Charles XXX Upper Cayon Interview 17 July, 2002 Transcription: 28/12/2002; Lee XXX: (P: prompter) Charles XXX (R: respondent) Unidentified neighbor (S: secondary informant) Carlton Richards (S2) G(A): Grunt, affirmation G(N): Grunt, negation G(Q): Grunt, question, (Is that right?(; (You don(t say( G(V) Grunt, seeking verification. (Say what?( U(C): Utterance, cough U(F): Utterance, false start U(H): Utterance, hesitation U(I): Utterance, interruption U(L): Utterance, laughter U(M) Utterance muffled, inaudible. U(S) Utterance of surprise U(U) Unintelligible utterance ( ) Deleted phoneme, word, or phrase R: Upper Cayon P: All right. R: It(s St. Mary(s parish, P: G(A). R: And St, Kitts. P: And what(s your name? R: My name is Charles XXX. P: OK. And how old are you? R: I(m forty-five. P: All right. And where were you born? R: Right here on Cayon. P: All right. What is your occupation. R: I(m a heavy equipment, diesel mechanic. P: OK. R: Operator. I been to Miami Dawson Skill Center, where I did a course there in mechanics. Then I went on to Wyoming. I work down there on two farms. P: G(A). R: Working operator, heavy equipments, farm. P: How long were you in Wyoming? R: About two years. P: G(A). R: I been on the XXX(s farm. They grow soy beans and corn and thing like that. P: G(A). Where was that In Wyoming? R: Yes. P: Where in Wyoming? R: A county they call Unita. P: What(s the city around there? The town? What part of Wyoming?. R: To tell you the truth, twice I went to the city. P: G(A). R: I did it two years because every two weeks, I worked on the farm, stayed on the farm, and what not. P: I see. R: I didn(t have a chance to get to move around that much. P: Did you spend much other time away from the island, away from St. Kitts? R: Yes. I been out of here. Well, in fact, I just got back here September 8. P: G(A). R: Right? Move your bag from away the drain [signaling briefcase near wet drain]. P: G(A). OK. R: I just back here September 8, out there for ten years and eight months. P: You(ve been away for ten years? R: Eight months. P: G(A). R: In between Tampa, Miami, and the Virgin Islands, U. S. Virgin Islands. P: OK. How about your schooling here in Cayon. R: It(s good. We have a primary. We have a few Head-Starts and kindergarten, privately and owned by government. P: G(A). R: And we have a big primary school and we have a big high school over at Don(s Cottage down there, hold about a thousand plus children. P: How far did you go in school? R: I went to what we call Form Four at that time, and it would be equivalent to what we know in grade in the United States, say eleven grade. P: OK. How about your parents? Where was your mother born? R: My mother from Nevis and my father from Cayon. P: Where was your mother born. R: My mother is a Nevisian. We were just talking about that.. P: G(A). R: And my father is from Cayon here. P: G(A). R: Most of us you will find half a family from one place and the other. P: And where was your mother from? R: Nevis. P: Oh, in Nevis, Where in Nevis? R: Butlers P: G(A). And her whole family was from Nevis, your grandparents, your mother(s, maternal grandparents. R: Yeah. Her people from Nevis. My father people from Cayon. P: G(A). And your paternal grandparents are from. R: From father side or mother side? P: On your father(s side. R: Father side, well, from what I was told, my grandfather have a Bajian background. P: G(A). R: He came here at the time when the colonialists had the sugar canes and what not. He came he working at U(M) from what I were told. Again, I wasn(t in existence. P: G(A). R: Some man they had working down there, he was from Barbados. P: G(A). R: And he brought him in to work with him. P: G(A). R: And then he met my grandmother and they all get together. P: G(A). R: That(s how we start. P: What other kind, what kind of work do most of the people do in Cayon? R: Well, we changing right now from what we call a monoculture, which is in cane, and we more going in for a developing infrastructure for tourists and, I guess, to industry. P: G(A). R: So you find most of the guys, the young people, I mean, into mason, carpentry, right? And they got some good farmers around here too. P: G(A). R: Because you notice the area is quite hilly and nice. P: Right. And is there an estate, an old estate. R: Yes. They have right where we stand here surrounding us, four estate. P: G(A). R: Green Hill Estate, Cunningham Estate, Brighton Estate, Hermitage Estate. P: G(A). OK. And all of these were U(I). R: Cane producing. P: Cane producing. And how much of the cane, just the growing and harvesting is done here, right? R: Ha. Well, I must tell you, one time before our late leader, Robert Lywellen Bradshaw, nationalize the cane land, it was individually, owned. P: G(A). By these families. R: These families, but then because of the dislike of our government, a parcel, start to manipulate production. And the leader realize that so he took it over. P: G(A). R: And nationalize it. P: I see, R: And we went about from about sixteen thousands, twenty thousand tons per year. P: G(A). R: I think one time they hit forty-five. P: G(A). S: In me days, we hit fifty, fifty-two thousand. R: Fifty thousand. S: Yeah, yeah. R: OK. But I(m talking about when Bradshaw take it over. S: Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, that time I was in England. R: OK, and he put it back up. P: G(A). R: To where he used to talk about. P: Yeah. R: He caused some controversy because some of the land he took were private lands. P: Yeah. G(A). Yeah R: Now it(s back down. And I glad you mention U(M). As a professor, could you tell me how much by-products come from sugar or can itself? P: Well, I imagine countless. R: And would you say every one of them is in high demand for every day domestic consumption? P: Well, I wouldn(t know. I(m not, you know, a nutritionist. I couldn(t say that. Or a chemist. But tell em about it though. Tell me about it. I(d like to hear it. R: From the cane. P: Yeah. R: You get molasses. P: G(A). R: You get sugar. P: G(A). R: The husks of the cane as you see out there, they make a board, they call, a decorative board. P: Do they have a name for that. R: I forget the name they call the board, mon. P: G(A). R: But they take the cane, husks. P: Yeah. R: Magasse, they call it. P: Yeah. R: And they mix it with something and they a sheet of plywood and. P: G(A). R: They use it for decorating, something like that. P: Yeah, a composition board. R: Plus from the molasses, you get alcohol; you get rum. P: G(A). R: And all these things I(m talking about is in high demand every day. P: G(A). R: But these people are telling us there ain(t no money in cane. P: G(A). R: There(s no money in sugar. We have an industry here: they produce cane, I mean, sugar, they produce molasses, but they could never tell the community how much gallons of molasses they sell. P: G(A). R: Every year. But then they telling you every year they ain(t making no money from the sugar. P: G(A). R: Well, what about these innovative U(H). P: Sure. R: By-products. You could start with something and make money. You see in these areas around here, the education standard is high. P: G(A). R: But then to certain people even though you are educated, we been educated in the educational system to serve, to work for the system. We(re not like the Arabs and them around there, who are taught to be independent for themself. It(s a different trend. Around here we been taught to work for the system. P: G(A). R: And because of that you find.that the unemployment it(s very high. You(ll find the poverty level is very high. P: Yeah. R: Because some of our guys who go out and go to your college and come back and believe they have a master degree or whatever degree, they feel they are more than the common man. P: G(A). R: And to me, the common man is more better than them. P: G(A). R: Because he know what life is about. He know how to coattail his living standard to his income. P: Right. R: But these guys who go to college and come back. P: U(L). R: Figure because they went to college get big money. P: Yeah. U(L). R: Big money. And some of them end up exploiting their own to get the big money. P: G(A). Absolutely, I(m sure. R: I want to tell you, you tell a student that in a university. P: OK. R: Just what happen in Lebanon and Israel will happen around here soon. P: OK. R: Because people is getting angry. P: Yeah. R: Disturbed. P: What about, OK, talk to me a little more about that. That(s interesting. R: In life, everything have a season. P: G(A). R: A time to born, a time to die. P: G(A). R: But you are experiencing it today. P: G(A). R: The way the big corporation in America. P: G(A). R: They figure that the government must protect them because they provide work, they provide jobs, and the make money and contribute to certain aspirants or something like that. P: Yeah. R: While the common man is getting the squeeze. P: G(A). R: While nobody seems to be looking out and putting these people to justice. P: G(A). R: Well, it(s something I like about justice. Some people feel after they reach a certain way in life they are above the law. The law cannot touch him. P: G(A). R: But Mr. Justice don(t stop nowhere for nobody. P: G (A). U(L). R: So if the law cannot touch him, he got a man out there like Ben Laden or one of them will come and hit them real hard and make them what it is P: G(A). R: And that(s what(s changing in the world today. Is no more. You can(t hold a man. You could remember when we was slaves. The master used to hold a whip to keep us in line. P: Sure. R: Now you give us freedom. What are going going to keep us in line with? Your heavy penalty tax and high cost of living? P: OK. R: Somebody going to get angry and mad. P: To what extent to you think that Bradshaw helped improve things? R: A lots of ways. I wish he was here. P: Talk about that a little bit, will you. R: He himself didn(t finish school. He went to work at the sugar factory as an apprentice in the machine shop. P: G(A). R: And he got hurt one day, and when he were looking for a good compensation, it was a lot of hypocrisy. P: G(A). R: Because of that, that motivate him to join the Sincle Sable Union. R: It was running at that time by a man from what I heard, or read, XXX, from Sandy Point. P: G(A). R: And he work his way into the union, and he work his way right up until he become second in command, And then when he reached the part he established the Labor Party. P: G(A). R: And when he doing that, establishing the Labor Party and being second in command of the union, eventually he get to be the head. P: G(A). R: And in that U(I). P: What year was that about, when he really became the leader? R: About nineteen, say, fifty-nine, fifty-eight. P: So he was in command. R: No, not in command of the government at the time. P: No, I didn(t mean the government. R: Of the union. P: Of the union for twenty years. R: Yeah. For more than that, more than that.. P: Is that right. S: Before that. R: It was before that? Before fifty-eight. S: U(M) bosses, forties.. R: Remember in the late forties, forty-five was Second World War, G(Q)? S: Yeah. R: I think my father told me. P: Right after the war. G(Q)?. S: It would be the forty-eight strike, he was the leader of the union. R: OK, forty-eight strike. P: Did he call R: The World War forty-five forty-six. S: Yes. R: OK, well right in that region only. Well, whatever he did today. Right now we have independence. And we, like I tell you, we changing from a monoculture to an infrastructure. Our labor department do not have a format of by laws. P: G(A). R: To work from. It(s just the laws that he, Bradshaw, set up after. P: G(A). R: You must remember we was in slavery. From slavery to statehood, from statehood to independence. P: G(A). R: There was no flowerbed of rose between there. P: G(A). R: There was no flow of money or development of our infrastructure. P: G(N). R: And he fought to statehood, He didn(t take us into independence. P: G(A). Yeah, OK. He died, didn(t he? R: He died. P: Yeah, in seventy-eight? R: We had a leader who took us into independence. They us went into independence prematurely because they didn(t have the constitution or format or what on the agenda. They just wanted independence so that they could control the island. P: G(A). R: And look what they done to us today. P: G(A). R: They(re talking about free movements of all the Caribbean states. P: G(A). R: I look at it as a hypocrisy. P: G(A). R: To please of the monopoly players. P: G(A). Right. U(L). That(s the way it always is. R: That(s what it is. P: Sure. R: And I think America itself should really look into it because most of these countries( leaders are corrupt. P: G(A). R: And what I have experienced is that it(s not a even playing field. P: G(A). R: A tin of milk here in St. Kitts, it costs a dollar something. P: G(A). R: In Guiana, I think. It(s fifteen dollars for the same thing. P: Is that right? R: In Trinidad a pound of goat meat is eighteen dollars. Here, it(s six, six-fifty. P: G(A). R: They using, excuse me, their own money. P: G(A). R: It doesn(t have a value. P: G(A). R: We are using Eastern Caribbean currency. It have a value, P: G(A). R: In such a way U(F) a US dollar in Guinea, I think, the last time I heard, is seventy-nine Guinea dollars. Here, one US dollar is two seventy. P: Right, R So now they talking about free movement. P: G(A). R: And you find most of these people, Guinea, Jamaica, Trinidad, Antigua, the economy is dying. P: G(A). R: Because of the corruption of their leaders. P: G(A). Right, R: They into drug smuggling because their closer to the South American peninsula than we. P: Yeah. Yeah. R: And our government here is saying they(re going into free movement with them. P: G(A). R: For what? P: What does free movement mean? Would you explain that to me? R: Free movement is that every Caribbean OECS country, Organization of Eastern Caribbean States countries--Antigua, St. Lucie, Dominique, Grenada, and them places(-could move to these islands freely without visa, without authorization to say you got to get a permit to come. P: G(A). R: Right? P: Right, R: It could happen, but what they are including into , implementing into it now, is you come and just work, just so. P: G(A). R: Before you had to get a work permit. You couldn(t just come in and work so. P: G(A), R: You find it going to bring a hardship around here on the people. P: The free movement would be a hardship because it would bring in cheap labor, you think? R: Well, I don(t see it really as bringing in cheaper labor because when you look at it. I have experienced it. Like I tell you I been out in the States and exposed to work.. P: Sure. R: And I come back here and I work over there at the Scotia operation excavator. I make twenty EC dollars an hour. And down at Posante, from what I understand, they hired a Bajan and they(re paying the Bajan forty US. You understand? P: G(A). R: For instance, you are not from here, and you come here and you give me a job, you are going to try to comply with the rate of pay here. P: G(A). Yeah. R: But when you interview someone and he tell you he from Guinea, Jamaica. P: G(A). R: Right there you done say it(s a bigger country than here, oh, this guy make ore than we here, so you pay more. P: G(A). R: A lot of us think they(re coming and working for less. That(s a lie. P: G(A). R: They(re coming to take the bread from us and they(re shipping it out. P: G(A). R: God Bless America, but is when Reagan was in power, the treasury happened to realize, just before Reagan come in, they make so many, they print so many billions of dollars, when they go and check the treasury and the circulation in the bank for that money, it was nowhere to be found. And that(s when Reagan decide he(d declare war on drugs because he figure the drug cartel was smuggling out the money. P: G(A). R: Well, it(s a different way here now. P: G(A). R: Here, we have Santo Domingans, we have Guinanese, Trinidad, man, you name it. P: G(A). R: And they all come here and getting work. P: G(A). R: And where the money going? Back. P: Back there. R: To their country. P: G(A). R: Give us fifteen years. When you come here, you(ll be moving like you(re moving in Haiti. P: That(s what we have in America now with the Mexicans coming in in huge numbers and taking the money out and sending it back to Mexico. R: I don(t figure that the Mexican would because remember they are American family. They(re Indians. I was just telling Quantrell and them Alamo people who run them over to America. P: Yeah. Oh, absolutely, ethnically they(re U(I). R: Quantrell Raiders and the Alamo. P: I have no question about the legitimacy of them, but what I am saying is that they go back. We have very, very loose immigration laws and they just come flooding across the border, but the jobs they take in America are jobs that Americans don(t want. R: It(s not that Americans don(t want them. Americans want the jobs, but the conditions. Could you imagine you in America, equal opportunity for all. And they have these work laws, these labor laws. A man take you and put you on a farm from sun up to sundown, only one break you could get. P: G(A). R: That doesn(t sound like America. P: G(A). R: So a person who born in America, who know his right, is not going to take that job, P: G(AS). R: Because he know his right, so that(s why they glad to bring in the Mexicans. P: G(A). R: To do the work. What America is doing are the policy or the system is encouraging them to do slavery. P: G(A). Yeah. R: And going around and encouraging other people in different countries. Now if America straighten out that and tell them, hey, if these people entitled for this, that, regardless of whatever you may be making on your farm, you supposed to know whether you are helping. You hire or can(t hire or pay someone the right wages. Don(t put on any more than you can handle. P: Yeah. R: For your family. You understand? P: Sure. R: These are the kind of law, you check it out. These guys, a farmer would be telling you today. He reap his crop. P: G(A). R: And he lost money. But next week you hear Al Gore or Bush, campaigning in the area, he going give him fifteen hundred dollars. P: G(A). R: Did he lose money? P: No. R: No, he looking favors. P: G(A). R: And I wouldn(t, and if I reached a position where I could run for office, I wouldn(t take these guys( money. P: G(A). R: Or I take the money and make it evidence case against them. P: G(A). R: You understand? P: Yeah. R: This is what I tell you. Right now, you hear; you may not like it, but the Talaban, Al Quida, these guys ain(t stupid guys. These guys are religiously in tact with God and his covenant. P: G(A). R: I read in the Bible it said one morning you going to wake up, the first would be last, the last would be first. P: G(A). R: Th wrong would be right. This is the war; this is the Jihad war. P: G(A). R: America and them, with intelligence, all the university they have, they still going the wrong way. P: G(A). R: Israel could never be right where Israel is. P: G(A). So what is your suggestion for a solution? R: The solution is let(s do the right thing. P: What does that mean? R: Be fair. Stop, look, and U(I). P: When has that ever been done in the history of the world? R: Well. P: In the whole history of the world. When has any powerful country been fair? When was England ever fair? R: England? P: Yeah. R: You must realize you acknowledge England as a country, a massive power. P: G(A). It was in the seventeenth century, eighteenth century.. R: But it wads off of the backs of people. P: Sure. R: And not the native English. P: Sure. Sure it was, but so was Rome. So was Rome. So was Greece. R: But this is what I am trying to show you. P: G(A). R: But this a is a trend, and all of them fall. P: Right. R: All of them have to pay the consequences. P: All right. R: Well, now somebody have to start up and draw line in the sand. P: OK. R: And say, hey, this is it. P: G(A). R: I have seen Rome fall. This was the practice. I have seen England fall. This was the practice, so I stop it. P: Sure. R: Listen, if America falls today, the whole world is in chaos. P: G(A). R: And if a America continue to be evil, they going to fall. P: G(A). You think so. R: It(s true. P: Tell me more about that. I like to hear it. I(m interested in hearing that. R: It(s true. When you look at it you see, when most of them big producing companies in America. P: G(A). R: When they reach a certain age in their business, they choose to close their factory and move to another place for cheaper labor. P: G(A). R: But then still, in the US Treasury, and on the stock market they(re still trading for big dollars. and telling people they(re competitive to the American market. P: G(A). R: How could you be? P: G(A). R: When you taking the jobs and carry them somewhere else. P:G(A). OK, R: You catch where I(m coming from. P: Absolutely. R: How could you be when America collect me and you dollars we work for.and giving them tax breaks. P: OK. R: When they(re living a all U(M) life. P: Absolutely. You(re absolutely right, but what could be done on St. Kitts Do you blame America for St. Kitts( problems? R: Some of it. P: Some of it. Tell me about that. R: Some of it. For instance, the drug trade. P: G(A). R: Everybody come out and declare war on the drug. P: G(A)(. R: St. Kitts also, so they say. P: G(A). R: But when you check it out, the demand is there. P: G(A). R: How in the hell you going to tell a man today like me, I don(t have no money in me pocket. P: G(A). R: I don(t have a job, and I see some bush up there, and I know I can dry them off and sell them. P: U(L). Right. R: You understand? P: Absolutely. Free enterprise. R: And I mustn(t do it? Come on. P: G(A). R: What you need to do. You know, it would be good and it would be bad. P: G(A). R: That(s why our government there going to protect us. P: G(A). R: Not just certain kind of people. P: G(A). R: When a man choose to be a leader or to be in government, you got to work both sides of the bed. P: G(A). R: And when you doing that, how could you exploit one set of people who is below the table? P: Yeah. R: To benefit a certain social class and their behavior is still the same. P: I agree with everything you say, but I ask U(I). R: You want a solution. P: No, I don(t want a solution. I don(t think anybody has a solution, I say this has been the history of mankind since the beginning of time. R: So we have to stop. P: G(A). R: This rasta guy was just talking to me about the beginning of sin. P: G(A). R: Right? P: What(s that. R: The beginning of sin. P: Yeah. R: So, yes, we begin with a woman. P: U(L). R: Right? P: U(L). OK. R: And that(s why you find so many churches today, you go into them, there is so many woman. P: G(A). R: Because there is a guilt. P: G(A). R: Could you imagine Mary was a virgin but she quoting, and Joseph she get pregnant with the Holy Ghost, come on. That(s double standard. P: U(L). R: You catch where I(m coming from? P: Sure. R: The kind of thing they(re teaching us, and want us to hold on to the hymn, and we can(t. P: G(A). R: Because the moral values as you tell us about. P: Sure. What(s your religion. I didn(t ask you. R: I(m a Nowherian. P: Tell me about that. R: My mother and father, when I was a little boy, born in this world and couldn(t walk but to the church. They carry me to the U(M) and they baptize me without my consent, without I knowing what the religion is. And now that I(m a big man and I know what it is, I(m a Nowherian. I rather not go there. P: G(A). And so what do you do. R: I just watch the trees, the fire, the wind, and everything that I know God create, and I just say Hey, thank God for life. P: How do you spell that faith you(re speaking of. S: Nowherian R: N-O-R-A-Y-N 250 P:OK. R: It aint belongs to nowhere. P: I see Nowherian U(L),. R: U(L). P: That(s great. U(L). R: U(L). P: OK, that(s good. R: No denomination. P: OK. I got you. R: Nowherian. P: That(s terrific. R: You got that? P: Yeah, that(s excellent, but what about what has been, it sounds to me, as St. Kitts is concerned that the problems that they haven(t continued to make progress after Bradshaw(s disappearance. R: No. They just sit back. P: What do you think about these people, the leadership, the Labor leadership? R: It(s weak, very weak. P: G(A). R: Little boys. They don(t have a standard, they cannot be formed. For instance, I been working here, I tell you, with some Canadians. P: G(A). R: These Canadians say they are Canadians, but I don(t get find out Italianos, second generation Italians. P: G(A). R: Whose Daddy and Granddaddy organize crime. P: Oh, Mafia. U(L). R: Mafia money, they(re turning over here in the hotel in Frigate Bay. P: Is that right. R: That(s what they(re doing; they(re taking the blood money and making it good. P: I see. R: And these people like the one in St. Kitts now. P: Is that right? R: I work with the seven weeks, never see a time card. P: G(A). R: Never see a time clock. And every week, I keep a little book, put down what time I start and what time I finish. And when I get my check, I mean, paycheck, half of it, five six hours gone. P: G(A). R: I go to the Labor Department to find out what is my right. P: G(A). P: They call and talk to the people; the people send me home. P: Is that right? R: You understand? P: Yeah. R: And these are people coming inside here, and lots of time you couldn(t U(I). P: Laundering money, is that what they(re doing? R: That(s what it must be. P: Yeah. R: These guys who here building the hotel, these are second, third generation Mafia, organized crime. P: What hotel? Not the Four Seasons. R: Not the Four Seasons, what they call it? S: Merriott. R: Merriott. P: Merriott. R: Yes. P: Is that here on St. Kitts? R: Yes, right there on Frigate Bay. P: G(A). R: I checked them out, and it is one name make a bell ring. P: U(L). R: You might heard about it with the Louisiana governor thing, Samuel Cherley. P: OK. U(L). R: OK, well, I live there so I know. P: G(A). R: When I hear that, I say, shit, he the one the had indicted with the Louisiana governor. P: Yeah. R: When they say they both gambling. P: Yeah, yeah. R: That(s him. P: Yeah, the governor of Louisiana. R: You remember that? P: Sure. Sure. The governor had a very Anglo-Saxon name. I can(t remember it now, but he didn(t have an Italian name. R: He didn(t have Italian name, sound more like French. P: Right. R: I forget the name too. It sound like a gangster. P: U(L). R: U(L). P: He probably was. R: But these other guys are coming out here now. P: But what could the Labor government do? R: What the Labor government need to do is to stand is to stand firm. P: G(A). R: Rally around the masses of the people of the country who put you in office. P: G(A). R: Forget about this Free Movement and this and that. P: Yeah. R: When you check it out, strategically, St. Kitts is the closest to the market money. P: G:A. R: We are the closest to St. Maartin. P: G(A). R: St. Maartin divided in two, the Dutch and the French. P: Yeah. R: Sooner or later, they will be using Euros. P: G(A). R: We are the closest to the Virgin Islands. P: G(A). R: British and US. P: G(A). R: They use the US dollars. P: G(A). Yeah, R: So if St. Kitts leaders smart enough to know, they could get some of that money in one or two years, and forget about the rest. P: Yeah. G(A). R: Not to be selfish. P: G(A). R: To buy in volumes. You could buy. P: Yeah. R: Hospital, pharmaceutical products. P: Yeah. R: We could buy together. P: Yeah. R: And then there still would be a problem because some(I was listen to the radio the other day( Antigua drop problem, all the vendors for medical supplies. P: OK. R: So, if I going buy Trinidad, Jamaica, I tell you, when I go to put up me money, they going to put up their money too because they got bad credit card then. They didn(t laugh at cash. P: OK. R: Just look for yourself, look for your people. P: OK. What can be done in St. Kitts to elevate the standard of living. You know, I mean, the people in general, living in these villages. R: See these guys here. P: Yeah. R: These are young, young guys. P: G(A). R: Got good education. P: G(A). R: Some of them may not have no skills. P: G(A). R: What the government need to do is set up certain incentive to encourage them when they leave school. P: G(A). R: If you come to college, you sure about a job. You took up literature, we going to find you a job. P: G(A). R: Not send them to college and then they have to go look for a job. P: G(A). R: That would raise the standard of living. P: G(A). R: And give the young people who U)I). P: What kinds of jobs, for example? R: Like I tell you. P: OK. R: We are changing from a monoculture, from cane. P: Yeah. R: Masonry, carpentry, heavy equipment, operation. P: G(A). R: Hey. P: But I guess the cane production almost does encourage a kind of almost slave-like culture, doesn(t it? R: It doesn(t encourage a slave culture because we knows nothing about it. P: G(A). R: When I say, (How, you doing, morning, morning, morning [speaking to a child]. Good morning.( P: Slave(s the wrong word, dependence, like a company town. R: You(re right. When the investors come in here, and they see cane. They think about slave. P: G(A) . R: They figure we illiterate. P: G(A). Yeah. R: And we still slave. P: G(A). R: But we who grow up around here, we know we are not, and most of us, ninety-nine point nine percent of us are more intelligent than our parents. P: OK, well, sure.. R: So how you going keep us in that spot? P: Yeah, U(G). R: You causing chaos. P: G(A). R: Will cause chaos, you understand?. P: Yeah. R: So, hey, what we leaders need to do to make St. Kitts better off is to wake up and smell the coffee and tell us there. P: Yeah. R: Is the masses of this country put me in, and the masses of the U(M). P: G(A). R: Stop look for those that don(t work for you. P: G(A). R:: I tell the truth, the next election round here U(M) [aside to passerby]. I don(t see bloodshed. I don( see bloodshed. [giving directions to passerby] P: G(A). S: She come up looking for you. R: Nobody home. Who? I aint going bother me ask. P: You really don(t see any difference between the two parties right now with the Labor party and the U(I). R: Mister, P: And the Progressive. R: Mister. P: Yeah. R: Labor may be slow, but the PAM Party is what we call the Mafia, racketeering party. P: Is that right. What is that part what does PAM mean? R: The People(s Action Movement. That was started by a gangster named Billy XXX. He diasppear. P: U(L). R: OK? P: OK. U(L). R: I going to show you what they do to us. P: OK. Tell me about it.. R: It used to be St. Kitts, Nevis, and Anguilla. P: Yeah. Remember. I remember. Three starts on the flag. R: I was born in nineteen fifty-six. All of the statehood states of St. Kitts, Nevis, and Anguilla. P: G(A). R: In nineteen sixty-seven, because of greed and hungry for power. P: G(A). R: The same party put Nevisians to hate us. Kittians, I mean, Anguillans to hate us. P: G(A). R: Why? They say Bradshaw keep everything for the Kittians. But if you look at it, now that I come a big man and I could read. And could understand and think for myself.. P: G(A). R: I realize what they done. P: G(A). R: If we statehood dependent to the British core, and St. Kitts had forty-five thousand people, Nevis have fifteen, Anguilla have eight. P: G(A). R: And the British government send five garbage truck down here. You expect St. Kitts to send in new garbage truck to a country that is smaller and have less population. P: Yeah. R: You expect the man to keep them here and send the old one over there. P: OK. R: It(s like I have a son. I get a brand new car and I have an old one. I have five kids; my son have two. He just married; he just started. P: G(A). R: You expect me to give me son the brand new car? No. P: OK. R: I going to keep the brand new car I have five kids; I have more things to do. I(m give him the old one. P: G(A). R: So with that, they take it and make a political ploy and tell the people they don(t like this and that so the people end up hating us. P: That(s a very good analogy because when I was in Nevis three years ago and they had a vote when I was here. P: G(A). P: They had a vote when I was here. They had a vote about independence. It was very close, but they didn(t vote to secede or to separate. R: G(A). P: But they said the same thing you are saying. But they thought when money comes, when money(s given to the islands, St. Kitts gets so much more. R: So much more, why. P: It(s bigger. R: Is it mentality the scope that these people put them? P: U(L). R: No. You can have a bigger house, more maintenance. P: Yeah. R: You catch where I(m coming from? P: Sure, I do. R: OK, now I come back to the Sub and Rights. XXX and Billy XXX get in with the Anguillans. P: He was a gangster, G(Q)? R: To come in here. Yeah, they brought in Anquillans here on a boat they call Wars Break to overthrow Bradshaw. P: G(A). R: But whatever happen, Bradshaw must get a hint, they pepper they ass, kill mostly two of them. P: G(A). Is that right? R: And they went back to Anguilla. P: G(A). R: Well, they break away because they saying Bradshaw was in power. P: G(A). R: He had nothing to do with the administration along there. P: G(A). R: When Simmons get into power, say, when it was. Eighty-one? S: Eighty-one. R: He went and he signed Anguilla to go. P: G(A). R: He just signed. He didn(t make no stipulation argument, hey, people who were born. P: G(A). R: At the time that the British had it. Still have rights for them P: G(A). R: He just signed for them to go. P: G(A). R: So today. I go to Anguilla. I could get deported. I have to get work permit. P: G(A). R: Anguillan who born the same year with me could come here start to work and get U(I). P: Is that right. R: Right away. P: G(A). The Anguillans can come in here, but you can(t go to Anguilla. R: You understand? P: Yes. R: Because my leader for it. P: Yeah. R: He sign away my sovereign rights. He aint satisfied with that.Look what he going do now. P: Who did that? R: Simmons. P: Simmons. OK. R: When he were in power, showing off, instead of organizing the OECS. P: G(A). R: The Organization of Eastern Caribbean States, they signed a Treaty of Basseterre. P: G(A). R: And the Treaty of Basseterre had in the same free movement thing and U(I).. P: Yeah. What year was that? S: About eighty-three. R: They just celebrate thirty years of it, no sir? S: That was eighty-two then. P: I see. Eighty-two, eighty-three. R: Yeah P: What(s Anguilla like? What(s the culture like there? R: The culture is similar to ours. P: G(A). R: The island is, I must say, a tourist paradise. P: G(A). R: Because it have, it(s thirty-five square miles, but it have twenty-one beaches. P: All white sand. R: White sand beaches. P: G(A). Yeah. R: They(re not big. The biggest may be about from here to down to the church where you were.. P: Yeah, yeah, yeah. R: But they(re nice small little beaches and white sandy beach. P: I see. R: Right? P: What about the people? The socio-economics of it. R: They well off because, when I say they(re well off P: G(A). R: A Kittian leave school here, he wants a car and a job. An Anguillan leaves school, we want a boat and a house. P: U(L). That(s the difference, G(Q)? R: That(s the difference i the culture. P: The reason I ask and this is just my personal observation, but it struck me that Nevis was different from St. Kitts in that there were a lot more poor people and more rich people, but less middle class. Is that correct or incorrect? Or is that just a wrong observation? R: I wouldn(t say it(s a wrong observation, but you must look at it this way. Nevis just start to develop. P: G(A). R: So the people who you see in the field, they might be poor. P: G(A). R: They have land P:: I see. R: They something between Anguillians and Nevisians. P: G(A). R: When a Nevisian want a piece of land, he goes to his grandfather or grandmother. P: G(A). R: When an Anguillan likewise. He goes to his grandfather or grandmother. P: G(A). R: When a Kittitian want a piece of land, he go going to the politician and tell him he need a safe U(M). P: Oh, because the state owns it all. R: You understand? It(s different. P: They have a different government on Nevis?. I mean does Nevis have U(I). R: Yeah, Nevis have their own municipal. They call it .minister government. P: So Bradshaw had nothing to do with Nevis. R: Well, yes, he did. P: G(A). R: It(s from PAM getting in, they agreed to give Nevis the municipal government. P: What(s the other pronunciation of Nevis? R:: Nevis . U(L). P: Yes. When I was over there I said who says Nevis ? And he said people who don(t like us say Nevis like Bradshaw. R: Bradshaw used to call it that. U(L). But N-E-V-I-S. P: Sure, why not? R: I simplify the ticket. If you listen to his speech. A lot of guy who went to college don(t phrase or pronounce the word like he did. P: Sure. I got you. R: You understand? P: Yeah, it(s really a shame. R: You how they call St. kitts.( P: G(A). R:And I(m saying a Montserratian born in Montserrat, a Nevisian born in Nevis. P: G(A). R: How the hell do you get someone born in St. Kitts and be a Kittitian. P: U(L) R: I don(t get the equation. It don(t work. You born in St. Kitts you a Sinker. P: U(L). A Sinker? R: Yeah, that(s what we do with each other. We sink one another. P: You call them Sinkers? R: Sinkers. P: A Sinker is a St. Kitts, instead of a Kittian, G(Q). R: Instead of Kittian. You see equation U(I). P: Yeah, I see what you mean. R: You see? P: Yes. Absolutely. R: A Chinaman is from China. P: Chinese. R: A Syrian from Syria. P: G(A). R: How the hell you going be from St. Kitts. P: But I(m from the United States, and they don(t call me a United Stateser. R: You(re an American; your from America. P: Yeah, but everybody in this hemisphere is an American. You(re an American; this is all America., half the world. R: This is what we call the lesser part of the Americas. P: OK. The Lesser Antilles. R: The Caribbean Sea, the Lesser Antilles. P: Yeah. R: Latin America. The Lesser Americas. P: G(A). R: I think it(s somewhere about the global market too. P: Do you see any progress likely or possible with this coming election? R: No. I(m afraid at the rate they going they going put PAM back in. P: G(A). R: And if PAM get in, we get fucked, excuse the language. P: Not at all. Go ahead. Tell me about it. R: We going get fucked because PAM is the rich people government. P: G(A). R: And the rich people is who going to dominate, and their bringing in foreigners. P: G(A). R: One of the guys who go on the same with Billy XXX. I wasn(t here. P: G(A). R: He came here and he was doing deep sea exploration for the tourist. P: G(A). R: They have guys here what doing it. P: Yeah. U(L). G(A). R: In Anguilla, Anguilla. You down there and you tell them I got money and a warrant to fdo this or do that, they tell you no P: G(A). R: You have to give an Anguillan a share up too. P: G(A). R: Not here in St. Kitts, you got the money come. P: G(A). R: And if you got more resources than this man, like America hostile take-over. P: G(A). R: Most people don(t know about how this hostile take-over is. P: Yeah. R: That(s what they(re doing here. P: G(A). R: Bringing in outsiders with more capital to take over the business. P: G(A). Who brings them in? R: The politicians, them. P: G(A). R: Because if I go to a country and they don(t want me, they just tell me boom, bam, I gone.. P: Do you mean like the Prime Minister? R: Yes. P: He(s involved in this? R: Yes, these guys get the perks under the table. P: He(s, yeah, go ahead. R: You have money; you want io invest. P: G(A). R: You ain(t going to come to me. I(m sitting here on a side road. P: Yeah. R: You going town, to government headquarters. P: Yeah. R: And you getting your business done. P: G(A). R: Me, who aint got no money, they want to send me and you to this place and not them. P: G(A). R: They would say (What? This is where you want them right now.( P: G(A). R: Ok, leave everything to me. P: G(A). R: They call Mr. this, they aint sending you to nobody else. P: G(A). R: You(re dealing with them. P: OK. R: And they call Mr. This and they get out there when he come, they say, (See, we got everything here for you and what you like, a little dog. P: P: G(A). R: Right here, to watch you, you know. P: G(A). U(L). R: To watch you here, you know. P: Yeah. R: You go by your pocket and get him something. P: G(A). R: That(s how they do it. P: G(A). R: Because my wife used to be the deputy at the time, prime minister. P: G(A). Is that right. R: Secretary. And she tell me some things she can(t believe. People just walk in and everything prepared for them. P: G(A). R: And where me and you, well, or me and he got to squat and kiss their ass and what not. P: G(A). R: You would come; because you white, and you show some green backs, man, brother, you got. P: G(A). If you got the money, that(s all it needs. R: You got St. Kitts. You got the money that(s all it needs. P: I see. R: Show some money, talk good. P: Tell me about your wife. R: U(L). U(M). I don(t want to talk on the radio. P: You don(t much about. You don(t want to tel me where she(s from? R: She(s from St. Kitts. P: And how old is she? R: Same age like me. P: OK R: And we got three daughters. P: Oh, that(s what I, U(I), OK. R:Two of them are American, they born in Tampa when I was over there. P: OK. R: I tell you she gone to Georgia, where Bookman College is? P: Bookman? I(m not sure. R: Bookman or Booksman, something like that. Something in Georgia.. P: Yeah, well, there are a lot of colleges in Georgia.. R: But she was born out there. She got money from the federal government and she gone. P: G(A). How old are they? R: She(s eighteen. Right now, right, so she(s U(I). P: G(A). And your wife(s parents from? R: Nevis, Nevis. P: Oh, your wife(s parents from Nevis too. R: Yeah, seventy-five point five percent of the family here from Nevis. P: Is that right. In Cayon, you mean? In the isl U(I) R: No, in St, Kitts. P: In St. Kitts. R: In St. Kitts. P: Really? Most of the people in St. Kitts. R: Formerly come from Nevis. S: No, no, no, no. R: Only the fellow who come from St. Lucie. U(L). P: U(L). S: U(M). R: Seventy-five point five per cent of the people around here come from Nevis. P: No kidding. Is that right. And don(t mean just this side of the island. You mean the whole island. R: The whole island. From what I understand. I think I read part of it in the Caribbean history. P: G(A). R: Codrington, Barbuda, and Nevis ran this plantation. P: G(A). R: There was slave breeding ground. P: G(A) R: The slave master used to pick out the best healthiest sort people. P: G(A). R: And send them there. P: G(A). R: To bred. P: I see. R: So you find between Montserrat, Antigua, Martinique, the family. P: I see. I see. R: Between Nevis, St. Kitts, Anguilla,we are one. P: I heard a lot of people, heard people talk about people coming from Nevis.to St. Kitts to work in the cane. R: They did, They did. P: Yeah. R:. The Anguillans, Nevisians, they did. In fact, that(s what there are so many Nevisians around here. P: G(A). R: Because at the time, Nevis grew cotton. P: G(A). R: St. Kitt(s grew cane and cotton. P: G(A). R: Nevis was smaller so most of them come down to make more money and must understand. P: Yeah. R: The cane heavier than the cotton U(L). P: Harder work. R: It(s harder work for me, yes, it heavier than make the cotton, so they to cut the cane so they can make money. P: I see. But there(s no cotton grown in St. Kitts now at all? R: No, no, no. No cotton no more.unless you seem them wild through the bush. S: Wild. P: Yeah, yeah. But there(s no production of it. R: No, no, no even End Side A R: In the time of Pharaoh, I go so far back. P: G(A). R: Pharaoh took the inhabitant[s] of Egypt and surrounding Egypt and make [made] them his subjects to be slaves. P:G(A). Yeah. R: Kept them in bondage for over fifty something years. P: G(A). R: The people prayed and prayed to only inside being they were conscious of because, remember, they were illiterate. P: G(A). R: But God or whoever you might want to call him who know the way they felt and what they hunger for. P G(A). R: He sent Moses. P: G(A). R: Moses took them from there, cross this Red Sea. P: G(A) R: And reach into where we call Baghdad. P: G(A). R: Lebanon with them people. P: G(A). R: He left and he went to the wilderness, and when he come back his cousin Aaron took half and put them to worship idols. P: G(A). R: OK. P: G(A), R: Moses die. P: G(A). R: Abraham had a vision who was of the same family. P: Right. R: To go to Jerusalem. P: G(A). R: He went to Jerusalem. P: OK. R: He establish Old Jerusalem. P: OK. R: And that(s where they are today, and we(re calling them Palestinians. P: OK. R: OK. P: Yeah. R: But these people who Hitler had from the Balkans, Ukraine and them places. P: Yeah. R: To kill them because they were worshiping a black religion, not because of ethnic cleansing. P: G(A). R: The Jewish religion is a black religion. OK. P: G(A). R: And Hitler were mad to see a white man worshiping a black religion, he round them up. P: G(A). R: And decide he going to annihilate them. P: G(A). R: And America tell us it ethnic cleansing, but Charlie XXX know better than that. P: G(A). R: You understand? And this is why the Jihad War. The lie is going to come to truth and tell Pat XXX and Jerry XXX they going to miss what(s going on. P: G(A). R: They are not the people God talk about he would protect. P: G(A). R: Look what they(re doing to Arafat and all of them. You see them going anywhere? P: G(A). R: They coming back and they going to hit hard. P: G(A). R: Because God is on their side. P: G(A). R: God see the exploitation they been through. P: G(A). R: From the time of Pharaoh until now. P: G(A). R: You catch where I(m coming from? P: Yeah, but I(d like a little more explanation. You think God(s on the side of the Jihad.? R: God is on the side, me grandmother told me, when I was about nine years old. And that had me puzzled all when I was a big man. P: G(A). R: God help the thief and he help the watchman. P: G(A). R: You know what that is to say? P: Yeah, helps everybody. R: Helps everybody, but eventually the right one is going to prevail. P: G(A). R: In other words, these people, it(s all economics. P: G(A). Yeah, OK. R: In order, Africa, it(s one of the richest or the richest continent on the face of the earth. P: G(A). Absolutely R: We have all the wealth for everybody to prosper. P: Right. R: But because of greed and domination, the outsiders is influencing them inside who suppor6ts the big kings and rulers. P: G(A). R: To exploit the people so they could hold a status. P: G(A). R: In certain organization or whatnot. P: G(A). R: And causing Africa to be like this. P: G(A). R: It(s the same thing they are doing with the Middle East. P: G(A). R: But these people in the Middle East, you must remember, they take us from Africa, they give us a practice. P: G(A). R: Of a religion. P: G(A). R: Our culture, they tell us, leave it behind. P: G(A). R: So that(s why we in the Caribbean is like this. P: G(A). R: We(re like a chicken without a head. P: G(A). R: Because we forget our culture. P: Yeah. R: The Arabs, the Muslims. P: G(A). R: That(s their culture. P: G(A). Yeah. R: That(s their teaching from the beginning to now. P: Yeah. R: And that(s why they want to get rid of them. P: OK. R: Because this Jesus, they preaching around here. P: G(A). R: It(s a double standard thing. You know what a girl tell me the other day? P: No, what was that. R: She could go around and do all that she want. When she ready, she just go the altar and give she heart to God and she will be cleansed by the blood. P: G(A). U(L). Right. R: That(s what the preaching on the morning they(re preaching, well, I tell them they lie. P: G(A). R: This same Jesus they talk about say, well, man, sow it, so will he reap.. P: G(A). R: The wages of sin is death. P: G(A). R: So how the hell you going to walk to the altar and all your sins going to be forgiven. P: Yeah. I see. R: You catch? P: Absolutely. R: These people need to stop these guys. P: G(A). R: Jerry Falwell, all these Christian thing. P: U(L). R: And let(s go back to the old time religion. P: OK (L). Well, that(s what Jerry XXX thinks he(s doing. R: Going back to the old U(I). P: Well, he thinks it(s the old time religion. R: He thinks so? P: I think he thinks so. R: Jerry XXX think he U(L). P: . G(A). R: If Jerry XXX go back to the old time religion, how come he ridicule President Clinton because he had an interference with an intern? P: G(A). R:He ain(t going back to the old time religion because when you check back the old time religion all the man they have four or five or fifteen wife. P: U(L). OK. R: He ain(t preaching that. He ain(t preaching that. P: OK. R: A woman was made, put here to comfort man. P: OK. R: It is a sin, abomination, just to take someone else(s wife. P: G(A). R: But if you feel you could afford to keep more than one wife, that(s prerogative P: G(A). R: That(s what God give you. You understand? P: G(A). R: To care of what you can take care of. P: G(A). R: Hey, the culture which we been taught right now is running us into chaos. P: G(A). Where do you think the U(F). Do you see something happening in St. Kitts like a Jihad, as a solution? R: U(L). I would n(t tell you because of that. P: Well, OK, I(m not trying to trap you into saying anything like that. That(s OK. R: It(s coming. That(s all I will say. It(s coming. That(s all I will say. P: OK. Talk in more general terms. R: It(s coming. P: OK. U(F). Do you think the Arabs will prevail in the Middle East. R: Yes, they will. P: G(A). R: Eventually, what going to happen, it cause a big bomb. P: G (A). R: You hear what I(m talking about, dirty bomb. P: G(A). R: America is doing this shit too. P: G(A). R: Just yesterday I listen to the radio, England, Europe is suffering from the Mad Cow disease. P: Yeah. R: America is supplying the farmers them with feeds, but they are using a hormone that is banned and not appropriate for human consumption. P: G(A). R: And they are sending to Europe in feeds for animals. P: G(A). And you think that what causing the Mad U(I).. R: Biological warfare. P: Yeah. R: Technically. Who in America studying that? P: Yeah. R: But when somebody hit them back hard way now, they going to say these people is this; these people is that. P:Yeah. R: But you mustn(t do that, comply with people. P: G(A). R: In Afghanistan, the majority is Muslim. P: G(A). R: They say Christian must come there. P: G(A). R: How in the hell you going to turn off and top and go in a man house? P: G(A). R: Go preach religion when he say don(t come in, come do it? P: G(A). R: He don(t want, he don(t want it. Don(t force him do it. P: Right.. R: But some people want to teach us majority rule. P: Right. . R: Majority win. P: Yeah. R: They went to Afghanistan, Americans.. P: G(A). R: Started preaching and they locked them up. P: G(A). R: Oh, the Taliband is evil. I would have killed them. P: U(L). R: I would have killed them. P: Yeah. R: Plain out. You hear, don(t go there, don(t go there it. If you catch an Afghanistan outside, and you could convince him,. P: G(A). R: Let he go back and do it, not you. P: Yeah. R: Not you, going to influence people with your culture. P: Yeah. R: Come on, let(s be fair. P: Yeah. R: This is what(s happening in the world today. P: G(A). Sure. R: And this is why it aint going to get better because the young people they know. They are a lot more intelligent than us. P: G(A). R: Ands they are a lot braver than us. P: Yeah. And they can make a difference, G(Q). R: Make a difference? They making a difference no more. The are no going to him to be leaders no more. The kind of leaders they be, they going to rebel. P: G(A). I see. R: Take up arms and show you it(s either do or die. P: G(A). R: Jimmy XXX sing a song, (I rather be a free man in my grave than to be living as a puppet or a slave.( P: G(A). U(L). R: What about that? P: Well, that(s good. R: This is why young people them developing and I aint me weren(t older, tell the truth, I be done gone too around here and around the world. P: G(A). R: But these guys got to wake up. .Is no way government, the rich and the elite can stay and exploit the people and nothing going to happen. P: G(A). R: Look what happen in American Enron. P: G(A). R: A lot more going on, you know. P: And nobody(s been punished. R: You don(t think nobody going to get punished? P: I hope they do, but they haven(t so far.. R: The law, (re)member I tell you just a while ago, you know. P: Yeah. R: They feel they are the untouchables. The law cannot touch them. P:Yeah. R: But Mr. Justice will. P: Yeah. R: Some man, one morning, when he realize he lose half his life saving and see Mr. Enron walking, he pick up something and stab him in the ass. P: U(L). R: That(s Mr. Justice. P: Yeah. P: Hey, I realize what(s going on now, come on.. P: Yeah. R: Nobody don(t really have no government no more. You understand?. P: Yeah. R: And this is why people kidnaping people children and things. If I know what I do. P: Yeah. R: You see that America there? P: Yeah, that(s right, a lot of that going on. R: America is the place where revealing God and he work, instant justice. Just like they have fast food restaurants, they have fast food justice. P: Fast food justice U(L). R: So, let me tell you, you mess with me dog, bite a man, get somebody come watch you child play while it play, take up a garlic or hop P: G(A). R: Make them dead, spread out. That(s what they do. P: Where does the fast food justice go on? In America, you mean? R: Caribbean. These guys who take up arms and come down the road and just drove by swep by everything. That(s fast food justice. P: G (A). OK. I got you. R: You understand? P: Yeah. Let me ask you. What do you think about the Rastafarian religion? R: It(s a religion that make black man realize his consciousness within himself. P: Sit down here and tell me about that. R: See him U(L). {Man in Rastafarian knit cap walking by] P: Yeah, but I(d like your opinion. R: Rasta is a religion which the individual Rasta become conscious and aware of the do(s and the don(t(s. P: G(A). R: And to himself he know he find himself accountable for whatever he do. P: G(A). R: Like I tell you, the Christians go to church today, they don( t feel they selves accountable or find themselves accountable to the sins they do. They figure they can do sins and Jesus will cleanse them. P: Yeah. R: Not to Rasta. Rasta is more conscious about that. What you sow is what you going reap. P: G(A). OK. R: What you dish out is what you(re going to get back. P: OK. R: That(s Rasta. So, I see in a sense, Rasta come around here to save the day for us. P: G(A). R: Because if it wasn(t for Rasta P: G(A). R: My, some of them, eh, a lot of our young black people, I tell you, would have been subjects down there in the church. P: G(A). R: For the minister, you think it(s in America alone, minister jump on the little bible. It happen all around here, and it happen even more than in America because our poor parents couldn(t feed us. P: G(A). R: And the minister had gain everything, every Sunday he collecting dollars, saw lot a boys go.. And later happen, Rasta happen. P: G(A). R: Rasta come in and Rasta watch them. And they go in that thing and the fire burn U(L) and fire burn Pope up. U(L). Fire burn Pope Paul. Now I say. You understand? P: No, tell me about that. R: Rasta don(t want to see Pope Paul. Catch Pope Paul right now. They catch Pope Paul right now, they burn him up so they don(t have. P: They want to bomb the Pope? R: They bomb him up bonny. P: G(A). S: Man, you aint got that old man, he aunty man P: Aunty man U(L). R: U(L). P: Who(s an aunty man, the Pope? R: The Pope. P: The Pope(s an aunty man U(L). R: Yeah. P: I heard Hurricane Lenny was an aunty man because he came the wrong way. U(L). R: Yeah. U(L). Wrong way. He something bad P: That(s great. That(s terrific. R: U(F) The Rasta to me come and save the day. P: When did Rasta come to St. Kitts, would you say? R: Whew, boy, that(s a round here a long time, but what really kick it off is after the visit Selassie made to Jamaica. P: Oh, yeah. R: He had one or two in between before, and people just used to look at them, you know, what(s this Rasta really about. P: G(A). R:And you know not really know what(s about them, but then after this man come in here, Haile XXX. P: G(A).G: R: And made the speech in Jamaica, and then Bob Marley sing the song, boy, the Rastas kick off. P: G(A). R: (Call to neighbor). Because when you check them out, most Rastamen are agriculturalist. P: G(A). R: They work for themself. P: G(A). R: They show you sense of independence and consciousness. P: G(A). R: Majority of them don(t go (a)round get hisself involve in trouble and thing like that. P: Yeah. R: They read the Bible every day You know, the conscious ones, hey,. It kind of uplift the young people them to say, hey, the God we(re hearing about all the time. P: Yeah. R: We look and see our Momma, Daddy end up and what they going to do. They aint going be no God then, P: Yeah. R: But the Rastaman settle on experience and show you certain thing and you watch his movement and how he move... P: Yeah. R: You tell yourself there is some kind of revival. P: Yeah, I see that. The reason I ask you is because I(m very familiar with Bob Marley and Peter Tosh(s. singing U(I). R: Yeah, P: And U(F) there seems to be a lot of hope there. R: Hope and positive significance to that music, yes. That(s what it was about. P: And also U(F), revolution in (A Small Ax,( for example. R: Yes. Or I feel, the best revolution singer, revolutionary singer that ever sung was Peter Tosh. P: G(A). R: You listen to him. P: Oh, I listen to him plenty. I love Peter Tosh, R: You want to throw things what you hear? P: He has a great Rastafarian song that long song (Rastafari( And (Whatcha You Gonna Do.( is another one, a good song and (People who(U(I). R: And (Down Pressure Man.( P: Yeah. (Whatcha Gonna Do.( R: (Go gonna run to the rock for rescue, beginning to help you.( P: Yeah He has another one U(F) (If you you live in a glass house, don(t throw stones.( R: Don(t throw stones. P: Yeah, (If you can(t take( U(I). R: It(s a kind of consciousness that the Rasta brought to us. Do you understand? P: Right. Right. I do. R: Cause the young guys to really pull back on, hey. If you check it out, check it out. I think the government supposed to get it under. Check out the behavior of these religious pagans around here. P: G(A). R: They talking Jesus on Sunday, they going church almost every night, but look at the behavior. P: G(A). R: Look at U(F) what I must call the demeanor towards other people. P: G(A). R: It(s not nice. P: No. R: That(s not how a Christian supposed to. P: No, that(s very sensible. R: Perform. P: I think that(s U(I). R: And with government allowing this kind of hypocrisy to happen. P: G(A). R: It just deteriorating the standard of the society. P: G(A). Is there U(I). R: A crime. P: U(F). Is there a militant, a militant side to Rastafarian? R: Of course. P: Because Tosh, I would say, was a militant, you know.. R: All Rastifarian. P: Are all. G(A). R: Are militant because all Rastafarian they respect each other, and if you violate them and tell yourself, they come in. P: G(A). R: You understand, so there(s a militant part about it that they won(t come out and, I must say, be callous and exploit people. P: G (A) R: Hey, a Rasta come here and see that be cool and calm. But if you mess with he, you be careful. P: G(A). R: You careful or the Rasta brothers them figure they gonna join in but you don(t want that day to come. P: G(A). R: I tell you don(t want to see that day to come. P: G(A). R: And what I know a lot these Rasta are educated people. P: G(A). Yeah. R: Ain(t no dummy. P: G(A). R: I could sit down, the guy you see was just there, he was one of the P: G(A). R: I could sit and talk to him and he done show me some things. P: Yeah. R: I can sit and talk to a Christian who is a Christian forty-five years and open an argument. P: G(A). R: Because so many thing he telling he don(t even understand. P: G(A). R: Serious. P: Yeah. R: Serious. So. You know I(m glad you come around here. I don(t know why you doing it, but U(I). P: G(A). R: In a sense I(m glad you as a professor in a college to go back and teach them children to let America fool them. P: G(A). R: America following Israel down a road which part their ass gonna get bang-o, bang. P: U(L). R: They gonna get U(U). P: No, I R: And thing .it hurts me to see the best country in the world is following ignorance. You hear? P: G(A). U(F) It(s run by greed and money. R: Greed and money, but still. I don(t like the Bush them. P: G(A). R: I think it worst thing in America to put them Bushes in power. P: G(A). R: Number one, they are cooperating P: The Supreme Court put them in power. The people didn(t put them in power. U(I) R: OK, even the father, even the father. P: He lost the election. OK. R: The father caused it. But then Reagan took him, you know, that was the era America in. P: G(A). OK. R: Reagan Era was what you call the balance of justice. P: G(A). R: Between good and bad. Sand I think it swing bad when they did brought in Reagan in. P: G(A). R: They see it was oasis before he got in. P: All right. R: Reagan broke up the Black Panthers. P: G(A). R: The Black Panthers were fighting for struggle of black people in America. P: Yeah. R: And with that he gets into power. P: Yes. R: People love him because he was a movie star. P: Yeah, right. U(L). R: They did n(t know what the repercussion U(I). P: They don(t make a distinction between the roles he played in the movies and who he was. That(s true. R: And that(s what broke America.. P: U(L). I see. R: I tell you, right there, Reaganomics were born. P: Right. Voodoo economics. Bush called them Voodoo Economics.. U(L). R: U(L). And, hey, you wouldn(t believe America government U(F) for depression, and it hurt me to see the best country in the frigging world. P: Right. R: Going because of ignorance. They got the most universities. P: G(A). R: But then still people in them slow, they(re slow bastards. But then still I give them right to teach the way looking at what happened now after September eleventh. P: Yeah. R: I give the Bush them right to do what the do because had Al Gore, Lieberman going inside there. P: G(A). R: Say, yay, yay, them Jews gonna kick up worse. You see how arrogant that man U(U)Sharon is. P: Yeah. R: And you going to believe that I find out his great grandmother U(F) was a Russian P: Really? R: His mother immigrated to Israel. His genes come from Russia. P: Well, most of them did. R: Most? Not most, all of them. It(s just fifty-five years to celebrate just last year or this year. P: OK G(A) R: Fifty-five years for the existence of Israel so they had to come from somewhere about. P: G(A). R: I were reading a thing that Sharon great grandmother U(I). P: G(A). Was a Russian. R: Was a Russian. P: I didn(t know that. R: You understand? P: Yeah. R: So, man come in and say they gonna bang the man and take the land. Come on, that aint gonna happen. P: G(A). R: Don(t care about Arafat. I gonna them this, delegate with Arafat P: Yeah. R: It(s not about supporting someone. P: G(A). R: It(s not about for land. It(s about identity. P: G(A). Yeah. R: OK. P: OK. R: And these people would kill and kill even their mother just to get the word across. P: G(A). R: Because let(s look at it. Sharon was say, he aint talking to Arafat. Well, if the man in charge. Who you gonna talk to? You got to talk to the man. P: G(A). R: And by resenting the man, my grandmother used to say, (Who no hear, feel.( P: G(A). U(L). R: That(s what the Talaban did. P: G(A). R: You understand? P: Yeah. R: And who gonna support him to say he mustn(t talk to Arafat? P: G(A). R: He there. You must remember Arafat was a terrorist. P: G(A). R: So he know all the mechanism. P: Right. R: And I got a feeling, he(s the one who(s cooling them off because these guys they got the resources. P: Sure. R: And they got the kind of fighters America can(t fight. P: That(s right. R: I could be one. You could be one. P: Yeah. R: So you don(t know who is who. P: Yeah. R: So they dare to kill Arafat they get fuck. P: G(A). Yeah. R: So I tell you because each individual cell, they aint working on no body no more. P: G(A) R: They working as individuals. P: I see and so you think U(I). R: Right now he have them as a cell. P: And that anyone of these can be a one-man Jihad. R: One-man Jihad. You understand? P: Yeah. R: So they get rid of Arafat, I wouldn(t want them do it because when they men to do it. P: What do you think. U(I). R: Because that(s where the war will really start, the wrong from the right. P: OK. Then how do you resolve that problem? R: I say establish a Palestinian state. P: Yeah. R: Recognize them in the United Nation. Help them to be laying infrastructure. P: Yeah. R: And any time Israel feel like she has to want to go over there, let her fight, tit for tat. P: G(A). R: Not one side choice two on the other, got going. P: Yeah, but what(s preventing that now? R: America. P: America supports that. R: Could you imagine Israel have nuclear weapons. P: I believe they do. R: They do. P: Sure they do. R: So why Saddam Hussein can(t have them? P: Right. The simple reason is Israel is our friend and Saddam Husein isn(t. R: Saddam was your friend too. P: U(L). Saddam was never our friend. R: Saddam was America. P: Tell me about it. R: The war between Iran and Iraq. P: Yeah. R: Was triggered by America. P: Yeah. R: America put Saddam Hussein, his death threat, to fight for you. P: Is that right? R: But this what make Saddam Hussein get soured. P: G(A). R: I(ll tell you, Oliver North and George Bush should have been in jail. P: U(L).. R: All in America held as hostage. P: I go along with that. U(L). That(s OK. . R: The people who U(I). P: I(ll drink to that. R: They had as hostages in Iran. You understand any of that? P: I remember that. That was during Carter(s Administration. R: If one of them were me father, I(d look for Oliver North and kill him. P: G(A). R: So this is what they did. P: G(A). R: They put Saddam Hussein to fight Iran. P: You mean those sixty hostages that U(I). R: Yeah. You understand? P: Yeah. R: They give Saddam Hussein ammunition. P: G(A). Yeah, OK. R: He was the ally. P: G(A). R: But one day Saddam Hussein sent twenty-seven fighters over to Iran and only five came back. P: G(A). R: And when them guys describe what hit them, they say it was an American weapon. P: G(A). R: How they get it? And when they go an investigate. Oliver XXX is to trade arms for hostage. P: G(A). R: And that get Saddam Hussein pissed, and I would have get pissed too. P: G(A). U(L). R: I fight and send thirty men out there to get killed to help you. P: OK. R: And you turn around and give ammunition, come on, you can(t U(U). P: OK. R: But America hide the truth. P: OK. R: And you see what Oliver XXX say, when they investigating Oliver XXX, the big man above tell him nothing will happen to him. I would find out who the big man be. P: G(A). R: And let the big man come tell me nothing will happen to him. P: G(A). R: So he damned doing it. Americans are fucking up Americans and they don(t realize it. Just for greed. P: G(A). R: You understand? The man Terry XXX or Terry XXX. P: He was one of the hostages. R: No, he ended up as a hostage because he were working at the Canterbury. P: Yeah, with the Archbishop of Canterbury. R: The pope for England, from England. P: G(A). R: He worked to negotiate. P: G(A). R: But when he go back, Oliver XXX got somebody else try negotiating. Let the man try ministering with the hostages : P: Right. R: Figure he was just passed by somebody else showing up, bye, bye, bye, Oliver XXX and George Bush. U(F) Give them to the Indians and let them cut them out in the desert and tie something around their neck. P: U(L). R: For something to chew them to death, let them die a slow death. That(s what they need to do [to] them, too much hypocrisy. P: G(A). R: And they lie. These big boys are very lies. You know this Exxon. You know what I always say? P: G (V) R: President Clinton will always go in history as one of the best presidents, regardless to all what they got against him because he let it play out. P: G(A) R: He let them story play out. He defend hisself the best way he could but let it happen to a Republican or maybe even another Democrat. P: G(A) R: President. You see that person dead. P: G(A). R: They wanted to say President Clinton was the one who killed the man, the one that investigated the transportation thing in there, who(s him? Pannetti {Panetta]. So they make him shot in his office. They say he commit suicide. P: U(I). R: His document turn up in Mrs. Clinton office. P: Oh, yeah, I know who you mean. The guy who killed himself out on the ridge. R: Yeah P: Yeah, I know who you mean. He was a man who came from Arkansas with Clinton. R: Yeah. By them kill a man. P: Yeah. R: Bob Dole and all those fucking big corners in the Balkans was the ones that killed Ron Brown and them. P: G(Q). R: You understand? P: G(A). R: And they want to say Clinton do it. P: G(A). R: Now you them, the Republicans, not see U(U) P: You think that guy that was supposedly a suicide was killed bu somebody? R: Killed by somebody, but not Clinton didn(t kill him. P: G(A). R: He were killed to cover up something because when he came inside here, you must remember they have that transportation problem. P: G(A). R: Investigation with the day. High in that. P: Right, right. U(I). R: All of that. If you want to ask me about why, so they kill him. P: G(A). R: Not Clinton and them. Clinton is such a clever dude. P: U(L). R: A man that go as a Rhodes scholar. P: Yeah. R: To Cambridge University, you must tell yourself, an American end up in the Cambridge University with such high class..... he got to be a brilliant. P: G(A). R: They say he lie. He didn(t lie. Did you have an affair with this gitl? P: G(A). R: No, but I had a inappropriate situation with her. P: U(L). R: You know? P: Right. R: So here. P: G(A). R: You understand? P: Sure. R: So you understand English language. P: Yeah. Absolutely. R: When they show he lie, they show people how stupid they are, laughing. P: G(A). R: I sigh for America when I see the leadership going around, why bother about. P: G(A). R: If these mother fuckers taking poor people money P: G(A). R: And living the lavish life-style, paying theirself U(H) expensive purse because they are CEO of company. P: G(A). R: By, Saddam Hussein is the best leader. I meet one of them down the road, U(U) they wrote about that. P: G(A). R: They thieved no more. Why they do it? P: G(A). R: But if you see Mr. McCay [McCain]. P: G(A). R: Please shake his hand for me. P: U(0L). Who(s he? R: McCain, who run, a Republican candidate for the president.. Tom McCay or something like that, you know?. P: What(s he doing now? R: He(s a senator. He tried to run for the republican ticket. McCay or whatever his name is. P: Oh, McCain, John McCain R: McCain. P: The ex-Navy, he was a prisoner of war. R: If you run int to him shake hands for me. P: I will. U(L). R: He was man who start to show us years ago them rich folks taking in the money and deal it to the different parties. P: Yeah. R: Call it campaign reform? P: Yeah, right, right, that(s who you(re talking about. He(s leading. The thing on campaign reform. R: Yeah, tell him to keep to keep on pressing on. P: Right, I think there(s a Democrat Lieberman who maybe is with him on that. The guy who ran for vice president. R: Lieberman, yeah. OK. P: With Gore. R: The half Jew. P: Right, right.. R: So I tell you I seen it (a)round here happen. These hotels coming in and the party in power let them. Valentine(s Night, the hotel cook food, send it to the party in quarters, they turn around, sell it to the members, and then the hotel doing as they like. P: G(A). R: Because they give them food, P: Like graft, payoff. R: Payoff. So same thing happening up there, they don(t want no food. P: G(A). R: Up there president give them six hundred thousand, eight hundred thousand just to campaign. P: Sure R: You understand? And poor people money. P: Yeah. Same kind of stuff. What about the Hyatt Hotel? What is that? What state is that in now? R: U(L). A couple of the units finished. P: G(A). R: I think they want to block. When they say they going to finish it? October? S2: Marriott? R: Yeah. S2: December. R: December. P: And how big is it going to be? R: Oh, five hundred and something rooms? S2: Nine hundred. R: Nine hundred, a big hotel. P: Yeah, R: A five star, five star is the highest, right? P: Yeah R: A five start. P: U(F) I(ll tell you , the reason I ask and the thing I wonder about that you said that I wish you(d thanks [to S2 who moved briefcase away from water running down the curb], help me with: in order to get the poverty out of, say, St. Kitts, to reduce the poverty, you(ve got to make money, don(t you? R: Money is making here. P: Enough money? R: Money is making here, but the money is going out. P: G(A). R: Because our lack of vision. P: I see. R: When you going to let someone like a Santo Domingan or Guinenese. P: Or Italian U(L). R: A Jamaican, a Trinidadian to come in here to work. They don(t come in here to stay. They(re taking all the money. P: OK R: Why don(t you take a trip to Anguilla. P: Ok. R: The population is small, but just drive around and look around, and drive around the city and see what young fellows doing, Anguillan. P: G(A). Everybody R: Everybody got a job because Government make sure before you hire anybody to work, you have to put it on the air and the radio for six weeks. Anguillans don(t hear it they know for the job. P: I see. That(s great. R: And even if they can(t do it and you hire me who from St. Kitts to do the work, the system say you have to hire an Anguillan to understudy me. P: G(A). R: So after two, three years, I gone P: G(A). I see. R: And the understudy get the job. P: Well, in that respect, the Anguillan government is better that St. Kitts, G(V)? R: G(V)? P: U(I). R: Anguillan government better than St. Kitts government. P: How many people live on Anguilla, do you guess? R: Well, I say now with outsiders about twelve thousand. P: Twelve thousand. R: G(A). P: So it(s less than half the size of St. Kitts. R: Less. P: What is St. Kitts about forty now? R: No, I would say it(s about fifty thousand with these coming in. P: Fifty, yeah, transients. R: But our indigenous P: But you really see the transient laborers R: Yeah. P: A serious threat. R: That(s what killed Haiti. Come on. P: G(A). R: You(re older than I am. P: Yeah, but I don(t remember that. R: Haiti and those places had more industry and manufacturing. P: G(A). R: Curtis XXX had the most expensive thing, a lifetime warranty. P: G(A). R: Have you seen a Curtis XXX lately. P: U(L). R: Made in Haiti. U(L). Couple other things, good stuff that made in Haiti but. P: I see. P: Was it the same in Cuba? R: Cuba was P: America colonized Cuba. R: Cuba was different because so-called Americans colonized Cuba. P: G(A). R: But there was underground Mafias P: Yes, that(s true. R: Businessmen. P: G(A). R: So that(s why he fail. P: G(A). R: You understand? P: There were some overt Mafia there too, like U(I). R: G(A). They claim the Kennedys were involved there, but I don(t know. P: G(A). R: But Cuba is a different thing and they will never topple Cuba easily. P: G(A). R: When Castro leave it gonna be worse. You see, the Cuban people are a proud set of people. Who lives in Cuba? Don(t me wrong. P: G(A). R: This is why, if you notice, most of the people who fled Cuba are Caucasian. P: Yeah, right. R: It(s because Castro have this system in Cuba, whether you white or you are blacks, you all are the same. P: Right. R: So you find the black in Cuba are living on the same level with the Caucasian people. R: G(A). R: And they don(t like it. P: Right. Those are Batista(s people. R: You understand? So if you notice it, OK, they come out of Cuba, you know they had it hard, that(s why they run. P: G(A). R: So what you want to tell me? God doesn(t give you a conscience and a little sense of gratitude to tell you, hey, the people you left back there have it so hard. . P: Yeah. R: They have it so hard, let(s ask the government at least to sell food or anything. Any time they hear anything, the Cubans they don(t like none of them. No, no, no. You know why? P: G(A). R: You know why? The Cuban at home would benefit and have better than them. P: G(A). R: They gone off to America, living off the American government. P: G(A). R: Living in put up houses, apartment house. The Cubans in Cuba have their own private homes. P: I see. R: And there would be more progress in life if some of these sanctions come off. P: Yeah, that makes sense. R: Then them, so they don(t want it happen. P: Yeah. R: They don(t want to see they make this dangerous journey for nothing. P: G(A). R: And then they can(t show off the Cuban, but so many Cuban they show of on them. I see some dovcumentray, people from the Virgin Islands about Cuba streets. P: G(A). R: But you won(t even see a piece of paper on the sidewalk back in Cuba. They got some Cuban doing OK, making out well. Could be better if America lift the sanction. P: Yeah, well that(s crazy. That(s just crazy. Listen. I want you, would you do somehing for me? What I(d like you to do, I(m doing this with everybody I interview, this is just to get pronunciation you know. R: G(A). P: To get certain words. I just want you to pronounce some things for me. Will you count from one to fourteen, loud enough so it; heard on here. R: Are you checking my speech ability. P: No, I(m checking your vowels, the Cayon vowels are what I(m interested in. U(L). R: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven twelve, thirteen, fourteen. P: OK, now the days of the week, R: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. P: OK, now the months of the year, but say them a little slower because I have to transcribe this. R: You have to transcribe this? P: Yes, I have to reduce this to writing. R: I know, I know. January, February, March, April, May, June July, August, September, October, November, December. P: OK, now the last thing is the ordinal numbers, you know, start with, tiday is the seventeenth. The beginning of the month would be the what? R: The first, the second, the third, fifth, sixth, seventh, eigth, ninth, tenth. P: After the second is what? R: The third. P: And after the third. R: The fourth. P: OK. Great, that(s all I need, but this isn(t to check your speech ability. U(L). R: Math and speech. P: No, those words, I get those words from everybody I interview all over the island, and I compare the way you say (three( to the way somebody in Sandy Point says it, or an older person. R: You might get a difference with me because I can tell you I(ve been out of here for ten years. P: I know. R: So if you get somebody who here all the time, it might sound different. P: That(s what I(m afraid of. I almost didn(t interview you for that reason, but I(m glad I did because you(ve got a lot of interesting things to says and I(m U(I). R: Hey, I ain(t no dummy. You see these guys around here passing through here, they ain(t no dummy neither. People think they are dummy. They no dummy. P: Yes. R: They got more head than some of the guys working in the offices. P: Who thinks they(re dummies? R: A lot of people, so a lot of people. P: If I thought guys were dummies, I wouldn(t waste my time, I(d stay home. R: U(L). P: I(d stay home in Atlanta. R: A lot of guys you see going to town with a tie and ting P: Yeah R: You could just write some word and tell them in the words, jump over that cliff and fuck yourself. P: U(L) R: They won(t stop and say what, you understand? P: G(A). R:They just follow what they read and that(s all they could think about. P: G(A). R: They can(t stop and say Man, man telling for myself and I(m smart.. P: U(L). R: And no like that, so when I meet up with guys with ties I just watch them because my mamma used to say, when you go to school don(t be an educated ass, you know. P: G(A). R: An educated ass, P: Absolutely. Can you think of any, tell me some more of your mother(s saying, You have told me about three. R: U(L). P: Can you think of any other ones? Those were great. What you can(t see, you feel. R: What you can(t hear, you feel. P: What you can(t hear, S1: Is he a journalist? P: No, no. R: I(ll tell him who you are. Anyway he explain what he be. P: Yeah, I(ll tell you. R: She say who can(t hear by the small bell would hear by the big bell. You know what the big bell mean? P: What? R: You ever go to a funeral. P: Where there are different sized bells? R: Yeah, in the church you go for communion and such, they have as small little bell. P: Yeah, a little tinkling bell. R: But outside they have the big bell. P: Yeah, that(s great one. R: When te big bell ring, that(s when they(re throwing your ass in the grave. P: OK. R: So who don(t hear by the small bell, he hear by the big one. P: U(L) OK. R: U(L). P: For whom the bell tolls. I got you. Yeah. R: I(ll give you a whole book. I(ll give you a whole book. P: Just tell me some more if you can think of any. R: Me can(t remember. I can(t remember them. P: OK. R: I can(t remember them. P: That(s all right. OK. R: Hey. You got lot, you know. P: G(A). R: Here(s one I like and always fit down there. P: G(A). R: They say the baby pig and the mother pig were making Cause you know when a baby pig born, its features are different. P: G(A). R: Said you got to wait till the time come, you going to see something. P: So when the time come and the pig realize far, the fruit don(t fall too far from the tree. P: U(L). Yeah, right. R: You understand? P: Yeah, sure. S1: A proverb. P: A comparison. R: A proverb, U(L). P: Parables, yeah, that(s right.. R: Parables. P: Parables. R: Otherwise than that, this country is a nice, nice place. P: G(A). R: You have money, you come here. P: Yeah. R: The atmosphere, you know? P: Yeah. R: The atmosphere is great. Everybody P: When did you come back from the States? R: Well, from St, Croix, what is it? Two thousand P: Two thousand two. R: Ninety seven. P: You came back in ninety-seven. R: I stayed in St. Croix and I came here September, last year. P: OK. And how old were you when you went to Wyoming? R: I was about thirty, thirty-three years. P: Thirty-three and you stayed there for how many years? R: About two years. P: Two years. And then where did you go from there? R: I went back to Tampa, Florida. P: G(A). R: And I work with Florida Mine and Material P: How long were you there? R: About four, four years. P: G(A). R: Yes, two more sons out there. One seventeen, one eighteen, went out there now. P: I see. I forgot a couple numbers I wanted you to say. U(L). The number after nineteen? R: . Twenty. P:The number after twenty-nine. R: Thirty. P:The number after thirty-nine. R: Forty. P: The number after ninety-nine. R: Big O, one hundred. P: And the number after nine hundred ninety- nine R: Nine hundred, one thousand. P: That(s it. OK, that(s all I want. You see, just those words give me the whole, pretty much the whole U(I). R:L That give. P: No, it has nothing to do with intelligence. R: I heard something like that. P: I use those questions because they(re easy to. I get a lot of words in a short time. I manage to elicit a lot of words. R: So you(ll stay around. P: No, I(m almost finished. I(m going to do this. I(ll be back. I came here in nineteen ninety-nine. I was here three times. R: So what are you going to do with this. OK. I(ll take this home. I(m going to stop this. END