17 July, 2002 Molineaux Maria XXX 26 June, 2003 transcript/1 July, 2003 completed. P: Lee Pederson R: Maria XXX G(A): Grunt, affirmation G(N): Grunt, negation G(Q): Grunt, question, (Is that right?(; (You don(t say( G(V) Grunt, seeking verification. (Say what?( U(C): Utterance, cough U(F): Utterance, false start U(H): Utterance, hesitation U(I): Utterance, interruption U(L): Utterance, laughter U(M) Utterance muffled, inaudible. U(S) Utterance of surprise R: Me? P: Yeah. R: My name is Maria XXX. P: Yeah. And what(s this town called? R: G(Q)? P: What(s this place called? R: G(Q)? P: Where we are now. What(s your address. R: You mean where we are now? P: Yes. R: Molineaux. P: Molineaux. OK. Were you born here? R: Yes. P: When were you born? What year were you born? R: I born Nineteen Twenty-Four, eleventh of June. P: OK. R: I seventy-eight. P: OK. R: Yes. P: Great. Thank you. P: Did you work? R: Not now/ P: What did you used to do? R: On the estate. P: G(A). Tell me what you did. R: Supply and beading. P: G(A). R: Cane soda.. P: K. R: Doing everything. P: OK U(L). I see. R: But for now, I don(t. P: Now you(re retired. R: I retired.. P: That(s great. Tat(s excellent. R: My sight. I have to go get operation next month.. P: Oh, really. R: In Joseph Franz Hospital. P: Is that right R: yes. P: Where is that? R: Where is that? Joseph Franz?. P: Yeah. R: In Basseterre. P: In Basseterre, I see. R: Yes. P: I wish you good luck. R: G(Q). P: I wish you good luck, bon chance, good luck. R: All right. P: What about your parents? R: They died. P: G(A). R: Both sides. P: G(A). R: Both father and mother gone. P: G(A). Where were they born. R: Well, in between those stones, when my father died. P: G(A). R: My mother was carry me still. P: Yeah. R: So I don(t know him. P: G(A). R: But I know my mother. P: OK. R: But she die years now. P: Sure R: She done gone already. P: OK. Where was your mother born? R: really that I can(t say. P: Were you married? R: Me? P: yeah. R: No. P: OK. R: But have eight children. P: Really. Tell me about your children. R: G(Q). P: Tell me about your children. R: Tell you about them? P: Yes. How old they are. Where they are. What they do. Come on. That(s what I(d like to hear. R: On born nineteen-fifty-six. P: Yeah. R One born nineteen-forty seven and one born nineteen forty-nine. P: G(AQ). R: And the other one born is eighteen December. P: G(A). R: I had a nother one, but he died. P: I see. R: He died in Barbadoes. P: G(A). R: U(F) with a brain(s tumor. P: Oh, a brain tumor, I(m sorry to hear that. R: So he died. P: Yeah. . R: But out of the eight, three alive now. P: Yeah R: Two girl and one boy. P: OK. R: Yes. P: OK. What are they doing now. The one(s that are alive, what are they doing? R: You mean in work? P: Yeah, work. R: Well, the boy work at Frigate Bay. P: G(A). What does he do? R: He controller for the hotel there. P: Oh, the hotel in Frigate Bay. I see. R: Yes, and the girl, a domestic. P: G(A). R: And the other girl, she used to be on children occasion with food, but she took sick. P: G(A). R: So she aint do it anymore. P: Oh, I see. And the one who(s a domestic, where does she work. R: In Basseterre. Right here by College Street by a gentleman named Mr.XXX. P: U(A). R: Yes. She name is Estelle XXX. P: Estelle XXX, G)Q). OK. R: Yes. P: Now, tell me a little bit more about your workon the estate. R: The work? P: Yes. R: I finish. I finish. P: Yes, I know, but did you used to do. Tell me about it.. U(F). Just tell me about a day(s work on the estate. What you would do for a day. R: Well, my work was in the cane field. We had a driver driving us. P: G(A). R: We used to weed with hoe. Trash the field when they cut them. The cane. We drop soda; we hit cane. P: Wait a minute. Tell me about dropping soda. What does dropping soda mean? R: We dust the root of the cane. P: What does that do? R: G(Q)? P: Why? R: To build them up. P: Oh, to fertilize them. R: Yes. P: A fertilizer. I see, OK. R: Yes. U(L). P: A dumb question. R: Yes. P: And then what? R: But coming up, and coming up, and coming up, and they find out of the age of me now and dismiss. P: G(A). How old were you then when they found that out? R: Well, coming up then now, sixty. P: Oh, I see. Sixty. Is that when you have to retire, when you(re sixty. R: Yes. P: I see. I see. R: When you sixty, sixty-one, you(re coming up all the time in age. P: Sure. I see. R: I(m seventy-eight now. P: So you(ve been retired for eighteen years. R: Yes. P: I see. What did you do after the cane. R: You mean after everything dismiss with me? P: Yeah. R: Well, I went around, going around, doing different thing for people. P: G(A). What kinds of things. R: Me. P: Working around. R: Don(t know. P: OK. Now I(d like you to tell me what you remember about your childhood. For example, the school, where did you go to school? Did you go to school? R: Who me? P: Yeah. R: Down Esstridge. P: Estridge R: They had a school down there. P: How long did you go? For how many years? R: All right, well, mother took sick so I had to leave school to go keep up life. So in here, I don;t know [pointing to her head] much.. P: U(L). I(ll bet you do. I see. So you just went to school a couple years? R: Yeah, that was about all. Well, after the withdrawl[?], dismiss, I never reach a place in higher standard. P: Yeah. R: But she did send me to an educated man who used to keep evening school. P: I see. R: So I get a little bit more then. P: Oh, I see. How long did you do that. R: G(V). P: For years or just for one year? R: Well, coming up you know, I must have been something like seventeen. P: G(A). I see. R: Yes. P: OK. I understand. R: Yes. P: All right. U(F) As a child you just went to school a couple of years? R: G(A). Yes, because I couldn(t go no time. P: Yes, because your mother. R: She got sick. P: You had to help your mother. R: U(A). P: Did you still have time, though, to go out and play with the other kids? Did you play with the other kids? You know play games and things. R: For now? P: No, not now, when you were a little.kid. Small. No, U(L) not now. R: Yes. P: U(L). No, we don(t play games now. R: No. U(L). P: What games did you play? Do you remember?. R: We did ball, you fling the ball and catch it and so on. Wind ball. R: Did you play rounders? R: Rounders we put out the stone and we run around and so on. P: Yes. OK. Did you play any games with tops? R: Spin tops. Put on a string on top of it. P: Yes, yes. Good. Did you play any jump rope? R: Well, maybe, you know it(s so long, I don(t know. P: G(A). R: Because, you know, when you jump, you get your legs get a excercise, you know some peole are not for that. P: Sure. Absolutely. Well, what other kinds of things did you do as a child? Did you go fishing? R: Oh, no, no, no, no. I(ll tell you why. P: Never went fishing? Afraid of the water? R: G(A). U(L). P: U(L). OK. I(d like you to tell me some things about cooking. Tell me about some things you cook. Used to cook. R: Cook? P: Cook food. R: Food P: Yeah. The kinds of things. R: My cooking? P: Yeah. R: It was sometimes you know bananas. P: Tell me what you do with bananas. R: Breadfruit. P: Yes. R: And potato. And dashin, two kind of dasheen [taro] white dasheen and the one they(re green, tan yuts[?] look at this and you squash them like potato. P: G(A). R: Boil them and you squash them like you squash an Irish potato. P: G(A). Go ahead. R: And with the soup. P: G(A). R: Black-eye soup, finish up a soup with black eyes and make the soup. P: Black-eyed peas, you mean? R: Yeah. The peas. There all kind of peas. P: Tell me about some of the kinds of peas. R: Black-eyes, red peas, split, two kind of split peas, green and yellow. P: G(A). R: And they have another round one. P: G(A). R: But there was one they used to use with black-eye because they go pretty high. P: Oh, I see. How did you prepare breadfruit? R: Prepare it? P: Yeah, how did you cook that? R: Well, you pick it. P: OK. R: Then when you pick it, you slice. P: G(A). R: You peel. P: G(A). R: Take what slice you want in the pot. You make that. P: G(A). OK. Yeah. R: Yes. P: OK. Do you take anything out of the center? Do you take the seeds or anything out? R: In the belly. P: In the belly. R: Something in the belly, so you cut that out. P: You cut that off and do you cut the skin off too? R: Yes, you have to peel it there. P: OK. R: have to peel it. P: OK. Then you put it in the pot. R: Wash it, wash it, wash it. P: U(L). OK. R: You put it it in the pot if you are going to cook it dry or make your soup. P: OK. Tell me about the two ways. When you cook it dry how does that work? When you cook it dry? R: When it dry, you take your fork. P: Yeah R: And you test it. P: G(A). R: You take it out when it cooked. P: P: G(A). R: You put it into a clean plate. P: G(A). R: You have that for your lunch or your supper. P: G(A). R: You know what you want it for. P: OK. Y: Yes. P: Do you bake it? R: Some people bake but I never do. I have nothing to bake. P: When you say dry, sometimes you mean it(s just raw. R: U(L). P: Raw. OK. Now about when you do it in the pot. R: G(Q)? P: The breadfruit in the pot. When you put it in the pot. R: When you put it. P: Do you boil it? R: You put it in water. P: You put it in water to become soften. P: P: OK. R: You took it to eat. P: G(A). R: But when you are going to bake it yourself, you slice it. P: G(A) R: You have some people do slice it. P: G(A). R: Some just have to wash the breadfruit. P: Yeah. R: And put it in the oven and bake it. P: G(A). R: Like they do a potato. P: I see. R: And some people cook the potato with the skin on. P: Yes R: You have some people peel it. P: Right. R: When there(s soup. P: G(A). R: Or whatever, you have to peel it like soup. P: And some people eat breadfruit that way with the skin on. R: Yes. P: But you always clean the belly out. R: GG(Q)? P: You always clean the belly out. R: Yes. P: You always clean that out. R: Yes. P: Ok Meat. What kind of meat did you cook? R: Meat? P: Yes. R: Well, anyhow, some has butcher. P: G(A). R: In the market. P: G(A). R: We had some older one used to do it her. P: G(A). R: But he died. P: G(A). R: They have pork meat. P: G(A). R: Goat meat and sheep. P: G(A). R: And cattle. P: G(A). How about moneky? R: Oh, they live in the mountain. P: They don(t eat monkey meat? R: No, no, no, no, no. P: U(L). I heard about some eople who eat mokey. R: Yes. They have them in town there. P: G(A). R: They have people who sell people here for monkey and carry them to England. P: G(A) R: Yes, off with them, yes. P: G(A). R: But they live in the mountain up what they call level. P: G(A). R: Yes. Up in the mounatin. P: But they(re allover, aren(t they? R: Yes, all over. P: They(re a lot a Frigate Bay. U(L). R: Yes. P: U(L) A whole lot of them there. R: Yes. P: Did you ever have a garden? R: Me. P: Yes. R: I(m not living here now. P: OK. R: I coming here to do the laundry. P: Sure, that(s OK. R: This evening, when they(re dry, I(m gone. P: OK. R: Yes. P: How about a garden? R: G(Q)? P: Did you ever grow things in a garden? R: No, no. P: Never did that? R: No does me too much trouble and worries. P: Oh, I see. U(L). R: People have their animals and let them go. P: U(L). Not worth the trouble, G(Q)? R: No, no, no, no. P: Not worth the trouble. R: No, I don(t do that. P: OK. Now I want to ask you about the kinds of celebrations you remembers, especially when you were a child, like holidays. R: G(Q). P: Holidays, Christmas time, you know, they have the sports, like David and Goliath and do those. R: Well, them die out. P: Yeah, right, R: Those who play them, they gone beyond. They died. P: G(A). R: Only the maskers now with the feathers, the thing up in the air. P: G(A). R: And they would have some called Earth Follies. P: G(A). R: But Goliath, then done gone. P: OK. Go ahead.. R: And young people they don(t study that. P: G(A). No. R: They masquerade and join spears and clowns. P: Yeah. Right. R: And they troupe them, P: Right. R: Until Christmas. P: Right. And they go all the way around the island. R: Yes. P: Did you ever join in that. R: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. P: You used to watch. R: That be too much a trouble P: OK. But you used to watch it. R: Yes. P: G(A). R: Stay on one side and watch them. P: Do you know more about it? What they did? The David and Goliath thing. Worked. R: G(Q)? P: Tell me about it. Tell me about it. Kind of describe it. R: Well they was dressed in different cloths. P: Yeah. R: They have a mantles. P: G(A). R: They have a mantle made of wool. P: Yes. OK. Go ahead. R: A glass and they go to the store and they buy the pants. P: G(A). OK. R: And they dress up. P: OK. R: In woman clothes. P: U(L). R: They have look a slip. P: G(A). R: And down here trimming. P: G(A). U(L). R: And little piece of fur. P: OK. R: And the jockey, they had a stick. P: OK. R: They start to pow one another, pow, pow, pow. P: U(L). R: Put on drum. Hear the drum start, started to dance. P: G(A). R: That is Christmas. P: That(s the way the show went, G(Q), that(s interesting. Do you remember the Independence Day. R: Independence Day they have it here. P: Is it called something? August something? R: You go to town and meet people. They go to beach. Beach. P: Sure. R: And they come they make the music their own self. P: Yeah. R: Some, Independence Day. P: Sure. R:Done over. It(s done come already and gone. P: Oh, is it? R: Yes. P: I thought it was in August. R: Independence? No. P: I thought it was August Monday or something. R: Well, we have one more holiday. It(s next month. P: Yeah, And what is that called. R: August. P: August Monday? R: August Monday. P: And what is that? It(s no Independence Day, is it? R: No. P: OK. Do you remember Empire Day? R: Empire? P: Empire Day. Used to have that to celebrate Queen Victoria(s birthday. R: That(s what that was. She dead? P: Queen Victoria(s long gone. R: She dead. P: Yeah. R: She done dead. P: Yeah, she(s done dead. Now I wan to ask you something else. Do you remember when you were a child people used to talk about jumbies? R: Macajumby? P: Jumbies, yeah. Tell me what you now about jumbies. R: U(L). You mean macajumby, like a stick. P: OK. R: On a stick, they dance. P: G(A). Macajumby(s a dance. R: G(A).Macajumby. P: OK. R: But then you get them on Christmas. P: How about the jumbies, though, that are supposed to be out in. R: The other jumbies, you mean? P: Yeah. R: Well, some people say they come in the sleep and frighten you. P: G(A). R: Next morning say, know who I see? P: U(L), R: I see a face pretty soon, I sure you tell me. P: G(A). R: I catch the face (be)cause he done dead. P: Right. R: So it just have spirit now. P: Right. R: It(s walking still. P: G(A).And you call that a jumbie? R: U(F). Jumbie, yeah, jumbie. Done dead. He done dead. P: Yeah, done dead. OK. U(F). Did you ever hear of a jumby crab. A junby crab. R: A jumby crab? P: Yeah. R: Well, we have people that does could tell you. Long time I don(t see one. P: Yeah. R: I don(t know what it was. A crab. P: Yeah. R: But you catch them there along the beach. P: G(A). R: In a great bush. P: G(A). R: In the sand. P: G(A). R: But in between, you see them, You don(t see them down here. P: You don(t see them here. R: No. And you meet them when they reap in the cane; they get in there. P: I see. They get in the cane? R: Yeah. In there. P: I see. R: In there. P: G(A). How about a jumby fire? Did you ever hear of a jumby fire? R: Well, was one in in Conaree. P: OK. Tell me about that. R:Well, a jumbie fire. P: Yeah. R: The stealing business. P: Yeah, OK. R: And you go anywhere, you steal. P: G(A). R: They steal from Nevis. P: G(A). R: They keep jewel into a store.. P: G(A). R: And keep jewel and they went and they see who they are. P: G(A) R. They send down one terrible fire in Conaree. P: Is that right? R: When they come here or not. P: G(A). R: They come to a family. P: G(A). R: But after the family get to here what they thief. P: G(A). R: When they get back. P: G(A). R: the [inaudible] mostly. The jumbie looking for the fire. P: I see. R: See? P: Yeah. R: It cool down now. They went to the police in town. P: G(A). R: And the police went to the home. P: G(A). R: Saw it. P: G(A). R: It happen in Nevis. P: Nevis, I see. R:Nevis. P: You never heard of any jumbie fires in St. Kitts.. R: You mean here? P: Yeah. R: Not here. P: G(A). R: But they get a one here , a cattle here with a chain. P: G(A). R: Somebody who(s stealing, stealing St. Maartin. P: G(A). R: Stealing St. Thomas. P: G(A). R: And done guard. P: I see. R: Had to go back. P: U(L). R: U(L). P: That(s good. That(s very good. R: U(L). P: Do you remember, you may have done tis yourself, but certainly your mother had done this, when you(d get sick, she(d pick certain kindsof weeds, certain kinds of bush and make tea. R: Well they had heart sickness, they had a sickness, I don(t know. P: Yeah. R: They call it pressure. P: Blood pressure, OK, high blood pressure. R: And the blood pressure tell that the heart is bad. P: Right. R: She passed away from those two. P: G(A). OK. R: Blood pressure and heart trouble. P: U(F). Well, when you were raising your children, did you use any kinds of herbs or shrubs or berries or thing and mix it up to make a tea for, you know, for a tonic? R: Babies? P: OK Babies and even older. R:Milk. P: For colic. R: Milk from cows. P: Sure. Sure. Other(s milk. But how about things, you know, like different kinds of weeds and things. R: Tell me I mustn(t use nothing from the herbs. P: OK. Never did that then. R: Had a bush. P: Oh, I see. R: Not clean. P: OK, that(s interesting, but do you know what kind of bushes were there? R: G(Q)? P: What kind of bushes were there? Tell me the names of some of the bushes around. R:. U(L). P: Tell me what these thing are. That stuff right there. R: Well, we call them, we call them the tammaron. P: OK. R: May apple with the tammaron. P: Ok. That(s just what I want. Tell me some more. R: Elderberry wine that(s good for pressure. P: OK. R: Bartel [?], them smell sweet.. P: OK. R: And lemon grass.and all them there make tea. P:That(s what I wanted, the one(s you make tea out of. The lemon grass you make tea out of.? R: Lemon grass make down, nice tea. P: I see. Just regular tea. Yeah. OK. What kind of trees are there around here? Trees? R: Trees? P: Yeah, trees. R: Mango trees and breadfruit, fig trees.. P: Yeah. How about the flamboyant? Would you call that a tree? R: What? P: The flamboyant or pointsiana. Flamboyant. R: G(Q). P: Big red flowers. Blooming right now. R: You mean they carry flowers? P: Yes. R: Up that way in the schoolyard. P: Yeah. Do you know what they(re called? R: I don(t know where. P: OK. R: U there in the schoolyard; they(re red. P: What this yellow one, this yellow stuff right here? R:There. P: Yeah. R: Flowers. P: G(A). R: The fence break down so the flowers get in there. P: Do you know what they(re called? R: No. P: How about the big trees up there with the cocoanuts? R: Well, the cocoanut trees. P: G(A). R: They have coconuts in there and there and they pretty high. P: G(A). R: And they have what belong to the Romans [?] P: G(A). R: The Roman Free Church. P: Yes, I saw that over there. Do you ever call that a palm tree? R: G(A) P: What? R: Breadfruit tree. P: No, palm.tree. R: No, not palm tree. Palm this way. P: OK. You wouldn(t call that a palm tree. R: No. P: All right. R: About that tree. You get it in the mountain. P: OK. Could you tell me a little bit more about the village? Molineux. Tell me a little bit about it. How many people are here? And what do people do who live here? R: You mean in Molineux now.? P: Right. R: When you leave here, and you want go up top. P: Yeah R: There(s Phillips(s Village. P: OK.. R: You see? P: Yes. R: But from here and go back down there. P: Yeah. R: Village, Village Stone Haven [?] P: G(A). R: If you(re going back you can finish up, if you want to go that way. P: Yeah. R: You go right down, and when you go right down and be sure to turn that way. P: G(A). R: You be at Christ(s Church P: Christ Church R: Christ(s P: OK. R: Church. P: G(A). R: So you(re going through. P: OK. I see. Well, thank you. That(s interesting. Who lives in this house? R: The owner died. P: Oh, the owner died. R: Yes, but, her daughter. P: Yes. R: Her daughter live in Basseterre. P: I see. R: Yes. But the one up here done dead. P: Oh, I see. You(re just taking care of it for her? R: Well, I were here. P: G(A). R: But some fellows break in here one night at me, so I had to get out. P: Oh, really? R: Yes. P: You were here when they broke in? R: Yes, I was, living here. P: No kidding. R: Yeah. P: Wow. Tell me about that. R:When they come in here P: Yeah. R: These fellows, one walk, and they break in here one night at me. P: G(A). R: And when they leave [?] I had to go to the police. P: G(A). R: Had to cal the police and when they come, they take the items off everything and up to now won(t walk from it yet. [still frightened?] P: Yes. I see. R: So with my daughter. P: G(A). R: My daughter live below. P: Yes. R: But I just come here to do [slaps laundry]. P: G(A). R: Till two, three o(clock and I gone. P: G(A) U(L). You get out of here early, G(Q)? R: I get out. P: U(L). How long ago did that happen? R: That happen thirteen of November. P: G(A). Just last year. R: Yeah. P: Is that right? Well, that(s a shame. Well, who do these clothes belong? Are these your clothing? R: It(s mine. P: It(s yours, but where do you live now. Across the way here? R: Not this way. Below. P: I see. R: It(s big, you know. Big. P: G(A). What do the people do for work. What kind of work do people do who live here? R: Where? P: In Molineux. R: Here? P: Yes. R: Well, some of them work in cane P: Yes. R: When young. P: They work i that same estate you did. R: Molineux. P: The Molineux Estate. R: Yes. P: That(s called the Molineux estate. R: But it change over now. P: G(A). R: It is a new premier on. P: Yes. R: But in meantime it was all Phillips(s. P: G(A). I see. R: You see? P: Yes. R: It was all I tell you. P: We were up to Phillips R: You were there already? P: We were up to Phillips(s. We drove up. R: This morning? P: This morning. Yes, we drove up there and the roads were R: You went up in the estate yard? P: No, we didn(t go. R: The village up there. P: No, I just mean the village you pass as you go up. Up the road here, you know, and you go. R: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. P: And you pass. R: The road. P: What(s the estate yard like? What(s it like up there? R: G(V)? P: What(s it like up there? What(s there. R: In Phillips? P: Yeah, in Phillips. The estate. Is that the estate you worked on? R: Up. P: Yeah, up. R:Now they have houses now. P: G(A). R: So they can choose they(re done with P: G(A) R: So they don(t get no pay up there no more. P: G(A). R: But they get pay at Lodge. P: I see. Lodge Village by Otley(s. R: They change over now. P: They(re an awful lot of little villages over this way, aren(t there? R: Yes. P: So, this, really, most of the people who live in Molineux still work for the estate. R: Work for them. P: Work at the estate. R: Crop going in tomorrow. P: G(A). R: Crop done finish. P: Is that right. R: It done tomorrow. P: Is that right. R: Yes. P: They(re all finished. R: Yes. They start in February. P: Yeah. G(A). And do they have to rake out all the trash, or is that done already? R: What, the cane then? P: Yeah, the trash. R: In the truck, they have to rake. P: They have to rake it all out. R: But when the people have bundle. P: Yeah. R: To get out (be)cause they haven(t got no rake. P: G(A). R: But they chop. P: Do they usually burn the fields here? R: Yeah, they done burn them, all the trash. P: G(A). R: Three field a night, yeah, man, P: They(ve done that already. R: Yes. P: Now the next thing to do is planting. R: Crop is finish, but not until next year. P: OK. So next year they(ll be a, they plant in February? R: Yes, yes. P: Yes, yes. So they don(t do anything until February. R: Yes. P: OK. R: What island you from? What island? P: I(m from the USA. United States, America. R: G(A). P From the state of Georgia. R: Georgia. P: Atlanta, Georgia, it(s in the United States. R: You from there? P: Yeah.. I(m American. R: So you put up in Basseterre? P: Yeah. I(m staying in Basseterre, right. I(m staying at the Palms Hotel. R: Palms Hotel. P: The Palms Hotel right down at the circus. You know where the circus is. R: G(A). I know. P: Well, it(s right there at the circus. Palms Hotel. R: Pons? P: Palms P-A-L-M-S. Palms. R: Palms. P: I have been here four times. This is my fourth visit to St.Kitts/ And I always stay there. R: And yu don(t bring none of your family with you. P: No, my wife died five years ago so I don(t have much to do. My son and daughter are grown. R: Grown. P: They(re adults; the have their own children, you know. R: Oh. P: They have their own families. R: So whenever you want to come, you come. P: Right. U(L). R: No. U(L). P: I come when I want and go. R: Yes. P: But it is a lot of fun and I do enjoy it. I want to ask you something else. R: Now what time you leave? P: Leave where? To go back to the states? R: To go back home. P: Sunday. This Sunday. R: You here long? P: Came here last Friday, about ten days. R: Ten days. P: Yeah R: Do you your time when to come down. P: Time to come? I don(t know what you mean. R So maybe you won(t be back until next year, maybe. P: Yeah. R: So you don(t be back until next year again. P: No, I(ll be back in January. R: Next year. P: Oh, yeah. R: Could you please write me? P: I(ll be glad to. I want to talk to you a little more, but I will write you and I(ll send you a card from Atlanta. Would you like a picture post card that shows you what Atlanta looks like. R: You need my right name.Maria XXX. P: I(ll get it before I leave. R: You get it now. P: I(ve got it right on here. R: Molineux. P: Molineux, BWI. R: Molineux P: I met a man this morning from Upper Cayon, and he was interested insomething, so I(m going to write him and I(ll be glad to write you R: Molineux side, St. Kitts. P: Absolutely. Now can you think of anything, other things. What kind of fish do you prepare. R: Fish? P: Yeah, fish. R: Well, we catch the ballyhoos, gars, and have some jacks, but we get them from Sandy Point. P: G(A). R: The real fisherman they don(t carry no boat here. P: G(A). R: They go with a net. P: Right. R: And them catch, you know, like a sprat. U(L) P: U(L). Sprat(s a little one isn(t it. R:We catch them. P: G(A). R: But the real fish come from Sandy Point and Nevis. P: G(A). Things like snapper and grouper.. R: Snapper and gars. P: G(A). Gars R: Them things. P: G(A). Now another thing I wanted ask you about. What church do you go to? R: Well, I(m a Christian. P: G(A). R: So I go to Tabernacle, and our pastor is Pastor Phipps. P: OK. R: Yes. P: OK. And how often do you go to church? R: Every Sunday. P: All right. R: But we had rain Sunday. P: G(A). It did rain hard. Yes.. R: Then I went in the night.. P: G(A). R: Carry a bus. P: Tell me about the service. R: Nice. P: OK, tell me about it. R: It(s nice, nice, nice. P: Tell me how the service begin. R: Begin? P: Yes. Begin with music. R: Comes music and prayers and we who join we sing and everything. P: G(A). And after the singing(s over, then what happens? R: Well, after that he go on, get on to twelve o(clock, then around he call who need God. P: Right. R: Then we go up. P: G(A). R: Well, Sunday coming up, I(m going if I live. P: Oh, you(ll be fine. R: G(A). P: Could you tell me a Bible story, tell me one? R: Well. P: Tell me any one; tell me your favorite Bible story. R: This is one I believe in God, believe also. P: G(A). R: If it were not so I be told. P: G(A). R: God went and prepare a place for me and you. P: G(A). R: Then He come again unto himself. P: G(A). R: Call him Lord Jesus. P: Ok. R: Yes. P: Well, that(s very nice. Do you do anythingelse with your church other than the Sunday service. R: G(Q? P: Does your church have other activities beside the Sunday service? I mean do you have things during the week. The church. R: Yes, they pray in the week every night. P: Yes. There are prayer services? R: Yes. P: Every night? R: Every night, it(s a prayer meeting. P: It(s a prayer meeting? R: Yes. P: G(A). R: So they come in for practice for Sunday coming.. P: For practice, that(s great. R: Yeah. P: So really is more music and prayer. R: Prayer. P: But you don(t have the minister there. R: Yes, he does be there. P: OK. What does he do? Does he give a sermon? R: Well, he joins in. P: Oh, joins in. R: Yes. P: That(s nice. R: Yes. P: So he joins in a sings, R: Yes, he married and he has his children in the States. P: I see. R: Yes. P: His family lives in the States. R: Yes. P: G(A). Does he take long periods of time off to go visit them? R: Yes Yes. P: Where is the church located? R: G(Q)? P: Where is the church located? The church? R:Well, [inaud] P: OK. R: But it(s big. P: Is it right here in Molineux? R: Down that way, the left side.. P: It(s down to Christ(s Church? R: Past there. P: Past Christ(s Church. R: No. If you left Christ(s Church. P: OK. R: You going straight. P: When you go straight, you ain(t going, going (be) fore you get Sadler(s way. P: Yes. R: You see a road torn up. P: Yeah, R: You go up that road there and there the church sit. The church is right there. R: Is the church in Sadler(s then? R: No, Tabernacle. P: Tabernacle. R: Yes. P: Oh, Tabernacle, I see, of course. R: U(L). P: I was thinking Tabernacle Church, but that(s the village too. R: Yes. P: That(s the name of the village. Tell me about, something we haven(t talked about, animals. What kind of animals are there on the island? R: Animals? P: Yeah. Like mules. R: There were animals at work. But they shipped them away. P: When you were working on the estate? R: Yes. They were there; they were there. P: How did they use them? R: Yes. They had men up there feeding them, up in the yard. P: G(A). R: You see? P: Yeah. R: At that time before the mill. Had to feed them P: G(A). R: Power them like a mill. They feed it grass. P: G(A). R: Feed [Fill?] the mill with cane. P: G(A). R: And then they get molasses. P: G(A). R: Mix it up. P: G(A). R: Feed it in the trough. P: G(A). R: But for now they done with that. P: Where did they keep the mules? Did they have stables for them or keep them out in the fields? The animals. Where did the animals live when they weren(t working? R: the animals? P: When the animals weren(t working, where did they live? R: Well, they aint here no more. P: Yeah, I know. But, I mean, you know, when the animals were working on the estate. R: Oh, hauling cane. P: Hauling cane. R: Yes. P: Where did they keep them a night? At night. R: They had a shed. They had a house. P: Yes, a shed, that(s what I mean. R: They had a house. P: They had a house. R: Two men, two old men. P: G(A). R: To go there and provide the food. P: G(A). R: Yes. P: I see. So. R: But now everything done when the government take over everything. P: G(A). How do you feel about that. Is that good? R: Yeah, it(s a little better. P; D you hink life is better than when you were a child? Life easier? R: Well, men will say that. A little better. P: G(A). R: But some people would say where I situate that in some ways, in some ways. P: Yeah. R: It(s better. P: In what ways is it better? R: For when you are dead, look at me. They done had your burial money at factory. P: G(A). R: And whoever need when they put working is them going to claim it to bury me? P: G(A). R: You see? P: Yes, I do. R: So I still lose in a certain way. P: G(A) R: Because when I die them going to claim that. P: G(A). R: Her mother pass away. P: G(A). R: Then give whatever to bury me. P: I see. R: But before time, government used to bury. P: G(A). R: Yes? P: I don(t know. R: I telling you before time, government would take over your body and bury you. P: G(A). R: But not for now. They do what ever they wanted. P: Yes. R: But not for now. P: Yes. So that is big, that is an important thing, isn(t it? R: Yes. P: An important thing. R: Legal business. It(s little better. P: Yeah, sure. Can you think of some other ways that it(s better? R: G(Q)? P: Can you think of some other ways that it(s better. R: Yes. P: Tell me about it. R: Some, the house like now, you need anything. P: G(A) R: You go and you tell him and so on. P: G(A). R: You got a shelter. P: Yeah. R: You have better shelter. P: Right. R: Like a shelter. P: Right, yeah, I got you. R: Now, I(m telling you. P: G(A) OK.. R: And they try now. Up to last week. P: Yeah, yeah. R: I went. P: G(A). R: And they told e something now for me. P: Right. R: I had to hold up; I had to hld on. P: G(A). R: Give whenever they get you. P: G(A). R: Turn and call me. P: G(A). R: You see? P: Do you think they will? R: G(Q)? P: Will they call you? R: Until U(F), when they get through. P: G(A). R: They will call me. P: G(A). OK. R: So [I] have to wait. P: G(A). Yeah, OK. R: Does he going? P: No, no, no. [concerning driver honking from the van] R: Get you? P: No, he knows where I am. That(s OK. He might have honked at somebody else. R: He(s going on.? P: No, he(s a taxi [end] END OF SIDE A P: Where did you go to apply for this shelter. R: U(F). His name is Mr. Harris. P: Did you go by yourself? Or did you go with somebody? R: I go by meself. P: All right. U(L). Good for you. R: Fine. To ax somebody, they busy. P: G(A). R: And they don(t want it. P: Yeah. U(L) R: But I has to go. P: Right. U(L). Good for you. So you went there and they said they(d give U(I). R: .I went back Monday. P: G(A). R: Yes. P: And they said they(d get something for you. R:Get [inaud] P: G(A). R: And if they get some(thing), they(d know [?] P: Yeah. R: Yes. P: Well, that(s good. So that was just recently. What kind of a shelter to expect they(ll find for you? R: Well, they have two shelter. P: G(A). R: They have one they call (a half.( P: G(A). R: And they have one called (in-come.( P: G(A). Yeah. R: That(s a right-through house, (in-come.( [=shotgun house?] P: G(A). R: They have another one that(s half. P: G(A). I see. R: But it is one for the half. P: G(A). R: But me one, so the half suit me. P: Sure, sure. Is that right here in Molineux R: The half? P: G(A). R: They drop in village. They have some down there. P: I see. R: They don(t have to buy. P: G(A). I see. R:.Yes. P: Different places. Are there any other things that are better. R: G(Q)? P: Things that are better now. R: Yes. P: Any other ways? R: Yes. P: How about retirement? Retirement? Is retirement easier? You know, retirement. After you stop working. After you stop working, is it easier now than it was, you know? R: Retire. P: Yes. Does the government pay you a regular pension then. R: Forty. P: Is that a week or a month? R: A month. P: A month, forty dollars a month U(Q)? R: I mean. P:Is that enough for you to live on? R: No. But what I going do? P: G(A). R: Not go over them. P: G(A). R: Forty. P: That(s isn(t much. R: three meals a day, you know. P: Yeah. R: And we think them dear now. P: G(A). R: One in ten dollar, done. P: Yeah. R: For lunch, lunch, and dinner. P: Yeah. That(s about right. R: Maybe I see somebody that got something in their truck [troit?] that I(d like to have. P: Yeah G(A).. R: Have to buy it P: Yeah. R: But me(s one person I can(t tell. P: G(A). I see. R: I don(t let nobody know. P: G(A). R: When I need.. P: Well, that(s U(I). R: But if you give me. P: Proud, yeah, R: I would take it. P: Yeah. OK. U(L). R: God will bless you. P: OK. U(L). R: You know some people, beggar, beggar, beg. Not me. P: No, you(re a worker. R: Give me. You know what you give me. P: You(re a worker, not a beggar. R: You know why you give me. P: G(A). You(re a worker not a beggar. G(A). R: Only that. P G(A). R: Forty dollars. P: Yeah. That sure isn(t much. How do you get by? R:. G(Q)? P: How do you manage? How do you manage to get by on only forty dollars? R: How I manage? P: Yeah, how do you do it? R: You mean how I get it? P: Yeah. R: Well, because I went and I tell them about my difficult [sic].. P: Yeah. R:And I tell them how I working on the estate. P: Yeah. R They go through the book. P: Yeah. R: The go through the book. P: Yeah, and after they found.? R: They find out how long I was there, really.. P: Yeah, G(A). R: Send me the pension. P: So that(s how you got, it. I see. R: Yes. P: OK. Do you just try to buy your food at the market? R: Town. P: Yes. R: When I went to town. P: G(A). R: This month soonest; August I have to wait. P: G(A). Oh, I see. R: What let it be there? P: Quarter after eleven. Do you have to be someplace? R: Quarter after eleven. Close to twelve. P: yeah, well I have to getting back pretty soon. So let me just as ask, I just want you to do one other things for me. R: G(Q)? P: I just want you to count for me. R: G(Q)? P: I just want hear the way you pronounce things. It(s not a test, OK. R: G(A). P: Count from one to fourteen, loud enough so I can hear it, OK? R: Count from one? P: From one to fourteen. R: One. P: Louder. G(Q)? One, two three, four, five, six seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen. P: OK. Now say the days of the week. R: G(Q)? P: The days of the week. R: G(Q)? P: Sun-, the days of the week, R: Days. P: Sunday, Monday. R: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. P: Good, now the months of the year. Starting with January, months. R: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December. P: OK. When you talk about the month. It begins with the first. R: The first. P: Yeah, and then. R: The second, the third, the fourth, the fifth, the sixth, the seventh, the eighth, the ninth, the tenth. P: OK. Thanks a lot. That(s all I needed./ : . 60