off and you know diarrhea. He said I know what I do, I'll just sue the age out of this hospital.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  It was me that, I just took one bite. And I didn't swallow all of it, I
Interviewer:  #1 That must be really #
853:  #2 Terrible. # Terrible.
Interviewer:  What was the matter with it?
853:  It was spoiled and I my daughter was sitting there, she didn't leave that night for several days, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  About three weeks,
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  before I got better enough that the gangrene had subsided. And I said baby, I believe this meat's spoiled. I was eating asparagus and I didn't like asparagus.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  and I thought that might be it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And she smelled {X} she said, why of course mother, it's rotten.
Interviewer:  Ugh. That just makes me sick. Thank god. That's the scariest thing.
853:  In a hospital.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Think of it.
Interviewer:  Really. We're suppose to go to get well. {NW}
853:  {NW} I liked to die. About three weeks, I was real sick. And then I began to get better and I stayed five weeks, came home, I was on crutches and then, in out of the doctor's office over two years.
Interviewer:  That's terrible. That's really awful.
853:  And I've been a crippling ever since.
Interviewer:  All started when you trying to get up fast in there and tripping over something.
853:  Um-hmm. Now, I just see, I just stepped all this here was my flower bed and this little strip of grass over here and then the drive.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I started to step, it was dew wet that morning.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I imagine I had own house shoes at home and
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  And I started to step over and my heel touched that wet.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And this one slipped
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  and this one went back and I sat down on it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Oh.
853:  Crushed it.
Interviewer:  Oh, that just makes me sick. {D}
853:  It was something to see, you should've seen it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Then doctor looked at it one, excuse me, I've gotten a hospital and he says, well, my god, what did you do?
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And I wasn't fat, and I said all two hundred pounds, I sat down on it. {NW} I guess I weighted one hundred and twenty five-eighty.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I have no idea, I didn't weigh very much {NW} But you know, for two years, I couldn't, well I did keep my house.
Interviewer:  And
853:  On crutches
Interviewer:  That's really
853:  But uh I didn't do any work much to work it off, you know and I ate. John was working nights and but uh I stayed with my daughter till they had one little girl. And she got curvature of the spine. And she hasn't have eight fused. And had to have back out bridged.
Interviewer:  {NW} Damn.
853:  And uh so when they brought her back, she had to have a swivel. and I stayed down there night or two after that and I come home. I said no, I could get up and get around on crutches. And I'm not gonna stay here, you got your hands full of. I won't go home and daddy sleeps at home and I have all day to fix meal and I'll have him ready when he gets up.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  And I stayed by myself. At then I had at night, I stayed by myself
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Did that child get to get alright? The child?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  Did the child get alright?
853:  She's not straight but she never complained and never did.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  But she liked her dad point her baby came.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Because her pelvis was so twisted.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And he came to soon. I guess he came about three weeks, four weeks. Three or four weeks ahead of time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh. She lived in commerce and her mom lives in Timbercrest. And we went that morning and she had, she was in a labor, three days and nights terrible.
Interviewer:  Um.
853:  And uh her doctor was out of town, couldn't get a hold of it.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh, worse. #
853:  #2 {D} near time. #
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  And when that baby was born, he'd been wedged down in there, he was as black as he could be and his face were wedged in that pelvis. He was, it was wedged in that pelvis, face was all crooked. And I just knew he'd been so long to be inborn and it wouldn't have good mind.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But If there were was a brilliant child he's born {X}
Interviewer:  Is that right? {NW}
853:  He's fourteen.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Oh, he's a fourteen year old?
853:  He's fourteen.
Interviewer:  Is his face still crooken?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Is his face still crooken?
853:  Oh, goodness. He's a handsome.
Interviewer:  #1 Isn't that right? #
853:  #2 Beautiful child. #
Interviewer:  #1 That's remarkable. #
853:  #2 Beautiful, beautiful boy. # It's remarkable. You'd think I was his mama.
Interviewer:  {NW} He is good looking. {NW} Looks healthy, too.
853:  {X}
853:  You'd get scared, I promise {X} {NW}
interviewer:  {NW} {NS} There we go. I think that's {NS} work this time. Yeah. There we go. Okay. What do you call those things that uh that on barrel that run around
853:  {D: Hook.}
interviewer:  Okay. Um and what do you call that thing that you put on the top of the bottle? Keep the stuff from spilling out.
853:  Stopper.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. Anything else you put in?
853:  No.
interviewer:  What's the stopper made out of usually?
853:  A cork.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Anything else? Could it be made out of anything else?
853:  Well. If yeah I've seen some white plastic corks we'd uh still call 'em cork or stopper.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  What do you call little musical instrument that children play like this?
853:  {D: French harp.}
interviewer:  Okay. And another musical instrument that you
853:  Jew's harp.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Yeah. You pound a nail in with
853:  Hammer.
interviewer:  Okay. And If you have a wagon and two horses, what do you call that piece of wood that goes between the horses? #1 horses? #
853:  #2 Tongue. #
interviewer:  Okay. And if you have a horse pulling a buggy, you have to back him in between the
853:  Shavs.
interviewer:  Okay. Um. On a wagon wheel on inside we got the hub and the spokes go out and the outside, what do you call that?
853:  The rim.
interviewer:  Okay. Is that metal or wood?
853:  It's metal.
interviewer:  Okay-
853:  Both.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It usually it has a sometimes and then there has a metal thing on there to wear well you know.
interviewer:  I see, okay. Would you call it all the rim?
853:  Yeah rim.
interviewer:  Okay. Um. When a horse is hitched to the wagon uh the traces come back, it fastens on his bar wood
853:  Tongue.
interviewer:  Um this one is like just this have one horse. And this bar went like his wagon, here's the horse that probably go this way between that
853:  Eh singletree.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. What if you have two horses and, and you have bar oh a singletree behind each one and then another bar of wood behind them, what do you call the bigger one?
853:  It's still a singletree.
interviewer:  #1 Is it? Okay. #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. #
interviewer:  Um Uh, if a guy had, um He was picking up some woods some place and loading up in his wagon, you know and carry it some place and dump it in your back and get back some more and carry it some place and dump it in, go and get some more, what would you say he was doing that wood?
853:  Stocking it.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  W- or racking it. Sometimes they would say well I got to rack that wood up so's it'll won't be scattered, you know.
interviewer:  Okay. Um
853:  But you know you they usually put it in cords.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  It's stack a cord and then they'll start another stack.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. How much is the cord?
853:  Oh mercy. I don't know.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {D: I didn't know.} I really don't know.
interviewer:  Um
853:  It has a dimension you know. So fine so long.
interviewer:  Yeah yeah.
853:  {X} long ways are in their pieces you know.
interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  But I really don't know.
interviewer:  {X} We got a half of cord of wood one time and just a lot of wood to me, you know.
853:  Mm-hmm
interviewer:  Um when a man brings you some wood, you'd say well, he's gonna have to do what to the wood to give in?
853:  Sort of make it in chunks.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um. Suppose that a tree fell down across the road and you'll gonna have to get out of the way so you can get by, so you, you might attach the big chain to the tree and pull on the chain, and, and do what to get, to the tree to get out of the road?
853:  I guess you'd just say well you got to move it or.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. Uh. {NW} Let's see. After you have plowed, um. A lot of times they go back and break up the ground {D: finer}. #1 You know after it's plowed. #
853:  #2 Uh-huh. # Disk it.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh Is there another name for that besides just a disk? A disk?
853:  Harrow.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um. On a car, there's wheel on a wagon each one, there's a bar that runs underneath it, that the wheels fit on to. What do you call it?
853:  Axle.
interviewer:  Okay. Um What would you call an egg shape frame that you lay a log on to, to chop it up into stove lengths?
853:  I don't know.
interviewer:  Okay. What about an an A shape frame, it's a little bit smaller and um carpenters use them and
853:  Horses. Saw horses.
interviewer:  Okay. And you fix your hair with a comb and a
853:  Brush.
interviewer:  A what?
853:  Brush.
interviewer:  Okay. #1 And #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  You sharpen an old fashioned straight razor on a leather?
853:  Strap.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Razor. R- actually, it's l- razor strop.
interviewer:  #1 Oh, what, is that where you suppose to #
853:  #2 It's, T-R- # O-P.
interviewer:  #1 Oh, is that the way you? #
853:  #2 You # strop it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Is that the way you're suppose to say it?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh Well, see. Oh. If someone was firing a a, a shotgun in and you know when they get through firing and they throw out this empty things, what do you call those empty things?
853:  Shells.
interviewer:  Okay. Is there another words you might use besides shells? That mean the same thing?
853:  No. Not that I know of you you eject those uh shells empty shells or expend it or use shells.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Uh did your husband ever hunt?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  Did your husband ever hunt?
853:  Oh mercy. Yes.
interviewer:  Oh really?
853:  I did too.
interviewer:  You did?
853:  I used to kill wild turkey.
interviewer:  No kidding. #1 Was it fun? #
853:  #2 And deer hunting. # Oh yes. I love it.
interviewer:  How neat. #1 I've always wanted to go hunting. #
853:  #2 I # killed wild turkey on the wing they'd be they soar just like a buzzard.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know.
interviewer:  I don't think I ever seen the wild turkey {D: to know it.}
853:  And I kill one and it hit the side of the mountain and drop back in to the creek.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And John waded out {D: crossed it} and got it.
interviewer:  Yeah. Where were you?
853:  Way down at what we call Leakey. Way down in south Texas.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Leakey. Beautiful place we put up a tent wake up of morning you could reach up and get the s- ice off of the tent #1 inside. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # Oh neat. {NW}
853:  But you had on long underwear.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {D: Rolling clothes.}
interviewer:  Yeah. Did you cook out there?
853:  Yeah oh yes. And I killed a turkey and the boys have gone hunt there out. We didn't go. My sister and I didn't go that morning. And uh I cut that thing up like a fryer. And fried it in a big old skillet.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And then I uh I tried piece by you know, all it would {D: hold} and then I s- stacked it up in there and I put a little water in there and I covered it. It made the best gravy and the best turkey you ever ate.
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  But we course had no dressing you know I no oven or anything to make dressing.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah, can you {X}.
853:  They didn't know what in the world they's gonna have for supper.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And sure enough honey where did you get that turkey? Well, that was a first for my kid.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh my sister when she was little. She was ten years younger than me. She always called me miss Essie. She does today.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And she's seventy-five years old.
interviewer:  Is that right? {NW}
853:  No, not that old but she's seventy-one or two. {D: She's a lot littler than} ten years. {D: I don't know.} But anyway {NW} they like to died when they found out I'd killed that turkey.
interviewer:  I guess.
853:  They that we had a My brother's brother-in-law went with us with his wife and my brother and his wife came later. But anyway Jack didn't believe it. He said I never saw a woman yet that kill a wild turkey.
interviewer:  {NW} Uh-huh and now he's seen it #1 huh? #
853:  #2 Yeah. # But I killed another one after that.
interviewer:  #1 Is that right? #
853:  #2 He saw it. #
interviewer:  Uh-huh. What uh should've been a shotgun, I guess.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Of course it had a buck shot in it.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Because they you couldn't get close to 'em.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It'd be way up in a tree maybe {NW} early in the morning. And they'd start that gobbling. #1 Just like #
interviewer:  #2 Huh. #
853:  a turkey.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And if they saw you they took off. And then that's when you had {D: do you shoot.}
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. How big are they?
853:  Ooh. Big as a turkey.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Average turkey. Went way across the pasture. And you'd see droves of 'em. Maybe there'd be twenty-five or thirty.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And they'd always walk right behind one another.
interviewer:  {NW} Crazy.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  I, it's amazing to me because things can fly being that big.
853:  {D: But you know.}
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  They fly much but of course you know uh tame turkey don't fly much.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  They fly off a barn and go out you know or fly up in a tree. But they don't can't soar. {NW} Go for mile.
interviewer:  Hmm. I see. I guess they won't soar well. Um What would you call piece of, piece of playground equipment equipment where a kid gets on one end and a kid gets on the other and they go up and down like
853:  Seesaw?
interviewer:  Okay. And if you saw some kids over there doing that you'd say hey look at those kids, they're? What would you say they're doing?
853:  Seesawing?
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Uh # uh-huh.
interviewer:  Um What would you call um another piece of playground equipment where you got a board like this and it's fixed it both ends and it's, you know, it's fixed down to the ground. And there's kind of limber in the middle of it, kid can get on the middle and jump up and down on it. Have you seen one of those?
853:  Well, that's kind of like a you buy those things. Mm. Spring board.
interviewer:  Huh. Okay. #1 Did you ever seen one like this that is homemade? #
853:  #2 Yes. Indeed. # Uh-huh.
interviewer:  Oh. What, uh, did you ever see another thing that was that's got a board like this long and it's fixed in the middle and then kid can get on each end and they go around the ramp like #1 that. #
853:  #2 mm-hmm #
interviewer:  A homemade thing, what do you call that?
853:  I guess a merry go round I think.
interviewer:  Okay. Um And if you you put a rope over tree limb and, and attach a a tie, a tire to it. Then what have you got?
853:  A swing.
interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Um What did people use to carry coal in?
853:  Scuttle.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  They're coming a quite popular again.
interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  Uh-huh. They are using 'em for many things in antiques. Uh now my daughter sold 'em for a hundred and fifty-two hundred dollars and they had the rustiest awfulest looking things you ever saw.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the people have gone crazy.
interviewer:  Goodness.
853:  And they all put their umbrella in the corner of a hall like you know
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  stand an umbrella in there.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. Where where is her antique shop, is it near Waco?
853:  It's uh out on La Salle, you know where the circle is?
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well, it's just {D: four it it} you live here. You'd go around down to near the end of Waco and then you'd go down and go up on {D: go around La Salle.}
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it's just before you get to the circle on the right.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Um.
853:  She's got some beautiful stuff in there. {D: Blind swear.}
interviewer:  Where did she get, she buy it from?
853:  #1 Huh? #
interviewer:  #2 Well where did # where did she get that stuff?
853:  Well uh. She has a woman that keeps the shop on Sunday. I thought sure that they wasn't go keep it open on Sunday #1 but they #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
853:  do. And this ms Williams that called me yesterday she's retired {D: or in.} uh She takes care of it on Sunday.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They go to auctions.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Now, Centerville up way over east Texas
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  is one of the biggest antique centers. It's bigger than even Dallas has.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  They went to Dallas {X} I think they bought about twelve straight chair dining chairs.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  They had some tables. And uh, they had a a man was gonna buy his daughter a table and six chairs.
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  And he gave twelve hundred and some odd dollars for that old round table and
interviewer:  #1 My goodness. #
853:  #2 six # chairs for her. She just got married.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see.
853:  And he's blind.
interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  He couldn't see. And {D: Dink} was telling me about he delivered 'em for him.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They don't deliver. But he said since he was blind and getting old, he said he promised him {D: move there}.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He said yeah I'll I'll bring 'em to you. They have a station wagon.
interviewer:  Yeah. That was nice.
853:  Took that table apart.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Took it to him. Put it up for him.
interviewer:  That was nice. He didn't need to do that.
853:  Hmm?
interviewer:  That was nice. He didn't really have to do #1 that. #
853:  #2 No. # No. No. But he said I he wanted to.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  What do you call um that thing that runs from the stove to the chimney?
853:  Stove pipe.
interviewer:  Okay. What's a difference between the flue and stove pipe?
853:  Oh a flue is built from the bottom up through the wall.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then you have an opening in your wall that your stove pipe goes into that flue then from there on up, it carries the smoke and soot.
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  You know.
interviewer:  I see.
853:  Out into the open.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh. What do you call little vehicle that has one wheel usually and you push it? #1 {X} #
853:  #2 Wheelbarrow. #
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  And
853:  You going {X} ones sooner or later #1 that I #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  don't know.
interviewer:  Haven't hit one yet. Uh. What do you carve uh sharpen a pocket knife on? Oh.
853:  You whet it.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 On a # whet rock.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  Or a a yeah that's what you'd call it. A whet rock.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh What do you call a bigger kind that you have to pump and it turns #1 around and #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  #1 when you hold it? #
853:  #2 That's a # uh Well I declare. Grind stone.
interviewer:  I thought that was gonna be the one. {NW} Um if something is squeaking in your car you go and have 'em some real heavy sticky stuff in it. What do you?
853:  Lube oil.
interviewer:  #1 Okay or? #
853:  #2 Or # no you you thinking about axle grease.
interviewer:  Oh okay. Okay. Uh, and so if you're gonna have to go and have that stuff put in the car, you said I'm gonna have to have the car?
853:  Uh oil drained.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh
853:  Greased.
interviewer:  Okay. And if if that stuff got all over your hands you'd say your hands are all?
853:  S- Gooey. {NW}
interviewer:  Okay. All right. What's another word you might use besides gooey means the same thing sort of?
853:  Sticky.
interviewer:  All right. Um if you had grease on your hands your ha- you'd say your hands are all?
853:  Greasy.
interviewer:  Okay. Yeah. Uh. {NW} Did you ever see people make a a make shift kind of lamp with a bottle of some kerosene in a rag stuff down #1 in it? #
853:  #2 Hmm-mm. #
interviewer:  What do they call that?
853:  Uh well it's just a a It's kind of like a uh candle you know.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. Uh. Toothpaste comes in a?
853:  Tube.
interviewer:  Okay. And it's um uh people have just built a boat and they are fixing and pushing out into the water for the first time, you say they're fixing to?
853:  Launch the boat.
interviewer:  Okay. Um what kind of a boat would you go fishing in a small lake?
853:  Just a s- a paddle boat.
interviewer:  Okay. #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Just # little skiff like you know. #1 know. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Well does it have a pointed end at uh both ends or is it just a pointed at one #1 end? #
853:  #2 It's # it's straight across one end and rounds up to a point see? Kinda like this.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  Haven't you seen 'em?
interviewer:  I guess I have but you know my home town we don't have any water. {NW} There ain't any water for miles.
853:  At lake uh at lake Wichita's pretty good.
interviewer:  Well. Yeah there are some people who
853:  But they don't do like they do out here at the lake do they?
interviewer:  #1 No, huh-uh. #
853:  #2 It will have #
interviewer:  It's not pretty for #1 one thing. #
853:  #2 No. # Well you see they you pull up the string here and you sit here.
interviewer:  In the back?
853:  Uh-huh. And then it runs to a point and then you have another seat in the middle.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see.
853:  It'll carry uh I'd say four. Good.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Not often that you have one that sits w- on the seat back here. but one I mean.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. I see.
853:  But that's the back end.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And that uh makes a little weight and that keeps up front end out of the water and it skips through #1 easy. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh # I see yeah. That's enough fit to sit in the back. Now I just don't know much about boats cuz lake Wichita is uh It's so brown and ugly that
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Not much of anybody goes out there. Well I guess something to do there. #1 There's some houses and #
853:  #2 We always # had a boat. Our land bordered on both sides of the river.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Brazos.
interviewer:  Yeah. I think that'd be nice cuz that's pretty #1 out there. #
853:  #2 Uh-huh. #
interviewer:  That's real pretty.
853:  And we uh always had a boat. The boys and papa would fish. We always went from Chalk Bluff and Bosqueville up to Aquilla. All up close to Hillsboro.
interviewer:  Oh. That far?
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  That's a good #1 ways. #
853:  #2 We'd go up # there and we'd camp for a week when they laid the crops by.
interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  {D: And step} the whole family. Uh as I said my daddy didn't go nowhere without my mother.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And {C: laughing} but uh
interviewer:  That must have been fun. #1 Just take all of the kids. #
853:  #2 Oh it was delightful # and then course we could gather up all the kids in the community that their daddies didn't fish and
interviewer:  #1 uh-huh #
853:  #2 wouldn't # take the boys hunting. Papa got the boys a gun. He taught all the boys how to hunt and uh he'd show 'em what to kill and what not to kill.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 And he'd # uh, take that {X} I guess. {NW}
interviewer:  Oh, it did! Didn't #1 it? #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  Does that happen very often?
853:  I don't know.
interviewer:  Huh. Well.
853:  Isn't that something?
interviewer:  Yeah. You know recently my uh my parents electricity went out in their house and what happened no it was the phone. The phone went out and what happened was somebody was they were doing some construction work and they hit one of the main phone lines from like a quarter of Wichita Falls and
853:  Mm.
interviewer:  You know one fourth of the city, everybody's phone's {D: brown}. {NW} {NW} Somebody, mother's neighbor came over to use her phone.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  And said you know she wanted to report her own phone is is uh dead and mother's phone was out too, mother didn't even know.
853:  {D: Well.}
interviewer:  Uh. Let's see. Oh. If a woman wants to buy a dress of a certain color, a lot of times she'd take along a little square cloth to use as a?
853:  Gusset?
interviewer:  What's what's a #1 gusset? #
853:  #2 Where'd # she put it?
interviewer:  Well, she just take it so she can match the color.
853:  Oh yeah a swathe.
interviewer:  Okay okay. Um. Sometimes in the mail, you'll get a a little tube of toothpaste or little bar of soap as a?
853:  Sample.
interviewer:  Okay. Um. If a girl, a little girl has on very becoming dress, you might say, my what a? What dress?
853:  Becoming or pretty?
interviewer:  Okay okay. And the little girl might say, Susie's dress is pretty but mine is even? What?
853:  And mine is what?
interviewer:  Susie's dress is pretty, but mine is even?
853:  Prettier.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Uh. To sign your name in ink you use a?
853:  Pen.
interviewer:  Okay. And hold the baby's diaper in place, you use a
853:  Safety pin.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Or diaper pin.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Except they don't anymore, they stick 'em.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  {X} #1 those paper that #
853:  #2 Right {X} # that's right.
interviewer:  {D: You don't have to worry about the pins.} Um. Soup that you buy comes in a
853:  Can.
interviewer:  What kind of can?
853:  Tin.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh. A dime is worth?
853:  Five penny I mean ten pennies of course.
interviewer:  Okay. And um describe forming what all a man would wear to church on Sunday.
853:  Well mine get up at one and he shave and he'd uh put on a shirt. And put on his trousers.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Socks. And his good shoes. And either a sport jacket or the coat that went to his suit.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Sometimes if you have a three-piece suit that?
853:  Yeah a vest.
interviewer:  Okay. I think those look nice.
853:  He in the winter time he thought he had to have a suit or the vest.
interviewer:  Uh-huh uh-huh.
853:  But of course they quit wearing 'em you know for while.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 But they're # coming back.
interviewer:  Oh yeah.
853:  #1 Real opulent. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # {X} I just think it looks so good.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  I like that. Uh if a, if a man was working out in the barn and doing dirty work, what would he probably wear?
853:  Overalls.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh. You might say, that coat won't fit this year but last year it?
853:  Fit.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {D: mm-hmm.}
interviewer:  And say you just bought a soup, so then it would be not an old soup, but a?
853:  New.
interviewer:  Okay. And then what?
853:  New soup.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  And if you stuff a lot things in your pockets, your pockets stick out or?
853:  #1 Bulge. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Uh you might say this shirt, this shirt isn't sanforized, I hope it won't?
853:  Shrink.
interviewer:  Okay. I have a friend who who threw a sweater in the in the dryer and she didn't look to and it said you know do not #1 put the dryer. #
853:  #2 No with the # heat.
interviewer:  She said she got it out, looked like a little doll's sweater.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  {NW} Have you ever done that?
853:  No I never did. Uh. I nearly always and I do yet, when I had a washer and dryer.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I gave mine to a woman that had five kids, I thought she needed it worse than I did.
interviewer:  I think so. {NW}
853:  And she wasn't very well.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh I had access to the washer here right here close by.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And I said, I'll just send my sheets and {D: pillowcases} to the laundry and I do my own hand washing.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah yeah.
853:  And that way you don't get too hot of water. #1 and #
interviewer:  #2 That's # right and you don't have to worry about throwing things in the dryer.
853:  No.
interviewer:  Yeah. My husband is I talked to him last night, he just gone to Penny's to look at some jeans we're gonna go on vacation in week or so, we're gonna go hiking up to the mountains. And uh he my husband's so proper. He, when we got married, he didn't even own pair of jeans. And, but now he does, and he needed a new pair, you know us, he was asking me about how much they were gonna shrink up. And if they were part polyester then I think that they would shrink and all that. Yeah. {X} the polyester too in the cotton and polyester.
853:  Yeah they do, they will.
interviewer:  {X}
853:  If you had the temperature wrong for 'em.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But I'll tell you the thing that you can be sure of that uh polyester will wash just as well in cold water as warm or hot water.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Right.
interviewer:  I'll tell him that tonight when I talk to him cuz he's worried about 'em shrinking up.
853:  No.
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  It's the change from the hot to the rinse water.
interviewer:  Oh #1 {X} #
853:  #2 {D: Cool.} #
interviewer:  Is that right that makes 'em shrink?
853:  That makes 'em shrink.
interviewer:  Huh. Okay. {X} Uh. Talking about thing shrinking, you might say that shirt that I washed yesterday?
853:  Shrunk?
interviewer:  Okay. And lately it seems like it seems like everyone I have washed has
853:  Shrunken.
interviewer:  Okay. And, let's see. If a woman likes to put on good clothes, you say she sure does like to?
853:  Dress up.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  You like to dress up?
853:  Oh indeed.
interviewer:  I don't. Well, my husband likes to dress up more than I do. I sort of like to, sometimes.
853:  My daddy always said I had more pride than brain.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And you know my sister in law'll come down here now.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  John's sister. She's the only one in the family living. And she'll come in at back door. She would say well be safe where you're going. I said nowhere, why? Why you got on that dress on?
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And I said well uh I bought this dress to wear at the store. And to clean up and wear when I get through cleaning up the house.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh it's seven or eighteen years old and I don't wear this kind of dress to church.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Wear short sleeves.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I either wear three-quarters or a jacket you know.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, I don't know how you afford that kind of clothes.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And I said well, that's what I worked hard all my life for.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. She just don't dress up that much I guess.
853:  Oh no. She don't care.
interviewer:  Uh. Something you carry your money in, you call a?
853:  Purse or handbag or {D: purse.}
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  We used to call 'em purse. They call them handbags now.
interviewer:  Okay. And if it was small and had little clasp on it, you just carry?
853:  Coin purse.
interviewer:  Okay. And what would a woman wear around your wrist?
853:  Bracelet.
interviewer:  Okay. And Say you have a bunch of little beads strung up at together have to go around your neck, you'd say you have a what #1 of beads? #
853:  #2 Necklace. #
interviewer:  Okay or a?
853:  Strand of beads.
interviewer:  Okay. And what do men wear to hold up their trousers?
853:  Belts.
interviewer:  Okay, or used to be they wore?
853:  Suspenders.
interviewer:  Okay. Ever heard 'em called anything else?
853:  Galluses.
interviewer:  Mm-kay.
853:  Did you ever hear 'em called galluses?
interviewer:  Not until I start asking people in in this #1 interview and then heard that since then. #
853:  #2 Yeah. Galluses. # Mm-hmm. Galluses.
interviewer:  Uh. When you make up the bed the last thing you pull up when you make up the bed is the?
853:  Bedspread?
interviewer:  Okay. Ever heard it called anything else?
853:  Uh. Yeah they used to call it counterpane.
interviewer:  #1 Uh okay. #
853:  #2 Or # counterpin we called it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But it's spelled pane.
interviewer:  #1 Huh? #
853:  #2 Counterpane. #
interviewer:  Okay. Uh. At the head of the bed, you put your head on a?
853:  Pillow.
interviewer:  Okay. And what do you call those things that they're like a pillow except they they go all?
853:  Bolster.
interviewer:  Okay. Did you ever had one of those?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  I never, we didn't ever have one.
853:  Yeah. I used to have #1 one. #
interviewer:  #2 Do # you sleep on those too, or are they just {D: or not?}
853:  {X} Often.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Because they're they're round.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they are stuffed pretty tight, that's just to make your bed look pretty.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see. Uh. What would you call a bed cover that, that's old fashioned and they used to hand piece 'em out of #1 leftovers? #
853:  #2 Quilt. #
interviewer:  Okay. Did you ever quilt anything?
853:  Oh yes.
interviewer:  Really? I always thought that would be fun.
853:  Aw. Oh I I like to quilt but I don't like to piece a quilt. I've got some beautiful quilts. Tops.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  That would make a a beautiful old-fashioned bedspread #1 you know. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh uh-huh. #
853:  Put a ruffle under it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And put that on top and it's so colorful they're just beautiful. I have one that uh my aunt was ninety some odd years old she lived in Houston and she made it for me and I've never fixed it.
interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  But uh I I'll tell you. It had a block of a little basket of flowers.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Appliqued on it.
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  And then it ha- it had a plain block out of that same solid material.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  {D: Domestic.} And she had drawn that same basket of flowers on there to be embroidered. Well I brought it part of it on my machine.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  My machine {D: you know} I had just gotten it. Just before I had my eyes operated on. And I never have been able to use it very much.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Because I # can't get down. I can't get back {X}.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Now I can see off out yonder. I can read the highway sign behind.
interviewer:  Oh. Uh-huh. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 That's # something most people can't do.
interviewer:  No I can't do that.
853:  No. I'm sure.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And and then I can r- read all day.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But in between I can't see you know. Uh the the bifocals are not.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 It's # so I can't sew very much on my machine.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I've been trying to. I tried to give it to my granddaughter and she wouldn't have it.
interviewer:  Huh. I'm just opposite I can see up close real good.
853:  Mm.
interviewer:  But then I can't anything more than about twenty feet away I really don't do too well with it I have to go up and look.
853:  #1 Yeah. #
interviewer:  #2 Squint. # Put on my glasses.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Have to wear my glasses to drive, you know.
853:  Well, I have an excellent I had an excellent uh operation.
interviewer:  Oh, it was it?
853:  Beautiful.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Uh-huh guess I was what you might term blind before I had it.
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  Uh I had quit driving my car after John died. And it was pretty hard for me.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh I s- still went to church.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And I drive and go church.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And I'd stay on my side. Turn around on the church yard. Wait 'til everybody left come home. But I couldn't go at night.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  But uh I can go anywhere anybody else can now.
interviewer:  Yeah. That's great. Will did it come out, come on sort of gradually?
853:  No. No, he operated on it one morning. And he came in that operated on one eye came in that evening to dress it. And when he got the dressing off he I was laying there you know and he says uh can you see daylight? And I looked at him, I looked at him and this one was all bandaged up you know and he's getting it ready to operate the next morning.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I said uh yes sir you got on a I told what kind of suit and a polka dot tie.
interviewer:  {NW} He liked had a fit. {NW} Uh, let's see. Uh. What would you call a makeshift sleeping place down the floor where children
853:  Pallet.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. And you might say we expect a big yield from that field this year because the soil is very? Very rich or or what's another word for rich?
853:  Wealthy.
interviewer:  Uh, well, for soil, we're talking about soil. The soil on that farm.
853:  Oh, it's uh fertile.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  And, uh, what would you call flat low land that's beside the stream that, old stream of flows on it and spraying the, you going them plant stuff in it, usually grows pretty well down there. What would you call land like that?
853:  You mean a flat surface?
interviewer:  Well, down by a stream. Where you plant stuff. Where overflows, you know, and #1 you put that #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  dirt from the creek and
853:  Yeah it's it's fertile.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. What would you call an area like that?
853:  Creek bed.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. And what would you call a field that's not good for much in, except just to raise grass and stuff for hay.
853:  It's just a pasture land.
interviewer:  Okay. And what would you call uh some land that had water standing on it all time? About that much water.
853:  Well, it's um. Oh, mercy. {NW} It's like we have it all in south Texas.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. #1 What you think of it #
853:  #2 Overflow. #
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
853:  #2 Or no. # No no that's where the creek {D: rises on it.} Oh I that's that. I know exactly what it is.
interviewer:  Well you stop me if you think of it, okay? Um. What kind of soil do they have around here anyway?
853:  It's uh between uh sandy and uh uh {D: kinda clay and then} #1 {D: loam like.} #
interviewer:  #2 Oh is it # between?
853:  Uh-huh.
interviewer:  That's great. That's a good kind.
853:  It's good soil. It'll grow anything in the world.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. That's great. We got that old black clay, up {D: where on there}.
853:  Right.
interviewer:  Oo that stuff is bad.
853:  I don't know it.
interviewer:  It's really terrible, it's so sticky and and.
853:  But this is a, what they call it sandy loam.
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. That's good. We have to have that stuff hauled hauled in if you want to grow a garden in your backyard.
853:  Mm.
interviewer:  You have to have somebody go and haul in some sandy #1 loam. #
853:  #2 Right. # Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Break up that clay. Uh.
853:  Marshy land.
interviewer:  Oh, okay. #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Wet # stand you know it's marshy.
interviewer:  Okay. Say you got some marshy land and you want to get that water off. What do you have to do it to get the?
853:  Uh it's most unlikely that you could do anything. You might could put a drainage and drain it off
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  but it would have to be coming periodically from some other place. I mean a a spring maybe bubbling up somewhere.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But just marsh lands that would just stand after rains and uh maybe from an overflow of a creek that there's just some of 'em just don't ever dry up.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Less uh marshy land there's nothing you can do about it.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. Well, um say you're gonna try. You'd have to dig a a?
853:  A trench.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Trench it or ditch it.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um what's the difference between a ditch and a canal?
853:  Well a canal is uh s- supposed to have flowing water.
interviewer:  Mm. Mm-hmm.
853:  And a ditch can be dry.
interviewer:  Uh, okay. Is there any difference in the size?
853:  No.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Well I I it could be and it couldn't. Wouldn't have to #1 be. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 You # can have a big ditch or you can have a little ditch ravine light going down through your farm.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  And then a canal you know is uh {D: a run it} with running water.
interviewer:  Okay. What do you call a little place that's been washed out by the rain like across the road or something like that?
853:  A wash out.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Seems reasonable. Uh what would you call a great, big one that place has been washed out, you know, over the years, maybe ten feet cross and ten feet deep. #1 What would you call that? #
853:  #2 Well it # it could be a gully.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  Gully washer. {NW}
interviewer:  What's a gully washer?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  What's a gully #1 washer? #
853:  #2 A # gully washer is a a big rain and that {D: washes things} and leaves of gully.
interviewer:  #1 Okay, okay. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  It's a gull- you mentioned the ravine, is a gully and a ravine the same thing? #1 Or did you? #
853:  #2 No. # No. A ravine is uh usually has a fed by a spring or some #1 little #
interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
853:  creek that comes into it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And a gully is a it's just been washed out by periodical rain.
interviewer:  Oo.
853:  Heavy rains. {NW}
interviewer:  Um what all creeks are there around here? You mentioned creeks.
853:  Oh well. Right on up over this way a little ways going to Axtell is uh Tehuacana creek.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And there's um {D: cowhide} creek down toward Marlin road.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Old Marlin road. {D: And} I don't know I don't guess there's any others.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 We # don't have many.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm. They ever have much trouble with these uh creeks overflowing?
853:  Oh yes. Tehuacana always does. I've um I've walked over there {D: when it'd} come big rain and Tehuacana would be out.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Has high bridge across it.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well of course when you go cross Tehuacana Creek, you go right straight up under the highway again. I mean it's just right uphill.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the same way it's g- more gradual {D: this side.}
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 Of Tehuacana. # And uh then the railroad bridge comes across Cotton belt Saint Louis south western.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh And then down here on this this used to be the old Axtell road.
interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  This Harrison street #1 was. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah # uh-huh.
853:  And you went right on and you they just widened it. This back here is a just went right on into it, see.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Carried it right on, but when you get way on out on top of the past Tehuacana Creek well then it branches off and goes around, goes into Axtell. And this goes on to cross {D: Saginaw.}
interviewer:  #1 Oh, uh-huh. #
853:  #2 This # back here.
interviewer:  Uh #1 I see mm-hmm. #
853:  #2 You know. # uh-huh And then uh then we had what they call the lower Axtell road now.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And is a right down here, there's a lane that goes through and that's {D: Piton} lane and it goes into the old uh Axtell road again and comes in and goes right into Axtell.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  So it's just used to have little cow trails.
interviewer:  Yeah. You got several ways you can get there, huh? Uh, let's see. What would you call a, a big rise of land?
853:  Hill.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Um What do you call that thing right there that you turn to open the #1 door? #
853:  #2 Door # knob.
interviewer:  Okay. Would you ever use knob to, to describe something like a hill?
853:  Yeah, knob hills. I don't know what the difference is in that now.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 But # that's just a little knob hill they'd say.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. I don't know what that is either.
853:  I don't know what the difference #1 is. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # Other thing we never had in Wichita Falls was #1 yes. #
853:  #2 Um # Yeah. I think that it it's like a other things, it's a the locality they would call well, this a knob here over yonder by Smith's place or so and so #1 you know like #
interviewer:  #2 I see. #
853:  something like that.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I think that it's all depends on the locale.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. That's probably right. Um. What would you sa- what would you call the side of the mountain that drops off real sharp?
853:  Bluff.
interviewer:  Okay. Anything else you might call it?
853:  Well I uh No. S- wall.
interviewer:  Okay. That like that thing that uh turkey ran into that you shot.
853:  That what?
interviewer:  That turkey that you shot that wild #1 turkey. #
853:  #2 Yeah. # It hit uh {D: oh my} side of the mountain.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh.
853:  Bluff or {D: high} bluff.
interviewer:  Okay. Um up in the mountains mountains where the road, there's a low place like this. And the road goes through the low place what do you call that, that low place like that?
853:  You mean a tunnel?
interviewer:  Well not #1 just a #
853:  #2 No # there's no close uh enclosure.
interviewer:  No. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Enclosure # would be a tunnel.
interviewer:  Yeah. Well just a low place in the mountains #1 where the road {X} #
853:  #2 Well it it's # you just uh they built the road through that tunnel through the bluff.
interviewer:  Mm-kay okay. Um used to be back in the old west when a when a gun fired it would kill somebody he'd he'd carve a little thing in his gun handle or in his belt or something. #1 What do you #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  call that little thing he carved in his gun handle? #1 Just take a #
853:  #2 Notch. #
interviewer:  Okay. Did you ever hear notch to used to talk about hills and stuff or place between hills?
853:  Where?
interviewer:  That, did you ever hear the word notch used about hills?
853:  No.
interviewer:  No. #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Never did. #
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  No, they notched their gun for every one they'd killed.
interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. #1 Strange. #
853:  #2 Thought it # was smart.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {D: Not terrific.}
interviewer:  Really.
853:  Tragedy.
interviewer:  What do you call a place where uh boats stop and they unload freight?
853:  Dock.
interviewer:  Okay. And a place in a river where a water with the water falls down a long way, what would you #1 call that? #
853:  #2 Waterfall. #
interviewer:  Okay. And uh
853:  At uh, Ore- Oregon has the most beautiful everywhere you look's a big waterfall.
interviewer:  Really?
853:  Just beautiful.
interviewer:  Oh, I wanna go.
853:  And out in Arizona
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  uh Manzanita, no. That's in uh Oregon. But uh, you go to the out from Sedona a little ways and you can climb up ladders and go up in there and you can find Indian skulls and there's the pans they cooked and ate in you know.
interviewer:  #1 No kidding #
853:  #2 There was an # Indian you know #1 place where they lived. #
interviewer:  #2 They still find that stuff huh? #
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  You can still find that #1 stuff? #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm # yes. It's beautiful up there.
interviewer:  Neat. Uh What are most of the roads around here made out of?
853:  Asphalt.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Gravel.
interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Um in an asphalt road, what do you call that black stuff that they put #1 down #
853:  #2 Tar. #
interviewer:  to? Mm-hmm. #1 Smells terrible. #
853:  #2 Yeah, tar. #
interviewer:  #1 #
853:  #2 #
interviewer:  Uh
853:  Most of their country roads of course are just gravel.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 But they're # getting to where there's hardly any. Now long before this was {D: taken into} the city of Bellmead uh they had it asphalt on top of it. It was not gravel, just gravel.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. So they have a good road here.
853:  {X} Uh-huh.
interviewer:  Yeah. Um what would you call a road that's just doesn't even have gravel on it, it just a?
853:  Well you could call a little country road.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  Just a little road.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 You could say. #
interviewer:  If it's not paved, you'd call it a?
853:  Road.
interviewer:  Okay. Um. #1 Uh. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  What would you call a little road out in the country that goes off the main road?
853:  Trail.
interviewer:  Okay. If, if you drive a car down it, would you still #1 call? #
853:  #2 Yeah. # Uh-huh.
interviewer:  Okay. Um would that be paved or not?
853:  No no no. It that uh the horses and the the {D: trenchant} just went through there.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And made a trail and you'd follow it because it was led to an opening all along where you could get through.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Uh suppose uh, you are going down the the paved road, you know, public road and a man's farm was off over here and he had a road going down from the public road to his house, but it was all on his land.
853:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
interviewer:  #2 You know. # It might be paved or not, what would you call road like that?
853:  It's just a road that leads up to the man's property.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. Um. What would you call the track where you drive your cattle down, when you take them to pasture?
853:  Trail.
interviewer:  Okay. And have you seen those big plantations, you know, big white houses with the columns #1 and tree #
853:  #2 Yes I saw them. #
interviewer:  lines #1 thing that #
853:  #2 Right. #
interviewer:  goes up to it. What would you call that kind of road that goes up, you know with trees on both sides?
853:  It's just another uh driveway.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh a-
853:  Anything that's made would be considered a driveway up to a house.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um what do you call that strip of pavement beside the street that you walk on?
853:  Concrete.
interviewer:  Okay. That, you know the down the I don't think you have one out here but most residential neighborhoods, you know right besides the street, there's a little #1 thing that's just? #
853:  #2 Side walk. #
interviewer:  Okay, okay. And do you have a name for a strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street?
853:  No.
interviewer:  Okay. Um say there were a couple of boys walking across the field and they see some crows out there in the farmer's corn, so they're gonna reach down and pick up a rock and then they did what with it?
853:  Threw it.
interviewer:  Okay. And uh so when the kid, when the kid uh gets over to the farm, he says to the farmer say, I picked up a rock and I?
853:  Threw.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 At # at the birds or the crow or #1 whatever. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Okay. Um. Let's see. Say somebody, um when, whey your husband was still living, say he was working out in the garage out there you know, and someone came to the front door to see him. And you, what would you say to tell 'em where he was?
853:  He's in the carport or around the back in the garage.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh. Talking about putting um milk in coffee uh some people like it?
853:  Cream.
interviewer:  Okay or if you
853:  Half and half or.
interviewer:  Okay. Do you ever drink with just milk in it? Do you drink it with, do you drink coffee?
853:  Na- yes, I do.
interviewer:  Yeah. Do you drink with something in it or?
853:  Sugar.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. No, no cream or #1 {X} #
853:  #2 No # #1 cream. #
interviewer:  #2 Or # milk?
853:  No, I told you. We weren't milk drinkers. #1 Yesterday. #
interviewer:  #2 Oh, that's right. #
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 Well I think you wouldn't #
853:  #2 I never tasted it. # Far as I ever know. And my family, none of 'em ever knew me tasting it. And the reason for that was I told you that my dad thought I could I thought he made the moon and hung it and {D: he did of me too.}
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he wouldn't drink milk. And he always told me it was nasty.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 I know, that's the reason. #
interviewer:  How funny. Okay. Let's see. If someone oh. {X} I'll tell you what, I'm gonna give you a sentence and just kind of fill in the blank, okay? You might say, some people like their coffee, mm milk that some people like their coffee mm milk. Just fill in those blanks.
853:  Some people like their coffee black.
interviewer:  Okay. Or that #1 some people #
853:  #2 Or #
interviewer:  like their coffee?
853:  With milk.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Um if someone is not going away from you, he's coming?
853:  Toward you.
interviewer:  Okay. And say you saw somebody in town this morning that you, that you you haven't seen in a while. You might say, well I wasn't looking for him, I just happen to?
853:  See him.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Um if a child is given the same name that her mother has, you would say the child is named?
853:  After the mother.
interviewer:  Okay. Hmm. Let's see, we were talking about cows and mules and horses and stuff that you have on a on a farm. What smaller animals would you have around?
853:  Well, there's sheep and goats.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And calves. Hogs.
interviewer:  Did you ever have just pets?
853:  Pets?
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Oh, lord. We always had a #1 pet. #
interviewer:  #2 What # did you have for pets?
853:  Well, we had goats.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They would they made the life of pets. And my brother especially had a goat till he was a grown, grown man.
interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  And the neighborhood called him goat.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  My brother.
interviewer:  How funny. {NW}
853:  #1 {X} #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Because he
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  he loved 'em and
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 he # raised 'em and Papa'd sell 'em off and
interviewer:  #1 uh-huh. #
853:  #2 we'd # kill him off and never often that we'd kill that my daddy wouldn't kill anything that the kids had uh as a pet.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He'd sell it when it got old and had to, or whatever.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But he wouldn't ever kill off anything.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Did you have a cats or anything like that?
853:  Loads of 'em.
interviewer:  You did.
853:  Pour out that milk. Out. Always had a pan out in the milking lot. #1 You know. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh, uh-huh. #
853:  And mama the boys would milk a little and she'd say now son feed your cats while you're out there.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Give your cats some #1 milk. #
interviewer:  #2 Huh. # What other pets did you have beside the #1 cat? #
853:  #2 We had # dogs. Cats. Rabbits.
interviewer:  No kidding, rabbits, my goodness. {NW} #1 Uh #
853:  #2 And # anytime a bird was found anywhere we thought mama had the magic touch. And she'd splinter a leg or wing.
interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  Bring in that bird in and
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  that bird as long as we lived there that bird would go and come back.
interviewer:  Huh. Isn't that something?
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  Even with the cats, huh? #1 The cats that are- #
853:  #2 Right oh listen. # If a cat ever my brother could {X} throw a rock a mile. And if a cat ever chased a bird
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 especially # a mocker {D: I wouldn't care a} red bird, we had plenty of 'em.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I will tell you, he'd pick up rocks and he'd wham 'em.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And they'd go leaping off and they didn't chase #1 birds anymore. #
interviewer:  #2 I guess, I guess. # Oh, what would you say to your dog if you want him, wanted him to attack another dog?
853:  Go get him.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  Or sic him.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Sic it. Sic him. Sic him.
interviewer:  What kind of dogs did you have?
853:  Any kind. We had a always after I met after we married I always had a {D: bird dog} I mean a bulldog.
interviewer:  Oh, really? They're cute.
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  They're so funny looking. #1 Fa- face little pushed in face. #
853:  #2 Well uh I had a # English bulldog.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I didn't know he would bite. And one of the neighbors near across over that {D: nut house} she came over here to bring me some uh fresh vegetables. And she went around the house and he loved her to death. And she had on no long s- sleeves {D: mop and a bonnet.}
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And he'd never seen her like that and he'd got her down in my yard, I wasn't here. He almost ate her up and she got loose and ran and he he knocked her down about middle ways home and got her again.
interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  I dressed her wounds. Legs. Stomach.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 Neck. # For a solid year.
interviewer:  That's terrible. He really got her #1 good. #
853:  #2 He nearly # killed her.
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
853:  #2 And they # didn't blame nobody. I'd thought they'd get mad.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I paid all of the bill. mr Bledsoe didn't want us to but John said, now wait a minute, Jim. I want to.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And uh.
interviewer:  Well, did the did the dog see her after that and, and or?
853:  Yeah, but we tied him up and kept him until the doctor, the veterinary said that it was past time for the rabies.
interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 For him # to die. And we gave him to uh oh, it was public in the paper, you know, published. Everywhere.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 They # come from far and near wanted that dog. And we gave it to uh a dairy farm down close to Marlin. They came up here and got him.
interviewer:  Is that right? For a watch dog, is that what they were?
853:  Huh?
interviewer:  What do they use him for, a watch dog?
853:  Yeah.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  So obviously a good one.
853:  They turned him loose at night and nothing bothered their cows and calves.
interviewer:  I guess.
853:  Chickens.
interviewer:  Yeah. That's scary.
853:  Terrified me.
interviewer:  I guess. Uh.
853:  But you know. Uh I did we didn't have that porch screened in then.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And John worked nights. And his name was prince. And I could go out there and I'd say come on Prince. Sit right here now. And he'd sit there as long as I stayed out.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And every once in a while I'd say, go get it.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And he'd circle the house, snorting. #1 Never would #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  bark.
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Come back and sit down.
interviewer:  Huh.
853:  {D: Just good to say well nothing there.}
interviewer:  Huh. What um you might say talking about dogs that bite, you might say yesterday our dog did what to the postman?
853:  Bit? {NW}
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  {X}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  You ever been bit by a dog?
853:  {D: No.}
interviewer:  Me either. One time though um I was walking across the neighbor's yard and now it wasn't even in their yard but a dog next door I didn't, you know, I wasn't even, I didn't see the dog until this dog comes in bounding across the yard at me and was a collie. And that dog was going for my throat, scared me to death.
853:  Mm-hmm.
interviewer:  But his owner saw it #1 and #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  and called him off you know before he get to me. {X} I don't why he was gonna bite me, but he sure was.
853:  Well I swear this dog was done going after her throat and she was screaming.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  and ms uh her mother heard her and she came out and {D: grabbed} a hoe and beat him off of her. {D: You wonder how to} knock her down.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He's a big dog.
interviewer:  #1 Oh, he was? That make- #
853:  #2 English bull. #
interviewer:  #1 #
853:  #2 #
interviewer:  Mm.
853:  Ugly as I am.
interviewer:  {NW} Oh, come on. {NW} What would you call a mixed breed dog?
853:  Half breed.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Or # mixed.
interviewer:  Okay. What if it was a worthless good for nothing kind of dog, what would you call him?
853:  Just call him an old mangy #1 dog. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  What if it was a, a little, little bitty? yappy kind of dog, what would you call dog like that?
853:  Well now sometimes there are different type dogs.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You'd say it it might be a little poodle.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Or it could be a little uh fox terrier #1 Or something #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  you know a small dog #1 breed of #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  dog.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Did- #
853:  #2 You # specify. He had any signs that he was a poodle.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Inside. #
interviewer:  Yeah. Well I've got a dog that doesn't have a signs of being anything. {NW}
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  #1 All- #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  Um let's see here. Oh. If you wanna say you have a cow. and you want to have the cow bred, take her to somebody who owns a
853:  Bull.
interviewer:  Okay. And if you have two mules pulling a wagon, you'd say you have a what of mules?
853:  A team.
interviewer:  Okay. If you have four mules pulling the wagon would you call that a team, or would you call #1 it something else? #
853:  #2 No you'd say well # {D: now we've got well had to} pull that wagon with four.
interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  You specify.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. Um. If you have a cow named Daisy, who is expecting a calf, you might say next week Daisy is going to?
853:  Uh have her baby have her calf or whatever.
interviewer:  Okay. Uh A female horse is called a?
853:  Mare.
interviewer:  Okay. A male horse is called a?
853:  Stud.
interviewer:  Okay. And let's see. If you couldn't say, if you couldn't stay on, you'd say I fell? #1 What the horse? #
853:  #2 Off. #
interviewer:  What?
853:  Fell off of the horse?
interviewer:  Okay. And Say little child went to sleep in his bed and he found himself on the floor the next morning,
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  he'd say, gee, I must've?
853:  Rolled #1 off. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Uh what do you call those things that you put on a horse's uh feet to protect 'em?
853:  Horseshoe.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. And the part of the feet that you put it on is called the?
853:  Hoof.
interviewer:  Okay. And, and a horse has four?
853:  Feet.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Or hoof. #
interviewer:  #1 Four what? #
853:  #2 Hooves. #
interviewer:  Okay. And #1 what? #
853:  #2 Hooves. # Yeah.
interviewer:  What do you call that game that you play with the #1 horse? #
853:  #2 Horseshoe. #
interviewer:  Okay, okay. #1 Did you ever play that? #
853:  #2 It's # a horseshoe, yeah.
interviewer:  Yeah I I never did.
853:  Oh, listen. Kids used to had uh have to play things like that.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They didn't have any games, you know.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They had to make their own entertainment.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  {D: Unless really never happy.}
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  They were busy all the time planning.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Or # doing.
interviewer:  Trying to think of something. Yeah.
853:  Right. Right.
interviewer:  Uh A male sheep you'd call a what?
853:  I'm telling you.
interviewer:  {NW} Well what's a female sheep?
853:  It's a he's a ram.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And she's a well I'm telling you,
interviewer:  {NW} It's the first #1 one. #
853:  #2 {D: Stopped.} #
interviewer:  Okay, that's a female sheep?
853:  No, I don't know what it is. I said I'm #1 {D: stung.} #
interviewer:  #2 Oh # you're {D: stung}. I'm sorry.
853:  No.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh I guess you'd call her a a ram and a female.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  I guess.
interviewer:  All right. Uh what'd they raise sheep for?
853:  Wool.
interviewer:  Okay. And Oh if if you had a hog that that you didn't what do I say, let me ask you this first. What do you call a male hog?
853:  He's a barrow.
interviewer:  Mm-kay. Okay. Now is is a barrow uh Let's see.
853:  Let's see now is it barrow or boar.
interviewer:  {X} {NW} #1 I don't know. #
853:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  Well can if you have a male hog that you don't want to be able to to #1 mate #
853:  #2 Yeah. #
interviewer:  what do you have to have done to #1 him? #
853:  #2 You # operate on him.
interviewer:  Okay. Then you call him a what?
853:  Well he's just a hog.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Uh what do you call the stiff things on their backs on the hogs' backs that they they use them in brushes and things.
853:  Yeah. I know it. Uh Well I'll declare.
interviewer:  You can just stop me if you think of it. Anytime anything you think of it tell me stop me.
853:  Bristles.
interviewer:  Okay. All right. Um those big teeth that a hog #1 has. #
853:  #2 Fa- # uh that's fangs.
interviewer:  Okay. Ever hear 'em called #1 anything else? #
853:  #2 Teeth. # Teeth, I guess. {D: Just are} big fangs.
interviewer:  Okay, okay. Are they mean?
853:  Not necessarily.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Now there is wild hogs,
interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. #1 {X} #
853:  #2 when we w- # When we'd go deer hunting, you had to be careful.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Carry a big stick.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 Along. #
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Course you couldn't done anything with it but they didn't know it and there's always {D: in a ravine.}
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Dry creek.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And here they'd come.
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Short steps {D: little} teeth sticking out there.
interviewer:  Ugh.
853:  Scare you to death.
interviewer:  They look like they would be mean.
853:  They were mean.
interviewer:  What did you, did you have name for 'em besides just wild hog?
853:  Yeah no what just a wild boar.
interviewer:  Well okay. Uh uh those things that you put feed into to feed the hogs, you'd say I have three or #1 four? #
853:  #2 Trough. #
interviewer:  What?
853:  Feed troughs.
interviewer:  Okay. Um.
853:  Is that what you're talking about?
interviewer:  Yeah, uh-huh. Did you all ever have, how many of those did you all have, usually?
853:  Oh, we usually had a long one and then we'd have some small ones on each end for the little pigs.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 Or # the smaller hogs.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 They # couldn't fight the big ones away
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {D: up in the} big ones.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. Uh if you were gonna tell me about them you would say well we had we had several small whats?
853:  Troughs.
interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
853:  #2 Feed # troughs.
interviewer:  Okay. Um #1 what #
853:  #2 And we'd # you know we'd we'd call the the scraps from the table and milk and water uh dish water.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 Uh # {D: I don't care how much} soap and we used lots of then.
interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
853:  #2 It # didn't hurt the #1 hogs. #
interviewer:  #2 No kidding. #
853:  And you pour that in this barrel too.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then it was carried and you slopped the #1 hogs. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. # {NW} Really was sloppy too #1 I guess. #
853:  #2 Mm. #
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  But you know it was carried {D: for the outhouse} just like it was good to eat.
interviewer:  Is that right? Huh. Well, they, it was good to eat for #1 them I suppose. #
853:  #2 It was for the hogs and then # and then it would get smelly if you didn't tend to it. #1 You can #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
853:  keep it covered and flies would collect you know.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Now we never and you didn't have any screens in you know.
interviewer:  Oh, is that right? Hmm.
853:  #1 No. #
interviewer:  #2 So it was # just open.
853:  Absolutely. All the doo- windows and doors,
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  no screens.
interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Now of course you can't remember that far back.
interviewer:  No.
853:  But after I married, we built this house, we we didn't have any screens.
interviewer:  Is that right? And you had to leave the windows open all the time cuz you didn't have #1 air conditioning. #
853:  #2 I know it. # And why we didn't have flies, I don't #1 know. #
interviewer:  #2 You # didn't?
853:  But we never had uh then you know a fly got in here the other day and I like never got that thing out
interviewer:  #1 Oh. #
853:  #2 killed. #
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He wouldn't {D: light is a kinda} {NW}
interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And he never {D: light.}
interviewer:  That'd drive you #1 crazy. #
853:  #2 Finally # I got up the next morning, he had he was ha- he {D: lit on} down the sink.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I right here I got my swatter.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I went over there and killed him.
interviewer:  They get tired after a while but sometimes it takes a #1 day. #
853:  #2 But # you'd think you'd have swarms of #1 flies. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # #1 I would've thought so. #
853:  #2 Well. # I've been places where you couldn't eat {D: for 'em.}
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But not us, we never did cuz we were never allowed to put anything on the ground out around the house.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 The dogs # were fed out away from the house.
interviewer:  I see. That probably helped. Mm-hmm. Um. The noise that a calf makes when it's being weaned, you'd call a?
853:  #1 The what? #
interviewer:  #2 The # noise that a calf makes when it's being weaned, what kind of a noise does he make?
853:  Bleat.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Kinda like a sheep, you know it it kind of bleats a little #1 bit. #
interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Uh what do you call a gentle noise made by a cow during milking time?
853:  Mooing.
interviewer:  Okay. And a gentle noise that a horse makes would be a?
853:  Whinnying.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay.
853:  Is that it? Right?
interviewer:  #1 Uh, just whatever you call is right. #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 A bunch of people {X}
 say #
853:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  bunch of different things, you know, so just whatever you #1 say. #
853:  #2 You mean # you don't ever think to contradict me there #1 or? #
interviewer:  #2 Hmm-mm. # No, I don't. {X}
853:  I don't know what all this is for.
interviewer:  Well. People are just curious about these things. Just want to know what {D: words} says, you know, what is makes a lot of noise. Uh if you got some mules and cows, and so on and they're getting hungry, you have to go out and feed the?
853:  Animals or the mules.
interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Whichever one or if you'll say you better go out and feed the stock.
interviewer:  Mm-kay okay. And if you got hens and turkeys and chickens and all that kind of stuff, you got to feed this, now I gotta go feed the?
853:  The chickens.
interviewer:  Okay. #1 And #
853:  #2 That # included anything that had feathers.
interviewer:  Oh.
853:  {NW}
interviewer:  Okay. And uh a hen on a nest of eggs is called a?
853:  Setting.
interviewer:  Okay. And where do the chickens live?
853:  What?
interviewer:  Where do the chickens live?
853:  They have a, hen hou- we always have a what we called a hen house.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh.
853:  And by the time they got big enough to go up this little ladder onto the thing
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  they had boards they'd set on up there and roost on at night.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  I've gone out there and {D: bought a decide I} wanted to dress a hen had somebody to say they'd be here earlier the next day and eat #1 lunch. #
interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
853:  I said I got to go get an old hen, dress her tonight.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  John said well what for? Can't you dress her in the morning? Not and get you off to work and {D: babies} off to school.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I got to dress that hen tonight.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And he'd say well I'll I get the ladder and and we'd go out there and he'd {D: hold and he'd say} which one you want, they'll be setting up there.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
853:  #2 Sleep. # You'll be {D: surprised.}
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Oh dear.
interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I'd I'd know about which one was you know had just laid her litter at.
interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah. #1 Yeah. #
853:  #2 And # I'd get one that you know wasn't a laying hen.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
853:  #2 Right # then.
interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But a good healthy hen that had just got through. They'll lay so many eggs and they don't lay for a while anymore.
interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh. I see, yeah. What, what would you call a place where you kept 'em that was smaller than the big hen house?
853:  Uh Coop.
interviewer:  Okay. Okay. Uh What was coop usually made out of?
853:  Wood.
interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Or tin. {C: distorted}
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh, let's see. {NW} Oh, when you have fried chicken, what do you call that part of chicken that the kids get a hold of?
853:  Pulley bone.
Interviewer:  Okay. What's the deal with the pulley bone, you get to make a wish or
853:  Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Who gets to make the wish? Which one?
853:  The one that gets shortest one.
Interviewer:  The short one?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  We always did it with the one got the long one.
853:  It, was it?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I think we did the short one.
Interviewer:  Isn't it funny?
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um. {NW} What do you call the inside parts of the chicken that you can eat?
853:  Gizzard?
Interviewer:  Okay. What, what uh- the gizzard, and the heart, and the
853:  Oh, yeah.
Interviewer:  liver, all that stuff what do you call give the name for all that stuff together?
853:  No. I, just uh you'd, you'd call them separately. Uh, you like the gizzard.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  I like the liver.
Interviewer:  mm-kay. Okay.
853:  And uh I don't eat the heart, maybe you eat the heart.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  And, you know.
Interviewer:  What, what do you call the inside part of the pig or calf that you can eat?
853:  Well, that's a, you had the liver,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  that you can eat.
Interviewer:  Um. What do you call the stuff from the inside of a, I guess a, pig, usually, they used to stuff sausage in?
853:  Stu- stuff the sausage in?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It was a the entrails.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  They clean them.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  You know, and it was intestines.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
853:  They cleaned them.
Interviewer:  Did you all ever do that?
853:  No. My dad no {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Sounds terrible. #
853:  #2 My dad wouldn't # stand for it. But I'll tell you, by the time when you got them clean, you've done a mammoth, mammoth job and they were cleaned.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  But I, we never did.
Interviewer:  Would I take all day?
853:  Well, my mother always made sacks.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And by the time I was eight or nine years old, she'd cut those long strips, and you'd fold them up and you sew down across the end back up
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And, they'd be about that about that big around when you get them stuffed.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And lord, have mercy, if you think that wasn't a job stuffing one night long.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy. I guess. About that'd be about what, two inches round across, I mean two inches in diameter?
853:  Yeah, but you see the way you do that, you don't, you put this open on something on glass, maybe.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And put them down in there, jar, big old jar, and then you take this uh, sausage and you'd roll it up and drop it down there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  See,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then you'd shake it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Not mash it to the sides yet.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then you drop some more till you get toward where you pack it down
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  First thing you know, you kept this this way and get it down there, and it'd be stuffed tight and you drop some more in there and you
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  do it same way.
Interviewer:  Huh. I see.
853:  Take all day.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. I see that. Uh.
853:  But we stuffed it in, old sheets
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see.
853:  My old ragged sheets, mama'd take them and she'd tear long strips and fold them back to about that long you know.
Interviewer:  About, two feet long?
853:  Yeah. Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh And then you'd tie up here you know with a s- twine string.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You got flour in sacks.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And you'd unravel that, and we'd make cup tails out of the sacks.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And then we'd save that big bowl of twine through the years
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh we wrap that around and tie it.
Interviewer:  Huh. Amazing. Uh Do you hear your cow mooing and your horse neighing, you might say Gee I didn't realize it was so late, it's almost
853:  Bed time.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or, Say it's time to go feed them, you'd say
853:  Right, uh-huh. They're, yeah, they're hollering.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  For food.
Interviewer:  It's almost what time?
853:  {NW} Feeding time.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh how do you call cows to get them to come in from the pasture?
853:  Soo cow.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Soo Cow.
Interviewer:  {NW} {NW} What about calves? Do you call them the same way?
853:  Oh, they come with a mama.
Interviewer:  Ah. Okay. What would you say to a cow to make her stand still during, while milking her?
853:  You, you hit her.
Interviewer:  Oh. {NW} I see.
853:  I say all right, Maggie. Hit her up here on the hip, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  I didn't do a lot of milking, but I liked to milk.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. I feel it's already fun. I never got to milk cow.
853:  And uh she wiggling, she'd move that leg up so you couldn't get to the bag,
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  or you know all the tit.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I say, all right Maggie, and push back with my hand
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  I didn't want my put my hands on it, you know. And it'd make me smell my dirt like that with my back of my hand
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Mama died if she'd know you touched anything after you went out without washing
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  But you know, I've had my brothers say, well mama, the black boy, Alec and uh whatever his name was, Dewey, Alec and Dewey would, they'd milk after we played ball, they don't have to scrub their hands and clean their fingernails, mama says well, your milk goes right down through your hands.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And who wants to drink it?
Interviewer:  Yeah, really.
853:  She was a awful, awful my dad was too.
Interviewer:  About being clean? About clean hand? That's good. It's good, part of the reason all you all were healthy.
853:  I know it! We never had to have a doctor.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, Mm-hmm. What, um. What would you say to the, to mules or horses to make them go left or right when you're plowing?
853:  Gee and haw.
Interviewer:  Which is which?
853:  Gee Haw was left.
Interviewer:  Gee was right?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. How would you call the horses to get them come in from the pasture?
853:  Oh, you whistle for that.
Interviewer:  Oh,
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Hey.
853:  Here they go.
Interviewer:  How do you do that? Whistle three
853:  {NW} I used to like I got all these teeth ou- or split, {NW}
Interviewer:  Wow.
853:  Yeah. I used to good whistle a tune. {NW}
Interviewer:  How do you do that? I don't know how you do it.
853:  {NW} {NW} You just got to get your tongue just right and get it on your lip where the air comes out. {NW} {NW} And I'd uh {NW} {NW} You know some lab, I could whistle anything and I sometimes I can now but not often Uh, I could've been a ventriloquist.
Interviewer:  Really?
853:  I can close my mouth sometimes and whistle tune you could hear it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Over there. With my mouth closed.
Interviewer:  Is that right? Nobody know you would one do anything
853:  None in here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. I'll say you do it. What would you say to the horse to urge him on?
853:  Get up.
Interviewer:  Okay. Is that when he was standing still or when you were already going
853:  Well, already going, you'd say get up! Get up! Go on!
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay.
853:  Go on.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Get.
Interviewer:  What would you say to stop him?
853:  Whoa.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what would you say to make him back up?
853:  Back up now, come on. Back, back!
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And how would you call hogs to feed them?
853:  Whoo pig. Whoo Whoo
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  They may come, huh?
853:  And, and you just had a certain little power, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they'd come running.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What about sheep? Did you ever call sheep in?
853:  No. We never did have, only pet sheep.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh. What about chickens? Have you called chickens?
853:  Chick chick chick chick. Come, chickie.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Come on.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Come on, baby.
Interviewer:  Uh. Before you can hitch uh a horse to a buggy or a wagon, what do you have to do to it, or put on him?
853:  Put on his, you put the, ha- bridle on him.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And sometimes they have a halter on the mules to get them go on a plow work with.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then you put a, the breast, works
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Goes on here that, goes into the, back to the trace back there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What do you call those?
853:  Single tree and the Well, it's a, have a collar, big old collar, you know, goes around there
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And it fastens onto that breast work.
Interviewer:  Okay. If you're gonna go out and hitch him up for the wagon, you say, I gotta go out and what the horse?
853:  Hitch up the mules.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay.
853:  You'd better get the mules hitched up to the wagon now, we got to go get down the patch and bring in some
Interviewer:  Okay. If you
853:  Wood.
Interviewer:  You're plowing, what do you call those leather things that you guide them with?
853:  The lines.
Interviewer:  Okay. And if you're just riding the horse then what do you call those leather thing?
853:  Leather bridle. You know, it have the bridle and the reins.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And Where you put your feet into when you ride the horse?
853:  Stirrups.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh If you have two horses when you're plowing. And what do you call the one who walks in for a call 'em anything different?
853:  Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. {NW} If something is not right near at hand, you'd say, it's just a little not right here but it's just little
853:  Little distance over there.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay . And say you've been traveling and you, you haven't finished your journey yet. You might say that you have a Aw, what to go for-
853:  A long ways yet.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Long. {NW}
Interviewer:  If something is real common and you don't have to look for special place, you'd say, all right fine, that's just about
853:  Anywhere.
Interviewer:  Okay. And if you slipped on the ice and fell this way, you'd say you fell
853:  Backward.
Interviewer:  Okay. And if you fell this way, you'd fell {X} Okay. Uh. {NW} If someone breaks something of yours and you're telling him it's okay, you might say, aw, it's all right. I didn't like it what?
853:  {NW} It's all right. Just don't worry about it.
Interviewer:  Okay. All right. Um.
853:  I said that when I could cried.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you have to wave and say it just to make
853:  That's a that's just kind of, fibs you're gonna have to answer for too.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You know,
Interviewer:  But sometimes to, feel like you have to make the person feel better.
853:  I know it, but then to keep friendship.
Interviewer:  Yeah, right.
853:  You really do.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Sure. If you, if you have a a good yield one year, you'd say this year we raised a bumper
853:  Crop.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And If you got rid all the brushes and trees on some land, you might say you did what to the land?
853:  Cleared it.
Interviewer:  Okay. And Um. Sometimes if you go in a cut the grass for hay, lot of times it would grow up again in same year and go back to cut it again. What do you call it when you cut it again?
853:  Second crop.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what do you call a old, dried dead grass that's, that's left over on the ground in the spring? Just lying there, you know. Dead grass from the season before.
853:  Mm-hmm. You mean what you do with it?
Interviewer:  What do you call it?
853:  Cover crop.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  They'd just a cover
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Ground cover.
Interviewer:  {NW} What you call a crop that you didn't plant this year but just came up anyway?
853:  Wild grass or wild crop, or stuff. Volunteer.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh-huh. Volunteer. If a, if it's greener or something that comes up after you harvested a crop, Uh-huh.
853:  You'll say, well, I got a pretty good volunteer crop.
Interviewer:  {NW} That happen very often?
853:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Especially with oats.
Interviewer:  Is that right? Let's see. Comparing how tall you are, you might say he's not as tall as
853:  I.
Interviewer:  Okay. And again you might say, I'm not as tall as
853:  She is. Or
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  He is or
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  They are.
Interviewer:  Comparing how well you can do something, you might say he can do better than
853:  I.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And say person had been to New Mexico, and he hadn't been
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  any further west than New Mexico, you know. He'd say that New Mexico is as, what as he never been?
853:  Far west.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. {NS} If somebody's been to your house for party or something they, forgot their coats, you might gather fix later get out the car, you might run after them with their coats, and say here's
853:  You forgot your coat.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. {NW} If nobody, you might say, if nobody would look out for them, then they've got to look out for
853:  Themselves.
Interviewer:  Okay. And a if nobody else it gonna do it for you, he better do it
853:  Himself.
Interviewer:  Okay. And I never stopped right there. {NS} Okay. Let's see.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Oh. Um. {NW} What do you call that stuff that you, that you toast to have a bread for two kinds of bread. {NW}
853:  What?
Interviewer:  Two kinds of bread. Basically, there's homemade bread and the other kind is
853:  Bought bread?
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Hmm.
Interviewer:  And uh, what other kinds of breads are there besides just the kind that comes in loaves?
853:  Well, there's a buns for hamburgers.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, yeah.
853:  And this a rolls for hot rolls.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know, brown and serve
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  like
Interviewer:  What else?
853:  And this uh eh there's sweet rolls.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You know, like a
Interviewer:  Did you, did you ever make sweet rolls?
853:  Oh yes.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I see.
853:  I used to coo- I used to make fifty and sixty sheets of, I mean not that many sheets, but at least fifty or seventy-five dozen of uh cinnamon rolls.
Interviewer:  Um. Goodness.
853:  Sell them.
Interviewer:  Yeah, does that when you all had this a-
853:  Had a market.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  On a, north eighteenth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Right across in front of Sears on the corner there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And next door was an ice cream parlor.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Robinson's. And they'd give us ice cream everyday and I'll tell you, we thrived on it.
Interviewer:  I guess. I drove out by there when {NS} Um. Also drive, go by Dairy Queen stop, had some ice cream.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh. What other kinds of bread are there?
853:  Oh, I don't know this uh of course, you know there's corn bread and
Interviewer:  Yeah. What all different kinds of corn breads are there?
853:  Well, you know there's several kind, let's see. Kind that water bread, water corn bread. Did you ever make any?
Interviewer:  No.
853:  Well, all you do is put salt and, and it's real good, you ought to try it. Ah. You mix about a third as much flour as you have meal.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And you mix uh, salt it like about like you would've if you was gonna cook corn bread.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then you take uh an onion, and cut it up real fine in there. And then you put enough hot water. In there for to be not runny like you would corn bread. but enough that you could pick up a spoonful and put it in a hot grease, and fry it.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Fried corn bread.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Did you ever fix any?
Interviewer:  mm-mm.
853:  Oh, it's delightful.
Interviewer:  That sounds good.
853:  I like it better than I do baked corn bread.
Interviewer:  Is that right? {X} What kind of grease do you fry it in anyway?
853:  Just uh, well, it's better if you have fried meat grease.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know, bacon drippings.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But I use uh Mazola.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Or you know
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um. {NW} How'd you when you baked corn bread, how did you fix a pan? How, what did you do?
853:  Well I put nearly half in and half flower and meal.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
853:  And then I put a little soda, a little baking powders
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And uh milk.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And even if I put uh, use sweet milk which I do.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  'Cause I don't buy butter milk, you know, but I buy sweet milk. for to make cream potatoes and such.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh I put uh, and make it uh pretty thin batter and pour it in a I used my old iron skillet.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  'Cause I usually make it when I'm gonna have my brother an his wife, and my sister and her husband. and my s- daughter and her husband, myself we all get together here when they come to town.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  See, my brother lives in San Antonio.
Interviewer:  Oh, is that right? It's not too far.
853:  And he comes up, regular.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Ever few weeks.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  And uh {NW}
Interviewer:  Did uh
853:  Put it, you bake it this, you know, in that skillet.
Interviewer:  Did you ever, did you ever see people uh make a, make some cornbread and, and put it in front of fire on the board put in front of open fire, you know?
853:  Yeah, now that's a uh we never did.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  {NS} But {NS} you know, they don't put a lot of stuff in it,
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I mean like a um baking soda and baking powder, maybe it'll be water bread still. Uh, it'll call it a pone.
Interviewer:  Po- uh-huh.
853:  Yeah. Corn pone. And it sits kind of like water bread, you know, it does-it's I don't like it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But now this uh
Interviewer:  What when you say water bread, what's water bread?
853:  When you use water instead of milk.
Interviewer:  Oh. Uh-huh.
853:  And, and of course it's not as rich
Interviewer:  It's not as rich.
853:  No. Now if you make a this I'm tell you about frying, that's kind of like hush puppies.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Not exactly but it's kind of.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Like hush puppies.
Interviewer:  I like hush puppies.
853:  I do, too.
Interviewer:  How is it different from hush puppies?
853:  Hush puppies?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, uh you put an egg in that.
Interviewer:  Oh, I see.
853:  In that, in the hush puppies.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  And it's a little lighter, it's little more like regular backed corn bread, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But the other is has hot water in it and enough flour until it sticks together, see.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And it's uh it's real good.
Interviewer:  Sounds good.
853:  I like it. I cook it sometimes for myself. just a little dab.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You don't have to have in a sifter 'cause you know, you don't put nothing in it
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  To mount anything.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh but plenty of salt.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Enough that it, you know, you can really taste salt in it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then I make it in if I have two, three small pieces left after I cooked it from night or lunch.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well, then I put in a piece of it and put it in a oven tomorrow and warm it up.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. That's good.
853:  It's just good to as fresh.
Interviewer:  Did you ever put sugar in any of the corn bread?
853:  I don't but a lot of people do.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Did you ever hear what kind of corn bread they cook in the ashes in the fire? stick it right in the ashes there or, I think they put it in a pan, put the pan in the ashes.
853:  Yeah, I'm sure you do. No, I never did cook it in that way. But my grandmother did.
Interviewer:  {NW} Um. Did you ever cook any, just in a, you said a big old skillet, the big round skillet.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Do you cook it on top of stove with that one?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  You said you put it in the oven?
853:  Yeah. Uh-huh. You can cook it and then, you usually have to have something to turn it out on, see. And turn it and put it back in the end. And it'll stay together, don't crumble I mean when you turn it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And uh you can cook it on top.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You have to cook it slow.
Interviewer:  Do you like it as well that way?
853:  I don't like it near as well as I do cooked in the oven. That type bread, I like it in the oven better.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think I do too.
853:  But you are to try that uh co- fried corn bread, you know.
Interviewer:  Sounds good.
853:  Like a, put the onion in. chip it up in there you know
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then don't uh, have your water boiling and you'd first mix all this stuff good and then you stir your water in there enough that it's not runny.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It, when you dip it up, it's uh like cream potatoes.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  Thick. you know what I mean.
Interviewer:  #1 I see. They use stone hot #
853:  #2 Stays together. # And I just take, I've got an old uh silver spoon. that I went house keeping with that wasn't very good.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And I just reach down in there and get it and put it in there and if I want to, then I'll turn it around and over, when about and get it then and I'll take my spoon and mash it down a little bit.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Yeah.
853:  Shape it soup myself.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. Sounds good.
853:  And if you want to, and you've got a deep enough pan and you won't uh make it, well you can make it in little long sticks.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. My husband likes it that way.
853:  Uh-huh. You can take it in your hand and roll it, see. Now, old crazy me, I take a piece of wax paper and roll it in it until
Interviewer:  Yeah?
853:  I get it.
Interviewer:  When do you bake those? or do you just
853:  I just drop it in that hot grease.
Interviewer:  I have to tell buddy that way. 'Cause he likes them that way.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I hope he's Did you ever hear of kind of corn bread that was um oh Uh you boil it in cheese cloth with beans or greens or something?
853:  Boil it? in what?
Interviewer:  In cheese cloth with some beans and grease?
853:  Corn bread?
Interviewer:  Yeah. And
853:  Oh.
Interviewer:  Uh-or, or in them in chicken.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Did you ever, did you ever
853:  No, I never have cooked in that way.
Interviewer:  Um. Did you ever hear of kind of corn meal, that you cook in a deep pan and then you when through cooking, you dish it out like mash potatoes
853:  Yeah, like cr- you know, like mush.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Is that good?
853:  Sure, uh-huh. Yeah. #1 Takes- #
Interviewer:  #2 What is it, what- #
853:  It takes little more seasoning. You'd, season that like you would grits.
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh.
853:  You cook it like grits.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You'd put butter. And a lot of people in their grits I don't, I like salt and butter
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  cooked in my grits, and uh, but a lot of people salt and pepper. you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  In grits.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Or malt o' meal you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  You cook that cornbread just like that.
Interviewer:  Sounds good. Um. {NW} What you call that kind of bread that sweet and fried in a, in and, and it has a hole in the middle?
853:  Doughnuts.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. What do you call that kind of doughnut that's long and twisted like this?
853:  Little layer, they're twist, or or I guess that would be it.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. {NW} How do you, what do they put in donuts to make 'em rise?
853:  Uh, you, you fix in just like you do cake batter.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Only you, have it, you don't put as much liquid in it, so you could roll them out and then cut them.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  See. And then you have a doughnut cutter you know all, biscuit cutter comes with the donut cutter.
Interviewer:  Oh, is that right?
853:  When you buy.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And it's got that little bitty one.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  In the middle.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And you untwist it and it's on two a little knobs that sits that got a hole in this little thing and you twist them on there and you cut your doughnut out and those little old things that comes out in that little deal about that big around
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  They are delightful to drop them in a hot grease.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. I bet so.
853:  Yeah. That is real. Good.
Interviewer:  {NW} Um. Did you hear of a donut that has three little strips across a hole? Um. What if you just took a big lump of donut dough, you know without cutting out with
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  the cutter and just fry it that way, would you
853:  It will be like that twist, long,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  it'd be, it'll cook like that.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. What do you call those uh things that, that you stack up and put
853:  Hotcakes?
Interviewer:  butter up. What?
853:  Hotcakes?
Interviewer:  Okay. What it,
853:  Or, or pancakes.
Interviewer:  Was it the same thing?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. What do you usually make them out of?
853:  You make them with flour and, you put uh little bit of lab thing that you know uh
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Baking powders.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Salt. And sweet milk.
Interviewer:  That- that's too many
853:  Isn't that something? Hmm.
Interviewer:  It's just dirty and that's not turn in green. It just gets dirty. {NS}
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Um. {NS} {X} What do you pour over uh, pancakes when you
853:  Syrup.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Did you ever use anything else? #
853:  #2 Maple. # Maple syrup. Huh?
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. What, do you ever use anything besides maple syrup?
853:  Yes, mama used to make it. We called it home made syrup,
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And she'd uh, brown and little bit of sugar in a stewer or in a skillet.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  They're, it's better because it's heavy, you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Don't burn things too quick. And she'd brown that little dab of sugar and she put uh some water and enough sugar in there to make it get syrupy. thick like as thick as maple syrup, you know it's runny.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  You know how it is. And then you use a we didn't ever have it when I can remember, uh, maple flavoring, you can buy it now.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But you couldn't then, and she'd use vanilla, that was only flavor you had that and spices of some kind.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And my dad likes spices and she'd put nutmeg in that syrup.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And make those pancakes.
Interviewer:  Sounds good.
853:  Now if you, you think that wasn't a job to cook for thirteen.
Interviewer:  {NW} Why commend you.
853:  Well, I'd say twelve. Because as I said that, one sister died when she was #1 about three. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah, oh yeah. #
853:  And uh, I've, remember when we was all at the table at one time.
Interviewer:  Um. And she had to cook all that.
853:  Year in a year out. And I've cooked for um all of them.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Long before I was twelve years old.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  #1 I'll tell you something. #
Interviewer:  #2 I don't see how you did it. #
853:  I'll tell you one thing, and I'm not bragging, but I used to be the talk of the town for cook.
Interviewer:  I guess. I guess you got lots of practice.
853:  I really did.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And uh, when I moved out here I could really cook.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And John'd thought I was raised in town, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I was raised on the farm until I got fifteen years old.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And he thought that I didn't know how to do anything, one of his brothers would just threw a fit because John married that little old silly girl. country city gal.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But the first Sunday we were married and then the next Sunday, we married on Saturday, and we already had our apartment. And uh And then the next Sunday, we went out here to home place. Till the end of this one. And then the next morning we got up, my I told his mother, I said I'll make the biscuit if you like for me to, I I can do that and you know where everything else is and then I can make the biscuit. And I made popovers, up, popover you know. You would roll them pretty thin you ought to try. fulling.
Interviewer:  {NW} Yeah.
853:  Roll them pretty thin. and then put either melted butter or just a little bit of of Crisco melted.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And just take your fingers and put it all in there, and then fold it and roll them again and cut them out
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And you take them out, you got a little thin biscuit two of them.
Interviewer:  Huh. Yummy. That, just makes it to divide, I get them.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Um, that sounds good. They all, they all had a fit on edge of may head
853:  Whoo. Where'd you learn to do that?
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  I said I don't know, I've been doing all my life.
Interviewer:  Eh, just born knowing how.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Comes naturally.
853:  Yeah. Just like the girl with a pretty hair, oh, I manage.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  How do you keep your hair look so pretty? Oh, I manage.
Interviewer:  I manage, some how. Uh-huh. {NW} Ah, what do you call that stuff that you put in bread to make it rise?
853:  Baking powders.
Interviewer:  Okay, or the other stuff was
853:  Soda.
Interviewer:  Okay. And then the other stuff is
853:  Yeast.
Interviewer:  Okay. And You might say you went to the store and buy two what of flour?
853:  You what?
Interviewer:  You went to the store to by two what of flour?
853:  Two Um kinds, or two pounds.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Two pounds.
Interviewer:  And the two parts of an egg, or the inside parts of an egg
853:  White and yolk.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, and the yolk is what color?
853:  Yellow.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh if you cook eggs in hot water, you'd say you have hard
853:  Boiled.
Interviewer:  Hard what?
853:  Hard boiled.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Hard boiled what?
853:  Eggs.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And if you just crack them and let them fall in water, you know,
853:  They're poached.
Interviewer:  Okay. That's good, that's well.
853:  Yeah, Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  That's good.
853:  You do?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  No, the raw egg?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Just the inside.
853:  No.
Interviewer:  {NW} Yeah, I like that one.
853:  No. {NW} I couldn't eat one.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I have cousin who don't eat one.
853:  I like them scrambled, I don't want them real dry.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But I like them scrambled.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Oh, I'll eat 'em anyway #
853:  #2 I couldn't eat a # whole cooked egg, I mean fried.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I, I eat the boiled egg, but I couldn't eat the white.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Isn't that stupid?
Interviewer:  Strange. Not stupid. {NW}
853:  Strange. Not stupid but strange.
Interviewer:  But strange. {NW} Uh.
853:  I'm a finicky eater.
Interviewer:  Is that right? Well.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I used to be but I've got to where I'll eat just most anything.
853:  I, I never tasted the milk and I never tasted a fish.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  I never tasted liver.
Interviewer:  Huh. Now I like fish. Bass. That's a kind of fish too.
853:  I used to cry when we go fishing and they cooked fish because I got sick in my stomach. Smelling it, you know.
Interviewer:  Oh I can understand why you never tasted it.
853:  And Dick used to my son-in-law.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He used to wouldn't go fishing without I went.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  All of us went so and me go alone because I kept them in a hot coffee all hours and night
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And I'd fix them a big breakfast. We get two cabins and the men would, with their wet clothes stayed in one and the women and the kids in the other. And we cooked in our cabin of course.
Interviewer:  I bet that's fun.
853:  Oh, lands, we had a lots of fun.
Interviewer:  Um. What do you call the salt cured or sugar cured meat that you might boil with greens?
853:  Dry salt.
Interviewer:  Okay. Did the, the meat, is that what you call a meat?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh-huh, dry salt, it's baked, it's, it's a bacon.
Interviewer:  Is it like bacon? Is it, is it
853:  Oh, it's a fat part.
Interviewer:  Oh, I see. Huh.
853:  You cut that off and you keep that strip with lean for s- #1 baked, breakfast bacon we call it, you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh, uh. # Uh-huh, I see. Okay.
853:  And
Interviewer:  What do you call that part on edge that you have to cut off if you're gonna have bacon?
853:  Oh, that's fat.
Interviewer:  Well, on the other side. There's a, there usually edge on the lean side that you-
853:  Oh, rind.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh. {NW} What do you call the um the part of the hog between the shoulder and the ham?
853:  Back bone.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Uh. {NS} And what do you call a person who slaughters and cuts up meat?
853:  The what?
Interviewer:  Who who slaughters the meat and cuts it up? What do you call it?
853:  The butcher?
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. {NW} After you butcher a hog, what do you make with a meat from its head?
853:  Uh. Ah. Well, you know what.
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Uh. Oh, mercy alive, now that's one I like think of it. Uh.
Interviewer:  Did you all ever do that?
853:  Yeah, we used to make it, and you sliced it. You boil that head and you cut it off,
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And in nibble it, you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then there's enough this juice that you put in there and it jells, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  It's a Um. {NW} Oh, mercy. I can't even think more.
Interviewer:  You stop me. If you think of it, stop me.
853:  But it was delightful, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You slice and you can make good sandwiches.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  You couldn't carry it in school lunches.
Interviewer:  Why?
853:  Because that uh, jell stuff in there would melt to get too hot in the summer time, now in the winter you could.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  That's when you killed hogs.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Kill the hogs in the winter?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  Kill hogs in the winter? Winter time was when you killed hogs?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Oh, oh, yes.
Interviewer:  I see.
853:  Yeah. And you know we didn't use to have any ice boxes.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And you'd hang it up, or, use to that kill them, kill the hogs, and open them up first thing after they ugh, hang them up by the heels and gut them, they call it, and take all that inside out
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And my dad of course, he take buckets and buckets of water all over rags mama could find to wash out in that and it just was one of drop of blood left in it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
853:  And then they took it down on a big table and they cut the shoulders off. And the hams off. and then cut off the feet, you know. When you made you cook the feet too, you know. Used to pickle a feet.
Interviewer:  {NW} I've heard of that.
853:  Pickle. Pig feets, you know. You can buy them in markets.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Used to could, but you can't anymore, I don't guess.
Interviewer:  I've seen them, I've seen them.
853:  You do?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  #1 I imagine that's safe way in places like that you would #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah, the pickles. Well, Um. Did you ever make anything from the uh, the liv- the hog's liver?
853:  Oh, you'd, you uh that's the first thing you ate.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You wouldn't allow yourself eat anything else. And you'd gave away to the neighbors that wouldn't killing hogs right then.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Everybody had hogs to kill.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But the Smiths would come in and have the Jones' kill hogs.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And you'd distributed the liver with them.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And get rid of it because it would keep very
Interviewer:  Oh, uh-huh. #1 Did you #
853:  #2 And you eat, you eat that liver #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  That night for supper, and I cried every time.
Interviewer:  You didn't like it?
853:  I never tasted it.
Interviewer:  You didn't like the smell of it?
853:  I wouldn't ta- I couldn't look at it without crying.
Interviewer:  Did you ever, did you ever cooked the liver and grind it up to make something out of this ground duck liver?
853:  No. Never did.
Interviewer:  Did you ever make anything out of the, the hog's blood?
853:  Blood?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Huh? Um.
853:  They took the intestines #1 you know, I, we talked about it yesterday. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
853:  Stuffed it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  With the sausage.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  You know. in 'em . But now you know, my daddy and mother wouldn't have eaten it to start with. And it'd take days on end to soak them and get them cleaned enough ever. Look like you will eat out of it.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
853:  And you cut it and slice it in there and then peeled it off, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  Eh, you'd you'd cut your little strip of sausage, you know how, and then you'd stick your. knife on the then cut it and peel it off all around.
Interviewer:  You take it off, you didn't eat that part.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, I see.
853:  Throw that away.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But that was just a casing
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  To hold it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Did, what, what did you put in there to make the sausage?
853:  You put salt and red pepper and black pepper and sage.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
853:  Just like you buy. It's got all that stuff in there. Maybe not as well seasoned, and some other is. Jimmy Dean's
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  sausage is pretty good.
Interviewer:  Is it? I'll try that.
853:  Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Wha- did you ever take that juice from the head that stirred up with some corn they mix some hog meat
853:  No, but ma- make used to make dumplings.
Interviewer:  How you do that?
853:  Like chicken and dumpling?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  Just like that.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And it makes good, chicken dumplings.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Because it's rich and good see.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I see- Yeah, I
853:  And back bone and spare ribs
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Uh. You do that, make dumplings with that back bone.
Interviewer:  I bet that's good, too.
853:  That's another thing I cooked for them. They never had had any back bone with dumplings.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  The Terrols.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Huh.
853:  And I fixed them some good stuff or {NW}
Interviewer:  I bet.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  But they were surprised that his brother had to take back, #1 what he said about #
853:  #2 Right. # In the first Christmas that I married we lived right here
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  As I told you, just had those three rooms, this one here. We cooked and ate in there. And uh I had a the two single boys and a single daughter. And the mother. And her brother. ms Terrol brother Uncle Will stayed with him. And my dad and mother and three half-grown teenage kids. they were still at home.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  And uh
Interviewer:  You had a house involved.
853:  Always. Every Christmas.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Suppose you kept the butter too long and it didn't taste good anymore, what would you say
853:  It would, it, it got old.
Interviewer:  Yeah, what, how does it taste when it, what it gets old?
853:  Just, like anything that got old, it didn't, it, well it rancid they'd say.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  Rancid.
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh. When you first uh milk some cows uh, sometimes there might be little specs of dirt stuff in milk, and what would you have to do to the milk to get that stuff out?
853:  {NW} Well, I'll tell you, it wasn't one of ours.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  'Cause you have wash your hands?
853:  No, and then my mother always made the boys take a little clean rag
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And some water in that bucket and pour on then wash those tits off.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And all the bag all upon there
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I told you, we has a crazy bunch.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Sounds like that's good though. It's good.
853:  But I'll tell you, we were poor but we were plain.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Mom always a cleanest person.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I ever knew.
Interviewer:  Sounds like it, sounds like it. Did-
853:  And my daddy was worse.
Interviewer:  Oh, or better, which ever. {NW}
853:  Well, his, his mother was a fanatic I don't remember seeing grandmother ever.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But uh Oh, mercy. Mama learned everything knew from her.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Because my mother my mother's mother taught school
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  #1 I told you she went to Oxford and #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah, yeah. #
853:  She taught school and she couldn't care less if the kids come in wet or what.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  But grandmother Abbott was she had five boys.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  No girls.
Interviewer:  Oh, boy.
853:  And she was proud of them, mama then she was all of her boys put together.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah. If I had have a girl.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  {NW} Um. What What do you call that thing that's like a fruit pie that you have layers of fruit and then a layer of of a crust and And then
853:  Dough?
Interviewer:  Dough. Yeah, and then a layer fruit and dough.
853:  It's a pie, fruit pie.
Interviewer:  Okay, is there anything else you hear it called, especially for deep dish?
853:  A cobbler.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  Peach cobbler. Used to have 'em everyday.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  When the peaches were in.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Mama had a pan about this long and about this wide.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And she cooked those peaches in the stewer. And li- cut these strips of dough about this long, let them hang over. And then, but mama always browned hers.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Bad.
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  And then she'd put the peaches in then, put that brown in here and then some more peaches and then some raw dough on top and lots of homemade butter.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And put it in the oven.
Interviewer:  Boy, that sounds good.
853:  And by that time you had the sugar in there too, of course. And then you had a thick syrup and just mushed all around in that lattice work of that brown pie dough.
Interviewer:  Um. That sounds
853:  It was delightful.
Interviewer:  Um. {NW} If somebody has a real good appetite, you might say, he sure does like to put a way his
853:  Food.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And what would you call milk or cream that you mix with uh oh sugar in a little nutmeg and pour over piece of pie, what would you call that?
853:  Cream.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  It's usually taken off of the top of the milk.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  That the cream that has risen to the top.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Whe- when do you mix it with sugar and stuff, would you call anything different?
853:  No. You just say sweetened cream and
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, food taken between regular meals, you call
853:  Snack.
Interviewer:  Okay. Would that be a large amount of food or small amount?
853:  Well, it just depend on, I guess how much you'd wanna eat.
Interviewer:  Oh, okay. Uh, a large amount of food, do you still call them snack?
853:  A snack between meals, uh-huh.
Interviewer:  {NW} Okay, okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Um, if you get up in the morning and you want some coffee, but there's not any ready, you'll have to do what to q
853:  Perk it. {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh. If what do you drink when you're plain thirsty?
853:  With what?
Interviewer:  If you're just plain thirsty, what do you drink?
853:  Water.
Interviewer:  Okay. And you usually drink it out of a
853:  Dipper, glass.
Interviewer:  Okay. And
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You might say that glass fell off the fell off the counter and
853:  Broke.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You might You might say that's the third glass I have what this week?
853:  Dropped or broken.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. If I ask you how much water did you drink, you might say, oh, I what the whole lot?
853:  I drink a large quantity or
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. If dinner's on the table and the family's all standing around you know fix them sit down uh, you would say, well go head and
853:  Have a seat.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh So, they went ahead and
853:  Sat.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um.
853:  My English may not be too good {NW}
Interviewer:  I think it's fine.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If you decide not to eat something, you might say, oh, no thank you, I don't
853:  Really care for it.
Interviewer:  Okay. Ah. If you don't want someone to wait till the potatoes to passed, you might say, well here, go head and
853:  Help yourself.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. Food that has been cooked and served the second time, you'd say it has been
853:  Warmed over.
Interviewer:  Okay. And food that has been done to, you'd call
853:  A what?
Interviewer:  Food that that has been done to, you would call What?
853:  Cold.
Interviewer:  Well, no, you warmed it over and and you say, well, I don't have anything to give you, but but
853:  It's warmed over food.
Interviewer:  Okay, anything else you should call it besides warmed over food?
853:  S- I guess you might say second-hand food.
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. Uh. You put the food in you mouth and then you begin to
853:  Chew?
Interviewer:  Okay. And {NW} What all vegetables did you all use to grow in, in your garden?
853:  Vegetables?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW} Oh, yeah, grow potatoes and beans and peas and okra and tomatoes and uh cabbage and uh turnip greens and uh spinach and broccoli and onions and I did say to tomatoes, I think.
Interviewer:  Yeah, what do you call those little tomatoes that don't get any bigger than not this big?
853:  Porter.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh-huh. Or little just little tomatoes.
Interviewer:  Are Porter tomatoes round or are they long?
853:  Well now they're kinda oblong a little, about it. But they've got a little {X} tomato.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They're like a marble.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I have a neighbor who brought me some. A little girl did. And they were the best things I ever ate, but they wasn't bigger than the average little marble.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And I just washed them and ate 'em whole. {X} And but the Porter tomato is the average small tomato.
Interviewer:  Oh okay. Uh what do you call um little young skinny onions that you put on {X}?
853:  {X}
Interviewer:  Rather small and skinny. What do you call that kind of onion?
853:  Fresh onion.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh
853:  And you, when you plant those, they're called shallots.
Interviewer:  Oh, okay. Uh Is that a word that you all used to use?
853:  No it's common everyday, it's been used every everywhere.
Interviewer:  Okay uh.
853:  It has to be a set out thing, you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Instead of planting seeds, you get this little shallot onions you know, and set a out.
Interviewer:  Um.
853:  And plant 'em.
Interviewer:  Well that's
853:  And then they grow and shed that off I guess. They'll get to be little, about this big and you pull 'em up green and eat 'em. Yeah. And then first thing you know they're big ones you know, if you leave them there long enough.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What kind of potatoes did you use to have? {X}
853:  We, we had the white and the red potatoes.
Interviewer:  What are the red ones like?
853:  Well they were the first potatoes that we ever had. I can remember when the white ones came on, they had propagated {X}. You know, bread 'em up or whatever they did and white potatoes why they look plum sick.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But you know the funny part about the red ones uh they're always round.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  More or less. But you know, the white ones would be oblong to start with sometimes.
Interviewer:  Yeah, isn't that funny? Those red ones, they're white in the middle though aren't they?
853:  Right, oh yes, yes. Just that red skin on there, you scrape it off. You don't peel 'em you-
Interviewer:  I think they're sweeter, I think they're better.
853:  They're, I like 'em better.
Interviewer:  What do you the call the kind of yellowish orange meat?
853:  Sweet potatoes.
Interviewer:  Okay. Did y'all grow those?
853:  Oh yes.
Interviewer:  I love sweet potatoes.
853:  You see now they're They're uh grown on vines. You didn't? Well, you plant 'em in a row when you set out just a vine. Just a long stringy vine. And you put them, those where you get that vine you put 'em in a hot bed.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Uh, the uh hot bed and you put 'em in and add sweet potatoes.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then first thing you know you'll have a vine shoot up all over there. Well you dig that vine out of there, pull it out and break it off and there's no roots to it. And all you gotta do is come along on a stick and dig a hole and put in there. Dig another one. Stick it out in there. And it'll take root and start growing. And then. It'll lap in rows, you plant 'em this far apart.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  And first thing you know they've leapt from both rows you know.
Interviewer:  Where like watermelons are.
853:  Right, just exactly.
Interviewer:  Uh. Did you ever grow those little little hot things that they're red on the outside and white on the inside and you use them in salads?
853:  Peppers? No not like a pepper, but they're more like a little root. Sort of like an onion but they're uh red on the outside. {NW} What, what do you call those things? I don't know.
Interviewer:  #1 Besides #
853:  #2 I don't #
Interviewer:  Using them in salads you know?
853:  Mm. I don't know what you're talking about.
Interviewer:  Alright, you said beans, what all kinds of beans did y'all, did y'all raise?
853:  Oh gracious uh Used to not be very many kinds of beans, but they got all kinds now. You know, you get the string-less green pod.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Used to, every bean, you had to string 'em on each side of the bean.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Break this end and then break that end and then Uh And if you cooked them, {X} string in it. Why, you've got strings and floating It'd cook off of that. But uh the string-less green pod, and then you get the uh Kentucky Wonder. They grow up on fences My dad let me used to plant 'em round the knot fence you know. And let 'em grow up on there. Or round the the back end of the all around the garden fence. You had to fence it off because my my family never would let the garden be close enough to the house to be unsightly.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah.
853:  And we had a fence around it to keep the cattle out you know, the stock. And plant the beans up on there, Kentucky Wonder beans and every one of those round there. And they were that long.
Interviewer:  Six to eight inches?
853:  Oh yes
Interviewer:  Six inches?
853:  and then some. There's a yard bean now, did you ever see it? they're this long.
Interviewer:  {NS} No I haven't seen the
853:  You never?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  No. Uh they're
Interviewer:  That's quite a bean.
853:  That's where they get their name, now of course you know what a yard is thirty-six inches.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But they call 'em yard beans because they are long and big.
Interviewer:  Oh. Almost as big as a yard.
853:  Uh-huh and uh Huh?
Interviewer:  And a foot long or something
853:  Right, at least. And then when they get they get real big around, they're kind of flattish.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah
853:  Get real big around. And if you get 'em after they get too hard to snap. to eat and shell 'em green shell beans, they are delightful.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
853:  Real, real good.
Interviewer:  Uh What do you there was a big plant kind of bean that you don't eat the pod and
853:  Butter beans.
Interviewer:  Did y'all grow those?
853:  Oh yes. They have another one now, the little uh little teensy Baby Limas.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And they're purple when you get 'em open and shell 'em. You have to shell 'em, you don't snap 'em.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You shell 'em.
Interviewer:  What's the difference between shelling 'em and snapping 'em? Oh okay
853:  You get the, you get the bean out while it's green.
Interviewer:  When you shell it.
853:  Mm-hmm but it's mature. But not dry.
Interviewer:  What's the difference between a Lima bean and a butter bean?
853:  Well the butter beans are great big ones.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the other ones, the Lima bean is a small bean. Little bitty bean. and an old Baby Li- oh Lima bean or butter bean is a great big ol' bean It's flat.
Interviewer:  Is the color different?
853:  Yeah some of 'em are purple.
Interviewer:  Like the Lima beans?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh What did you, what did y'all use for greens?
853:  Drink?
Interviewer:  For greens.
853:  Oh well, we planted turnips in the fall.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And you put them in a a you put 'em down and you put corn stalks up you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And then pack dirt around there. And they keep all winter.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  The turnips and
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Not the greens you use the greens while they are fresh.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But the winter come on, you'd b- pull out or dig they call 'em the turnips, sometimes they would be If the ground dry, you'd have to grab it hard, kind of dig it out you know and get 'em out of there. And you put them in a mound mound 'em up and fix 'em.
Interviewer:  Okay, did you ever use anything for greens besides turnips?
853:  Spinach.
Interviewer:  Um If you wanted to uh buy some uh cabbage, you say Please go to the store and get me three what?
853:  Heads.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  And you know that uh other things that we used for greens was collards.
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  And they were a winter green.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  They wasn't too good to eat or Well we ate 'em but then they were much better and they grew way up tall and big. Big leaf stuff you know. And you'd the spine up through there you just take 'em and strip it off. Up to about that far up in the end up here and then it was tender. Little bitty vein up through there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But this other would be nearly as big as your finger you know. From the time it grew on the stalk down here on the thing. And you'd pull it off and you'd just strip it down, you had to stray and pull it. Greens and it was collards.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And you had a a little taste, kinda like cabbage.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Green cabbage.
Interviewer:  Did you cook that or did you eat it raw?
853:  You cooked it. Yeah, you'd cook it.
Interviewer:  Let's see.
853:  Put a big ol' slab of home cured meat in it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh What do you call that kind of food that uh Oh you take big kernels of corn and you you uh you leach the outside cover off you know it's big ol' kernels of corn and you eat it that was and you eat it that way and it's corn only it's soft and you have that shiny cover up. Wait I think they soaked them in salt water something like that
853:  C- corn?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Big big kernels of corn.
853:  I dunno.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh What do you call the uh the food that the Chinese and the Japanese eat all the time?
853:  Rice?
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh What do you call the kind of alcoholic beverage that people used to make out out in the backyard during
853:  Depression. {NW}
Interviewer:  Not Depression, I mean uh During Prohibition.
853:  Yeah, corn liquor.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  A bootleg.
Interviewer:  Okay, ever hear it called anything else?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Anything else? Did you ever know anybody who made the stuff?
853:  Oh yes.
Interviewer:  Was it, was it very strong stuff?
853:  I never did taste it. But I could hear And I, we John and I we'd sit that porch And the Bledsoes lived cross over there. Good fine people and one of the girls got sick and I didn't know it. I knew she was sick but the doctor told them that they oughta make her some home brew. Her daddy. Well he had in the mountains of Tennessee {X} Which was, illegal.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  When he was young. And he made her some home brew And I didn't uh I didn't know it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  We sitting out there on the porch one night and John and I talked and I grabbed his hand right quick, I said {NW} And one of the boys rolled the car And mr Bledsoe wouldn't let him, would let the boys drive the car
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Cause they'd stay out half the night.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  They'd just bought a new car. And the youngest one said well I'll tell you what I'm gonna do If you don't let me drive that car I'm gonna turn you in for making booze. {NW} Bootleg whiskey. {NW}
Interviewer:  Did he get to drive the car?
853:  No. {NW} He told him, he said you do it and I'll strap all over this yard.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Really. {NW} Did you ever have any stuff that was that was thicker than syrup and darker than cheese on pancakes?
853:  Sorghum. Sorghum syrup.
Interviewer:  Was that good?
853:  Uh-huh. Did you ever eat it?
Interviewer:  No.
853:  Well I tell you you oughta get some. Did you, do you ever cook syrup pie?
Interviewer:  No?
853:  You don't make a syrup pie? Do you know how?
Interviewer:  No. {NW}
853:  Well you know you can buy ready pie shells.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Alright. Uh you can take uh you can take Uh the Syrup, sorghum syrup makes the best syrup pie. Now I make it out of, most people do now make it out of red Karo you know. But I mix half and half, I make half a cup of white Karo and a half a cup of red Karo and I like it better But if you get that old sorghum syrup and you combine and take four eggs and beat 'em real good, and put a cup of a three fourths cup of sugar and a cup of sorghum syrup and pour it in a unbaked shell and cook it 'til it's you can take a knife and stick in there and it'll come out clean it's solid. And it'll just cut out in a Real good you know.
Interviewer:  Sounds real good, I've never heard of such thing.
853:  Uh, you might want to put uh nutmeg
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Or I like vanilla better, a lot of vanilla flavoring and then cut a, while it's raw, before you cook it, cut a whole layer of butter round or margarine, round over it, cook in about a three fifty oven 'til it's good and brown the crust and it's you know, set
Interviewer:  That sounds good.
853:  It's delightful.
Interviewer:  Mm.
853:  And then you take that I'm telling you how to get fat.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Then you take that and either I don't like it as well, this, but you can always have it with ice cream.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Vanilla ice cream Or whipped cream
Interviewer:  Mm.
853:  Or you can get that cool whip It's a good substitute
Interviewer:  Oh I love whipped cream
853:  I do too.
Interviewer:  Real weakness for it
853:  But you put that on top of that pecan pie. I mean, that syrup pie. I used to make thirty and forty a day. when our women's society I would sell fifteen, sixteen years old they had {X} in here and we had a uh met another girl ran this booth for the women's society in our church.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  And I'd make thirty pies after I close up for that night and go home and make thirty, twenty-five pies
Interviewer:  Uh Is that syrup, I mean that, ye4ah that syrup in the syrup pie, is that what's put underneath in a pecan pie?
853:  Yeah, exactly. It's made the same way Except you put pecans in it.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  That's all.
Interviewer:  Uh When sugar wasn't prepackaged, but they just weighed it out the barrel when you wanted some you know, you'd say they sold it in
853:  Pounds.
Interviewer:  Okay, and uh what about, what if it was crackers? You'd say it was sold it in
853:  Bulk
Interviewer:  Uh You might say, this isn't imitation maple syrup this is
853:  Pure maple.
Interviewer:  Okay, what's another word for pure, I mean the real thing, this is real maple syrup or this is what another word for real?
853:  Real.
Interviewer:  Any other words for it?
853:  No. Or pure maple or real maple. Maple syrup
Interviewer:  Uh What do you call that sweet kind of spread that you spread on toast?
853:  Honey.
Interviewer:  Uh Well that you make by boiling peach, peaches or
853:  Jelly.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh on the table to season food with, you probably have some
853:  Have what?
Interviewer:  On the table, to season food with, you probably have
853:  Salt, pepper.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh If there was a bowl of fruit on the table, and there were some peaches and apples in it, and somebody offers you a peach, you might say oh no thank you, give me
853:  An apple.
Interviewer:  Okay uh {NS} What do you call the inside part of a cherry, the part that you don't eat?
853:  Pit.
Interviewer:  Okay. And the inside part of the peach. What do you call that?
853:  Seed.
Interviewer:  Okay. And there are two kinds of peaches really, there's the kind that when you cut 'em they stick to the seed and then there's the kind that when you cut 'em they just kind of fall over.
853:  What, the kernel is in inside of it oh freestone.
Interviewer:  Oh uh-huh. Those are the ones that fall away?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What do you call the others that stick?
853:  They're free- The others, there's a cling peach and a freestone peach.
Interviewer:  Mm-kay. Uh What do you call the part of the apple that you don't eat?
853:  Core.
Interviewer:  Okay. And if you cut up apples, or peaches, into little pieces and let it dry out what do you call those little pieces of dried fruit?
853:  Dried peaches.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  We used to make ours.
Interviewer:  You did?
853:  #1 Put 'em up #
Interviewer:  #2 Made your #
853:  up on the ceiling. The roof.
Interviewer:  Huh And just let 'em
853:  Wonder why the birds didn't get 'em.
Interviewer:  I wonder.
853:  I, I don't know. I, I'm telling you the truth though.
Interviewer:  You just put 'em with nothing on top of them?
853:  Not a thing, cause they had the sun to dry 'em out you know. #1 Dry out that #
Interviewer:  #2 That sounds great! #
853:  Dry out that moisture.
Interviewer:  You'd think you would have had a flock of birds on your house.
853:  I, I told you nothing, my parents was awful particular.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And if they'd ever got up there and found any bird droppings on that house,
Interviewer:  Gosh.
853:  Then too bad.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But I don't know why they didn't eat 'em up. I just don't really know. And what I don't understand is why the cats and and the birds and the possums and polecats and things didn't come in the house. You didn't close the doors at night.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
853:  Of course not, not the summer. You just slept with the doors wide open, there was no screen. You slept with the windows cleared to the top with a stick under 'em. They had no weights in 'em to hold 'em up.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  You had to have a stick. And we saved all of our worn out brooms cut them off to get the broom stick to prop 'em up.
Interviewer:  Huh. I wonder why you didn't have things just roosting in the house.
853:  I don't know.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And you think the wasps would get in.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Used to have a lot more wasps than you do today.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  I've seen, I've seen wasp nests that big.
Interviewer:  Foot across.
853:  I'll tell ya I made a a show piece one time out of a big wasp nest and I took uh matches and it had a way it was growing onto the house had a knot on the bottom of it. And it made it tilt. And I put in every one of these places where there you know how they'll be, where a wasp would nest and it would come out, you know, be born, hatch. Put those matches down in there in that big thing and that was about our stove. And it was a pretty thing.
853:  door. Now I sold this land like from
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  From from up here out a ways, three hours is up
Interviewer:  But this is probably the next to oldest
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  house in the county
853:  Between here and town
Interviewer:  That's a long way
853:  All the houses that were down there when we moved down here had been torn down
Interviewer:  Huh. And this is the oldest one left just about
853:  Just about it. Ah {X}
Interviewer:  Let's see here. Um. Oh what do you call those kind of nuts that you pluck out of the ground and roast?
853:  Peanuts
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  Jimmy Carter's {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah right,um, what are the kind of nuts do they grow around here?
853:  I guess it, well, uh English walnuts. Now they'll grow some.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
853:  They won't ever have a big crop. But um. There used to be some up on, on up past here a little ways, a tree of English Walnuts.
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  And then they have what they call a wi- a wild walnuts And they're hard as rock, but they're the best things to eat you ever saw
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  have to take a hammer to break 'em.
Interviewer:  Oh I've seen those things, yes, they are good. might may never get into them But they're good. What other kind of nuts?
853:  I guess that might be all. Peanuts and walnuts and Oh I don't know that's all
Interviewer:  What's the, what's the state tree?
853:  The what?
Interviewer:  The state tree.
853:  Tree?
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  Uh hackberry.
Interviewer:  Okay, um, let's see. Oh walnut, um, when it falls to the ground you know, you've got um The outer cover that's kind of green and soft and then the inside's a hard, hard thing
853:  #1 Right #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Well uh, what do you call the outside green thing?
853:  Shell, a hull.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  The hull comes off and leaves the walnut. But it's still you have to hull it You know? To get to the kernel.
Interviewer:  Is there a difference between the shell and the hull?
853:  Yeah. The inside is the shell and the outside would be the hull.
Interviewer:  Oh oh oh I see. When you get a Hershey bar out of the candy machine or something You can get it plain or you can get one that has
853:  Peanuts in it
Interviewer:  Okay or there's, it could come with other kinds of nuts in it; what other kinds of nuts could?
853:  Uh. Those big old nuts Well uh. Butternuts.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm okay. Okay. Any other kinds of nuts that you can think of?
853:  No.
Interviewer:  What kind of nuts do they use in pralines?
853:  In what?
Interviewer:  What kind of nuts do they use in pralines?
853:  Well you can use English walnuts or pecans Usually pecans.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Because they're more {NW} Well, they're easier handled and they're easier to get. You can get them, you know you can get pecans nearly year round.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  That have them left over
Interviewer:  What do you call that kind of fruit, about this big
853:  Grapefruit
Interviewer:  Ah a little smaller
853:  Orange
Interviewer:  Okay. And say you have a bowl of those sitting in there and everyday one or two disappear and you know finally some morning you walk in and you say well my goodness the oranges are
853:  All gone
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} Let's see what else {NW} Did you ever hear anybody speak of heads of children? I've got five heads of children?
853:  Five what?
Interviewer:  Heads
853:  Five heads of children?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh anybody say that? No? If you've got seven boys and seven girls you'd say you have a whole what of kids?
853:  A whole herd of kids
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} And what do you call that green, those green things on the outside of an ear of corn? {X}
853:  From the outside of what?
Interviewer:  An ear of corn
853:  Oh shuck
Interviewer:  Okay and when you take those off you say you're gonna do what to the corn?
853:  I'm gonna shuck it.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh, what do you call that thing that comes out the top of the
853:  Tassel. {C: pronounced tussle}
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  Or tassel
Interviewer:  Which do you say?
853:  It's either one
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  So the dictionary says
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Either one, or either one is correct
Interviewer:  yeah And what do you call that stuff, that stringy stuff, in the corn ear?
853:  {X} Silk
Interviewer:  Okay, um, the kind of corn that's just tender enough to eat right off the cob is
853:  It's, it's ready to eat, it's
Interviewer:  Okay what do you call that type of corn?
853:  Tender
Interviewer:  Okay, um, what other, what other kinds of corn is there?
853:  Well there's sweet corn and then there's just field corn
Interviewer:  Yeah? What's the difference?
853:  Field corn?
Interviewer:  Between the two. What's the difference between the two?
853:  Well, uh, sweet corn is a little teensy grain
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  And that's all it's good for. Is to eat.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Human being consumption.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the other is to be dried and fed to horses and mules and even cows you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And but you, while it's good and tender, well you can cut it off of the cob or cook it on the cob and eat it And that's the regular old field corn. And I like it better.
Interviewer:  Do you really?
853:  Oh yes.
Interviewer:  How come?
853:  Well it's uh, it has a better flavor
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  And the other, is just sweet.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah. What do you call that thing that you make a Jack-o-Lantern out of?
853:  Pumpkin
Interviewer:  Okay, and what do you call that small, yellow crook neck kind of thing?
853:  Squash
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. Excuse me, is there any name for it when you let it dry?
853:  No, it'll just, it'll finally rot, it won't {NW} Now a pumpkin will get last forever, nearly you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  long time
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  If you let it mature on the vine
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  To begin with
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  But squash, uh, after a few days, it'll, it'll die. It'll begin to mater- deteriorate.
Interviewer:  Oh okay
853:  Rot
Interviewer:  Um, what all kinds of melons did y'all use to raise?
853:  Well you have cantaloupes and muskmelon and I don't know the difference except one's a lot bigger than the other The muskmelon is a big one
Interviewer:  Oh mm-hmm.
853:  And the cantaloupe, you know, they get pretty good size but they don't, the other are oblong you know? Kind of like shaped more like a watermelon.
Interviewer:  I see
853:  Only they're smaller, you know. And then they have regular, little old cantaloupes
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And they're usually round
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And, you know
Interviewer:  I love cantaloupes
853:  I do too. I don't know of anything I like better, uh, than to scramble an egg and make a good piece of buttered toast and a slice of cantaloupe for my breakfast. Bacon to go with it. I really love it
Interviewer:  Are there different kinds of watermelon?
853:  Oh yes. I don't know exactly what kind, but there's, uh, a lot of them.
Interviewer:  Um, what do you call those little things that little things, little white things shaped like an umbrella and they come up in the grass
853:  Toadstool.
Interviewer:  Can you eat those?
853:  Well certain kinds.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah
853:  I'd like to show you one that petrified in my yard
Interviewer:  It petrified in your yard?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  It petrified in your yard?
853:  Petrified I didn't do a thing to it.
Interviewer:  That's amazing.
853:  Isn't it?
Interviewer:  That is amazing.It did petrify.
853:  It turned that color, you see? That's where it was growing into the ground. Looks like an ear, doesn't it?
Interviewer:  It does Very brown ear. Well that's a strange thing I ever saw
853:  Uh huh. And and the Mexican woman that found it, uh, she was cleaning out around the bush out there She brought it to me and I kept it and she came back in a little bit and I had sawed off a limb About that big around, about that long, had a little limb sticking out here And right in between this limb was one twice that big growing.
Interviewer:  {X}
853:  Just like it
Interviewer:  This is strange.
853:  sure would like to of had it, but she said ah ms {B} I'm going to keep it.
Interviewer:  Uh huh. uh huh. Strange. Oh. What do you call those things that are like that but that you buy at the grocery store to eat?
853:  They're mushrooms.
Interviewer:  Okay, um, you might say that man has a sore throat And the inside of his throat's all swollen and he can chew that piece of meat but he couldn't
853:  Swallow it.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. What all kinds of things did people smoke?
853:  Oh I guess mostly Marijuana. {NW} #1 Tobacco #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Yeah I guess so
853:  {NW} Tobacco and
Interviewer:  Well that you put okay um, what are those things that really smell bad? They have in restaurants?
853:  Cigars.
Interviewer:  Okay and you can have a cigar or little white ones, short white things that are what? That people smoke
853:  In pipe.
Interviewer:  Okay, and cigars; in pipes and
853:  Cigarettes
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  ha! Do do you do you smoke?
Interviewer:  No I don't. I can't stand it.
853:  I'm I'm glad. I can't either
Interviewer:  Me either. If my, if my husband smoked I'd throw him out of the house
853:  He doesn't smoke either?
Interviewer:  No he doesn't
853:  Oh mine never did either. But uh I could smoke
Interviewer:  You could... Did you try it?
853:  Never, yes, never made me sick. The only way I've tried it, I didn't try it just to be doing
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  But my dad was sick a long time and I was the only one in the family And you'd wonder why and that shows you that it came natural I was the only one that could roll a cigarette. They didn't have ready-made then I could roll him a tight cigarette and light it for him and he'd smoke it.
Interviewer:  Huh. Bet he liked that.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  My granddaddy used to sneak off cutting farms and smoke blackberry, grandma never did know he was doing it Or at least she, she acted like she didn't know, you know.
853:  But I won't tell you, they're scared to death I's gonna get to where I'd It's I'd smoke
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  {NW} I wasn't but ten or eleven years old, twelve and thirteen {X}
Interviewer:  Funny. Well it's a wonder you didn't get hooked on 'em
853:  It's a wonder I did get to where I could, would smoke. I, it never did make me sick.
Interviewer:  Oh, well that that's something. It's just a good thing you never need to do it again. {X} And if somebody offers to do you a favor, you might say, "Well I appreciate it, but I don't wanna be,"
853:  Obligated {NW}
Interviewer:  Really. Uh.
853:  But you know that's not good.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I, I know you should let people do things for you
853:  I've always been too independent. I'd say "No, now you do sit down, I'll do it"
Interviewer:  Uh You might say, there was a terrible accident up the road, but there was no need to call a doctor because the victim was already
853:  Dead
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. {NW} Speaking of the fact that the corn seems kind of short, you might say At this time of year it isn't, well you might say, it isn't as tall as it
853:  Should be.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  It's kind of stunned it
Interviewer:  Okay. I might say to you, I dare you to go through that graveyard at night but I'll bet you What? I dare you to go see that graveyard at night but I bet you'll
853:  Run. {NW}
Interviewer:  You might say to a child, "you aren't doing what you"
853:  Should do
Interviewer:  If a boy got a whipping you might say, "Oh I'll be he did something he"
853:  Knows better
Interviewer:  Okay, and uh... What do you call the kind of bird that can see in the dark?
853:  What can
Interviewer:  That can see in the dark. When they
853:  Owl
Interviewer:  Okay. What kind are there different kinds of owls?
853:  Hoot owl {NW} Yeah I think there is. There's, uh, different type of owls, but I don't know exactly what the names are
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  I I read about them and I've seen them in pictures. But I really don't know.
Interviewer:  What do you call the kind of bird that drills holes in trees? What do you call the kind of bird that drills holes in trees?
853:  I don't know
Interviewer:  What do you call that kind of black and white animal that has a real powerful smell?
853:  Polecat {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh. What do you call those little bushy tailed animals that run up and down in the trees?
853:  Squirrel
Interviewer:  And are there different kinds of squirrels?
853:  Yeah there's, uh, in different localities, uh, out in Arizona, they have the little bitty ones
Interviewer:  What do they look like?
853:  And they look just like the others, only tiny They're real pretty and they're not afraid of nobody.
Interviewer:  Really
853:  They come up and eat out of your hand, and then they have a bigger squirrel I don't know what, I don't know what you'd say on it, it's, they're different species
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  I guess.
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen a kinda, well he looks sort of like a squirrel but I think he's smaller and he has black and white stripes down his back, like three little black and white stripes.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  What do you call those?
853:  I think they're the ground squirrel.
Interviewer:  Uh huh, okay. Uh. What all kinds of fish can you catch around here? Course I know you can't have tasted any, but
853:  {NW} There's cat and there's, uh, uh, Perch and there's, uh, Bass And well I don't know, there's several kinds
Interviewer:  Um. What kind of seafood can you get around here?
853:  That's, you mean at restaurants?
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Uh-huh. I I you can get oysters and fish and, uh, most any kind that you can get anywhere else
Interviewer:  What do you call those things that you, that are kind of pinkish-white and they're curled in the little circle like that and you have them on, um, lettuce
853:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # nice, a little cocktail sauce.
853:  Yeah I know what you're talking about, but I don't
Interviewer:  #1 You'll think of it, uh #
853:  #2 can't say it # Shrimp
Interviewer:  Okay. If you wanted to buy some of that you might go to the store and say, "I'd like three pounds of"
853:  Shrimp.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. What do you call those things that sit around the pond at night and make a bunch of noise?
853:  Frogs. {NW}
Interviewer:  Are there different kinds of frogs?
853:  Yeah there's a bullfrog, and then there's a toad frog and horned toad
Interviewer:  What's the difference in all those things?
853:  Well a bullfrog's a great big one and you eat him.
Interviewer:  Oh you do?
853:  Didn't you never eat a bullfrog leg? I never either. But you, oh, they're just like chicken.
Interviewer:  I have heard that {X}
853:  Bullfrog you eat. And a toad, he just hops around and catches flies.
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  And a horned toad is, uh, he's got horns up here and he's a little bitty old shrimp with a tail about that long
Interviewer:  About an inch long?
853:  Did you ever see one?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah we had, we had those up in my hometown {X}
853:  Right in Wichita Falls
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And I'll tell you what you can do. And it will amaze you to death and it's cruel, I would never try it. But I have done it. Uh.
Interviewer:  Pull their tails off.
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Pull their tails off?
853:  No
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Light a cigarette and put it in their mouth and they'll smoke themselves to death.
Interviewer:  {NW} That's terrible! {NW}
853:  Just puff it, and they'll get up on their hind feet you know? And they'll just wiggle And they'll dance a jig.
Interviewer:  That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. That's terrible, but I sure would like to see it
853:  And one got under our house one time and my daddy made me flatten on my stomach and go under and get him He'd set the house on fire he said. I got, he got away from me. {NW}
Interviewer:  He must've got, he must've got away though, because he didn't set your house on fire did he? You ever, you ever turn them over and stroke their tummy and watch them go to sleep?
853:  Yeah {NW} I've done everything that, cause I didn't have any girls to play with and I played with my brothers Especially one that was just thirteen months older than me.
Interviewer:  Oh wow, yeah.
853:  And we and we looked like twins. Everybody thought we were.
Interviewer:  Huh. {NW} What do you, what do you put on your hook when you go fishing?
853:  Uh, worms
Interviewer:  What kind of worms?
853:  Oh, uh, worms that grows in the ground, lives in the ground
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Earthworms. And uh, you know, you can buy minnows, little minnows, and put on there For fish bait. {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call that hard shell thing that pulls
853:  Turtle {NW} I've got one that stayed in my, out in my car port
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  And I'll go out there, and you know, he won't really take his own head in And he'll turn to one side and look at me And I say, you know one of these days you're gonna get in my way and I'm gonna run over you when I come in here And then you'll be a goner
Interviewer:  That's right.
853:  Won't be my fault. And he'll look at me and first thing, you know, he'll turn his head {X} {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
853:  #2 I'll bet he knows what I'm talking about. #
Interviewer:  He might, he might. What do you call that thing that's like a turtle, but they just live on dry land, they don't ever go in the water
853:  Terrapin
Interviewer:  Uh. What do you call those little things that you can find in the creek? Or in a, well wherever there's water and they they've got little pinchers on the end like, like a lobster, look like a
853:  {X}
Interviewer:  little lobster
853:  Uh. Not a terrapin, but the uh. I know what
Interviewer:  Kind of an ugly white color. We used to get a piece of bacon, you know and and put it on the street
853:  Sure and catch them.
Interviewer:  And catch those. They pinch though
853:  Crawdads.
Interviewer:  That's what we always called them too.
853:  Isn't that funny? You forget
Interviewer:  Well if you just haven't seen a crawdad in the last couple of days it's not something you spend a lot of time thinking about
853:  No telling when I've heard that word either.
Interviewer:  Uh. What do you call that thing that flies around a candle at night? And uh It'll eat uh holes in your wool clothes if you're not careful
853:  A moth
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh if you had if if you had one that's a moth and if you have two you say "oh look at those two"
853:  Moths. {NW} Plural
Interviewer:  Yeah. Those things that fly around at night and flash their lights off and on, what do you call those?
853:  Lightning bugs
Interviewer:  And, what do you call those long, thin-bodied things, and they have two sets of wings and they hover over water
853:  Uh.
Interviewer:  Thinking they're about that long, but their wings
853:  You're not talking about the grasshoppers of course, no.
Interviewer:  No these aren't grasshoppers
853:  I know what they are
Interviewer:  Big wings {X}
853:  it looked like a katydid or something
Interviewer:  Well not fat like a katydid they're um skinny, long skinny. Eat, eat other insects I think And they, they uh
853:  I don't know what you're talking about
Interviewer:  Some are blue, I've seen blue ones, the blue ones are the prettiest ones Well if you think it you stop me
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh What all kinds of flying, stinging insects are there besides wasps?
853:  Well there's yellow jackets
Interviewer:  Yep
853:  Wasps, and then there's, uh, uh, dirt daubers And they don't sting, but they'll bite They don't hurt. I mean you think you're stung
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  But they'll, they'll bite.
Interviewer:  Huh. I wonder if that's what I sat on one time.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I said to my friend, "Will that bite?" and she said no, so I sat on it. And it bit.
853:  Oh Mercy
Interviewer:  It was bad news Um, what do you call those things that fly around at night and they bite and {X}
853:  Red bugs.
Interviewer:  Okay, now do these fly around or do they live in the grass or what?
853:  No no no, they don't fly around.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  They're just little insects.
Interviewer:  What do you, what do you call those things that make a bite like red bug bites?
853:  Mosquitos
Interviewer:  Okay, uh What do you call those things that they'll gather up in the corners of the, of the houses
853:  Cobwebs
Interviewer:  Okay, what do you call them if they're outside? Do you call them anything different?
853:  They're still cobwebs
Interviewer:  Uh, if you have to pull up a tree stump, you have to dig around it and and cut the The whats?
853:  roots
Interviewer:  Okay, uh. When you're talking about Maple trees, you know, that that they get the the syrup from? What would you call a big bunch of those trees?
853:  Moat.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh
853:  Is that what it says?
Interviewer:  {X}
853:  Yeah, any clump of trees would be called a moat
Interviewer:  Okay. What kind of trees are there around here? What, what are some common trees that grow around here?
853:  Say what?
Interviewer:  What are some common trees that grow around here?
853:  Hackberry.
Interviewer:  Uh huh. Anything else?
853:  Well and uh and uh, uh the elm {NS}
Interviewer:  What else?
853:  Pecan
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Nearly anywhere one will grow there the
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Either one of the three.
Interviewer:  What do you call that kind of tree that has kind of scaly bark and it's always coming off And they have these little balls
853:  Yeah uh
Interviewer:  {X} Make a big mess in your yard.
853:  Uh Got, has broad leaves.
Interviewer:  Yeah kinda like that
853:  I've got one
Interviewer:  Cottonwood leaves
853:  Yeah cottonwood, you know. But it's a Sycamore.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  I had one up, beautiful, right out there by the drive, and it died this year never did come out Great big. That big around
Interviewer:  Well maybe it just got too old, I don't know how long they live.
853:  I don't, I don't know. I don't know what made it die.
Interviewer:  You know uh, we have one in our front yard and a bunch of bugs attacked it And it it all turned yellow, well reddish-brown and just ruined looked awful We finally sprayed it and it has a few green leaves left.
853:  But now next year it'll be dead.
Interviewer:  Really? Think it will?
853:  That's the way mine was last year And this year it didn't come out at all.
Interviewer:  I didn't know if it would come out or not.
853:  I doubt it.
Interviewer:  Well, there's too many, when they planted these trees they didn't think, they didn't ever think about them growing up
853:  Uh huh
Interviewer:  And there's too many trees in the front yard anyways so
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  But still I hate the thought of having had it cut down
853:  Is it where you live or your home place?
Interviewer:  It it's where I live now.
853:  Uh huh mm-hmm. How long have you been there?
Interviewer:  Eight years
853:  My goodness
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  All your life nearly.
Interviewer:  Yeah. As long as I can remember. {NW} Eight years July the fifth Last July
853:  Mm-hmm that's good.
Interviewer:  Uh, what was that kind of tree that George Washington cut down?
853:  Cherry tree
Interviewer:  Okay and uh
853:  I can't tell a lie
Interviewer:  That's right What do you call those kind of bushes that uh they grow out along a fenced road you know and they uh, they have these brown berries on them, grow in a big thing like this and um People I think use to take those berries and make tea, steep them and make tea out of them What kind of bushes? The the the leaves turn bright red in the fall. Real pretty, bright red
853:  {NW} I don't know
Interviewer:  Um, what kind of vines and bushes will make your your your legs break out if you
853:  Bull nettles and stinging nettles
Interviewer:  Okay, and what's the difference between bull nettles and stinging nettles?
853:  Well, there's a stinging nettle and it, it doesn't have any uh Balls on it, you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  But the bull nettle has a, you can get the seeds off there and eat them, they're good. Good eating
Interviewer:  How can you get to them?
853:  Good as any kind of, well you take them off, you get a we used to get two sticks and pull them off and put them in the ground and take your foot or a A stick and rub them until all of those stickers was off of them
Interviewer:  Uh-huh uh-huh
853:  And then you open them up, you know and there, that's seeds inside.
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  They're really good.
Interviewer:  Well then I'll have to try it, I've seen those all my life, I didn't know you could eat any part of it.
853:  #1 Oh yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 I just stay away from them #
853:  They're real good. They're as good as peanuts or anything else.
Interviewer:  Huh. What do you call, uh, it's a kind of vine that'll make your legs break out if you brush up against it It's the kind that grows up a tree
853:  Yeah, a poison ivy
Interviewer:  Okay, y'all have any of that out here?
853:  We did have, and we cut it all down and kept cutting it down till we got rid of it
Interviewer:  Yeah. What is it that smells good out here in in on your driveway? I smelled it this morning and I smelled it again this afternoon, it's some bush or tree out there It smells kind of spicy
853:  I don't know. Oh it is a spice tree
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Which one is it?
853:  It's, uh, right here beside the house and that, I got them all around, everywhere.
Interviewer:  Oh. Well that's what smells so good
853:  And, uh, see that big tree right there at the window?
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Uh, and, you know when, used to I don't anymore But then I sold cakes when we had the farm market Well I'd get those leaves and I'd wash them And, uh, I'd put them in the, after I'd greased my loaf pan I'd put them in around in the bottom of that pan and pour my batter in there and they'd taste like spices. Spices. It's called spice bushes. But it's a Vitek is, uh, you know botanical name
Interviewer:  Vitek
853:  Vitek.
Interviewer:  I'm gonna write that down because I'm gonna see if I can find me one to put in my backyard. I really like the way that smells V-I-T-E-C?
853:  V-I-T-E-C, uh-huh. Or V-I-T-E-K, vitek
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Uh, Out of everybody in the community, I I went down to way down to Robinson, about ten or twelve miles out from town.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And dug up Some little sprouts and I planted two
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And I've got them in every direction and I have a white one out there Now these have, they bloom all summer.
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  Just beautiful purple blooms
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Long blooms.
Interviewer:  I'll have to take a good look at that when I go out there because it
853:  And then I have one out there I'm not sure that it didn't die. I've got it up out there
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Uh, it's white. But you can get a white and a purple and a red
Interviewer:  Is it
853:  They're just beautiful and they grow fast.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. It's not anything like a Wisteria is it?
853:  It's what?
Interviewer:  It's not anything like a Wisteria is it?
853:  No no no no no.
Interviewer:  Well I'll have to look at that
853:  It just it just makes a great big tree
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. They smell good. Uh. {NS}
853:  But I've given limbs and they just stick the limb down and it grew
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Anything that, any shrub that blooms or tree that blooms will root. It'll take root.
Interviewer:  Oh I see, I didn't know that #1 You just cut off #
853:  #2 I learned that at A&M # They're from the highway, uh, landscape artist.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah
853:  He told us, well and he lectured, you know those of us that were interested in landscaping
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
853:  And he told us anything in the world that bloomed, it mattered not how big it was A limb would root.
Interviewer:  Well I'm glad to hear that. I sure do hope.
853:  That's what he said
Interviewer:  Uh. {NW} What do you call those kind of berries, some of them are red and but they look like a diddleberry Kind of lumpy, you know, but some of them are red and some of them are black
853:  Strawberry?
Interviewer:  Um, well it, You know how a blueberry, I mean a
853:  {D: No, but}
Interviewer:  A blueberry looks kind of lumpy
853:  Right
Interviewer:  You know?
853:  But a strawberry is, is red.
Interviewer:  Yeah, well there's a lumpier kind though. That's it looks more like blueberry but it's red. {NW}
853:  Well there's a blackberry and a dewberry
Interviewer:  Yeah, uh-huh.
853:  And then I don't know, that's about all that I.
Interviewer:  Okay. What, um, have you ever heard of a of a bush that, a tall bush that has clusters of pink and white flowers that bloom in the spring? I don't know anymore about it than that uh. I think it has longer stem segments when it grows up in the mountains but
853:  I guess it's, uh,
Interviewer:  That's about all I know
853:  Yeah I know. Over in East Texas they have them. All along the highways
Interviewer:  Um, what do you call a large, flowering tree that has those big white blossoms; they They smell real good and the thing sheds leaves all year.
853:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # mess in your yard
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Brownish leaves you know? But it's real pretty.
853:  Well I {X} said I had one and it died, small and then, and my sister's got to have two in her yard, uh Hmm Isn't that something?
Interviewer:  Well I'll tell you what {X}
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Law schools, a good thing to be in these days
853:  Right
Interviewer:  I I heard on the news this morning that uh Hear they're gonna allow lawyers to advertise now.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  And, uh,
853:  #1 Doctors #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Yeah, doctors. I heard on the news that law fees had gone down a whole lot already
853:  #1 Since that. Uh-huh. I did too. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # And I think that's great, Lord, it's high time.
853:  Right. {NW}
Interviewer:  Now, let's see here
853:  I'm not gonna say a word except what I'm supposed to {NW}
Interviewer:  Don't you dare.
853:  So that you can get through
Interviewer:  Uh, we might be able to get through this time. You knew your grandparents didn't you? Didn't you know them?
853:  I knew my Grandfather on my father's side and I knew my Grandmother on my mother's side
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What did you call them?
853:  Grandpa and Grandma.
Interviewer:  What do your grand, your grandchildren call you?
853:  Mammy. {NW} uh, my granddaughter, I just have one. We never knew why, we said grandmother to her. But she called me mammy. And then her son, my great grandson calls me mammy.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And when she started school, first day, why she says "now, I don't want you to call yourself mammy to me in front of the kids at school. They'd make fun of me and I'll call you ma'am
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And she does today, she calls me every week, "ma'am, what are you doing?"
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {X}
Interviewer:  She thought that was a bit more dignified than
853:  Yes {NS}
Interviewer:  Um, what do you call that thing on wheels that you can put a baby in and the baby can lie down
853:  A stroller
Interviewer:  Okay and you say, you put the baby in that thing and you say you're gonna take the baby out for a
853:  Walk
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Or a stroll sometimes you, you know?
Interviewer:  Okay Uh. If a woman's about to have a baby, you say she is
853:  In labor
Interviewer:  Okay, or, say she's not gonna have it for another month, you'd say she's
853:  Pregnant
Interviewer:  Okay any other words for it that you could refer it to
853:  In family way
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} Anything else?
853:  No, I guess not.
Interviewer:  Uh, if you don't have a doctor to deliver the baby, the woman, you might say
853:  Midwife.
Interviewer:  Okay {NS} If a boy has the same color hair, the same color eyes, the same kind of nose as his father You say he what?
853:  He got his from his daddy.
Interviewer:  Okay okay. And say he acts like his daddy. He's got the same kind of mannerisms {X} He has the same what?
853:  His disposition. He has his daddy's disposition.
Interviewer:  Okay. And You might say that woman had a hard life her husband died and she what? Six children all by herself
853:  Raised them
Interviewer:  Okay. And um To a child who is misbehaved you'd say, "If you do that again I'm gonna give you a good..?"
853:  Spanking
Interviewer:  Okay and if they're two little boys and one of those little boys says to the other one "If you do that again I'm gonna give you a good..."
853:  Beating
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, what if they were big boys? Would they say the same thing?
853:  Yeah. Maybe, "I'll knock your head off" {NW}
Interviewer:  If a boy is five inches taller this year you would say he what? A lot?
853:  If he's what?
Interviewer:  Five inches taller this year.
853:  He's a lot taller
Interviewer:  Okay you'd say he what a lot last year?
853:  Grew a lot
Interviewer:  Okay And children, people come up to children and they say, "my how you've..."
853:  Have grown
Interviewer:  I used to hate it when people would say it to me.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  What do you say? If you're a child and someone says that to you what do you say? Because they they stand there and look at you waiting for you to reply But there's nothing to say
853:  No, not a, not a thing
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. You can't say, "well what'd you expect me to do?" that'd be rude.
853:  You probably would say, "Yeah I know it"
Interviewer:  Yeah. Big deal. {NW}
853:  Yeah {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh. A child born to an unmarried woman would be a..?
853:  To a what?
Interviewer:  To an unmarried woman.
853:  Oh, illegitimate.
Interviewer:  Okay, anything else you've heard them called?
853:  It's what?
Interviewer:  Anything else you have heard them called?
853:  No it's just born out of wedlock
Interviewer:  Okay, uh. You might say, "Jane is a loving child, but Peggy is even..."
853:  Better.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, uh, your brother's son would be your...?
853:  Nephew
Interviewer:  Okay. And a child who's lost both parents is a...?
853:  Orphan
Interviewer:  Okay. If it's been in an institution would you call it anything different?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  If, would it be anything different if it's been in an institution?
853:  No. It'd still be an orphan.
Interviewer:  Uh, a person appointed to look after an orphan would be it's legal..?
853:  Guardian.
Interviewer:  Okay and If somebody asks you about somebody else's name is Terrel, you might say, yeah she has the same name And we really, we look a little bit alike but we're really no
853:  Relation.
Interviewer:  Okay. Someone who comes into town and nobody's ever seen them before you'd say he's a...
853:  Total stranger. {NW}
Interviewer:  If he comes from out of the country, what would you call him?
853:  He's a foreigner
Interviewer:  Okay, um. {B} Uh Name some girls names that start with an "M"
853:  "M"? Mary, Martha, Miriam.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Maggie
Interviewer:  Uh, a man's name that starts with an "M"? Uh, Matt would be short for...? What? That would be...
853:  Matthew
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh A girl's name that starts with an "N", it's a nickname for Helen I think
853:  Is that right?
Interviewer:  A girl's name that starts with an "N". What's a girl's name that starts with "N"?
853:  Nelly
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. A nickname for William would be...
853:  Uh? For what?
Interviewer:  William
853:  Bill.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or if it was a little boy, well you wouldn't call him Bill, you'd call him...
853:  Billy, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh. A woman who conducts school would be a...?
853:  Teacher
Interviewer:  Okay, any old-fashioned terms you ever heard? For a teacher?
853:  No. Schoolmarm
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Uh. There's a family name, uh Old boy wrote the books, uh, the books called "The Leatherstocking Tales" and his name was James Fenimore Do you know his last name?
853:  Sure No, I can't think.
Interviewer:  Oh, well if you think of it, stop me.
853:  James Fenimore {NW}
Interviewer:  Um. What would you call a preacher who's not really trained and he doesn't have his own pulpit and He just preaches part-time and he's probably not very good at it
853:  Student preacher.
Interviewer:  Oh, well, he doesn't, he makes his living doing something else. You know, and he's a carpenter or something, he preaches on the side.
853:  I guess he'd be a supply
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  preacher.
Interviewer:  A what?
853:  A supply preacher.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. My mother's sister would be...
853:  Your aunt.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NS} And, um, another girl's name, starts with an "S".
853:  "S"?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Sarah
Interviewer:  Okay. Got it! First one off the bat. Uh, if you had, If your father had a brother by the name of "William", you'd probably call him...?
853:  Uncle Bill
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, if you had a, a brother by the name of John you'd probably call him...?
853:  Jack
Interviewer:  Okay, but he he's your father's brother now, so you'd probably call him...?
853:  Uncle. Uncle Jack.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, uh. {NW} If you had ever known, um, Robert E Lee, if you'd ever know him, you probably wouldn't have said, "Hello mr Lee" You'd probably say, you'd address him by his military title which
853:  General
Interviewer:  General what?
853:  Lee
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. The old man who introduced Kentucky fried chicken is who?
853:  Is what?
Interviewer:  The old guy who introduced Kentucky fried chicken
853:  Sanders
Interviewer:  What's his name?
853:  Colonel Sanders
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} Uh, what do they call a man in charge of a ship?
853:  Captain
Interviewer:  Okay. Ever hear that title in other situations?
853:  Yes
Interviewer:  Like what?
853:  Well he's could be captain of of the ball team or... You know, could be captain of the football group
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. The person who presides over the county court. How would you address that person?
853:  Judge.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, a boy or girl in grade school would be a...? What would you call them?
853:  A student
Interviewer:  Okay. And if they were in High school would you, what would you call them?
853:  Still be student.
Interviewer:  Alright what about if they were in college?
853:  Student.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, a person in an office who handles the boss' mail and schedules the boss' appointments Answers the phone, would be the boss's
853:  Secretary
Interviewer:  Okay. Um, a man on a stage would be an actor and woman would be an...?
853:  Actress.
Interviewer:  And, uh, if you were born in the United Sates you're called an..?
853:  American citizen
Interviewer:  Okay, um, what would you call the name of our race?
853:  Caucasian
Interviewer:  Okay. Anything else?
853:  I guess you'd be white race
Interviewer:  Okay, okay, what are some people who aren't white?
853:  That what?
Interviewer:  What are some people who aren't white?
853:  Well I guess you'd say they're Mexican or they're Filipino or Japanese
Interviewer:  Okay, what else? People that used to be slaves in this country?
853:  Spanish and negroes.
Interviewer:  Okay okay. Uh What's the most polite, uh word, what's the most polite term for a negro?
853:  Colored. But today it's black.
Interviewer:  Oh okay okay, uh, what are some derogatory names for white people? Like white people that aren't very well off
853:  Poor trash
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 White white trash #
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. What are some derogatory names for negroes?
853:  Nigger.
Interviewer:  Okay. Anything else?
853:  No I guess you're black then.
Interviewer:  Okay okay. Uh. What would you call somebody that lives out in the way out in the country
853:  In the sticks.
Interviewer:  Yeah out in the sticks. And he never comes into town and when he comes into town he looks real and people look at him and And he acts funny and they say hey look at that old...?
853:  Country hick
Interviewer:  Okay, anything else you'd call him besides a hick?
853:  No I guess not, I think that'd be the first thing to come to mind.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Um. If somebody's waiting for you and you're fixing to go someplace and they say "hey come on hurry up" You'll say..? "I'll be with you in.."? A minute Okay. Uh. If you know you're on the right road, going somewhere, but you aren't sure of the distance, you'd stop somebody and say how...?
853:  How much farther is it?
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. This, this part of your head would be your...?
853:  Forehead. {NS} Um.
Interviewer:  You go to the beauty shop to have your...?
853:  Hair cut.
Interviewer:  Okay. And a man shaves and shaves off his...?
853:  Beard.
Interviewer:  Okay. And where would an old-timey store keeper keep his pencil?
853:  In a pencil box.
Interviewer:  Well, if he wants one that's handy he might put it...?
853:  Behind his ear.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Which ear? Which ear?
853:  Usually his right ear.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Because he's right-handed, if he's right handed, and most people are.
Interviewer:  Yeah, what if he was left-handed?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  What if he was left-handed?
853:  Well he'd keep it on the other side I'd think.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. {NW}
853:  It's just easier, you know, to reach up.
Interviewer:  {NS} If somebody's mumbling you might say, "Take that chewing gum out of your..."
853:  Mouth
Interviewer:  Okay and you might you wear a tie, or a man wears a tie around his..?
853:  Neck.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say he got a chicken bone stuck in his...?
853:  Throat
Interviewer:  Okay. And this part of your throat would be your...? That part right there. What is that?
853:  Well I guess that's your I don't know.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  I guess that's your uvula. You no you that's not the uvula. Uvula is that little deal up in the top of the throat
Interviewer:  Where are those planes coming from? I've never heard them before.
853:  What?
Interviewer:  Where are those planes coming from? I've never heard them before.
853:  Trains?
Interviewer:  Planes.
853:  Oh they come over here, they train them over there, you know?
Interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  Oh they, no. They don't train them to fly, they they train them to work on the airplanes.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  A T-S-T-I.
Interviewer:  Texas State
853:  Texas State Technical Institution.
Interviewer:  I didn't realize.
853:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  It's where the old air base used to be.
Interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  Now the one out there where you fly in an out, catch a plane.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  That used to be, during World War One, that's where the planes would land.
Interviewer:  I see I see. Uh. You go to the dentist and have them look at your...?
853:  Teeth.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say, "well I'm gonna need to fill that..."
853:  Cavity.
Interviewer:  Okay, or um, that cavity is in a what?
853:  Bad shape.
Interviewer:  Uh. The cavity, I I you have a cavity in your, your front
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Your front what?
853:  Teeth.
Interviewer:  Uh, if you just had one, you'd have it in your front...?
853:  Front tooth.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, he might say "well you're taking pretty good care of your teeth, but you'd better pay attention to your..."?
853:  Gums
Interviewer:  Okay. And you can hold that baby bird in the what of your hand?
853:  Palm
Interviewer:  Okay. And, that man got mad and he doubled up both...?
853:  Fists.
Interviewer:  Okay, and he shook his...?
853:  Fist.
Interviewer:  #1 (NS} #
853:  #2 Okay. #
Interviewer:  Uh. A lot of times when people get older they complain about getting stiff in their...?
853:  Knees and, uh, joints.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, the upper part of a man's body would be his...?
853:  Chest.
Interviewer:  Okay. And you might say "That man sure has broad..."?
853:  Shoulders.
Interviewer:  Okay. And they measure the hight of a horse in...?
853:  Hands.
Interviewer:  Alright, and you have a right and a left...? What?
853:  Hand.
Interviewer:  Okay, and You might say "the pain ran from his heel all the way up his whole..."?
853:  Body.
Interviewer:  Um, just his
853:  Leg.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And into your leg is your...?
853:  Toe.
Interviewer:  On what?
853:  Foot.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NS} And you have two..?
853:  Feet.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. You might say "I stumbled over a box in the dark and bruised my..."?
853:  Shin.
Interviewer:  Okay. And if you wanna look at something outside and the ground's too cold or too muddy, to sit on You might just kinda get down like that
853:  Peep at.
Interviewer:  Uh, so you you get down like this to look at something down there. {X} What would you say you do?
853:  All fours or just crouch down.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, somebody's been sick for a while but now he's up and around but you might say, "well he still looks a little.."?
853:  Peaked.
Interviewer:  Um. A person who is really big and muscular and athletic can can lift heavy weights you say he sure is...?
853:  Robust.
Interviewer:  Okay. Any other words you might use for him? He's not weak, he's...?
853:  Nice, strong, healthy looking.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, somebody who always has a smile on his face and never looses his temper you'd say he sure is..?
853:  Good natured.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, um, somebody like a teenager who's all arms and legs Can't walk through the house without knocking things down. You'd
853:  Gawky
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Anything else? Any other
853:  Clumsy.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. Um a person who keeps on doing things that just don't make any sense, you'd say well he's just a plain..?
853:  Pest.
Interviewer:  Okay. And he, he just doesn't make any sense, anything he does. You, what else would you say about him?
853:  Haphazard.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, a person who has plenty money and who hangs on to it would be a..?
853:  Miser.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  And I don't like them.
Interviewer:  Really? Uh {NS} You might say "mr Brown'll pay you good money but you have to earn it He's a regular..?"
853:  Stickler for hard work. {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay. uh, if you said or if you heard somebody say "That girl is very common". What would it mean?
853:  Ordinary.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. If there's a ninety-six year old man {NW} And he's still real strong and he doesn't show his age. And he gets around real well, you'd say "well he is still quite"
853:  Alert.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Active.
Interviewer:  Okay. If it's a if it's a young person, like a three year old or something Always on the go, getting into everything, you'd say he sure is...?
853:  Meddlesome.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. If your daughter was out later than usual and she was on a date or something You might say "well I don't suppose there's anything wrong but I can't help feeling a little..?"
853:  Uneasy.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, you might say "I don't wanna go upstairs in the dark I'm.."?
853:  Afraid.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, a person who gets afraid easily is kind of a..?
853:  Coward.
Interviewer:  Okay. And a place, like a dark place beside a graveyard would be a what kind of place?
853:  Spooky.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NS} You might say "The kids around here aren't really reckless drivers but they forget to signal, they forget to Always don't pay much attention, you know? And so you say they're kind of..."?
853:  Irresponsible.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um, you might say to your daughter "Now you just make too many mistakes on this arithmetic test, you just must not have been concentrating, don't be so what? You're just kinda fooling around, you know? Don't be so...?
853:  Unconcerned.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, you might say "well there's nothing really wrong with Aunt Lizzy, but sometimes she just acts kinda.."?
853:  Off.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Any other words you might use? {NW}
853:  Well, a little balmy.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Uh, a person who makes up his mind and there isn't anything that can make him change it you'd say he sure is..?
853:  Obstinate or hard headed. {NS}
Interviewer:  Well let's see. Oh Somebody that you can't joke with without him losing his temper you'd say he sure is..? Can't even tease him or you know he
853:  He's too sensitive.
Interviewer:  Okay okay. And you might say " I was just kidding him, I didn't know he'd get .."?
853:  Mad.
Interviewer:  Okay and if there was a building burning and there was a bunch of people in it and they were starting to panic, somebody might stand up and say "okay everybody keep.."?
853:  Calm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. If you'd been working real hard, you'd say you're very..?
853:  Industrious.
Interviewer:  Well, after you get through working, you're you might've been industrious first and then you're..?
853:  You're tired.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Exhausted.
Interviewer:  Okay. And you're real real real real real tired. You'd say you're all..?
853:  Pooped. {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay okay. Any other, uh any other word for it?
853:  Uh Kinda, worked to death.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Something.
Interviewer:  Um Uh, if you have clothes that have holes in the knees and you know they're starting to fall apart, you'd say "well I'm gonna have to throw these away they're all.."?
853:  Raggedy
Interviewer:  Okay, another word for them? They're all..?
853:  Worn out.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh Somebody got uh, overheated, and chilled and his eyes and his nose started to run and Started sneezing and you'd say he, what did he get?
853:  Taken a bad cold.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, next his voice, you'd say "he's a little bit.."?
853:  Hoarse.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NS} And if he did {X} {NW}
853:  Cough
Interviewer:  A what?
853:  Cough.
Interviewer:  Okay, and you might say "I think I'll go ahead and take a nap, I'm feeling a little bit.."?
853:  Sleep {NW} Sleepy.
Interviewer:  I feel it now too. {NW} And you might say at six o'clock in the morning when the alarm goes off "I.."?
853:  I'm just, still sleepy.
Interviewer:  Okay. But when the alarm goes off, I... What do I do?
853:  I get up.
Interviewer:  Well before you get up you have to..?
853:  Bob up
Interviewer:  Uh, okay. Uh, you're asleep and then the alarm goes off and you, you open your eyes and you say you
853:  "Oh mercy, have to get up"
Interviewer:  Okay. You might say "he's still sleeping. You better go.." "He's still sleeping, you better go in there and.."?
853:  Wake him up.
Interviewer:  Okay and um, a person who can't hear anything is stone..?
853:  Deaf.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, if somebody went out to work in the hot sun and he started to sweat And by the time he finished he had really, what a lot?
853:  Perspired.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or if you were gonna use the word sweaty.
853:  Sweat.
Interviewer:  He had really..?
853:  Ringing wet.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Sweat. Sweat a lot.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, what do you call that kinda sore that a bunch of people get on well some people get it on the back of their neck?
853:  A boil.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh and what do you call that stuff that comes out if you have to have {X}
853:  Pus.
Interviewer:  {X} Do you have one?
853:  No but my husband did. And every man down at the shop one time, they all bought him a bunch of new clothes. And uh, they wore them before they had them laundered. You know, they were overalls and And a jumper. Working at the shops. And every last one of them, well I, I wouldn't swear all but Most of them had big boils, had to cut out places, you know, have them latched. Not only latched but just ring it out before it gets, well. {NW} And he and his brother, of course I saw theirs.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they were terrible.
Interviewer:  That's awful, why did it do that?
853:  I don't know, but there was some kind of poison in the dye. That dyed the overalls and jumper.
Interviewer:  That's horrible. That, oh. When you get a blister, what do you call that stuff that forms under the blister?
853:  Water.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, uh, you might say "a bee stung me and my hand.."?
853:  Swelled
Interviewer:  Okay and in fact it's still pretty badly..?
853:  Puffed.
Interviewer:  Okay, or if you were gonna use the word swell, you'd say it's still pretty badly..?
853:  Swollen.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh If somebody got shot in the war you'd say he got a..?
853:  Wound
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. Around the wound, sometimes it doesn't heal just right and you get this kind of white, veinular substance and they have to cut it out
853:  Pus.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, do you ever hear it called any kind of flesh?
853:  Proud flesh.
Interviewer:  What is that anyway?
853:  Well it's, uh, flesh that, uh, there's enough, uh, impurities that it won't slough off to the real flesh or new flesh so it can heal.
Interviewer:  Well, that's terrible
853:  Proud flesh is, we used to have it a lot. Now I don't know why we don't have it anymore but I don't care how bad kids get hurt and how long an old sore'll stay.
Interviewer:  {X}
853:  They won't, you don't get, I don't ever hear of proud flesh anymore I imagine the first thing we'd do now, think we'd doctor them.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Didn't used to have anything to doctor with.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah. Probably I guess
853:  Nothing but turpentine. {NW} And it's the best poison absorber in the world. {NW}
Interviewer:  Sounds horrible.
853:  My husband had, uh, ruptured appendix and he drained in his side for a long time And, uh, I fixed a {X} to go on, he had a knot that came around it and I was gonna have to, be go back in there And I said "I'm gonna doctor you to suit myself" and we done brought him home And I fixed with turpentine, rag and, um, mentholatum and campho phenique {NW} Things like that you know? And I I went to the store and got some {X} Pure lard.
Interviewer:  What does that do?
853:  Well it's a grease, keeps it from blistering. And I melt that in there, I saturated this, I cut the tail out of his old shirt, army shirt. And I put that around him real tight and see this had gotten into the lungs. And he had an abscessed lung. They was gonna have to go in there and drain that lung. {NW} And of course he's a railroad man, they didn't he was allowed so long in the hospital. He hear and when he got able to travel, I took him to Texarkana. And the doctor said "Young lady I want you to remember, that you saved your husband's life"
Interviewer:  Huh
853:  The turpentine is the best poison absorber you can ever put on an outside place.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And they did uh, it dissolved, that, uh, lung tumor. And he don't have to have nothing done but just stay here and get well
Interviewer:  Well that's great I never heard such a thing.
853:  That's what he told me.
Interviewer:  That's great. How did you know that?
853:  Well, I'd a had it, that's all we ever had to doctor with, you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I put it around him and I, he was, I got him out of bed. And I sat him up in a high back chair And I reached around him and I wrapped around that chair and I hugged that up close to him. And when he began to get past warm, I'd take it and heat it again. Put it back on him. I did that for four hours, and he began to cough and spit up that pus, bloody pus.
Interviewer:  Huh. That's great.
853:  Saved his life. As soon as he got, his temperature went down from a hundred and five. And his temperature went way back down not really normal. I called and made reservations for an ambulance to meet him at the train in Texarkana.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  We got on the train, went to Texarkana and got in there midnight. And the doctor was there ready to meet him He said he's alright.
Interviewer:  hundred and five is awfully high for an adult.
853:  Oh yes, indeed.
Interviewer:  And you have trouble with your appendix what do you say you have? You say you have..?
853:  Appendicitis. {NW}
Interviewer:  Did he know he had appendicitis before he had the fever?
853:  No, he fell in a drop pit, you wouldn't know what it is, down at the shop And a seven hundred pound jack fell on him. And it ruptured that appendix Appendix.
Interviewer:  It's a wonder it didn't kill him.
853:  It is. And, uh, he was off for months and months and months. Before he could work anymore.
Interviewer:  Yeah, well I suppose if you could get the insurance money because he was injured on the job.
853:  Yeah, mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What was the pit he was down in that you said?
853:  Well you had to, you roll these engines trains, engines, railroad engines, over this drop pit. And you went down on a ladder and it was high enough that you could stand up and work under it. Go ahead and work on the engine.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh I see. Yeah and that's what he was doing.
853:  And he was and of course they drain those things and that oil was made deep in there and you know. And, uh, they said he was in one round mess when he got to hospital. Cause it knocked him out of course. And they had a time getting him out of the {X}
Interviewer:  Oh dear, when did you hear about how did they
853:  Well, uh, his brother worked there too, and Lee came and got me and took me to the hospital. My mother lived with me then and we moved to town.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, why he was in the hospital?
853:  No, my momma lived with us because we had to carry water from houses. We didn't have any water on this place.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Never could get a drop of water. And up on the other end as well, now stands I guess twenty-five, thirty feet in water fifty-two feet deep.
Interviewer:  hmm, that's a pretty deep hole.
853:  I'd go up there and wash. John would go up in the afternoon and draw water. Fill the tubs and the pots
Interviewer:  How old were you when that happened?
853:  When he got hurt?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well it, I was forty-five, yeah. Our daughter had just married and left home, left, moved to {X} nineteen thirty-six
Interviewer:  I bet that scared you.
853:  Oh, mercy. And I sat by his bed twenty-six days and I didn't leave. Yes I did, uh, I took my clothes to my sister's. She lived three and a half blocks from Hillcrest hospital. And I'd go down there and get a bath and go right back down there.
Interviewer:  Well that's a hard way to live. Um. What is the kind of medicine that people used to keep on the medicine cabinet and {X} {B} {X}
853:  {NS} There in the mornings you know.
Interviewer:  Settle down you're going to make the room blow up {NS} Probably make it harder to cool off
853:  {NS} Yeah.
Interviewer:  Harder stupid thing stupid thing why it does that oh perfect {NW} you know uh this place where I'm staying right now the uh it faces west.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And that from about about six o'clock in the evening the sun starts to shine right on that window.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And from about six until about eight thirty when the sun goes down.
853:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Right on that window and the air conditioning is just going {X} you know it can't even phase it.
853:  No that's right.
Interviewer:  It's really hot in there. {NW} I was going to ask you about the kind of medicine people used to keep in their uh medicine cabinet had a skull and cross bones on it and it was reddish brown and it hurt like crazy you put it on a little scratch.
853:  Liniment.
Interviewer:  Uh this is to put on scratches not for sore muscles but just if you've got a scratch you know it might get infected to dis-
853:  You mean powder or or salve?
Interviewer:  Uh liquid it was a liquid what I used to see and it.
853:  {NS} Well we used Sloan's liniment
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  For sore pla- Not uh open wound.
Interviewer:  Yeah well this is for an open wound.
853:  Oh.
Interviewer:  What kind of brown did you ever use any brown medicine at all for an open wound?
853:  I don't remember.
Interviewer:  Okay um two kinds of salt you can get at the grocery store you can get just plain salt or you can get salt with what?
853:  Iodized.
Interviewer:  Okay uh {NS} what do you call those those white you know that white bitter powder that you can take uh as a tonic for a cold
853:  Quinine.
Interviewer:  Okay did y'all ever take that?
853:  Yes sir. {NS} And calomel.
Interviewer:  Is that the same thing or is that?
853:  No no no it was different. Uh now quinine {NW} was good for fever.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And calomel was good for malaria.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  You you take calomel in the spring for malaria fever.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Wasn't that stupid? Nothing to it.
Interviewer:  Huh really?
853:  But that is all we had.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Everybody else did.
Interviewer:  Yeah did it taste bad?
853:  Yeah and you know they'd. My dad I've seen my daddy take it and you got the little piece of paper. {NW} Uh writing tablet had its own kind of paper didn't have wax paper then you know. {NW} And you'd he'd take his knife. And he'd get a little bit of calomel. Put it down here. {NW} Then he'd get a little bit of soda that was keeping {NW} to keep it from salivating you.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And you'd mix that up real good. And then put it in that little old piece of paper that he'd cut up. {NW} And then that was a dose. And when they got around to take it why you stuck your tongue out and they sprinkled it on your tongue and took your water and swallowed it.
Interviewer:  Yuck sounds terrible. {NW}
853:  It it was awful and quinine it today uh I guess the younger generation would say it is as bitter as quinine.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  It was gosh awful.
Interviewer:  Really I've never tasted it but I know.
853:  They don't give it anymore. {NW} It's in all medicines.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Calomel and quinine's in all medicines nearly.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  and for some purpose.
Interviewer:  Yeah they just don't give it by itself.
853:  But you don't take it by itself like you used to.
Interviewer:  Oh you might say the doctor did everything he could but the patient.
853:  Died.
Interviewer:  Okay um what are some other words for it for died?
853:  Expired
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
853:  Passed away.
Interviewer:  Okay you might say oh excuse me I'm glad that old skin flint finally what he'd always be?
853:  Died or left town.
Interviewer:  Okay well if he died what's a funny way of saying it?
853:  Kicked the bucket.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Anything else?
853:  {NW} Turned up his toes.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 {NW} # Oh #1 Mercy #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Oh you might say he's been dead a week and nobody's figured out yet what he
853:  Died with.
Interviewer:  Okay and um place where they bury people is called the?
853:  The what?
Interviewer:  Place where they bury people is called?
853:  Oh cemetery.
Interviewer:  Okay and if it's small and just and out in the country it's called a?
853:  It's graveyard.
Interviewer:  Okay and and what if it's real small and just on a farm you know like family's buried there?
853:  Just a burial plot.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  Um and that box that they put the body in what do you call that?
853:  Casket.
Interviewer:  Okay ever heard any old fashioned names for it?
853:  Black box used to say {NW} Well they're going to have to go to town to get the black box to put him in.
Interviewer:  Huh okay uh you might say he was a real important man everybody in town turned out for his
853:  Funeral.
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If people were dressed in black you'd say they are in
853:  Mourning.
Interviewer:  Okay did they used to have funeral homes the way they do now?
853:  {NW} No.
Interviewer:  What'd they do?
853:  I don't know where they had {NW} where they had the caskets.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm maybe they just had a
853:  But you come to town and got one in a wagon.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And brought it back {NW} and brought it to the house where they died. {NW} And they put them in the casket and carried them to the graveyard and they had. {NW} Uh uh. Followers just like they do today and processions you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh from the house.
853:  Uh-huh uh-huh there'll be neighbors that would collect there and have their horse and buggy or {NW} wagon and a herd of kids.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah?
853:  And uh go to the funeral.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And there's more people went to funerals than they do now.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  Oh much much more.
Interviewer:  Huh wonder why.
853:  Well they were more respectful. People don't have much respect for you anymore. {NW} You have to do something out standing before you get have neighbors anymore much.
Interviewer:  Yeah that's true that's true that happens a lot.
853:  {NW} No you don't I- I dare say you don't have any neighbors do you? {NW} Well of course I do.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Because I've been here a long time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But I had an old man actually not too old a lot younger than I am. Second house to this one. {NW} he threw one fit right after the other when this colored man moved next door to me.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
853:  Asked me one day what I thought about it and I said now called him by name I said not a thing I can do about it. The government sold it to him.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Moved him in there. And uh I'd rather they'd like me than not.
Interviewer:  Really yeah.
853:  And I'm going to tell you right now I- I don't have to brag to tell you they liked me.
Interviewer:  Yeah it sounds like he's a nice man. #1 Too #
853:  #2 Yeah # If anything happens to me he starts crying.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Well he's nervous. {NW} He's a- He's a disabled veteran.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  He was in the Korean War.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  And he was- He's nervous. I'm always giving him something. If I make a cake or something I'll give him a big piece of cake.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
853:  He says that all you got?
Interviewer:  {NW} Take more. {NW} If you see a friend uh downtown and they say how you doing and it's just an average day you'll say oh
853:  Fine or okay.
Interviewer:  Okay um if your if your joints are getting stiff and achy and you say you got just a touch of?
853:  Rheumatism.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh what was the name of that disease that when children used to get a real terrible sore throat and they died in the middle of the night?
853:  Diphtheria.
Interviewer:  Yeah did you ever know anybody who had it?
853:  Oh yes. Lot of people.
Interviewer:  Anybody in your family ever have it?
853:  Yes. My sister in law's son. {NW} And you were quarantined you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And she called me and wanted me to come and stay with her. She lived in town then. {NW} And I went and I had to stay two or three weeks I couldn't come out of there.
Interviewer:  Boy that's terrible.
853:  Until they lifted the quarantine.
Interviewer:  Yeah was he
853:  About to die.
Interviewer:  But he alright?
853:  Oh yeah. {NW} He's uh {NW} A sports editor of Waco News Tribune. {NW} And he publishes a sports magazine. {NW} He's today {NW} what I would call immensely rich.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he was they were so poor at that time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And his daddy died and {NW} they moved out here then so we could- {NW} And my husband and the other two brothers would give her money enough to buy groceries and things you know they didn't have any. {X} But listen he's plenty rich today.
Interviewer:  Well I hope does he take care of his mother.
853:  Oh mercy yes.
Interviewer:  Oh that's good then.
853:  He's a fine person.
Interviewer:  Uh what do you call that disease where your your skin and your eyeballs turn yellow?
853:  Yellow fever yellow jaundice.
Interviewer:  Okay uh {NS} if you if you eat something that doesn't agree with you it might come back up and you?
853:  Vomit
Interviewer:  Okay um is is vomit the most polite word for that?
853:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Okay what are some less polite words?
853:  Oh well you'll say well I hurled my toes up or I up chucked half a night.
Interviewer:  Okay yuck oh I hate that worse than anything.
853:  If I ever have to vomit well you better call a doctor I'm sick.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah me too I
853:  I get sick in my stomach but I can't vomit.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh I'm that way too my husband will just go in the bathroom and throw up just the easiest #1 Thing and he #
853:  #2 Yeah #
Interviewer:  Feels better I can't do that.
853:  Now you see you said throw up
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And we said that too.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh uh-huh I guess I'd say that.
853:  More than vomit or
Interviewer:  Yeah I think I do say that more than vomit {X}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh if you eat something that doesn't agree with you you might feel sick where?
853:  In your stomach.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if a boy keeps going out to the same girl's house all the time you'd say he's?
853:  Courting her.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And uh in that case he would be her?
853:  Steady.
Interviewer:  Okay and she would be his?
853:  Girlfriend
Interviewer:  Okay and if a boy comes home with lipstick on his collar his little brother would say uh-huh you've been?
853:  Kissing.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW} Or necking.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If the girl stops letting him come over to see her you'd say she?
853:  Broke up.
Interviewer:  Okay uh he asked her to marry him but she?
853:  Said no.
Interviewer:  Okay uh and say they were engaged but all of a sudden she just what?
853:  Said take me home.
Interviewer:  Okay alright she they were engaged and she decided she didn't want to be engaged anymore so how would you say what would you say she did?
853:  She'd say now I'm just real sorry but I don't want to go with you anymore.
Interviewer:  Okay uh.
853:  That's what I did.
Interviewer:  You did?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Who was it what what?
853:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Oh no {NW} But I went with a boy a long time and I- I decided that he liked me better than I did him. {NW} I liked him
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  an awful lot.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  He was a fine person. And he was {NW} I decided John I guess he was the nicest boy I ever went with.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But he he was hunting somebody to get married.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And I told him I said I don't believe we ought to go together anymore. {NW} He said how come? {NW} And I said because I think you like me in a different way to what I like you.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh yeah
853:  I didn't say love.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Did he understand?
853:  Hmm
Interviewer:  Did he understand or?
853:  Yes he did Uh he went to our church and when I taught Sunday school in the children department. {NW} And of course he was in the old folks' class and {NW} after that I we'd sit together in church. But he never asked me for a date after.
Interviewer:  Well that was nice They can end in disaster too because uh we had some friends who were married and and I know when they got married that he was just looking for somebody to marry anybody.
853:  Right.
Interviewer:  Anybody who was remotely #1 Suitable #
853:  #2 Right # Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And they were married for five or six years and then all of a sudden she came home one day and said I want a divorce and uh they got a divorce two months later she married somebody else.
853:  Isn't that something? {NS} Well I used to go with a boy {NW} and I liked him from brown wood he was uh. And he was up until he retired {NW} uh president of Daniel Baker College. And uh he was teaching at Daniel Baker at that time. And uh he'd come to Waco and spend the summer. And I'd go with him I wouldn't as long as John now wasn't mad.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm mm-hmm.
853:  But uh if John And I had a little break up then I'd go with Will because I wanted to hurt him. #1 Wasn't I awful? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah # {NW} Shame on you. {NW}
853:  And uh I'd uh go with him.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  So finally I he asked me if you know I thought I could love him and I made up my mind I told my mother I was going to marry him.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  He'd been wanting me to for years. Mama said no sugar you can't do that. You don't want to.
Interviewer:  Huh
853:  You can't do that.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And she talked to me a long time yes I am. I'll show John.
Interviewer:  Oh uh-huh.
853:  So we went to this show and this is the difference in boys and girls in my day.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  In a buggy coming on back. Why he was talking about getting married and everything and I was halfway sanctioning it you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Finally he reached over. I had his hat in in my lap. At night of course. And he reached over and got my hand and kissed it I thought I'd jump out of that buggy.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  That was the worst thing that could have ever happened to me.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  And I thought then if I can't stand for that man to kiss my hand. {NW} I could never love him.
Interviewer:  Yeah really yeah.
853:  So when I- I began talking to him then. I said no well I couldn't ever marry you and you wonder why. And I told him the truth. But I got he stayed at the Raleigh and left town that night.
Interviewer:  Huh
853:  And uh I. He wrote me the awfulest ugliest letter I didn't know anybody. I didn't think it was in him.
Interviewer:  Well aren't you glad you didn't marry him if he was like that?
853:  Well he was just telling me how I had led him on. For these five long years. Every summer I came to Waco and stayed strictly to be with you. You led me on nothing ugly you know he didn't say anything ugly. So I sat down and wrote him a letter and I let mama read it. She said that's one of the nicest letters I ever read. He'll understand.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And he called me long distance from Brownwood and apologized.
Interviewer:  Oh good.
853:  And I've never seen or heard tell of him since.
Interviewer:  Huh wonder what happened to him.
853:  He never did marry.
Interviewer:  Oh. #1 really #
853:  #2 And since # John's been gone his cousin. She's a matchmaker she called me.
Interviewer:  Oh dear.
853:  #1 And she #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  Said say Will's here would you like to see him I said no. Yes. She said I'll bring him out I said no wait a minute. I know you Olly. I've known you all of my life. Don't bring Will Wilson out here. {NW} I don't want to see him for the reason you do. {NW} Now I'd like to see him because he's a good friend.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  He's a good man. And so she says and you don't want me to bring him I said no ma'am I don't.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm yeah getting put on the spot. #1 Like that #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  Just ugh.
853:  So she didn't and I haven't.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And he retired about two or three years ago.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh well it would be different if you just happened to run into him but for her to
853:  #1 Certainly #
Interviewer:  #2 bring him over #
853:  to get us started back together. #1 Again #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah # That's really cute.
853:  And I told her later on she we got to talking about it and I said now I'll tell you something I'm a different person to you. What you are. When Sydney died you didn't wait very long to marry. That was your business. There was nothing disgraceful about it. But it proved definitely to me that you didn't love Sydney like I love John.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  I could never marry again she said well you might. My husband's been dead fourteen years I said no ma'am I'm too old to marry. Not after having the kind of husband I had {NW} fifty years.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  No.
Interviewer:  People are just different you know I don't know.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Talking about getting married what do you call a man who stands up with the groom?
853:  {NW} Best man.
Interviewer:  Okay what do you stand a call a woman who stands up with the?
853:  Matron of honor or bridesmaid.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um did you ever hear about things where after the wedding all of the boys in the neighborhood?
853:  Shivaree.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Did y'all do that here?
853:  Yeah yeah they didn't me but {NW} uh they did a lot then.
Interviewer:  What'd they do?
853:  Uh they'd come around with uh rice and old tin pans and tin cans and beat them and around wherever you stand all night and you didn't get to sleep.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Terrible I had one lady tell me about uh they shivareed them and they came in and stole the groom took him away.
853:  Right they did they tried it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  They did do always tried for that.
Interviewer:  That's terrible.
853:  Yeah. {NW}
Interviewer:  Um.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If there was a party and there was some trouble at the party and the police came but they didn't just arrest the people who were making the trouble they arrested the
853:  Whole bunch.
Interviewer:  Okay uh after a football game now high school kids usually go to a what?
853:  Party.
Interviewer:  Okay well what what did they do at the party?
853:  Well they'd I think they still have little play parties like you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Play little games and things.
Interviewer:  What about when they have a band and and have music and what do they do then?
853:  They dance.
Interviewer:  Okay uh you might say s- four-o-clock is the time when school
853:  Is out.
Interviewer:  Okay and the day after labor day is when school?
853:  Has a holiday.
Interviewer:  In the fall right after labor day is when school?
853:  Takes up.
Interviewer:  Okay uh if a boy left home to go to school and he didn't show up you'd say he
853:  Ran away from home.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what if he wasn't really trying to be away from home he just didn't want to go to school?
853:  Played hooky.
Interviewer:  Okay anybody in your family ever do that?
853:  Huh.
Interviewer:  Anybody in your family ever do that?
853:  No not with my daddy.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh #
853:  #2 {NW} # Cause they had to come back.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  No they never did. {NW} Now my younger brother said not too long back {NW} that he played hooky one morning.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Uh on April fool.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And he decided that wouldn't work and he left the gang and went back to school.
Interviewer:  Oh he did uh-huh that's probably smart.
853:  Yeah he knew what would happen.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  If one of us that were still in school too {NW} would tell.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  But you know that's one thing I never did on my brothers.
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Uh tell on them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  I tell them if you do that again I'll tell.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You better not ever do that again if you do I'll tell.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  I'll tell papa. #1 And he'd #
Interviewer:  #2 What would you #
853:  #1 He'd #
Interviewer:  #2 What would you # Go ahead go ahead.
853:  He'd give them a good whipping.
Interviewer:  Yeah what would you call somebody who tells on other kids?
853:  Tattle tale. {NW} No I never tell on them. {NW} Uh and I was the only girl at that time that would be big enough to go to school with the boys and run around and play. I played ball well with them you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Baseball you know and uh because I had no my other two sisters was little.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Too little for me to play with I nursed them and wagged them straddled my neck and things like that but not just play with them.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But uh {NW} I never told on my brothers. And I- I remember when they started smoking.
Interviewer:  Oh uh-huh.
853:  I'd tell them if I see you smoking anymore if you ever {NW} if I ever catch you smoking again I'm going to tell papa.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh uh-huh.
853:  And sure enough they didn't.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Until they got grown and got away from home.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 Do they #
853:  #2 I #
Interviewer:  Smoke did they smoke after that?
853:  Yes but they're the last one to quit. #1 Before it was over #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that # Huh.
853:  After they got older
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  quit.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  My daddy did too. {NW} My daddy said he smoked when he was seven. But he quit long years before he died.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm mm-hmm uh would you ever use the word tattletale about an adult.
853:  {NS} Did I ever do that?
Interviewer:  Well would you ever say the world tattletale about an adult?
853:  Oh indeed.
Interviewer:  What what kind of person is that?
853:  Well that's a person that's a gossiper.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Always telling something.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  You know I told John one time I said uh. We sat on our front porch and I knew more than half of the people in the community you think I would tell it. I'd see that boy across the street over there {NW} after they'd all go to bed he'd come out. And he'd walk right down in front of my house and walk down. {NW} Way on down to East Waco that was the only place there was houses in you know.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  But he'd get down there and they had old domino halls and
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  beer joints down there then.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well he'd go down there and when he'd get home I wouldn't know.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  But I wouldn't have told him.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh his parents I guess didn't know he was
853:  Oh no no no no.
Interviewer:  Huh he just sneaked out I guess.
853:  Yeah I told him one time about it. And he said you wouldn't tell would you I said no. He said how come? {NW} I said because I wouldn't think that'd be right. I said I- I it's none of my business what you're doing you're old enough to know better. And you know your parents don't want you to do it. {NW} And I said {X} not a reason in the world for me to tell on you {NW} because it wouldn't stop you.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm that's true that's true.
853:  So no I'm not going to tell.
Interviewer:  {NW} He was probably glad.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh uh let's see you go to school in order to get an
853:  Education.
Interviewer:  Okay and after high school some people go on to
853:  College.
Interviewer:  And after kindergarten you go into the
853:  Regular school.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You've got the croup this morning.
853:  {NW} No I'll tell you what. {NS} Talking.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
853:  You know I have just not gotten to where in the last week or two since I was in the hospital. {NW} That I don't have to cough when I talk.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  And the doctor said I didn't get enough oxygen to my heart.
Interviewer:  Oh uh-huh.
853:  That's the reason I cough.
Interviewer:  Well you tell me if you get
853:  No it don't it doesn't hurt me but it's annoying to the other person more so than {NW} to me but if I breathe right. I don't do that so much.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Quick cough carry on all the time in the mornings particularly now it's not bad this morning but
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  Excuse me.
Interviewer:  I have I'm allergic to everything and
853:  I'm not.
Interviewer:  Oh be glad. {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  It is such a nuisance maybe you better get a glass of water.
853:  {NW} {NW} {NS} {NW}
Interviewer:  They come and take you to the hospital.
853:  Three o'clock in the morning the first time and seven the next time at night.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
853:  In the evening.
Interviewer:  Seems like they usually happen at night or in the evening you know.
853:  I know it I have to I take more medicine than you ever saw and I have to take a nitroglycerin tablet before I go to bed.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  My husband's father had a heart attack had several but it seemed like they were always at night.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  Hmm
Interviewer:  Strange {NW} Oh used to be in school children sat on benches but now they sit at
853:  Table.
Interviewer:  Well
853:  No they sit
Interviewer:  They sit
853:  Desk.
Interviewer:  Okay and each child has his own
853:  Desk.
Interviewer:  Okay and sometimes there'll be twenty or thirty in a group twenty or thirty
853:  Children.
Interviewer:  Well
853:  Desks?
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And if you want to check out a book you go to the?
853:  Library.
Interviewer:  And you mail a package at the
853:  Post office.
Interviewer:  And you stay overnight in a strange town at a
853:  Motel or hotel.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And the place where you go to see a play or a movie.
853:  Theater.
Interviewer:  Okay and um {NW} person in the hospital who wakes you up in the middle of the night and takes your pulse and gives you shots and stuff is a what?
853:  Hospital.
Interviewer:  The person who does this
853:  Oh he's a patient.
Interviewer:  A person who comes in and takes your pulse
853:  Oh do- A nurse.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 Nurse nurse #
Interviewer:  Okay um you go to catch a train at the what?
853:  Depot.
Interviewer:  Okay what's another word for depot?
853:  Station.
Interviewer:  Uh what kind of station?
853:  Railroad station.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  In the in the city around the courthouse uh what do you call that little area around the courthouse?
853:  Lawn.
Interviewer:  Okay um uh let's see oh say you got two streets like this they cross okay and buildings that would be like here and here you'd say they're across the street from each other
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  But if they were here and here
853:  Catty-corner.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Um # Now in Waco I guess they have buses for for public transportation but it used to be they had
853:  Street car.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh you might tell the bus driver next corner is where I want
853:  To get off.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NS} Used to punch a bus button you know. You do now I guess.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  I haven't ridden a bus I don't know either.
Interviewer:  Um does Waco have a county government for McLennan County?
853:  Have a county government?
Interviewer:  Have a county government.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  So Waco would be the what for McLennan County?
853:  {NW} {X} County seat.
Interviewer:  Okay and if you're an FBI agent you work for the federal?
853:  Government
Interviewer:  Okay and um a political candidate who wants the police to get tougher says he's for what?
853:  Wants to get tougher?
Interviewer:  He wants the police to get tougher so he's for
853:  He's for more service or
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  whatever. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Um #
853:  #2 {NW} # {NS} Now you're going to find out No I'll take that back {NW} I guess I know about as many places as the average.
Interviewer:  Probably probably so
853:  I read an awful lot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I listen to that radio all morning and the television all afternoon.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh that makes a difference.
853:  And clear to the new news goes off at ten o'clock ten thirty.
Interviewer:  I watch uh well I watch the today show do you watch the today show.
853:  I have uh-huh a lot #1 Of times #
Interviewer:  #2 I like # That and then I watch the news at night and then usually I watch ten o'clock news for the weather.
853:  Mm-hmm mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Sometimes I watch Johnny Carson.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Tonight show.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I like that stuff.
853:  Does your husband stay up that late too?
Interviewer:  {NW} No I'm the night owl he goes to bed he conks out about nine thirty.
853:  {NW} That sounds like John {B}
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I stay up he keeps why don't you go and go to bed and I'm like well I'm not sleepy and sometimes I stay up until one or two just because I'm not sleepy yet.
853:  Well do you get up and fix breakfast?
Interviewer:  Yeah he doesn't eat it but I fix it for me he doesn't like breakfast I've tried to get him to eat it and he won't eat breakfast.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  But I fix breakfast for myself because I have to have it.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I have to have two eggs and bacon and toast and all that stuff.
853:  Telling you
Interviewer:  Uh let's see name for me all the southern states you can think of.
853:  Ooh murder.
Interviewer:  Just just all you can think
853:  {NW} Of course we'd start with Texas.
Interviewer:  Course.
853:  Alabama Louisiana Mississippi Kentucky Uh Arkansas And uh Florida Louisiana I think I named that yeah {NW} And uh
Interviewer:  What's the place where they grow a lot of peaches?
853:  Where what?
Interviewer:  They grow a lot of peaches.
853:  Alabama.
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  Georgia. Georgia peaches
Interviewer:  And they've got north and south.
853:  Carolina North and South {NW} Uh well
Interviewer:  Um
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What's the state just north of Texas?
853:  Uh Kansas.
Interviewer:  Okay and Tulsa is in?
853:  Oklahoma.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh um Albany is in what state?
853:  Albany is in New York.
Interviewer:  Okay and Annapolis and Baltimore are in
853:  Maryland.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh Richmond is
853:  Virginia.
Interviewer:  Okay um think you got all of them Boston is in what state?
853:  Massachusetts.
Interviewer:  Okay and all those states from from Maine down to Connecticut are what do you call that area?
853:  Eastern
Interviewer:  Okay um let's see now these are cities uh the capital of the United States is
853:  Capital of United States?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Washington.
Interviewer:  Washington what?
853:  D-C
Interviewer:  Okay. #1 And #
853:  #2 Mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  Uh the biggest city in Missouri?
853:  Is uh Let's see Missouri what?
Interviewer:  They got that big arch goes across the like the same side of the river I think and um {NW}
853:  Missouri. #1 Oh gracious #
Interviewer:  #2 I forgot the name of their baseball # Team.
853:  Any other time I could say it right up.
Interviewer:  Those baseball teams really ran so much
853:  #1 I've been there #
Interviewer:  #2 I can't remember what #
853:  #1 I #
Interviewer:  #2 Their team is #
853:  I've been there.
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What's a big city in Maryland?
853:  Maryland.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Well
Interviewer:  Any old city in Maryland?
853:  I don't know.
Interviewer:  Okay um name some big cities in the south just as many as
853:  Uh Houston and
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  And uh New Orleans.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  And oh Pensacola Florida.
Interviewer:  Okay um in Tennessee the city where they have all the country music?
853:  Yeah Nashville.
Interviewer:  Okay I'm going there next week.
853:  Are you?
Interviewer:  Yeah my husband's people live in Nashville.
853:  Well good.
Interviewer:  Going to see them.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Uh that's an awful pretty part of the country.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Lots of trees.
853:  Uh-huh it's real nice. I've been there. {NW} We've been in every direction.
Interviewer:  Oh have you I haven't been west I haven't been much west.
853:  Uh We've been we went the southern route to Oregon.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And came back we called it the lower route.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And came back through you know Nebraska and {NW} Colorado and all around through there and stopped along the way.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  Well we took thirty days traveling
Interviewer:  Oh great have you been east?
853:  Well we've been to Arkansas and Missouri and {NW} uh Virginia and you know East.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Not uh. Not that'd be northeast or Northern part of it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  But anyway Uh and down in Florida New Orleans.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah what's the capital of Louisiana it's just north of New Orleans?
853:  {NW} Well it isn't Louisiana I mean it- it isn't New Orleans is it?
Interviewer:  I don't think so um {NW} let's see oh what's that big city in the north where uh Al Capone had his rackets and uh Mayor Daley fellow just died a few months ago?
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  He was mayor of windy city what's that city?
853:  Hmm {NS} I can just When you said Mayor Daley it knocked all of the {NW}
Interviewer:  Short circuited everything.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  They don't have it in Texas I think we've been we've been discriminated against.
853:  Yeah {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh let me ask you about some countries um Dublin is in what country?
853:  Ireland.
Interviewer:  Okay and Paris is the capital of
853:  France.
Interviewer:  And Moscow is in
853:  Russia.
Interviewer:  Okay um what are some churches here in town?
853:  Oh there's the Presbyterian the Baptist and the Methodist and the {NW} Christ- Central Christian. #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay # If somebody becomes a member you'd say he
853:  A member of The Methodist or the Baptist?
Interviewer:  Okay if you're going to become a member next Sunday you say next Sunday I'm going to
853:  Join the church.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh and in church they pray to
853:  God.
Interviewer:  Okay uh and the preacher you might say delivered a fine
853:  Sermon.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh the choir and the organist provided good
853:  Music.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if you had to change a flat tire on the way to church one Sunday you might say we better hurry up or church will be over
853:  Before we can get there.
Interviewer:  Okay um what did people used to tell children would come and get them if they weren't good?
853:  Booger.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  You know what {NS} I think that's the cruelest thing I never would allow that.
Interviewer:  But you know when when I heard it one of my parents didn't tell me it was other kids.
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Older kids.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Always you know older.
853:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 Kids # Always did
853:  Well I never would allow that my John's family did that my family didn't.
Interviewer:  I don't think it's good.
853:  You know what my they'd grab you off and set you in their lap {NW} and sit down and talk to you and tell you. Now that's not right that's a sin for you to {NW} take your brother's candy or whatever you {NW} stealing it's just as bad to steal from your brother as it is to steal from a stranger.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And uh You know whatever they'd get why if they had pencils. Maybe some of them wouldn't take care of them they'd just sharpen theirs away you know and everything. Well you'd get theirs and {NW} put it with your sharpener my brothers did.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And Papa would say now it's just as bad to steal from your brother
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  As it is from the Smith boys over yonder or the Hopkins.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  You don't do that.
Interviewer:  That's right.
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Um # What do you call that old fellow that they you just see pictures of him with horns and pitchfork?
853:  The devil.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Now is he the same as the booger man?
853:  Yeah that's what we considered.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh the same thing.
853:  Uh-huh. {NW} If you'd if they tell the booger man is going to get you you'd? Think of the devil.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh okay uh what is it that people think they see around a graveyard at night?
853:  Oh.
Interviewer:  They think they see it.
853:  Ghost.
Interviewer:  Okay what would you call a house that had those things in it?
853:  Haunted. {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh uh in the morning if you went outside and it was kind of cold you know you might say better put on a sweater it's getting
853:  Chilly out there.
Interviewer:  Okay um what would you say to a friend that you hadn't seen for a long time?
853:  Oh I'm so glad to see you.
Interviewer:  Okay uh {NS} Getting stuff I can spit but I have to
853:  Oh good.
Interviewer:  Yeah really uh toward the end it gets that way.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  How would you greet somebody about December twenty-fifth?
853:  I what?
Interviewer:  December 25th how would you greet somebody?
853:  Christmas gift.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay anything else you might say?
853:  Happy Christmas.
Interviewer:  Okay anything else?
853:  I guess that might be it.
Interviewer:  Okay what would you to somebody about January first?
853:  Well New Years gift or hi Happy New Year.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Not gift. {NW} Happy new year.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what would you to somebody by way of appreciation besides thank you you might say well think you I'm much uh?
853:  Appreciated.
Interviewer:  Okay um you might say you have to go downtown to do some?
853:  Shopping.
Interviewer:  Okay and so you went downtown and you bought something and the storekeeper took a piece of paper and he
853:  Wrapped it.
Interviewer:  Okay and when you got home you
853:  Unwrapped it and showed it off.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If the storekeeper was selling something for two dollars that he paid two fifty for he'd be selling at?
853:  A bargain.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  Or cheaper.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say that sure is a nice dress because I but I can't buy it because it
853:  Too high.
Interviewer:  Okay or it what too much can't buy that because it Hmm?
853:  Cost too much.
Interviewer:  Okay uh time to pay the bill you'd say the bill is
853:  Too high.
Interviewer:  Uh if it's time to pay it?
853:  Oh due.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And uh to stay in good standing in your club you have to pay your
853:  Dues.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Club dues.
Interviewer:  Uh if you wanted to cut your grass and you didn't have a lawn mower you might go next door ask to what?
853:  Buy a mower.
Interviewer:  Well just next door just going next door
853:  Oh next door I thought you said the store uh. To see if I could get them to cut my grass.
Interviewer:  Oh okay but you want to do it you just want to use their
853:  Borrow their mower.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Borrow.
Interviewer:  Uh you might say in the nineteen thirties money was
853:  Scarce.
Interviewer:  It was huh
853:  {NW} I mean.
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh do you ever have places around here where you can swim did y'all go swimming?
853:  {NW} Yes.
Interviewer:  Did you swim?
853:  No no. I'd get in the water with my young one. So I could watch her.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  But John was an excellent swimmer and he tried to teach her and did teach her and she didn't like it and {NW} after she her daughter got grown why she became {NW} one of the dolphins. At uh this uh Y-W-C-A.
Interviewer:  What's that?
853:  And she taught that's the expert swimmers and they had all kinds of uh formations you know {NW} and she taught swimming.
Interviewer:  Huh that's neat um what do you say what do you call that when somebody jumped off head first
853:  Dives
Interviewer:  Okay uh and if you did it yesterday you'd say yesterday he
853:  Dive Dove off
Interviewer:  Okay and if you dive in the water and you land on your stomach and you hit the water flat
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call that
853:  Belly dive
Interviewer:  Okay uh and you might say the kids are out on the grass turning
853:  Somersault
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if you buy something or pay your bills sometimes the storekeeper will give you a little something extra
853:  Uh-huh
Interviewer:  What do you call that something extra
853:  They got a prize
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 From # Paying your bill on time or
Interviewer:  Anybody ever do that around here
853:  Used to but not anymore
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  No You don't get your money's worth #1 Half the time #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah really # Uh {NW}
853:  No uh at my grocery store I trade by the month
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  Not many places you can do that
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
853:  #2 You know # But I've been trading Well Nearly fifty years
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  From this same family Now They're this one's daddy And this one went to school with my daughter
Interviewer:  Hmm
853:  Still runs it see
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  And uh He'll always say get you some chewing gum {X} {B} Get you And he will uh You know If there's anybody in there I'll get my three packets of gum
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And sometimes he'll say {NW} Say Uh Here I want you to taste these these the best apples we've had in a long time
Interviewer:  Oh that's nice when somebody will tell you
853:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  {NW} Seems like half the time with produce you buy it you can't always tell if it's going to be good or not
853:  But you know he told me I said Marvin you shouldn't do that I I get full face value for my money. He said I know it but I know what you do with your money too. He said I know you've got one old lady that you nearly feed. Half of your grocery bill goes to her.
Interviewer:  This the lady next door over here.
853:  No {NW} I did.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  She gets a pretty good income now. {NW} I kept after her until she gets her veterans and she gets his social security.
Interviewer:  That's good.
853:  And then I took her down and made her take that boy as a dependent.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  He's a retarded child. I said you're entitled to it.
Interviewer:  That's right.
853:  She gets three uh pensions now.
Interviewer:  And he's a growing man he eats.
853:  Sure.
Interviewer:  What a growing man eats I guess
853:  Right and he's fifty odd years old {NW} big fat guy and he eats as much. One meal you and I'd eat two or three.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And uh Marvin says I know what you do with your money. And uh I of course uh We paid the last payment on their house for them.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Because {X} Got sick and {NW} Couldn't work and
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  John said now we've got to do something. And he and I'd go over there and cut the yard she'd sit and watch us mow. {NW}
Interviewer:  Well I think that was awful nice of you all but I don't understand that.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I mean I don't understand her
853:  No but uh they it was real good. It it was a good relation because he appreciated it she did too.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah
853:  Uh she's uh since I've been in the hospital these last two times uh she really looks after me I mean calls.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  You know if I'm not out If she don't see me go get my paper She'll say ms Terrell I didn't see you go get your paper how about Robert bringing it to you?
Interviewer:  Oh that's nice that's nice um if you can't swim uh you better not go in the water or you might?
853:  Drown.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say uh just last week somebody?
853:  Drowned.
Interviewer:  Okay and in fact many people had in the same spot
853:  Drowned right there.
Interviewer:  Okay uh what does a baby do before it's able to walk?
853:  Crawl.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say that sure would be a hard mountain to?
853:  Climb.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  I've climbed them.
Interviewer:  You have? {NW} Where have you climbed mountains?
853:  Well uh There's two or three pretty high ones in {NW} Arizona.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And I climbed about halfway up Mount Hood in that Oregon.
Interviewer:  I'm impressed have you ever been to Mount Scott in Oklahoma?
853:  No no.
Interviewer:  It's not very high.
853:  But uh Oh there's some high mountains in Arizona.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh yeah I bet there are we're going to climb some in Tennessee next week I hope Appalachian Trail goes through where we're going to be
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  You get on that and just climb {X}
853:  Yeah and we went to I forgot what mountain it was now in Ar- In Arkansas {NW} But we climbed a side of that mountain.
Interviewer:  In Arkansas?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Up in the north part?
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  My grandparents used to live up there in the northwest corner there was a little bitty town called Rogers I don't know if you've ever been to Rogers but Rogers
853:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  It's real pretty up north of Fayetteville you know?
853:  {NW} They uh {NW} They have what they call Manzanita. No no uh Hmm Manzanita Bay is in Oregon. Well what's this out from Arizona out from Flagstaff {NW} and you like right straight up and they have ladders built up on the side of that mountain. {NW} And you'd go up there {NW} and go in and that is a thick heavy rock goes extends way back although it's flat back in there too. {NW} But you can go in and out of adobes where the Indians {NW} lived up there. {NW} And there's places where they'd still where they'd have fire {NW} And cook on the fire you know and they'd build tin skillets and pots that they'd cook in.
Interviewer:  Yeah I've heard of places like that I've never seen a place
853:  And I picked up a A Indian pot that they made out of you know clay and stuff you've seen them.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Indian pots and things I've got one up there {NW} I didn't pick it up up there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  But uh I gave {X} That meant it had a little handle and you could tell it had been used.
Interviewer:  Huh that's neat.
853:  I picked it up in up in that {NW} forgot the name of that thing. {NW} We had a picnic {NS} was just beautiful.
Interviewer:  I wish I could see some place like that.
853:  But I'll tell you right now. When you scale that mountain looking right straight up it is right straight up just like putting a ladder up that wall. You feel like you're going to fall backwards.
Interviewer:  {NW} I can do without that thank you.
853:  And then when you got up there getting off that ladder into this hole that went into room.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And then when you come back and had to back {NW} down there and stick your feet and behind out first and oh gracious I forgot I was on this thing. {NW} And uh coming down that ladder was frightening.
Interviewer:  Indians probably did it everyday you know three or four times a day.
853:  Oh yes just
Interviewer:  Um what kind of uh childhood games did you play when you were a kid?
853:  Hopscotch and ring around the Rosie.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh what else?
853:  And baseball always baseball.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  My daddy was a professional player at that time.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Way back.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Uh-huh now uh when I say professional {NW} they didn't travel anywhere {NW} but he belonged to a a team that came out of Waco out in the country and got men to play you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 Yeah huh #
853:  #2 And and they'd # Play all over Texas.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Then
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Just Papa Ed {NW} Be gone there two or three times playing games you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah he probably enjoyed that.
853:  Oh yes he was a ball he was a pitcher. {NW}
Interviewer:  When y'all played ring around the Rosie how did you play it there are different ways to play it?
853:  I- I really about forgotten but {NW} it's uh ring around the Rosie and squat little Josie. {NW} And the one that squatted last well they had to get in the ring.
Interviewer:  Oh okay.
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Uh did you ever play hiding games?
853:  Hide and seek.
Interviewer:  Yeah how'd you play that I know there are different ways to play that?
853:  Well uh you would we'd take turns I guess we chose {NW} uh you'd be the one who'd have to count. And you'd have to count to so many {NW} we'd set a we'd say count to twenty-five.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And then I'd run and hide all the rest would run and hide. {NW} And you'd find them. {NW} Well if I beat you back to the base
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Well then uh I didn't have to count you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the one that you caught and if you didn't catch nobody you just had to keep counting.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Until everybody somebody got caught.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what do you call that person who was doing the looking?
853:  That what?
Interviewer:  What do you call that person who was doing the looking who had to count did you have a name for that person?
853:  Well no you're the you're the one.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  You're the one you got to count.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh okay uh let's see the little child was singing his prayers you'd say he went over beside his bed and?
853:  Knelt down.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh you might say I feel pretty tired I think I'll go to the couch and?
853:  Take a nap.
Interviewer:  Okay uh you might say he really was he couldn't even sit up he just what in bed all day?
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Just
853:  Just limber or sleep in the bed {NW} laying in the bed all day.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh a lot of times at night after you go to sleep you you what?
853:  Just lay awake.
Interviewer:  Well okay after you go to sleep though things that you see in your sleep you'd say you?
853:  Dream.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say I can't remember what I have?
853:  Dreamed.
Interviewer:  Okay uh did you dream anything last night?
853:  Yeah I did and what did I dream.
Interviewer:  I did but I don't remember what it was.
853:  I did too and I I remember my brother was there. And I didn't know he was going to be there I was in a crowd. I don't remember. But seemed like it was out in the front yard.
Interviewer:  I think I dreamed that I got lost.
853:  That was a bad omen. If they were out in my front yard.
Interviewer:  #1 Why is that bad? #
853:  #2 Because # They always Gather here for funerals and if a cousin or anybody dies well {NW} I send flowers and notify the family and they come up {NW} and they stay here.
Interviewer:  Huh
853:  And the men will stand out in the yard and talk and {NW} go around and look around and
Interviewer:  Well did they come here for weddings maybe it was a good omen?
853:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
853:  We don't have any weddings. #1 Anymore #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh well #
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh you might say I dreamed I was falling but just as I was about to hit the ground I
853:  Woke up.
Interviewer:  Okay uh if a kid was going through the house going. {NS}
853:  Stomping
Interviewer:  Okay thing's rattling um if you are uh driving your car home from a party and you see a friend walking you might stop and say hey can I?
853:  Give you a lift.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh to get a boat up on the land you tie a rope to it and what?
853:  Pull it out of the
Interviewer:  Okay #1 And if your #
853:  #2 Water #
Interviewer:  Car gets stuck in the mud you might have to have somebody give you a
853:  Pull it out.
Interviewer:  Well #1 Or a #
853:  #2 {X} # Boost or bump. {NW} Push it out.
Interviewer:  Okay ever had that happen?
853:  Oh yes yes.
Interviewer:  What happened?
853:  My daddy always uh they every Sunday they'd come here.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And then he'd want to go riding.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And at that time we didn't have too many roads you know good roads.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And he'd want to go down here and go through and go down {NW} the old Springfield road or the old {X} Road. {NW} And to walk in the bottom over in there was always muddy.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And mama would say now papa you're going to get down here and going to get John stuck. We'd get stuck and then we'd have to hunt a farmer to come with his mules and pull us out. And papa'd always make some kind of an excuse.
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Yes yeah we {D: used stick}
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  Stuck on this road too.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
853:  It was a real {NW} It was the only road we didn't have this back here. That this one back here hadn't been there many years.
Interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  But this was a came right out of Elms street across the bridge. You know the {X} come right straight on out this. It'll lead you right out here.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  And go right on out and now then you've been to into this Highway back here. {NW} And this is what they call of course the Ghana highway.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
853:  This was the old {X} Road
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah um say you have a sack of groceries and you didn't have your car so you had to pick them up and?
853:  Carry them.
Interviewer:  Okay um you might tell a child that stove is very hot so don't?
853:  Touch.
Interviewer:  Okay uh if you wanted something that was in in the other room on a table you might say to a child would you go in there and and get that knife or whatever it was and?
853:  Bring it to me.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh # {NS} If you were about to punish a child he might say to you oh please give me another?
853:  Chance.
Interviewer:  Okay uh somebody who's always got a smile on his face and a pleasant word for everybody you'd say he always seems to be in a
853:  Such a good mood.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  Or humor.
Interviewer:  Okay uh if the doorbell rang you'd say where's that pesky salesman wait until I do what with him?
853:  Get rid of him.
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} Uh you might say that old so and so didn't know what was going on but he really knew what was going on but he?
853:  Let on like he didn't.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  Pretended.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If a if a boy left his best pencil on his desk at school and he came back and it wasn't there you'd say I bet somebody?
853:  Stole my pencil.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  You always got somebody to lay on something onto you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah that's right um if you um if you sent somebody a letter you might say well it's about time I was getting that?
853:  Answer.
Interviewer:  Okay uh do you write many letters?
853:  Good many.
Interviewer:  Yeah do you like writing letters?
853:  I don't. I used to.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah yeah #
853:  #2 {NW} # But I write to my brothers. Two brothers.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  I'm the only one that ever had
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm
853:  But I write to them every week or two.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And then if I don't hear from them I call them.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Talk to them.
Interviewer:  You might say Just yesterday I what a letter?
853:  Wrote a letter.
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Wrote a letter.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh let's see in fact I have what three this week?
853:  Have what?
Interviewer:  I have something three this week I have Hmm three letters this week.
853:  {NS} Three Letters to write this week.
Interviewer:  Okay but I have what would be the next word three letters I have.
853:  Answered.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Or answered three letters this week.
Interviewer:  Alright
853:  I guess.
Interviewer:  Uh if you're writing a letter you you put the letter in and you turn the envelope over and then you what?
853:  Address it
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say I know he lives in Houston but I don't know his exact
853:  Box number
Interviewer:  Okay uh things that children play with you'd call?
853:  Toys.
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Toys.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh did you ever use the word play-pretty?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Is that the same thing as a toy?
853:  Right.
Interviewer:  Well a little truck a toy truck would that be a play pretty?
853:  Yeah go in yonder and get your play-pretties and bring them in here.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Anything that was in a box. Mine always put hers away.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  From the time she was big enough I'd say now put your play-pretties up and put them in the box and mother will put them in the closet.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 That's good # She did that.
853:  Go in yonder and get your play-pretties. {NS}
Interviewer:  You might say you can't drive through there the highway department's got their machines there and the roads are all.
853:  Blocked.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  Torn up.
Interviewer:  Okay and um if you gave somebody a bracelet but you were just sitting there looking at it you know might say well don't just look at it go ahead and?
853:  Put it on.
Interviewer:  Okay uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You might say every time those two boys got together they would
853:  Fighting.
Interviewer:  Okay and yesterday in fact they
853:  They what?
Interviewer:  In fact yesterday they
853:  Had a fight.
Interviewer:  Okay uh and you might say she took a big knife and she
853:  Hacked him. Hit him cut him stabbed him.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  All that. {NW}
853:  All that either one I guess will do
Interviewer:  Yeah say a teacher comes in and there's a funny picture on the blackboard she'd say okay who
853:  Drew that picture.
Interviewer:  Okay and if you were going to lift something like a piece of machinery up on a roof you'd take a a pulley blocks and a rope to
853:  Hoist it.
Interviewer:  Okay and let's see {NS} Okay would you count from one to twenty for me slowly.
853:  One to what
Interviewer:  Twenty
853:  One two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty
Interviewer:  Okay and the number
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  After twenty-nine is
853:  Thirty
Interviewer:  And the number after thirty-nine is
853:  Forty
Interviewer:  And after sixty-nine
853:  Seventy
Interviewer:  And after ninety-nine
853:  A hundred
Interviewer:  And ten times a hundred would be
853:  Thousand
Interviewer:  And ten times a hundred thousand is
853:  Ten thousand
Interviewer:  Okay more than that
853:  Twenty thousand
Interviewer:  Well past the thousands you have that man is so rich he's a
853:  Millionaire.
Interviewer:  Okay uh say you had a line of people and the last person was the eleventh person so the person in front of him would be the?
853:  Tenth.
Interviewer:  Okay and the one in front of him would be the
853:  Ninth.
Interviewer:  And in front of hims
853:  Eighth.
Interviewer:  And then in front of him
853:  Seventh.
Interviewer:  And then
853:  Sixth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Five.
Interviewer:  Uh no he'd be the sixth man and the next would be the
853:  Five
Interviewer:  The the what man
853:  Fifth.
Interviewer:  Okay and the next would be the
853:  Fourth.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh and then
853:  Third.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  Second.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  And one.
Interviewer:  Uh after the second would be the
853:  One.
Interviewer:  The you'd say
853:  First man.
Interviewer:  Okay #1 Uh #
853:  #2 You know #
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  Something
Interviewer:  {NW} And uh sometimes you feel like good luck comes just a little at a time but bad luck comes what?
853:  Ins- All in a A little bad luck Luck comes in Swarms or
Interviewer:  Okay or it comes all at
853:  One time
Interviewer:  Okay and uh name the months of the year for me #1 Any order #
853:  #2 Janu- # {NW} January February March April May June {NW} July August September October November December
Interviewer:  Okay and the days of the week
853:  Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday
Interviewer:  Okay and if you meet someone about eleven o'clock in the daytime you'd what would you say to them?
853:  Morning Good morning.
Interviewer:  Okay and after you stopped saying good morning what do you say?
853:  E- Afternoon
Interviewer:  Okay and how long does afternoon last?
853:  Until six P M.
Interviewer:  Okay and then after that what do you say?
853:  Evening.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh how would you greet somebody besides just hello that you could say any time of day?
853:  Well you you'd just say howdy.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Or hello Howdy do
Interviewer:  Okay um what would you say when you're saying goodbye when you leave somebody's house after dark?
853:  Well bye bye.
Interviewer:  Okay anything besides just goodbye?
853:  Well you could say well goodnight I'm going to say goodnight.
Interviewer:  Okay okay if you start to work before daylight you'd say we started to work before sun?
853:  Rise
Interviewer:  Okay and uh you might say uh we started before sunrise and we worked until after
853:  Dark.
Interviewer:  Okay or after sun
853:  {NW} Set.
Interviewer:  Okay uh and this morning when we got out to work the sun had already?
853:  Risen.
Interviewer:  Okay and and yesterday in fact uh it what about the same time
853:  Arose about Rose about the same time.
Interviewer:  Okay what day is it is this Thursday?
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay so today is Thursday then Wednesday was Thursday is today Wednesday was
853:  Yesterday
Interviewer:  And {NS}
Interviewer:  Okay it's not doing anything wrong this time
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um okay oh yeah let me do this just in case we missed it a second ago uh to- yes- um Thursday is today and so Wednesday was
853:  Yesterday.
Interviewer:  And Friday is
853:  Tomorrow.
Interviewer:  Okay um if somebody came to see you on a Sunday but it wasn't last Sunday but it was the Sunday before that you'd say he came to see me?
853:  Sunday's a week ago.
Interviewer:  Okay and if he's going to come see you but not next Sunday but the one after that you'd see he's coming to see me?
853:  Sunday after next.
Interviewer:  Okay um if somebody came and stayed here from about the first of the month to about the fifteenth of the month you'd say they stayed about a?
853:  Month and a half.
Interviewer:  Okay uh how would you ask somebody uh time?
853:  Would you give me the time please?
Interviewer:  Okay and somebody'd look at his?
853:  His watch.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh halfway between seven o'clock and eight o'clock you'd say it's half?
853:  Past.
Interviewer:  Okay and fifteen minutes later would be?
853:  Forty-five minutes. {X}
Interviewer:  It would be what now?
853:  Forty-five minutes until or after.
Interviewer:  Okay uh would you ever say a quarter?
853:  Quarter until eight or Quarter until whatever
Interviewer:  Uh and if nineteen seventy let's see nineteen seventy-six was last year then nineteen seventy-seven is.
853:  This year.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if a child had just had his third birthday you'd say he is.
853:  Three years old.
Interviewer:  Okay and if something happened on this day last year you'd have to say it happened exactly a
853:  a year ago.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might look up at the cloud at the sky and say I don't like the the looks of those black
853:  Clouds.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if you look up at the sky and there are no clouds around then you might say well I believe we're going to have a
853:  Clear day.
Interviewer:  Okay or if it's the opposite and a bunch of clouds you might say well I I bet it's going to be a
853:  Rainy day.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Or cloudy day.
Interviewer:  And uh say the clouds are getting thicker and thicker and you figure maybe it's going to rain you might say the weather is?
853:  Unsettled.
Interviewer:  Okay and say that uh it's been cloudy but the clouds are going away and the sun's coming out you'd say the weather is?
853:  Going to be nice.
Interviewer:  Okay um
853:  Clear. Nice and clear.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Um say you had a big rainstorm and there was a lot of lightning and stuff with it what kind of a storm would you call that?
853:  A electrical storm.
Interviewer:  Okay uh let's see say you uh hung some clothes up on the line and you come out and they're all over the ground you'd say well the wind must have?
853:  Come up.
Interviewer:  Okay and do what?
853:  Blew them.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh you might say well the wind was pretty bad last night but it has what before even harder?
853:  Calmed down.
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  No.
Interviewer:  But before in other years it has what even worse?
853:  Blown worse than that.
Interviewer:  Okay and if the wind is coming from that direction?
853:  West.
Interviewer:  I blew it that direction
853:  South.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You say it's coming you say the wind is what if it's?
853:  Coming from the south.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh a wind halfway between the south and the west you call uh?
853:  Southwest.
Interviewer:  Okay and halfway between the south and the east?
853:  Southeast.
Interviewer:  Okay and halfway between the east and the north?
853:  Northeast.
Interviewer:  And between the west and the north?
853:  Northwest.
Interviewer:  Okay and if you go outside and it's raining but just barely just barely raining you'd say it's?
853:  Sprinkling.
Interviewer:  Okay and it's raining a little harder that's a?
853:  Little shower.
Interviewer:  Okay and harder than that?
853:  Raining right down.
Interviewer:  Okay and even harder than that real hard?
853:  Just a downpour.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh if you go out in the morning excuse me and there's this heavy white mist and you can hardly see across the street you'd say?
853:  Foggy.
Interviewer:  Okay and what do you call that stuff that makes it foggy you say here comes the
853:  Fog.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And uh if it hadn't rained for weeks and weeks
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You're having a
853:  Dry spell.
Interviewer:  Okay and if it
853:  Drought. {NW}
Interviewer:  What's the difference between a drought and a dry spell?
853:  Nothing.
Interviewer:  Uh if the wind has been very gentle but it's gradually getting stronger and stronger and stronger you'd say the wind is?
853:  Getting up.
Interviewer:  Okay and if it's just the opposite and the wind has been strong and it's gradually getting weaker and weaker and weaker you'd say the wind is?
853:  Kind of laying.
Interviewer:  Okay uh {NS} Last night if it was just cold enough to kill the tomatoes and the flowers you'd say we had a
853:  Frost.
Interviewer:  I wish
853:  A what?
Interviewer:  I wish.
853:  Yes I do too. {NW} I like winter.
Interviewer:  Yeah I do too. #1 I wish we had #
853:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  More of it I don't think I want quite as much as we had last winter but
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Last winter was a bit much.
853:  It was pretty bad.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Steady constant I mean.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm yeah it was I didn't take all my plants in from outside wasn't supposed to freeze but it did and it killed my plants.
853:  I'm telling you. {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You might say last night it was so cold the lake did what?
853:  Froze over.
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Speaking of rooms and their height you'd say this room is about eight what?
853:  Feet.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Uh-huh eight feet high {NS} {C: audio ends}