Record 15. 1/07/03. Conaree., Kerry XXX. F. 22 POB: L. Ed. 12th grade. Occ: Hotel work. YA: 0/short trip to nearby islands. Ancestry: L. unmarried Interview: 7 January, 2003 Initial Transcript: 23 July, 2003/ Conaree, St. Kitts Lee XXX: (P: prompter) Kerry XXX (R: primary respondent) Kerry(s sister (S: secondary respondent) unidentified male (S2 tertiary informant) G(A): Grunt, affirmation G(N): Grunt, negation G(Q): Grunt, question, (Is that right?(; (You don(t say( G(V) Grunt, seeking verification. (Say what?( U(C): Utterance, cough U(F): Utterance, false start U(H): Utterance, hesitation U(I): Utterance, interruption U(L): Utterance, laughter U(M) Utterance muffled, inaudible. U(S) Utterance of surprise ( ) Deleted phoneme, word, or phrase SIDE A P: I want to ask you first, where were you born: R: I was born in St. Kitts, but I born hospital in town but I(m from Conaree. P: G(A). What(s your name? R: Kerry XXX. P: OK. And how old are you? R: Twenty-two. P: Twenty-two, all right. What(s your occupation? R: Right now, I going to get a job with Marriott. P: G(A). R: Start training. P: You are going to work at Marriott? How long did you go to school? R: Well, I went to the last form. High school. P: G(A). OK. And how old were you when you left there. R: U(H). Eighteen. P: Eighteen. OK. What high school did you go to? R: Masters Senior High School P: Now, tell me about your friends. Are most of your friends in the neighborhood, are most of your good friends from around here? R: A couple of them. P: OK. Are you married? R: No. P: Do you have any children? R: I have one. P: Is this your [of a baby nearby] R: No, she gone to school. P: OK. That(s a cute little baby. OK, tell me about your parents. Where was you mother born? R: Conaree P: OK. R: St. Kitts P: OK. And how about your father. R: Same place. St. Kitts. P: And did you know your grandparents? R: Yes. P: Tell me about them. R: U(H). I never sen them with me father (be(cause she went away when I was small, so I did(t. P: OK. Were your grandparents from Conaree also. R: Yes. P: U(G).. Have you ever been off the island at all. R: Yes. P: Travel where. R: Antigua, Anguilla, St. Martin(s, Eustatuius P: OK. Just for short visits. R:Yes. P: OK. That(s good, How long did you stay in Anguilla? R: Anguilla? P: Yes. R: About a week. P: G(A). R: Maybe longer. G(A). R: And I stayed a couple of days in Antigua. P: G(A) R: And one in (Su)stai(us) and a couple days in St. Martin(s. P: G(A). Do you have any relatives on other islands? R: Yes. P: Where? R: Montserrat, Anguilla. P: G(A). R: And the United States. P: G(A). Do you have any brothers and sisters? R: Yes. P: Tell me about them. R: Let me see, my sister a lot more; I got five sisters and about six brothers. P: G(A), OK. Tell me about them. U(F). Tell me what they do and where they live. R: Well U(H). P: Tell me about all of them. R: Well, one wrote last year from (Wis)consin. P: G(A). I(m sorry. R: I have a sister in Anguilla.. I have two sisters and a brother that live here.. P: G(A). R: And I have like six other brothers that live different places in St. Kitts. P: I see. OK, so that(s the only one who lives off the island in U(I). R: Anguilla. P: Anguilla. I see. Do you enjoy traveling? R: Yes. P: G(A). But you(ve never been to the States? R: No. P: Or Jamaica? R: No. P: OK. Now tell me about some of the games you played when you were a child. R: Net ball, skip rope. jump rope. P: Yeah. R:Marble. P: All right. R: Cricket. P: What(s that? [misunderstanding] R: Cricket. P: Oh, cricket. What kind of cricket did you play. R: Some. P: You didn(t play wind ball; cricket. R: Yeah, windball. P: And you played it with a lawn tennis ball. R: Yes. P: OK, all right. I was going to ask you something else. Oh, when you skipped rope, did you say things? Do yo remember any of the things you(d recite when you were jumping rope? R: U(H). P: Just go ahead and talk this is perfectly, I(m not going to use this for anything, except to characterize your speech. Nothing personal R: Oh. Well, it was for sports day. P: G(A). R: I mean it was a game, finally. So I was, like, I got to do it; I got to do it.. U(L). P: G(A). Yeah, OK. So you just skipped rope because you had to? R: No,. To get me whole school points. P: G(A). I see. U(F). Can you describe windball cricket to me, how they play it? . R: [in aud] Like somebody got ball; somebody got bat, right. P: Yeah. R: And you(re going to run, like you(re going to try to run, and if the ball go far. P: Yeah. R: If it go far. P: G(A). R: If you catch it, you out. P: OK. All right. Now that(s cricket? Or is that bat ball.. R: Bat and ball. P: Bat and ball. How about playing crickey? How do you play cricket?. R: You got to ask my sister (be)cause she(s U(I(. P: No, I want what you know about it. R: U(L). Me no watch ball much. Me no follow it. P: G(A). OK. Did you play any line games? Or ring games? R: G(Q)? P: People would line up, like tug of war. R: Yeah, did it at school. P: Did what? R: Pull, pull tug of war. P: Did that, G(Q)? OK. U(F). Did they ever talk about jumbies when you were a child? Tell me what you know about jumbies. R: Way, up in the mountains. P: G(A). What(s a jumbie? R: Me no [inaud] a jumbie. P: G(Q)? R: A spirit. P: G(A). OK. What did they used to say about them? R: Me no [inaud] a jumbie. P: G(A). A jumbie. R: Jumbie, them call them. P: What? R They think jumbie real. P: Do you think so? R: I think so. P: OK. You think jumbies are real. What do they do. R: Appear. P: G(A). R: Like a time, when I was small, I see my auntie. P: G(A). R: About ten. P: Is that right. R: Yeah. P: Where were you at that time? R: U(H). P: Were you in bed. R: Yeah. P: And that was at night. R:G(A). P: And she appeared in your room. R: G(A). P: How did she look. R: She was in a white gown. P: G(A). A white glow. R: Gown. P: Gown, a white gown. I see. U(F) And you think of that as a jumbie? R: I think so. P: And do you think of that as a jumbie. R: I think so. P: Did you ever hear of a jumbie fire? R: Yes P: Tell me what that is.. R: Well, I hear there was one over here. And they said he thieved something. P: G(A). R: And also it just burned. P: G(A). R: Was stolen back in. P: G(A). R: I had relatives, you see, who see the actual thing. P: Is that right. R: Yeah. P: Well, tell me about it. R: Well, they say that the fire was blazing, the fire would come on stuff and blaze back again that was stolen from all over. P: G(A). R: And the bed was burning around. P: G(A). R: And it was burning the child. P: G(A). R: And up to now the house didn(t fire and it(s a board house. P: Is that right. And that(s in Conaree? R: Yes. About two years ago. P: Two years ago. I heard about that, yes. Somebody talked about that last, I was here in July. I was over near Tabernacle, and somebody said there was a jumby fire in U(H). R: Conaree. P: Conaree. How about the jack-o-lanterns? R: I(m always hear about it, but never had any experience. P: Never seen one. R: No. P: No. What have you heard about them. R: That they(re this white light. P: G(A). R: And they mostly on the beach. P: G(A). U(F). What kinds of things do you do. Right now you are not working. R: Yes. P: And you have to take care of your baby. How old is she? R: She(s three. P: Three. R: Yeah. I braid. P: Braid hair. R: Yeah. P: That looks nice. You(re good. R: U(L). P: What do you do for fun? R: Well, I like netball. I like to play netball. P: G(A). R: I like lots of good friends. P: G(A). R: Sometimes read. P: Did you say netball? Did you say? R: Netball, play netball. P: How do you play that? What kind of a game is that? R: It(s something like basketball. P: G(A). R: Yes. P: You play it with a hoop? R: Yes. P: It has a hoop. How does it differ from basketball? S: You don(t bounce it.: R: Can(t bounce it. R: Oh, I see. R: Any time you bounce it, change the ball. R: Can you run? You can(t run with it either. R: No, not with the ball. P: Can(t run, can(t bounce it; you just pass. R: Yeah, and you can do too much stepping. Yeah. P: G(A). I see. But they play it just like basketball. R: Yeah, a little like basketball. P: G(A). And when you(re relaxing with your friends, what do you do. R: Talk about old times. P: Talk about old times. R: Yeah. P: What kinds of things? R: U(L). P: Tell me about some old time stuff, kinds of things you talked about with your friends. R: Long time story, like story. P: G(A).000 R: Spooky stories. P: OK. Tell me a spooky story. R: U(L). P: I just want to hear you talk, that(s all. R: You want to hear me. P: Yes, absolutely. R: U(L). P: It(;s not a matter of giving me the right answers to a test. That(s not what this is. I just want to hear you talk. Tell me one of those spooky stories. That would be great. R: Well, my sister was telling me, right? P: G(A). R: And this lady gets sick so she was in the hospital. P: Yeah. R: And she family was around her. P: Right. R: So she goes, tells what she going to die; when she see them. P: G(A). R: She sorry, right? P: G(A). R: He bend over to her and tell her he know because he poison her. P: U(L). That(s terrible, isn(t it. R: U(L). That(s terrible, right? P: Yeah. R: That kind, old thing stuff like that. P: Can you think of another one? That(s good. R: Like when they had the fire up there. P: Yeah. R: That was spookier. P: Yeah.. R: I couldn(t sleep for days.. P: Is that right. Were you up there? Did you see it? . R: No me see; I was working there. P: G(A). R: But when I come out, everybody talking about jumbie fire. P: Gee whiz. R: I went to see home. P: G(A). R: Burning house, not even fire. P: How far from here? R: Let me go, maybe five minutes drive. P: U(F), And the house is still standing. R: I think they had break it down. P: G(A) But only things burn were the things that were stolen? Or did everything burn. R: Everything. Like the house. P: Yeah. R: But the house. And the baby was on the bed she no burn.. P: G(A). R: And the chain. P: G: (A) R: Like they pull off . They was, pull the chain off the child neck. P: G(A). R: That she was hanging up. P: Is that right. R: Yeah. P: Gee whiz. That was scary wasn(t it. R: Yeah. P: Do you remember when you were a young child and mother used to make remedies for colds. Did she do that or did everybody use the drug store by then? R: No. Like U(I). P: Like make things with U(I). R: Bush. P: Yeah. R:Like if you have a stiff neck. P: Yeah. R: They would like put asafetida [lizard bush?], and it really work. P: Is that right? R: Yeah. P: G(A). R: And if you had a fever, they put it on and sweat it out. P: G(A). I see. Can you think of any others? R: No. If you have, like, a heartburn also. P: yeah. R: They had this special plant. P: G(A). R: And they would pour it and pull out the inflammation. P: I see. Draw it out. R: Yeah, draw it out. P: I see. But your mother would do that. You wouldn(t go to a special person. R: No, no. The mama only. Mostly [inaud]. P: G(A). They did it. I see. How about midwives? Did they have midwives? (Apparently shaking her head) R: No. Not in my time. P: No, not in your life time. So what year were you born in? R: Nineteen eighty. P: Nineteen eighty. So you were born after XXX had died. R: Yes. P: OK. R: PAM was in. P: PAM, what do you think of PAM? R: I prefer PAM. P: You prefer PAM, why? R: Because things run much easier under PAM,. And PAM help me mother.. P: G(A). OK.. How? R: OK, in them days, why me mother go in hospital. P: G(A). R: She didn(t get it free. P: Yeah. R: She had to [inaud] P: Is this for housing? R: Yes. P: They give you a better deal. R: Yes. P: But you have to pay. R: Ys, yes, have to pay. You have to pay. P: G(A). R: She had to pay. P: But I thought. And do they provide good health insurance also? R: To me, It was like much cheaper. Right now. I(m like I get my baby it was about five dollars. P: Really.. R: Just five dollars to do the thing. P: Is that right. R: Now it(s twenty-five. That(s only three years. They aint [going[ back [to the old rates] P: G(A). Twenty-five is still not much though. R: I know; I know. P: Yeah, but it(s something. Five times as much though. Absolutely. R: Yeah. P: That is bad. But are there other things that PAM does that you find. R: To me, even though PAM have a farm lady used to put people the first of the month.. P: G(A). R: Neighbor not serve. Lie bigger people. Richer people. P: G(A). R: And the poor people don(t. That(s the way I see it. P: The Labor Party is for the rich? R: Yes. P: Is that right. I didn(t know that. You don(t usually think of that. R: To me they got a lot of broken promises. P: Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that happens in politics, I guess. R: Yeah. P: U(L). Nobody keeps his promise. But I was thinking , XXX has such a great reputation. R: Me don(t know. P: What? R: I don(t know anything about XXX. P: Sure, he died before you were born. What does PAM stand for. R: People(s Action Movement. P: People(s Action Movement. And are they in power now? R: No. P: No. G(A). R: They(re the opposition. P: Didn(t they have an election last fall? R: Yeah, last year. P: Yeah. Last year, I was here in the summer, and there were a lot of signs up. R: OK. P: What(s the prime minister(s name? R: Denzel. P: G(Q)? R: Denzel XXX. P: Yeah. Dougie U(L). R: Dougie. P: You don(t like him, G(Q)? R: You like him? R: I don(t know him. I know nothing about him. The only person I(ve heard a lot about is XXX, you know. I don(t know anything about current politics. R: OK. P: U(F). Did you go to the carnival? R: Yes. I went to a couple a shows. P: Tell me about it. R: Too many standards up. A lot of people don(t like speaking. P: G(A). R: All they have about eight girls for the queen show.. P: Is that right. R: The pageant. P: Miss St. Kits, yeah. R: G(A). P: Well, tell me about the things they did do at the carnival. R: You mean shows? P: Yeah. What did happen. R: Well, they had masquerade on the street. They have different shows, calypso shows, queen show, and a Caribbean show with girls come from different countries. And they had maybe jubie [jubilee] up there. P: What was that? R: The jouves. You know, it(s on early in the morning. P: Yeah. R: To jam. P: Oh, I see. You call that a jouves? That(s great. R: G(A). P: What time. R: They going on till three or four. P: Oh, this is going on from the evening before. R: Yes, yes. P: They don(t get up at three o(clock or four; they keep going. R: Some people go back. P: Where do they do this? R: Where? P: Where in St. Kitts? R: In town. P: But where? R: In like U(I). P: In the circus? R: Yeah, and around and around.the street like. P: Yeah. R:.Fort Street and Church Street. P: Yeah. R: They go around. P: Right. I see. Is most of activities centered there? They don(t have a procession anymore where they would walk and like march great distances with these people in costumes and jumbies and the U(I). R: Well, they have the troupes like U(I). P: G(A). R: The have them there. P: Mummies., yeah. R: They have the macajumbies, masquerades. That happen New Year(s Day, day after New Year(s Day; you don(t se it after that... P: G(A). R: And in the afternoon. P: G(A). R: That was the [inaud]. And they have a bull too. P: G(A). Bull, David and Goliath. R: Them kind of stuff. P: And what about the mummies? R: I don(t see much of them now. P: G(A). But they used to march around, didn(t they? In fact, at one time I heard they used to go aound the whole island. R: It(s true? P: You never heard of that? R: No. P: No, OK. U(F) Well, tell me what did you do at the carnival, the two nights you went.. R: Well, I went to the shows and I went U(I). P: Which shows did you see? R: Miss St. Kitts and Miss Caribbean. P: OK. R: And I went to [inaud] to watch the parade. P: G(A). R: I went to jouves. P: OK. That(s great. Now how do you spell that. R: Jouvert? J-O-U-V-E-R-T. That(s a French word. P: OK. R: Just one word for jouvert, E-R-T. P: And that(s the jamming session. R: Jouvert. P: The early morning jamming session. R: Jouvert. P: I got you. U(F). Tell me what(s involved in the Miss St. Kitts competition. R: Like you have a swimwear. P: Yeah. R: The evening wear. P: Yeah. R: Talent. P: What kind of talent do they do? R: Well, some people like to do the steel pan. P: G(A). R: Some like culture, steel pan, maybe they were jamming type thing. P: G(A). R: Different stuff. P: How were they? Good? R: Yeah. They was good. Some of them was good, actually. One of them, like sing, like jamming. P: G(A). R: They was good. P: Is she then going to compete in the Miss Universe contest? R: No, she going to go on to Miss Caribbean and Antigua and then go on to Miss Trinidad too. P: I see. R: I see. P: And then they pick one of them for Miss Universe or whatever it is? R: Well, St. Kitts never been in Miss Universe. P: No. R: Aint never reach that far yet. P:They could have reached it though. R: G(A). P: Because they just have one person from the islands. Is that how it goes? R: Yes, they have Miss Trinidad already. P: Yes. Who is that? R: Miss Trinidad. P: Yeah, but Trinidad and Jamaica are big places. It(s not fair. R: They big. P: I was surprised how big Trinidad was. That(s a big island. R: Their carnival is great. P: Is that right. R: Yes, the carnival is great. P: The same time? Do they have it at the same time? Same time around Christmas? R: No. P: Or is it more like Mardi Gras? In the spring. R: Me don(t know when it is. I think it February. February or March. P: Yeah. R: Yeah. P: Well, it could be U(I). R: OK [to someone(s call] P: That could be tied in with Easter, you know with Lent. R: OK. P: Fat Tuesday and Mardi Gras, you know, the day before Ash Wednesday they start they start celebrating. Oh, I forget to ask about your church. Do you go to church? R: Well, me aint a regular churchgoer, but I go to the church though. Wesleyan Church, the church down here. P: The Wesleyan Church. What is it called? The full name? Is it green? Is it painted green? R: No. P: No. That(s not. There(s a Wesleyan Churcho n this side of the island between here and Cayon that(s painted green. It(s very pretty. It(s a recently painted building. I thought that might be it. R: I don(t know. P: You don(t know. OK. Do you go to church regularly though. R: No, not too much. P: Not too much. Then let(s go back to talking about the carnival.. What(s so great that you(ve heard, tell me about the carnival at Trindad that makes it so great. R: Well, I know they have the best costumes. P: Yeah. G(A). R: And they have the best steel bands. P: G(A). R: And the troupes then. P: G(A). R: Everything they do, I believe. Set for it. P: Yea, more money. R: Yeah, more money. P: More money, more people. R: More people. P: But Miss Trinidad has won the Miss Universe? R: G(A). Miss Universe. P: I see. What about the jamming? The jouvert, tell me about that. R: Here? P: Yeah R: Well, we take it all. P: OK. Tell me why. R: Because right now the bands are here. P: G(A). R: Everybody enjoy them And a lot of people come back for carnival. P: Yeah. Right. Now what kind of bands are these? Are these calypso bands? Or they, They play a lot of calypso don(t they. R: Oh, yeah. P: Are these calypso or rock-and-roll bands or reggae bands? R: Calypso bands. P: You don(t play much reggae? R: Some of them, like they do a little bit, but mostly the calypso. P: Yeah, I see. And calypso is really more vocal, isn(t it. It has usually or is there a lot of instrumental music? Just dance music that has no words? Or is it mostly with words. R: Most of it is with words. P: G(A). R: Well. P: Do they have a whole bunch of bands playing a this? Tell me about it. R: We have New Vibes, Small Ax, then Master Strong Needle, the Boss. P: G(A). Small Ax a good band? R: Yeah, New Vibes is the best. P: G(Q)? R: Vibes. P: Vibes, OK. I boughta couple CDs yesterday. U(F) When I was here last time I got some wondeful gospel music, Soca, Soca gospel music from Jamaica, R: OK. P: And it was just really great. I couldn(t find that, but I bought a couple things from a reggae performer who is in the Bob Marley tradition and one from Africa. I just wondered if it(sessentially calypso that.they play. I s Calypso Eastern Caribbean as opened to reggae which is more Jamaican and Western Caribbean? R: Yes. P: You make that distinction? R: Yes. P: You don(t think of reggae as part of your culture? R: No. P: No. What instruments d these bands have? R: Like drums. P: Yeah. R: And guitar. P: G(A). R: Mouth organ. P: G(A). R: And like divity box [keyboard?] P: G(A). That(s really kind of like a rock and roll, I don(y mean the music, I mean it(s the same kind of instrumental and you get the same kind of instruments in blues bands and rock and roll bands. R: OK. P: Now I want to ask you a little bit about the kinds of U(I). Do you know anything about the sugar cultivation? R: No. P: You got it right there. R: Yes. See it there too. It(s sugar land. P: Is that right. It(s sugar land. Is that right. R: Yes.. P: Do you have any relatives, if any of your brothers or sisters work in the cane? R: Me mother worked in. P: Did she ever tell you anything about it? R: Well, them time, I think, I think it(s five dollars each.. She was watering plants. P: G(A). And she watered the plants. And maybe but soda down. R: Yeah, dropped soda. P: Yeah, right. So, they(re going. What(s it like when they harvest because they are going to do that pretty soon, aren(t they. R: Yes. P: What(s that like when they harvest? R: Well.. P: A lot of activity, a lot of action? R: Yes. P: Noisy? R: Well, we [0] used to it. P: G(A) R: We very close to the airport, you see. P: Oh, yeah, right. G(A). R: We close so don(t bother us. P: G(A). R: It not bother us, the cane. P: Oh, yeah. R: A lot of bugs. P: Oh, gee, do they come out. R: Yeah, they come right over into the houses. P: I see. They come out of the cane when they start. R: Cutting. Yes. They go in and cut it. P: G(A). I see. That(s interesting. So you expect that in a couple weeks? R: No, a couple a months. I think June. P: Oh, June. Yeah. R: Yeah. P: Oh, really. Not until June. R: G(A). P: That(s right. It starts in April, doesn(t it? R: April, May. Some. P: Right. It takes a couple months. R: April, May. P: That(s right. I understand. But I noticed when I flew in. I came in Sunday, And we flew in, and I was here in July and all the fields were bare and now they(re so full. : R: Yes. P: It(s beautiful. R: Yes. P: What kinds of trees do you have around here. R: Well, we have the cock and hen tree, that(s a sugar apple tree there. P: What(s it called? R: A sugar apple tree. P: Sugar apple. R( Yeah, sweet, sweet, with a lot of seeds. P: I see. What else? R: Aloe, You see the aloe. P: Aloe? R: Yes, is bitter. P: Is that A-L-O-E? Is that? R: Yes, P: They also use that for skin U(I). R: Yes ,to make creams maybe.. P: Yes, right; I know that. I(ve never seen it. R: Never seen it? P: No. R: In had one over here. P: Did you ever hear the cock and hen called anything else? R: Poinciana P: Poinciana, right, Did you ever hear it called flamboyant? R: Yes. P: What? R: G(Q)? P: Will you say that for me? R: Flamboytant. P: Yes. You(ve heard that though. R: Yeah, the flamboyant. P: G(A). R: That(s a historical tree. P: G(A). R: In St; Kitts that(s most important. P: Is that right. But the older people call it flamboyant or what?. R: Cock and hen tree, P: Yes, that(s what Carlton said he called it. R: Cock and hen tree or they call it the flamboyant or the poinciana. P: Right, right. Poinciana(s the French term. R: G(A).. P: How about grasses and weeds? Do you have a garden? R: No. Well, one summer we did, a garden. P: What did you grow in it. R: OK [to some one in the other room]. Corn, buckwheat, herbs, and tyme, different stuff. P: G(A) OK. What kinds of weeds did you have to deal with? What kind of weeds grow. Any different kinds? I(m thinking of the kinds of things your mother might have used to make medications. R: We have like lemon grass. P: G(A). R: French ticks. P: G(A). R: We have the horse [inaud]. They have a bush called chiwater [?]. I have to go. P: OK. [stop tape; she has appointment; must leave soon] P: Now, the birds. Can you tell me about the birds of St. Kitts that you are familiar with? Land birds and seabirds. R: Seabird, boobie. P: OK. R: We have like dove. We have dove. P: How about the birds, the white birds that get on the backs of animals and pick off the ticks? R: The tall one. Should I ask someone? P: No, that(s OK. Do you call them egrets? R: G(Q)? P: Egrets, R: No. P: OK. Are there any other kinds of birds that fly around the neighborhood? R: We have a lot of birds that fly around here. P: G(A). But you don(t have a name for them? R: Millen. Millen dove. P: OK. How about fish? R: We have a lot of fish. P: tell me about them, R: Mackerel P: G(A). R: Doctor fish, drum fish, the grunt. P: G(A). Any others? R: Old wife. P: Tell me about the old wife. I had that for supper last night. R: You take off the skin. P: How long are they? How big are they. R: Well, they come in different size. Some of them big. P: G(A). About a foot long or bigger. R: About this long. P: So. R: Me brother fish. P: Oh, great. Does he live a round here. R: Over in Conaree. P: Tell me about old wife, how you prepare that. R: It(s god to do. You cut off the whole skin. P: Yeah. R: Here. P: And then what? You fry it or bake it or boil it? R: You could fry it with gravy or just steam it. P: Yeah. R: It depend on how you like it. P: Are you a good cook? R: Yes P: Well, tell me what kinds of things you like to cook. R: I like a cookup, chicken with rice or swordfish. P: G(A). Tell me all the stuff that goes in a cook up. R: Pig tail, pig mouth, chicken wing, rice, season. P: What kind of seasoning do you use? R: See there. [pointing to the white bird] P: Yes, that(s the egret, but that(s not the word you use. R: No. P: Do you want to ask what that(s called? R: Cal, the white bird pick things off animals. S2: Garlands P: Garlands. OK. What kind of seasoning do you use in the cookup? R: [inaud]. P: Do you ever make goat water? R: Yes. P: Tell me how you make that. R: Just the meat, dice up, breadfruit. P: G(A). How much meat would you use? About a pound or more? R: Maybe two to three pounds. P: Three pounds of diced goat meat. R: Yeah. P: And then breadfruit. R: Breadfruit, dumpling. P: How do you prepare the breadfruit? Cut it up? R: Cut it, skin it. P: Take the skin off; cut that in pieces too. R: Yea, cut it up. P: G(A). And then the dumplings. What kind of dumplings did you make? R: Flour dough. P: G(A). Do you make those in water before or U(I)? R: Yeah, keep them separate. P: Boiling water, right. Then that comes out kind of like noodles, right? R: No. It come out, it be round. P: G(A). Oh, round, OK. R: Yes. P: U(F) Now you(ve got the goat meat, the breadfruit, and the dumplings, What else do you put in to make goat water. R: Hot pepper.. P: G(A). Yeah, R: And cloves. P: Yeah. And when you say hot pepper, do you mean liquid. R: We got them, pick them off the tree. P: Oh, like Scotch bonnets. You don(t call them that. What do you call them? R: Hot peppers. P: What color are they? R: Red and green. P: Red and green, Do you have little round orange ones? R: Yes. P: They(re so hot. OK, so you(ve got all of those things there. How much water do you put in. R: Just cover the meat. P: Cover the meat. R: Like you put the stuff over the fire. P: And how long do you cook it? R: Oh, forty-five minutes to an hour.. P: Forty-five minutes to an hour and that(s all. You don(t let it stand like for days. R: No. P: You don(t have to do that. Tell me some other things you like to cook besides cook up. You(re not crazy about goat water? R: Yeah, I like goat water. P: G(A). R: And different things, corn. You know yellow corn? P: No. R: I make that, it taste good with good with meat or fish. P: Tell me about that. R: Well, you take corn meal, dip it, and put it in boiling water [inaud] P: G(A). R: [inaud] P: Oh. I see. That(s wonderful. R: G(A). P: How long is the fish cooked. R: Maybe go fifteen minutes. P: G(A). And that(s in boiling water, not in U(I). R: G(S). Seasoning. P: All right. That sounds good.. And do you serve side dishes with that? R: Yeah, you can put a piece of sweet potato. P: OK. Anything else. Tell me another of your favorites. R: We have the old black pudding. P: Oh, yes, I have heard of that, blood pudding. R: Blood pudding. P: Tell me about that. R: It(s kind of gross. U(L). P: That(s all right. I know. I(m familiar with it. R: You take the intestines and you clean them. P: Right, R: Add the blood and flour. P: G(A), R: You put it in the intestine, tight. P: That(s like in Louisiana called boudin. R: G(A), P: Red boudin and white boudin. And the red boudin is like the blood pudding and the white boudin U(I). R: Without the blood. P: Yeah, without the blood. U(H). How do they process the blood? Do they cook that. R: I think they just freeze it. Overnight. P: Yeah. Then take it and(did you ever make that? R: Me? P: Yeah. R: I watched it. P: G(A). OK, That(s interesting. I hadn(t heard about that on St. Kitts. U(F). Oh, yes, the intestines, did you ever hear anything called chitterlings? R: No. P: Those are hog intestines, cleaned out, and then fried. And they love those in Alabama. R: G(Q)? P: In the South, yeah. Sounds horrible and they smell awful but people love them. R: G(A). P: OK. Can you tell me any of any other things you make or cook. Do you make cakes and pies? R: Yes. Macaroni pie. P: How do you make a macaroni pie? R: You get the macaroni. P: Yeah. R: You cook it to seasoning. P: Yeah. R: You can put in your onions, cheese. P: Yeah R: Sweet pepper. P: You sweeten it? R: No. The yellow cheese taste sweet. P: Oh, it(s like macaroni and cheese. R: Yes. P: Except it(s got other stuff in it. R: G(A). P: What else besides onion and cheese. R: Sweet pepper and that and black.. P: I see. R: A corn cheese [?] P: I see. That(s interesting. But you don(t make any pies, like U(I). R: Pumpkin pie. P: Yes or apple pie or cherry pie. How about cakes? Do you make any cakes? R: G(N). P: Bread? R: No. P: You don(t bake any bread? R: I bake bread. P: What do you bake? R: Bread at work.. P: Did you work in a bakery? R: Used to make home bread.: P: What kind of bread did they make? R: Normal bread. P: Like what? R: [talking to sister] P: Do you have you go. R: I going over to Marriott to sign something. P: Can you stay a few more minutes. R: How long. P: Well, let(s see. About ten minutes. You really have to leave right now? It(s only nine ten. R: On the chance. P: OK. R: It(s far. P: OK, you really got to run. Let me ask you. The last regular question. Can you name some animals for me. R: Like goat. P: Yeah, goat. R: Sheep. P: How about wild animals, monkeys. Do you hav3 monkeys around here. R: Yeah. P: I told you it would be about an hour, and it hasn(t been forty-five minutes. R: Continue it. P: Maybe I can come back later in the week. R: G(A). P: But lets do this. Count from one to fourteen. Just for your pronciation. R: Count one to fourteen? P: Yeah R: OK, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen. P: OK, now the numbere after nineteen. R: Twenty, P: And the number after sixty-nine R: Seventh. P: And the number after ninety-nine R: A hundred. P: And the number after nine hundred and ninety-nine. R: Thousand. P: OK. Another way of counting, you can say first, second. R: Third. P: Just start at the beginning there up to ten.. R First, second, third, fourth,. fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth. P: Two other things, but louder, if you you will, the days of the week and the months of the year. R: U(L). Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. P: OK. Now the months of the year. R: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December. P: Thank you. That(s it.. R: U(L). P: Thanks a lot. . 43