Interview: 6 January, 2003 Initial Transcript: 10 July, 2003/13 July, 2003 Taylor(s Village St. Kitts Lee XXX: (P: prompter) Jennifer XXX (R: primary respondant) G(A): Grunt, affirmation G(N): Grunt, negation G(Q): Grunt, question, (Is that right?(; (You don(t say( G(V) Grunt, seeking verification. (Say what?( U(C): Utterance, cough U(F): Utterance, false start U(H): Utterance, hesitation U(I): Utterance, interruption U(L): Utterance, laughter U(M) Utterance muffled, inaudible. U(S) Utterance of surprise ( ) Deleted phoneme, word, or phrase SIDE A P: Do you know what the date is today? R: The sixth. P: Of January? R: January, two thousand three. P: All right, OK. And what(s your name? R: Jennifer XXX P: All right. And what(s the name of this community? R: Right here? P: Yes. R: Taylor(s Village. P: Have you lived here long? R: Well, long enough. P: G(A). R: I was born in Trafalger Village. P: G(A). R: I was living here and move to Lodge Village and then came back here and buy my own little place and opened my own little business. P: I see. Where(s Trafalger Village? R: That(s at the Carden Home [?} on the road, the infirmary. P: G(A). R: I don(t know if you know that place. P: How far would you say from here? R: It(s good way; the bus will have to take you. P: G(A). R: For instance, we have Fort Thomas Hotel. P: G(A). R: Around that region. P: Is that on the way to Lodge? R: No. That(s on the way to the other buses run on the West Line where the memorial is.. Where the college. P: G(A). Oh, on that side. I sew, like going around toward Challengers.. R: Yep. P: But it(s before Challengers though. R: Yeah, long before Challengers P: OK. OK. And where were your parents born? R: Well, my parents were born at the same village, Trafalger Village. P: G(A). I see. And when were you born? R: Nineteen forty-seven, the tenth of February. P: G(A). And how about your grandparents? R: Well, my grandparents, I didn(t know much of them. I born in forty-seven. Grandparents, one die forty-eight. P: G(A). R: And one die sixty-seven, so I would know my grandfather better than my grandmother. P: G(A). R: Now, on my mother(s section; I don(t know them. P: G(A) R: From Montserrat, so I don(t know them. P: I see. R: My mother married to my father, but did knew [NB] my father (be)cause when I born she was not with him. P: I see. And d you have any children? R: Six. P: Six? R: Yes. P: Tell me about them. R: Well, I have five girls and one boy. P: Five girls and one boy. R: Yes, ranging in the age from thirty-seven to seventeen and a half. P: What do they do? Are they all here on the island? R: No, four live here on the island; one is an electronic, he work for his own self. P: G(A). R: One work for Parnell [?] Foster, she(s an auditor. P: G(A). R: One work at the [inaud: e-ep-sip water tower?] at the airport, when you(re going out where pay the tax, you have to pay tax there. P: G(A). R: And the other one she goes to Washington Actuarial School. P: What kind of school is that? R: Washington Actuarial School. P: U(G). What is she studying there? R: Well, she is doing more than one thing. She is doing six exams.. P: G(A). R: This year which would be June. P: G(A). R: But so far, business management, you know, math. P: G(A). R: Those are the subjects she doing. P: But she(s thinking more of a business career. R: Yeah. P: I see. A business career. R: G(A). P: And where are the children who aren(t on the island? R: One in the States in Michigan. P: G(A). Where in Michigan? Do you know? R: No. I(d have to look U(L). P: That(s OK. I just wondered.. R: One in St. Eustatius. P: G(A). R: And those are the two that don(t. The other four is here. P: What is that a boy on St. Eustatius? R: A girl on St. Eustatius. P: What does she do there? R: Well, she work for herself; there(s this lottery place. P: G(A). R: There(s where she work where she sell lottery. P: G(A) I see. R: You buy the ticket and numbers and U(I).. P: Sure. Is that mainly a refinery there on St. Eustatius? R: yes. P: There isn(t much else, is there? R: They have other work what people do because they have what we do. They have housework. P: Have you been there? R: I(ve been there a couple of times. P: That(s the island, when I flew in yesterday. We went over an island before we came to St. Kitts, and I saw this refinery at one end fo the island, and way down at the other end of the island, there was a mountain. It(s that St. Eustatius? R: Yeah, it could be it. P: It has the mountain, the volcano, down at the far end. At the other end U(I). R: It could be or it could as well be U(I). P: Saba? R: Saba, yes. P: I didn(t know which one it was. R: Yeah. P: OK. And do you have any uncles and aunts still alive. R: Yes, I have uncles and aunts alive. P: G(A). R: The most of them is in United Kingdom. P: G(A). R: I think so. P: A lot of your family has moved. R: It has moved. It has moved. A lot has died and a lot has moved. P: OK. Are you married? R: Divorced. P: Divorced. OK. Where was your husband from? R: In here, in Taylor(s here. P: In Taylor(s, G(A). R: Yeah. P: What(s Taylor(s Hideaway? R: Well, what I must say, they have a hideaway, you know. We(re close to the sugar factory there, but so far there(s nothing there. P: G(A). R: This here was once cane field. P: I see. R: What(s now, as you can see, develop the village. P: Yes, that(s what Carlton was telling me. R: Yes, old can fields. P: But Taylor(s Hideaway, is that a residential area? It sounds like a tavern or a bar. Like Hernando(s Hideaway. R: Not really. Not really. P: G(A). R: Most people ask [ax] about Taylor(s. Some of them don(t even know about U(I). P: G(A). R: Where Taylor(s is at because it(s a small village. P: OK R: Once it was surrounded by a lot of cane, but now U(I). P: Yeah, right. Tell me about Harris [a politician on her T-shirt]. Do you support Harris? Tell me about him. R: Yes. U(L). This is the ministry for education. P: G(A). R: Education ministry. P: I see. R: Harris, he(s from [District Seven?]. Where we usd to live. He(s won his seat there twice. P: G(A). R: So once used to work in the police station there for the [inaud.]. P: I see R: Where I see him. P: That(s great. U(L). That(s good, now what(s the name of the town he lives in? R: U(L). He lives in Tabernacle. P: OK, Tabernacle, sure. R: Yeah. P: I know where Tabernacle is. Hello, how are you/ [daughter enters] S: Good morning. R: This the one that going to school. P: Going to school, G(Q)? R: Yes. P: That(s great. Got to go back already because they start right after Christmas, G(Q)? Well, OK, since we(re talking about school, how about your education. R: Well, I used to go to, there was a small private school, from that the teacher there name David. And I go, and the children would go from three to five. P: G(A) R: And after that, I went to St. John(s [?] Village school. (Sounds like St. Johnson) P: G(A). G: And from S. John(s [?] Village school, we had the senior school., P: G(A). R: It wasn(t like Basseterre High School over here. P: G(A). R: It was one thing, senior school. P: G(A). R: And from there I went out working, mostly in houses. P: Sure. R: Washing and things. And then my mom was an assistant nurse at the infirmary, it was a poor house. P: G(A). R: We used to go there, sisters, afternoons, and help her. P: I see. R: We from a poor family really, but still. P: But you are all working. Where is this infirmary, the poor house? Where is that located? R: That(s located, that(s the western side. P: Is that near Tabernacle, I mean, Trafalger? R: Yes. All that you get in Trafalger Village. P: OK. In that area. R: Yes. P: U(H). When did you open up your shop here? And tell me about it. R: Let(s see U(F), seventy. P: U(F) almost thirty years. R: No, Ninety-Seven. P: Oh, Ninety-Seven. R: Yeah. P: OK. About six years. R: Yes, I come to Taylor(s [P-0] Ninety-Six. P: G(A). R: And I open up [P-0] Ninety-seven. P: I see. Tell me about it. It(s a little, like, groceries ad U(I). R: Yeah, grocery because I sell mostly different things, it(s a mixed things. P: Oh, I see. Is it kind of like a little, in the states, we have the 7-11s, these little stores that are open at all kinds of hours. What hours are you open? R: Well, no school on, I usually open, the bread-man come, one come four-thirty and one come five. P: G(A). R: And I open five-thirty because they have men that works at the sugar factory. P: G(A). R: Well, they go for six so they go soon to be open. [NB soon=early] P: G(A). R: Ask them to come in and buy what they want. P: Buy things like for sandwiches? R: yes. P: For the day, G(Q)?. R: Bread and cheese. P: Yeah, right. R: Whatever. P: And how late are you open? R: It depends, it depends on how the sale is. P: Whenever you want, G(Q)? R: Sale(s slow, I would close early. P: G(A). R: Sale is fast, I would open late. P: G(A). R: Because people would be there. P: G(A). R: So they would be buying and I would open, so. P: Are you ever open on Sunday? R: Yes. P: OK. All right. And tell me about U(F) your religion. What church do you go to? R: Well, I go to the St. George(s Anglican Church. I was always a [NB] Anglican. P: G(A). R: Born and reared here so go to the same St. George(s Anglican. P: G(A). R: In between somebody would invite me to their church, and I would go. P: G(A). R: But I am strictly a Anglican.NB P: G(A). Is that an old church? R: Yes, it(s a very old church. P: G(A). R: Very old church. P: G(A). Where is that located. R: On, see where Church Street is? There(s church of a big clock facing that there. P: It(s right in Basseterre? R: Right in Basseterre. P: G(A). Is that the church on the, it(s like a park, one side. R: No. P: On a green. R: We are, you know where Cable and Wireless is? P: I(m not sure. R: Where you pay the bills. P: I think so, yeah. R: The telephone bills.. P: Yeah, OK. R: It(s on the road, just a few blocks off. P: Just a few block in from the coast. R: It(s not too far. P: G(A). R: Big clock. P: G(A). R: Come in from Forth Street, which is down, the clock is there. P: G(A). R: You come in from St. George Street, the clock is there. P: G(A). How far is it from the Circus? R: Not too far from the Circus. P: OK. That(s where I live. I stay at the Palms. R: Oh, stay at the Palms. P: Yeah, I like that. OK, anyway, that(s great. U(F). How old were you when you left school? R: I could remember I was sixteen really when I leave school. P: G(A). R: But that(s a couple years back so we have to check, can(t be sure.. P: No, that(s OK. But that(s when you went to school. R: Yeah, but I was sixteen. P: What did you do then? Did you start having a family then or did you just quit to work? R: No, I was working. P: G(A). R: I was working. P: G(A). R: They had some people around the Fort, name Graynash, they from Canada. P: G(A). R: I used to work for them even, going to school. P: G(A). R: I used to work at afternoons. P: G(A). R: Or go round, wash dishes or would make messages or do P: G(A). R: That kind of things. P: G(A). R: Eventually I get a full-time job from it. P: G(A). R: But work different places. P: OK. That(s great, so you did that until you got married and started a family, was that? R:: Even when I was married and had a family is only the last last hurricane we had I was still working at the Golden Rock Golf Club, bartender. P: G(A). R: And they just remodel it, when they remodel it, I didn(t get the chance to back there to work. P: Yeah. R: But I had my own little business. P: G(A). R: Which I used to close and come and work. P: G(A) So you(ve done that for a while. R: Yes, just remain in it. P: I se. Now just tell me a little bit about your experience cooking. What kinds of things do you like to cook? R: Nothing special. P: G(A). Nothing special. R: Anything what you put your mind to it(s that.. P: Yeah. R: You do. P: All right. Tell me this then, how you prepare goat. R: Well U(I). P: What kinds of things you make with goat. R: Well, you make many things with goat. You can stew it. P: Yeah. R: You can make goat water. P: Yeah. Tell me about that. R: The goat water, U(L). P: Yeah, I(ve heard of that. R: U(L). Well, some people, there(s different ways to make goat water. P: Yeah. R: Some people, because I would really, wash the goat in vinegar [note /w/] and salt. P: G(A). R: And clean it up because the goat is already butcher [0]. P: Yeah. R: You season it overnight. P: G(A). R: The morning, you get up, you put it on. P: Yeah, R: You let it boil. When it half boil P: Yeah. R: You throw in your breadfruit, something call breadfruit. P: Yeah. R: You throw it in, you let it boil, sweet pepper, thyme, and everything. P: G(A). R: You throw in some gravy brown in. P: G(A). R: Some people brown the flour. P: G(A). R: And when the flour brown, they mix it in some water in a little vessel. P: Brown it by heating it, you mean? R: Yes, put it on the fire. P: G(A). R: Put it in a dish or a frying pan on the fire.. P: Yeah. R: And then you throw it in.. P: Right. R: And the you throw it in with water, you mix it, it comes to a paste, you stir in that paste, and you throw it in the water for the goat water. P: Yeah, R: And it thicken it. P: Yeah. R: Some, they use two tablespoon of white flour. P: G(A). R: Mix it in the same paste. P: Right. R: And throw it in and that will thicken it. It boil it to how you want it. You throw in clove, some kind of spice. You throw in a little pepper. You throw in some dropping made from this flour. You can throw a little butter in it or a little cooking oil in it and you throw it in. When you boil, you turn it off. You sell that in small bowls. P: Oh, you sell it. R: Yeah. P: You sell it here, do you? R: Yes, P: Do you sell it in the morning? Do people buy it from you in the morning to take to work? R: That would only be on Saturday. P: G(A). R: Friday and Saturdays. P: G(A). R: Weekend, weekend. P: Does it have the consistency of a stew. R: Yeah. P: It sounds lie a stew, it(s like goat(s stew except. R: Yes. P: But you call it goat water because you, but you always use breadfruit? R: If you cannot get breadfruit, you can always use carrot, no problem.. P: G(A) R: We always love breadfruit, you know, West Indian. P: Yeah, sure. It(s kind of sweet and has the consistency of squash. R: Yeah. P: Doesn(t it? R: G(A). P: Right. OK. What else, what other things do you cook? R: Well, you know U(I). P: Can you think of some other things that you sell? R: Well, you know cook-up, like you say you will have rice, you will have chicken in it, you could have swordfish in it, something we call pig snout, come from pig, but pickle. P: G(A). R: Or pigtail. We use that as cook-up. P: You know how to spell that? R: We just say cook-up, C-O-O- U(I). P: U(L). How do you spell it? R: C-O-O-K-dash and U-P. P: C-O-O-K, cook-up, I see cook-up. That(s kind of like U(I). R: Rice and peas, different relishes in it. P: All kinds, like the snout and tail. R Yes. P: Ears and the jowls of the pig. Is it kind of like souse? R: No, it cook with rice, rice and peas. P: Oh, I see. R: But you might have different relishes at the table. P: I see. I see. You use that stuff just for seasoning. R: Yeah, yeah. P: What about souse? Do you ever make souse?. R: Yes, you could make from the pig. P: How? R: The pig foot, the pig ear. P: Yeah. R: The pig head. P: Yeah. And how do you prepare that? R: Everybody don(t prepare it alike. U(L). P: How do you do it. I(m just interested in how you do it. R: Well, you know, you wash the pig, like you(re going to season it. P: G(A). R: You want to put it on to boil. P: G(A). R: Well, usually, I put it on to boil; I let it boil, just one boil, that first water. P: G(A). R: Then I put it back on and I start it boiling, pick a garlic, put a garlic in it. P: G(A). R: Let it boil with that. Remember it(s a souse. P: G(A). R:L You try a piece of alms[?] It(s herbs. P: Yeah, I know. R: You try that. You let it boil. When it boil, and a little before you turn it off, P. Yeah. R: You squeeze a lime. P: Yeah. R: And you squeeze it inside the feet; it could be half a lime. A little pepper. P: G(A). R: And you turn it off. P: G(A). R: Now you could turn it off and you could squeeze in them. P: G(A). R: And you get two cucumber. You know this cucumber? P: No. Oh, cucumber, yes. OK. R: You peel it and you cut it, and you can put it. P: G(A). R: Or you could put it in it or to the side.. P: G(A). I see. R: And that(s what we call a souse. P: Do you eat that with, do you serve that in a bowl? R: Serve it in a bowl. P: G(A). R: And eat it with bread P: And hot sauce. R: Yes. People could cook. They could cook. P: G(A). R: Dumpling. P: G(A). R: From the flour. P: I see. R: And they could use it. P: As a side dish. R: Yes. P:You could make any kind of side dish. R: Yes. P: Do you ever sell that, prepare that. R: Well, I never sell it, but I make it for myself or if somebody come and they say that going to have something and they ask [ax] me if I can help them. P: Yes. R: With it or something. P: I got you. Is there anything else you prepare that you sell? R: Well. P: Besides that. R: Well, not really, just maybe fried chicken, you know. P: G(A). R: We fry chicken. P: G(A). R: But otherwise we sell bread and cheese, sausage. P: Yeah. R:: Bread and ham P: G(A). R: They chop off and just put it in the bread. P: But all these things like chicken and goats and sheep, that those things, you ave butchers to butcher them yourself, you don(t ave to butcher them R: No, no, no, no, no. I have butcher, P: You don(t have to do those things yourself. R: G(A). P: You buy the chickens. R: If we have a goat, we have a place called the Abertu [?] that butcher, that is out a Butler Estates. P: G(A). R: It(s an estate. P: G(A). R: And you carry it there and you pay twenty dollars and they butcher it; they give you back the goat with he belly and everything. P: I see. R: You pay somebody to clean the belly. P: G(A) R: And the belly is tripe. P: G(A). R: You can have it to chuck in the goat water. Some people like them. P: Yeah. R: (Be)cause the goat water, some people don(t like them in it. P: U(L). Chewy, G(Q)? It(s like chittlins. R: Yeah. P: Did you ever eat chittlins? R: No, didn(t. P: Chittlins are hog(s intestines, They take the intestines of a hog and clean them up very good and they fry them. R: G(A). P: In the Southern states of the US. It(s not tripe but it(s in the same general vicinity, same area of foods, I guess. But is there any other thing you make with goat? Besides we were talking about. R: Only unless, there(s another way, then. Some people they cook that on Sundays for a meal. P: Yeah. R: But they would have it season the same way, and they would have brown it or bake it in the oven. P: Yeah. R: And then they make a small gravy with it to make a paste or whatever they want. P: G(A). Yeah. R: On top of it. P:G(A). R: Those are the only ways that.I know to do the goat. P: I see. Now to switch a bit. Do you have a garden? R: No. P: Never had a garden? R: No. P: And you never worked in the sugar factory. R: No. I never work in the sugar factory, but I work with people who work in the sugar factory. P: G(A). What can you tell me a bout that work? R: You mean with te sugar factory? P: Yeah. What kind of work they do. R: Well, there(s different work. There(s machinery work in there. G(A). R: There are people when the cane going in, some of them weigh the cane. P: G(A). R: There(s different work in there. P: G(A). That(s the factory right over there. R: Yeah. P: Is that the place where you hear that whistle? R: Sometimes. P: I(ve heard it at night sometimes when they had a shift working. R: Yeah. P: G(A). R: You must ask Mr.. Richards take you there to walk around. P: Yeah. Gee, that(s really close, isn(t it. R: yeah. P: OK, then, will you tell me a little about your church, kind of describe the service, the church service? Did you go to church yesterday? R: No, I didn(t go to church yesterday. P: OK. R: I went to church four days and the Sunday before that. P: OK. Tell me about the service. R: Hmm, how I describe that now? P: G(A). R: Well, the service is, the books that they use, they are not like other churches. P: G(A). R: Right? P: Right. R: Some of the other churches you go and you sing from a hymnal book. P: Yeah. G(A). R: But that church, you use a book really, it(s not a hymnal book. P: Yeah. R: It(s different; it(s a song key, a song key book. They use that. P: Yeah. R: They read that again; they use, they would use scriptures from the Bible. P: Yeah. R: But it wouldn(t be the scriptures like the other church because they go by first trinity. The got a different thing. Like they got, if you have Easter, the whole of the Easter week, you would have a day in it. P: G(A). R: Where you would read from that when you go to church.do you know where to read and you know what to because when Easter coming up. P: Yeah. R: And you say, OK, they(re going to read from such and such a thing or they have it as a palm, as a palm thing. From Palm Sunday coming up. P: Sure. R: You really have to look to take it fro there. P: I see. G(A). R: Sometimes when you go to minister, he would have the thing on a board and you just look for it according to when he get on the pulpit. P: G(A). R: You already know when. P: What(s coming, yeah, the scheduling. R: Yeah. P: Yeah, that(s terrific, now, I wanted ask you. You(ve been to Eustatius. Have you bee to Michigan? R: Never been.. P: Been to the states any. R: Other daughter that gone, she go. P: G(A) R: Off there. P: Tell me where you have traveled. Tell me where you have traveled. R: Well, I travel to England, London, southeast. P: Is that right. R: I travel to St. Thomas, Tortola. P: G(A). R: I travel to (Eu)statius quite often. P: How do you get to (Eu)statius? Is there a boat, a ferry? R: Well, I don(t really go on the ferry, go on the plane (be)cause of the seasick. P: Oh. G(A). R: So I go on the plane P: G(A). R: But the ferry goes up often, yesterday, people go there to shop. P: G(A). R: But the people go to (Eu)statius go the to shop because the food there is the cheaper than the food here. P: I see. That(s about five miles or more. R: It(s more. P: It(s more. R: (Be)cause even in the plane, they say twenty minutes. P: G(A). R: But sometime it(s a little more than the twenty minutes. P: I see. So it(s quite a greater distance than Nevis. R: Yeah, it(s a greater distance than Nevis. P: Yeah. R: It(s a greater distance. P: And even nevis take you about an hour on the ferry. R: Yeah, it(s a greater distance. P: G(A) I see. R: Yes. P: Tell me about your to England, did you go there just once. R: No, I been there three times. P: For what reasons? How? R: One reason, my mom was sick. P Oh, your mother lived there, right. R: She lived in England for years and years, and Mom took sick and wished that I were there to see her. P: Sure. R: So I been there. I spent six months, and after the six months, and my sister, we knew the time. P: G(A). R: And we had another three month, so then I came home. I went back again, spent six months there with my mom. P: G(A). R: then, two thousand, she pass a way. P: I see. R: I went back for the funeral and I spent three months. P: I see. R: Since then I haven(t been back. P: But that must have made your visit to England pretty sad then, if your mother was sick. R: Yeah. P: But did you like England, otherwise? R: Yeah, I like it.. P: G(A). R: At first, first visit I had. P: G(A). R: I didn(t so like. I went about time it was snowing and so. P: G(A). R: But then after being back there for the summer. P: G(A). R: Even though, it was cold, it wasn(t as cold as before when I first went. P: How did you go? Did you go to Barbados to London? How did you fly fly to England from here.? R: Well, from here to Antigua. P: Antigua. R: And from Antigua. P: And it(s nonstop. R: Yes. P: I see. R: I went to Barbados because I had to get a, I was trying to get a visa to go to the States. P: I see. R: And I had to go to Barbados. P: I see. R: I get a visa for ten years. P: I see. G(A). But you haven(t been to the States? R: No, I haven(t been to the States. P: G(A). R: I been to St. Thomas, Tortola. P: G(A). R: And St. Thomas. P: Right. R: G(A). P: Tortola(s the British, R: Yeah, the British. P: But do you plan to go to the States, go to Michigan? R: Well, I think about it all the time. P: U(L). Don(t go up there and get cold. Go in the summer. R: U(L). P: Don(t go in the winter. If you go in the winter, you(ll be very cold. R: But even the summer sometime, when you(re alone traveling. P: Yeah. R: And you have to raise money. P: Yeah. R: Sometime you have to make for you, but you make it for the others, you see. P: Yeah. R: My problem. P: What struck you when you were in England, things that were so different from home? R: Well, the change. P: G(A). R: You know, we had a change in the weather. P: Yeah. R: And then being with your family there again. P: Oh, that(s nice. R: Yeah. P: But the weather, the season right now is about as cool as it gets? R: No, sometime it get, it(s hotter. P: G(A). But when does it get coolest, would you say? Around hurricane season? R: yeah, around that time. P: Yeah. R: Around it. Around that time. P: G(A). R: Around that time. P: Do you like to travel? R: Yes. P: Did you rally enjoy it? R: Yes, I enjoy traveling. P: Yeah. R: I enjoy traveling. P: Why? R: Just U(L). R: Just to see the scenery. R: the scenery and sometime it just need a break and you want. P: G(A). R: Too get out and enjoy. P: G(A). R: Traveling. P: G(A). Well, that(s great. Well, let(s talk for a couple of minutes, if you can remember, about childhood games. Do you remember some of the games you played when you were a child? R: Yeah, lot of games. P: Tell me about them. R: Lot of games. We used to lay a game call, you know, hide and sek. P: Yeah. R: It was go, and we had to hide, and this person had to catch us. P: G(A). R: In all the called it hide and seek. When you catch me I have to go and do the same thing. P: G(A). R: With you. P: I see. R: And we a game we used to play Peevit. And this Pee-wit game was simlar to that. P: G(A). R: Because you hide somewhere and then the person cannot find you. P: G(A). R: A When you do come out and give it up, they have to give you something in return. P: Do you know how you spell Peevit? R: I don(t know unless U(L). P: If you had to write it down, how would you spell it? R: I don(t know if you would spell it the same way as me, P-E-V-I-T P: Yeah. OK R: Or P-E-E-V-I-T. P: OK, That is great. That is terrific. R: Yes? P: And that was with smaller children? Do you remember any games you layed when you got a little older. Did you play any games with balls? R: Yes. We used to play bat and ball. P: G(A). R: Softball. P: G(A). R: We used to play U(H) rounders. P: Yeah. R: You hit the ball and you run and you have to stop and you stop on there. P: Yeah. R: If you throw the ball and you hit me before I reach on the stop, I out. P: G(A). You just use your hand to bat the ball. And the ball is. R: You. 352 P: A windball. R: A windball, but you use a bat. P: Oh, you use a bat. Did you ever play windball cricket? R: Yeah. P: Tell me about that. R: You play that just as West Indies play cricket. P: G(A). R: it(s one side against another. P: Yeah. R: And we played to see who get the most. P: G(A). R: You know when you hit, when they throw the ball t you, you hit it, you try to run, and get runs too. P: G(A). R: Sides score points. P: OK. Now let(s see, Did you play any line games, you know, where people line up? R: Tug of war. P: Yeah. OK. R: Tug of war. P: How did that go? R: One half, maybe my half have six and six on the other. P: G(A). R: And you have a rope. P: Yeah. R: And that side over there try, we have a line. P: Yeah. R: That side over there on the left hand side. P: G(A). R: They try to pull the side on the rope. P: G(A). R: On that side. P: G(A). R: And that side on the lefthand side get us over. P: Yeah. R: We go over the side. P: I see. R: We cross over the line. They win. P: OK. OK. That(s great. Now I want to ask you, a asked you before about jumbies. What do you know about jumbies. R: U(L). In old time days, you know, used to you know, might hear dog holler. P: Yeah. R: Might say well it(s, a dog holler, we say ghost. P: G(A). R: Or up at the burial ground, we used to live that way, and I used, we used, [be] [a]fraid, lot of us. P: Sure. R: A certain time, we used [be] [a]fraid to walk past the burial ground because some when you look you might see a shadow, you might it(s somebody dead, you call it a jumbie. P: I see. OK U(L). R: U(L). So that was it. Sometime you pass somebody who might have a white thing on. P: P: G(A). R: But the person pass so quick that. P:Yeah. R: It disappear. P: Right. R: That you say , I see a jumbie or you see a ghost. P: G(A). Did you know anybody, did you have any friends who really see a jumbie? Who really believed they saw jumbies? R: Well, yeah, I had friends who really believed that they see these thing but. P: G(A). R: Many times that we out. P: Yeah. R: In younger days, me and my brothers. P: G(A). R: My sister. P: Yeah. R: With friends used to say. P: Yeah R: Arm light, (Look at jumbie.( P: G(A). R: And would so [?] we would say (Mash the back of the heel( [?] P: G(A). R: So they mash and everything they hear, but I personal. P: G(A). R: Didn(t see them. P: I see. R: I personal, but one of my brother use to say that he would see them. P: G(A). Your brother saw them, G(Q)? R: Yes. But I myself never saw any. P: You mash the back of your heels into the ground and that is supposed to make it possible to see them? R: They used to say that. U(L). P: I forgot to ask you that. How many brothers and sisters do you have? R: Oh, three brothers and three sisters, P: G(A). And where are they? R: They in England. P: All of them. R: All of them in England. P: Both your, the whole family move over there. R: Yeah. P: Your mother moved then? R: Yeah. P: How come you stayed here? R: Well, at the time when my mom left. P: G(A). R: I had one child. P: I see. R: And I was pregnant. P: Were you the oldest? R: No. P: G(A). R: They had two others that were older than me. P: G(A). I see, but they went. R: Yeah, they went to England. They had chance to go to England. P: Sure. R: So they went to England P: I see. I see. U(F). Did you ever hear of a jumby fire? R: Yeah, I heard about jumbie fire. There was a lady, she was a nurse, name Miss XXX. P: G(A). R: Used to live at the village. One time she was in her place. P: G(A). R: And the place just started to catch a fire, just like that.. P: Yeah. R: They said it was a jumbie fire. P: G(A). U(F). And what(s supposed to happen in a jumbie fire? Do you know? OK, here. [someone enters; machine turned off for a moment] P: Jumbie fires. U(F). I(ll tell you what I wanted to ask you. In a jumbie fire do only certain things burn? Did you hear that? R: Yes. Sometimes, just certain things burn. Fire would burn certain things and leave certain things. P: Things that were stolen, maybe. R: Yes. Things that were stolen. Sometime when people steal things from people. P: G(A). R: And people said it. P: G(A). R: That this fire would burn these things, burn part of it. P: I see. Yeah. R( the fire. R: OK, and did you ever hear of a jumbie crab? R: No. P: Or any other kind jumbies? Any? R: No, only in jumbies, like I said. P: That(s as all. R: It was all. . P: And especially, like seeing light R: Yeah. P: Up in mountains. R: And they used to talk about jack-o-lantern. P: That(s what I meant. R: Which is a light that lead you P: G(A). R: Follow that light, follow that light, follow that light. You been till sometime the light lead you to a cliff. P: G(A). R: And you might fall over. P: Oh. R: Wouldn(t be fun. P: Is that right? R: But it(s a jack-o-lantern. P: But that(s an evil spirit. R: Yeah. That(s an evil spirit. P: Never does good. R: No. P: U(L). OK. Well, that(s great. I(m glad you mentioned that because that(s kind of what I was thinking about. R: Yes. Jack-o-lantern P: Yes. Can you think of any others? Nancy? Did you ever hear an Nancy stories, like a spider that was supposed to be an evil U(I). R: No. P: OK. R: Only read about that in book like. P: Yeah, yeah, I meant things they actually talk about on the island. R: Yeah. P: I(m not interested in that. R: No. P: Now, when you were growing up, was there anyone in the community, not a regular doctor, but someone you could go to to get cures for certain kinds, any kinds of ailments? R: Yes. P: In the village. R: Yes, it had people. P: G(A). R: Who used to like do their own remedy of things. P: Yes. R: You(d get cured for. P: Yeah. Can you think of any of those remedies? R: Well. P: Things they used. R: For instance, they used to have a bush. P: G(A). R: Call it a pevihedge bush. (See 459 below for her spelling) P: G(A). R: Used to go down to the bay side and you pick that bush. It grow like a hedge. P: G(A). R: And you have a lot of prickle on it. P: G(A). R: And fine leaf, you pick that. P: G(A). R: They used to pung them in a cloth. P: G(A). R: They get a clean cloth, a flour cloth, or linen. P: G(A). R: And they take the leaves and they punged it. P: G(A). R: They squeeze the juice. P: G(A). R: And they throw some salt in it, which is cooking salt. P: G(A). R: And they give you that, a teaspoon. P: G(A). R: Of that for certain amount of time, they gauge the time and they give you. P: Oh. I see. R: People used to use it for cold, especially when they say you have tuberculosis or something, or TB. P: Right. R: People used to use that. P: G(A). R: They used to use again like mixtures with bush. They had a U(H). P: That(s good. R: They some funny little thing, I forget the name of it. P: That(s OK. R: It(s a berry that you squeeze it. P: G(A). R: And you mix it with the molasses that come from the sugar factory. P: G(A). R: And people used to clean mouth with it. P: G(A). R: Used to prevent thrush and breath of mouth. P: What was the first thing you said before breath of mouth? R: Thrush. P: What(s that. R: Some boils used to come in your mouth prevent you from. That come on your tongue. P: Thrush. R: yeah. P: And how do you spell that other thing that pree U(I). R: Peeri edge? P: Yeah, how wold you spell that. Just give your gues how to spell it. I don(t if it(s right or not. Just your guess because your guess will give me a clue as how to find it, you know. R: OK, let(s put it this way. P: G(A). R: P-E P: G(A). R: V-I-H-E-D-G-E P: OK. Great, hedge, I got you. You(re a good sport. I appreciate it, I really do. Because I(m not giving a spelling test, you know, I(m really just trying to get some kind of line, you know, how to find the thing somewhere. Well, that(s terrific. Can you think of any other roots or herbs that were used for curing things? Did your mother ever make anything? R: Yeah. Mom used to do those things. That(s how I have them. P: G(A). R: Mom used to do those things. P: Yeah. R: There are so many thing she did do, don(t come to me now. P: Sure and you forgot about, sure.. R: G(A). P: I understand. R: Mom used to do, me and my sister used to go and look that bush. P: G(A). R: When we have a sore eye again. P: Yeah. R: When you get a eyes, them sore. P: Yeah. R: They used to have a bush. They call it U(H). Something like a jumby bead bush. P: Yes. R: They used to have that. P: Yeah, I(ve seen that. R: You go and scrape; pull the bush from the ground. P: G(A). R: And you scrape it and you wash it. P: G(A). R: And you scrape the root. Put it in water. P: G(A). R: And you wash your eyes in it for three mornings, and the bush used to cure your eyes. P: Is that right? R: Yeah. P: I see. That(s interesting. R: Those day they didn(t have much of eye drops. P: Right. R: It could be. P: At the drug store, G(Q). R: Yeah. P: how about the chemist, the pharmacy? They call them chemists or? R: Yeah, yeah. P: In St. Kitts. Yes? R: Yes. P: I wanted to ask you one other thing. Did they have a midwife in the village? R: Well, they had more than one. P: G(A), R: Because Miss XXX. P: G(A). R: Which was a midwife. She deliver me with babies.. P: G(A). R: And Miss XXX who pass away last month. P: G(A). R: But Miss XXX is still alive. P: G(A). R: She deliver me with babies. P: G(A). R: And the had many others; they had midwife name Nurse XXX. P: G(A). R: Every year she used to get U(H) Midwife award. P: Is hat right. R: Because she tend to a lot of people; she get deliver a lot of babies. P: I see. R: She was real good. P: I see. You never had to see a doctor at all when you were pregnant? All you had to do was work with the midwife. R: No, you don(t work with the midwife. P: G(A). R: You used to have to go to a clinic. P: G(A). OK. R: And the clinic would examine us. P: G(A). R: And tell us which midwife we could check in with. P: I see R: And we tell her, we go to her and tell her when we would expect. P: I see. R: And she would tell us what and what and when to go to the doctor. P: I see. R: And what the doctor. P: But who delivers the baby?. R: The midwife. P: The midwife. R: Yeah. P: So it really does cut down on medical expenses, doesn(t it. R: Yes, it cut down on medical expenses. P: G(A). R: That was in those days. P: Right. R: But there was a hospital where call Cunningham Hospital. P: G(A). R: And it(s really the Fitzwilliam College is right there. P: Yeah I know where that is, near Five Ways.. R: Yeah. That was a hospital. P: G(A). R: And we used o go there because my first baby born there. They never deliver you. P: G(A). R: In old time, they U(I). P: G(A). R: They would deliver you of the first or last baby. P: G(A). R: But after Cunningham Hospital was built. P: G(A). R: You have to go there for to get your first baby. P: G(A). R: And then your second, when you don(t have a problem. P: G(A). R: The midwife deliver it. P: I see. I see. That(s good. That(s interesting. Yeah, I know that area very well. Do you know Merchie? Merchie own the Five ways. R: Oh, yes, yes. Merchie, I know. P: He(s a good friend of mine. R: He(s a nice fellow. P: He really is a good guy. I was telling Carlton this morning that Merchie has a cab now. He has a white van so he(s going in to the cab business. U(L). He knows everybody. I was sure you knew him. R: U(L). P: Everybody knows him. I told him he should run for Prime Minster. He knows everybody on the island. R: Yes, but some know everybody and run for Prime Minister and still don(t get. P: U(L). Yeah. That(s true. R: U(L). P: I(ll tell yo what I wanted to ask you about what the carnival is like. You remember what the carnival was like when you were a child., you know, when you were young. Can you describe that for me? R: Yeah, well, the carnival, when I was a child, in the days for the carnival, it was something as it is now, G(Q)? P: Yeah. R: Except you had more folklore, which is more culture. P: Yes, right. R: But the culture is in it.. P: G(A). R: But now even the culture it would have more troops. P: G(A). P: G(A). R: In side of it, but when I was growing up, they had the Big Drum [?].. P: G(A). R: Which you have David and Goliath, the Queen of Spade [?], Mummies. P: Yeah. R: And those kind of things. P: G(A). R: Now you would have some of them, but wouldn(t have all of them. P: You said you the big? R: The Big Drum. P: The Big Drum, OK. R: G(A). P: That(s when they have the Mummies and the David and Goliath.? And they(d go around. R: Yes. P: Did you ever go around, participate in that? R: No, I never, but I go to se, I go out to see, P: Yes. R: What goes on. But I most love the masquerades. P: Ye, Right. Tell me about hat. R: U(L). The masquerade is U(H), you know, people like me. P: G(A). R: And they dressed in pretty clothes. P: G(A). R: And then they have a skirt. P: G(A). R: They make a skirt. P: G(A). R: It would have on a lot ribbon. P: G(A). R: And a cape to the back. P: G(A). R: Which would have a lot of ribbon. P: Yeah. R: They have a heart, which have a lot of peacock feather. P: G(A). R: In it and they drop around. P: G(A). Oh, I see. R: And U)I). P: And those are like those things you e, people paint those. R: Yeah, yeah. P: Draw those, you seen them on, whenever they talk about St. Kitts they show them. R: Yeah. P: OK, But what(s the carnival like now? R: Well, for the carnival, right now, it have more people. The former good, it would have children carrying it. P: Yeah. R: And the would have a lot of children from different school. They would have Irishtown School, Roman School, the Convent School. Sand each school had a troop. P: G(A). R: And they call that the Children Carnival. Then they would have some folklore in between. P: G(A). R: Those troops, The big people now have like. For instance, I own that place. P:G(A). R: And they might want to make a name and we form a group from there. P: Oh, sponser. R: Yeah, and we go out. P: G(A) R: have a sponsor and we have a troop from there. P: G(A). R: They would do the same with you. P: OK. R You form a thing and you go out there. P: I see. OK. Did you U(F), like this years, did you go into town at all for the carnival? R Yeah, I went into town on New Year(s Day. P: OK. Tell me what it was like. R: It was OK. Didn(t have no children carnival. P: OK. G(A). R: But it had U(H) clowns. P: G(A). R: It had macajumby, people with stcik. P: G(S). R: Tall stick. P: Now where was this? Around the circus. R: Different places. P: All over, G(Q)? R: Yeah, they start from up at the burial ground. P: G(A). R: And they come down from. P: That far. R: Yes. And the park there [?] P: G(A). R: Where William Connor School is. P: Yeah. R: They start from there and they come all the way down into town and. P: G(A). R: Zed to Zed, program them. P: G(A). R: And that was how it is. P: Oh, I see. And how about the beauty pageant? They crown Miss St. Kitts. R: Miss St. Kitts, yeah. P: U(I). R: That have to do with before the New Year(s Day because. P: I see. R: Because the Queen have to go out on New Year(s Day on the carriage. P: But. R: Like the Calypso King. P: Yeah. R: He have to crown her too. P: I see. R: Somewhere between the twenty-eighth or the twenty-seventh. P: I see. R: Special. P: So that is all over on New Year(s Day. R: Yeah. P: New Year(s Day is the last day on the Carnival. R: No, the second. After New Year(s, the give P: OK. R: To the next day. P: I see. R: It(s a holiday. P: It(s Thursday. R: Thursday, so they had that day. P: Yeah. R: For holiday. P: So people had to go back to work on Friday? R: Well, sone people. P: That would be bad U(L). R: Some people. Some, then they have the U(H)have the prize-giving ceremony. P: Yeah. R: Which maybe that might be Thursday. P: What(s that? R: Well, well, they going for Warner Park. P: G(A). R: And they give out the prizes like. P: G(A). R: Like which two come first. P: Oh, I see. R: And what money they would give them all. P: For the performance. R: Performance. P: OK. I see. R: Who was the best performer? P: G(A). I see. That(s nice. R: The costume who U(I). P: G(A). R: Who have the best costume in those kind of thing there. P: OK. Would you say that this years carnival was better than average? Or not as good? R: Well, not really, but according to circumstances, they were saying, like sponsorships and U(I). P: And so, the economy. R: Yes. P: Down a little bit, G(Q)? R: Yeah. P: Yeah, well, that would make sense. Now I just want to ask you a couple more things. I wanted to ask you about, U(F). Can you tell me anything about sugar terms, I mean, terms that you(ve heard, that deal with sugar production, whether in the field or in the refinery? R: Well, a this point in time, you know, they have a problem with the sugar. P: G(A). R: But years back, sugar is what we lived by; that was one of our main crops. P: Sure. R: Sugar crops. P: G(A). R: And even to that they have a problem with it. P: G(A). R: They wouldn(t just finish away with it. P: G(A). R: Right now. P: G(A). R: Because there are men who work who have thirty, thirty-five years. P: G(A). R: At the sugar factory. P: G(A). R: Thy go from school day. P: G(A). R: They used to call it like an apprentice where you go to work as a small boy in the sugar factory. P: G(A). R: And from working there, you get position, move according, move according. P: G(A). R: Till you become a full-grown worker there. P: Yeah. R: And yet the whole wage for your money. P: G(A). What was the problem you spoke of? What(s the problem now with the sugar? R: There wasn(t getting enough sugar. P: G(A). R: In all of the fields they(re going, they would rotten, which they wouldn(t be a proper leaf. P: G(A). R: Wouldn(t be a proper leaf.. P: G(A). R: When you cut the cane, the cane shoot back off its own. P: G(A). R: So. P: G(A). R: And sometimes and the cane shoot back and they check them. P: G(A). R: they got to drop soda in between them. P: G(A). R: They find that a lot of them wouldn(t come the way in which. P: Oh, I see R: The way supposed to come, so you don(t get much sugar from them.. P: Is it something that have to rotate the crops and R: Yeah. P: And clear it out. They don(t burn it here, do they? R: Yeah, they do burn cane, but the cane that they burn, they make sugar from it. P: G(A). I see. R: Burn cane sugar which they say you work harder. P: G(A). R: Because the cane burn. P: Oh, I see. OK. [tape stopped for a second] Tell me about the words they use, like we said magasse, bagasse, what do you call it? R: The same. P: You use both words? R: Use both words. P: Say one of the words. R: Bagasse. P: Or. R: Magasse. P: You use both of them. R: Yeah. Us both of them. P: U(H), Can you tell me U(F) what kind of trees grow around here. Tres and bushes, weeds and grasses, just some things. R: We have different trees. We have fig tree. P: G(A). R: It have pear tree. It have bush like hair, they call horse rubdown. P: G(A). R: It have the same jumbie bead bush around as fence. P: Yeah. R: We use that as cold oil, if we have a cold. P: Right. R: It have a prickle head tree that grow on the ground. P: G(A). R: And Good Friday. P: G(A). R: You go out, we call it a sissel tre (thiste tree?). P: G(A). R: You go out and you pull the tree and you underneath the tree and you get coals from it. P: G(A). R: Just like on Good Friday, you put a glass of water out in the sun. P: G(A). R: And you get a fresh egg that has fallen late. P: G(A). R: The egg have to lay the same day. P: G(A). R: And you bore two hole in it. P: G(A). R: And it drop the white inside the hot water P: G(A). R: In the sun. P: G(A). R: And you get a ship or a boat END OF SIDE A SIDE B P: Any other bushes or grass? R: You have grass, lots of long grass and the nutgrass. P: G(A). R: The nutgrass is something you find a lot of those. P: G(A). R: Even in garden where they have to dig them out. You find a nut on it. P: Yeah. R: Nut cannot eat, just U(I). P: G(A). Yeah. R: You know, the name nutgrass. P: Yeah. R: It have weeds. It ,might have like a kind of fatback bush. The leaf broad. P: G(A). R: But it a weed and they grow on the ground which I have to clear out. P: It(s called fatback? R: Yeah. P: Yu don(t it eat. R: No, no, no, no, no. P: Fatback. Do you ever call pork, that part of the hog, fatback. R: No. P: You don(t know it as a food at all. R: No, no, no, no. P: OK. Now just these last three things I want to ask you about. Birds, what kind of birds are there on St. Kitts. Name the kinds of birds that come to mind. R: We have pigeon; we call it a bird. P: G(A). R: It have some tall bird that standing on the field; they eat the ticks. P: G:(A). R: From the animal. P: G(A). R: We call that a bird, too. P: G(A). R: They call those garlands. P: G(A). R: Because they(re so narrow and so hard. P: G(A). R: It have one P: How do you spel that, garland? R: Well maybe its G-U-A-L-L-I-N. P: G-U-A-L-L-I-N, Ok. R: G(A). It(s a guallin bird, a hard bird, it(s a tall bird that pick the ticks. P: G(A). R: It(s from the animal, goat sheep. Anything. P: G(A). R: It have a ground owl. P: G(A). R: Which they always on the ground, children they shoot them, the catapault. P: G(A). Yeah, yeah, the slingshot. R: The slingshot and they clean them up and they cook them, and the fry them. P: G(A). R: And they have some other small birds, which I don(t really know the name, but they flourishing around, but I don(t know the name. P: How about birds down at the beach? Down over the water? R: I know they call them pickey bird, but they have another name for them. P: Yeah. R: They would have another name for them. P: G(A). R: And they have the booby. P: Yeah. R: In the water. P: U(L). R: Th booby, find a lot of those, even down at the bay. P: G(A). R: Fisherman comes in. P: G(A) R: They come up to get the fish. P: G(A). R: They call the booby birds. P: Booby birds, pelicans. R: Pelicans, yeah. P: Right. That(s great. How about fish? What kinds of fish do you like, especially? R: I love goatfish. P: G(A). R: And I love doctor fish. P: OK. R: I love snapper too. U(L). P: G(A). What(s goatfish? R: It(s a kind of fish is shaped; it(s a smooth fish. P: G(A). R: It could be, some of it could be pink and white. P: G(A). R: And they have pink with a little stripe of orange inside of it. It have two mullet. P: G(A). R: Two long thing, like a feeler, like a mullet. P: G(A). R: It(s a goatfish. P: And you have a mullet. R: Yeah. P: Are there mullets? R: The mullets is the family too, the same thing. P: All right. That(s good. R: And there(s a mullet fish. P: Yeah. I know mullets, sure. R: Same as a goatfish. They cousins that people eat. P: OK. How about grouper? Do you like grouper? R: Not so much I love a grouper. P: P: G(A). R: I know grouper fish, but not so much I love of the grouper. P: I had grouper last night, wonderful. R: What you have it stew or. P: No, I had it, like broiled, at the Fisherman(s Wharf. It was really good. How about animals. What kind of animals are there o St. Kitts? Now we(ve been talking about some of them but. R: You have cattle. P: Yeah. R: You have donkey. P: G(A). R: You have horses, you have, including pig too? P: Sure. R: You have pig, you have sheep, you have goat. P: Yeah. How about wild animals. R: Well, we have wild animal. You have some wild thatwild. P: Yeah. R: Same as goat. P: Yeah. R: Sometime my neighbor have wild goat that sometimes weeks and week they can(t catch it. P: Yeah. R: They just wild, they can(t get close to them. P: Right. R: Those are the only wild animal I know; they have boar hog. P: OK. R: They should be wild. P: How about mongoose. R: Yeah, we have mongoose but not around here. P: G(A). R: But I don(t se then now, G(A). R: But over where you find a can field, you would see a lot of mongoose. They see a lot of centipede, a long insect it have forty claws. P: G(A). R: They sting very hard, but none never sting me. P: U(L). Do you have any snakes. R: Well, once ago [NB], I used to see snake, but a long time I haven(t heard anybody talk about snake here. P: Is that right. R: But in St. Eustatius I seen a snake there and I(ve seen guana. P: You have lizards? Yeah. R: You have lizards, a lot of lizards. P: G(A). R: You have wood-slave. P: What(s that? R: it(s a brown little animal. It live, the same as a lizard.( P: G(A). R: But it lives in house that clean insects and stuff from the house. P: Oh, is that right. R: Spider and flies and things. P: That(s wht a wood-slave. R:The wood-slave. P: That(s cute; I never heard that. R: G(A). P: Here(s the last thing we are going to do. First, i want you to count for me. This is for pronunciation. All of these things are just for pronunciation. I want you to count for me from one to fourteen slowly. Just count. Just one, two, three. OK. Out loud. R: Oh, out loud.U(L). P: U(L). OK. R: One, two, thee, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen. P: The number after nineteenn. R: Twenty. P: After thirty-nine. R: Forty. P: The number after sixty-nine. R: Seventy. P: The number after ninety nine. R: A hundred. P: The number after nine hundred and ninety-nine. R: Two thousand U(L). P: Now there(s another way of counting than what we(ve been doing. Lik today is sixth of the month. [Tape recorder off for a moment] R: First, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, seventh, ninth, tenth. P: Now the days of the week. R: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday Saturday. P: And the months of the year: R: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December. P: Great. Now I just forgot one thing to ask you one thing. What can you tell me about the worst hurricane you remember? R: The worst hurricane that that I could remember was Hugo. P: G(A). R: That was I think the eighth of October, nineteen seventy-four. P: G(A). R: That was the worst one I could really remember. P: Did it really come over St. Kitts, do a lot of damage? R: Yeah, it had a lot of damages. P: Where were you? R: At that time I was in Conaree. P: G(A). R: I was visiting a friend in Conaree. P: U(G). R: And there(s where it hurricane in her kitchen. P: G(A). And you stayed here. R: Stayed there. P: How long did it last? R: It last for a long time because after the hurricane ease up we had a lot of tremor. P: Yeah? R: It was earthquake that shake. P: That must have been awful. R: Yeah, that was seventy-four. P: Well, listen, I want to thank you so much. That(s all I have. 71